The Jury Talks Back

11/26/2008

Well, they almost HAVE to say it, don’t they?

Filed under: Uncategorized — Scott Jacobs @ 10:11 am

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand just in time for the holidays, we have our regular threat of violence from AQ.

This time, it is NYC subways that are the target.  This is amid reports of explosions, shootings, and hostage-takings in Mumbai, which authorities ARE calling terrorist attacks…  As I find actual links to news stories about it, I’ll update this post.

UpdateBest I can find is a short article at SkyNews

Update x2 – Ok, it seems that several bombs have gone off (most recent report I heard also includes a car bomb in a taxi lighting off at a “domestic airport”), and several sites are either held hostage by gunmen or are under siege.  Al Jazeera and the UK Telegraph both have good articles regarding what’s going on.

Update x3 – Reports say that 40 brits and Americans are being held inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai.  It has also been reported that the terrorists were targeting people with USA or UK passports.

Update x4 – Officials in India are saying 40-80 dead, 200 wounded in attacks…

Update x5Photo and info here (thanks EricPWJohnson) and there’s more at the India Uncut blog (thanks Kevin Murphy)

Also, the US has condemed the attacks.  Thank god, for a second I thought we might be fans…

Idiots.

As a personal note, if there is even one US citizen held hostage (and it appears thatthere are at least several US and UK citizens), we need to have the SAS, SEALs, and FBI Hostage Rescue Team (the breachers, these guys don’t do the talky-talky stuff) throw dice, and the winner go clear this place.  India has a problem with us taking care of this problem…

Well, they can go fornicate themselves with the garden implement of their choice…

30 Comments

  1. The press seems to have trouble using the word “Muslim” in describing the attackers. You think maybe they’re Swedes?

    Comment by Kevin Murphy — 11/26/2008 @ 2:13 pm

  2. The Times of India reports 80 dead and more than 900 injured, including this:

    “The attacks have taken a tragic toll on the city’s top police brass: The high-profile chief of the anti-terror squad Hemant Karkare was killed; Mumbai’s additional commissioner of police (east) Ashok Kamte was gunned down outside the Metro; and celebrated encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar was also killed.”

    Comment by DRJ — 11/26/2008 @ 2:16 pm

  3. More bad news:

    “Some media reports attributed the attack to Lashkar-e-Taiba. There were also unconfirmed reports that some of the terrorists came in by sea. A boat laden with explosives was recovered later at night off the Gateway of India.

    Well after midnight, sources said two of the terrorists were shot and wounded at Girgaum in south Mumbai. The two were driving in a commandeered silver-coloured Skoda car. Earlier, these men had sprayed bullets from a police Bolero, outside the Metro Adlabs multiplex.

    The attacks occurred at the busiest places. Besides hotels and hospitals, terrorists struck at railway stations, Crawford Market, Wadi Bunder and on the Western Express Highway near the airport. Several of these places are within a one-km radius of the commissioner of police’s office.

    “This is definitely a terrorist strike. Seven places have been attacked with automatic weapons and grenades. Terrorists are still holed up in three locations Taj and Oberoi hotels and GT Hospital. Encounters are on at all three places,” said Maharashtra DGP A N Roy.”

    Comment by DRJ — 11/26/2008 @ 2:18 pm

  4. Comment by Kevin Murphy — 11/26/2008 @ 2:13 pm

    The BBC’s Andrew Whitehead says a claim of responsibility by a little-known group, Deccan Mujhaideen, may harden suspicions that Islamic radicals are involved.

    Comment by Dana — 11/26/2008 @ 2:21 pm

  5. Gosh, the more I read about this, the more terrible it becomes. Unbelievable.

    Comment by Dana — 11/26/2008 @ 2:24 pm

  6. If the world thinks we’ve been so tough regarding our dealings with terrorists, wait until the Indian intelligence agencies and counterstrike forces begin the inevitable rollback to this atrocity. They’ve had decades of dealing with terror groups, they’ll make our actions look like a nice game of lawn darts when all is said and done.

    Comment by Dmac — 11/26/2008 @ 2:36 pm

  7. I blame Bush.

    Comment by JD — 11/26/2008 @ 3:55 pm

  8. There’s more at the India Uncut blog.

    Comment by Kevin Murphy — 11/26/2008 @ 3:57 pm

  9. Two of the closest countries lately have been India and Israel. Guess why.

    Comment by Kevin Murphy — 11/26/2008 @ 3:59 pm

  10. http://broadband.indiatimes.com/toivideolist/3761413.cms

    More info here and pics

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 11/26/2008 @ 4:44 pm

  11. I’m with JD, I blame Bush, it’s all his fault!!! Imagine this kind of attack in NYC, or L.A., or Chicago???? Then it really would be Bush’s fault!

    Comment by J. Raymond Wright — 11/26/2008 @ 5:17 pm

  12. An incredible photo of the destroyed Taj Majal Hotel is here.

    Comment by DRJ — 11/26/2008 @ 5:29 pm

  13. They’ve been targeting Jews too. One of the buildings they’ve occupied is “Nariman House”, which is the Chabad House of Bombay. They’re currently holding hostages in the building, and there is no news about their status. Rabbi Gavriel and Rivka Holtzberg, and their son Moshe, have not been heard from since early in the attack.

    Comment by Milhouse — 11/26/2008 @ 6:58 pm

  14. Nine of the assholes captured so far. Hopefully their interrogators will quickly find out who all their playmates are.

    Comment by gp — 11/26/2008 @ 8:32 pm

  15. The way hostage rescue works —

    If US persons are taken overseas, joint military authorities will begin watching and will offer assistance, through normal military-diplomatic channels, to the nation in which the hostages are held. That nation may or may not accept assistance (it usually will not).

    The FBI HRT only operates in the US — which, given their record, is one country too many. But the price of Posse Comitatus is third world levels of unprofessionalism in hostage rescue.

    Comment by Kevin R.C. O'Brien — 11/26/2008 @ 8:41 pm

  16. The possibility of more terrorism seems likely. What interrogation techniques should be used on the suspected terrorists who have been captured?

    Comment by DRJ — 11/26/2008 @ 9:21 pm

  17. I was just reading Jihad Watch re the threat here in the United States. This was posted today,

    “The threat is serious, the threat is significant, and it is plausible,” said Congressman Peter King, R-Long Island, a member of the House Homeland Security Committee.

    Uniformed officers, including this NYPD Counter Terrorism Squad members and Amtrak cops with M-16s, flooded Penn Station Wednesday after the FBI said it had received a “plausible but unsubstantiated” report that Al Qaeda operatives discussed a plan two months ago to bomb New York City’s mass transit system.

    http://jihadwatch.org/

    Comment by Dana — 11/26/2008 @ 9:25 pm

  18. More terrorism,yes,

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27935742/

    KABUL, Afghanistan – A suicide car bomber targeting an American convoy exploded about 200 yards outside the U.S. Embassy in Kabul on Thursday, killing at least four people just as American civilians were entering the compound for a Thanksgiving Day race.

    Comment by Dana — 11/26/2008 @ 10:00 pm

  19. The latest is that the hostages in the Taj were freed and that the terrorists there are now carbon-neutral.

    4-5 hostages remain in the Oberoi and Indian CT commandos are working on that.

    Ten sites in all were attacked. So far, no American deaths confirmed, two Aussies and a Japanese, though. Many of the Americans, Brits and Canadians in the area are of Indian descent and may have been able to pass — not that Indians were safe; the gunmen seem to have fired at random many times.

    The death of the top CT top was not a targeted assassination. He went straight to where the shooting was and ran out of luck.

    They’re already finding some interesting things in the investigation — get away from the AP and CNN repeating each other’s stuff and check the Indian press for up-to-the-minute info.

    Comment by Kevin R.C. O'Brien — 11/26/2008 @ 10:53 pm

  20. I had to give up on CNN. Every time I turned it on they were filling air talking about “why they hate us” and root causes. Does it never end?

    Comment by Kevin Murphy — 11/26/2008 @ 11:00 pm

  21. IBN (India) English language news stream

    Comment by Kevin Murphy — 11/26/2008 @ 11:37 pm

  22. The death of the top CT top was not a targeted assassination. He went straight to where the shooting was and ran out of luck.

    I heard that, that he was shot leading a charge or something…

    That’s a man who understands duty. I’ll take 10 more just like him.

    Comment by Scott Jacobs — 11/26/2008 @ 11:58 pm

  23. Still no word on the people in the Chabad House (Nariman House). This was one of the initial targets; as soon as the terrorists got off the boat, a group of them seem to have gone straight there. The IBN news people seem not to quite understand that this is a Jewish community centre, and therefore a logical target for Moslem terrorists.

    They seem to have initially been under the impression that perhaps the Jews were involved with the terrorists, maybe because they’re all from the Middle East or something? It was only after the escape of the maid and cook, with the little boy (whom they keep calling a girl, probably because of his long hair), that they realised that the people inside are hostages.

    Please pray for Gavi and Rivkah Holtzman, and the other people in the Chabad House.

    Comment by Milhouse — 11/27/2008 @ 3:34 am

  24. Oops, Holtzberg. Not that it matters. “Iceberg, Goldberg, what’s the difference?”

    Comment by Milhouse — 11/27/2008 @ 3:35 am

  25. “What interrogation techniques should be used?” If you’re dealing with one of those “I crave death more than you love life” types, then you have to kill his parents, siblings, and children in front of him. I don’t see any other handle on guys like that.

    Comment by gp — 11/27/2008 @ 6:37 am

  26. “What interrogation techniques should be used?”

    While the situation is still unresolved, the most expedient methods may be employed in order to save innocent lives. Later more considered techniques will be appropriate. But for now, hard men should be allowed a free hand to extract critical information without fear of consequence.

    Comment by Ropelight — 11/27/2008 @ 9:32 am

  27. Comment by DRJ — 11/26/2008 @ 9:21 pm

    Those methods will be determined by Indian authorities,
    in accordance with their laws, traditions, and experience in these matters.
    The Senate Cmte on the Judiciary will not get to knit-pick, nor will Cong. Waxman hold hearings.

    Who knows, even without our exhalted expertise,
    the Indian Gov’t. might actually succeed in dealing with this matter.

    Comment by Another Drew — 11/27/2008 @ 1:41 pm

  28. “What interrogation techniques should be used?”

    Whatever. It. Takes.

    Comment by Scott Jacobs — 11/27/2008 @ 4:55 pm

  29. One should really not expect to go into a hotel and murder 30 people at random and be allowed to surrender peaceably. I expect that when all the counting is done, we’ll find that all the captured gunmen died of their wounds. After confessing.

    Comment by Kevin Murphy — 11/28/2008 @ 10:02 am

  30. Comment by Kevin Murphy — 11/28/2008 @ 10:02 am

    I can only imagine the outcry from Amnesty Int’l, and the India Civil Liberties Union from such an outcome.

    Poor babies!

    Comment by Another Drew — 11/28/2008 @ 10:08 am

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