Patterico's Pontifications

8/2/2009

Best Caption Ever

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 12:03 am



Hot Air held a caption contest for this picture. I present to you the clear winner:

obama-afterbeers
Above: Just a cop, Skip, and a chump from the White House

UPDATE: Skip’s daughter had this classy postracial observation in a piece about the Beer Summit:

As our family rounded the corner to the White House library and I first caught sight of Sgt. Crowley’s lovely daughter; she was wearing an appropriately heavy and charmingly untrained amount of green eyeliner on her lower lashes, and I saw my former self in her.

Translation: “what a sweet little tramp she was.”

81 Responses to “Best Caption Ever”

  1. As captioned by some random Koshole:

    “RACIST WHITE COP ASSUMES THAT A BLACK MAN CAN’T WALK, AS OUR SAVIOR LOOKS AWAY IN DISGUST”

    M. Scott Eiland (5ccff0)

  2. Did you know Elizabeth Gates has her own entry at urbandictionary.com? Yup. She does.

    happyfeet (42470c)

  3. Teachable, baby, teachable.

    krusher (791666)

  4. With you on the caption contest winner (for cleverness, anyway), but believe that those pushing the “Elizabeth Gates is an uppity so-n-so,” because she commented on the fact that Crowley’s daughter, like pretty much every mid-teen girl before her–including Ms Gates, herself–doesn’t have a deft hand in applying makeup, have entirely too much time on their hands, and a partisan ax to grind, besides…

    But I’ll give you credit for at least getting the quote right… Many of your peers just cribbed off Hot Air, who edited out that self-deprecating bit where Gates makes it clear that wearing heavy makeup is an “age” thing that many (most?) girls go through, and not the “tramp” or “I’m so much better than her” thing that some on the right wish to paint it as, for reasons I leave for the comment reader to suss out for themselves…

    Came in via Donald Douglas @ American Power, btw… He seems to think we’re soul mates, or something. Not sure which of us should be more insulted… (He’s been on a tear, attacking fellow conservatives of late… Seems to have something to do with his wanting to become the “Falafel Bill” of the Con blogosphere…) Anyway, I figured you should know you’re on his enemies list…

    repsac3 (4c2a83)

  5. something tells me Joe deserves the credit for that

    happyfeet (42470c)

  6. This is the first time I’ve seen the last part, “and I saw my former self in her.” This just means that Skippy’s daughter has risen above her scandalous beginnings.

    mj (2a57cf)

  7. I love the uproar over this pic the whitehouse released. Still lacking in transparency though.

    imdw (de7003)

  8. Eyeliner on eyelashes?

    daleyrocks (718861)

  9. Surprised “chimp” wasn’t used — Obama being a “jungle monkey” and all.

    Hey a Boston cop said so and the police are always right. Right?

    David Ehrenstein (2550d9)

  10. Christien at Hot Air sure knows how to write captions – and less than 15 minutes into the contest, too. Woot!

    Special props to the runner up, Exurban Jon (lots of approving comments for this one): “I’m tired of the man keeping helping me down!”

    Laughs aside, is this a perfect illustration of narcissism or what? Didn’t he describe Gates as a friend? Yeah, leave a disabled friend to fend for himself – or in the hands of a “stupid” police officer – while you preen for the media.

    A******. Obama manages to lose more of my respect every day.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  11. *sigh*
    OK, Patterico, your clever comments on strikeouts on the Balko thread aside, how DO you do strikeouts around these parts??

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  12. Highlight the word. Click on Patterico’s strike button. You are going to get the html tags with just an s. Type trike after both s’s.

    nk (dbab5e)

  13. And on topic, when was a woman never catty about another woman, especially a younger one? (Ducks)

    nk (dbab5e)

  14. OK; let’s try thisAll right nk, looks like I did it. Thanks much.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  15. The decency of the Police Office is for all to behold.

    The double-standard bigotry of the Professor is for all to behold.

    The narcissism of the President is for all to behold.

    A picture tells a thousand words.

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  16. Just in defense of Ms. Gates: I think she was recalling how it was when she first began using makeup. Kids do tend to glop it on, and pick horrendous colors.

    Pigilito (5a1996)

  17. While I don’t think she meant it in a mean way, I have to say that were I Professor Gates, I would threaten savage beatings from some of Harvard’s finest hooligans should my family not keep their noise-holes shut.

    Last thing he needs is every minority cop making him their personal hobby, pulling him over for everything from “safety checks” to failure to come to a full and complete stop at stop signs.

    Scott Jacobs (f8a36a)

  18. Comment by Pigilito — 8/2/2009 @ 7:13 am

    All due respect, I think that, while that may or may not be true, it was perhaps, let’s be charitable, pretty thoughtless of her to criticize a (99%-likely-to-be-sensitive) teenage girl, and no less the daughter of the man with whom her father had an angry encounter, in a national venue.

    If what you said is true (some might see it as a passive-aggressive [“charmingly”?] shot at the child of a perceived enemy), perhaps she could keep her teenage memories to herself next time, and think of the feelings of others going through the same thing now.

    Not to put too fine a point on it, one might even argue that had her father applied the same think-a-moment-before-you-criticize standard (he had, after all, been breaking into his own place and should have realized this looked suspicious), this whole arrest would never have happened in the first place.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  19. I think it’s safe to say who came off the worse in this whole affair – and it wasn’t the Cambridge Police Dept.

    Dmac (e6d1c2)

  20. Apparently the Gates kid hasn’t been in a cosmetics department lately. The fashion is excessive, totally over-the-top, garish liner, shadow, mascara and lipstick. Only females under 20 can get away with this freakshow trend, however.

    Peg C. (48175e)

  21. Reminds me of the time Obama was visiting the Twin Towers reflecting pond. He looked at the water and promptly tossed the rose onto the service with nary a second thought. The entire exercise appeared to be a nuisance to him and something to do and move on.

    Even in the Gates/Crowley photo at the WH he is oblivious to anything other than himself. He never misses the opportunity to miss an opportunity. Once again he eschews statesmanship for theatrics.

    vet66 (9d1bb3)

  22. Just goes to show you that you can have all the money, power, or position in the world and still have no class.

    PatriotRider (37b91c)

  23. “All due respect, I think that, while that may or may not be true, it was perhaps, let’s be charitable, pretty thoughtless of her to criticize a (99%-likely-to-be-sensitive) teenage girl, and no less the daughter of the man with whom her father had an angry encounter, in a national venue.”

    Translation: Blacks are never to criticize whites — EVER.

    David Ehrenstein (2550d9)

  24. Birthers, Birchers, Teabaggers and Palin worshipers.

    Man I never thought the Presidency could be this easy.

    spart (edeb1b)

  25. Birthers, Birchers, Teabaggers and Palin worshipers….

    Ha ha ha! That’s so funny, because it’s so relevant to the topic.

    Pious Agnostic (b2c3ab)

  26. Plenty more there from Ms. Gates.

    Moments later, the Sgt. and my father were escorted to the Rose Garden where the press sat waiting “at least 40 feet away” while the rest of us continued on with our tour. As we walked by a set of French doors that gave a clear view of this highly anticipated talk, I saw Mr. Obama’s lean body coolly draped over a lawn chair I wondered what these four men—President Obama, Vice President Biden, Sergeant Crowley and my father—could possibly say to heal this situation and what the press was actually waiting for. Would my father and Sergeant Crowley be reduced to who they were on that fateful day in my father’s house on Ware Street and give us all a glimpse of what really happened? Or could it be that this small collection of men were actually devising some master plan to rid the world of all racist tendencies right there in the presidential Rose Garden over a few brewskis? No. That would have been impossible to achieve—even on Obama’s best day and even if my father had actually finished his Sam Adams.

    The vice president made a swift exit, saying that he would have worked late that night but instead had to rush home to Delaware to tend to his wife who had dislocated her shoulder. And as his car swooped away, another came in its place to carry us back to Dulles International Airport, where we snaked our way to Gate B—now devoid of photographers, news reporters and the invasive camera crews. I asked my father what the President had said during their chat and as he slipped off his shoes and reclined his chair, he said: “The president and the vice president are great men, Liza. They did the right thing to invite us there to talk, but it’s up to us now to extend this conversation. We have plans to meet in private and discuss things. You know, Crowley’s not a bad guy. He’s not a Joe the Plumber who wants to represent the Right. He would be horrified to be considered a racist.”

    Discrimination is the single greatest wound in American history and could never be solved over a beer. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. There are more black men in prison than in college and literally thousands of black men are arrested across this country each day. And while I might agree with the president’s initial statement that the “Cambridge Police Department acted stupidly,” my father is not the first nor will he be the last black man to be arrested for no reason—in his own home or elsewhere—and Sergeant Crowley isn’t the first officer to fudge a police report. They are simply pawns in the rebirth of unfashionable intolerance in a world that likes to think our dashing brown-skinned 44th president has emerged to make nice with the past, present, and future. It’s an impossible task for the president and speaks more to our nation’s vulnerable value system than the unfortunately common situation my father and the Cambridge police found themselves embroiled in. As my father said on the plane yesterday morning on our way to the White House, “there are approximately 800,000 black men in prison and on July 16, 2009, I simply became one of them.”

    bio mom (6eac50)

  27. Expect Joe to come along soon with a link to stories about Frank Marshall Davis being Obama’s father.

    While he will provide these non-sequiters wit his usual style and panache, that is clumsily, he will essentially have lifted them and the patter he uses to couch them in by truncating the other’s comments from various websites.

    And if not on this particular thread, then at least one on this site today. He seems to be on that roll right now.

    Don’t say that you didn’t hear it here first!

    The Oracle not at Delphi (99fc1b)

  28. Elizabeth Gates wrote:

    Discrimination is the single greatest wound in American history and could never be solved over a beer. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. There are more black men in prison than in college and literally thousands of black men are arrested across this country each day.

    If there are more black men in prison than in college, is that the result of discrimination, as Miss Gates seems to think, or the result of more black men committing felonies than trying to go to college?

    Of course, such questions Can’t Be Asked in polite company, or the person asking such questions is immediately labeled a racist.

    Well, at least not by a white man like myself. If “our dashing brown-skinned 44th president” were to ask such a question, maybe, just maybe, we’d start to get somewhere.

    If there is any one thing our President could do right, it would be to use his own example, of a black man who grew up in poverty and stayed in school, who worked hard and did the best he could to become the most he could, instead of dropping out and running with the street gangs, to educate young black boys growing up in our inner cities, to show them that there really are other things they can do with their lives.

    The brutally honest Dana (474dfc)

  29. I like that thought that all those black men in prison were arrested for “no reason.” I wonder what all those black crime victims think of their betters’ opinions on the matter. They’re probably too busy anticipating the premier of “More to love” on TV.

    Mike K (addb13)

  30. Re: Ms. Gates’ comments: Proof that the flop doesn’t land far from the horses ass.

    Brooks (cc5654)

  31. It’s striking. Elizabeth Gates really seems oblivious to how utterly she and her family have shamed themselves in this matter. Yet I am sure that she considers herself a great intellect and sophisticate.

    Federal Dog (2db423)

  32. #

    Surprised “chimp” wasn’t used — Obama being a “jungle monkey” and all.

    Hey a Boston cop said so and the police are always right. Right?

    Comment by David Ehrenstein — 8/2/2009 @ 5:56 am

    LOLOL
    Let me repeat that so everyone’s clear:
    David’s claiming that Sgt. Crowley “said” (his word) that Obama was, quote, a “jungle monkey.”

    Heh, I say, heh. If it weren’t libel it’d be even funnier.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  33. #

    “All due respect, I think that, while that may or may not be true, it was perhaps, let’s be charitable, pretty thoughtless of her to criticize a (99%-likely-to-be-sensitive) teenage girl, and no less the daughter of the man with whom her father had an angry encounter, in a national venue.”

    Translation: Blacks are never to criticize whites — EVER.

    Comment by David Ehrenstein — 8/2/2009 @ 8:22 am

    Have combed the part you quoted for a racial reference but didn’t find one, so your translator must be broken. Here’s a better one:

    “Adult writers. especially those with a national audience, should always be considerate of the feelings of children/teens without national megaphones who can’t defend themselves.”

    Do try to read more carefully in future. If you can see past that chip on your shoulder.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  34. Well at least Ms. Gates proves that passive-aggressive cattiness recognizes no color boundaries or class barriers.

    Women from all walks of life freely use this method of backhanded insult, always have, always will. At least something in life is free from a negative stigma, eh?

    Dana (57e332)

  35. Well, did some tooling around and apparently it’s me who needs to read more [carefully]. This scum uses a racial slur (against Gates, just BTW, not Obama) and properly gets called a “cancer” by Boston’s mayor.

    What this has to do with Crowley, or the rightness of Crowley’s actions, beats me all to heck. But in the interests of both accuracy and of being as fair as possible to the race-baiter on thread, there you are.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  36. @ 19.

    I agree. She should have not written anything that could come off as snarky or critical. I was disagreeing with how the original quote was interpreted.

    Pigilito (5a1996)

  37. “Women from all walks of life freely use this method of backhanded insult, always have, always will.”

    Dana – It’s imdw’s favorite tactic.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  38. “David’s claiming that Sgt. Crowley “said” (his word) that Obama was, quote, a “jungle monkey.” “

    No dear it was another Boston cop — one who has been put on “administrative leave.”

    But “Patterico’s Pontifications” loves ALL cops and defends everything they say and do with complete dedication.

    David Ehrenstein (2550d9)

  39. _________________________________

    Discrimination is the single greatest wound in American history

    Actually, sweetheart, your simpleminded, phony-baloney “lefty” or “progressive” bias is the thing you need to worry about. The symptoms of such a condition generally include a profound lack of common sense and basic wisdom. In that regard, you’re a chip off the old block.

    “there are approximately 800,000 black men in prison

    And I hope you’re not one of the high percentage of limousine liberals (either black or certainly white) who when looking for a house or apartment to call home often avoid scrutinizing — in tandem with or happily based on the actions of your real-estate agent — anything in the predominantly black neighborhoods of town.

    As such, are you privileged folks of the left being merely racist or bigoted? Well, unlike the accusations of “racist!” you love hurling at or seeing in people you oppose, I’ll say “not really.”

    I’m willing to theorize that many of you “progressives” truly are open-minded about and tolerant towards diversity, including the nature of the people living all around you. However, even most of you “leftys” have enough sanity to shy away from communities bogged down by too much socio-economic dysfunction.

    And dysfunction is much, much harder to reduce or certainly eliminate when a high number of people in a community (eg, 80-plus % of blacks in America are liberal, and 80-plus % are registered as Democrats) suffers from a lack of, again, common sense and basic wisdom.

    As for the photo, it’s hard to think of anything humorous to apply to it. That’s because so many aspects of the current occupant of the White House are too pathetic and “lefty” loony to be amusing.

    And par for the course: Guests at the White House shown in serious attire while the guy they’re meeting — walking around jacket-less — conveys the demeanor of feel-good-sloppiness, tradition-is-for-fogeys or appropriate-tone-be-damned.

    Merely one more Kodak moment, to be placed in the album right up there with the photo of Barry bowing before the king of Saudi Arabia and the photo of his talking to the prime minister of Israel while his feet are up on the desk.

    Mark (411533)

  40. Pious Agnostic: Ha ha ha! That’s so funny, because it’s so relevant to the topic.

    Really?

    I thought the topic was aiming cheap shots at your political opponents?

    spart (edeb1b)

  41. Hey a Boston cop said so and the police are always right. Right

    In the case of Crowley, since he’s said he’s a big supporter of Obama and therefore probably rather liberal in his politics — symbolized by his teaching classes on the issue of, and likely the horrors of, racial profiling — I do have to question the reliability of certain comments from him. But certainly not from the mindset of those who doubt his decency and honor because they sympathize with Henry Gates. One reason being most of them are too nonsensical to notice the irony of ironies involving this matter:

    A progressive cop caught up in a controversy involving a progressive professor, glommed onto by a progressive (or ultra-progressive) president.

    Mark (411533)

  42. Mark

    Bush Feet Desk

    He’s not talking on the phone and he is wearing a jacket, so there is still that.

    spart (edeb1b)

  43. David will never be able to see past the chip on his shoulder but, I suspect having met him, that he would be far less likely to play the race card in the situation in which Gates found himself. David has his faults (usually on display on his blog posts) but he does not live by race hustling as Gates seems to.

    Mike K (addb13)

  44. Bush Feet Desk

    Are you assuming I’m slamming Obama for merely putting his feet up on the desk?

    Are you assuming I’m oblivious to the finer points of a White House photographer taking a snapshot of the guy now occupying the Oval Office, aware that he was talking to the top political leader of Israel, and the White House then releasing the photo in question with a caption along the lines of “president talking to the prime minister of Israel”?

    Most importantly, I haven’t heard anything about that photographer, or the person who released the photo with the accompanying description, being roundly chasticized by the White House.

    So far, I’m aware of a cop in Massachusetts being negatively judged by Obama, but not the person (or persons) who took and/or released that photo from a few months ago.

    Mark (411533)

  45. “44.David will never be able to see past the chip on his shoulder but, I suspect having met him, that he would be far less likely to play the race card in the situation in which Gates found himself.”

    It’s rather difficult to “play the race card” when you’re handcuffed face down on the ground with a cocked pistol placed against your head.

    David Ehrenstein (2550d9)

  46. NOYK…I believe if you check your notes from say a year or so ago, you will find that a long forgotten ‘allan’ led you through the somewhat elongated Patterico strike producing technique. I seem to recall him mentioning he had just discovered it himself. But perhaps my own memory fails me here, as well. Although I should add that I did myself benefit from that minor revelation, avoiding ongoing frustration over lacking a capacity to strike. However, I clearly remember from that long since faded thread that you succeeded, as you did here, in performing a stricken struck phrase with equally celebratory glee and gratitude. I bring this to your attention merely to point out that we must be ever vigilant for brain cells that fail us ignobly as time sweeps us onward. Fret not, however, for there is no dearth of kind souls on these pages ready to aid those who find themselves lapsed in arcane html code mysteries.

    As always, you are free to claim “I have no recollection of that, your Honor.” For clearly, there are no consequences of any consequence.

    Synapsely yours….

    political agnostic (847121)

  47. Comment by Mark: Are you assuming I’m slamming Obama for merely putting his feet up on the desk?

    That’s what a plain English reading would convey and it’s an example of a disturbing obsession with something or other that I just don’t get, that seemingly afflicts many on the right. What does it matter if the President has his feet up on the desk while talking to the Israeli PM and would it matter if the PM in turn, took the call while lounging on his favorite sofa or sitting up in bed?

    spart (edeb1b)

  48. Comment by political agnostic — 8/2/2009 @ 11:25 am

    You do indeed have a good memory. Synapse-wise can’t claim to be so good. NTIM but I do remember some while back not being able to strike on this site and someone helping me. Then didn’t need strike for a while. By the time I needed it had forgotten how it worked but I tried just using the button and that worked. Cool.

    But not today. So nk helped me. This time (*rubs hands together chuckling*) I copied and pasted nk’s instructions so my lack of synapses won’t betray me again.

    Loved your well crafted. Latinate and grammatically perfect post tho. And thanks for the trip down memory lane. 🙂

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  49. “…or the result of more black men committing felonies than trying to go to college…”
    Comment by The brutally honest Dana — 8/2/2009 @ 9:36 am

    It seems to be the only alternative, since trying to go to college
    (studying, and getting good grades in High School) is considered “acting White”.

    AD - RtR/OS! (afd830)

  50. Dana – It’s imdw’s favorite tactic.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 8/2/2009 @ 10:21 am

    Perhaps… but remember, it’s never fully in effect unless the target is female. Then, and only then, does real cattiness come into play. (#14 nk, is correct…)

    Meow!

    Dana (57e332)

  51. Meow!

    Comment by Dana — 8/2/2009 @ 12:19 pm

    LOL (Hey Dana – LTNS!)

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  52. Missed you being around, NOYK….. *waves*

    Dana (57e332)

  53. Please ignore teh very angwy gay in the corner – he only lives to fling poo from his cage at others, lest he drown in it himself. I think his normal breakfast is composed of sucking on numerous lemons, then downing some ipecac for a chaser. I used to call him Hambone on another blog, primarily for the inept and childish calling of attention to himself – now, that moniker is much too subtle for him.

    Dmac (e6d1c2)

  54. Awwww MacDaddy is annoyed.

    David Ehrenstein (2550d9)

  55. I have found it to be always true that a..holes always breed true, in regard to the daughter.

    J (0f2b1a)

  56. Why bring up Sarah Palin?

    David Ehrenstein (2550d9)

  57. David Ehrenstein and his silly race baiting is silly. Let’s watch that madcon video again and ignore racist David Ehrenstein because David Ehrenstein is silly and racist and trapped somewheres in an early-80s seminar on getting in touch with your racist inner child or something. It’s creepy and sad how life has passed him by.

    happyfeet (42470c)

  58. What does it matter if the President has his feet up on the desk while talking to the Israeli PM

    Such a question coming from you is ironic if you’re one of those “leftys” who has encouraged ridiculous amounts of politically correct speech through the years, in which every utterance — no matter how minor — is seen as loaded down with inappropriate Freudian slips and harmful excess baggage.

    As for aspects of behavior that should not be judged as wrong or improper, if I attended, say, your wedding or daughter’s college graduation ceremony dressed in dirty sneakers and a smelly, grimy sweatshirt, you would feel it okay to ask “so what does it matter?”

    If I were talking to you, and you were telling me about the severe illness or certainly death of one of your loved ones, and I was picking my nose at the same time, you would feel it AOK to ask “so what does it matter?”

    Even more so if my picking my nose was caught on camera, photographed, and then the photo was released to the public with a caption like “Mark shown on the phone in a conversation with spart.”

    Mark (411533)

  59. Here I go again, acting white!

    Whoa whoa whoa WHOA!

    Did that white guy not get the memo? Was he not at the meetings?

    We’re not supposed to be friends with black people!

    DAMNIT! That idiot has set race relations forward. He knows better, damnit!

    It’s like he’s not even a little bit racist, which as David will tell you, is impossible.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  60. Comment by David Ehrenstein — 8/2/2009 @ 1:28 pm

    I truly hope that, at some point in your life, you come to realize that people dislike you not because you are gay, or black, or jewish, or any combination of those things, but because you are a complete and utter dipshit.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  61. The white guy is Todd Haynes.

    David Ehrenstein (2550d9)

  62. his gay jewishness is his only redeeming quality I think… other than for those civilizing qualities he’s sort of a feral ritalin child

    happyfeet (42470c)

  63. a racist feral ritalin child

    happyfeet (42470c)

  64. Blacks can criticize whites… and do, all day every day. For some blacks, it is a cottage industry.

    Gates’ daughter can do what she wants. She’s low class trailer trash to not know when to be gracious (cue: President invites everyone over for peace meeting)
    Instead she rolls up like some ignorant loud mouthed wench straight out of central casting and pees all over the event.
    Evidently the nut doesn’t fall far from the tree

    SteveG (97b6b9)

  65. I actually like David, in person, and know that his poo throwing is a case of “Look at me, damn you !” We see you, David. You can relax.

    Mike K (addb13)

  66. Awwww MacDaddy is annoyed.

    Awww, teh vewy vewy angwy queen will not be ignored!

    Dmac (e6d1c2)

  67. Good for you, Mike – but since I’ve seen nothing but his poo – flinging to base an opinion on, he’s just another asshole on the internet. BTW, where’s his loyal Butt – Boy, Gawy?

    Dmac (e6d1c2)

  68. Mark: Mark shown on the phone in a conversation with spart.

    Not going to happen Mark, sorry.

    Is there any evidence that President Obama was informing the Israeli PM about the severe illness or certain death of a loved one or that he was picking his nose at the time? Your obsession disturbs me, because there doesn’t appear to be anything of substance substance behind it.

    spart (edeb1b)

  69. Re Skip Gate’s Daughter: The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

    Jane (90c80c)

  70. Your obsession disturbs me,

    Oh, really? Your disingenuousness disturbs me far more. And I wonder if I have you pegged correctly as the type of liberal who — after being characterized accurately as a liberal — likely replies with “uh, no, I’m a “progressive!!”?

    Mark (411533)

  71. “BTW, where’s his loyal Butt – Boy, Gawy?”

    For those who don’t know, Dmac is dismissively referring to Gary McVey, a Hollywood conservative whose goal is to engage in dialogue with those who disagree with him.

    This kind of dismissive tripe is precisely how Dmac alienated himself to anyone left of Wally George at the post-Cathy Seipp blog.

    Fair enough if that’s his choice — I just think it’s a losing one. Gary was a better friend to Cathy than Dmac ever was.

    LYT (9c138e)

  72. LYT, you know the situation was a bit more complicated than that, and you are painting with a broad brush—something that you have often stated was not a sign of mature and fair minded discussion.

    I understand your antipathy toward some people, but I don’t get something. If Dmac being snarky is so awful, why are you doing the same thing?

    Eric Blair (204104)

  73. He’s not doing the same thing. He’s being honest and forthright.

    David Ehrenstein (2550d9)

  74. If David E is indeed as genuine as he claims, I seriously doubt he’d be so tone deaf as to feel the need to ask the question he posed in comment #9. But, to take him at his word: David, “chimp” doesn’t rhyme with “jump”, which was the last word in the original phrase, “Just a hop, skip, and a jump…”. We people of pallor learn these things as small children when we go to school. We also learn that “chimp” is slang for “chimpanzee” as well as the difference between them and monkeys. So there’s really no reason for you to be surprised.

    ManWell (017a94)

  75. Please, Mr. Ehrenstein.

    Best to leave that whole subject alone. If Dmac and LYT want to battle, fine. But I have long found LYT an interesting case of “…it’s not bad when I do it.” I know why. He knows, presumably, that he is a good fellow and is just acting out. Yet the other guy must be a jerk. That is why it is okay when LYT says something over the top—except that his opponents feel the same way.

    I sure don’t want to fight you about it. LYT likes you. Dmac doesn’t. That is the central issue.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  76. […] example While I don’t think she meant it in a mean way, I have to say that were I Professor Gates, I would threaten savage beatings from some of Harvard’s finest hooligans should my family not keep their noise-holes shut. […]

    Come And See The Violence Inherent In The System! (38c333)


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