McCain Calls on Trump to Put Up or Shut Up on Wiretapping
Sen. John McCain was on Jake Tapper’s show this morning calling on President Trump to put up or shut up regarding Trump’s claims last weekend about Obama wiretapping him:
Sen. John McCain said Sunday that President Donald Trump should either retract or substantiate his claim that President Barack Obama wire-tapped him in the final weeks of the presidential campaign and added he expects more to come on Russia’s meddling in the US election.
McCain said on CNN’s “State of the Union” that he had “no reason to believe” Trump’s allegation, which the President has not supported with any evidence and which a White House official said was prompted by a Breitbart article.
“I have no reason to believe that the charge is true, but I also believe that the President of the United States could clear this up in a minute,” McCain told anchor Jake Tapper. “All he has to do is pick up the phone, call the director of the CIA, director of national intelligence and say, ‘OK, what happened?'”
I have said from the beginning that it was my view that Trump fired off a series of tweets with no special knowledge, based on a resurrection of months-old news stories that said, not that Trump or his aides or residence had been targeted by wiretaps, but that aides had been captured on wiretaps — most likely wiretaps targeting Russians. I have seen nothing to change that conclusion, and much since to bolster it. We don’t know what Obama did or didn’t do, but Trump had no secret knowledge. It was just Trump popping off the way he does.
Here’s the video of McCain.
[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]
Media suck-up McCain makes one good point. As I heard him on TV this morning, he said Trump as head of the executive branch has the means to find out the answers to these questions. We don’t need a Congressional investigative. He can just ask the people running the DOJ and related departments to show him the orders for the wire taps and supporting declarations.
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 3/12/2017 @ 1:52 pmI agree, AZBob, just like when Obama “made his calls” and found “not even a smidgen” of corruption.
I should think it wise to allow for the partisan obfuscation that surely exist during each transition between parties.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/12/2017 @ 2:16 pmhttp://wjla.com/news/nation-world/the-fbi-investigated-a-trump-server-in-its-russia-probe-but-no-charges-are-expected
narciso (b80f14) — 3/12/2017 @ 2:36 pmMcCain may be right, and he may be wrong.
But he is an expert on “popping off” about whatever crosses his mind at any given moment if it gets him on camera.
So he and Trump have a lot in common in that regard.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 3/12/2017 @ 2:38 pmNot so fast…
JOHN NOLTE: RussiaGate: Six Months. No Evidence — It’s Time for the Media to Put Up or Shut Up. “The media has not only found less than nothing, what has been found is a Team Trump behaving responsibly and appropriately in their dealings with Russian officials. Best of all, the only real scandal that appears to have been uncovered involves highly-inappropriate Obama Administration surveillance of a political rival, felonious leaks from an out-of-control intelligence community, and an extra-legal federal bureaucracy.”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/259566/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/12/2017 @ 2:38 pm“JAKE TAPPER AT SXSW: TRUMP REQUIRES MORE FACT CHECKING THAN OBAMA DID.
Translation into plain English: Now that there’s a Republican in the White House, we don’t have someone to act as a blocking back for, and invite kids on air to sing his praises and ask for socialized medicine.”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/259563/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/12/2017 @ 2:42 pmWas there fact checking of Obama?
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 3/12/2017 @ 2:47 pmLots of assumptions by Nolte, and while the media needs to answer for their Russian hissy fit That doesn’t absolve Trump from providing evidence of his allegations.
Sean (84dbdf) — 3/12/2017 @ 2:49 pmI wonder if McCloud mouth passed the secret questions in a dossier type way to the slime trapper.
mg (31009b) — 3/12/2017 @ 2:53 pmTrump does require more fact-checking than Obama did. He lies much more often.
Jake Tapper used to ask very pointed questions of the Obama flacks when they lied, which they did. I have been around long enough to remember that. Everyone here forgets it.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/12/2017 @ 3:15 pm“This time his wild accusation inadvertently prompted an Obama senior intelligence official to puncture a narrative that was consuming his presidency. Economists call this kind of thing a moral hazard. In politics we call it dumb luck.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-09/trump-s-run-of-dumb-luck
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/12/2017 @ 3:18 pmAnd so the whatabout…whatabout…whatabout…chorus resumes.
When has McCain ever flat-out accused someone of committing a crime based on zero evidence, and then stuck by it indefinitely?
The media isn’t the one investigating Trump’s collusion with Russian intelligence. The FBI is; there are three on-going investigations, and they’re not because of anything the media has said. Seventeen different intelligence agencies found convincing evidence of illegal Russian intervention on Trump’s behalf during the election. Then there is also the videotape of Trump instructing Russian intelligence to commit crimes on his behalf and release damaging information on his opponent.
Dave (711345) — 3/12/2017 @ 3:19 pmi remember how barack used to promise to get to the bottom of whatever scandal was plaguing his administration and then he never got to the bottom of it
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/12/2017 @ 3:20 pmSpeaking of evidence, Dave, care to link to this videotape you claim shows Trump giving ‘instructions’ to Russian intelligence?
Daiwa (d1d69d) — 3/12/2017 @ 3:27 pmdave’s still angry that hillary didn’t beat mr donald
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/12/2017 @ 3:32 pmBut back to ‘Build the Dang Fence’ Keating 5 McCain – it was a real disappointment when my fellow Arizonans re-elected this hack. I at one time held him in high regard, but he squandered all his credibility long ago and I’m glad he lost his presidential bid, even though I held my nose and voted for him then. He’s a pot calling the kettle black if ever there was one.
Daiwa (d1d69d) — 3/12/2017 @ 3:40 pmHow is it that people can fail to understand this?
Jake Tapper vs. Sputtering Bill Clinton
Jake Tapper Grills Loretta Lynch on her Tarmac Meeting with Bill Clinton
CNN’s Jake Tapper on Donna Brazile Leak to Clinton Campaign: ‘Unethical’, ‘Horrifying’
Dave (711345) — 3/12/2017 @ 3:42 pmCNN Host Challenges Wasserman Schultz on ‘Rigged’ Superdelegates Process
“McCain may be right, and he may be wrong.”
– shipwreckedcrew
He’s almost certainly right, which is what everyone here would like to ignore. The lengths people go to carry Trump’s putrid water are astounding.
Leviticus (d4d726) — 3/12/2017 @ 3:45 pmToo lazy to Google? OK.
Dave (711345) — 3/12/2017 @ 3:45 pmOh, FFS, Dave. Really?
Daiwa (d1d69d) — 3/12/2017 @ 3:53 pmDave could you repeat that last? It came through garbled due to Hillary’s [edit] being in your mouth.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:00 pmSounds like McCain is growing tired of winning, but we knew that from the way he ran his 2008 campaign.
Fake news.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:04 pmShe tells us there is no deep state. Umkay
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:09 pmhttps://www.cnas.org/people/loren-dejonge-schulman
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=joe+bonamassa+legend+of+john+henry&view=detail&mid=1A1A1748F02A37B53AB21A1A1748F02A37B53AB2&FORM=VIRE
mg (31009b) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:09 pm“MCCARTHYISM UPDATE: “Rep. Keith Ellison (D., Minn.) claimed on Friday there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, although he admitted he had no evidence to back his claims.” I think Keith Ellison is on the payroll of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, though I admit I have no evidence to back my claims. But I think it needs to be investigated.”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/259585/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:12 pmShocking, isn’t it?
Yet despite his confession on national TV, there are still gaslighters screaming “no evidence”.
Dave (711345) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:15 pmPaul Rand, who knows a lot about how the government spies, suggested this morning that the people being listened-in on were overseas, which is perfectly legal for the government to do, and they were /may have been caught talking to people phoning from Trump’s campaign headquarters. He mentioned that Obama himself was recorded on more than 1200 overseas conversations this way.
Yes, it is a backwards way of spying on Americans calling their KGB handlers in Lubyanka, but if you don’t like it arrange to call your local contact at the public phone of the 7-11, tovarich.
nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:22 pmThe methane is strong around this one…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:23 pmIt was your guy who supported Hillary, not me.
Dave (711345) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:23 pmDrool Alert
mg (31009b) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:26 pmnarciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:09 pm
But she wrote them a secret love letter.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:29 pm“There is no such thing as ‘the Devil’.” – Lucifer
felipe (023cc9) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:31 pmThe EITC train is up and running after that “extra scrutiny” promised by the current administration (per anecdotes overheard at mass this morning). Jon Hamm saved HR Cockblock for another season. The firm’s founder Henry Bloch attributed his denial of membership at a KCMO country club to antisemiticism (golfer Tom Watson quit that same club afterwards in deference to his Jewish wife). I would think Bloch could get denied because he is pretty close to beyond a direct pickpocket of fellow members due to expertise causing taxes to rise for others (e.g. Illinois house speaker Mike Madigan, an attorney who handles property tax appeals for large landowners).
urbanleftbehind (a2f607) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:33 pmhttp://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/03/ted_cruz_may_have_discovered_a_way_to_totally_change_obamacare_without_60_senate_votes.html
mg (31009b) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:35 pmMcCain being willing to be used by the MSM with seemingly no recognition of such…..
I’ve seen this movie before.
Harkin (eb0b95) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:38 pmThe previous administration regarded the taliban more than karzainas allies
http://ww.weaselzippers.us/329005-afghan-ambassador-compares-differences-between-trump-and-obama
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:39 pmJeez, but if we are going to hold Trump’s statements to a pedantic accuracy test, it’s going to be a long 4 years. Accept that he misunderstands everything technical, or for that matter, detailed, and view his statements as typical of a right-brained person and you’ll be much happier.
Remember that we’ve had presidents who were anally accurate in presenting their outright lies. Trump has a kernel of truth in his statements, which is more than you can say for Obama or Mr Bill.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:57 pmRead the circa piece, blind squirrel mensch found one nut, then went all almond joy.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 4:59 pmAnd no Trumpkin yet has splained why McCain is not perfectly correct in his assertion that all Trump has to do is order his subordinates in the DOJ, Central Intelligence and the NSA: “Tell me everything”.
nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:00 pmSo everyone knew what Trump meant about Hillary’s missing emails from her secret and illegal server except the NYTimes and one commenter? Using a source that openly admitted that they would not cover Trump fairly is never a good idea.
That story might as well haves ended with HRC saying she approved of the message.
Harkin (eb0b95) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:00 pmAs usual Trump is three steps ahead of the more…er, plodding thinkers among us.
We’ll see how this turns out, whether the deep state and it’s supporters prevail over the people’s elected representatives, but personally I think the deep states cheer squad traitorous and however it turns out I think they will die regretting their sympathies.
Or not, who knows what goes through a useful idiots head when they’re put against the wall.
Leon (3ad005) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:03 pmMadness seems to be the default at the basilisk:
http://streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=10447
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:05 pmThree lies ahead. Fast-talking snake-oil pitchman selling to morons. It will catch up to him.
nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:08 pmI’m all for limiting discussion of the Trump-Russia connection to no longer than, say, Trump’s support of birtherism.
Davethulhu (18ab69) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:09 pmI’d also like to limit any congressional investigations of such to no more than the number of official Benghazi investigations.
@39- http://yournewswire.com/chuck-schumer-says-trump-dumb-for-crossing-cia/
Leon (3ad005) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:09 pmCowards hate the courageous.
McCain was afraid to use Obama’s middle name in his presidential campaign.
That anyone takes McCain seriously anymore is incomprehensible to me.
Leon (3ad005) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:19 pmMaverick has proven himself a knave time and again, occassnally he finds a nut, as with championing the counterinsurgency but that’s almost beside himself.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:22 pm“Cowards hate the courageous”
This, by the way, explains much of nevertrumpianism.
Leon (3ad005) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:23 pmHis only other instance,in political life, proves the point, then again maybe certain contributions from. Certain parties explain his last stance.
My last link is a finance professor at the university of houston
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:28 pmThe collector of steele’s trash, a little like guin ess’s wormold in our man in havana, was as comfortable in mavericks orbit as with trump
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:37 pmWell, yeah, Trump was braver than McCain risking catching VD from the floozies he bought with his daddy’s money. All McCain risked was getting shot down by the North Vietnamese.
nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:39 pmYes I did say political life, Barry pepper’s portrayal in faithnof our fathers was affecting.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:42 pmOf all the Presidents in my lifetime, Trump is the most blustering coward of all. Even on chutzpah, which is audacity but not necessarily courage, Obama beats him out.
nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:45 pmGood grief it hasn’t been two months nk, give him a year.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:47 pmYou know, cowards bluster, bluff and lie. Brave men, in political life, present themselves honestly and take their lumps.
“But that’s not winnning”, whined the Trumpkins.
nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:48 pmDon’t forget brutalizing helpless women and peeping at naked little girls.
He was so proud of those “courageous” acts that he bragged about them to strangers.
Dave (711345) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:49 pmYou’re right. I’m really railing at Leon, not Trump, and I’ll stop.
nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:50 pmI think it was based on what Mark Levin said on the radio Thursday night, March 2, 2017, which was picked up by some other media. It took about 36 hours to get to the Donald trump.
After that Mark Levin repeated his analysis on television.
Here we can see what the New York Times referred to as Donald Trump’s intelligence briefing last Sunday: (Which he, even so, didn’t understand properly)
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/05/mark-levin-donald-trump-barack-obama-wiretapping
Donald Trump probably knew from the start and certainly knows now, that that whole thing – what Mark Levin alleged – is at most only a possibility, not a “fact.”
Sammy Finkelman (4a6ffc) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:50 pm39. nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:00 pm
Sammy Finkelman (4a6ffc) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:54 pmWhen Obama and Luger were busy forcing Ukraine to give up its nukes, where was maverick?
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:56 pmIf we want to cofrint volodya how about Germany spends enough on its own defense that they don’t have to drill with sticks, now keeping 1 million ‘syrians’ equivalent to 5 million in this country can’t help.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 5:59 pmhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-mccain-complete-the-danged-fence_us_57586f4be4b00f97fba709c6
Put up or shut up Senator.
NJRob (43d957) — 3/12/2017 @ 6:09 pmWhat? It was Clinton who negotiated with the Ukraine to give up its nukes. And it was a good thing. Ukrainian politicos are worse gangsters than the Russian oligarchs. They would have sold the nukes to the Arabs.
nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 6:14 pmYes Clinton pushed the deal but the usual suspects forced the follow-up on ukraine
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573557/Flashback-Senator-Obama-pushed-destruction-15-000-TONS-ammunition-400-000-small-arms-1-000-anti-aircraft-missiles-Ukraine.html
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 6:26 pmLeon@41
So refusal to be blindly loyal to Trump is treason worthy of the death penalty?
I have no idea of who you are, where you are from, or how old you are. I was raised during the Cold War, well into adulthood by the time the Berlin Wall came tumbling down. Which means I was bred up to a certain image of the Soviet Union as hostile to our values, working against us with all the tools of propaganda and infiltration it could muster, and now I see Russia ruled by a man who was born and trained in the heart of the Soviet system–and an executive branch that is either too complacent or too naive in thinking he might be our “friend”. It’s easy for me to see the possibility that some people in the “Deep State” see a need to defend us from Russian ploys even if the Executive does not.
Yet according to you they are traitors who ought to be shot revolution style.
kishnevi (3734a9) — 3/12/2017 @ 6:36 pmWell, here we are. Trump tweets about being wire tapped by Obama himself, and suddenly all the apparent gibberish about Trump’s colluding with Russia becomes a muddled message. Expect more of this, I suppose. If there is one thing The Donald knows it is how to manipulate the media. He’s been doing it his whole life. He flipped the narrative du jour fairly easily. All the more impressive given the fact that he deals with a media machine that loathes him, as opposed to their 8 year love affair with Mr. Obama. It’s amusing.
My problem comes down to one simple thought: this is not how a responsible press or President is supposed to behave.
As for Trump being more of a lying liar who lies than Obama, thus the dire need to fact check him more stringently than Obama, this cannot have been written by a serious man. If you would care to delve into the shady realms of each man’s actions over the course of a lifetime, and perhaps you should before undercutting your own credibility, I would love to read how you’ve come to this conclusion. And a pithy answer just won’t suffice.
Estarcarus (cd97e1) — 3/12/2017 @ 6:41 pmThere e are plenty of reasons to distrust the Russians, about 20,000, which is why we don’t off on a rant whenever fancy strikes us, their support of Iran’s nuclear program is one, serving as daddy warbucks to the Castro clan, is yet another, but the previous administration didn’t have concerns about either.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 6:43 pmAnd I know about trepov and ignatiev and pobrstdenev, so I really the model volodya is grappling for isn’t appealing
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 6:50 pmTwo lawyers had been stranded on a desert island for several months. The only thing on the island was a tall coconut tree that provided them their only food. Each day one of the lawyers would climb to the top to see if he could spot a rescue boat coming…
One day the lawyer yelled down from the tree, “WOW,
I just can’t believe my eyes. There is a woman out there floating in our direction.”
The lawyer on the ground was most skeptical and said, “You’re hallucinating, you’ve finally lost your mind.”But within a few minutes, up on the beach floated a stunningly beautiful woman, face up, totally naked, unconscious, without even so much a ring or earrings on her person. The two lawyers went down to the water, dragged her up on the beach and discovered, yes, she was alive, warm and breathing.
One said to the other, “You know, we’ve been on this God-forsaken island for months now without a woman. It’s been such a long, long time… So… Do you think we should…well… You know… Screw her?”
“Out of WHAT ?” asked the other lawyer.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/12/2017 @ 6:58 pmNK
Some might say McCain downed enough US planes to qualify as a NV ace.
Pinandpuller (aeb9b4) — 3/12/2017 @ 7:01 pm.Well, here we are. Trump tweets about being wire tapped by Obama himself, and suddenly all the apparent gibberish about Trump’s colluding with Russia becomes a muddled message
It is a case of stumbling over himself. A self inflicted wound.
Because if he hadn’t brought it up, the only story this week would have been Ryancare. Any diversions would be transparent media ploys.
Instead half the week gets spent confirming the media image of Trump the impulsive blusterer.
kishnevi (3734a9) — 3/12/2017 @ 7:16 pmI guess McCain is like the Benjamin Buttons of Karma.
Pinandpuller (aeb9b4) — 3/12/2017 @ 7:21 pmWhich would you rather:
nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 7:29 pm1. Win the Medal of Honor and reach the rank of full admiral in the U.S. Navy?
2. Be the first man on the Moon?
3. Be President of the United States?
4. Marry a gorgeous blonde who owns a beer distributorship?
No. 1 was Stockdale, BTW, also a Navy pilot who was shot down and taken prisoner by the NV.
nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 7:31 pmOk, Stockdale was a Vice-Admiral (three stars not four), still ….
nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 7:35 pmWhen former FBI counterterrorism agent Tim Clemente told CNN the federal government records (or has access to recordings) of all domestic phone calls, was he lying? Exaggerating?
If that was accurate, does it affect how we should evaluate Trump’s claim?
scrutineer (e49623) — 3/12/2017 @ 7:46 pmGlenn Greenwald is not a reliable source, scrutineer, and neither are his “sources”. In my opinion, he’s a Russian dezininformatsiya
nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 7:52 pmFor all the preening he does, he certainly hasn’t accomplished much.
askeptic (02878f) — 3/12/2017 @ 7:54 pmYes Tim Clemente’s is doggy back when he was whitewashung gitmo detainees, back in the aughts.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 7:58 pmGreenwald isn’t a “source” except in the sense his article contains the CNN video and partial transcript.
Transcript of first interview.
Video of followup interview.
scrutineer (e49623) — 3/12/2017 @ 8:06 pmWhy I don’t trust him, this is the network for a country where civil liberties are a memory
ttps://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/218279-gitmo-torture-terror-cia/
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 8:13 pm66 – “As for Trump being more of a lying liar who lies than Obama, thus the dire need to fact check him more stringently than Obama, this cannot have been written by a serious man. If you would care to delve into the shady realms of each man’s actions over the course of a lifetime, and perhaps you should before undercutting your own credibility, I would love to read how you’ve come to this conclusion. And a pithy answer just won’t suffice.”
So much truth here.
Harkin (eb0b95) — 3/12/2017 @ 8:17 pmDid Tapper ask McCain about Jeffrey Claude Bartleson? One of you legal people need to inform me what happened in that case. It’s funny how there can be a high-profile arrest reported in the media and then nothing comes after to let you know if the guy stood trial or was released because of lack of evidence or something else. The story just dies after the arrest. Very strange.
jcurtis (567f3d) — 3/12/2017 @ 8:18 pmJames Stockdale was the bomb.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/12/2017 @ 8:36 pmEven the nevertrumpers can’t compare to his resume.
Can any Trumpkins?
nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 8:41 pmMcCain out with friends for a night on the town encounters a nervous criminal. It’s a stick up. McCain is the kind of guy who says, “Hey buddy. You got the safety catch on.” gets everyone in his party dead.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/12/2017 @ 8:48 pmYou can be the President.
Dave (711345) — 3/12/2017 @ 8:52 pmI’d rather be the Pope.
– The Artist Formerly Known As
And who has bankrolled varsity as well as jayvee organuzations:
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 8:55 pmhttp://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/778062/ISIS-Islamic-State-Daesh-Syria-London-Theo-Padnos-Islamic-State-West-war
As fir CBS star odd slahi last night, there’s a bit they are leaving out, shocker
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 9:01 pmSee if this works zulnqh8
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 9:04 pmErr, you guys do know that McCain married a gorgeous blonde who owns a beer distributorship, right? The joke works better if you know that.
nk (dbc370) — 3/12/2017 @ 9:11 pmDave never gets the punchline or the beer:
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 9:23 pmhttps://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/03/13/democrats-seek-to-escape-their-whirlpool-of-failure-and-fail-at-that-too-n2297884
And in more news of the absurd:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/840976625684602881/photo/1
Did Alan rickman do the voice of the Marvin like droid on rebels?
narciso (d1f714) — 3/12/2017 @ 9:27 pmmccain’s a cowardly trashy disgrace
i got your pow right here you creepy brainwashed military trash-freak
right.
here.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/12/2017 @ 10:07 pmwhat i like best about john mccain is that he stood up to barack when it counted
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/12/2017 @ 10:19 pmwait
no he didn’t
Liar.
He voted against both Obama supreme court nominees.
Dave (711345) — 3/12/2017 @ 10:34 pmHe voted against passing Obamacare.
He voted to repeal Obamacare.
He voted to stop Obama’s immigration executive orders.
He supported blocking Merrick Garland’s nomination.
I think where Dave was at 9:27:
‘You have nothing to fear from Barack obama’ ambassador Stevens was unavailable to comment.
narciso (a6bfae) — 3/12/2017 @ 10:44 pmJohn McCain is a hero. For his aiirmanship.
Attention to citation:
http://valor.militarytimes.com/recipient.php?recipientid=23680
But he needs to shut up and go away.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 3/12/2017 @ 10:46 pmJohn McCain pressed home the attack.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 3/12/2017 @ 10:51 pmTranslation: I can’t defend Trump’s syphilitic conspiracy theories, or refute a single thing McCain actually said in the interview, so I’ll just attack him personally for having the integrity to tell the truth.
Dave (711345) — 3/12/2017 @ 10:55 pmBut he had a great plane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=BLMM_jf6Lwc
“Discovery Wings Great Planes – A-4 Skyhawk”
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 3/12/2017 @ 11:00 pmJohn McCain pressed home the attack before I was born.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 3/12/2017 @ 11:05 pmI never tried to understand this.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 3/12/2017 @ 11:16 pmMcCain Calls on Trump to Put Up or Shut Up on Wiretapping
John, your ‘call’ was taped.
“Hellllooo, Mister Wilson!” – Dennis Mitchell [Jay North] ‘Dennis The Menace’ CBS TV, 1959-1963
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/12/2017 @ 11:26 pm3. Be President of the United States?
So, how hard can that be, really?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/13/2017 @ 12:18 amJohn McCain is like Mr Magoo, squinting through his bifocals, spraying bullets all over the countryside. Friend and foe alike ducking for cover.
And YES he could use a double helping of sit down and shut up.
What a wonderful world it would be if John obliged the democrats to put forward their own increasingly embarrassingly stupid talking point without his assistance.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/13/2017 @ 1:42 ami
What are you talking about? I don’t like Trump. I have never liked Trump.
Back when Trump insulted McCain I was probably first to say, yes, McCain is a hero.
I dislike John McCain, too. But it’s a fact.
http://valor.militarytimes.com/recipient.php?recipientid=23680
That John McCain drove his plane like a stud.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 3/13/2017 @ 1:45 amFact is McCain voted for the NSA to wiretap any and all of us as the mood strikes.
John McCain: NSA Phone Surveillance Program Is Necessary
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/John-McCain-NSA-surveillance-ISIS/2015/05/07/id/643210/
Not the first time he pissed on the constitution.
Just the most relevant example today.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/13/2017 @ 1:51 amAnd Al Franken could tell a joke or two back in the day. Doesn’t make his a worthy senator.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/13/2017 @ 1:54 amI dispute the notion that Franken could tell a joke.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 3/13/2017 @ 2:10 amYeah well you’re one of us whether we like you or not.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 3/13/2017 @ 2:18 amWhat a wonderful world it would be if the President of the United States didn’t invent insane conspiracy theories based on zero evidence and try to pass them off as fact.
Dave (711345) — 3/13/2017 @ 2:23 amWhat a wonderful world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWzrABouyeE
Louis Armstrong.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 3/13/2017 @ 2:36 am“ANDREW MALCOLM: Trump is doing what Obama didn’t do.
Trump has been meeting all along with congressional leaders. Now, he’s had, of all people, Sen. Lindsay Graham of South Carolina over for lunch. Then, Mr. and Mrs. Marco Rubio and Mr. and Mrs. Ted Cruz came for separate social dinners. Social is what Washington calls meal-time lobbying, and what no one expected last year during the primary campaign when Trump mocked those men.
The other evening the Trump White House had key committee members in for drinks and social bowling. The president will be working that Oval Office phone to Capitol Hill, as he has to many foreign leaders since Jan. 20.
Trump prefers that personal touch, as he did in his real-estate dealing days, the opposite of aloof. Both he and Mike Pence are holding a series of “listening sessions” with leaders from education, small business, big business, community banks and so forth.
Somehow, recent encouraging economic news and the administration’s legislative agenda always come up, starting with Obamacare’s repeal and replacement, then tax reform. And most sessions end with POTUS inviting attendees into the Oval Office for a once-rare, much-coveted photo in that fabled place.
Such focused attention by a president tends to increase support and mute disagreement, while fueling positive word of mouth about him and his plans, almost like an investment in a long-term real estate deal.
Anybody who’s been in business for almost any length of time understands that they don’t know everything — or they don’t stay in business.
That aside, you might be having some difficulty reconciling this report of Trump reaching out and listening to the people’s elected representatives — and even to elected foreign leaders — with all that talk about Trump being a Putin-loving autocrat.”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/259637/
Colonel Haiku (94464c) — 3/13/2017 @ 6:04 am@100, you can go back and look. I despised Trump. But it appears I was wrong.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 3/13/2017 @ 6:27 am“A powerful mental construct – the liberal myth of a progressive utopia brought about by surrender of the individual to state control – is at risk of being swept away by a great movement to free consciousness from the controlling ideas of the liberal past. As Shelby Steele wrote in a remarkable March 6 op-ed (“The Exhaustion of American Liberalism”), we stand “at the end of something,” that something being the radical mindset that has dominated so much of American intellectual life since the 1960s.
“The jig is up.” Liberalism no longer possesses the moral authority to control our national politics.
Liberals are terrified of Trump because they know that their great myth, once the light of consciousness has been shined on it, will dissolve as quickly as a grain of salt in water. As Steele puts it, the “president rolls his eyes when he is called a racist, and we all – liberal and conservative alike – know that he isn’t one.” Elizabeth Warren’s Jeff Sessions rant was just that: a hysterical rant, and everyone knows it. “White guilt,” and all that goes with it, is now just tiresome noise. There is no reality to liberals’ mental myth of the enlightened state. Once it comes under awareness, it dissolves.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/03/the_end_of_the_worldfor_liberals.html
Colonel Haiku (94464c) — 3/13/2017 @ 6:45 amgood good you’re back Mr. 57 hope all is well
today we are besieged by snow but we must persevere for there are many adventures what await today in the city
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/13/2017 @ 6:59 amkishnevi (3734a9) — 3/12/2017 @ 6:36 pm
I find this comment, of yours, most satisfying, because it bespeaks of a mind in control of itself. Kishnevi knows himself.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/13/2017 @ 7:24 amFor your enjoyment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hyn5XGEEso
“Gangnam Style / Thunderstruck” live by the Third Marine Aircraft Wing Band
The Arizona band won by unanimous decision the 1941 prize for the battle of the bands. They were killeed to a man.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 3/13/2017 @ 7:57 amA fair point, volodya wants the Ukraine and other czarist era constructs like bears,want trout, what’s the best way to hold him off.
narciso (bb10cb) — 3/13/2017 @ 7:58 amThat’s a really hard call. I need to step back and think on that one.
NJRob (43d957) — 3/13/2017 @ 8:41 amJust in case you guys think I made all that stuff up:
1. Admiral James Stockdale was a Navy pilot and POW in Vietnam.
nk (dbc370) — 3/13/2017 @ 8:51 am2. Neil Armstrong served in the Navy during the Korean War.
3. George H.W. Bush was a Navy pilot in the Pacific in WWII.
4. You know McCain’s military record.
“McCain may be right, and he may be wrong.
But he is an expert on “popping off” about whatever crosses his mind at any given moment if it gets him on camera.”
This is one of the major reason I was extremely nervous whenever McCain was running for President;
McCain and Trump both appear to shoot from the hip a lot. McCain appears to do it largely because he likes being called a ‘Maverick’. Trump appears to do it because it keeps his opponents off balance; it’s a tactic that feeds into strategy.
Not that I’m a huge Trump fan. Yet. The antics of the Progressive Left and the petulant Right are pushing me in that direction, though.
C. S. P. Schofield (99bd37) — 3/13/2017 @ 9:14 amTo settle the dispute regarding whether or not Al Franken was once upon a time capable of telling a good joke, can’t we all just agree that he IS a joke?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/13/2017 @ 9:18 amKind of disturbing. I went searching for a Franken joke worth the reprint and found Al Franken’s “McCain joke”, from Salon in year 2000.
Sounds like Trump copped Franken’s line.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/13/2017 @ 12:23 pmWhat a wonderful world it would be if the President of the United States didn’t invent insane conspiracy theories based on zero evidence and try to pass them off as fact.
Dave (711345) — 3/13/2017 @ 2:23 am
First of all, you are going to have to narrow down which President you are speaking of. Not least since this nonsense started with an insane conspiracy theory based on zero evidence – that Russia “hacked” the election.
Secondly, given the reporting that has been done, which Trump mangles in his relating of his accusations, his conspiracy theory may be without much evidence but its not insane.
Lastly, I can find Donald Trump to be incompetent in his allegations and still want McCain to shut up and go away.
SPQR (a3a747) — 3/13/2017 @ 3:04 pmYes, I do. And I respect it.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 3/13/2017 @ 3:35 pm125. papertiger (c8116c) — 3/13/2017 @ 12:23 pm
I think they probably invented it independently. The thought crossed my mind, too.
Before the Vietnam War, they never made captured prisoners into the heroes. Prisoners who escaped, maybe, but they weren’t the only heroes. In the Korean war they worried about them being brainwashed (a Chinese Communist term, I read recently) It was something for the Korean War oprisoners just to be considered honorable.
But Nixon made POWs heroes. This happened, of course, because of all the accusations made against American soldiers by Hanoi’s propaganda, much of which was accepted in some quarters in the United states, Prisoners of War, though, had to be innocent of wrongdoing, at least while prisoer, and at least it got understood they were treated horribly. No one seriously tried to dispute that – I don’t know about the likes of Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden, but I think they at most didn’t talk about them.
Sammy Finkelman (4a6ffc) — 3/13/2017 @ 10:17 pmHow about a gorgeous blonde whose family owns a Porsche dealership? I met one on a flight to Germany. I was totally in love about a quarter of the way across the Atlantic. I’ll happily buy the beer if I can make the beer run in a 911 GT3.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/porsche-911-gt3-vs-porsche-911-gt3-rs-1-4-mile-drag-race-gets-brutal-116121.html#agal_0
Her family also owned a lake. Bad news the lake was in Germany. I would prefer a lake in Italy. But if I can have a 911 GT3, Germany will do.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 3/14/2017 @ 9:47 amWhat are you talking about? Pappy Boyington was a hero. He was also a POW. The two are separate things. Same with McCain.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2015/0723/John-McCain-s-air-war-over-Vietnam.-And-mine
As I understand it his plane had already been hit before the SAM blew his wing off.
There are all sorts of reasons why someone can be a hero and still end up Hors de Combat.
Someone you should know.
http://talesofseasia.com/doug.html
Doug Hegahl. Hero. He was an adviser at FASOTRAGRUPAC when I went through SERE in the early ’90s. I didn’t meet him as he was on vacation but I have the benefit of his knowledge. I never killed five enemy trucks.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 3/14/2017 @ 10:48 am