Milo on the Joys of Young Boys Having Sexual Relationships with Older Men (UNEDITED VIDEO)
Milo Yiannopoulos will speak at CPAC (although he is not, as some have reported, the keynote speaker.)
A controversy has arisen concerning his comments suggesting that 13-year-old boys can consent to sexual relationships with older men; that sexual attraction to “sexually mature” 13-year-olds is not pedophilia; and that sexual relationships between young boys and older men can be “hugely positive.”
Milo has posted a statement that claims that the controversy arises out of “selectively edited videos.” (He does acknowledge some “sloppy phrasing” too.)
I thought it might be a public service, then — if a somewhat distasteful one — to publish a lengthy transcript from a video that appears unedited to me. The following excerpt is about four minutes in length, and you can navigate in the video to watch the whole 2 3/4 hour video if you wish. Make up your own mind about whether Milo Yiannopoulos appears to advocate older men having sexual relationships with boys as young as 13.
And if it appears that he does, you must decide whether that is an opinion that you want representing you as a conservative. [Discussion is NSFW.]
PaulsEgo: The whole consent thing, for me, is, it’s not this black and white thing that people try and paint it. Are there some 13-year-olds out there capable of giving informed consent to have sex with an adult? Probably. But I was also a 13-year-old. I hung around with 13-year-old guys, you know, when I was 13, and there were some of them that still thought girls were f*cking icky at 13. Like not many, but like, they were just coming out of that phase. I don’t know that I was ready at 13 to get f*cked in the *ss by a 28-year-old black drag queen is what I’m saying. So, you can’t, the reason these age of consent laws exist is because we have to set some kind of a barometer here.
Yiannopoulos: I completely understand…
PaulsEgo: We’ve got to pick an age and go, okay, look, this is the age where we can reasonably be assured you’re an adult, you can give informed consent, you understand the risks of pregnancy, all that bullsh*t.
Yiannopoulos: Of course, of course, and I think the law is probably about right, that’s probably roughly the right age, I think it’s probably about okay, but there are certainly people who are capable of giving consent at a younger age, I certainly consider myself to be one of them. People who are sexually active younger. I think it particularly happens in the gay world, by the way. And in many cases, actually, those relationships with older men — this is one of the reasons I hate the left, this sort of stupid, one-size-fits-all policing of culture, this sort of, this arbitrary —
Ben: You know, Milo —
T.J.: Let him talk.
Ben: Oh, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I was just —
Yiannopoulos: This arbitrary — I’m just gonna — I’ll be quick. This arbitary and oppressive idea of consent which totally destroys, you know, the understanding that many of us have of the complexities and subtleties and complicated nature of many relationships. You know, people are messy and complex, and actually, in the homosexual world particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men, those kind of coming-of-age relationships, the relationships in which those older men help those young boys to discover who they are, and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable — a sort of a rock for when they can’t talk to their parents. Some of those relationships are some of the most —
Unknown: It sounds like priest molestation to me.
Ben: It sounds like Catholic priest molestation to me.
Yiannopoulos: And you know what? I am grateful for Father Michael. I wouldn’t give nearly such good head if it wasn’t for him.
Ben: Oh, my God. Oh, my God, I can’t handle it.
Unknown: What is wrong with you, Ben? Come on?
PaulsEgo: It’s funny because Ben gave me some homework on you, Milo, he gave a few videos to watch to brush up on my Miloisms, and one of the things you said in one of these clips was that transgenderism is the new, you know, frontier of, you know, rights, my wording is bad here, but, um, you know, it’s the new frontier of social progress and the next thing in line is gonna be pedophilia – and yet, here you are talking about how, look, you know, some of these kids that get diddled by these priests, I mean, it’s a good thing for them! They’re getting this love! Now they are also getting a d*ck —
Yiannopoulos: You’re misunderstanding what pedophilia means. Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to someone 13 years old who is sexually mature.
PaulsEgo: OK, ephebophilia or whatever.
Yiannopoulos: Pedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty. Pedophilia is attraction to people who don’t have functioning sex organs yet, who have not gone through puberty, who are too young to be able to understand the way their bodies —
Unknown: Ann Coulter.
Yiannopoulos: That is not what we’re talking about.
T.J.: Ann Coulter.
PaulsEgo: Sure, granted.
Yiannopoulos: You don’t understand what pedophilia is if you think that I’m defending it, ’cause I’m certainly not.
PaulsEgo: No, no, no. I’m not saying you’re defending it, I’m saying you’re walking the borderline.
Yiannopoulos: No it’s not. You said I was defending it, and you’re wrong.
PaulsEgo: OK, OK, fine. I retract my statement, Milo. I retract my statement. I shan’t slander you further. But you are advocating for cross-generational relationships here, can we be honest about that?
Yiannopoulos: Yeah, I don’t mind saying, I don’t mind admitting that, and I think particularly in the gay world – and outside, the Catholic Church, if that’s where some of you want to go with this – I think in the gay world, some of the most important, enriching and incredibly, you know, life-affirming, important, shaping relationships very often between younger boys and older men, they can be hugely positive experiences for those young boys, they can even save those young boys from desolation, from suicide, from drug addiction, all those things, provided they’re consensual. Provided they’re consensual.
Manufactured controversy or genuinely disturbing and immoral nonsense? You be the judge.
UPDATED to correct one line from PaulsEgo.
UPDATE x2: Milo has now been disinvited from CPAC and Simon and Schuster says they will not be publishing his book.
[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]
Ding.
Patterico (9356e2) — 2/19/2017 @ 11:03 pmManufactured controversy or genuinely disturbing and immoral nonsense?
Free speech.
James B. Shearer (a02d29) — 2/19/2017 @ 11:35 pmLet’s highlight this part.
Yiannopoulos: You don’t understand what pedophilia is if you think that I’m defending it, ’cause I’m certainly not.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/19/2017 @ 11:50 pmManufactured controversy. He just saying its complex. It is complex.
Mike (b6b0fa) — 2/19/2017 @ 11:51 pmI’m hitting it.
Feel free to bad mouth me at your leisure.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/19/2017 @ 11:55 pmIs this a trick question?
A child of 13, regardless of whether their body has gone through puberty, is in no way competent to make a decision about whether to have sex with an adult.
Given the range of inducements, psychological pressures and sheer dominance that an adult can bring to bear against a naive and probably trusting child, it is rape, plain and simple.
If Milo, as he claims, is an example of the “benefits” of this type of child abuse, that should be sufficient to end the discussion right there.
Dave (711345) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:19 amJames B. Shearer wrote: “Free speech.”
Whenever a leftist gets caught saying something indefensible, leftists will try to change the conversation from whether the speech can be justified, to whether it is protected by the Constitution.
It’s a straw man argument, because no one has said that Milo’s speech should be suppressed by the government.
By making the straw man argument, leftists can passionately defend the right to free speech, by implication suggesting that the critics they are responding to don’t believe in free speech. And they can avoid the discussion they don’t want to have which is: is the speech defensible.
It’s an intellectually dishonest dodge.
No one said that Milo’s speech should be banned by the government. The question is whether he should have a platform at CPAC.
Daryl Herbert (7be116) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:45 am#6, Dave expresses it perfectly. The statutory rape laws are appropriate
regardless of the type of sexual relationship, and the reason why is identical
regardless of the type of sexual relationship.
Isn’t it amazing how almost all efforts to describe how bad Milo’s concept is end
Ken in Camarillo (fe2134) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:03 amup being terrible double entendre’s?
Milo being speaking at CPAC — definitely not Patrick-post worthy. Delegated to bench/Dana.
But news Milo is a pedo? BACK OFF, DANA — this one’s all MINE. LOL
School Marm (5999c1) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:21 amTeam Republican seen hanging out at Nambla get togethers with democrat members.
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:34 amLove to see the photos of mccain and graham between milo.
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2017 @ 2:10 amBy the way, I was not suggesting that Mr. Shearer is a leftist, I was just saying that he was using a tactic that we’ve seen, again and again, from leftists, to avoid honest debate.
Daryl Herbert (7be116) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:12 amPenal law aspects aside,if Milo stated he gained worldly experience from a 23 year old female there would be no discussion. His battle for freedom of speech should be the issue,as abhorrent his views may be to some.
gbear (70736b) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:40 amY. Doodle: General, please tell me again why we’re in the middle of the Delaware River, in the middle of winter, dodging ice floes and Hessian musket balls?
G. Washington: Why, son, so’s a half-Brit/half-Greek pervert can come to America on a business visitor’s visa and make his living by going to college campuses and telling the college boys that he gives better blowjobs than college girls and he owes it all to having being taught how at the age of thirteen by a grown man.
Y. Doodle: Well, hell, General, there ain’t no finer thing to fight, kill and die for than that.
nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:01 amOr, maybe, penal law aspects aside, Adam Lanza’s battle for the right to keep and bear arms should be the issue,as abhorrent his views may be to some?
nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:20 am15, I do not know Lanza’s views, only his actions, which I do not see as comparable.
gbear (70736b) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:37 amMatt Schlapp should exercise better judgment about which provocateurs to promote.
crazy (d3b449) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:14 am16. On that point, if Milo were the pushing 60 older man of that discussion, with multiple relationships with teenage males, would that be beyond pale. That may well have been Pym Fortyn had he survived.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:23 amCan we be absolutely clear about something? Patterico does not actually give a RAT’S ARSE about Milo’s sexual pasttimes! He is using this as a futile, last effort to keep the libertarianish intellectual faculty lounge of Conservatism, Inc free pure and free of the barbarian rabble rousers at the gate!
He just wants to be free to conduct pointless thought experiments about what would happen if we had a “truly free market” and a federal government the size it was in 1790! Neither of which will ever happen, and not many people care about! But as long as Patterico can keep the movement preoccupied impossible hypotheticals, he’ll never have to deal with the questions the GOP base actually cares about: immigration and demographic displacement, the casualties of “free trade,” racial friction, and all those other icky, controversial subjects he’d prefer to minimize and virtue signal about.
Jared Nelson (83388d) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:30 amOmg
EPWJ (42f585) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:31 amThis guy needs a prison cell
EPWJ (42f585) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:34 ampapertiger, at #3, is correct. Yiannopoulos is not defending pedophilia, which is an attraction to pre-pubescent children. But he absolutely is defending “consensual” relationships between adults and post-pubescent teenagers, which falls under the common colloquial use of the word “pedophilia.” (I put “consensual” in quotation marks because children under the age of majority are deemed legally incapable of consenting.)
So it is not a distinction without a difference for Milo to say, “I would never think about trying to have sex with a twelve-year-old boy. However, at fourteen, after puberty has begun, the kid should be fair game.” One is a pedophilic act, and the other is not. However, I wonder whether the parents of the boy might see enough of a distinction there. I certainly wouldn’t have this man anywhere near my children.
Also, for those people who are still Republicans here, can you defend giving Milo a keynote at CPAC? A decade ago, Republicans were pressuring Mark Foley out of Congress. I guess now it’s okay.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:42 am@ Jared Nelson, #19:
The “GOP base,” especially its Christian component, used to care quite a bit — and not in a positive way — about a man advocating for legalized gay sex with minors. I guess times change.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:44 amTrump has really broken the glass ceiling for sexual predators and child sex abusers.
Dave (711345) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:10 amThe greatest lie the left told in it’s push to normalize homosexuality was denying its link to pedophilia.
Yes, Milo is correct that what he’s talking about isn’t technically pedophilia, but nobody would be OK with a heterosexual man saying this.
StarkChoice (c51e47) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:13 amAlso noteworthy is his tacit admission that homosexuals suffer from mental illness.
StarkChoice (c51e47) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:14 amMarm,
Dana is not ‘the bench’. Dana’s an awesome blogger. JVW is too. The cobloggers here have been awesome over the years with only a few exceptions. It’s too bad you couldn’t find any better way to respond to the topic than the slam the blog, but that’s how a lot of Trump fans handle reality (aka Fake News).
Demosthenes, I appreciate the effort to explain Milo’s point of view in good faith. I still think a teenager cannot consent to sex with adults, even if they are in puberty, and even if raping a younger child is worse. Our culture is at constant battle with immorality and we have to be clear about some core principles. And I recognize you are not challenging them. But one of those principles is that a 14 year old or any other minor child cannot have a consensual sexual relationship with an adult.
Also, this Milo guy clearly suffers from mental illness. I feel bad for anyone who is so partisan that they overlook it, and I think Milo should be kept away from kids.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:20 amI don’t think its a manufactured controversy, and I’ve read much the same crap from the NAMBLA movement in the US. I think he’s got a more “European” POV on the “age of consent” issue, and he’s mistakenly claiming that “sexual maturity” is somehow a line of demarcation beyond which “consent” should be permitted rather than an arbitrary age limit.
But IMO its all about him justifying in his own mind what happened to him, and how it shaped his life afterwards. If he “normalizes” his own experiences then what’s happened to him in the aftermath of being the victim of a predator priest is validated as a normal and reasonable path through life.
Where I find irritation in the OP, however, is this line —
CPAC is having him as a speaker. That doesn’t mean he represents me as a conservative. I don’t think he has a very significant role to play within the conservative movement, and his only real contribution to the public dialogue right now concerns the way his position as an “editor” of Breitbart sets off left-wing radicals at college campuses.
I don’t think he’s got anything particularly worthy to contribute on the intellectual side of conservatism — and its really dumb FOR THAT REASON to give him a platform to speak at CPAC.
Do you hold out any room in your view of him for the idea that the views he is stating are in some significant way a product of his own experiences as a 13 year old boy (according to him)? Don’t you see a huge amount of immaturity in the way he acts and speaks that strongly suggests a stunting of psychological development? There is no question that he’s got “issues”, and he’s espousing a POV that’s indefensible.
I’m not sure, however, that he’s come to his views “honestly”. I think he’s lived the experience – whether by consent or not — and this is the way he keeps the monsters in the closet in his head.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:25 amIsn’t there a tradition in England about this, don’t know if he went to boarding school. Mil is a provocateur on the questions of PC in the universities where ‘they raided the food court’ in one instance and shot another student in another:
narciso (d1f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:26 amhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russell-simmons-leads-i-am-a-muslim-too-rally-in-new-york_us_58aa13e8e4b037d17d290e0a
This will likely be the next frontier in deviance, but I’m confident it went be center the talk, what was more significant was salafi apologist scahill backing out of the Maher show.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/02/the-silly-sweden-flap.php
narciso (d1f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:38 amAxios is already predicting the speaking invite will be withdrawn.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:42 amSWC, that’s a good point.
He’s clearly a victim and he’s trying to process what’s happened to him.
But CPAC should withdraw its invitation. They are shaping the movement, which is already badly damaged by the GOP primary going to the wrong man. They can then offer to pay for therapy for Milo if that soothes the heartache.
There’s going to come a time when those who were clear about Trump have a lot more credibility than those who laughed it off, and CPAC is choosing the easy path.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:45 amMore of a sad piece of autobiography, really. Yes, interpersonal relationships can be (to put it mildly) complicated, but it doesn’t seem to have occurred to him that he was manipulated by someone in a position of trust, for lustful purposes no less.
On a lighter note, the Karate Kid movies take on a different colour when looked at through this lens.
JP (f1742c) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:49 amDid Andrew Sullivan speak at cpac, did brick, its just as likely he would go nuts as those two.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:51 amAt most, I think Milo is suggesting that an arbitrary cutoff, such as age 16, is exactly that — arbitrary — and that possibly there can be actual, knowledgeable consent on the part of a boy somewhat below that, say, age 15. Plenty of others, including criminal law scholars, have pointed to the arbitrary nature of statutory rape statutes. Nowhere do I see Milo defend consent on the part of someone under age 15. And nowhere does he defend anything like pedophilia. And nowhere does he suggest that HE has ever had sex with anyone who’s underage; this is an exploration of ideas.
Badger Pundit (e8a5f9) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:56 amMilo is arguably a white nationalist too.
As nuts as Andrew Sullivan is, he’s simply not comparable to an Alt Right type. He has the capacity to convey an intelligent argument. He’s not just going to provoke and then point at whoever he trolled as proof of how important he is.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:58 amWith 7.4 billion people in the world, there’s bound to be millions of mistakes of nature and it is impossible to concern ourselves with every individual one. Yiannopoulos is something to talk about only because Trumpkins, of which he is one, are the cow pee in the conservative milk bucket and insist that they are milk too.
nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:59 amYes.
J.P. (9e0433) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:10 am“I am grateful for Father Michael. I wouldn’t give nearly such good head if it wasn’t for him.”
– Milo
Maybe “Milo” wouldn’t ascribe so much of his self-worth to his fellatio skills if he hadn’t been so trained at such a young age. I wonder if the thought’s ever crossed his mind.
Leviticus (0a69be) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:23 amFree will
Free speech
Free-basing
Everyone abuses their freedom at some point, and perhaps at many points. Some are even celebrated for it, causing scandal, spectacle, and slavery to sin.
Full disclosure: I read the Marquise De Sade’s works (including 120 days of Sodom). It took me ten hard years to get that crap out of my head. I am much more sensitive about what I put in there today.
If life were a buffet, this guy would be treating it like a trough.
felipe (023cc9) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:30 amOnce upon a time it was associated with certain sorts in the Oxbridge set, yes.
Always thought of it as more of a Greek predilection, though.
(Don’t you start chucking tsarouhia my way, nk)
JP (f1742c) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:36 amOh, the mantle of “consent” is very often abused as a disguise.
felipe (023cc9) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:36 amYes.
J.P. (9e0433) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:10 am
Cruz spoke at an event (during his pres campaign) that turned out to be something quite anti-semetic. Before leaving, he let them have it. Sammy, would you be so kind as to find that link?
If Cruz appears at CPAC, I expect him to use his appearance there to voice his concerns.
felipe (023cc9) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:41 amI guess he’s islamophobic as well
https://mobile.twitter.com/RaheemKassam?p=s
narciso (d1f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:41 am12 By the way, I was not suggesting that Mr. Shearer is a leftist, I was just saying that he was using a tactic that we’ve seen, again and again, from leftists, to avoid honest debate.
This is kind of backwards. Leftists are against free speech and often attempt to avoid debate by calling people “racists” or “sexists” and trying to get them excluded from polite society.
James B. Shearer (a02d29) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:50 am36.”Milo is arguably a white nationalist too.”
He’s refuted this time and again. The left still keeps slinging it though.
harkin (afc7a6) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:52 amOh, Milo doesn’t believe in much of anything, other than how darned clever he sounds to himself.
Appropriately, Oscar Wilde put it best: “It is better to be infamous than not famous at all.”
Milo is a reminder that we need to never fall into that narcissistic trap.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:54 amWell, pederasty is a Greek word, JP. However, the Greeks claim the same thing about the Turks. And I read a book in which an Azeri (Azerbaijani?) claimed it about the Persians. It may an “East of us” sort of thing. Do the Persians accuse the Chinese of it?
nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:04 amI’ve always thought the profile caricature of Patterico was a bit strange but if you apply it to his Trump (and now Milo) posts it fits perfectly.
And if you think it’s a good thing to remove Milo’s voice from conservatism, where he’s not only bravely standing up to violence and censorship but also getting young people to think for themselves outside the indoctrination bubble, you’re wrong.
The left is hell-bent on destroying him and his voice, think about it.
harkin (afc7a6) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:06 amYou failed to refute it and I’m definitely not the left. The way Milo talks about Jews or calls himself a fellow traveler with the alt-right makes my description mild and reasonable.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:09 amLet’s highlight this part too.
PaulsEgo: It’s funny because Ben gave me some homework on you, Milo, he gave a few videos to watch to brush up on
A video where four guys are coached, studied up, and fast balling questions, talking over the top of a guy they want to make look bad.
Two minutes ago we used to call that fake news.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:13 amfelipe at 43,
It was a group of Christian Arabs. And what happened is that Cruz started
tellinglecturing them about how wonderful Israel is and they booed him out of the room. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/09/what-ted-cruz-doesnt-want-to-hear-about-arab-christians-110907It could be, as Politico speculates, that it was a stunt by Cruz to build up his pro-Israel credentials. Or it could be that he was in character as the guy who couldn’t get a two-dollar f**k in a twenty-dollar whorehouse.
nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:15 amThat want to reason he was picked, now it is a reason to discuss him, just like some used some of okeefe’s stunts against him.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:17 amfelipe at 43,
It was a group of Christian Arabs. And what happened is that Cruz started
tellinglecturing them about how wonderful Israel is and they booed him out of the room. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/09/what-ted-cruz-doesnt-want-to-hear-about-arab-christians-110907It could be, as Politico speculates, that it was a stunt by Cruz to build up his pro-Israel credentials. Or it could be that he was in character as the guy who “couldn’t get a two-dollar f___ in a twenty-dollar w_____house”.
nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:17 amPoor choice of words when the topic is Milo advocating that young people can think for themselves when it comes to sex with old people.
There’s absolutely NOTHING brave about Milo. He is a coward. Going to a University and saying progressively more nasty and trollish stuff until the university asks him to leave is utterly safe. He is not only going to walk away unharmed, he’s going to be on TV selling his books and making hundreds of thousands of dollars for his martyr status.
If Milo is brave, let him go to the middle east to talk about how he is this ‘dangerous faggot’ or his alt-right white nationalist views on ‘thick-as-pig shit media Jews’. Something tells me he’s not quite that brave.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:19 amActually no Nk this was a stunt arranged by hezbollah frontman and prime lootervof Nigeria, chagoury, who helped make book possible. Through his gifts to the Clinton foundation.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:20 amyou must decide whether that is an opinion that you want representing you as a conservative
no i do not have to
there’s been years and years of bigots parading themselves on and off the cpac stage did i have to decide then if thems were opinions i wanted representing me as a conservative
No!
Sometimes i decided i could support someone if they seemed to have game. Remember how Mr. Scott Walker knocked it out of the park at CPAC in 2016? It buoyed my hopes for America very much.
Then he fizzled.
But Mr. Milo is different cause of he has no designs on public office. He’s outrageous often by design like our friend Madonna, who has it’s fair to say some pretty daffy politics.
But I like her just the same cause of she stands up and says what she thinks and then she dances and sings songs about how papa should not do preachings on her cause of she does not wanna have an abortion.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:22 amThen the Romans/then Italians started the a Greek stuff. Not much different then Mesoamericans saying the same thing against the Caribbean Latinos.
urbanleftbehind (4c9c00) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:22 amThe most shocking thing I’ve ever seen in politics was the full court press by presstitutes of the democratic party teaming up with the so cons to hound Mark Foley out of office, and in the wake gift wrapping a nothing flotsam gossamer nothing of an issue that meant zero zilth nothing and nada to anyone in the real world for the organized crime syndicate called the Democrat party to club their way to a majority with.
Thank you for absolutely nothing.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:24 amI never quite understood what “couldn’t get a two-dollar f___ in a twenty-dollar w_____house” meant, myself, narciso.
nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:26 amhappyfeet,
you are deflecting.
Scott Walker did not criticize people for being jewish. Scott Walker did not advocate for youth sleeping with older men. Scott Walker instead was a conservative governor who worked hard to enact reforms in a state controlled by unionized employees and their unsustainable entitlements.
CPAC, like the GOP has taken a turn towards the Alt-Right. The term Alt-Right is appropriate because you guys are not the conservative movement. We have to either weather the storm with our integrity (as this blog is attempting to do) or take the easy path of partisanship, going with Daddy Trump and defending against even righteous criticism.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:30 amthis list of stuff what “we” have to do, none of it is stuff that i have to do
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:32 amI was just teasing. It’s probably fair to say the ‘Church of No Only You Degenerates Do That’ has a lot of international adherents.
Don’t know about the Chinese or the Persians, but the core of the Ottoman Empire held (at different times) what could be described as ambivalent attitudes about propriety between men and boys.
Doubtless there are Turks who would insist such indiscretions are left over from the Byzantines.
Historically speaking it seems a common enough occurrence, concealed or otherwise, of societies where slavery is openly practiced.
JP (f1742c) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:33 amHow many of you were expecting candy, flowers, a nervous bo ringing the doorbell, and a trip to the sockhop, to be included in the story of Yiannopoulos’ first time?
Raise your hand Pat.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:35 amThanks ‘feets
JP (f1742c) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:38 amWell you did actually take one of those roads. You’re going to deflect or defend anything the alt-right does. You’re going to support Trump to the end. Perhaps this will usher in a new, dumber age in politics, or there will be a swift push against the new GOP (at which time you will tell me that you do not have to take responsibility).
So your actions speak louder than your words.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:38 amI really do think of politicians like I do sports figures.
You do have that part right.
I don’t give a dam if Ron Artest’s live in girlfriend is too lazy to feed his Dalmatians, as long as he deflected the Obamacare bill at the rim.
True.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:47 amMr. Dustin if we go back in time historically over the years in retrospect, one of my most pronounced affinities for the discussings what are to be found here at this blog, has always been how Mr. P and so many of the commenter people were very very open and comfortable with the idea that our pitiful little country was reaching an endgame
for freedom
for prosperity
for liberty and justice for all
the crossing of an event horizon was imminent
and i still belieber that.
i don’t think that Mr. Trump can stop it
but he’s the last hope what God has delivered unto us
and in these grim times
i will not wail against the wind
i will not waste my last efforts doing persecution on invited speakers
i will stand with Mr. Trump
and i will nurture what hope i can
are you with me
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:49 amAthrsim, mans arrogance that there is one road that ends, but I recall a young woman to testified to her Christian epiphany, who went on shows like politically correct and horrors MTV to speak out, and how she was treated on this board, and when most of the charges ended up (reacted) there want a mea culpa
narciso (d1f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:50 amNK,
Thanks for the reminder that a Greek pederast being featured in a Symposium isn’t exactly a new thing. I’ve found the ‘Platonic relationship’ bit rather suspect since perusing the first dialogue.
Rick Ballard (5e8a41) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:55 amI know next to nothing about this area, but did recently hear that Milo had reported pedophiles to the authorities on three separate occasions. FWTW.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:59 amfeets,
You’re right, the GOP’s failings did indeed lead to this disaster.
And no, I’m not with you or the GOP.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:12 am47 is exactly right. This is performance art masquerading as political action.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:12 amThe Platonic relationship is in Phaedrus, in which Socrates tries to talk a young man out of a homosexual relationship. There’s also Gorgias and Alcibiades where it is pretty clear that Socrates did not go in “for that sort of thing”. But you’re right that in Xenophon’s “Symposium” the sexual abuse of the young slave in the theater troupe is talked of matter of factly, as it also is in Xenophon’s “Anabasis”.
nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:14 am50-Dustin-“You failed to refute it and I’m definitely not the left. The way Milo talks about Jews or calls himself a fellow traveler with the alt-right makes my description mild and reasonable.”
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OK, one time. Took me 20 seconds on Google.
Milo at UC Boulder 1/26/17
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“The reality is, if you force everyone to play identity politics, if you insist in pitting whites against blacks, women against men, straights against gays, the reality is you guys are gonna win and the left isn’t going to like it very much,” declared MILO. “But there’s a better way. Don’t fight identity politics with identity politics.”
“White pride, white nationalism, white supremacy isn’t the way to go,” he continued. “The way to go is reminding them and yourselves that you should be aspiring to values and to ideas.”
“You should be focusing on what unites people and not what drives them apart,” MILO concluded. “You shouldn’t give a shit about skin color, a shit about sexuality… You shouldn’t give a shit about gender, and you should be deeply suspicious of the people who do.”
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harkin (fcaff0) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:14 amI know there are countless lefty fake news sites calling him a white nationalist/misogynist/racist but I’ve always heard him spouting the opposite. He’s about western values, not western euro skin color.
Rape victim rationalizes rape in his own mind.
The state gives 13 year old girls consent to abort their babies all day long but not to take 19 year old d*ck.
Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:17 amWhere I find irritation in the OP, however, is this line —
“…you must decide whether that is an opinion that you want representing you as a conservative.“
CPAC is having him as a speaker.
This, exactly. Milo is entiled to his opinion. He can even say (now) that what happened to him at 13 wasn’t a victimization. It’s his life and body.
He can even try to redefine pedophilia to mean something other than it’s common usage.
So long as he doesn’t act on that with little boys and just talks about it to get a reaction (Milo is all about getting reactions), fine.
But I don’t see any need to share the conservative stage with this gaping assh0le.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:17 amAxios is already predicting the speaking invite will be withdrawn.
I’d put money on it. I’d also put money on other speakers staying away if he does speak. Cruz, for example.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:21 am71. “47 is exactly right. This is performance art masquerading as political action.”
I agree partially; there is definitely a performance art aspect to his schtick.
But it’s not a masquerade, IMO he totally believes what he is saying.
Above and beyond that he’s willing to risk harm from the Soros/Obama/DNC goon squads to spread the word.
harkin (fcaff0) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:23 amTrump has a problem here. He marches with a growing posse of Sister Souljahs, and can never find the moment to reject them.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:25 amI see my comment is awaiting moderation im assuming because of profanity in the quotes……
Here it is again, cleaned up a bit:
73.50-Dustin-“You failed to refute it and I’m definitely not the left. The way Milo talks about Jews or calls himself a fellow traveler with the alt-right makes my description mild and reasonable.”
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OK, one time. Took me 20 seconds on Google.
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Milo at UC Boulder 1/26/17
“The reality is, if you force everyone to play identity politics, if you insist in pitting whites against blacks, women against men, straights against gays, the reality is you guys are gonna win and the left isn’t going to like it very much,” declared MILO. “But there’s a better way. Don’t fight identity politics with identity politics.”
“White pride, white nationalism, white supremacy isn’t the way to go,” he continued. “The way to go is reminding them and yourselves that you should be aspiring to values and to ideas.”
“You should be focusing on what unites people and not what drives them apart,” MILO concluded. “You shouldn’t give a s**t about skin color, a s**t about sexuality… You shouldn’t give a s**t about gender, and you should be deeply suspicious of the people who do.”
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harkin (fcaff0) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:28 amI know there are countless lefty fake news sites calling him a white nationalist/misogynist/racist but I’ve always heard him spouting the opposite. He’s about western values, not western euro skin color.
Milo’s just saying this stuff to get unbanned from Twitter.
Prolifer (7638b8) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:40 am“Milo’s just saying this stuff to get unbanned from Twitter.”
Then he’s saying the wrong thing.
Twitter wants him to denounce Trump or be gone forever.
The Leslie Jones deal was just an excuse. They banned him for the tweets of others….and blamed racism.
Harkin (311cb7) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:43 amWhat are the odds that this self promoting glib huckster will become this generations David Brock and end up shilling for the left wing after they pour more money and attention his way?
NC Mountain Girl (bae5bf) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:44 amPresident Trump is now confirmed as a speaker at CPAC.
Dana (023079) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:45 amHarkin, try googling his quotes on Jews..
Patterico (9356e2) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:48 amPatterico, it is absurd to allege that the opinions of others represent me “as a conservative.” I expect that sort of underhanded presumption from fools and presstitutes, and I acknowledge the con has become so ubiquitous as to constitute a commonplace. But you know better.
ropelight (3d74f5) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:49 amWhat are you talking about? He’s only brave in the safe spaces where he knows he’ll walk away. You’ll never see a white nationalist skinny kid like this on the streets of Chicago or Detroit or in the middle east. You see a whole lot of this ‘fake’ bravery in the safest places of our society, and like clockwork the ‘brave’ victim calls himself dangerous on TV and hocks that book. Meanwhile the real brave guys who where it’s not safe.
Harkin, I’m glad you know how to use google, but your efforts fall far far short.
The fact you have to say leftist any time you encounter something that challenges you is a clue that you know you’re wrong. I’m no leftist. I quoted Milo ranting about Jews above, but the comment is in moderation due to how nasty Milo’s language was. He’s a bitter racist. That’s what you’re defending. Saying ‘Fake News Fake News Leftist Leftist’ doesn’t mean you’re not a defender of anti-semitism.
Your reasoning is not unlike the Nazi movement’s. There were and are nuts who would find some nice thing Hitler said and use it as ‘proof’ Hitler wasn’t really racist. This sounds quite a bit like what you’re saying.
My advice: turn your brain on. Milo isn’t the hill to die on. He’s a weasel who is in this for himself like so many pundits. He’s got some serious mental problems, obviously has been traumatized as a child, and even calls Trump “Daddy”. He’s much more valuable to the left than the right, and you’re helping bring your cause down. Having standards isn’t catering to ‘fake news’.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:53 amRopelight speaks more and more like that fellow from Lewes, DE every day. It’s disgusting.
John Hitchcock (edb814) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:53 ampapertiger thinks this is fake news because a guy researched Milo’s views and is challenging them. I guess he thinks the guy in the red mask is part of the leftist media because he doesn’t share Milo’s praise for pedophile priests.
Patterico (9356e2) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:56 amAgreeing with others who posted earlier, ” shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:25 am ” has given a very good analysis.
Additionally, many shrink-type blogs that I’ve visited over the years have mentioned that VIRTUALLY ALL of their homosexual patients had indeed suffered some kind of sexual abuse as children (but I don’t believe they specified how they defined the term “children” – possibly they just meant “under 18” but who knows).
This leads to my belief that the SCOTUS ruling on “homosexual marriage” is a great, great, GREAT
evil, in that the now-legally-recognized “marriage” makes it easier for such deviant individuals to adopt children and bring them up to believe that their bodies are not their own and that it’s GOOD and NORMAL to be depraved.
If there IS a God and an afterlife, every person who enabled and/or supported this ruling will be called to account before their Creator.
Doo-Dah, Doo-Dah (294088) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:02 amIs it absurd to suggest that an invitee to speak at a conservative gathering represent conservative views? If Richard Spencer were invited, would I be the one criticized here because Spencer speaking is not significant? Would SWC “find irritation” with me for suggesting Spencer is not who you want speaking at such a conference? How about David Duke? Is there anywhere we should draw a line?
I might have though it would be at someone suggesting 13-year-olds can be sexually mature and capable of giving meaningful consent to sex with an older man. For some, that is no problem.
Patterico (9356e2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:03 amMany Christians in the Middle East take issue with Israeli military policy, which has made life for Palestinian Christians in their homeland very difficult, and driven many from their homes. “Israel’s policies have led to demographic pressure that’s made the West Bank and Gaza far more Muslim than in 1948,” explained one Middle East analyst.
-Dailycaller
Sounds like a meme to me.
nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:17 am
Narciso is correct.
– Breitbart
Not all is as it seems.
felipe (023cc9) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:09 am#86, From om you John, I’ve come to expect little but underhanded presumptions and sophomoric taunts. Why don’t you read your bible, and try to become the sort of man you profess to admire? Instead of the predictable clown you compulsively reveal yourself to be.
ropelight (3d74f5) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:10 amropelight, are you talking to ME? If so, what is it, exactly, that you are trying to say?
Patterico (9356e2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:12 amnk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:26 am
It means he couldn’t find the value menu at Delmonico’s. I take it you have never been to a $20 cat-house, yeah, me neither.
felipe (023cc9) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:13 amTo me this is sort of a clinical exercise in seeing who will defend what and how. I’m mostly pleased.
Patterico (9356e2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:14 amBingo.
felipe (023cc9) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:15 amThis is so reminiscent of the lead up to Trump during the campagin, when in light of each new revelation about his dishonest and unethical behavior, all culminating with the “p*****” comment, the question became: Exactly what would he have to do for loyalists to denounce him? What line would he have to cross that was a line too far? Given that there really wasn’t a line to many commenters here (short of being caught in bed with an underage boy), it’s completely unsurprising that the Milo situation is also being rationalized and excused.
Question: If, as some have inferred/claimed, that the GOP needs the likes of Milo to draw in new “conservatives,” it’s then reasonable to assume that Milo – to some at least – represents “conservatism”. And if that is so, then what in God’s name are Republicans doing wrong that such an individual is seen as the vehicle necessary to boost the movement?
Dana (023079) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:16 ami don’t really in my life
need to have veto power over who “cpac” invites to speak
i’ve never felt like this was something i needed
going forward, if I do not have veto power over who CPAC invites to speak, I’m gonna be just fine
i remember how last year Mr. Trump didn’t even bother going
he was invited said ok then decided this ain’t worth my time
maybe he’ll go this year maybe he won’t
and we’ll all float on alright
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:17 amMilo is out.
Patterico (9356e2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:18 amTrig Palin disagrees.
Locke (bed0b6) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:18 amwho will nevertrump target next in their disinvitation campaign
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:19 am#95, no, Patterico, my #94 was addressed to John Hitchcock exclusively, and to no one else.
ropelight (3d74f5) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:20 amSoros succeeds. Mission Accomplished!
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:23 amI’m glad you’re criticizing Sullivan for his idiotic trig truther behavior. I wish Trump’s fans would apply that standard to Trump and his side too.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:25 amBrave =/= stupid.
Locke (bed0b6) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:25 amyes yes Mr. Colonel nevertrump just enthusiastically validated one of Mr. Soros’s favoritest speech suppression tactics
this is a good day for Mr. Soros
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:26 amI have seen and heard Milo on YouTube several times and thought he was interesting. I had not seen or been informed he was a child predator before yesterday here at Patterico. As wild and crazy as the kid comes off, and as much as I’d love to see a young guy who can attract young people to conservatism, and especially how he drives the left absolutely nuts a child rapist cannot be our spokesman.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:27 amMr. Milo was never in danger of being your spokesman Mr.Reverend
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:28 amIf Milo were a Trump critic it would be an article of faith among many of the commenters here that he is actively and regularly raping children. Just switch what side he’s on and suddenly Milo is actually the victim of a conspiracy.
Amazing times we’re in.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:28 amnk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:14 am
Right on, nk.
felipe (023cc9) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:29 amI wonder if Trump suggested that Milo would be a problem with his appearance.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:31 amSullivan is still dishing the crazy, over at new York magazine, never fear, Gabriel Sherman who helped gin up a two minute hate against Aires is one of their stars
narciso (55103f) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:32 amThis makes CPAC organizers look foolish. They should have known about this beforehand, they should have consulted with board members beforehand, they should have sought approval from all members. Once again, the Republicans look foolish. This could have been easily avoided had they not tried to bring in a bright, shiny object to draw in more followers. They were willing to forsake principle for bigger numbers. That will always backfire. But this side of the aisle never seems to learn.
Dana (023079) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:33 amIf Roman Polanski were to speak in favor of Trump, I wonder if he’d be allowed back home (and if Meryl Streep would call him rapist).
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:33 amThe thought of Meelo speaking at CPAC is troubling. Who gave the thumbs up?
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:34 amI just watched the video again. I don’t think Milo actually raped any children. He was just making noise, I think. Anyway, he’s too controversial we already have Trump for that. We should get a good conservative like John McCain or Bill Kristol, they’ll tell’em stuff they never heard before. Or not.
#neverMilo #neverTrump #neveralt-right #sameoldcrap
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:35 amOut: 1st Amendment
In: George Orwell
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:36 amDana,
I think you expect too much from the public. What they will hear is that Milo defends homosexual rape and that “Trump’s people” disinvited him when they heard.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:36 amIt also doesn’t mean cowardly.
Milo uses the word ‘dangerous’ to describe himself. He’s clearly a troll and I have no idea if he was sincere in his antisemitism or his comments about sex with kids. He has a habit of not actually being in a situation where any harm can come to him, yet then crying about how he faced these great risks so people need to buy his books.
Your answer to this is pretty sloppy, because actually a lot of what is bravery would be described as stupid to those who have no interest in a cause.
That’s the real reason Milo was kicked out of CPAC. Trolling is a short cut to relevancy for cowards. Andrew Breitbart could walk right into the other side’s press conference and start taking questions, while Milo notoriously cancels interviews with the informed.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:37 amslick willie wants meelo on speed dial
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:37 amHoagie, I would pay money to see Kristol on the same stage as Trump. Maybe he could do the introduction.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:37 amfelipe (023cc9) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:13 am
It could also be argued that “he is the kind of guy who could not get a deal for less than “list price” at a used car feelership, er, dealership” would be a better analogy. Not too smart.
felipe (023cc9) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:37 amThis just in: the Alt Right says the 1st amendment gives trolls a seat at CPAC.
Of course the Founding Fathers would say the 1st amendment gives CPAC the right to not associate with trolls, but I don’t think Trump or his followers are big fans of laws.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:38 amWhen you say outrageous things, be prepared to have them used against you much as a club is used on a baby seal.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:39 amWhere is CPAC being held, Epstein Island?
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:40 amDeport teh little buggerer to Iran and be done with it.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:43 amThe Milo invite seems to have been the brainchild of one guy — ACU Exec. Dir. Matt Schapp.
Maybe he had no idea of the videos you have posted. Probably he should have, but maybe he had no idea.
Once he was “clued in” — it seems ACU Board members seemed to understand the problems — wiser heads prevailed.
Milo was speaking AT a conservative conference that is paid attention to by about .01 of the population.
He was not speaking FOR conservatives.
Suggestions to the contrary are false.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:44 amWhen you say outrageous things, be prepared to have them used against you much as a club is used on a baby seal.
my country tis of thee sweet land of liberty
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:45 amI agree inviting Milo in the first place was rash and foolish, but I fail to see how pulling the invitation perpetuates that perception. Sure CPAC has egg on its face, but allowing Milo to speak at CPAC would have created a circus (which Milo wants) and furthered alienated any Conservative messages that will be put forth at the convention from the general public. This was the right decision.
Sean (1d5074) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:45 amI think this is a great day for personal responsibility.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:45 amOf which CPAC isn’t the federal government. This isn’t a 1st Amendment or Liberty issue, and you know that.
Sean (1d5074) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:46 amI call a foul for an off sides not fair, Dana. Bringing in a “bright, shiny object to draw in more followers” is just good promo. It’s what the left does by exploiting their celebrities and it works. It’s also good business. Somehow you seem to thing it’s required to “forsake principle for bigger numbers” and there is no reason for that to be true.
The point is we really do need to put our case out there to all those kids who only get one side of the story.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:47 amBut Colonel, Milo is just creating jobs.
felipe (023cc9) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:47 amMatt Schlapp and I’ve declared a chubwa on Mercedes Schlapp.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:48 amIn the USA, Milo’s hideous views on Jews and sex with kids merely gets him dis-invited from a major public speaking engagement. And people are free to complain in any stupid way they want.
In Iran, he would be executed, probably by being thrown from a building but possibly worse.
The comparison is an insult to this country’s principles that I hope will outlast the Trump movement.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:48 amSuggestions to the contrary are false.
That does not mean they wouldn’t be widespread.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:49 amYes, Colonel, I get where you’re coming from.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:50 amThere are better spokespeople to put forth that message that don’t have the baggage of Milo. Being a living troll that has a questionable view on man-child relationships is hardly the type of person we need advancing Conservative principles, no matter how many issues he may be “right” about or fight for.
Sean (1d5074) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:50 am88-Dustin said: …….”What are you talking about? He’s only brave in the safe spaces where he knows he’ll walk away. You’ll never see a white nationalist skinny kid like this on the streets of Chicago or Detroit or in the middle east.”
Weren’t you the one ranting for examples of his refuting white nationalism? I do and you ignore it completely. And I’m not sure about the middle east but he much safer in Chicago or Detroit than he would on a college campus, judging by the Soros/DNC goon army’s reaction.
“……I quoted Milo ranting about Jews above, but the comment is in moderation due to how nasty Milo’s language was. He’s a bitter racist. That’s what you’re defending. Saying ‘Fake News Fake News Leftist Leftist’ doesn’t mean you’re not a defender of anti-semitism.”
Milo is part jewish, I will let him criticize some of his people in the PC media cabal without thinking he’s preparing them for the ovens. You are welcome to differ if you really want to hook your trailer to that that fantasy smear.
“……Your reasoning is not unlike the Nazi movement’s.”
Jump, shark, jump!
“…..My advice: turn your brain on. Milo isn’t the hill to die on.”
Milo is not a hill I’m preparing to die on. As smart as he is I think he’s totally liable to say enough outrageous stuff to hurt rather than help the cause of constitutional rights. I just don’t think he’s done it so far.
But thanks for your advice.
harkin (fcaff0) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:50 amOUT: 1st Amendment
IN: Blac Bloc
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:50 amGet the Gold medal winner to speak.
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:51 amIn Iran, he would be executed, probably by being thrown from a building but possibly worse.
Not for the stuff about Jews, he wouldn’t.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:51 am140… careful about that loose shark talk, harkin!
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:52 amYou’re welcome, Harkin!
Good luck with the defending white nationalism thing!
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:53 amNobody ever said he did, Hoagie. The accusation is that he defends sex with underage boys.
Patterico (9356e2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:54 amWith that kind of resume he’s gunning for Mayor of Raqqa.
JP (f1742c) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:54 amTrue.
On Jews, Milo appears to be in line with the government in Iran. But he’s one of those types who talks out of both sides of his mouth. Even on white nationalism he won’t do more than call himself a fellow traveler at times with the alt-right. He wanted to be just bad enough to troll, but still retain that polish for the next stage in his career. And for all I know that may work. It’s not like he won’t get a lot of sympathy from the alt-right for this persection they are pretending is a violation of his 1st amendment civil rights.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:55 amI would be willing to grant Idaho its independence as a white homeland if all that want such would just move there.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:55 amAlthough their meth import bill would be prohibitive.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:56 amWhy wouldn’t it? Are you suggesting Trump wants to kill gays? Or is this just “thrown out there” so leftists can believe Trump wants to kill gats?
I can’t see why it needed to be said in the first place. Well, we survived Bushitler so I guess we can survive your Trumphitler.
BTW, the “Trump movement” is over, we’re in the Trump Presidency. Please keep up, it’s been a whole month.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:56 amLOL
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:56 amAlthough I’ve encountered Milo only once before (on TV following the Left’s suppression of his speaking engagement at UC Berkeley,) on first sight I found him entertaining, if an in-your-face flamboyant poof.
I was sympathetic to his plight, but had no idea of his position on sex with children, nor were any of my very few comments in any way in support of his views. My point was and remains that no one speaks for me, except me, and that I can listen to unsavory speeches without being sullied.
ropelight (3d74f5) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:57 amMilo is part jewish
All except for the part that counts.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:59 amropelight, that’s smart.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:59 amThanks, Hoagie. We are on the same page.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:01 amNorth Korea’s finest news bureau is bringing the heat.
JP (f1742c) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:02 amIf deported to Iran, Milo would mos def be seeing that 12th Magpie at some point.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:03 am“Milo’s money quote, which was edited out of the video, is this:
The law is probably about right, that’s probably roughly the right age. I think it’s probably about okay, but there are certainly people who are capable of giving consent at a younger age, I certainly consider myself to be one of them, people who are sexually active younger. I think it particularly happens in the gay world by the way. In many cases actually those relationships with older men…This is one reason I hate the left. This stupid one size fits all policing of culture. (People speak over each other). This sort of arbitrary and oppressive idea of consent, which totally destroys you know understanding that many of us have. The complexities and subtleties and complicated nature of many relationships. You know, people are messy and complex. In the homosexual world particularly. Some of those relationships between younger boys and older men, the sort of coming of age relationships, the relationships in which those older men help those young boys to discover who they are, and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable and sort of a rock where they can’t speak to their parents. Some of those relationships are the most -”
And this was edited out as well:
“You’re misunderstanding what pedophilia means. Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody 13-years-old who is sexually mature. Pedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty. Pedophilia is attraction to people who don’t have functioning sex organs yet. Who have not gone through puberty… That’s not what we are talking about. You don’t understand what pedophilia is if you are saying I’m defending it because I’m certainly not.”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/257888/
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:10 ami wish elissa would come back
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:14 amSo, it’s good that PP posted the unedited video, not all sites have.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:15 amSo, Milo’s is saying he’s being taken out of context because 13 year-olds that have deeper voices and more body hair than their peers are mature enough to consent to a sexual relationship. A distinction without a difference.
Sean (1d5074) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:16 amWhat was the point of the unnamed sidebar crew mentioning Ann Coulter?
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:17 amSidestepped are the questions about whether giving someone a platform at CPAC has any meaning, and whether inviting Richard Spencer or David Duke would be acceptable.
If a platform at CPAC is not perceived as giving someone a platform to speak in behalf of conservative values then I suppose SWC would be OK with those fellas speaking there too.
Patterico (9356e2) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:24 am@ Dustin, 27:
No, we actually agree. I was simply saying that papertigger was correct in saying that Milo is not a pedophile. Which doesn’t mean he’s not a seriously warped and twisted wack-a-doodle…just not that kind. He still defends sex with underage kids who consent, which we both agree should not be defended, because kids of that age simply can’t consent to anything life-changing.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:28 amthey’ve happily invited plenty of grotesquely intolerant people before for example the odious Maggie Gallagher yuck
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:28 amYou were raised by incontinent wolves weren’t you pikachu:
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=368457
narciso (627bcc) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:39 amDemosthenes, gotcha. Well stated.
I recall the late, great Andrew Breitbart’s anger with CPAC when they excluded GoProud. There was a legit area of controversy the conservative movement should have discussed.
I see no controversy among people who I think are within range of reasonable that Milo’s view on sex with children is wrong. These recent statements wouldn’t do the conference any good. In the place of Milo, they should have a discussion of free speech, as surely that was the only reason Milo was invited. Freedom of speech includes the freedom to not associate with certain things. And it’s also important that students have a chance to disagree and hear those they disagree with. And at the same time, there are cynical folks who see this as a business model, and seek to dominate the discussion in controversy as a way to make some money. It’s an interesting topic that conservatives should talk about.
If they need other ideas there’s always listing the ways to impeach Trump.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:42 amThe problem is more about CPAC than Milo. Who thought it was a good idea to invite him?
The Republican Party is more of a port of call than a home for conservatism these days. Perhaps CPAC as well.
Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:45 amSo if they dis invite the editor of The Weekly Standard is that Kristol nicht?
Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:49 ami heard in the commentings somewhere on instapundit that slurpy egg mcmuffin runs the “reagan batallion” twitter account
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:49 amCPAC disinvites : http://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-milo-yiannapolous-disinvited-from-cpac/
Angelo (8173cc) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:55 am145. Dustin:
“You’re welcome, Harkin! Good luck with the defending white nationalism thing!”
Baseless smear as a rejoinder speaks volumes. thx
harkin (70fe68) — 2/20/2017 @ 11:58 am*battalion* i mean
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:02 pmNo, there’s just literally no way to have a productive conversation with you. I provided proof that he’s made antisemitic remarks. You don’t care. He’s aligned with a white nationalist movement. You don’t care. He’s defended some truly awful behavior with children. You don’t care.
You’re not here to have a conversation with me. Everyone who has a point of view that is critical of Team Trump is automatically a lefty and everything they say is automatically fake news.
I already made it really clear that you’re defending white nationalism, and even gave a clear example of Nazis defending hitler with the same ‘See he’s not racist’ argument you made.
Good luck with that! Personally I’m enjoying a rare day where personal responsibility is #winning.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:05 pmthe new NSA guy seems interesting
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:06 pmAMEN. Would it kill them to have an interview with the guy first? It’s pretty clear he’s a nutcase. I know he was in the headlines recently but sometimes that’s not a good thing.
This appears to be an attempt to avoid personal responsibility on Milo’s part for what he said. It relies on fear of conservatives who do not like Trump. It relies on a very weak rumor. And it sounds awesome even if it’s true.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:07 pmwell is it true or not i tried to ask the googles
i figured some of the slurpers here would know
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:08 pmSome of my best friends are white.
Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:12 pmYeah at Nevertrumperfakenewsolist, we get a free Egg McMuffin for every new follower we get for the Reagan Battalion twitter account. They totally told us it’s that guy running it. He dressed up as the Home Alone kid to distract Milo before CPAC. Mission Accomplished!
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:14 pmDustin
Those CPAC guys vet Syrian refugees in their day job.
Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:14 pmI move we boo this pun
BOOO
JP (f1742c) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:15 pmso you’re saying you don’t know who runs RB
i don’t either but them and Slurpy are super-tight
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:18 pmDustin
To be fair, some attorneys have defended unsavory activities with children.
Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:19 pmi thank god every day them incontinent wolves didn’t raise me up to be no attorney
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:21 pm50-Dustin: Give me an example of Milo refuting white nationalism.
75-Harkin: Here, enjoy.
88-Dustin: I don’t care, Milo is Hitler!
So pure.
btw – my non-white Mother would get a hoot out of your “white Nationalist” rant, if she were still alive.
harkin (70fe68) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:23 pmSadly, too many people defend pedophilia. see the comments on this article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/01/15/texas-teacher-who-had-sex-almost-daily-with-13-year-old-student-gets-10-years-in-prison/?utm_term=.8111b231d862
Sickening
Michael Ejercito (462fbe) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:25 pmThere are a couple of gay guys who appear on Redeye who might be more appropriate if we are down to checking boxes.
I’ve never seen any pictures of Gutfeldt’s wife, come to think of it.
Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:27 pmMeet Greg Gutfeld Model Turned Photo Editor Wife Elena Moussa: Married in 2004. Divorce Rumors?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:29 pmI have, Gutfeld’s wife is of Russian descent.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:29 pm@102
I nominate Donald Trump.
Dave (711345) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:31 pmi don’t get it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:32 pmHey Harkin, there’s really zero reason to lie.
First of all, everything I said is in this thread and anyone can read it so they can see you are a liar. Second of all, it’s OK to have different opinions. There’s no need to ‘win’ by finding some fantasy world where I’ve oppressed you.
Your timeline is fictional. I never challenged to you find an example of Milo refuting white nationalism. That never happened. In fact, what I’ve said is the opposite. Milo’s said obviously antisemitic stuff and called himself a fellow traveler with the white nationalist movement. And your view that this is impossible and he can’t be a bigot because he’s said nice things about different races is exactly a defense the worst racists in history have employed.
You may think this ‘he said something nice’ is an adequate defense of white nationalism or ranting against Jews, but I do not. You may think it’s relevant what race Milo is, but I do not.
As I’ve said, I don’t actually know that Milo is sincere about his views on sex with kids, jews, or white nationalism. I think he’s a troll and I don’t really think it’s worth my time to figure out which of his personas are the ‘real’ him. I also do not think he’s a courageous hero of the right when all he does is troll in the safest places he can find and then run to sell his books.
You’re free to disagree with me about it, but don’t lie about what I’ve said. Learn to use integrity in your interactions, even over the internet with strangers, and you’ll be a better and happier person for it. I suspect very hard times are coming for Trump’s fans. It will be necessary to be very honest about mistakes if the democrats aren’t going to just swoop in and take over on a wave of public sentiment. I could be wrong. I’ve certainly been wrong about Trump before! but if I’m not, you’ll be better off not screaming ‘LEFTY’ ‘FAKE NEWS’ and lying.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:35 pmWell we need to be fair! LOL.
I think Roman Polanski is an idiot if he doesn’t get on the Trump train right now. This is his big chance to get a pardon.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:38 pmRoman Polanski has his own thing going to where he hopes he can…
i have no idea it’s too much reading
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:41 pm“If they need other ideas there’s always listing the ways to impeach Trump.”
Even the Democrat leaders are reportedly trying to steer their fever-swampers from that:
http://hotair.com/archives/2017/02/19/democrats-would-like-their-rabid-base-to-cool-it-with-the-impeachment-talk/
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:45 pmHarkin… trust me, it’s not worth your time or effort.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:53 pmMilo has presents an interesting stream of conservative thought, with wicked comments to mock the “politically correct”. Thus he would be a hot property to appear at CPAC. However, knowing about his aberrant thoughts about sex between men and young boys, we see pollution in that stream of conservative thought, which provides a convenient way for the opposition to discredit him and us. Bottom line: select presenters at CPAC who have the interesting streams of conservative thought without the pollution.
Ken in Camarillo (c5b86d) — 2/20/2017 @ 12:57 pmSimple as that. Unfortunately there are a lot of folks who are rapid to enforce devotion to “Daddy Trump” as Milo calls him. That cuts the field of interesting and unpolluted conservatives considerably. A lot of good conservatives supported Trump as the lesser of evils, but no good conservatives that I know of had no reservations about him. Most actually really dislike him. And that’s an issue the conservative movement has to deal with, head on.
These tools who defend anything Trump and attack anything critical of Trump are corrosive to the cause.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:03 pmThere is a huge and largely unspoken problem with pedophilia by homosexuals and other demographic sub-groups.
It would be nice if this controversy would promote an honest and open discussion of the problem.
ThOR (c9324e) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:16 pmpublic schoolteachers being first and foremost among these sub-groups
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:18 pm@189 Colonel Haiku
Gutfeld’s wife is of Russian descent
Is there any other kind?
Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:25 pmJews are funny. I heard this gal gave her 13 year old dog a bark mitzva.
Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:28 pmJerry Brown would need to pardon Roman Polanski. I think Trump is more likely to send Delta Force after him. Maybe introduce him to pegging.
Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:31 pmi wonder why he wants to come back so bad
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:36 pmDustin
The first thing we need to determine is did Trump (or Milo) actually say x and go from there.
This blog, at least, goes to primary sources and does research.
Nobody should be defending what CNN says Trump said.
Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:39 pmSo is the reverse, Dustin.
I think Trump, the Republicans in general and the conservatives in specific have enough critics among the leftists, gays, moslems, unions, socialists, communists, professors, media, entertainment and deep state without us eating our own to prove how virtuous we are.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:44 pmIf we can invent a matter transporter we could beam Roman Polanski into a wall.
Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:45 pmif CPAC just focuses on spreading the healing love of Jesus’s message of forgiveness then young people will flock to the conservative banner and they won’t even need these self-styled edgy provocateurs who should all burn in hell
so put that in your pipe and smoke it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:48 pmRoman Polanski is 83.
He’s an immigrant rapist what came to our country from a foreign one to rape our children. Back then we were very very against this sort of thing, as a society
Fast forward 40 years and Justin Amash wants to invite hordes of foreign rapefugees into our towns and schools.
Something’s changed.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 2:01 pmThis is a good point. I am trying to find reasons to praise Trump because I don’t want to reflexively bash a guy. The Alt-Right side of things in particular, such as Milo, make it very hard not to fall into that because they are always trying to tick people off. That is Milo’s whole shtick.
Regardless of all that, Trump has done some good in his first month and I hope he’s a successful president even as I have so many problems with him and many of his other decisions.
But I don’t really consider the GOP to be my own anymore. Haven’t since Romney’s nomination and would have given the GOP a tentative second chance had they nominated a Walker or a Cruz but that just isn’t the GOP.
I have no interest in showing folks here my virtue and I realize that’s one of the many Trump era catch-phrases but I don’t even really understand the concept. I am who I am, warts or not. I think folks like Milo should face personal responsibility early and often and I’ve enjoyed how this one unfolded, even if I do agree with Happyfeet that CPAC isn’t exactly focused on the right things anyway.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 2:16 pmCPAC disinvites : http://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-milo-yiannapolous-disinvited-from-cpac/
Oh, CPAC. F-Troop lives.
The invite has been recinded/denied/nulled & voided, eh. Appears the left coast boys and girls at Berkeley were really ‘right’ after all.
“Sarge, who says I’m dumb?!” – Cpl. Randolph Agarn [Larry Storch] ‘F-Troop’ ABC TV 1965-67
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/20/2017 @ 2:20 pmi think the way this has unfolded has been very squicky Mr. Dustin
thoughtcrime persecutions always are i guess
that video Mr. P links with the image of a wee tiny four year old kid is so how to say
effing lurid
like who wants to look at that
but i find myself contrasting Mr. Milo’s transgressions with those of Olga Perez Farias-Smith Williams Gutierrez Walker Unstable Cox
i was super not eager to join in the pile on (you can review the thread) – she’s an ugly stupid woman working at one of those jobs not everyone would be super-excited to do, and all she had done was blither
then I saw where she said this
And I felt so bad for that little Trump kid sitting there in that class.
And yup I joined in the pile-on I sure did.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 2:29 pmwhat sicko volunteered their kid’s pic for that vid anyway?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 2:31 pmProbably that Milo creep.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 2:35 pmyou gotta figure though Mr. Dustin
given the speed with which this played out
the slurpy egg mcmuffin reagan battalion must’ve already been sitting on this stuff ready to go
so… just curious
who knows Team Slurpy well enough to name the slurpers or slurp-symps what will be speaking at CPAC?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 2:35 pmMilo doesn’t have children Mr. Dustin
that kid in the lurid video is somebody’s for sure but def not Mr. Milo’s
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 2:36 pmhere
which ones are Team Slurpy?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 2:37 pmId wager 2 per row (40%)? Lots of reluctant-Trump and Rubio fanboys. Betcha Sheriff Clarke is the next Milo, probably a Gangster Disciple or a Vice Lord. Charlie Sykes the famed Milwaukee conservative radio host, warned him he best stop barnstorming and do his job back in Cheeseland.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 2/20/2017 @ 2:52 pmwell Mr. Gateway helps Mr. urban
he says these speakers at CPAC are nevertrump, which doesn’t necessarily mean Team Slurpy but it narrows things down a LOT…
interesting… only one holds office (harvardtrash ted) … and he’s not really Team Slurpy
I can’t see really that Team Slurpy has *anyone* representing them at CPAC, just from googling the remaining names.
Maybe they’ll be added here soon?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 2:58 pmI guess my theory is busted, feets!
Yes, facts! More!
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 2:59 pmi report you decide
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 2:59 pmWe definitely need more help from Gateway Pundit, White House Press Esq, to unravel the facts!
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:00 pmBTW, this was an excellent example of Alynskism.
“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
NJRob (ae0083) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:04 pmMr. Gateway says they is gonna do cancels on Milo’s book
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:06 pmGateway is probably too busy tossing Twitter crap at new Cardinal Dexter Fowler: http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2017/02/20/dexter-fowler-i-didnt-say-anything-wrong/
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:06 pmHilarious to see the little Leninists who supported last year’s coup led by a Hillary-endorsing, Pelosi-, Reid-, Schumer-, Kerry-, Carter-, Rangel- and Weiner-bankrolling statist Democrat, are now trying to lecture conservatives about ideological purity.
Dave (711345) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:09 pmyou has a very refined sense of humor
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:14 pmIt comes with the ability to conjugate verbs correctly, I guess
Dave (711345) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:21 pmNo, NJRob, this is exactly the opposite of an Alinksy attack. CPAC freaking invited the guy, who had very recently had an interview posted on Youtube where he advocates for sex with kids. And while we can be more sterile in our language here, if you watch the video in its entirely it’s clear Milo is a complete degenerate. He’s awful. No one wants him near their family, let alone on any campus anywhere. He did this to himself. This is personal responsibility at its finest. Yes, his fortunes are diminished as a result of his behavior.
If you want to talk about Alinksy attacks, look at this “Lyin’ Ted!,” day in and day out campaign, attacks on his dad and wife, and the insane way Trump fans defended this behavior in an target who was frozen, personalized, polarized, and ultimately smeared. But like all things, if Trump does it, it’s OK.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:27 pmBut only when Trump does it, of course.
Sort of like playing golf. Obama played his first game of golf as president on April 29, 2009, over three months after taking office. Obama was mocked by Trump and others for his frequent golf outings.
Trump has already been to the golf course 6 times in his first four weeks in office.
*leaps out of the way of the cultist horde rushing to defend Trump*
Dave (711345) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:36 pmobama was mocked cause he was an idiot turd what thought food stamps had multiplier effects
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:39 pmDustin,
I attacked Trump for those actions.
As a reminder of Dave’s “severe conservatism ” he’s bashing Trump and excusing Obama in one sentence. Good job Mr Drywall.
NJRob (ae0083) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:40 pmDustin,
This is Alynsky because Milo has helped catch pedophiles, he’s said the age of consent is correct and he has corrected what was questionable about the tape. But the left and the establishment want to bury him because he’s done an excellent job promoting himself while embarrassing their totalitarian beliefs.
NJRob (ae0083) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:45 pmNJRob (ae0083) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:04 pm
Yes, NJRob. Precisely. I don’t think it was wise to invite teh Milo to CPAC, but I do accept his explanation for his “sloppily pursed” “boys” comment. His lifestyle is so foreign to most of us that it is difficult to relate to it. He is a self-described subversive troll and probably is at his “best” ha! operating at the edges. I watched him interviewed by Maher and on that aftershow segment where he got the far-left alleged comedian Larry Wilmore and far-left alleged CIA operative Malcolm Nance to go after the bait. He’s no conservative, but quite ably and consistently fights against the PC, speech-code nonsense, which is chiefly why I like most of what he does.
Having said that, the Left is smart enough to know who their “real” enemy is and that helps them. We have quite a few people who are self-professed #NeverTrumpers who do their best to diminish the new administration by any means necessary.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:47 pmAs far as Cruz goes, that ship has sailed, at least for a few years.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:48 pmAnd in the age of Obama, we should increase the age of consent to 26. Same with the voting age. If you want to be treated like an infant medically, you aren’t ready for adult responsibilities.
NJRob (ae0083) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:49 pmthe glee with which nevertrump destroyed Milo’s life is kinda scary and sickening
it’s like one of them shunnings in Utah
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:49 pm“sloppily
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:51 pmpursedphrased“… Hahahaha!Bill Moyers did a special on it for the tv
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:51 pm236… and given what the Obama administration tried to do with even heterosexual relationships on college campuses vis-a-vis dating and consent, it apparently needs to be at age 39.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:54 pmDave
When I gave a dollar at Tractor Suppy for the FFA does that make me an Ag bankroller?
Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:55 pmI hope Ted doesn’t push Carly off the stage again. She better eat some Super Beets.
Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:56 pmYeah, who is running the country? Because it seems to me that all Trump is running is his mouth, in-between golf games and weekends at Palm Beach.
nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:58 pm“Dave”… heh… to paraphrase the Good Book. we will always have the clueless.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:58 pmWhy do you lie all the time? Nothing I said excused Obama (I did criticize Trump for being a shameless hypocrite, absolutely).
Just two sentences stating facts, offered without comment.
Since you don’t like the facts, you resort to ad hominem attack and name-calling. Grow up.
Dave (711345) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:02 pmThis McMaster appears to be a good choice for a Natl Security Adviser.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:04 pmI wonder if you can… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqk-CLxrW6s
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:08 pmMr. Trump makes many many good choices
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:14 pmConservatives Have Become What They Hate Most About the Left and I’m Exhausted
Posted at 6:30 pm on February 20, 2017 by Kira Davis
yup.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:19 pm“Harkin… trust me, it’s not worth your time or effort”
Watching it tie itself in knots was a hoot but yeah it gets tedious.
Harkin (311cb7) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:22 pmIf we can invent a matter transporter we could beam Roman Polanski into a wall.
I’d think Uranus would be apt.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:23 pmIt would be nice if CPAC showed Trump the bench that could primary his ass.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:28 pmthis means Mr. Milo gets to keep his quarter mil advance from Simon & Schuster and publish his book himself or somewhere else yes?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:28 pmAce has an interesting take… http://ace.mu.nu/archives/368486.php
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:42 pmTwo minute hates, run longer than expected, when one of these murderous nazguls kills some one, well they will find a rationale for it
narciso (d1f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:55 pmace needs to grow up. Not everyone who is hounded publicly is a victim of the mob, sometimes the outrage is real and well placed. Milo isn’t a nobody on Twitter that made an off color or horrible idiotic joke that was spun into a National emergency by an idiot blogger (hello Justine).
Sean (41ed1e) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:55 pmMr. Ace is an exemplary American and I live him a lot
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:57 pm*love* him a lot i mean
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:57 pmMeanwhile, Rioting Breaks Out In Sweden
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 4:58 pmAwesome, now Trump is causing riots in *other* countries.
Dave (711345) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:06 pmMilo’s recent statement on Facebook is appropriate and I take him at his word.
He never said age of consent laws should be changed so it’s hard to portray his remarks as advocating child molestation, even if he was minimizing the harm in some cases, especially in his own personal case (as a child victim, not as a child rapist).
Milo will survive this. He will stay on at Breitbart. His fans will stick by him. His book will still be published, by someone else (or self-published–then Milo keeps all the money; given the number of pre-orders on Amazon it’s not much of a risk to go forward on his own). He will continue being a shit-disturber, exposing unpleasant truths, saying ridiculous things that are obviously false (even if not everyone is in on the joke–like saying that there’s no such thing as lesbians) and making edgy jokes, some of which cross the line into unpleasantness. He will keep calling out authority figures who misuse their power. In other words, tomorrow Milo will still be Milo.
In #war, you don’t ritually sacrifice your allies just because the enemy demands it
Daryl Herbert (7be116) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:10 pmYa know, we have right now an incredible opportunity to make the radical left irrelevant. Now if you guys could just stop ranting about the Donald and Milo perhaps we can put together a plan to show America just how un-American the left has become. Hell, we may even get new recruits.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:11 pmWell they shot a doc brown student in Washington, trashed telegraph avenue, they would blow up the hotel next, and we knknow how harsh authorities are on those things in maryland
narciso (d1f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:12 pmThe name pin fortuyn. Comes to mind, and how his fate was viewed by the left.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:15 pmhttp://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/20/russians-optimistic-on-improved-us-ties.html
“All I have to do is take off my shirt and Donald Trump will give me anything I ask for”, said Vladimir Putin.
(I do not vouch for the accuracy of that quote.)
nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:16 pmSure running with a lot of gay themes lately there…
Just sayin’…
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:17 pmAnd its been a running street battle for the better part of a week, in those none existent no go zonrs
narciso (d1f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:21 pmInaris, in Paris, its more like the strain in Malmk.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:40 pmSean,
Ace is a coward and it’s incredibly sad seeing what’s happened to what used to be probably the best conservative blog, period. I guess he must really need this income and it’s just a business to him, rather than a passion like this blog is, but he’s gone the cowards way on a lot of things.
If you even quote his commentary on Trump during the primary, or his commentary on the cowardice of not standing up to Kimberlin, you will almost certainly be perma-banned.
You can tell when Trump’s defense force is really tied up because you’ll start to see his soulless cheerleading quoted ad nauseum. Trump’s fans are banking on the credibility ace earned through years of excellent blogging, but it’s already gone. No one cares what Ace has to say about anything, unless you are, of course, a Trump fan.
Harkin, I love that you say I’m tied in knots when I simply called you a liar and pointed to this thread so folks can look. Your only fan in this thread is also a pretty notorious liar, who seems to like the taste of my ankles for some reason.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:45 pm(In the minds of some, I guess this furthers the predominant theme, Coronel)
With regard to muslim riots in Europe, when Straight Outta Compton policing is not an option, go right to the last battle scene in The Last Samurai: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCtuZ-fDL2E
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:51 pmJarod isn’t working for subway, maybe the republicans could fit him in at cpac.
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:52 pmtowards the rear end of the show.
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:53 pmJimmy John’s, in the spirit of Sprint hiring the former Verizon “hear me now” guy, should hire Jarod for a commercial scripted as such: “its not just fast, its FREAKY fast” – then he opens one of the sandwiches that has sprouts and says “if there’s grass on the field….”.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:03 pmCourtesy of MichelleMalkin.com, this is pretty funny:
An alternate-reality website where Clinton really DID win the election…
Dave (711345) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:06 pmAs if we forgot Kevin Jennings who made olicy at the education dept or bundled Terry bean, or the scandal surrounding bryan singer
narciso (63624e) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:25 pmIf only.
Sometimes I think people are so used to losing that they actually prefer it. Gives them an excuse to complain and say woe is me.
We definitely see victim status lauded on the left. Looks tempting to some I guess.
The best thing Milo does is take one of the lefts’ shibboleths and shove it in their face.
NJRob (ae0083) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:26 pmSays a lot more about you than him. He understands what the goal is, which is breaking the power of the left. Freedom doesn’t exist without it.
He hasn’t lost his voice. Where’s yours?
NJRob (ae0083) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:29 pm@ Dustin, #268:
I’ll attest to that. Although, to be fair, I finished my time there by not only mentioning Ace’s backpedalling…again…but also by telling him to do something anatomically improper to himself with a corkscrew.
So, yeah. I don’t hold a grudge. And I still go there every once in a while, just to see how he’s eloquently sold his soul today. But all he’s managed to prove to me is that the more someone talks, the easier it is for them to talk themselves out of the truth. I’ve got no regrets, and I’d never be a part of that Mos Eisley of a comments section again.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:36 pmTrumpH8er’s take is telling. I read that entire post from Ace about Milo and it seemed fairly non-commital – and slightly negative – about him as a person or media figure but counseled that it would be wise to be careful when using the tactics of the Left as they can quite easily be turned on them.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:45 pmThat was my take as well Colonel.
NJRob (ae0083) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:51 pmThe tactics of the Left would be the Left threatening CPAC if Milo showed. Neither that, not the fear of that, was what cause the disinvite. Instead the SPONSORS asked themselves if they wanted to be associated with Milo and the found they did not. I suspect also that one or more people they DID want let them know that they didn’t care to share the stage with an apologist for little boy rapers.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:00 pmInteresting take at the beginning of the Ace piece:
“PAC is now in the strange position of having invited someone precisely because he was not permitted to speak on college campuses due to his controversial statements, and yet now having banned him from speaking there due to his controversial statements.”
Hello! Milo wasn’t prevented from speaking at Cal because of his statements or institutional censorship but because the lawless mob resorted to arson, vandalism and other violence to silence someone who shines the light on the statists.
One can certainly say that Milo caused his own slide here. The main point will be if he learns to drop the immaturity and grandstanding because the torch-carriers will forever apply a double standard.
When Trump (who once again I did not vote for) was deemed dead man walking by the chattering class after the “pussy” tape was stratigically exposed to maximize effect, the American people shrugged and still refused to elect the (with the possible exception of Barack Obama) most corrupt person ever to run for President.
Hopefully Milo will tighten his delivery and continue to contribute on a grand scale – he really is great at making the real liars’ heads spin.
Harkin (9d2fbb) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:08 pmLike I say, that would be the next level of escalation,
narciso (5b08d6) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:12 pmMeanwhile, NBC celebrates the molestation of kids’ minds:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/13668/nbc-releases-two-propaganda-videos-featuring-hank-berrien#.WKuI7lXs4Xw.twitter
Harkin (9d2fbb) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:20 pmAnd just as Salon joins the destroy Milo lynch mob, they conveniently delete all columns by actual pedophile Todd Nickerson
http://www.salon.com/topic/todd_nickerson/
Harkin (9d2fbb) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:28 pmEd Schultz is speaking at CPAC.
Do I have to claim him as “representing [me] as a conservative”?
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:57 pmmelee is sick and needs help.
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:09 pmmeelo
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:10 pmRomans 1 had the number of the nature of our malaise, those who recite it misapply the penalty, 2 Timothy is also valuable for understanding.
narciso (87093d) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:28 pmPlease don’t be a dupe.
“The issue is never the issue; the issue is POWER.”
SOUND FAMILIAR?!?
It’s about taking down Trump…not pedophilia.
Kauf Buch (1a1354) — 2/21/2017 @ 3:12 amStop taking the bait.
Why would anyone be involved with melee now that he has been exposed as a freak?
mg (31009b) — 2/21/2017 @ 3:30 amI was surprised to see he booked a press conference for today
His fate is way more in the hands of the people at Breitbart than his own i think and they’ve been very very quiet over there
they haven’t scrubbed him from the site yet
Paula Poundstone was able to ride out a sorta kinda but not really analogous situation many moons ago but a lot by blaming everything on alcoholism.
Plus that was 20 years ago
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/21/2017 @ 5:17 amThere had already been, in the webosphere, concerns expressed by true/actual white nationalists about Milo becoming a fellow traveler. Dropping him may actually reinforce that narrative about Breitbart.
urbanleftbehind (65de78) — 2/21/2017 @ 5:42 amOnly because he’s a self described “conservative faggot”. If he were a noble leftist Gay he would need civil rights and an annual parade of perversion.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/–ifhFsYKhTc/WKuFOzvgLRI/AAAAAAABGKc/Kvj3kHf_CCE1f8kbVinxZhSqxqc3zhySwCLcB/s1600/1ninetymiles0iLxY1r3xzouo1_1280.jpg
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/21/2017 @ 5:43 amWhen did “white nationalist” meaning a white person who loves his country, any country, become synonymous with “white supremacist” who is a racist believing whites should be supreme over other races? We got to stop allowing the left to define the meaning of words.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/21/2017 @ 5:48 amRushdie said much the same things about Thatcher, some thirty five years ago, then he required the protection of special branch and changed his tune
narciso (966230) — 2/21/2017 @ 5:52 amOpen borders crowd on the right likes conflating the two terms.
NJRob (43d957) — 2/21/2017 @ 5:57 amWe need to stop letting the left tell us that David Duke, Donald Trump, and Milo whatever his name is are bad guys just because they say and do bad things.
You can tell it’s no big deal because of how the left is mad about it and we’re all partisans.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:07 ami’m liking the nikki haley way more better than i expected
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:14 amDavid duke is a non entity, he’s been chased out of eastern Europe, Russia even the mullahs don’t want him crashing on their couch,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:16 amhe looks super creepy now too
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:18 amWhite Nationalist is correct with regard to Richard Spencer. Hoagie, you are correct in that Steven Bannon is simply a Nationalist who is white.
urbanleftbehind (65de78) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:20 amYeah but he’s a major Trump supporter. Gotta admit it. He’s the Alt Right. He probably has sex with farm animals, which is better than the Alt Right element that has sex with children I guess.
I’m embarrassed for you guys to be represented by such major figures of hate.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:21 amAn explanation of the difference between racists and the alt-right.
Oh but the source on that is fake news. I mean it’s Brietbart.
Ben Shapiro
Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:24 amnonono the alt right means an alternative to sclerotic establishment losers like Mitch McConnell and Jeb Bush and anyone what ever joined a “gang of n” it has nothing to do with doing racism on anybody
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:25 amCannon gave schweitzer room to research the clinton foundAtion, he has a Mexican correspondent that covers the fetid abbatoir that pens nueto has turned Mexico into,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:36 amhttp://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-supreme-court-border-shooting-20170221-story.html
o.t.
EPWJ (42f585) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:42 amDustin,
are you ever going to speak about Black Lies Matter the way you speak about the Alt-Right?
Do you have any interest in preserving Western Civilization? What is your goal to keep calling a large segment of the right as racist?
NJRob (43d957) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:43 amTusk was the previous polish president who took over when the entire ptevios gift died near Katy, councidenve
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/21/hungary-unites-poland-beat-brussels
narciso (d1f714) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:45 amGangbanger murders cop. For some reason the name is withheld. Wonder why?
NJRob (43d957) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:45 amThey are somelivesmatter, mostly those of career criminals, they don’t give a tinkers over the 752 deaths in Chicago last year
narciso (d1f714) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:49 amNow every other series on Spanish TV is about drug trafficker
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/02/20/graphic-cartel-kingpin-manhunt-triggers-infighting
narciso (d1f714) — 2/21/2017 @ 7:03 amI guess its racist to point this out, how spiking the ball over in Mexico, diesnt work any better than over here.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/21/2017 @ 7:06 amYou notice how Dustin just mixed in the alt-right? Then gave two quotes without links to check them out. Then suddenly: “I’m embarrassed for you guys to be represented by such major figures of hate.” popped out. I can’t tell if he was referring to Spencer, Bannon, David Duke, Donald Trump or Milo the Greek. But apparently since they’re not leftists they’re phuking farm animals and raping children.
We weren’t aware a politician had a choice in who “supports” him. Should we start naming communists, Nazis and terrorists who support democrats? Do we have the space?
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/21/2017 @ 7:06 amAnd a possible Con Air reboot:
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/21/2017 @ 7:09 amhttp://dailycaller.com/2017/02/21/dhs-sec-to-travel-guatemala-to-oversee-deportation/
One could also accuse Breitbart of fomenting the cause that was the pre-cursor/previous employer to/of Los Zetas, the northeastern Mexican secession movement. Telemundo’s over-doing it on that front, they may have the better eye candy, but I like the fresa style of Univision’s prime time offerings more.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/21/2017 @ 7:13 amI believe his mission is accomplished, NJRob. Perhaps we should get a petition on Change.org like the one recently created by a person named Marcus Aurelius, asking billionaire leftist hypocrite, J.K. Rowling to house “Muslim refugees in her 18 spare bedrooms” — for Dustin so he too can show his commitment to the moslem and immigrant hordes. Or is he now an “alt-right”, another made up term meaning whatever the left wants it to mean at the time?
Every time a leftist opens their mouth about immigration ask them how many immigrants they are housing and would they like you to call ICE and offer their house.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/21/2017 @ 7:18 amNo just pointing it out, univision is sinkining like its new acquisition gawkier and the onion.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/21/2017 @ 7:18 amThe zetas, are former Mexican swat and Guatemalan sociasl forces that decided to cut out the middle man, and go into distribution on their own
narciso (d1f714) — 2/21/2017 @ 7:21 amIt’s the conflating that results from a cluttered thought process, Hoagie. Much like Milo, he has issues.
Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1) — 2/21/2017 @ 7:22 amTo the one who took him in and cared for him and spent so much in order to give him the life he deserves.. God is watching and he will watch over you and your family forever and shower you with blessings..Not all of us can do what you did.
vuduyaxi (168950) — 2/21/2017 @ 7:27 amHERE*************** www.4jobshoney.Com <=====
It’s deeply disturbing. I just want to understand the endgame. Have people say what they want honestly. No more name calling and guilt by association.
NJRob (43d957) — 2/21/2017 @ 7:27 amBetween that and Mexican Elvis tributes, univision has jumped the shark,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/21/2017 @ 7:29 am“If the left is against it then we’re for it.”
“What is this ‘it’ we’re supporting?”
“It doesn’t matter. We’re for it.”
“Okay, include me out of this stupid tribe.”
SteveMG (ea62d2) — 2/21/2017 @ 7:52 amI suspect that you guys get it, you’re not dumb, but refuse to admit it. Milo didn’t get his tit caught in the wringer because of what he is. His views and predilections are an issue because he got on his high horse and went around lecturing people, college kids at that, about what is good and what is bad. “Dude, you’re a f____ing weirdo. Don’t go telling us and our kids things.” Hmm?
nk (9faaca) — 2/21/2017 @ 9:11 amRight as of those are foreign experiences on American unibersities
narciso (31d00b) — 2/21/2017 @ 9:15 amDead wrong nk.
NJRob (ae0083) — 2/21/2017 @ 9:46 amSorry nk, Milo got his tit caught in the wringer because he is our faggot, not their faggot. If he was wearing a pussy hat and screaming “we are all moslems” he would be invited to every talk show, college and kindergarten graduation. If the was this guy with an anti Trump message he’d be UC Berkeley’s valedictorian:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-agMZFaIQ7AI/WKuSuiuCkzI/AAAAAAABfNI/ED4SlThcXOkaSUl63f_V2WDTjbNYEtt2gCLcB/s1600/daily_picdump_2440_02.jpg
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/21/2017 @ 10:00 amSorry, that should read:
“If HE was this guy with an anti Trump message he’d be UC Berkeley’s valedictorian:”
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/21/2017 @ 11:16 amNo. Would it be OK with you if I objected to his speaking there, since it’s supposed to be a conservative conference?
I get it, though. He’s from Russia Today, so that will make Trump feel at home.
Patterico (115b1f) — 2/21/2017 @ 9:15 pm