The Other Tragedy Of Hurricane Harvey
[guest post by Dana]
The floods in Texas continue to ravage the land and its residents:
Beaumont police say a woman has died after she and her young daughter were swept into a rain-swollen drainage canal while trying to escape their stalled vehicle.
A police statement said the woman pulled her vehicle into a theater parking lot about 3:35 p.m. Tuesday, where it became stalled by high water. The woman then took her daughter, exited the car and was swept about a half-mile away.
Two Beaumont police officers and two fire-rescue divers in a rubber boat spotted the mother floating with the child, who was holding onto her mother. Officers pulled the child and the mother into the boat.
The little girl was suffering from hypothermia, and efforts to revive her mother failed.
This tragedy is just one of many that have occurred since Harvey made landfall. At least 37 deaths related to Hurricane Harvey have been reported.
But in the midst of the tragedies, lives have been saved through some incredible acts of kindness, generosity, goodwill, and heroism from ordinary people compelled by an extraordinary sense of duty to help their neighbors. The people of Texas (and Louisiana), have evidenced a strength and determination that is nothing less than inspiring.
And yet, members of the mainstream media just don’t seem to get it. They can’t. They are unable to comprehend the selfless, do-for-your neighbor nature of Texas. This willingness to lay down one’s life for a fellow man is unfamiliar and foreign. To them, Texas, and places like it, remain little more than mock-worthy Hicksvilles, populated by the unwashed, the uneducated, the uncouth, Confederates, God-nutters, crazy cowboys and yokels. Politico aptly summed up this narrow-minded bigotry:
The cartoon was removed by Politico right after it went up. Responding to the backlash, cartoonist Matt Wuerker tweeted:
Look, here’s what I think: It is a pathetic people that choose to use their media platforms to politicize a natural disaster while people are still fighting for their lives, and fighting to save the lives of their neighbors. It is a self-consumed, small and petty people who exploit a natural disaster just to squawk like imbeciles about the shoes the First Lady wore to visit ravaged Texas. And it is an even more pathetic people that make the decisions to publish articles and cartoons like these during such a harrowing time. And here’s what I say to that collective of emotionally stunted ghouls: There are 37 families reeling from shock as the full weight of Hurricane Harvey falls upon them and they realize that their lives will never, ever be the same again. This particular flood of sorrow will never leave them, even though time will eventually smooth its raw edges. And it is those precious neighbors, those Texans, that will keep them from drowning.
(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)
–Dana
ADDED: Commenter Beldar, who lives in Houston, points us to his own heartfelt post about the many heroes coming to the aid of their neighbors – whether they know them or not, whether they even live in the same town or not. Because to this breed of people, matters like inconvenience and uphill climbs aren’t that important. It may, in fact, compel them even more because someone, somewhere is counting on them and those like them. Counting on heroes like Beldar’s niece’s husband, David:
Beldar writes:
David (white shirt & reversed ball cap) looks like a Navy SEAL, but he’s actually a broker and financial advisor in his day job, a devoted husband & family man, and a leader in his hometown community and his church. He and a friend hitched up their boat and drove down from Palestine to help in the rescue efforts. No one told them to, or asked them to. They aren’t being paid or reimbursed. They don’t have FEMA name tags or a Coast Guard helicopter. But they just couldn’t not do it — like so many of the others who’re volunteering in these relief efforts.
In this photo, they’re using their boat to transport a flooded-out family to safety, but part of that process requires negotiating some shallow standing water by foot — a scene repeated hundreds of times in dozens of places all over the Houston area today. And they’re not just grimly toiling, but rather, they’re deliberately doing their very best to lighten the mood, to find some humor, and to celebrate these kiddos’ “first-ever boat rides! Whee!” so that perhaps these kids can someday remember the Hurricane Harvey rescue they needed as something that was noble and redeeming, instead of something unrelievedly sad and tragic.
I could strip my FB feed for probably twenty other photos like this of Texans I personally know and love, ordinary people, who’re doing exactly this kind of thing, but whom you won’t see on TV. But this one magnificent photo will suffice to make my point, I think.
I agree.
Goddam ghouls.
Dana (023079) — 8/31/2017 @ 12:53 pmHeart wrenching.
felipe (023cc9) — 8/31/2017 @ 1:03 pmi don’t like this plan where we shelter in place and then haphazardly rescue people
next time you need to do better Houston
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 1:21 pmActually, I don’t see one hell of a lot to object to in that cartoon. Oh, it would be better if the guy bing rescued had answered “That’s what I said”, but in an era a tad less irritable about media bias, it wouldn’t have struck a nerve.
And that’s the thing. The media have worn out all of their benefit of the doubt. They’ve kept protesting “but we’re neutral!” over obvious bias for so long that the works no longer buys them any slack, even when maybe it should. And they don’t get it. They don’t see that their problem reaches waaaaay back, and that they are in a deep hole. They would be astonished to be told that they are being dinged now (at least in part) for bias they showed way back in the Nixon administration.
Their only way out would be to admit bias, and that unbiased news is impossible.
In a sense Fox is as guilty as any of the rest. Their should have picked “You’ve seen their side, now here’s ours.” for a motto.
C. S. P. Schofield (99bd37) — 8/31/2017 @ 1:23 pmYou can’t be too cynical about people who want to keep the Gubmint out of Social Security.
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 1:29 pmLet me tell you a thing or two about Texas and it’s concern for their naive citizenry…
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 1:34 pmhttp://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/texas-republicans-helped-chemical-plant-exploded-lobby-against-safety-rules
In fact the person shown in the cartoon is right.
I thought it was a Jewish story. There are different versions of this.
I don’t know who first said this story but his has apparently made the rounds. I found a Catholic version on You Tube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQiZLjP3iRc
See here also: (From the television show “The West Wing”)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0745683/quotes
Here’s a Jewish version of this:
https://shlomif.livejournal.com/66017.html
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/31/2017 @ 1:37 pmDana, I agree completely with your description of those Texans who are risking and giving so much to help their fellow Americans as well as concur with your expression of hope and faith for those families who have lost so much.
That Matt Wuerker clown is a typical leftist pig. Matt, either help Make America Great Again or go to Canada. We don’t need more antifa’s. BTW Matt, what have YOU done to help the people of Texas? Nothing, I’m sure. Just like the rest of the millionaire leftists who have plenty of time to take from America and complain about America but very little time or effort to help anyone but themselves.
Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 8/31/2017 @ 1:39 pmDana, thank you for this post. Take a look at my latest post at my own shop, Harvey has created untold heroes from ordinary people responding magnificently, and consider whether you might want to add, as an update to your post, the photo there of my nephew-in-law (which my niece posted on FB and authorized me to redistribute). Everyone I know who’s seen this photo has been cheered by it, and it makes me “fit-to-bust” proud, so I’d love to see it get some wider consideration.
Beldar (fa637a) — 8/31/2017 @ 1:41 pmThis was predicted, but the company said it was unable to prevent it and warned people who lived nearby to evacuate:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/08/31/harveys-wrath-moves-across-the-louisiana-texas-border-as-water-recedes-in-houston/
A web site blames Republicans for listening to the company and preventing some kind of regulations:
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/texas-republicans-helped-chemical-plant-exploded-lobby-against-safety-rules
No analysis here of whether any particular regulation that didn’t get imposed would have prevented this.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/31/2017 @ 1:42 pmSheriff Clarke has resigned?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 1:44 pmhe Milwaukee County Clerk tells CBS 58 they received a resignation for Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke Thursday afternoon at 3:17 p.m. The resignation is effective immediately.
Sheriff Clarke tweeted Thursday afternoon saying he was in Nashville.
According to 1130 WISN Radio, Clarke is taking a non-government position.
Governor Walker will name the new sheriff until the election in 2018.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 1:45 pm*The* Milwaukee County Clerk i mean
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 1:46 pmEvery time a political cartoonist gets laid off an angel gets it’s wings.
Pinandpuller (9c445e) — 8/31/2017 @ 1:48 pmI heard the Houston metro area voted Hillary in about the same ratio as NJ.
If you look at an election map by county the Houston area is blue surrounded by red.
So cretins like this toonist not only are snarkily vindictive, they’re also ignorant.
harkin (a92711) — 8/31/2017 @ 1:56 pmBeldar! Excellent!
Keep us honest.
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 2:00 pmMeh.
Pretty tame cartoon, Dana. Stereotypical, too– and frankly, not particularly creative. Texans are supposed to be made of sterner stuff than be ruffled by a little Politico pen and ink anyway. OTOH, the Charlie Hebdo cover is much more disturbing. And much darker ‘humor’- particularly in light of their recent history. For it’s a revealing window on how another part of the outside world sees this:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/31/french-magazine-charlie-hebdo-mocks-harvey-victims-as-neo-nazis.html
And they’re supposed to be an ‘ally.’ Something to think about.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 2:04 pm@16. What? No $40 hats?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 2:05 pmDC: I’ve been dreading the local response to Hebdo as they don’t like pie from a former hero in their face. They take it poorly, as the fickle are prone to.
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 2:07 pmHe’s a treasure. Show some respect.
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 2:08 pm@20. And clean, too.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 2:10 pmMemo to Wuerker.
Politico 101: if you’re explaining- you’re losing.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 2:17 pm@19. Ben, what’s to say… Ooo-la-la!!! Vive la ‘Prance’ 2,3,4.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 2:34 pmAren’t you using this as a political platform yourself there Dana? It looks like you have taken that bait and joined in the fray, not matter which side you’re on, you’re still making political fodder of it by this very post. Are you carrying a sign in public that says “DOWN WITH PROTESTS!” too?
Tillman (a95660) — 8/31/2017 @ 2:45 pmBack when a bunch of Charlie Hebdo cartoonists got gunned down by a couple of Arabs, I thought it was deserved comeuppance and good riddance, and only felt sorry for two cops that got caught in the line of fire. Charlie Hebdo is an enemy of humanity and it is as pointless to attempt to shame it as it would be to attempt to shame malaria mosquitoes. Just bring out the DDT.
nk (dbc370) — 8/31/2017 @ 3:00 pmAhhhh, the perception of ‘leadership.’
Compare today’s Pence presser in Corpus Christi’s to Trump’s.
There’s the Veep; the Mike at the mike, standing up straight, feet on the ground, hands on hips, broad-shouldered, rolled up sleeves in his jeans w/a ‘ready-for-action’ delivery in front of Marine ‘Osprey’ on a tarmac. And white hair.
Trump fidgeted for FEMA then fluttered a flag in his $40 white hat.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 3:02 pmIt’s a great post, Tillman. But if you think standing up for kindness, charity, and heroism is taking sides, then I’m sure conservatives will be glad to embrace those values of the liberals don’t want them.
DRJ (15874d) — 8/31/2017 @ 3:09 pm“… [M]embers of the mainstream media just don’t seem to get it. They can’t. They are unable to comprehend the selfless, do-for-your neighbor nature of Texas. ”
Ahem.
Tillman (a95660) — 8/31/2017 @ 3:09 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/08/31/monster-truck-rescue-hurricane-cooper-intv-ac.cnn
DRJ, getting help from everyone else is great. But I seriously doubt that you want the government to stop helping. Both are needed in catastrophes such as this, you have to admit.
Tillman (a95660) — 8/31/2017 @ 3:17 pmThe one thing you don’t want is for government to STOP private people from helping, as was the case with Katrina.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/31/2017 @ 3:18 pm@Tillman:But I seriously doubt that you want the government to stop helping.
Fallacy of the excluded middle.
Frederick (64d4e1) — 8/31/2017 @ 3:25 pmThe lingering tragedy of hurricane Sandy –
mg (31009b) — 8/31/2017 @ 3:27 pmhttp://www.politisite.com/2013/01/02/hurricane-sandy-pork-what-is-in-the-60-4b-sandy-relief-package/
Limited government != no government
“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”
Frederick (64d4e1) — 8/31/2017 @ 3:28 pmFrederick that makes no sense to me. Either you get help or you don’t.
Tillman (a95660) — 8/31/2017 @ 3:33 pmThe bailey: Government should people in war, plagues, revolutions.
The motte: Government should pay for our medical bills, regulate our hairdressers and housepainters, etc etc.
So tiresome. So transparent.
If anarchists, secessionists, libertarians, and conservatives all believed the same things, there’d not be four different words.
Frederick (64d4e1) — 8/31/2017 @ 3:35 pm@Tillman: You’re running motte-and-bailey. We’re not twelve.
We’re all arguing about where to draw the line. There are maybe 500 people in this country who actually think that the government should never do anything for anyone.
The question, as always, is what is the necessary and proper sphere of government help.
Frederick (64d4e1) — 8/31/2017 @ 3:37 pmWe have a Constitution that defines that however the legislature and the courts along with the lawyers which inhabit them don’t seem to obey it any longer and just keep making sh!t up.
Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 8/31/2017 @ 3:51 pmBuck Sexton? ‘…narrow minded bigotry’?? Seriously???
“Sexton has served as a fill-in host on the three largest nationwide conservative radio talk shows, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck.” ‘Nuff said, Fred.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqEHtZHlsf0
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 4:01 pmHurricane Irma now Category 3 storm, forecast to be ‘extremely dangerous’
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/31/irma-rapidly-strengthens-to-category-2-hurricane-forecast-to-be-extremely-dangerous.html
Oh my.
This is just such bad karma.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 4:09 pmGreetings:
Just finished watching this evening’s Progressive (née Public) Broadcasting System’s PBS NewsHour and I’m resting comfortably in Judge Judy’s recovery room. My sense of the former was that the staff seemed rather downcast that they have not yet come upon a sellable reason for another bout of Trumpian hysteria. Pros that they are, I’m sure that they will continue in their efforts.
11B40 (6abb5c) — 8/31/2017 @ 4:16 pmin this case (meaning houston specifically) the government literally told people not to help themselves
so they sat on their ass then they sat in the soup
then they had to remediate their complacency and document said remediation on the social media
they have to better next time
and all this vapid dewy-eyed poopery doesn’t seem to be doing much to spur any meaningful reflection
thank God I’m here
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 4:38 pm“Making sh*t up” = “Reaching a conclusion that Hoagie disagrees with”
in case there was any confusion.
Leviticus (f27e53) — 8/31/2017 @ 4:40 pmA U.S. liquid gallon of water weighs about 8.34 lbs.
Texas has had roughly 15 trillion gallons dumped on it.
That’s a helluva heavy load to carry.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 4:49 pmhttps://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=redneck+army+national+guard&qpvt=redneck+army+national+guard&view=detail&mid=5A715B0B1E81FD771A745A715B0B1E81FD771A74&FORM=VRDGAR
mg (31009b) — 8/31/2017 @ 4:52 pmWell certain unique circumstances made this a more significant crisis, mostly the lack of a steering current, which allowed Harvey to dump excess rain. Now this made the original flood mitigation plan inoperative plus mayor turners inapt handling
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 4:53 pm@41. “so they sat on their ass then they sat in the soup”
Soup? Actually Mr. Feet, was struck by how much all that ‘soup’ in hue looks more like iced tea w/lemonade– aka an Arnold Palmer. If only.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 4:56 pmWuerkers of the world
Go throw yourself in The Gulf
Water quencheth ire
Pinandpuller (9c445e) — 8/31/2017 @ 4:56 pmpreparation is so key but they did not have plans ready
they were not prepared
and they have to do better next time
if they couldn’t plan and prepare for this, how on earth can we trust they know what to ask for in order to mitigate a similar disaster in the future?
it’s very troubling, especially after Katrina
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 4:57 pmi used to get me some Arnold Palmer in the carton but then Toxic Toni Taxwinkle taxed the holy hell out of it
so i got me a 5 pound bag of xylitol and a 5 pound bag of citric acid
supposedly you can use that as a base for a lot of tasty beverages what toxic toni can’t tax
i’m a do spearmints over the holiday
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:00 pm@48.preparation is so key but they did not have plans ready they were not prepared
Not prepared, Mr. Feet? Texas is loaded w/evangelicals and Bible scripture covering Great Floods coming and going. So far, they’ve done pretty good. No city could be expected to prepare for a weather event of this size and scale. But Irma is a cat 3 on the move, going for 4 and may make 5, so consider that a sign from ‘YHWH’–and the ‘NWS’— to prepare, just in case.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:07 pmsodasteam
mg (31009b) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:09 pmi thought about that but it feels so ronco
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:11 pmYou had better alert rep. king so he can work up a pork order for you cellar dwellers
mg (31009b) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:12 pmNo city could be expected to prepare for a weather event of this size and scale.
how is this helpful
this is not helpful
we have to set the bar a little higher than “no city could be expected to prepare”
they got caught with their knickers down that’s what happened
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:12 pmit tastes so good.
mg (31009b) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:14 pmno glass
no plastic no deposit
save on trash bags
@43
Not so fun fact: the specific gravity of propane is half of water so LP tanks can have positive buoyancy.
Pinandpuller (9c445e) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:16 pmJust like credence Clearwater struck after the bad mom rising of the eckipsr, so do events chronicled here:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Nahum%201
In modern times, this is where another den of demons has been routed by us forces.
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:18 pmok i will investigate
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:20 pmNot so fun fact: the specific gravity of propane is half of water so LP tanks can have positive buoyancy.
you should run for mayor
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:21 pmThat cartoonist apparently thinks that if Texans seceded, they’d be too stupid to have a Coast Guard
steveg (716a38) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:23 pm@steveg:That cartoonist apparently thinks that if Texans seceded, they’d be too stupid to have a Coast Guard
Texas has three times the population of Sweden, and three times its GDP. Sweden can afford a navy, and so could Texas.
Frederick (d9c384) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:30 pmCome to think of it, Texas’ GDP is roughly Canada’s but with 80% of the population and only a tiny fraction of its coastline, so yeah, Texas would be all right on its own, at least as well as any nation of its equivalent population and wealth.
Frederick (d9c384) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:34 pmLots of Federal handouts to the irresponsible/unprepared.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/08/29/hurricane-harvey-houston-flood-insurance-damages-claims/611910001/
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:36 pm@54. we have to set the bar a little higher than “no city could be expected to prepare”
they got caught with their knickers down that’s what happened
Harvey ballooned up to scale quite fast, Mr. Feet. They just had to wet their bloomers.
We all saw ‘Deep Impact’ — be happy Harvey and Irma ain’t named Ele.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:37 pmSorry. I meant ‘subsidies’
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:38 pmCities don’t prepare, people prepare.
nk (dbc370) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:38 pmhttps://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wet+willie+band&view=detail&mid=5330BA4536D3CEF3C6AF5330BA4536D3CEF3C6AF&FORM=VIRE
mg (31009b) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:42 pmLet Darwin bail them out.
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:45 pmIf all those Texans had has flood insurance, then the government would bailing out the insurance companies to cover the damage. Net savings to taxpayer: $0. The National Flood Insurance Program is already tens of billions from all those other times they paid people to build in floodplains.
Not really surprised to see the resident spammers in favor of crony capitalism.
Frederick (d9c384) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:46 pmHow am I doing at glibertarian compassion?
Are we using the same metrics as other similar catastrophes?
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:47 pm@30 Sammy
Too much government for grandma
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:50 pm“The National Flood Insurance Program is already tens of billions from all those other times they paid people to build in floodplains.”
In part because they use the standard health insurance gambit: don’t buy it until you need it. Voodoo econ to the 10th power multiplied by that in stoopid.
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:50 pm@37 Rev Hoagie
It’s a 200 year flood from judicial reign overrunning the banks.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 8/31/2017 @ 5:54 pm@72. Ben… remember: ‘Challenger Logic.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:02 pmCities don’t prepare, people prepare.
yes yes
but we preach that gospel all the time, and a splendid gospel it is
and being prepared’s never been easier it’s quite effortless really one simply has to be of a mind to be prepared
the mayor and others of his ilk nevertheless dropped the ball
and this is no good
i hope in the coming days a serious post-mortem will be conducted with a genuine resolve to do much better when next the angry sea slips the confines of the vast mysterious gulf to run amok in the city of Houston
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:03 pmI’m a prepper
nk (dbc370) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:07 pmHe’s a prepper
She’s a prepper.
We’re all preppers.
Wouldn’t you like to be a prepper, too?
there we go you’ve got the spirit of it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:09 pmChallenger logic…like Jumbo shrimp?
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:14 pm@75. Cities don’t prepare, people prepare.
yes yes
no no;
City: Middle English- from Old French cite, from Latin civitas, from civis ‘citizen.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:14 pmI see the usual suspects showing their asses in this thread.
SPQR (a3a747) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:15 pmYou can call government spending anything you like: insurance, investment, relief, welfare, whatever but it’s same money from the same source.
National Flood Insurance is no more “insurance” than any other government program is. No insurance company can offer flood insurance at any premium people are willing to pay. Because floods are not an insurable risk. They happen over and over again in the same place. We call those places “flood plains” and they are clearly marked on maps.
Frederick (d9c384) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:16 pm@78. Ben… at NASA it’s called ‘Challenger Logic.’
FEYNMAN’S OWN FINDINGS: THEY ‘FOOLED THEMSELVES’
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/06/11/us/feynman-s-own-findings-they-fooled-themselves.html
Pass the hot sauce.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:22 pmThomas Hobbes didn’t have insurance or subsidies or welfare and his people did just fine.
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:22 pm@DCSCA: If you don’t build a Challenger, it can’t blow up. If you don’t build in a flood plain, flood insurance might be an insurable risk. But for people who build in flood plains, it isn’t insurable. Hence the National Flood Insurance Program, which is money from the taxpayer put into the coffers of insurance companies to pay people to keep building in flood plains.
Frederick (d9c384) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:25 pmFull baboon, spqr events like this should occasion reflection on how small our place on this planet is, and our presumption to dominate it like the tsunami six years ago.
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:26 pm“He was particularly critical of the space agency’s method for calculating the probability of catastrophes. In the commission’s public hearings, Judson A. Lovingood, the deputy manager for shuttle projects at the Marshall Space Flight Center, who has since been reassigned, testified that the probability of catastrophic failure of the solid-fuel booster rockets was one in 100,000.”
Ach! The perfect metaphor, DC. Odds like Vegas with the probabilities of catastrophe create jobs and build small businesses with tons of cheap cash for every Schuster and conman in the Breadbelt. Huzzahhhh!!
Texas will be the showcase for our free infrastructure fantasies.
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:29 pm@80. Yes. You have:
“Bloomberg has always been a clown. From his ludicrous “health” regs to his criminal actions in illegal strawman gun buys, he’s a nut. Why New Yorkers are so stupid to perennially elect idiot mayors ….
SPQR (7f0329) — 11/2/2012 @ 3:49 pm”
Ahh, sweet memories of ‘Frankenstorm,’ 2012.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:30 pm@DCSCA:“the solid-fuel booster rockets was one in 100,000.”
If the Challenger had a 1/10 chance of blowing up, the National Challenger Insurance Program would charge NASA a premium that assumed a 1 in 100,000 chance of blowing up, and stick the taxpayer for the difference, to the benefit of the insurer.
This is what you are defending. You know better, and don’t care.
Paying people to build in flood plains does not become sound finance by calling it “insurance” and billing the tax payer.
Frederick (d9c384) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:32 pmStories of heroism, selflessness and people taking care of their brothers and sisters are inspiring. They’ll trump the Hate and Provincialism of coastal liberals and their media operatives every time.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:35 pm@86/@78. Ben, postscript to #82: see #84… and meet the new ‘Larry Malloy.’
Mmmm. More hot sauce, please!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:36 pmDo you really want to enable derelict, uninsured homeowner/businessmen to get OPM because they won’t take accountability for their failure to secure their own finances?
(Heard elsewhere in a discussion of Sandy relief)
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:37 pm@86. Oh, and see #88, too. Malloy’s crankin’ it out.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:37 pmMaybe we can do for Texas what we did for Iraq.
Ben burn (426255) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:43 pmAnd sandy was a. mild weather event like what we we t through last fall, what happens in a 38 type storm.
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:43 pmContent-free trollery and lies from our resident spammers, boring. If it weren’t $30 billion confiscated from taxpayers to line the pockets of government cronies, it would also be hilarious.
Frederick (d9c384) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:47 pm“Not an insurable risk” != “floods are too unlikely to insure against”, and no amount of lies, snark and trolling will make the statements equivalent.
Our resident spammers remind me of Johnny Cochrane’s Chewbacca defense, with allusions to the Challenger.
Frederick (d9c384) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:49 pmI’ve updated the post with a lovely photo and story about it from commenter Beldar.
Dana (023079) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:54 pmAren’t you using this as a political platform yourself there Dana? It looks like you have taken that bait and joined in the fray, not matter which side you’re on, you’re still making political fodder of it by this very post. Are you carrying a sign in public that says “DOWN WITH PROTESTS!” too?
Tillman (a95660) — 8/31/2017 @ 2:45 pm
No, Tillman, I’m not. Thanks for playing.
Dana (023079) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:56 pmDisco duck and Benn are jackasdes:
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:56 pmhttps://m.facebook.com/charliediggs/posts/10210276784340728
@93. Ben- We could go w/’Columbia Logic’ but the “how-can-a-light-piece-of-foam-possibly-punch-a-hole-in-piece-of-RCC would be over their heads– by about 100,000 ft.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:58 pm@49 happyfeet
A long time ago I worked at A&W. One of my jobs was to go down in the creepy basement and make the root beer.
My primary tool was a huge steel pot. I would swear that it had a 30 gallon capacity at a minimum.
I would dump in three 50lb bags of sugar, probably six or eight half-gallons of concentrate (sweet in it’s own right like a root beer Dum Dum) and the balance water.
My second tool was a canoe paddle. I would stir it for a long time. I would then fill these stainless steel containers. I don’t remember what they are called but if you’ve ever been to a ball game you see them under the concessions counter. I had to haul them back upstairs along with a lot of ice in five gallon buckets.
One other behind the scenes is we would make the shells for the taco salads by dropping a tortilla in the hot oil and push it down with a coffee can to scallop it nicely.
And we would microwave the burgers for 30 seconds for some reason. I’m not a fan of that.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 8/31/2017 @ 7:00 pmThat doesn’t seem timmakr sensewhy nit cook the burgers in the samecdelivpberate way
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 7:07 pmthat sounds like a lovely flannery oconnor story really
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 7:08 pm@93. Ben– we are. FEMA will be occupying Texas for the forseeable future.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 7:09 pmthere’s so much work to be done
everybody should try to get a good night’s sleep
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 7:11 pm@82 DC
NASA. Isn’t that the place you worked with an OEM SS Capital N Nazi?
Why didn’t you find it in your heart to quit on principal? Were they about Nazi outreach in the old days?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 8/31/2017 @ 7:38 pmAnd maybe Hillary, Bill and Chelsea can have their so-called Clinton Foundation do for Texas what they and it did for Haiti. I’m sure the mega-rich Clintons are doing all they can to help. Just like you, Ben.
Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 8/31/2017 @ 7:47 pmAnd Nigeria, march ricjs asdiciates strip mined that country, and the partial result was book harm.
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 7:48 pmThe gas shortage out here in Austin went from kinda annoying to absolutely ridiculous. I passed ten gas stations today with lines around the corner like we were in the 1970s. Of course, it’s one of those situations where the people afraid of a shortage created it, and now anyone who needs fuel is going to have to grab it as soon as it shows up. All the local radio stations are asking people to chill, but that seems to have escalated the Tragedy of the Commons situation. I hope it smooths out in a week.
True. A lot of good down there.
Honestly, the coastal folks who hate us so much clearly don’t have our interests at heart, and I don’t see why secession would be a bad thing. It’s time to make the USA into two distinct nations, peacefully with plenty of treaties for mutual aid and defense, but different governments. They don’t have to be geographically continuous. The coasts, Illinois, Hawaii can be Obamaland, and the rest can be Great America Again Land. One can have its high taxes and regs, the other can have jobs. I bet both would be successful enough, and people could go where they are happier. The USA is simply too huge and too separated from each individual’s interests to represent us without great frustration for many, and that’s pointless.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 8/31/2017 @ 7:53 pm@DCSCA: but the “how-can-a-light-piece-of-foam-possibly-punch-a-hole-in-piece-of-RCC would be over their heads
No, it would be irrelevant. Floods are too likely, not too unlikely, you see. That’s why they’re not insurable. That’s why the government has been losing tens of billions on it.
But you and your Wookie are just going to keep lying and pooping up the thread until it’s just the two of you, regardless. No doubt that’s your intention.
Frederick (d9c384) — 8/31/2017 @ 7:57 pmnarciso
The burgers went from the grill to a bun plus whatever else then it went in the microwave for 30 seconds. Sorry I was unclear.
I, a genuine white boy, also worked for real (probably legal) Mexicans in a real (definitely legit) Mexican restaurant.
Do you want to know how they make the corn chips?
Get a real sharp 8″ knife. Get a stack of real 6″ (maybe 8″) corn tortillas (masa harina) and cut the stack in eighths. Dump the resulting chip shaped tortilla bits in hot oil.
Do I need to explain frying things in oil to (mostly) white people?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:05 pmYou lrgt out that middle step, independence movements are rarely neat consider the indoor Pakistani partition one q947
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:11 pmthere will be no secession what there will be is a resolve to do better
to apply the dark arts of engineering to these problems what stand revealed for the whole whirl to gawk at
NOT in pursuit of perfection but to improve our good city such that it is more resilient in future
such that it is in some measure safer and more sheltering in a storm
this is what we will do
and we will learn
and we will plan
no more of this degenerate complacency
no more sitting in the soup
it’s unseemly
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:13 pmA little joke for Steve57.
It’s raining so hard in Nashville, every time I come inside I have to ask,”Permission to come aboard?”
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:16 pmThis fellow made his debut in a hurricane:
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:17 pmhttps://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/08/31/dan_rather_hurricane_vladimir_is_approaching_category_four_for_trump_presidency.html
Tornado sirens were sounding in Nashville today. DC said if a tornado wipes out a confederate monument he’s going to get baptized in the Passaic River.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:19 pmAnother joke:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-f6pobu1ptVQ/WadgnWvyFBI/AAAAAAABMgU/PPDOeQ-AYqYxwN3f2CWDo8cLvL7AJE83gCLcBGAs/s1600/1%2B1%2B1%2BrEGm7sC.jpg
Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:21 pmInteresting times
http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=3037855q
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:22 pm115
kishnevi (d7d2b1) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:22 pmThe man who set the standard for Fake News.
That Korea link seems to be a bad link.
kishnevi (d7d2b1) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:24 pmI’m not getting the metaphor:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ABC/status/903322270634045445
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:25 pm@86. Ben, they go ’round and ’round:
“Circular Reasoning
“Safety assessments were based on circular reasoning, according to Dr. Feynman. The fact that the shuttle flew many times without failure was accepted as an argument that it would fly safely again. ”Because of this reasoning,” he said, ”obvious weaknesses were accepted again and again.'”
Exhibit A: @110. Floods are too likely, not too unlikely, you see.
6.1 A HISTORY OF FOAM ANOMALIES
‘The shedding of External Tank foam – the physical cause of the Columbia accident – had a long history. Damage caused by debris has occurred on every Space Shuttle flight, and most missions have had insulating foam shed during ascent.’ – CAIB Report, 8/2003
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:29 pm104, the “M” of the 2005 New Orleans alternate acronym of FEMA is well accounted for in Texas, just dont let it become FESA.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:30 pmApollo one was 19 years apart, Columbia was 16 years from challenger, why did we stop?
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:37 pmI bet a lot of Americans really don’t want to be part of Trump’s America at all, just as many didn’t want to be part of Obama’s.
You say we’ll ‘resolve to do better’. Well of course, but we don’t actually do better. We’ll just resolve to talk about it over and over. The federal legislative process doesn’t work. Why should so many people have a government they don’t want, when we could just have two and have some relative democracy about things.
There’s great fear in the left and the coasts that their nations would fail, but that’s not the case. European nations do fine. The coasts have so much education, arts, pop culture, that they would do great, perhaps better than they are doing now. And the flyovers would thrive. I really do think everyone would win.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:38 pmthat defies all decency what you said Mr. Dustin
we did it once this evil business of secession
and we’ve come through it and yet we still walk in the shadow of that great and hellish cataclysm
you would do well to remember that
we all would
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:49 pm@124. Stop? That would be news to the ISS crews.
Today it’s a marathon, not a sprint.
NASA MANAGERS: SLS/ORION ON TRACK FOR FALL 2018 LAUNCH
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/nasa-managers-sls-orion-on-track-for-2018-launch/
Marcia knows her stuff quite rightly.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:51 pmYou live UN Austin, right, as does a friend of mine, that would be the danzig corridor in that split.
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:52 pmWe stopped our own manned space program for at least a decade and were going back with 70s technology, were relying with Russian boosters out of baikonur.
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 8:54 pm@129. And we still use the wheel, too.
Once had a discussion about this very topic w/t late Gene Cernan years ago, narciso. Stop-start and ‘gaps’ are the American way and he was not keen on them– especially the one between shuttle and Orion- and said so for years until his passing. Russians find something that works, and work it. When it came to Soyuz, he kept saying, ‘They are there, we are not.’ It’s a lesser machine yet engineered to compete w/Apollo, but was economical enough to stamp out for decades to today– like a VW Beetle. It may be ugly, but it gets people ‘there.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2017 @ 9:08 pmSan Diego might be the Pacific access for the inland republic, and Dade/Broward the East Prussia for the coastals.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 8/31/2017 @ 9:18 pmConceivable there is a similar dynamic with brexit. With the city vs the mifpdlands, but even within Houston, there are red queen supporters and obviously deplorables
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 9:22 pmFood for thought:
narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 9:32 pmhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4841540/Hurricane-Katrina-commander-shames-military-Harvey.html
after eight years of food stamp the military’s not what it was
and remember… Houston’s a port city
there’s countless cargo ships bobbing about these water like mines just waiting to ensnare the unwary military vessel
it’s God’s grace alone there hasn’t been an incident yet
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 9:40 pmoops these *waters* i mean
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2017 @ 9:40 pmhttps://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/08/31/comey-began-drafting-emailgate-exoneration-statement-interviewing-17-key-witnesses-including-clinton/
mg (31009b) — 9/1/2017 @ 2:17 am. Hang Comey by his sack and hand him a razor blade. Or waterboard the booger.
The fbi needs to be shut down. D.C. is where criminals go to screw Americans. Wake the —- up America.
mg (31009b) — 9/1/2017 @ 3:13 am133, some DNC hacks just gizzed their pants with that report. “Sorry Kamala, you never wore camo.”
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 9/1/2017 @ 4:18 am.
felipe (b5e0f4) — 9/1/2017 @ 5:09 amFelipe, I thought you were setting up for the “whats the frequency, Kenneth? ” beatdown.
urbanleftbehind (329aa2) — 9/1/2017 @ 6:01 amMoloch minions were not amused
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/31/david-daleiden-attorneys-fined-planned-parenthood-
And a scalp for fusion gps
narciso (d1f714) — 9/1/2017 @ 6:03 am122. “Safety assessments were based on circular reasoning, according to Dr. Feynman. The fact that the shuttle flew many times without failure was accepted as an argument that it would fly safely again. ”Because of this reasoning,” he said, ”obvious weaknesses were accepted again and again.’
That’s not bad reasoning. It’s classic Bayesian analysis.
The problem with that is, first, the probability was not 0%, and also that some people probably knew when it was unsafe, but it was not made into a rule, and they retired, or that they gradually dropped extra safety precautions and redundancies , so that actually the probability of a catastrophic failure rose with time.
Just like with the U.S. Navy now.
Sammy Finkelman (7cb40e) — 9/1/2017 @ 6:44 am86.
Actually, it was about 1 in 25 – 4%.And had probably been rising
Sammy Finkelman (7cb40e) — 9/1/2017 @ 6:49 am@146 Actually, it was about 1 in 25 – 4%.And had probably been rising
Um hum – let’s take that as accurate. With probabilities rising considerably, as the temperature was falling to and below freezing. I don’t recall if any analysis was done (by Feynman or others) as to what the actual probability was of catastrophic failure of an O ring was, at the launch temps. It wouldn’t surprise me if it were 1 in 3, though it turned out that it was 1 in 1. Garbage in, garbage out.
Q! (267694) — 9/1/2017 @ 7:07 amEnso will schneiderman investigate himself:
narciso (d1f714) — 9/1/2017 @ 7:08 amhttp://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/eric-schneiderman-receives-big-bucks-hydrofracking-investor-blog-entry-1.1993493
whoops. correct to: @143, above.
Q! (267694) — 9/1/2017 @ 7:08 amFor a palate cleanser, compare Texans with the sort of “people” the SF Bay Area abounds with. Quite enlightening… http://www.weeklystandard.com/a-beating-in-berkeley/article/2009498
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/1/2017 @ 7:16 am@147 – I don’t expect that my read of the article was wholly congruent with yours, ‘ku, but much obliged for the reference and the read.
Q! (267694) — 9/1/2017 @ 7:45 amThat’s wonderful, Colonel. Now they’re beating up Asians too.
http://moonbattery.com/graphics/confederate-doll.jpg
Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 9/1/2017 @ 8:08 amThen there’s these guys.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e87d3e5cb697cf0c652a256f35a7c14e7cf472779570a57ca15c47aa4af9a511.jpg?w=600&h=502
Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 9/1/2017 @ 8:09 am148… Rabid Rabble of Radical Left’s Masked Mayhem… Violent Vermin Vexes Decrepit Democrats… Putrid Polling Pushes Pandering Pelosi… #SanFranNanNone2bright
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/1/2017 @ 9:18 amSome argue that prosecution was warranted because not all of the relevant laws require intent (an important potentially applicable one, 18 USC 793(f), requires only “gross negligence”), and because the government needs to send a strong signal to protect the integrity of the classified information system. I do not view this as an unreasonable position, at least based on the information Comey provided yesterday. On the other hand, there are many hurdles to a successful prosecution even assuming the “gross negligence” standard is the right one here.
The prosecution would be entirely novel, and would turn in part on very tricky questions about how email exchanges fit into language written with physical removal of classified information in mind. Though he did not say so explicitly, Comey might have concluded that a conviction in this context was, for many reasons, unlikely—a clear reason not to prosecute. He probably also considered broader public policy considerations that prosecutors often take into account—considerations that cut in many different directions, to be sure. It’s unclear whether Comey was right to say that “no reasonable prosecutor” would bring a case against Clinton—it is just hard to say, one way or another, based on the information he provided yesterday. But Comey explained the general basis for his decision and took full responsibility for it.
Wittes/Lawfare
Ben burn (f7f452) — 9/1/2017 @ 9:21 am149 just took me to google, 150 is a keeper… thanks, Hoagie!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/1/2017 @ 9:25 amThe republican secretary of state says texas doesn’t need donation are help just prayers! joel olsteen says good! praying doesn’t cost me any money ;but I still would like to get my hands on some of those donations.
christianity in action (808007) — 9/1/2017 @ 12:42 pm154… teh Return of perry.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/1/2017 @ 1:02 pmThank you for the update, Dana.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/1/2017 @ 4:50 pmI was happy to hear that you and your family are well, Beldar, and my fondest wishes that you continue to be well.
I tried to leave the same comment at your site, but I could not get it to post.
nk (dbc370) — 9/1/2017 @ 4:59 pmTime Lapse videos of flooding in Houston: (one followed by some others.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0mIzJmjrd8
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 9/5/2017 @ 12:26 pmLet it sink in. Black lives matter. What it means is a wide range of Americans don’t think black lives matter. Like I wouldn’t fish a black kid out of a bayou if I hadn’t started a movement.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 10:28 amThey’re saying I’m racist.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 10:39 amDon’t look at me Steve57, I get that sh!t every day. I have found that anybody who doesn’t believe in importing unlimited numbers of South Americans, Africans and Middle Easterners is racist by today’s definition. Never mind it has to do with the fact they fail to assimilate to our culture and therefore are changing our culture to theirs. That’s not the point. I’m racist. Asian wife and a black foster son but I’m racist. Wanting to keep the American culture makes me one. I wouldn’t let 800,000 “dreamers” stay here if they were Brits and ANZAC’s. But at least they somewhat speak the language. We don’t need no stinkin’ immigrants right now.
BTW, you are a racist. You’re white. You privileged bastard.
Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7) — 9/6/2017 @ 11:11 amThanks for reminding me. Did I mention I got a Nazi hierarchy hierarchic haircut? Number 2 on the sides.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 11:21 amNot short enough, dont you need a #1?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/6/2017 @ 11:29 amThe white supremacist splitting axe
https://www.gransforsbruk.com/en/
It’s blonde, blue eyed, and hates black people same as you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3bjZlmsb4A
Give me a goddamned break.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 11:37 amThe Swedish axe I get but what’s with the dancing moslems?
Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7) — 9/6/2017 @ 11:50 amDo you really get the racist splitting axe, you racist butt hurt pig??!!? OMFG!!!! emojis.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 1:20 pmI hurt!!! therefore, microaggression.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 1:23 pmWhere do I sign up to beat up Nazis because I can’t afford tampons?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 1:26 pm“Don’t look at me Steve57”
Are y’all truly denying the macroaggression against a BLACK! POTUS had NOTHING TO DO WITH RACISM?
HEH.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/6/2017 @ 1:26 pmFirst of all: Yes!
Second they weren’t “micro aggressions”. We don’t do micro aggressions. They were full blown F-U’s.
Third. it was only “raaaacist” if by being a damn Red becomes your race. He wasn’t black on the outside, nor was he white, but he was red through to the bone. Like you Benny.
Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7) — 9/6/2017 @ 1:33 pmI crumble in the face of your obvious sincerity.
Does anyone know where I can meet a nice Irish girl?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 1:33 pmGood Rev., it was the “HEH” I took as the clue.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 1:36 pmTel Aviv is out of the question.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 1:37 pm“Does anyone know where I can meet a nice Irish girl?”
No Irish dreamers? Ach du lieber! Can’t we ROUTE brownskins through proxy nations?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/6/2017 @ 1:38 pmWe’re all red below the epidermis col. Klink.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/6/2017 @ 1:40 pmMother in Haifa: who are you knitting that sweater for.
Girl in Haifa: Those nice American boys.
Mother in Haifa: Isn’t it too small for them?
Girl in Haifa: Yes, and it is too small for me.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 1:42 pmDenial is the first stage of grief hoagy.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/6/2017 @ 1:44 pmI would think y’all would embrace the term racist as a badge of honor or a red badge of courage in the face of your emerging minority status.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/6/2017 @ 1:46 pmIf I am supposed to take you as you want, I should hate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT_PClBc8vE
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 1:55 pmI prefer P-38 w/counter rotating props..killed em at Leyte.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/6/2017 @ 2:01 pmBut you get over former enemies, or so they say.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/6/2017 @ 2:02 pm176, is that why Amercan basketball players like that stint in the Israeli League?
urbanleftbehind (3c62b6) — 9/6/2017 @ 2:12 pmWhat the h3ll are you talking about?
Did I get over the fact that Saburo Sakai died a fan of the US presence in Japan? Absolutely.
Call me scum. What did you ever do?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 2:17 pmWhoa! Sounds as though your hate needs no outside assistance.
That is all. Carry on.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/6/2017 @ 2:21 pmHow long can you hold a grudge?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 2:23 pmBen, I don’t hate. Hate is an expensive emotion and I can’t afford it.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/6/2017 @ 2:25 pmThat’s what leftists can’t understand, Steve57. Guys like us don’t waste the energy to hate. It’s exhausting. The left, as usual, projects. They’re so vacuous of serious emotion hate is all they got. I don’t hate a soul, even people who have harmed me. Won’t waste my time. I don’t like them, don’t want to be around them and don’t give a rats ass about them but I pity, not hate them.
Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7) — 9/6/2017 @ 5:14 pm