I did what?
I’m sorry, JeffyG, but fuck you.
No. I’m sorry, that isn’t quite accurate…
Fuck you, you lying mother fucker.
As I noted elsewhere, Marc’s references to my having told a few people over the years that if I ever met we’d not spend time talking suggests to me that Marc’s read more ABOUT those instances than he is familiar with how they came about. And that’s fine: if he wants to make judgments second hand, that’s his right. The only problem is, to do so is to risk getting the facts wrong, and so publicly condemning someone over something you know little about.
Or, he could be absolutely right. Trust me, asshole, if one knows you in even the most minute way, condemning you is where the safe money is, if they have even the barest trace of integrity.
Over the years, I’ve had people threaten my son, wish me and my family death from cancer, or in airplane crashes, etc. I have made it clear — first by attempting to use the legal system — that attacks on my family are off limits. I have, on rare occasion, responded to what I considered the most egregious of those types of comments by letting the persons writing them know that, should I meet them in person, I wouldn’t hesitate to snap their forearm or break their ankle.
First, let me say clearly, and without equivocation: threats against someone’s family are not merely “not ok”, but utterly and completely wrong, and can not be forgiven. While I loath certain people, threatening their family is not something I would ever do, nor would I ever condone it.
That being said, for this fuck-stick – this seeping anal-wound that attempts to pass himself off as an actual and worthwhile human being – to try and claim he only threatens people who have made threats first is an utter and complete fucking lie.
I welcome anyone who can find a single instance where I have threatened JeffyG’s family, let alone JeffG at any point prior to 1:18am on December 14th, 2009.
As a reminder, he said “Scott Jacobs is one of those guys I mentioned that if I ever met him in person, I’d leave him in a heap, mewling like a baby pussy.”
I don’t apologize for that. I don’t go looking for these people, and to date — having run a blog for close to 9 years — I haven’t yet had a single altercation.
I know you haven’t. There is a reason I wasn’t fearful when I accepted your challenge, JeffyG. People like you are only brave when you have the safety of distance to rely upon. “Internet courage” is hardly something I am unfamiliar with – If I had a dollar for every time I’ve been threatened by some moronic pile of shit would wouldn’t even bring himself to look me in the eye (let alone take a swing at me) were we to meet in person, I would be a wealthy man.
To be sure: JeffyG’s modus operandi is to first attempt to gain his opponent’s submission by outing their identity. He’s done it to Fritz, and he’s outed nk’s first name in the hopes of causing them at least some sort of harm – whether merely societal/professional, or in the hopes of physical harm coming to them I do not know and will not further speculate upon. In my case, that wasn’t exactly an option – it is hard to out someone’s identity when they publicly operate under their real name.
And thus, he went to Plan B – threats of violence. I’m sure he was at the least a bit perplexed when I accepted his kind offer. I’m more than aware that there are people alive – a great many people, in fact – that could easily kick my ass. I am not, however, about to back down when threatened – if my ass gets kicked, then so be it…
I just don’t think that JeffyG is one of those people, even if I thought he had the balls to follow through.
So, in closing, JeffyG is a lying fuckwad, a dishonest asshat, and a waste of air.
Fuck you, JeffyG.
Does the claim made in the first sentence mean that all of those referred to in the third sentence have threatened Jeff’s family? Take careful note of the latter part of the first sentence, with particular attention to the last few letters.
Fuckity fucking fuck. And thank you for your time.
Comment by Pablo — 3/29/2010 @ 7:41 am
I think we should stop this “You’re a poopoohead” — “Well, you’re a doodyhead” stuff.
If Jeff and I ever get to meet each other at one of JD’s getogethers, I’ll buy him the cocktail of his choice. (But I think absinthe is illegal in Illinois, so it’ll have to be Laphroaig or Bombay Sapphire or some such other horrible foreign stuff.)
Comment by nk — 3/29/2010 @ 1:44 pm
You wanna play this game, fuckwad? Fine by me.
“etc”, in this case refers to “other means of death”. JeffyG could also have said “Over the years, I’ve had people threaten my son, and wished death upon me and my family in many way, including but not limited to cancer or airplane crashes” and the meaning of the sentence would have been unchanged.
In the third sentence, he begins his defense of violent threats with the phrase “what I considered the most egregious of those types of comments”, which anyone who isn’t a fucking retard (of course this does mean I must excuse you, I suppose) means that the stated actions that follow – snapping forearms or breaking ankles – are reserved for people who make statements like he outlined in the first sentence.
Find me on instance where I threatened his family, fuck-face. I suggest you do so, because JeffyG said he only threatens those who have done so. He threatened me, so somewhere he must be able to find proof that I’ve threatened him or his family.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 3/29/2010 @ 2:05 pm
Thankfully I’m unlikely to ever attend such a gathering, nk.
I fear I wouldn’t care for much of the company, mores the pity.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 3/29/2010 @ 2:15 pm
The last one I was at, they were a great bunch of people and all from PW. You’ll like all of them, even happyfeet (but be sure to tell him that the NPR you listen to is the one in Urbana-Champaign and not the one in Chicago
).
Comment by nk — 3/29/2010 @ 2:50 pm
I’m having a hard time thinking of any regulars from PW I would even want to be in the same building with…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 3/29/2010 @ 2:58 pm
if you ever make it out to LA Scott, you can come drink at my place, with the proviso that if you get out of line i’m throwing you in the pool. %-)
pw = protein wisdom?
Comment by redc1c4 — 3/29/2010 @ 11:05 pm
Woo! Drunken pool toss!!
And yeah, that’s what PW stands for.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 3/30/2010 @ 3:55 am
I wouldn’t buy Scott a cocktail. I’d buy him a beer.
You get it? Because it’s more manly.
I really feel awful for Jeff. He’s a smart guy who has so much compensation for his faults that he keeps screwing himself. He lies an awful lot, and he quits a lot, and he is really ugly to people who beat him in a debate (even when they didn’t know it was about winning so much as discussing).
He’s not a genius, and I think that’s the source of the problem. He’s just smart enough to be deluded into thinking he’s brilliant. He says many obvious things about intent and speech and then thinks it’s earth shaking to readers who already knew that stuff when they were learning to ride bicycles.
Anyway anyway anyway, he’s an ugly piece of shit. I feel sorry for him because he’s really miserable. I stop by his blog every few months, and it’s always some incredible misery. Everyone has a period of that, but most get over it.
RSM, for example, was unhappy for a little while and reacted by working hard and insisting on being a happy conservative blogger. He’s a real man, and despite the original comments that I found to be misguided, he’s got what it takes to be a persistent force. He has no illusions that he’s some kind of savant, either, because he’s not pathetically trying to mend his ego like Jeff.
RSM doesn’t threaten people, either.
Sadly, what would have been a really productive discussion of RSM’s ancient comments (timely because of all the race baiting lately), was completely overwhelmed by Jeff’s pathetic attempt to be the professor and the thug bully.
Protein Wisdom is a cheerleader comment blog that modified my comments when I commented there respectfully. Anyone who claims it’s marvelous is just trying to be a dick. NK, while I think he’s smart sometimes, often does try to be a dick. I guess I do too, so no judgment there.
Comment by dustin — 3/30/2010 @ 11:02 am
“Cocktail” can be used euphemistically to mean any drink of hard liquor including “four fingers of redeye”.
Comment by nk — 3/30/2010 @ 11:09 am
This is gonna leave a mark.
Comment by smooth move exlax — 3/30/2010 @ 8:56 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A mark? What mark?
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 3/30/2010 @ 9:40 pm
Good thing, too, or you’d be judging the hell outta me for DAYS man.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 3/30/2010 @ 11:17 pm
It seems like some insignificant, wounded little boy has some issues to work out over something mean Jeff once said to him. Obsess much?
Comment by Don Draper — 3/31/2010 @ 5:22 am
Hi there, PW person.
I can’t help but be amused that your herd has decided to come here and insult me.
Still waiting for one of you losers to show me where I threatened either JeffyG or his family, and thus was deserving of his threat.
I suspect that I shall be waiting for some time.
And for the record, had JeffyG not claimed to only have made threats towards those who threatened him and his, I really would never have responded to his words. His claim was false, and I’m just waiting for him to either prove himself right, or admit that he was wrong and his threat to me was based solely on the fact that I didn’t agree with him and was mean.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 3/31/2010 @ 5:46 am
Scott,
You have a damned odd sense of being threatened.
Couple that with an apparent complete lack of self-awareness and it’s no wonder you’re obsessed with Jeff Goldstein.
cheers
Comment by BumperStickerist — 3/31/2010 @ 6:31 am
and, just because, my recollection of that exchange was you’re “being mean” and a bit of a jackass and touting to an extent your own physical prowess, Jeff pointed out that, in reality, were your paths to cross, by your choosing and not happenstance, that he’d do the whole “turn you into a mewling heap” thing.
… which you – predictably – turned around so that you’ve imagined a scenario whereby Jeff is driving around the country in a 69 Chevy Nova looking for internet commenters who’ve irked him on whom he will commit various atrocities.
or some such.
keep up the wounded/aggrieved thing you’ve got going with Jeff … it’s manly as hell.
Comment by BumperStickerist — 3/31/2010 @ 6:38 am
Hi there, PW person.
I can’t help but be amused that your herd has decided to come here and insult me.
I don’t kick puppies, so mocking butthurt little boys is how I amuse myself. Glad we’re both amused. Win-win.
Comment by Don Draper — 3/31/2010 @ 7:02 am
“I’m having a hard time thinking of any regulars from PW I would even want to be in the same building with…”
See Scott,
This is part of the problem; you seem to be the kind of guy that takes everything too personal; and then go on to make sweeping judgements about others simply based on affiliations.
I recall trying to discuss points with you during the original affair. And, notwithstanding the fact that tempers were still hot and wounds fresh-so to speak, althought you didn’t know me from Adam, the style and tone you took with me was very combative, contemptuous, and condescending.
We’d never had any interactions before, and have had few in the meantime. Sadly, you’re presence among the commentariat, in part, turned me away from visiting Patterico’s site as often as I’d done prior.
I’m no lily-liver Scott; I spent a lifetime hearing much worse insult and invective from much better men in the US Navy. But I find it especially ironic that one who “speaks” to people in the manner you do over the internet is suprised when people react to it in kind.
In short, your Battleship mouth gets you into situations your rowboat self may neither want nor be able to back up.
I say all this with no malice of intent. I hope that you learn to take a different tone while interacting over the internet with others. Because people should be able to disagree without being disagreeable; and the entire internet is not b/chan/…
Respect is earned before being given, and never given when arbitrarily demanded.
Comment by Bob Reed — 3/31/2010 @ 10:00 am
Yeah, I deserve correction.
I don’t think Scott should bother with PW either. I don’t think he sees himself as a victim (and he shouldn’t). But who cares? It’s amazing how many people tried to screw Patterico out of his job by calling him a racist, when all Patterico wanted was a discussion of RSM’s strange comments. It was an interesting topic, and people were too busy freaking out about it to realize it really wasn’t harmful to RSM to have some real scrutiny of why many were ostracizing him.
LGF is just laughed off, and with a little analysis, it was clear (IMO), that RSM had said stupid stuff, either for lack of clarity or misguided sentiments, but it wasn’t a big deal.
PW is a miserable place, and made a fruitful discussion into something really nasty. RSM didn’t need that kind of help. And the people angry about it turned around and were much less honest and much more aggressively claiming racism. It’s good to know which conservative commentators are psychos like that.
Comment by Dustin — 3/31/2010 @ 11:18 am
Bob Reed, you do realize that Scott’s the one who was threatened, right? And that your point makes a lot more since directed at Jeff.
True, Scott’s not winning any congeniality awards, and neither am I or most of the folks who tried to discuss during that debate. You certainly aren’t, either. So what? It’s not hard to see who actually crossed the line.
Comment by Dustin — 3/31/2010 @ 11:21 am
Dustin,
It seems to me that this episode was over and done months ago, and there was no need to rehash it anyway. It’s somethingthat Scott and Jeff will have to ultimately settle beteen themselves I guess.
And while I may not be winning any congeniality awards, I’m pretty sure that my comment was respectful and polite, offering my advise and hoping that Scott would feel less bitter about past events; to let them go and enjoy the beauty of today-so to speak.
The situation was complex in the past, and even Scott admitted, in the comments thread to the post he linked, that he may have egged Jeff on. So, although you feel my comment may be better dorected at Jeff, you must admit that there are extenuating circumstances based on Scott’s own admissions. And, I personally think it better to let sleeping dogs lie, and to move on to bridge mending instead.
You and I don’t know each other either, although I’ve seen you comment occasionally at Dan Collin’s blog. I have no beef with you, and can respect your opinions and points of view. But I would respectfully opine that this matter is a bit more nuanced than it may seem at first blush. Your loyalty to your friend is admirable, but our biases may keep us all from objectively looking at the matter clearly.
It’s hard to see the whole picture when you too are inside the frame…
Best Wishes
Comment by Bob Reed — 3/31/2010 @ 12:00 pm
True true. God yes.
And re-reading your comment, I think you’re not really being a dick, though the ‘lily-livered mouth writing checks with your battleship mouth’ can carry that attitude.
No worries. I really don’t care. Jeff’s paid the price for his behavior (generally, not particularly here), and I honestly feel bad for him when I come across his site and he’s not doing well. I am not out to rehash this dumb thing, but I think it’s a damn shame a great discussion that the right should be proud to have is so hard to have.
Comment by Dustin — 3/31/2010 @ 12:39 pm
Bob,
Someone egged JEff on? A blogger egged on? JEff? you are talking about Jeff right?
delusional..
Comment by EricPWJohnson — 3/31/2010 @ 12:43 pm
No, I said I was probably less than civil.
I never threatened Jeff, never told him I would – if given the chance – cause him harm. I might have wished bad things happen to him, but praying to fate for someone to fall down a well is much different than saying you would gladly beat the shit out of someone. No, really, legally there’s a difference – one is a crime, the other isn’t.
Then you should tell JeffyG to cease claiming some sort of virtue. I assure you, I would never have said a single thing had he not made the ignorant claim that he did – a claim that is easily provable as false, as I did.
That you folks are now coming here in droves is God Damn hilarious, though I’m sure the humor is lost on you folks.
Here it is in a nutshell: Patterico said RSM’s comment was racist. JeffyG claimed that Patterico called RSM a racist. Patterico repeats his words, making clear that not, he was just talking about the comments. JeffyG tries to act like he knows wtf he’s talking about but claiming that is didn’t matter what Patterico said, but rather what Patterico’s intent was. Patterico reminds everyone that even were that the case, his intent was not to call RSM a racist. JeffyG says that only the listener/reader can decide intent, ignoring the fact that he had earlier claimed that only the speaker/writer can decide intent (this claim of speaker-owned intent was relating to RSM himself, and his intent when he made those comments – if RSM’s intent was not to be racist, than the reader is wrong to think they were).
Somewhere around the end of that string JeffyG, tough guy that he is, decided to make a threat towards me on his own blog, where comments from regulars here were being deleted or edited without any notice.
Let me be perfectly clear – I think you’re a fucking tool, and wouldn’t blink an eye if I was told that a huge rock fell from the sky and landed on your head. That’s one thing. It is entirely another to tell you that if we met face-to-face I would beat the shit out of you because you weren’t nice to me.
The fact that you people see no difference doesn’t shock me. You folks are an amazing echo-chamber, and the time you people are spending coming over here to pile-on a low-readership blog (The Jury’s readership is quite small indeed) from a higher-readership blog is just horrible and vile.
I’m not even going to bother asking if you got the irony there.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 3/31/2010 @ 2:16 pm
Maybe I can just put this out there…
Patrick Frey isn’t a racist but actually runs a heck of a good blog. I really enjoy it. More than that, I’ll warrant that he is a good public servant who could earn a lot more cash surrounded by a lot higher class of people but chooses to fight the fight.
Jeff Goldstein runs a good, funny blog that when it is hitting its high-notes, actually is funny in an early National Lampoon magazine sort of way (educated, yet brutal.) I for one enjoy his fusion of libertarian and classically liberal arguments.
I don’t know much about Scott Jacobs but I’m sure he’s a good guy who is doing the best he can, both on a blog and in life.
Maybe, just maybe, Jeff and Scott lost their temper in frustration and let their lesser natures take over. I really don’t think that if Scott ran into Jeff a single fist would get cocked.
Let me submit to both PW and Patterico readers: There is a whole lot happening in America that should not pass without a fight. There is plenty to merit anger, profanity and maybe stronger, just not over this….whatever “this” is.
For what it’s worth.
Comment by mcgruder — 3/31/2010 @ 3:11 pm
*chuckles*
I really hope you didn’t bet money on that…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 3/31/2010 @ 3:17 pm
Ok Scott,
If trying to remind you of the value inherent in all facets of life inherent in the golden rule makes me a tool, then a tool I am. As I said there was no malice of intent in my comment, and I’m sorry of you mis-took my use of the old “Battleship” aphorism, or my declaration that I was not a “lily-liver”.
Comment by Bob Reed — 3/31/2010 @ 3:36 pm
mcgruder,
You stated what I intended, only in a much better way…
Comment by Bob Reed — 3/31/2010 @ 3:36 pm
He also refrained to taking pot shots at me. I can’t imagine why I’d be more inclined to listen to him.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 3/31/2010 @ 3:42 pm
Pot shots? I don’t see it Scott, and I apologized for any of my turns of the phrase which might have been easily mistaken. I meant no ill will in my comments.
Comment by Bob Reed — 3/31/2010 @ 4:35 pm
And to be fair: The only time I’m shocked with how people react to me is then they like me.
Reacting negatively to me isn’t something that surprises me. I fully expect it.
I also expect people to admit they they do something. That JeffyG hasn’t and won’t tells me far more about him than the entire war with Patterico ever did.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 3/31/2010 @ 5:12 pm
Can someone explain what Jeff contributes that would justify tolerating his ridiculous behavior? He’s not helpful. He can’t even apply his own intentionalism as coherently as Patterico can.
Even Jeff realizes that he might as well not bother, most of the time. Just read his own repeated quittings.
So while it’s true, there are bigger badder fish to fry, it’s not like Jeff’s needed or helpful. He’s a psycho.
Comment by Dustin — 3/31/2010 @ 5:32 pm