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9/14/2021

DHS Better Prepared For An Estimated 700 Hundred at US Capitol “Justice For J6″ Rally This Weekend

Filed under: General — Dana @ 3:27 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Lessons learned, hopefully:

The Department of Homeland Security is estimating roughly 700 people will attend the “Justice for J6″ rally in Washington, D.C., on Saturday and has taken steps to make sure law enforcement is better prepared than it was prior to Jan. 6, said Melissa Smislova, deputy undersecretary for intelligence enterprise readiness.

Saturday, Sept. 18, is the date supporters of former President Donald Trump, many with ties to groups that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 in protest of his election loss, will return to Washington for a rally. Smislova said DHS has also learned via social media that similar protests are planned in other cities across the country.

Given that “tens of thousands” showed up at the Capitol on Jan. 6, Homeland Security is taking steps to keep better track of how many might be attending this weekend by tracking “publicly available information on protesters, U.S. Park Police permit applications for large gatherings and hotel reservations across the U.S.”.

What a difference 9 months makes:

“What we realized after Jan. 6 is that we had gotten a little bit lax in some of the aggressive conversations,” Smislova said, speaking of DHS’ biweekly calls and outreach to state and local law enforcement about threats in their area. “Some of it was a lack of discipline, complacency maybe, even. … The information was still out there, but you had to actually seek it out as opposed to having it brought to you.”

She added that the department saw the events of Jan. 6 as a “failure on our part” to communicate within the department and to other agencies.

Anyway, speaking of Jan. 6 and the hundreds that have been charged, at least one rioter who claims he was just an independent journalist at the Capitol that fateful day, thinks that he should be paid to show up in court to defend himself against charges:

A Jan. 6 Capitol rioter has demanded hundreds of thousands of dollars to represent himself, and a bizarre $5 million fee if he’s required to do something like providing samples of “bodily fluids.” Eric Bochene, of New York, calculated what he believed to be the cost of hiring a public defender, fired his court-appointed attorney, then said the government should instead spend the money on him. “You want to do business with me? These are my prices” Bochene told Syracuse.com.

Bochene is demanding $10,000 per 30 minutes in court. The price goes up to $50,000 if he feels he is “under duress.” He lists a fee of $500 ($50,000 under duress) for each hour of research, plus huge penalties if he feels there is “something underhanded going on,” per Syracuse.com. For example, there is a $6 million fee for a forged signature, or $5 million if he’s forced to give samples of bodily fluids. “I’m representing myself, so a lot of work gets put into this,” he said.

As temporary fencing is being erected around the Capitol in advance of the event, U.S. Capitol Police Chief Tom Manger issued a warning to any potential rabble-rousers:

We are here to protect everyone’s First Amendment right to peacefully protest. I urge anyone who is thinking about causing trouble to stay home. We will enforce the law and not tolerate violence.

The organizer of the “Justice for J6″ rally, former Trump campaign staffer and executive director of Look Ahead America Matt Braynard said that despite concerns about possible violence and claims that he has received death threats, “under no circumstances” would the event be canceled.

On a side note, neither chamber of Congress will be in session that day.

Once upon a time, it would be surprising that people are rallying to support hundreds who are facing any number of charges at the violent uprising at the Capitol on Jan. 6, but it really isn’t surprising at all.

–Dana

51 Responses to “DHS Better Prepared For An Estimated 700 Hundred at US Capitol “Justice For J6″ Rally This Weekend”

  1. Post-Trump, little is surprising.

    Dana (174549)

  2. at least one rioter who claims he was just an independent journalist at the Capitol that fateful day, thinks that he should be paid to show up in court to defend himself against charges:

    Setting up a “short bus” defense, eh?

    nk (1d9030)

  3. Anyway, speaking of Jan. 6 and the hundreds that have been charged, at least one rioter who claims he was just an independent journalist at the Capitol that fateful day, thinks that he should be paid to show up in court to defend himself against charges:

    America would be a far poorer nation, indeed, if we did not have eccentrics and outright weirdos among us to keep things interesting. I say hooray for Mr. Bochene, though I kind of doubt the court is going to see things his way.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  4. Hopefully they remember to deploy the crew served weapons. They might need to call up some of those AC-130 gunships.

    Nothing gets the patriotic juices of the average NeverTrump/D going like unleashing some whopa$& on a rally. Mostly peaceful protesters are one thing but people going to a rally need to kept under tight control.

    frosty (f27e97)

  5. Once upon a time, it would be surprising that people are rallying to support hundreds who are facing any number of charges at the violent uprising at the Capitol on Jan. 6, but it really isn’t surprising at all.

    Yes, they should throw away the key on this crowd.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. if things go off without a hitch, so many hopes will be dashed

    cuz then we’ll have to find someone who died of a stroke or a drug overdose and sell it as bloody murder

    JF (e1156d)

  7. If the Capitol Police can’t handle 700± Trump zealots in the wake of the 1/6 Insurrection, then they’re in a heap of trouble. The police, that is. The zealots are another story.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  8. Whats the new hashtag?
    The last one was shockingly ineffective

    steveg (2c7127)

  9. Any word on whether DC’s ounce dealers have been getting shipments of Ivermectin?

    nk (1d9030)

  10. Nothing gets the patriotic juices of the average NeverTrump/D going like unleashing some whopa$& on a rally. Mostly peaceful protesters are one thing but people going to a rally need to kept under tight control.

    Keep telling yourself that. IIRC, January 6 was also build as a rally. Save America rally, in fact. Funny that.

    Dana (174549)

  11. DC only has an indoors mask mandate, I looked it up. Law enforcement should be able to get some good shots for its mug books, and maybe even make some arrests on outstanding warrants. Counter-protesters a bonus.

    nk (1d9030)

  12. Dana (174549) — 9/14/2021 @ 4:45 pm

    January 6 was also build as a rally. Save America rally, in fact. Funny that.

    My point exactly. Rally = zero space for shenanigans; those guys are nuts. Mostly peaceful protest = we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well.

    frosty (f27e97)

  13. DHS Better Prepared For An Estimated 700 Hundred at US Capitol “Justice For J6″ Rally This Weekend

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    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  14. Trump fans get real defensive on this topic. It really is an amazing disgrace, the real ‘i told ya so’ of the ages.

    They haven’t said much for the past several months since. They repeat some talking points, cry a bit, but ultimately, what do they have to say?

    Thank God Trump’s power was taken away from him by the American people. We never wanted him to have power in the first place, and Trump knows that, hence his bitter efforts to undermine democracy.

    dustin (6e456a)

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    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  16. 700 hundred?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  17. Of which 699 will be FBI, DHS, and Capitol Police informants.

    Rip Murdock (0aa613)

  18. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/14/2021 @ 9:01 pm

    General Sherman is on his way out of Atlanta after burning it to the ground. He’s heading out I-20.

    When he gets to Stone Mountain he sees a lone Confederate soldier up atop it, cussing him and the entire Union Army.

    “We can’t have this,” Sherman says to his command staff. “I mean, we got CNN with us, The New York Times, and this rebel is making us look bad.”

    So he turns to a sergeant and says, “Sergeant, send our best man up there to get that rebel off the mountain.”

    So the guy goes up and a few minutes later he comes flying off the mountain and lands in a bloody clump at Sherman’s feet.

    Says Sherman: “Send 10 men up there.”

    All 10 are killed and thrown off the mountain.

    Says Sherman: “Send 100 men up there to get that Confederate.”

    One by one, 99 Union soldiers are thrown, dead, off the mountain. The last one crawls back down the mountain to his general, bleeding from every point of his body. He looks up and says:

    “It’s a trick, sir. There’s two of them.”

    You can see why they’re worried about 700.

    frosty (f27e97)

  19. Now that the protesters know the cops will shoot…..

    Rip Murdock (0aa613)

  20. if things go off without a hitch, so many hopes will be dashed cuz then we’ll have to find someone who died of a stroke or a drug overdose and sell it as bloody murder.

    This is incredibly cynical. It’s as if Jan. 6 was a day of victory and/or something really positive to far too many Americans.

    Dana (174549)

  21. Some members of MAGA world view this rally as a false flag operation.

    Rip Murdock (0aa613)

  22. It’s hard to beat the timing on @19 and @20

    frosty (f27e97)

  23. It will be interesting to see if authorities do anything when the Antifa rabble shows up and gets violent.

    Rich (995a5b)

  24. Now that the protesters know the cops will shoot…..

    No doubt a Redcoated lieutenant felt the same way in a public house one April evening long ago while sipping a tankard of warm ale after popping a few “insurrectionists” on the Lexington Green.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  25. #18 Frosty,

    That’s not how Missionary Ridge actually played out:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Missionary_Ridge

    But Confederates got to cling to their myths I suppose.

    Victor (4959fb)

  26. Victor (4959fb) — 9/15/2021 @ 12:10 am

    Wow! A history lesson from our resident expert on the mostly peaceful activities at the chaz/chop and other righteous lefty social activities. At least we now know when you’re giving us the propaganda it isn’t because of a lack of google skills.

    Was it too hard to find examples of battles in GA?

    frosty (f27e97)

  27. Some members of MAGA world view this rally as a false flag operation.

    And well they should. The police have been known to conduct mass stings where they entice criminals to come to a warehouse to get some kind of prize, and other such similar ruses, and then arrest them. And now that Gitmo has practically been emptied of Muslims ….

    nk (1d9030)

  28. 26, if you’ve traveled on I-24 through Chattanooga it snakes back and forth between TN and GA and touches down in the MTG hornets nest.

    urbanleftbehind (b7ca9d)

  29. The much nicer Dana wrote:

    Once upon a time, it would be surprising that people are rallying to support hundreds who are facing any number of charges at the violent uprising at the Capitol on Jan. 6, but it really isn’t surprising at all.

    Were I in our nation’s capital, I would join that rally.

    The government held without bail people who were not flight risks and who posed no serious threat, because the Biden Administration wanted to punish the Capitol kerfufflers pre-emptively, just in case some were acquitted. Haven’t you noticed? Of the few who have pleaded guilty, they’ve them been released because they had already served their sentences before conviction!

    Eighth Amendment? What Eighth Amendment?

    Their great offenses? So serious that Attorney General Merrick Garland, who hates Republicans for denying him a Supreme Court seat, allowed his minions to let them plead down to a single misdemeanor, the maximum sentence of which was six months. Yet many of them have been held without bail, over a simple trespassing charge.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3ee66d)

  30. Engaging trolls is a fruitless enterprise, Victor, unless the fruit you’re after is a wrinkled Florida orange.

    nk (1d9030)

  31. The government held without bail people who were not flight risks and who posed no serious threat, because the Biden Administration wanted to punish the Capitol kerfufflers pre-emptively, just in case some were acquitted.

    Nah! Pretrial detention has been used everywhere and in all times primarily to break down the prisoner and make him plea guilty, secondarily to handicap him in preparing his defense, and in America to provide full employment for the jail guards and maximize the profits of the prison provisioners and commissaries. Your best hope on getting out on reasonable bail is not that you’re not a flight risk or a threat to society. It is that the jail is filed to capacity.

    nk (1d9030)

  32. 26, if you’ve traveled on I-24 through Chattanooga it snakes back and forth between TN and GA and touches down in the MTG hornets nest.

    it avoids the killing fields of Chicago, city of Windbags, so we’re good…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  33. Frosty,

    Well the battle of Atlanta was fought in Georgia, if I recall correctly, and that also didn’t involve two Confederates slaughtering hundreds of Union soldiers.

    You however, seem pretty well invested in the idea that Confederates were supermen. Or ubermensch, would I suppose be a translation. How has that worked out for you?

    Victor (4959fb)

  34. nk wrote:

    Nah! Pretrial detention has been used everywhere and in all times primarily to break down the prisoner and make him plea guilty

    It isn’t hard to imagine the conversations with the defendants and their attorneys:

    Merrick Garland’s minion: “Look, you’ve already spent six months in the slammer, and we won’t get around to your trial for another six, maybe longer. But here, you plead to this one misdemeanor, and you get out with time served. It isn’t a felony, so you won’t have a felony record.”

    Public defender: “Hey, take the deal, because if you don’t, even if you’re acquitted in a trial, you’ll have spent a year, and probably more, locked up for it.”

    Accused: “You guys are dicks, you know that? But I guess I have no f(ornicating) choice.”

    And Joe Biden now knows that he can get away with authoritarian vaccine mandates, because 81 million Americans are perfectly willing to cede to him dictatorial powers, ’cause they’re so glad to be rid of Donald Trump.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3ee66d)

  35. nk,

    Normally I wouldn’t bother, as mostly I just lurk here now, but Frosty was being particularly stupid and I had some time free.

    G

    Victor (4959fb)

  36. Other Dana, your description of how bail has been granted is incorrect. The defendants who have plead have not been held for 6 months.

    Time123 (54e6d2)

  37. Victor (4959fb) — 9/15/2021 @ 6:14 am

    You however, seem pretty well invested in the idea that Confederates were supermen. Or ubermensch, would I suppose be a translation. How has that worked out for you?

    Between the “if I recall”, “You seem”, “pretty well”, “I suppose” you’re not showing a lot of confidence in your plan. Is this really the best you can do? An old joke triggered you that much and you went straight to nazi in two comments? But the best you can muster is “you seem”? That has got to be an epic level inferiority complex.

    Are you proud of Sherman’s march to the sea? Was it the stories about those brave union soldiers looting and burning their way through those hardened and experienced civilians? Give you a vicarious thrill?

    frosty (f27e97)

  38. It’s not the number of people, it’s the kind of people who will show up, and their purpose that counts. I don’t know if anyne would want to do a repeat.

    As for warnings, since they are not networked that closely, any attempt to assemble thousands cannot help leaving traces. For Jan 6 the traces were ignored and the rallies even deemed highly unlikely to take place (maybe because they assumed that anyone who wanted to do it would try to get a permit stating truthfully how many people were expected to show up?

    https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC&RulesFullReport_ExaminingU.S.CapitolAttack.pdf

    Page 45:

    In the days following the issuance of the January 3 Special Assessment, IICD issued three DIRs—none of which reflected the likelihood of violence described in the January 3 Special Assessment or more broadly known within IICD. In fact, the January 4, January 5, and January 6 DIRs assessed the probability of acts of civil disobedience from the planned protests across all of Washington, D.C. as “Remote” to “Improbable.”261 Regarding a “Million MAGA March/US Capitol,” the report assigned a probability of “Improbable,” adding as context, “it [is] possible the Million Magi [sic] March folks could organize a demonstration on USCP grounds. Women for America First has permitted on USCP grounds and Freedom Plaza parade permit through MPD and has been the permitted portion of previous Million MAGA Marches.”262 The Stop the Steal event was assigned a probability of “Highly Improbable” given that “no further information has been found to the exact actions planned by this group.”263 The Women for America First event planned for the Ellipse also received a “Highly Improbable” rating, but the report contained no explanation or context as to why this rating was assigned.

    It was all public here:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20210105002231/https://wildprotest.com

    The problem was this was rated grroup by group.

    Civil disobedience aarfrom the Capitol was rated “Remote” to “Improbable.” Correct. A march under the auspices of Million Maga was rated “Improbable,” although not so much a rally that began and ended on Capitol grounds. Also correct. But Women for America First had permits it said. The
    Stop the Steal event was assigned a probability of “Highly Improbable” given that they couldn’t find out any more, i.e. contact that group or anyone who knew exactly what was being planned. All there was was this web site.

    Even the rally at the Ellipse where Giuliani and Trump spoke was said to be “Highly Improbable”

    Something was wrong with their methodology.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  39. “It isn’t hard to imagine the conversations with the defendants and their attorneys”

    I’m sorry you’re just discovering how the justice system works.

    Davethulhu (017f04)

  40. I hope they’ve always treated you fairly, Dave.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  41. They are selling grape kool-aid with fish tank cleaner in case anyone wants to off their husband

    steveg (2c7127)

  42. Frosty,

    Well I try to work up sympathy for plantations built with slave labor getting burned down and pillaged but it never quite works out. What can I say, I guess I just don’t have certainty in Confederate righteousness you possess.

    Oh, and if Confederate soldiers were all you think they are, why weren’t they able to stop Sherman? Tired from all their winning?

    It just occurred to me, by the way, that your “joke”, which plays off the idea that Confederates are supermen, was spurred by the original story about right wing protestors at the Capitol, and the fear they apparently engender. As I recall, the theory that the 1/6 protestors and their supporters had anything to do with white supremacists was immediately dismissed by right wing commentators. Just proud patriots! Some of them, somewhere, were black!

    But you, faced with this story, immediately reach for a Confederate joke, valorizing the Confederacy. Funny, huh? I mean not funny amusing or anything.

    Victor (4959fb)

  43. Victor (4959fb) — 9/15/2021 @ 11:00 am

    You keep going back and forth between past and present tense. You do understand the civil war was over 150 years ago?

    your “joke”

    You know it isn’t my joke right? It’s been around for a while. It wasn’t invented for 1/6.

    immediately reach for

    You tried the nazi thing first but that didn’t have the legs you wanted? Now there’s a confederate thing that “just occurred” to you?

    That really was triggering. Let go of the hate Victor. The civil war’s over you don’t have to keep fighting it. It’s not healthy.

    frosty (f27e97)

  44. 1/6 just wasn’t the sort of chaz victor goes for

    JF (e1156d)

  45. A Jan. 6 Capitol rioter has demanded hundreds of thousands of dollars to represent himself, and a bizarre $5 million fee if he’s required to do something like providing samples of “bodily fluids.” Eric Bochene, of New York, calculated what he believed to be the cost of hiring a public defender, fired his court-appointed attorney, then said the government should instead spend the money on him

    That won’t work, ad certainly rhe prices won’t, but if they pay fora private attorney, two lawyers who were arrested could each represent the other. Maybe you’d have to be from Texas to try that.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  46. JF (e1156d) — 9/15/2021 @ 11:34 am

    It’s a complicated problem. If you’re the local antifa spokesbeing and you let a civil war joke go by there might be consequences and repercussions. On the other hand all of the usual cliches and tropes are played out.

    What’s a brownshirt to do?

    frosty (10bf27)

  47. Roger Stone Warns Upcoming Rally in Support of Jan. 6 Capitol Rioters is a ‘Setup’

    Right-wing political operative and former President Donald Trump ally Roger Stone on Wednesday, without evidence, called the upcoming rally outside the U.S. Capitol in support of those who stormed that building on Jan. 6 as “agitprop” and “a setup.”

    “I don’t know a single person in the MAGA movement who’s going,” he said on Russia Today. “It’s a setup.”

    “Here’s my suggestion,” he continued. “The people who will be there will all be working for the government,” he continued, without providing proof. “Nice try.”

    Stone said he won’t be in attendance.

    He went on to say that there are “so many unanswered questions about Jan. 6” and that “now they’re trying to recreate it.”
    ……..
    Russia Today-The go-to news source for the America First crowd.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  48. “700 hundred” seems redundant. Am I missing something?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  49. I still want someone to ask Trump why he didn’t pardon those noble patriots he summoned on Jan 6th.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  50. Mr M wrote:

    I still want someone to ask Trump why he didn’t pardon those noble patriots he summoned on Jan 6th.

    He might have been trying to avoid that second, ridiculous impeachment. But if by some miracle I ever become President, I will pardon every last one of the Capitol kerfufflers. Might not make much difference, because those railroaded by being held without bail will have already served sentences and paid fines, but at least it would clear their records.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (fed7b0)

  51. Why, I have to ask, are those who, in effect, had a few hours long college keg party being treated so harshly, while the perpetrators of the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone in Seattle, which excluded the police and other local government, for three weeks, aren’t being bothered at all? That was an actual insurrection, a takeover of four blocks, and denying the authority of the legitimately elected government of Seattle.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (fed7b0)

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