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9/23/2021

By A Large Margin, House Votes For $1 Billion Funding For Israel’s Iron Dome

Filed under: General — Dana @ 1:27 pm



[guest post by Dana]

It’s done:

An overwhelming bipartisan majority of the House voted Thursday to pass $1 billion in funding for Israel’s “Iron Dome” missile defense system days after progressives succeeded in getting the funds stripped from a temporary government funding bill.

The bill passed 420-9-2, with Reps. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.), André Carson (D-Ind.), Marie Newman (D-Ill.), Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.), Cori Bush (D-Mo.) and Chuy Garcia (D-Ill.) voting against it.

Reps. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) voted “present.”

The development came after Republicans and moderate Democrats alike erupted at progressives for getting the funds stripped from a stopgap funding bill that passed the House on Tuesday.

Before the vote, Rep. Tlaib mistakenly referred to the Iron Dome missile defense system as a “weapon” while agreeing with Human Rights Watch that Israel is an “apartheid regime”:

Rep. Elise Slotkin took to Twitter to correct Tlaib:

Rep. Ted Deutch also took Tlaib to the woodshed for calling Israel an “apartheid state”:

From Deutch:

If there’s no place in the world for one Jewish state, that’s anti-Semitism.

Earlier this year, four Jewish House Democrats were compelled to rebuke Democratic colleagues for attacking Israel as an apartheid state. In part:

“Elected officials have used reckless, irresponsible antisemitic rhetoric,” said the letter sent Tuesday…“We also reject comments from Members of Congress accusing Israel of being an ‘apartheid state’ and committing ‘act[s]’ of terrorism,” the letter said. “These statements are antisemitic at their core and contribute to a climate that is hostile to many Jews. We must never forget that less than eighty years ago, within the lifetime of our parents and grandparents, six million people were murdered by the Nazis in the Holocaust because they were Jews. Israel has long provided the Jewish people with a homeland in which they can be safe after facing centuries of persecution.”

Anyway, I was curious about why Squad members would pick a fight over the Iron Dome now, given that Democrats are facing any number of enormous issues (infrastructure bill, Haitian humanitarian crises at the Southern border, continued in-fighting between the progressive wing and centrist Democrats, Biden’s sinking approval ratings (including Black voters), the pandemic, etc). Good thing Jim Geraghty was already wondering the same thing:

So what gives? What spurred Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar to pick this fight on this issue now?

Could it be that Tlaib can sense that she and the other members of the Squad are about to get dealt a big defeat on the infrastructure spending bill – either being forced to settle for significantly less spending than they publicly demanded, or sensing that the whole massive infrastructure bill is going down in defeat – and she or they wanted to have some other big, symbolic fight to reassure their progressive supporters that they were fighting the good fight?

Put another way, if you were Tlaib and you felt really good that your party had enough votes to get your preferred version of the spending bills passed… would you pick this fight over Iron Dome funding here and now?

House Democrats clearly have an anti-Israel-anti-Semitism problem. The question is, will Nancy Pelosi do what it takes to get her house in order and actually stand up to members who continue to push that particular brand of ugliness, or will she keep providing cover for offending members by continuing to claim that “We have no taint of that in the Democratic Party”?

–Dana

95 Responses to “By A Large Margin, House Votes For $1 Billion Funding For Israel’s Iron Dome”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (174549)

  2. Nice to know where Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Insurrectionist) stands.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  3. Marie Newman making a play for the Arthur Jones voters that didn’t go to her predecessor?

    urbanleftbehind (947460)

  4. AOC needs to answer some questions. Probably after Sukkot.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  5. Nice to know where Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Insurrectionist) stands.

    As opposed to the D-Taliban members? Say what you want about Massie, he probably wasn’t cheering when the towers came down.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  6. The question is, will Nancy Pelosi do what it takes to get her house in order and actually stand up to members who continue to push that particular brand of ugliness

    She will attack Massie, who has no cover.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  7. I think Israel is a good ally and I support their right to exist. But how are they not an apartheid state?

    Time123 (eaecaf)

  8. The name” the squad” should be changed to the” anti-semitic caucus”.

    mg (8cbc69)

  9. Anti -semite cortez who represents New York {pathetic schiff hole] changed her vote from no to present.
    Senate ambitions?

    mg (8cbc69)

  10. Massie doesn’t support much of any foreign spending/aid.

    Colonel Haiku (a28946)

  11. The company you keep……

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  12. 9… she did so with tears in her eyes, mg.

    And was immediately surrounded by her fellow sh*tbird terrorist sympathizers…

    Colonel Haiku (a28946)

  13. IOW, the sort Rip supports…

    Colonel Haiku (a28946)

  14. I don’t support anyone…….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  15. #7 ” . . . are they not an apartheid state?”

    No.

    Take a look, for instance, at the membership of the Knesset, and who the Deputy Speaker is.

    And this poll result:

    A poll conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute in April and May 2014 showed that while a majority of both Jews and Arabs in Israel are proud to be citizens of the country, both groups share a distrust of Israel’s government, including the Knesset. Almost three quarters of Israelis surveyed said corruption in Israel’s political leadership was either “widespread or somewhat prevalent”. A majority of both Arabs and Jews trusted the Israel Defense Forces, the President of Israel, and the Supreme Court of Israel, but Jews and Arabs reported similar levels of mistrust, with little more than a third of each group claiming confidence in the Knesset.

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  16. But how are they not an apartheid state?

    How are they an apartheid state? Arab citizens of Israel have the right to vote. They can run for office. They have elected members in the Knesset that are currently part of the ruling coalition. Arabs serve in the armed forces. An Arab member of the Supreme Court retired a few years ago.

    Are there any other countries in the middle east that give Jews the right to vote, hold elected office? Do any of them have Jewish judges? Are they apartheid states?

    Mattsky (55d339)

  17. Well, except for the Arabs in the Occupied Territories….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  18. Only a billion? Chump change, not worth the fuss.

    nk (1d9030)

  19. Anti -semite cortez who represents New York {pathetic schiff hole] changed her vote from no to present.
    Senate ambitions?

    Maybe Ruben Gallegos want to join his AZhomeboy Grijalva, but didn’t want to catch a cast iron skillet to the face (see “Personal Life”)

    urbanleftbehind (947460)

  20. The squad and much of the left is anti-Semitic. That comes as no surprise.

    They are also anti-white and anti-Western Civilization. Carry on.

    NJRob (f27d8a)

  21. Arabs in the Occupied Territories….

    Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005. They removed settlers from 21 settlements and all IDF troops. What they got in return was bombings followed by rocket and tunnel attacks. Why would they withdraw from the West Bank after that?

    They have their own governments in Gaza and the West Bank. Mahmoud Abbas is in the 16th year of a 4 year term. Imagine if Bush kept cancelling elections since 2008 and stayed in power? They keep cancelling elections and blaming the Jews.

    In 2000 Arafat walked away from Camp David. They could have settled it all then. They didn’t want to live peace in 2000 or in 1948 and they don’t now. The Palestinians aren’t interested in a 2 state solution. They want 1 state with out any Jews. How many times have you heard them say “From the river to the sea.” ? Look at the map, they want it all. Israel made peace with Egypt and Jorden. They gave back land they won in war. They have honored the peace with both countries for decades.

    Apartheid state? It’s a lie that keeps getting repeated. Go read what South Africa was. There is no comparison.

    “I regret that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace.” – Bill Clinton

    Mattsky (55d339)

  22. The $1B is in addition to the annual military aid Israel receives (approx. $3.8B), of which Iron Dome is allocated $500M out of the $3.8B Israel receives annually from the US. The $1B is to replace the rockets fired at Gaza earlier this year.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  23. Israel made peace with Egypt and Jorden (sic). They gave back land they won in war.

    What land did Israel return to Jordan?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  24. What land did Israel return to Jordan?

    Al-Ghumar

    Mattsky (55d339)

  25. #21 Mattsky – One way to understand the Palestinian problem is to realize that they are, unlike the Italians, the Germans, and even, finally, the Japanese, unwilling to accept that the allies won WW II. Too many Palestinians are unwilling to accept that defeat.

    And you can understand that even better if you recognize that Mein Kampf and the “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” are “perennial best sellers” in Gaza and the West Bank.

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  26. Rip – I assume you know that Jordan doesn’t want any more Palestinians.

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  27. @27-

    Completely. No one does.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  28. The ultra right in Israel doesn’t want peace either (except on their own terms). For example:

    The assassination of Israeli Prime Minister and Defence Minister Yitzhak Rabin was the culmination of an anti-violence rally in support of the Oslo peace process.[1] Rabin was disparaged personally by right-wing conservatives and Likud leaders who perceived the Oslo peace process as an attempt to forfeit the occupied territories and a capitulation to Israel’s enemies. …..
    National religious conservatives and Likud party leaders believed that withdrawing from any “Jewish” land was heresy. The Likud leader and future prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, accused Rabin’s government of being “removed from Jewish tradition […] and Jewish values”.

    Rallies organized by Likud and other right-wing groups featured depictions of Rabin in a Nazi SS uniform, or in the crosshairs of a gun. Protesters compared the Labor party to the Nazis and Rabin to Adolf Hitler[5] and chanted, “Rabin is a murderer” and “Rabin is a traitor”. In July 1995, Netanyahu led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman’s noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, “Death to Rabin”…….
    ……..
    The assassin was Yigal Amir, a 25-year-old former Hesder student and far-right law student at Bar-Ilan University. Amir had strenuously opposed Rabin’s peace initiative, particularly the signing of the Oslo Accords, because he felt that an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank would deny Jews their “biblical heritage which they had reclaimed by establishing settlements”. Amir had come to believe that Rabin was a rodef, meaning a “pursuer” who endangered Jewish lives. The concept of din rodef (“law of the pursuer”) is a part of traditional Jewish law. Amir believed he would be justified under din rodef in removing Rabin as a threat to Jews in the territories.

    In the Israeli settlements, pamphlets debating the validity of applying din rodef and din moser (“law of the informer”) to Rabin and the Oslo Accords were distributed at synagogues. Both carried a death sentence according to traditional Halakhic law……..
    ………
    The autopsy found that one bullet had entered Rabin’s lower back, ruptured his spleen, and punctured his left lung, while the other pierced his back below the collarbone, smashed through his ribcage, and pierced his right lung. Hiss concluded that Rabin had died of massive blood loss and the collapse of both of his lungs, and that his chances of surviving the shooting had been extremely low. A subsequent brain scan found an embolism in one of Rabin’s cerebral arteries, a large pocket of air which had entered his bloodstream in the lungs and traveled to the brain, restricting the flow of blood and oxygen. This blockage had hindered the resuscitation effort.

    Footnotes removed.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  29. Mattsky (55d339) — 9/23/2021 @ 5:44 pm:

    The land was not returned immediately. Only after Jordan refused to renew the Israeli lease for farming. Israel was not happy.

    ….After granting Israel access to the land as part of the 1994 peace treaty, Jordan declined to renew the agreement. The move, allowed under terms of the treaty, is the latest sign of the ongoing friction between the two countries and the end of a long tradition of local cross-border openness.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  30. The Palestinians resemble the American Indians more than they resemble the post-WWII Germans, Italians, and Japanese. A lot more.

    Which gives me an idea. We “resettled” Geronimo and his band to Florida. Why don’t we do the same thing with the Palestinian resistance? Resettle them in Florida. Broward County. Ted Deutsch can be their representative.

    nk (1d9030)

  31. Bennett has met with King Abdullah II in Amman and they have smoothed some things out. They aren’t shooting at each other and the peace has held for 26 years.

    Mattsky (55d339)

  32. The Palestinians resemble the American Indians more than they resemble the post-WWII Germans, Italians, and Japanese. A lot more.

    How come archaeologist never find Palestinian artifacts in all their digs in Israel?

    Mattsky (55d339)

  33. Poor AOC. Reduced to tears on the House floor because her fight to help Hamas shower rockets on Jews failed.

    Maybe if she had put that on her dress – “Kill Jews” – rather than “Tax the Rich,” it would have passed.

    Hoi Polloi (998b37)

  34. How come archaeologist never find Palestinian artifacts in all their digs in Israel?

    Recycling. The ancient Palestinians were fierce conservationists who recycled and repurposed everything, and what they did not use themselves exported to China to be processed back down to raw material.

    I’m not going to play “ancestral homeland”, Mattsky. A dozen nationalities had passed through the area known as Palestine before May 14, 1948 when Ben-Gurion proclaimed the State of Israel.

    nk (1d9030)

  35. For some strange reason they never find any nk. The Native American comparison is awful.

    Mattsky (55d339)

  36. Ms. Tlaib’s anti-Semitism always seems to bubble to the surface. Omar’s, too.
    Amazing that they would want to pull funding over a defensive system, as if they actually want to see Israelis killed by Hamas’ terrorist rocket strikes.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  37. What Israeli relics dating after 132 AD and before 1920 AD (give or take) do they find?

    nk (1d9030)

  38. Take religion and myth out and Jews have a better claim to Spain than they do to Palestine.

    nk (1d9030)

  39. What Israeli relics dating after 132 AD and before 1920 AD (give or take) do they find?

    The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, 2016 had an exhibit that excluded Jewish relics from a 1000 years ago.

    Jerusalem 1000 Years Ago a Treasure Trove of Artifacts
    All three main religions and the myriad communities comprising each one combined to produce a colorful array of objects, paintings, and artifacts that still today inspire us with wonder and enable the contemporary observer to enter, albeit partially, into the world and mindset of the people who inhabited and formed that fascinating period in human history. https://www.sdjewishworld.com/2021/03/03/jerusalem-1000-years-ago-a-treasure-trove-of-artifacts/

    Mattsky (55d339)

  40. From your link:

    Thus, in the 1020s the Fatimid caliph of Egypt made agreements with Italian merchants and the Byzantine emperor to join him in rebuilding the city after a series of earthquakes, and the Karaites, a community of Babylonian Jews, proclaimed the need to move to Jerusalem. In 1099 European Christians achieved their dream, by means of the Crusade, of conquering Jerusalem. By 1187 Saladin, founder of the Ayyubid dynasty, had retaken the city for Islam, to be succeeded by the Mamluk sultans who governed from Egypt. Each ruling power built and rebuilt monuments and centers of worship and study, in accordance with their beliefs, and in many cases destroyed those of their predecessors.

    Improved conditions of travel by sea and land in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries enabled pilgrims and travelers to reach Jerusalem, and some, such as Jacques de Vitry, bishop of Acre, an Anglo-Saxon monk known as Saewulf, and the Spanish Jewish poet Judah Halevi, inter alia, left accounts of their travels, the storms they encountered at sea, and the wonders of Jerusalem.

    nk (1d9030)

  41. Take religion and myth out and Jews have a better claim to Spain than they do to Palestine.

    Your post reads like it came from some Louis Farrakhan rant. The history of the Jews in the area that is now Israel goes back thousands of years and is well documented through archeology. It isn’t a myth.

    Mattsky (55d339)

  42. NK Jerusalem has been attacked and conquered by a lot of different nations. To say a Jewish connection to the place is myth is ridiculous. You ignore that exhibit had Jewish artifacts from a 1000 years ago from Jerusalem.

    Mattsky (55d339)

  43. The Roman Emperor Hadrian changed the provincial administrative name of Judaea to Palestine to erase the Jewish presence in the land. That what you’re trying to do too NK. Go dig up some crap from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion while you’re at it.

    Mattsky (55d339)

  44. The Great Diaspora is not a myth, either, although the date is around 136 AD (132 being the uprising that led to it). And Jews had already settled in Spain around the time of the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 AD until they were expelled from there too in 1492. That’s more than 1400 years.

    The history of the Jews in the area that is now Israel goes back thousands of years and is well documented through archeology.

    I don’t dispute that there were Jews in the area that is now Israel for thousands of years. In fact, I sometimes wonder what if Xerxes had won at Salamis? Would he have resettled the Babylonian Jews in Attica and the Athenians in Israel? I question the relevancy of the argument. Like I said before, a lot of different people have called that place home.

    nk (1d9030)

  45. Go dig up some crap from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion while you’re at it.

    Ok, we’re done.

    nk (1d9030)

  46. I don’t dispute that there were Jews in the area that is now Israel for thousands of years

    Then don’t call it a myth.

    Mattsky (55d339)

  47. Then don’t call it a myth.

    Is “Esther’s pillow talk with Xerxes” okay?

    I’m not mad at you, Mattsky. It’s an established fact that Israelis are far freer to criticize Israel’s policies than Americans are. And sooner or later it will lead to accusations of antisemitism. Which makes any discussion fruitless.

    nk (1d9030)

  48. It’s Ahasuerus. I don’t see anybody taking away your first amendment rights.

    Mattsky (55d339)

  49. What land did Israel return to Jordan?

    Doesn’t Jordan deny the West Bank and the rest of “Palestine” is theirs?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  50. Go dig up some crap from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion while you’re at it.

    I think we need to throw a flag on this play. I cannot think of something that is more of an ad hominum than this.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  51. https://freebeacon.com/campus/san-diego-teachers-union-passes-resolution-that-rejects-israels-legitimacy/

    Yet another leftist indoctrination center masquerading as a teacher’s union.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  52. Kevin M calling the Jewish connection to Israel a myth is the same crap as claiming Jesus was a Palestinian or that African Americans are the real descendants of the twelve Hebrew tribes of Israel not the present day Jews. Or that Israel is an apartheid state. It all bull shit like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    Mattsky (55d339)

  53. I think we need to throw a flag on this play. I cannot think of something that is more of an ad hominum than this.

    Nah! It’s nothing more than calling someone an anti-Semite by way of allusion. Which anyone who criticizes Israel in any way will inevitably be called.

    nk (1d9030)

  54. Breaking-

    Republican Review of Arizona Vote Fails to Show Stolen Election
    After months of delays and blistering criticism, a review of the 2020 election in Arizona’s largest county, ordered up and financed by Republicans, has failed to produce any evidence that former President Donald J. Trump was cheated of victory, according to a draft version of the report.

    In fact, the draft report from the company Cyber Ninjas found just the opposite: It tallied 99 additional votes for President Biden and 261 fewer votes for Mr. Trump in Maricopa County, the fast-growing region that includes Phoenix.
    ………
    I’m shocked !

    Rip Murdock (2c90e9)

  55. Recount results in AZ have been leaked. Trump cultists hardest hit.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  56. RINOS!!!!1!1!!!

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  57. It’s nothing more than calling someone an anti-Semite by way of allusion. Which anyone who criticizes Israel in any way will inevitably be called.

    Calling the connection between Israel and the Jewish people a myth isn’t a criticism of a policy of Israel. It calls into question it’s right to even exist. The myth is you thinking Jews had no presence in Jerusalem for most of the last 2000 years. Saying Jews have a stronger connection with Spain is ludicrous.

    Mattsky (55d339)

  58. 56-cash for clunkers

    mg (8cbc69)

  59. But was it a forensic audit to see how foreners voted?

    nk (1d9030)

  60. Mattsky, let me give you an insight to nk’s commenting style. nk is a lawyer, and has been trained to trained to argue adversarially; think Devil’s advocate. An uncharitable way to characterize this approach would be “trolling.” Whether nk is being tongue in cheek, or acerbic, his aim is to get to a truth – perhaps inconvenient, but truth, none the less. nk’s reference to “myth” is about the view that Sacred Scripture is not a credible source of information, and thus casts doubt on any claim that builds its foundation upon it.

    felipe (484255)

  61. Heh! “…and has been trained to trained to argue…”

    That was evidence of my Foghorn leghorn tendency in speech:

    “nk is a lawyer and has been trained to [,I say,] trained to argue adversarially…”

    felipe (484255)

  62. But was it a forensic audit to see how foreners voted?
    nk (1d9030) — 9/24/2021 @ 3:41 am

    Thank you for this new spelling – I think I may, prolly, adopt it.

    felipe (484255)

  63. Really, felipe? And when I was diplomatic enough to blame Ferdinand and Isabella for the expulsion of the Jews from Spain and not The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition?

    So it’s a particularly cold winter in Chicago, and Mr. Goldstein can’t take it anymore. He jumps up and shouts: “I’ve had it with this city! I’ve had it with this weather! I want to be where my people are!”

    And Mrs. Goldstein says: “What? You want to move to Israel?”

    And Mr. Goldstein says: “No! Miami Beach.”

    nk (1d9030)

  64. I think “God gave the Promised Land to His Chosen People and all the other people who have lived there in the last 2,500 years are only trespassers if they were ever there at all” is a thin thread to hang the Palestinians with, and I didn’t want to go there in the first place. It was Mattsky who insisted.

    nk (1d9030)

  65. Filipe I don’t care if he doesn’t believes what is in the bible. I didn’t use the bible as a reference.

    Denying Jewish history as a means of rejecting the legitimacy of Israel is antisemitism. I don’t give a dam if he’s a lawyer or a troll or both.

    Mattsky (55d339)

  66. It looks to me like Israel has a large population of people in their jurisdiction that are second class citizens, and whose children will be second class citizens. I don’t think this makes Israel an illegitimate state nor do I think it’s a problem with any obvious solutions. But its factual.

    Also AOC has absolutely be-clowned herself with this performance.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  67. I think “God gave the Promised Land to His Chosen People and all the other people who have lived there in the last 2,500 years are only trespassers if they were ever there at all” is a thin thread to hang the Palestinians with, and I didn’t want to go there in the first place. It was Mattsky who insisted.

    I didn’t go there NK. Is making crap up part of your training to argue as a adversarial?

    Mattsky (55d339)

  68. @60, Felipe, that’s the most generous description of NK’s style I could imagine. Such generosity is very consistent with your history. Always enjoy your comments.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  69. That lawyer stuff is felipe’s take, Mattsky. Who is not a lawyer. I would never talk in court the way I comment here. Only the judge’s humor is always funny. The lawyer’s humor is never funny.

    My commenting style is according to George Bernard Shaw: “If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they’ll kill you.”

    nk (1d9030)

  70. And you did “go there”, Mattsky, with whether archaeologist are digging up Palestinian relics, and with labeling 11th century Muslim relics as Jewish by virtue of being found in Jerusalem.

    nk (1d9030)

  71. My commenting style is according to George Bernard Shaw: “If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they’ll kill you.”

    What ever gave you the idea that you were funny? I guess the idea that you are funny may be funny but that’s about it.

    archaeologist are digging up Palestinian relics, and with labeling 11th century Muslim relics as Jewish by virtue of being found in Jerusalem.

    Do you have proof that the exhibit at The Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York in 2016 used mislabeled 11th century Muslim relics as Jewish?

    Mattsky (55d339)

  72. Do you have proof that the exhibit at The Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York in 2016 used mislabeled 11th century Muslim relics as Jewish?

    Your own link at 40 says that they are Muslim relics, Mattsky. I knew you hadn’t read it, so I copied and pasted it at my 41. But you did not read that either.

    nk (1d9030)

  73. nk so you have you have no proof that the exhibit at The Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York in 2016 used mislabeled 11th century Muslim relics as Jewish. You were just making it up. They had relics that were Muslim, Jewish and Christian. Your continued denial of Jewish history as a means of rejecting the legitimacy of Israel is antisemitism.


    Your own link at 40 says that they are Muslim relics, Mattsky. I knew you hadn’t read it, so I copied and pasted it at my 41. But you did not read that either.

    From the link in question: All three main religions and the myriad communities comprising each one combined to produce a colorful array of objects, paintings, and artifacts

    Mattsky (55d339)

  74. I think nk is funny sometimes.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  75. “In a highly unusual decision, the C.D.C. director, Rochelle Walensky, reversed a move by agency advisers and endorsed additional doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for health care workers, teachers and other workers at risk.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/24/world/covid-boosters-vaccine-cdc-director.html

    Obudman (5a5600)

  76. Anyway, enough of Mattsky. I did not follow his advice to go and read The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. But I did look up the Iron Dome.

    Where I found the word mahbosh. So I followed the link to … Israeli Military Prison:

    The Israeli Military Prison is a prison for guarding soldiers who committed crimes during their service. It is estimated that 15,000-18,000 Israeli soldiers (not to be confused with Palestinian detainees) go through an Israeli military prison or detention center every year.
    ….
    Havush (Hebrew: חבוש, and pl. חבושים havushim) – from a legal point of view, any prisoner who was given a sentence called mahbosh by a trial officer (called disciplinary court – not in a military tribunal), which cannot exceed 70 days (and is usually 28 days or shorter) falls under this category. These are ‘light’ prisoners who generally committed paltry crimes such as refusing to shave. They are generally the most trusted prisoners and get privileges such as being allowed to work outside the prison or guard it. It is assumed that the vast majority of havushim would not run away from prison, since it would greatly increase their sentences and worsen their living conditions.

    Which I thought was interesting because it ties in so well with the Covid vaccine for soldiers thread. And … I dunno … did our soldiers ever get 28 days in the stockade for refusing to shave?

    nk (1d9030)

  77. And the IDF is co-ed. Women are drafted, too. So I wonder … shave what? But I’m not going to look it up. You do it if you want to.

    nk (1d9030)

  78. I think nk is funny sometimes.

    I’ve never seen it. I’m done here.

    Mattsky (55d339)

  79. 66. Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/24/2021 @ 5:10 am

    It looks to me like Israel has a large population of people in their jurisdiction that are second class citizens,

    No. It has a large (?) number of people in its jurisdiction (non-Moslem foreign workers) who are not citizens at all.

    The situation in the annexed part of Jerusalem is voluntary non application for citizenship due to threats and peer pressure. But almost all Arabs who can want to live under Israeii rule. (The Arab position is they want Palestinian citizens to be able to get Israeli citizenship if they marry, which has been put on hold since 2003, but they don’t want Arab residents of Jerusalem to do so)

    The situation in the West Bank has been compared to that of a colony. Maybe now a semi-independent one. The Jews there live under military rule, and land tenure is not established but everything is 99 year leases I think – land was taken from government or was owned before 1948 by Jews – Ottoman law said unoccupied land reverted to the state and the ;and of Israel was losing population for 100 years or more till about 1880)

    Jews and Arabs have been largely separated since 1987 because of terrorist attacks.

    it’s a problem with any obvious solutions.

    It’s the wrong problem. The problem is murderous Jew hatred and a tendency to tell absurd lies about Israel and the inability to tell the truth. The citizenship problem is only a problem for people who want the world to be neat and systematic, It’s clear that any change would be for the worse, and that was true in 1993, and anything that looked it had a chance to settle the situation would result in an upsurge of terrorism sponsored by Iran. Iran won’t let the situation be resolved.

    Also AOC has absolutely be-clowned herself with this performance.

    No, the Squad

    HAS SHOWN WHAT THEY ARE.

    PEOPLE WILLING TO MAKE ATTEMPTS TO MURDER JEWS BE MORE SUCCESSFUL

    Or maybe just total idiots.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  80. In 1099 European Christians achieved their dream, by means of the Crusade, of conquering Jerusalem.

    Just one year after one group of Muslims was replaced by another group of Muslims.

    For about 100 years there were very few Jews in Jerusalem – so much so that I think that is when knowledge of the site of the Temple became lost (the Christian location was eventually accepted, but that is wrong.)

    It would be like 1,000 years after the destruction of the World Trade Center its location was put in Battery Park or One Police Plaza.

    What is now called the Temple Mount was the location of Fort Antonia. It’s got 4 ancient walls surrounding it, not only one.

    I know this sounds very strange but somebody once write a book and I think he;s mostly right except he didn’t try to pinpoint when the mistake was made and didn’t seem to realize that there had to be such a point.

    The Moslems know the true site, and it is under Moslem control, in order to prevent a rebuilding.

    That’s the half truth behind their claims that there was never a temple in Jerusalem.

    The actual site was completely destroyed and the land plowed. There was no trace of the Temple remaining. Except maybe for something about the western wall. That’s not clear, either.

    The Moslem ruler who built the Al Aksa mosque didn’t want to use the actual site, since it was used as a garbage dump, and decided he would pick a site where Mohammed supposedly prayed. (Mohammed was never in Jerusalem, of course, and never claimed to have been)

    There’s a general problem with the popularization of the history of Jerusalem during the Middle Ages. They like to say that there was no other time except when ruled by Jews that Jerusalem was the capital of anything. But there was a Crusader kingdom of Jerusalem.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  81. “In a highly unusual decision, the C.D.C. director, Rochelle Walensky, reversed a move by agency advisers and endorsed additional doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for health care workers, teachers and other workers at risk

    Obviously for political reasons, and under direction of Joe Biden who appointed and can remove her. More blatant than anything Trump ever did. But if they don;t do it the teachers’ unions might not allow many schools to re-open.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  82. All three main religions and the myriad communities comprising each one combined to produce a colorful array of objects, paintings, and artifacts

    That means they say a lot was produced for commercial and not religious reasons, and at some point, Jews were probably involved in designing artifacts. Even if not the artifacts on display themselves, their predecessors in a previous time. They didn’t have patents and progress was slow. SO something made in 1186 was similar to something made in 886.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  83. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/23/2021 @ 9:32 pm

    Doesn’t Jordan deny the West Bank and the rest of “Palestine” is theirs?

    King Hussein was forced to give up his claim by other Arab countries in 1974, and now Palestinian citizenship and Jordanian citizenship are separate, although it was latter that he forced people to chose.

    And the king of Jordan now doesn’t want more (anti-Israel) Palestinians to vote.

    At the same time, in Rabat in 1974, Yasir Arafat was proclaimed the only legitimate representative of the (just invented) Palestinian people.

    They didn’t name him king because kings have been going out of style since the French Revolution except (by now) on the Arabian peninsula, so they essentially endorsed fascism (one man rule without any principle, like heredity for the selection of who should be the ruler.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  84. “Obviously for political reasons, and under direction of Joe Biden who appointed and can remove her. More blatant than anything Trump ever did.”

    Sure seems that way:

    “So the CDC and FDA bureaucracy balked at fully authorizing booster shots.

    Despite this, Walensky was told by Biden WH to unilaterally sign off on boosters and declare them science.

    Now, corporate press and social media oligarchs will declare it science, too. Dissent banished.

    Imagine the uproar by Non-Trump Conservatives and @SenateGOP’s if the Trump CDC recommends that people SHOULD do something COVID-19 related that career voices at the FDA refused to do. Also, 2 career officials resigned in protest of political interference.

    The beauty of a Dem WH: Major Media do not scandalize things that if done by a GOP POTUS would be a MAJOR meltdown at which point REPUBLICANS would be piling on. Yet those some REPUBLICANS and self-righteous Cons are silent when done by Biden since there is no media outrage.“

    Obudman (5a5600)

  85. Meanwhile, the Biden administration continues to characterize the results of their malevolent, brainless policies as storms that have beset them.

    Colonel Haiku (a28946)

  86. nk (1d9030) — 9/24/2021 @ 4:51 am
    Heh. I haven’t known you long enough, and if I have, my memory fails.

    felipe (484255)

  87. Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/24/2021 @ 5:26 am

    I appreciate you kind words, Time.

    felipe (484255)

  88. nk (1d9030) — 9/24/2021 @ 5:31 am

    We know that, nk, but it doesn’t hurt to remind us.

    felipe (484255)

  89. So, when the Apaches take back Arizona, that’s righteous? After all, they’d been there for a very long time and it’s quite possible their god(s) told them it was their land.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  90. So, when the Apaches take back Arizona, that’s righteous?

    I’m gonna say “yeah.”

    felipe (484255)

  91. This had been a lively thread so far. Thanks to all for the comments.

    felipe (484255)

  92. Obudman (5a5600) — 9/24/2021 @ 8:43 am

    Despite this, Walensky was told by Biden WH to unilaterally sign off on boosters and declare them science.

    Booster shots not for people considered more vulnerable, like older people, or people with deficient immune systems, which the professional committee was OK with, but people more at risk of being exposed or of exposing others – which isn’t even true for teachers of elementary age school children.

    Now, corporate press and social media oligarchs will declare it science, too. Dissent banished.

    Probably actually won’t happen.

    Imagine the uproar by Non-Trump Conservatives and @SenateGOP’s if the Trump CDC recommends that people SHOULD do something COVID-19 related that career voices at the FDA refused to do.

    They were ready to accuse Trump of pushing vaccines and whatever before its time. the election.

    All that that delay did was convince people that it was not obvious that the vaccine was a good idea.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  93. Also, 2 career officials resigned in protest of political interference.

    Yes, because they actually were bypassed, which didn’t happen with Trump. Now that is not something good about Trump.. He should have put more pressure on them, particularly with regard to monoclonal antibodies.

    Monoclonal antibodies are the newest treatment (and preventative) being researched for malaria. They say the immunity could last none months – more than the mosquito season.

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/monoclonal-antibody-prevents-malaria-small-nih-trial

    One dose of a new monoclonal antibody discovered and developed at the National Institutes of Health safely prevented malaria for up to nine months in people who were exposed to the malaria parasite. The small, carefully monitored clinical trial is the first to demonstrate that a monoclonal antibody can prevent malaria in people. The trial was sponsored and conducted by scientists from the Vaccine Research Center (VRC) of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of NIH, and was funded by NIAID. The findings were published today in The New England Journal of Medicine.

    “Malaria continues to be a major cause of illness and death in many regions of the world, especially in infants and young children; therefore, new tools are needed to prevent this deadly disease,” said NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. “The results reported today suggest that a single infusion of a monoclonal antibody can protect people from malaria for at least 9 months. Additional research is needed, however, to confirm and extend this finding.”

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034031

    . None of the 9 participants who received CIS43LS, as compared with 5 of 6 control participants who did not receive CIS43LS, had parasitemia according to polymerase-chain-reaction testing through 21 days after controlled human malaria infection.

    The trial sounds a bit unethical. They actually exposed people to the disease! And half didn’t get anything.

    It should be a wonder the New England Journal of Medicine published the study. But it is maybe who is doing something, not what. Peer review works that way.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  94. Anyway, I was curious about why Squad members would pick a fight over the Iron Dome now

    It’s not that they thought that the big infrastructure bill was a lost cause, because this was not the infrastructure bill. The question is why did they pick a fight over this>

    The answer is that opposition to and vilification of Israel is one of the top causes of the progressive left, more important than almost anything else.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

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