The Jury Talks Back

2/19/2017

Milo on the Joys of Young Boys Having Sexual Relationships with Older Men (UNEDITED VIDEO)

Filed under: Uncategorized — Patterico @ 11:04 pm

Milo Yiannopoulos will speak at CPAC (although he is not, as some have reported, the keynote speaker.)

A controversy has arisen concerning his comments suggesting that 13-year-old boys can consent to sexual relationships with older men; that sexual attraction to “sexually mature” 13-year-olds is not pedophilia; and that sexual relationships between young boys and older men can be “hugely positive.”

Milo has posted a statement that claims that the controversy arises out of “selectively edited videos.” (He does acknowledge some “sloppy phrasing” too.)

I thought it might be a public service, then — if a somewhat distasteful one — to publish a lengthy transcript from a video that appears unedited to me. The following excerpt is about four minutes in length, and you can navigate in the video to watch the whole 2 3/4 hour video if you wish. Make up your own mind about whether Milo Yiannopoulos appears to advocate older men having sexual relationships with boys as young as 13.

And if it appears that he does, you must decide whether that is an opinion that you want representing you as a conservative. [Discussion is NSFW.]

PaulsEgo: The whole consent thing, for me, is, it’s not this black and white thing that people try and paint it. Are there some 13-year-olds out there capable of giving informed consent to have sex with an adult? Probably. But I was also a 13-year-old. I hung around with 13-year-old guys, you know, when I was 13, and there were some of them that still thought girls were f*cking icky at 13. Like not many, but like, they were just coming out of that phase. I don’t know that I was ready at 13 to get f*cked in the *ss by a 28-year-old black drag queen is what I’m saying. So, you can’t, the reason these age of consent laws exist is because we have to set some kind of a barometer here.

Yiannopoulos: I completely understand…

PaulsEgo: We’ve got to pick an age and go, okay, look, this is the age where we can reasonably be assured you’re an adult, you can give informed consent, you understand the risks of pregnancy, all that bullsh*t.

Yiannopoulos: Of course, of course, and I think the law is probably about right, that’s probably roughly the right age, I think it’s probably about okay, but there are certainly people who are capable of giving consent at a younger age, I certainly consider myself to be one of them. People who are sexually active younger. I think it particularly happens in the gay world, by the way. And in many cases, actually, those relationships with older men — this is one of the reasons I hate the left, this sort of stupid, one-size-fits-all policing of culture, this sort of, this arbitrary —

Ben: You know, Milo —

T.J.: Let him talk.

Ben: Oh, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I was just —

Yiannopoulos: This arbitrary — I’m just gonna — I’ll be quick. This arbitary and oppressive idea of consent which totally destroys, you know, the understanding that many of us have of the complexities and subtleties and complicated nature of many relationships. You know, people are messy and complex, and actually, in the homosexual world particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men, those kind of coming-of-age relationships, the relationships in which those older men help those young boys to discover who they are, and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable — a sort of a rock for when they can’t talk to their parents. Some of those relationships are some of the most —

Unknown: It sounds like priest molestation to me.

Ben: It sounds like Catholic priest molestation to me.

Yiannopoulos: And you know what? I am grateful for Father Michael. I wouldn’t give nearly such good head if it wasn’t for him.

Ben: Oh, my God. Oh, my God, I can’t handle it.

Unknown: What is wrong with you, Ben? Come on?

PaulsEgo: It’s funny because Ben gave me some homework on you, Milo, he gave a few videos to watch to brush up on my Miloisms, and one of the things you said in one of these clips was that transgenderism is the new, you know, frontier of, you know, rights, my wording is bad here, but, um, you know, it’s the new frontier of social progress and the next thing in line is gonna be pedophilia – and yet, here you are talking about how, look, you know, some of these kids that get diddled by these priests, I mean, it’s a good thing for them! They’re getting this love! Now they are also getting a d*ck —

Yiannopoulos: You’re misunderstanding what pedophilia means. Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to someone 13 years old who is sexually mature.

PaulsEgo: OK, ephebophilia or whatever.

Yiannopoulos: Pedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty. Pedophilia is attraction to people who don’t have functioning sex organs yet, who have not gone through puberty, who are too young to be able to understand the way their bodies —

Unknown: Ann Coulter.

Yiannopoulos: That is not what we’re talking about.

T.J.: Ann Coulter.

PaulsEgo: Sure, granted.

Yiannopoulos: You don’t understand what pedophilia is if you think that I’m defending it, ’cause I’m certainly not.

PaulsEgo: No, no, no. I’m not saying you’re defending it, I’m saying you’re walking the borderline.

Yiannopoulos: No it’s not. You said I was defending it, and you’re wrong.

PaulsEgo: OK, OK, fine. I retract my statement, Milo. I retract my statement. I shan’t slander you further. But you are advocating for cross-generational relationships here, can we be honest about that?

Yiannopoulos: Yeah, I don’t mind saying, I don’t mind admitting that, and I think particularly in the gay world – and outside, the Catholic Church, if that’s where some of you want to go with this – I think in the gay world, some of the most important, enriching and incredibly, you know, life-affirming, important, shaping relationships very often between younger boys and older men, they can be hugely positive experiences for those young boys, they can even save those young boys from desolation, from suicide, from drug addiction, all those things, provided they’re consensual. Provided they’re consensual.

Manufactured controversy or genuinely disturbing and immoral nonsense? You be the judge.

UPDATED to correct one line from PaulsEgo.

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

11 Comments »

  1. Well that’s not good.

    I think a lot of these guys learned from Westboro. Be offensive enough to get good people to try to shut you down. Then cite your civil rights and use the notoriety of what a victim you are.

    Thrown in the mix is that democrats are trying to shut this pervert down, and to at least 25% of voters, if democrats hate you, you must be good. That’s a lot of book sales!

    Comment by Dustin — 2/20/2017 @ 6:13 am

  2. “Arbitrary and oppressive idea of consent”?

    That sounds like he’s saying even more than that capacity to consent shouldn’t matter, or shouldn’t be tied to age. (Which of course is bad enough.) That sounds almost like he’s saying: consent itself shouldn’t matter.

    Maybe that’s just the famous “sloppy phrasing.”

    Or maybe it’s the famous sloppy thinking that often goes in tandem with sloppy phrasing.

    Or maybe it’s something worse.

    Comment by gwjd — 2/20/2017 @ 1:36 pm

  3. That is utterly disgusting.

    Okay, technically, he’s right that pedophilia refers to pre-pubescent, but good grief, he’s excusing sexual molestation/rape!

    He’s also slandering gay people, who are no more prone to that kind of thinking than straight people are.

    If a lefty said the exact same thing, surely the right would rip them to shreds? So why not on this? Wrong is wrong.

    Comment by Arizona CJ — 2/20/2017 @ 1:48 pm

  4. It would be nice if someone called him out on his wrong-headed views of child exploitation when he gives his speech. Standing up to bad ideas is a good, conservative thing to do.

    Comment by DRJ — 2/20/2017 @ 2:34 pm

  5. Milo is out because of this video. I bet Patterico’s post and transcript helped bring attention to this.

    Comment by DRJ — 2/20/2017 @ 6:56 pm

  6. Arizona CJ – because this political moment is tribal and for a lot of people, anything anyone in their tribe does is forgivable and any attacks from outside the tribe are per se wrong.

    Comment by aphrael — 2/20/2017 @ 10:15 pm

  7. aphrael, no offense intended, but I’d very much like you to be wrong on this.

    I don’t think you are though.

    Comment by Arizona CJ — 2/21/2017 @ 12:31 am

  8. “The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could, in which a woman recalls memories of traumatic sexual experiences in her childhood and a self-described “positive healing” sexual experience in her adolescent years with an older woman. This particular skit has sparked outrage, numerous controversies and criticisms due to its content, among which the most famous is the Robert Swope controversy (see below). In the original version, she is 13, but later versions changed her age to 16. It also originally included the line, “If it was rape, it was a good rape”, which was removed from later versions.” – from Wikipedia entry on The Vagina Monologues

    Just something that came to mind when reading about this story. Now watching to see if Milo and the Eve Ensler, author of The Vagina Monologues, will be held to the same standard, and face a similar fate. The Monologues came out in 1996, and I note from Wikipedia’s entry on Ms. Ensler:

    “Eve Ensler (born May 25, 1953) is an American playwright, performer, feminist, and activist, best known for her play The Vagina Monologues. In 2006 Charles Isherwood of the New York Times called The Vagina Monologues ‘probably the most important piece of political theater of the last decade.’

    In 2011, Ensler was awarded the Isabelle Stevenson Award at the 65th Tony Awards, which recognizes an individual from the theater community who has made a substantial contribution of volunteered time and effort on behalf of humanitarian, social service, or charitable organizations.”

    Comment by Quibus Vigilius — 2/21/2017 @ 2:00 am

  9. That is a very good point, Quibus.

    Comment by DRJ — 2/21/2017 @ 6:26 am

  10. Trump has very vocal, intense support from some online commenters. Who are they and is there anything they have in common?

    For instance, are people who live in blue/purple states more desperate to change politics so they view Trump as willing to shake things up? And are rural voters and blue collar workers among his more intense supporters?

    Comment by DRJ — 2/21/2017 @ 6:43 am

  11. Arizona CJ: no offense taken! *I* would very much like to be wrong on this.

    The last year has been … instructive … unfortunately.

    Comment by aphrael — 2/21/2017 @ 8:36 am

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