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		<title>By: Bob McDonnell’s “Macaca” Moment - And How He Can Get Past It &#124; WTF?! Obama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob McDonnell’s “Macaca” Moment - And How He Can Get Past It &#124; WTF?! Obama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 03:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Patterico co-blogger Amphipolis found it suspicious that only the one word &#8220;detrimental&#8221; was being quoted to back up what Gardner was obviously trying to convey to her readers. So he decided to take a look at the 93 page thesis paper for himself, something the Washington Post&#8217;s writers and editors would certainly know that less than 1% of their readers would bother to do &#8230; and of course, he discovered that &#8220;&#8230; aside from the issue of whether it is even appropriate to imply that a 20-year old college thesis represents his current beliefs, McDonnell is clearly being deliberately misrepresented here.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Patterico co-blogger Amphipolis found it suspicious that only the one word &#8220;detrimental&#8221; was being quoted to back up what Gardner was obviously trying to convey to her readers. So he decided to take a look at the 93 page thesis paper for himself, something the Washington Post&#8217;s writers and editors would certainly know that less than 1% of their readers would bother to do &#8230; and of course, he discovered that &#8220;&#8230; aside from the issue of whether it is even appropriate to imply that a 20-year old college thesis represents his current beliefs, McDonnell is clearly being deliberately misrepresented here.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob McDonnell&#8217;s &#8220;Macaca&#8221; Moment - And How He Can Get Past It - Martin_A_Knight&#8217;s blog - RedState</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob McDonnell&#8217;s &#8220;Macaca&#8221; Moment - And How He Can Get Past It - Martin_A_Knight&#8217;s blog - RedState</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Patterico co-blogger Amphipolis found it suspicious that only the one word &#8220;detrimental&#8221; was being quoted to back up what Gardner was obviously trying to convey to her readers. So he decided to take a look at the 93 page thesis paper for himself, something the Washington Post&#8217;s writers and editors would certainly know that less than 1% of their readers would bother to do &#8230; and of course, he discovered that &#8220;&#8230; aside from the issue of whether it is even appropriate to imply that a 20-year old college thesis represents his current beliefs, McDonnell is clearly being deliberately misrepresented here.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Patterico co-blogger Amphipolis found it suspicious that only the one word &#8220;detrimental&#8221; was being quoted to back up what Gardner was obviously trying to convey to her readers. So he decided to take a look at the 93 page thesis paper for himself, something the Washington Post&#8217;s writers and editors would certainly know that less than 1% of their readers would bother to do &#8230; and of course, he discovered that &#8220;&#8230; aside from the issue of whether it is even appropriate to imply that a 20-year old college thesis represents his current beliefs, McDonnell is clearly being deliberately misrepresented here.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/jury/2009/09/02/bob-mcdonnell-misrepresented/comment-page-1/#comment-3893</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 05:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a shame so many families can&#039;t afford to have one parent stay at home with the kids.

I guess it&#039;s not that hard.  You can have a decent house payment $900, one car payment $300, and food for a family + bills $1000 on a pretty modest month&#039;s salary.

I honestly thought the internet would have solved this problem by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame so many families can&#8217;t afford to have one parent stay at home with the kids.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s not that hard.  You can have a decent house payment $900, one car payment $300, and food for a family + bills $1000 on a pretty modest month&#8217;s salary.</p>
<p>I honestly thought the internet would have solved this problem by now.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/jury/2009/09/02/bob-mcdonnell-misrepresented/comment-page-1/#comment-3888</link>
		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 01:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not talking about McDonell&#039;s thesis, although they may be related points.  I&#039;m just wondering that in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not talking about McDonell&#8217;s thesis, although they may be related points.  I&#8217;m just wondering that in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Amphipolis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amphipolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, he is saying that non-parental primary nurture of children is detrimental to the family. If women working is detrimental, it is so only so fr as it compromises that. By entrenching - he considered it detrimental because it tended to do what he mentioned later, but that leaves open Republican solutions that would allow women to work who need to and still give the children the care they need.

This means the fathers could stay home (they are parents too).

This means that non-institutional day care should be encouraged because it would be better - which was his point later on.

He wanted government policy to be able to &quot;deliver quantity and quality&quot; care that is best for children.

His point was not that working mothers are detrimental to the family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, he is saying that non-parental primary nurture of children is detrimental to the family. If women working is detrimental, it is so only so fr as it compromises that. By entrenching &#8211; he considered it detrimental because it tended to do what he mentioned later, but that leaves open Republican solutions that would allow women to work who need to and still give the children the care they need.</p>
<p>This means the fathers could stay home (they are parents too).</p>
<p>This means that non-institutional day care should be encouraged because it would be better &#8211; which was his point later on.</p>
<p>He wanted government policy to be able to &#8220;deliver quantity and quality&#8221; care that is best for children.</p>
<p>His point was not that working mothers are detrimental to the family.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t there a difference between:

1.  Being against working mothers, and 
2.  Being against subsidies that make it easier for mothers to go to work?

It seems to me the former is anti-feminist because it denigrates women who want to work, but the latter is a public policy choice: Do we want to use public monies to subsidize daycare to make it easier for mothers to work, or do we want to leave it up to families to decide how to make these choices?  

If we decide it is anti-feminist to be against subsidies for daycare, then everything that makes it harder for women to work is anti-feminist and everything that makes it easier for women to work is pro-feminist.  That may be politically correct but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t there a difference between:</p>
<p>1.  Being against working mothers, and<br />
2.  Being against subsidies that make it easier for mothers to go to work?</p>
<p>It seems to me the former is anti-feminist because it denigrates women who want to work, but the latter is a public policy choice: Do we want to use public monies to subsidize daycare to make it easier for mothers to work, or do we want to leave it up to families to decide how to make these choices?  </p>
<p>If we decide it is anti-feminist to be against subsidies for daycare, then everything that makes it harder for women to work is anti-feminist and everything that makes it easier for women to work is pro-feminist.  That may be politically correct but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s right.</p>
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		<title>By: aphrael</title>
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		<dc:creator>aphrael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amphipolis - &lt;em&gt;He was not against working mothers per se. He was against the government subsidizing day care.&lt;/em&gt;

That may very well be true, but &quot;further expenditures would be used to subsidize a dynamic new trend of working women and feminists that is ultimately detrimental to the family&quot; seems to say to me:

(a) we shouldn&#039;t have further expenditures
(b) because they would subsidize working women
(c) and working women are detrimental to the family

so, if he wasn&#039;t against working mothers per se, he did a very bad job of expressing what he wanted to express.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amphipolis &#8211; <em>He was not against working mothers per se. He was against the government subsidizing day care.</em></p>
<p>That may very well be true, but &#8220;further expenditures would be used to subsidize a dynamic new trend of working women and feminists that is ultimately detrimental to the family&#8221; seems to say to me:</p>
<p>(a) we shouldn&#8217;t have further expenditures<br />
(b) because they would subsidize working women<br />
(c) and working women are detrimental to the family</p>
<p>so, if he wasn&#8217;t against working mothers per se, he did a very bad job of expressing what he wanted to express.</p>
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		<title>By: aphrael</title>
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		<dc:creator>aphrael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Scott, there are and have always been other blogs. :)

Martin: your belief that a child&#039;s primary caregiver should be a parent, not a day care center, does not make you a troglodyte. However, asserting that i&#039;m deliberately leaving something important out is a bit annoying; it&#039;s not quite calling me out as a liar, but it trends in that direction.

It&#039;s particularly annoying given that your response isn&#039;t actually responsive to what I&#039;m saying. I&#039;m saying I think the writing clearly says that &quot;a dynamic new trend of working women and feminists&quot; will be detrimental, not that subsidies will be detrimental. Your response says that i&#039;m ignoring the reason given for &lt;em&gt;why expanding federal child care programs ... would ultrimately be detrimental&lt;/em&gt;.

But I don&#039;t concede that the writing says that expanding subsidies will be detrimental. Whether the writing says that is the crux of the debate. So it follows that I don&#039;t agree that &quot;entrenching a status-quo of non-parental primary nurture&quot; is Mr. McConnell&#039;s reason for thinking subsidies are detrimental; at best, I would think it&#039;s his reason for thinking &lt;em&gt;working women and feminists&lt;/em&gt; are detrimental.

In any event, the clause is irrelevant to the question of whether working women, or the subsidies, constituted the &quot;trend&quot; to which Mr. McConnell was referring. So I left it out, not because I wished to ignore its premise, but because it neither helped nor hindered the argument I was trying to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Scott, there are and have always been other blogs. <img src='http://patterico.com/jury/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Martin: your belief that a child&#8217;s primary caregiver should be a parent, not a day care center, does not make you a troglodyte. However, asserting that i&#8217;m deliberately leaving something important out is a bit annoying; it&#8217;s not quite calling me out as a liar, but it trends in that direction.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s particularly annoying given that your response isn&#8217;t actually responsive to what I&#8217;m saying. I&#8217;m saying I think the writing clearly says that &#8220;a dynamic new trend of working women and feminists&#8221; will be detrimental, not that subsidies will be detrimental. Your response says that i&#8217;m ignoring the reason given for <em>why expanding federal child care programs &#8230; would ultrimately be detrimental</em>.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t concede that the writing says that expanding subsidies will be detrimental. Whether the writing says that is the crux of the debate. So it follows that I don&#8217;t agree that &#8220;entrenching a status-quo of non-parental primary nurture&#8221; is Mr. McConnell&#8217;s reason for thinking subsidies are detrimental; at best, I would think it&#8217;s his reason for thinking <em>working women and feminists</em> are detrimental.</p>
<p>In any event, the clause is irrelevant to the question of whether working women, or the subsidies, constituted the &#8220;trend&#8221; to which Mr. McConnell was referring. So I left it out, not because I wished to ignore its premise, but because it neither helped nor hindered the argument I was trying to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;It’s amazing what the press can do with one word taken out of context.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

Only when they want to.  Only when they want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>&#8220;It’s amazing what the press can do with one word taken out of context.&#8221;</i></b></p>
<p>Only when they want to.  Only when they want to.</p>
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		<title>By: Amphipolis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amphipolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aphrael, I disagree. At most the thing is poorly worded.

This was 1989, the year my first child was born. The new trend was not working mothers, it was day care subsidies and institutional day care. Which is why he goes on to develop strategies to allow for working mothers without subsidies or institutional day care.

He was not against working mothers per se. He was against the government subsidizing day care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aphrael, I disagree. At most the thing is poorly worded.</p>
<p>This was 1989, the year my first child was born. The new trend was not working mothers, it was day care subsidies and institutional day care. Which is why he goes on to develop strategies to allow for working mothers without subsidies or institutional day care.</p>
<p>He was not against working mothers per se. He was against the government subsidizing day care.</p>
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