The Jury Talks Back

7/27/2009

Updated: Shut Up About the Birth Certificate Already

Filed under: Uncategorized — Fritz @ 11:00 am

Please, shut up about Obama’s birth certificate.  It’s stupid, you’re wrong, there is no controversy, and, rhetorically, it’s a sure-fire loser.

I wish I had something more to contribute than paste, but Philip Klein at The American Spectator kills it:

Up until now, I have never posted about President Obama’s birth certificate, because I don’t want to give those who claim he is not a U.S. citizen the attention they so desperately seek. I don’t even want to describe the matter as a “controversy,” because to do so suggests that there is a serious dispute over Obama’s place of birth. To any sane human being, there is no controversy. Obama has produced anauthentic certificate of live birth from the state of Hawaii that clearly shows he was born on August 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii at 7:24 p.m. State officials have confirmed the document as legitimate and have stated that such facts would have to be verified by the state before they appear on the document. And if that isn’t enough, the fact is corroborated by a contemporaneous newspaper birth announcement.

Update:  William A. Jacobson of Legal Isurrection kicks the Birthers when they’re down. Jacobson writes,

Which gets me to the Obama birth certificate conspiracy theory, to wit, the claim that Obama was not born in the U.S.A., despite the official Hawaiian record of his “live birth” and contemporaneous newspaper announcements. It is this latter evidence that seals the deal for me. Much like the craziness regarding Trig Palin and the ice measurements, to accept that 48 years ago someone had the foresight to plant newspaper stories in anticipation of Barack Hussein Obama becoming president half a century later just isn’t credible. As Obama himself has proclaimed, would anyone who wanted him to become President have given him that middle name? If they were so smart as to plant stories in the newspaper, why not give him a name like William Jefferson Obama or George Herbert Walker Obama?

Also, please see Edward Feser’s The Trouble with Conspiracy Theories.  It lets us know why the Birthers are wrong on a metaphysical level.

22 Comments

  1. That plus the fact that Ann Dunham was a U.S. citizen who had lived at least 5 years in the U.S., at least 2 of which followed her fourteenth birthday, meaning he’d be a natural born citizen no matter where he was born.

    Comment by Xrlq — 7/22/2009 @ 7:55 pm

  2. Looks like most of the folks in Klein’s comment thread aren’t buying his dismissal of the issue.

    Comment by gp — 7/22/2009 @ 8:49 pm

  3. There’s so much shady stuff behind Obama, and this is what people focus on? Nothing worse than a simple, easy-to-disprove conspiracy theory.

    How about this instead: Obama conspired with socialist billionaires to crater the US financial system last September. Not only did that doom McCain, but anything that hurts capitalism has got to be good, right?

    Probably wrong, but much harder to disprove.

    Comment by Kevin Murphy — 7/22/2009 @ 11:44 pm

  4. I guess the thing I’d ask a birther is: Suppose BHO is ineligible for the presidency on constitutional grounds. What are you going to do about it? BHO isn’t going to resign. He isn’t likely to be impeached. His presidency is a fait accompli; probably nothing short of civil violence could unseat him. And who would replace him? Biden? Pelosi?

    Comment by gp — 7/23/2009 @ 7:06 am

  5. Aren’t the odd established facts of his childhood and adulthood more than enough for people? Being born in Hawaii might be the only thing this guy has done right.

    Comment by Will — 7/23/2009 @ 9:23 am

  6. If civil violence ever removed this president then Biden and Pelosi would be violently removed as well.

    Comment by jack — 7/23/2009 @ 10:22 am

  7. Then why is BHO spending more than $1million to NOT produce his BC, not certificate of live birth?

    Occam’s razor.

    Comment by PCD — 7/23/2009 @ 10:28 am

  8. I believe that’s a later law, Xrlq, not the law at the time Obama was born. When he was born, it was ‘at least one parent is a US citizen who has lived in the us for 5 years after the 14th birthday’ which Ann Dunham was not. (That is, if he even was born, and was not delivered to us through a process of coalescing from the immaterial.)

    As for how to remove him; the Supreme Court invalidates him and Biden assumes the Presidency. The only problem would be the news media. Oh, and Chavez would be supporting him, and trying to fly him back into the country.

    Comment by luagha — 7/23/2009 @ 10:32 am

  9. However, faced with Biden as president, how many people would be willing to go ahead with this. This has been a standard joke for may years. I remember hearing it regarding Nixon and Agnew.

    The president was worried about assassination so he chose (fill in the blank) as Vice-President. Faced with that possibility, no assassin would dare attack the President.

    Comment by Sabba Hillel — 7/23/2009 @ 10:38 am

  10. President Obama has proven that he is legally qualified to be the President (the P. Klein piece states it well). At least, that is my belief.

    With that said…

    What IS the big mystery about not releasing the Birth Certificate? Millions upon millions of Americans do so almost routinely. It is odd that President Obama has refused, and as such, almost forces the question of ”why”.

    Also, no undergraduate transcripts, no graduate transcripts, no law review articles (except one possible) — why?

    Comment by Pons Asinorum — 7/23/2009 @ 12:46 pm

  11. If I’m allowed to dip my feet in the conspiracy here, it MAY be because he is listed as Arab on the birth certificate. Assuming they did that and blah, blah, blah. That’s just the conspiracy theory I think that may have some credence. As for the graduate transcripts, I’m pretty sure he wrote more radicalist papers than America would be comfortable knowing.

    All rights the internets, there’s my lame opinion, anyone have an argument for or against?

    Comment by Will — 7/23/2009 @ 3:02 pm

  12. “he is listed as Arab on the birth certificate.” So there _is_ a birth certificate? :)

    Comment by gp — 7/23/2009 @ 3:32 pm

  13. I have thought of two possible reasons for his refusal to release a (valid) birth certificate that assume that he does have one.

    1. Just think of how much time, money , and effort have been put into this kerfuffle. Consider how much credibility has been lost by (legitimate) critics of “that man” because they are “tarred with the same brush” as conspiracy nuts. He may be doing this deliberately in order to stir up the controversy and discredit his opponents. Otherwise, he might have to argue on the merits of the case.

    2. Since he is known as arrogant, narcissistic, and selfish – perhaps it is a matter of “Because I can.” In this scenario, he regards the very request to be such an insult that he will go to any length to deny his opponents the “satisfaction” of having “forced” him to do anything.

    Comment by Sabba Hillel — 7/24/2009 @ 4:51 am

  14. Don’t you guys get it???? Release of the counterfeit original is being delayed until the document age accelerating process being applied to it is finished.

    Comment by Ira — 7/24/2009 @ 6:50 am

  15. Dr. Fukino in her press release of October 31, 2008 – http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf – states:

    “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.”

    “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

    “No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”

    Notice that this states nothing about what is on the long-form birth certificate or how it was acquired. If you check the news, you can then see a variety of statements from ‘Janice Okubo’, the spokeswoman for the Department. But when asked, she always states that she does not have the authority to make any sort of real statement.

    It’s just funny. It’s a ha-ha.

    Comment by luagha — 7/24/2009 @ 9:03 am

  16. Hmm… great points, Sabba. Why bend on this issue when you can always just go “Crazy Conservatives, am I right?” So all we have is the one birth-certificate-like-thingy, an assurance it’s there by the government, a birth annoucement, and no truly discernable reason why this would have been faked in the first place.

    Well, I’m satisified! Now I really do get why we should start ignoring this issue completely. And I will in 3…2…1…

    Comment by Will — 7/24/2009 @ 4:38 pm

  17. Err … you do know … err … that it was Dick Cheney who said Obama was the new President of the United States? Or don’t you?

    Comment by nk — 7/26/2009 @ 9:47 pm

  18. nk, err, what ever happened to fulfilling the law as the law is written, not as a Liberal fantasizes that it should be?

    Comment by PCD — 7/27/2009 @ 6:06 am

  19. PCD, I have told you before, I am not a liberal, I am a bigot. And honest to Goodness, it was Dick Cheney who reported the vote of the Electoral College to Congress.

    For crying out loud, guys, let’s say the little bastard spawn of a Kenyan bigamist and underage Kansas hippie was in fact born in Kenya. Or in Moscow. Why do you insist that it’s in the jurisdiction of the Article III branch of government? Why not accept the decision of the Article I and II branches? You do on much more important things such as “give me half the money you made so I can spend it for you”.

    Comment by nk — 7/27/2009 @ 8:17 am

  20. NK, either you follow the Constitution or you don’t. No gray area here. If you think being born in Kenya fulfills the Constitutional Requirements for President, you need to have your law license pulled.

    Comment by PCD — 7/27/2009 @ 11:29 am

  21. Age and Citizenship requirements – US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

    No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

    Comment by PCD — 7/27/2009 @ 11:34 am

  22. Me-Joe-Bi-den.
    My boss the son of an Englishman?
    Learn to live with that you dread,
    or “Hail to Prez TWO-holes-in-head.”

    Comment by fat tony — 7/27/2009 @ 12:56 pm

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