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		<title>By: Amphipolis</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/jury/2008/11/30/ask-not-what-this-blog-can-do-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-592</link>
		<dc:creator>Amphipolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, although I do not find f-bombs as entertaining as other far more colorful ad hominems I have seen.

Blogging has vastly improved my ability to cogently argue my positions. I can anticipate the counter arguments (watch for the inevitable straw men, for instance) and more easily defend them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, although I do not find f-bombs as entertaining as other far more colorful ad hominems I have seen.</p>
<p>Blogging has vastly improved my ability to cogently argue my positions. I can anticipate the counter arguments (watch for the inevitable straw men, for instance) and more easily defend them.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Raymond Wright</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/jury/2008/11/30/ask-not-what-this-blog-can-do-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-573</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Raymond Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JRM very insightful post.  For me it&#039;s a little of everything.  But what I really like is being able to say what I think and not having to dress it up for &quot;polite&quot; society.  We&#039;re still screwed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JRM very insightful post.  For me it&#8217;s a little of everything.  But what I really like is being able to say what I think and not having to dress it up for &#8220;polite&#8221; society.  We&#8217;re still screwed!</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/jury/2008/11/30/ask-not-what-this-blog-can-do-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-506</link>
		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JRM,

The reaction to Patterico&#039;s post that Obama is a decent guy is one of the reasons I like the internet -- because the responses typically are the unvarnished truth of how we really feel about topics.  I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s true in &quot;real life.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JRM,</p>
<p>The reaction to Patterico&#8217;s post that Obama is a decent guy is one of the reasons I like the internet &#8212; because the responses typically are the unvarnished truth of how we really feel about topics.  I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s true in &#8220;real life.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Apogee</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/jury/2008/11/30/ask-not-what-this-blog-can-do-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>Apogee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JRM - I disagree with you, but I&#039;m willing to let it go, because I know that, deep down, you&#039;re evil and stupid.

I agree that most Americans want a better America, but I think they aren&#039;t challenged enough to discover for themselves what makes that possible, either in the education system, the media, or socially.  This is the poison that is Political Correctness.  PC is the single greatest threat to civilization in the history of Man, because it &lt;i&gt;censors&lt;/i&gt; opposing thought, rather than &lt;i&gt;answering&lt;/i&gt; it.  Which forms the basis of my contention that many Americans haven&#039;t been exposed to the ideas that would be needed to form diverse views of how to get to a better America.

What we see presented as &#039;vigorous debate&#039; is actually a censoring contest, using numbers, noise, physical intimidation, social pressure or cherrypicked authority to present one agenda as &#039;obvious truth&#039; while simultaneously actively suppressing any and all dissent to such agenda.

The effect of this is to present a football game, on every channel, regardless of what anyone wants to watch.  After enough time has passed, football is all anyone knows.  Sites like these are an antidote to that line of thought.  This is why I fully support the banning of trolls - not people who disagree, but people who come here to play football.  There are plenty of football sites, this site is about ideas, not winning at any cost.  It may not be the trolls&#039; fault that they are programmed for football, but their presence prevents moving away from that brainwashed view. 

For me, this is why blogging and commenting are important.  Like the characters in Logan&#039;s Run, readers venturing outside the stadium might discover a third way of thinking - one that holds disdain for the &#039;sides&#039;, and prefers the battle of ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JRM &#8211; I disagree with you, but I&#8217;m willing to let it go, because I know that, deep down, you&#8217;re evil and stupid.</p>
<p>I agree that most Americans want a better America, but I think they aren&#8217;t challenged enough to discover for themselves what makes that possible, either in the education system, the media, or socially.  This is the poison that is Political Correctness.  PC is the single greatest threat to civilization in the history of Man, because it <i>censors</i> opposing thought, rather than <i>answering</i> it.  Which forms the basis of my contention that many Americans haven&#8217;t been exposed to the ideas that would be needed to form diverse views of how to get to a better America.</p>
<p>What we see presented as &#8216;vigorous debate&#8217; is actually a censoring contest, using numbers, noise, physical intimidation, social pressure or cherrypicked authority to present one agenda as &#8216;obvious truth&#8217; while simultaneously actively suppressing any and all dissent to such agenda.</p>
<p>The effect of this is to present a football game, on every channel, regardless of what anyone wants to watch.  After enough time has passed, football is all anyone knows.  Sites like these are an antidote to that line of thought.  This is why I fully support the banning of trolls &#8211; not people who disagree, but people who come here to play football.  There are plenty of football sites, this site is about ideas, not winning at any cost.  It may not be the trolls&#8217; fault that they are programmed for football, but their presence prevents moving away from that brainwashed view. </p>
<p>For me, this is why blogging and commenting are important.  Like the characters in Logan&#8217;s Run, readers venturing outside the stadium might discover a third way of thinking &#8211; one that holds disdain for the &#8216;sides&#8217;, and prefers the battle of ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: JRM</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/jury/2008/11/30/ask-not-what-this-blog-can-do-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-502</link>
		<dc:creator>JRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apogee:

I agree that there are differences, but a lot of people view this as a football game. Look at the reaction to Patterico&#039;s post on Prop 8 and his post that Obama wasn&#039;t the worst human being ever. It was not just that he was mistaken, but that he was dishonest and evil and betraying his team.

I expected that, but the degree of the fury was rather spectacular. People quit reading because of it (or at least said they would.) 

Not everyone believes that people who disagree with them are evil and stupid, but some degree of confirmation bias affects almost everyone.

I think most of America wants a better America, but views getting there in different ways.

--JRM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apogee:</p>
<p>I agree that there are differences, but a lot of people view this as a football game. Look at the reaction to Patterico&#8217;s post on Prop 8 and his post that Obama wasn&#8217;t the worst human being ever. It was not just that he was mistaken, but that he was dishonest and evil and betraying his team.</p>
<p>I expected that, but the degree of the fury was rather spectacular. People quit reading because of it (or at least said they would.) </p>
<p>Not everyone believes that people who disagree with them are evil and stupid, but some degree of confirmation bias affects almost everyone.</p>
<p>I think most of America wants a better America, but views getting there in different ways.</p>
<p>&#8211;JRM</p>
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		<title>By: Apogee</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/jury/2008/11/30/ask-not-what-this-blog-can-do-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>Apogee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JRM - Your analysis is great, but I would argue one point.  It would be tempting to think that there were &#039;sides&#039; represented that one could take and always be in agreement, confirming one&#039;s beliefs.  The problem is that it&#039;s simply not true that humans are divided into such distinct groupings.  I don&#039;t know where to go to on the net that will always confirm my pre-existing views.

What makes me appreciate this blog and PP&#039;s is the fact that I have sometimes been in agreement with aphrael, and disagreement with nk or Scott Jacobs.  The quality of the commenters here (when the trolls are removed) is such that anyone  truly wishing to communicate and learn finds it difficult to fall into the lazy assumptions that beget the notion of a &#039;side&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JRM &#8211; Your analysis is great, but I would argue one point.  It would be tempting to think that there were &#8216;sides&#8217; represented that one could take and always be in agreement, confirming one&#8217;s beliefs.  The problem is that it&#8217;s simply not true that humans are divided into such distinct groupings.  I don&#8217;t know where to go to on the net that will always confirm my pre-existing views.</p>
<p>What makes me appreciate this blog and PP&#8217;s is the fact that I have sometimes been in agreement with aphrael, and disagreement with nk or Scott Jacobs.  The quality of the commenters here (when the trolls are removed) is such that anyone  truly wishing to communicate and learn finds it difficult to fall into the lazy assumptions that beget the notion of a &#8216;side&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/jury/2008/11/30/ask-not-what-this-blog-can-do-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-498</link>
		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like posts like this that make me think about what I think.  I probably blog because of a combination of 2 and 4, although in my case I want &quot;To have a place to talk to &lt;b&gt;non&lt;/b&gt;-like-thinking people.&quot;  I like living in a town where most people share my values but I go online because I also enjoy talking to people with other views.  And I like Patterico&#039;s website because he cultivates a respectful discussion with people of different views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like posts like this that make me think about what I think.  I probably blog because of a combination of 2 and 4, although in my case I want &#8220;To have a place to talk to <b>non</b>-like-thinking people.&#8221;  I like living in a town where most people share my values but I go online because I also enjoy talking to people with other views.  And I like Patterico&#8217;s website because he cultivates a respectful discussion with people of different views.</p>
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