Patterico's Pontifications

7/29/2021

New Hampshire : “Medical Freedom” Law is Signed by Governor

Filed under: General — Dana @ 5:55 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Oh:

New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu signed a “medical freedom” law this week, banning public places from compelling residents of his state to be vaccinated against COVID-19.

“Every person has the natural, essential, and inherent right to bodily integrity, free from any threat or compulsion by government to accept an immunization,” the bill read.

The new law doesn’t supersede a state law requiring about seven vaccines for entry into public schools in the state…But the COVID-19 vaccine is not on that list.

Exemptions to the new law include state psychiatric hospitals, county nursing homes or prisons.

Almost 50% of New Hampshire’s population is fully vaccinated.

–Dana

102 Responses to “New Hampshire : “Medical Freedom” Law is Signed by Governor”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (174549)

  2. children under 12 are not permitted to get the vaccine

    so it would be really idiotic to include covid on that list for public schools

    and every vaccine on that list has undergone rigorous testing for many years, if not decades

    JF (e1156d)

  3. Seems performative. Disappointing but not surprising that he doesn’t care about the health of the people in his state or peoples rights of free association.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  4. Seems performative. Disappointing but not surprising that he cares less about the health of the people in his state or people’s rights of free association then he does appealing to tribalists and conspiracy theorists in the gop base

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  5. Didn’t realize the first one had gone through. Dana can you delete 3 if you get a chance and it’s not too much trouble?

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  6. Time123 (9f42ee) — 7/29/2021 @ 6:15 pm

    people’s rights of free association

    How are people being denied the right of free association?

    frosty (f27e97)

  7. The devil is in the definitions. What is a “public place”? The post office? Walmart? And what is “compelling”? Just forcibly held down and given the jab? Or is barring entry to the non-vaccinated “compelling”?

    norcal (a6130b)

  8. I’m withdrawing my comment. I read the article hastily and mistakenly thought it banned businesses that are accessible to the public from requiring vaccination.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  9. I did even worse, Time. I didn’t read the article before commenting!

    Okay, so it appears that private businesses can require vaccination for entry. I still wonder about the post office and other federal buildings. Wouldn’t the federal rules supersede the state law?

    norcal (a6130b)

  10. Well this is certainly going to clash with much of the outgassing from President Plagiarist at his presser today.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  11. @10 Plagiarism is indeed morally wrong. What are Trump’s biggest moral wrongs?

    norcal (a6130b)

  12. @11. Plagiarism is indeed morally wrong.

    Ahhhh, but is it?

    It was in 1988. Apparently not now; seems quite in vogue lately–and very at home in the WH.

    Morality is a transient- otherwise, the divorced Reagan would never have gotten the nom in an earlier era.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  13. norcal (a6130b) — 7/29/2021 @ 6:35 pm

    The postmaster is like a ship captain. You can go to the post office for stamps end up married and be forced to walk the plank. What out for the ones with an eye patch and make sure the flag pole out front isn’t flying the jolly roger before you step aboard.

    frosty (f27e97)

  14. Ask Amtrak Joe if the vaccine protects him from contracting White Line Fever.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3VN54M1OXA

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  15. @13 I suspected as much. :)

    norcal (a6130b)

  16. You’ve done a good job of deriding Biden, DCSCA. What are Trump’s biggest moral wrongs?

    norcal (a6130b)

  17. hey norcal, whatabout trump?

    JF (e1156d)

  18. @16. Again: morality is a transient.

    It’s in the eye of the beholder.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  19. 16.You’ve done a good job of deriding Biden, DCSCA.

    No. He has done it to himself. A symptom of White Line Fever. 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  20. @17 Yes. That’s my question to DCSCA. If he’s being objective, he should be able to point out Trump’s moral failings in addition to Biden’s.

    norcal (a6130b)

  21. I really dislike the my-team-versus-your-team mentality. What ever happened to calling balls and strikes, regardless of the party?

    norcal (a6130b)

  22. @20. Objectivity has nothing to do with it, norcal. It’s subjective; morality is a transient- what might appear ‘moral’ or ‘immoral’ to you may be perfectly fine or a transgression of self-imposed norms to others w/a different perspective.

    Trump eats NY pizza with a fork!!!

    That’s ‘immoral’ -to me!!! ;-).

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  23. @22 Okay, let’s go with subjective. In your subjective opinion, has Trump done or said anything that equals or surpasses Biden’s plagiarism in terms of moral turpitude?

    norcal (a6130b)

  24. Who was/is the better ‘showman,’ norcal; Trump or Reagan? Who was a better ‘entertainer’- Gypsy Rose Lee or Kim Cattrall ? Eye of the beholder.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  25. @23. I’ve called him out on Helsinki fr year on this forum. But to be clear- there’s a difference between PT Barnum… and name-your-calculating-Bond-villain. Big difference between Mr. Trump… and Mr. Bean, NorCal–but that again, is subjective. Some people would feel quite comfortable knowing Mr. Bean is at the wheel of an 18-wheeler.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  26. @24 Yes, and I’m asking what your eye sees. Don’t want to answer the question? Just say so, and I’ll drop it.

    norcal (a6130b)

  27. @25. Have. Helsinki. But that’s not quite the same as blatantly pandering about driving an 18 wheeler, is it.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  28. ^26.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  29. What are Trump’s biggest moral wrongs?

    Trump is clearly guilt of being a filthy, rotten, cheating, cornercutting, opportunistic, New York born and bred capitalist. A chip off the old Reagan… Why, he’s as American as apple pie, norcal– which was actually ‘invented’ in Britain.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  30. @27 The 18 wheeler stuff is hilarious; Helsinki was serious.

    norcal (a6130b)

  31. My opinion is that neither Biden nor Trump have much integrity, but Biden has more than Trump.

    Trump has better policy but worse character. Biden has misguided policy but better character.

    Not that I voted for either one.

    norcal (a6130b)

  32. Thank you for answering my question, DCSCA. As you know, I disagree with you on politics, but enjoy your takes and stories about other things.

    norcal (a6130b)

  33. Again: morality is a transient.

    It’s in the eye of the beholder.

    Scratch a lefty, smell the decay.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  34. @21; if we’re being objective. The calling of balls and strikes has been long gone. If someone asks this question it’s labeled whataboutism. This took off as a tactic in the era of Trump. This question now is most commonly asked as why doesn’t your team play by the rules and we’re not talking about my team right now. When it does happen people are to cynical to accept it. It’s got to be some sort turnabout or trick.

    It’s a Mexican standoff with no out. Credibility isn’t rewarded.

    frosty (f27e97)

  35. @34 That’s unfortunate. I guess tribalism is part of human nature. Pointing out strengths and weaknesses in candidates of any party causes me no discomfort, and I’m much happier since I let go of the team mentality.

    It’s akin to the notion that one should always support one’s family. I’m not on board with it. I’d be the first to call the cops if my brother committed a murder.

    norcal (a6130b)

  36. norcal, DCSCA, like Trump, rejects the idea that ethical or moral norms should shape Presidential conduct….both he and Trump are purely about self interest. For DCSCA, Trump is just a tool to destroy ideological conservatism…in his mind. He’s pretty clear and unapologetic about this. Biden becomes an inconvenient interlude in this obsession. He’s built up in his head that there is nothing worse than conservatism……or at least the caricature that he has for it. Let’s be honest though….the same sentiment exists on the other side for liberalism….and Obama as the anti-Christ. The AmericanThinker is not exactly about teasing out nuance. The hatred then justifies and excuses all bad behavior. 2020 has opened up the door for even more lying, cheating, and violence in 2024…..and by its acquiesence, the GOP both shields and blesses Trump’s unethical conduct. For others here, a corrupt fascist is still better than a Marxist, baby-killing, liberal….and far more entertaining too…no matter how much bad behavior is normalized….and the fabric of democracy eroded. Bad behavior is winning….and so many are oblivious to their role in it…..confirmation bias on full display…

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  37. @36 It’s a head scratcher, for sure. Sure, a corrupt fascist might destroy conservatism, but then we’re left with…corrupt fascism. It’s apparent to me that Trump is both corrupt and has fascist tendencies. I don’t know why people deny this and defend Trump, but then I don’t understand how people can fall prey to cults, either.

    norcal (a6130b)

  38. @36. CICs have to be bastardly SOBs, AJ.

    Trump is. Biden isn’t.

    Get over it.
    _______

    For DCSCA, Trump is just a tool to destroy ideological conservatism…in his mind. He’s pretty clear and unapologetic about this. Biden becomes an inconvenient interlude in this obsession. He’s built up in his head that there is nothing worse than conservatism……or at least the caricature that he has for it.

    ROFLMAOPIP- Conservative whine; bitter dregs. You’re on the bottom of the deck now. Long overdue. Get over that, too.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  39. @30. No, ‘the 18 wheeler stuff’ is sinister, and follows his life-long pattern of intended political deception. Helsinki was just lousy judgement by a kiss-ass capitalist. But the thing is, none of his so-called staff showed any balls to check him.

    @33.Scratch a lefty, smell the decay.

    Tap a Kinzinger, see ’em cry. 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  40. 21.I really dislike the my-team-versus-your-team mentality. What ever happened to calling balls and strikes, regardless of the party?

    Are you kidding?!?!?!?! See George Carlin for details:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIkqNiBASfI

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  41. ‘I don’t understand how people can fall prey to cults, either.’

    LOL

    See Mormonism, Catholicism, Cubs and BoSox fans for details.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  42. ROFLMAOPIP- Conservative whine; bitter dregs. You’re on the bottom of the deck now. Long overdue. Get over that, too.

    I see it the same as AJ_Liberty does, and at least according to NJRob and mg, I’m a dirty commie. Splain that.

    lurker (59504c)

  43. ‘I don’t understand how people can fall prey to cults, either.’

    LOL

    See Mormonism, Catholicism, Cubs and BoSox fans for details.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/30/2021 @ 12:25 am

    You forgot to include yourself in the list, DCSCA. :)

    norcal (a6130b)

  44. I also see it the same way AJ_Liberty does.

    norcal (a6130b)

  45. @42/44. He would. What else does he- or y’all– have to cling to? Certainly not admitting the inability to keep selling a failed ideology. Welcome to 1964, kids. You can take a page from Rockefeller Republicans and tough it out from inside the tent for the next 40 years or cry, quit and take your ball to another game and start your own party. A lot of weak whiners are surfacing. Deadwood. But leaving only reinforces why Trump was able to tumble the modern ideological conservative movement like a house of cards. It has been building for decades and if not him-some candidate would have. Your time has passed; the ideology burned out- out of step w/t changing times. But it’s all in days work for a brusk,bastardly NYer.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  46. Shorter DCSCA: Fascism >>>>>>>> Modern Ideological Conservative Movement

    norcal (a6130b)

  47. @46. That’s your sales pitch?

    Shorter still: D.O.A.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  48. You do not have the right to infect and kill others. Even the 2nd amendment doesn’t allow you to shoot people with your gun.

    asset (6333ec)

  49. Ill bet those commie hookers were actually p-ing on the family Biden.

    mg (8cbc69)

  50. We can argue about the merits as policy, but the precedent has been set (going back at least as far as Barry Goldwater), that the concept of “public accommodations” is at odds with our natural rights to life, liberty, and property.

    Marco (7bed92)

  51. Pander has always promoted the spread of disease. And pubic lice.

    nk (1d9030)

  52. norcal (a6130b) — 7/29/2021 @ 10:57 pm

    It’s apparent to me that Trump is both corrupt and has fascist tendencies.

    wrt calling balls and strikes; is it just as apparent that JB and KH, and D leadership generally, are also corrupt and also have authoritarian/fascist tendencies?

    frosty (f27e97)

  53. In the meantime, the Los Angeles Unified School District has announced a requirement that all students and employees be tested weekly, whether they are vaccinated or not.

    Have you ever had a COVID test? It is very unpleasant, involving a nurse sticking a long cotton swab way up your nose, to obtain the ‘material’ to be tested. If you have not consented to this test, it would be considered a physical assault in every state in the union.

    The LAUSD employees are all unionized; have the LAUSD obtained consent from the unions for this?

    The District is required, by law, to provide a ‘free’ public education to all school aged children in the district. Can the District institute a requirement that the students be subject to physical assault to receive that education?

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (405d48)

  54. Interesting way for Chris Sununu to announce that he is running in 2022.

    But it isn’t clear whether he will be running for re-election as governor, or for senator. I think senator more likely, given the 50-50 balance in the Senate. (The Sununus are good with numbers.)

    (In 2016, Republican Kelly Ayotte lost an incredibly close Senate race (354,649 to 353,632) to Maggie Hassan. I thought at the time that Ayotte would have won had there been a decent Republican running for president at the top of the ticket, instead of Donald Trump. And I haven’t seen any reason to change my mind since.)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  55. @53; just keep repeating the mantra, it’s not coercion, they have a choice. If you do it enough time while slamming your head against the wall you’ll forget about it for a while.

    frosty (f27e97)

  56. asset (6333ec) — 7/30/2021 @ 3:00 am

    Any doubts on why team Do What We Say doesn’t have any credibility?

    To paraphrase the perfect country and western song; you forgot grandma.

    frosty (f27e97)

  57. @37 it took 37 comments to get to fascist, corrupt trump cultists

    this is on the high end, so let’s applaud the nuance

    JF (e1156d)

  58. It appears the Biden Junta has much work to do with the anti-vaxxers in the NEA and AFT.

    Their doing it… for teh childrens…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  59. Tow of the country’s largest teachers’ unions refuse to mandate [Chinese] COVID-19 vaccinations for their members, even as public schools require vaccinations for their students. The National Education Association (NEA) and American Federation of Teachers (AFT) are pushing against mandatory teacher vaccinations as the 2021-22 school year approaches, instead asking for weekly testing and other alternatives. . .
    . . . The move contradicts remarks made in September 2020 by AFT president Randi Weingarten. At the time, she said she supported mandating [Chinese] COVID-19 vaccines for teachers once they were approved and made readily available. The powerful teachers’ unions are breaking with labor leadership in their approach. AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka said Tuesday he supports a vaccine mandate for union workers.

    https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/top-teachers-unions-refuse-vaccination-requirement/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  60. DCSCA: “Certainly not admitting the inability to keep selling a failed ideology”

    To paraphrade Rod Dreher: The business of a conservatism is not to impose an idealistic ideological narrative on reality (as progressives do) but rather to try to see the world as it is and respond to its challenges within the limits of what we know about human nature. Hence, conservatives understand inefficient government bureaucracies…and prefer private sector solutions….where practical. It’s a myth that most conservatives want zero government….they want effective programs to stay. Conservatives understand the secondary effects of handouts and subsidies…..and want them limited as much as practical. Conservatives rightly look at human nature and don’t believe that government can somehow perfect it. So, failed ideology in this light is just incoherent prattle.

    Now what we might call the “fusionism” of the 1980’s brought together various groups on the right including social conservatives, libertarians, economic conservatives, and hawks…all tied together with the common goal to oppose Soviet expansionism and reject socialism generally. With the fall of the Soviet empire and economic globalism, the forces that kept the Big Tent together have moved on and the social conservatives no longer want to continue to cede the culture to liberals and libertarians. It’s not clear what “winning” will look like in this battle, but it’s hatched Trump and this sense of existential battle that justifies bringing in someone who few will defend his ethics and schtick. Trump’s an unsustainable fad.

    We’re not seeing a death of conservatism as much as we are seeing a dispute…..French vs. Ahmari…about the “existential battle”….what it means, how it should be fought, and what winning will look like. Trump has created a parody of conservatism for his own amusement and self interest. At some point it will run out of momentum…as intellectually it is running on Twinkees, Ho-Ho’s, and Big Macs…and at some point people want to be inspired….and want more than fear and hate. Right now, the GOP is focused on the big steal, immigrants, CRT, and insulting Biden. That’s not much of an agenda to grow a tent….

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  61. From The New York Times, not exactly an evil reich-wing source:

    C.D.C. Internal Report Calls Delta Variant as Contagious as Chickenpox
    Infections in vaccinated Americans are rare, compared with those in unvaccinated people, the document said. But when they occur, vaccinated people may spread the virus just as easily.
    By Apoorva Mandavilli | July 30, 2021 | Updated 10:00 a.m. ET

    The Delta variant is much more contagious, more likely to break through protections afforded by the vaccines and may cause more severe disease than all other known versions of the virus, according to an internal presentation circulated within the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the director of the agency, acknowledged on Tuesday that vaccinated people with so-called breakthrough infections of the Delta variant carry just as much virus in the nose and throat as unvaccinated people, and may spread it just as readily, if less often.

    But the internal document lays out a broader and even grimmer view of the variant.

    The Delta variant is more transmissible than the viruses that cause MERS, SARS, Ebola, the common cold, the seasonal flu and smallpox, and it is as contagious as chickenpox, according to the document, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times.

    There’s more at the original. Further down:

    Dr. Walensky has called transmission by vaccinated people a rare event, but other scientists have suggested it may be more common than once thought.

    At this point, there is no rationale for those who advocate vaccine mandates. Vaccination does not prevent transmission, but, since it seems to lessen symptoms of those infected, it would probably lead to infected but vaccinated persons to not realize that they are infected and lead their lives as if they are not.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (405d48)

  62. and every vaccine on that list has undergone rigorous testing for many years, if not decades

    Yeah, I remember back in the day, that people demanded polio vaccines not be given to kids until a decade of rigorous testing.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  63. I really dislike the my-team-versus-your-team mentality. What ever happened to calling balls and strikes, regardless of the party?

    This is my lament. Hyperpartisanship, whether it be D vs R or T vs NT, is predictable, boring and devoid of any real meaning.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  64. Trump is clearly guilty of being a filthy, rotten, cheating, cornercutting, opportunistic, New York born and bred capitalist. A chip off the old Reagan…

    Except for the filthy, rotten, cheating, cornercutting, opportunistic, New York born parts.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  65. Biden has misguided policy but better character

    Biden advocates mass theft and increased state control of citizens. Those should count against his character.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  66. according to … mg, I’m a dirty commie.

    Aren’t we all?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  67. Policies that negate the investment that people have made in their community by getting vaccinated are simply pandering to those who refuse to help. Pro-shirker, if you will.

    And so, like is happening some places (e.g. LAUSD), everyone gets treated as if they were deadbeats, to avoid offending the actual deadbeats.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  68. @63 well yeah, that’s sort of the point isn’t it?

    as soon as it was available many parents wanted it for their kids, to the extent that a black market formed

    it wasn’t mandated until much later, which is the point you missed

    it was a matter of choice, then and now, and the risks were incurred by choice

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/polio-immunization-in-the-1950s-offers-clues-of-how-coronavirus-vaccines-might-be-rolled-out-2020-09-17

    “But once six vaccinated children died, inoculations halted until more information about their safety could be gathered. In all, 10 kids who were vaccinated early on died after becoming infected with polio, and some 200 experienced some degree of paralysis.”

    JF (e1156d)

  69. They found another probable autobiograohical lie by Biden.

    He claimed that he once drove an 18-wheeler.

    This got amended to he was given an opportunity to drive one.

    They attempted to prove this by showing a picture from 1973 in which is seated in the passenger seat.

    Separately, the teacher’s union reminded Fox that last year he claimed to have driven a school bus as a summer job.

    https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-drive-school-bus-president-discusses-college-summer-job-1605451

    …Speaking at the Municipal Transit Utility in La Crosse, Biden mentioned that he used to drive a bus when he was studying law at Syracuse University in New York. It’s a story he has told several times….

    Biden said he also drove during the winter through a lot of snow.

    He still has better character than Donald Trump.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  70. 69. They didn’t have the kind of regulations in the 1950s that they have today.

    You gain some and you lose some.

    I think you gain more by going ahead, and a lot of harm can be prevented by more thought. A set of rules is no substitute for judgment.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  71. @71 they still haven’t approved the covid vaccine for kids under 12, sammy, and probably won’t until next year

    JF (e1156d)

  72. Donald Truump knew what he was talking about (and why shouldn’t he – he consulted a lot of people about the coronavirus)

    https://www.courant.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-nyt-trump-quotes-covid-19-20201002-4gdxkic4gra7pccvqap2llp54a-story.html

    Feb. 27 [2020]

    At a White House meeting:

    “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

    From the New York Times of Friday, July 30, 2021, page A14:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/briefing/coronavirus-delta-mysteries.html

    More Covid Mysteries

    ….An outbreak often fizzles mysteriously, like a forest fire that fails to jump from one patch of trees to another.,,,

    Possibly available without a paywall here:

    https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215679582

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  73. 71. JF (e1156d) — 7/30/2021 @ 9:13 am

    @71 they still haven’t approved the covid vaccine for kids under 12, sammy, and probably won’t until next year

    The timetable the media is estimating is sooner. In the UK they approved it for children aged 12 through 17 but aren’t using it for the most part.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  74. From Israel National News:

    Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?
    Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated – compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.
    David Rosenberg , Jul 13 , 2021 9:24 AM

    Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

    Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination.

    More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.

    Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

    With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

    By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.

    According to a report by Channel 13, the disparity has confounded – and divided – Health Ministry experts, with some saying the data proves the higher level of immunity provided by natural infection versus vaccination, while others remained unconvinced.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (405d48)

  75. I have actually driven 1970s commercial trucks, though not an 18-wheeler. Thirteen gears, two separate sticks, non-synchronized transmissions. Shifting a vehicle like that isn’t like a standard transmission in a car; you have to get your engine RPMs to the right level, then let them drop to the right level between gears to get them into the next one. It’s an art as much as anything else, and if you don’t know what you are doing, you can miss a gear, and be stuck in neutral. (Good drivers don’t even bother with the clutch.) Try missing a gear downshifting as you are coming down a steep hill, and your [insert slang term for the rectum here] will be trying to grab the seat to keep you hanging on.

    Those runaway truck ramps you sometimes see along highways — or, as I call them, committing suicide to keep from getting killed — are for the guys who miss a gear on the downhill. On a rig, your brakes might slow you down in such a situation, but you’ll smoke them and they won’t necessarily stop you.

    No one just gets in a rig and starts driving it.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (405d48)

  76. I really dislike the my-team-versus-your-team mentality. What ever happened to calling balls and strikes, regardless of the party?

    This is my lament. Hyperpartisanship, whether it be D vs R or T vs NT, is predictable, boring and devoid of any real meaning.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/30/2021 @ 8:51 am

    I don’t think it’s hyperpartisanship. I think it’s tribalism. I also think for some it’s the feature.

    I think when you tell many of the Trump crew that they’re too focused on us vs. them you’re missing the point. They don’t want a leader who will help create policy, bridge divides to get modest wins, or improve the integrity of the system. They want politicians to scream from the roof tops “How dare you look down on and my people!!! They are the true Americans!! Their way of life is the ideal one, the works of their forefathers built this country and they deserve more respect.”

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  77. Yeah, I remember back in the day, that people demanded polio vaccines not be given to kids until a decade of rigorous testing.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/30/2021 @ 8:46 am

    COVID for kids =/= Polio for kids.

    You should be better than that.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  78. Seems like a good way to drive out of the state any businesses which want to ensure their workers are vaccinated.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  79. Other Dana, Did Biden say he drove tractor trailer? When i was 18 I drove a truck. It was a 23 foot long box truck. I think it was a 5 speed. Had so much torque you almost couldn’t stall if out if you hit the wrong gear. I would never try to drive the rig you describe.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  80. @65. Reaganomics: capitalisms amusement park, Kev. Or did you miss Ronnie’s cesspool 80s. 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  81. “But once six vaccinated children died, inoculations halted until more information about their safety could be gathered. In all, 10 kids who were vaccinated early on died after becoming infected with polio, and some 200 experienced some degree of paralysis.”

    Yes. This is why vaccines based on weakened or “killed” virus are in such disfavor now. We are at least two major generations (adenovirus vectored proteins and then mRNA) past that point. We will be seeing major changes to “old” vaccines over the next few years as mRNA vaccines replace them, after long-term testing. No hurry there.

    But the point you insist on missing is the “pandemic” thing. The reason for the mandates is not based on personal health, it is based on public health and the existential danger that the unvaccinated pose to other people through their sloth, obstinacy or pure spite.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  82. @71 they still haven’t approved the covid vaccine for kids under 12, sammy, and probably won’t until next year

    Nor should they. It turns out that the virus is not particularly dangerous to kids, they don’t get it easily and aren’t sick for long, and tend not to spread it like adults do. So, no rush.

    A much better approach is to mandate that all school employees ARE vaccinated, for their own protection.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  83. COVID for kids =/= Polio for kids.

    Of course not, but but intentionally miss the point. They rushed that to market to deal with a perceived threat. Just as the current pandemic has created some urgency. I’m pretty sure that I’ve not been talking about immunizing kids anyway. I really think immunizing older kids is wasting vaccine that is better used overseas. Or at least in Mexico.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  84. @61. ROFLMAO.
    French… Ahmari… irrelevant. Please keep it up for at least 20 more years. The next successful Republicans will be the ones who admit the error of their misguided ideology, accept responsibility for the 30-40 years of wreckage they’ve wrought and chart a fresh course into the 21st century. Americans are very forgiving ‘folks’ – but don’t tolerate denial very well. [See Vietnam for details.]

    Until then, do keep trying to defend the rejection by the bulk of your own party… 74-plus million of them…

    In case of emergency, break glass and shout ‘Reagan,’ AJ. The young will be endlessly amused. 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  85. 83. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/30/2021 @ 10:13 am

    the virus is not particularly dangerous to kids, they don’t get it easily and aren’t sick for long, and tend not to spread it like adults do.

    That’s also true for measles and chicken pox, although they are more serious diseases.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  86. @82 i really don’t see that kids aren’t engaging in sloth, obstinacy or pure spite, nor are their parents

    more like they aren’t allowed to have the vaccine even if they wanted it

    so your comparison to polio makes zero sense

    if after it becomes available they are resistant, that’s a completely different discussion

    JF (e1156d)

  87. No one just gets in a rig and starts driving it.

    Joe does! He said so! What a guy. A man’s man!

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  88. They do get measles.

    They probably also get Covid, They just don;t get sick – or rather the chief danger is an overactive immune response, which can even kill, but they know how to treat that (with steroids)

    One thing that;s wrong is treating all infections as identical. The amount of the exposure matters. Very little amounts to a vaccination. That was true of smallpox too, in the 1700s before Jenner.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  89. 48.You do not have the right to infect and kill others.

    Rights?

    If only the residents of Pompeii had the Constitution to wave at Vesuvius as it erupted… or the dinosaurs had the Constitution to wave at that killer asteroid.

    Why buy any OTC cold medicines when all you need to do is wave the Constitution to ward off the bug.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  90. DCSCA: “Until then, do keep trying to defend the rejection by the bulk of your own party… 74-plus million of them…”

    It may be rejection based on my assessment of character and temperament, but policy wise? Trump cut taxes (including corporate tax rates), increased military spending (up to $714B), reduced business regulation, and spent more enforcing illegal immigration. How exactly is that a repudiation of conservative governance, especially when one factors in three conservative Justices and, albeit ham-handedly, fighting for Christians and traditionalists on the side of the culture war (kneeling athletes, monuments, etc.) ? Sure he dabbled with tariffs and chilling free-trade agreements….but much of that policy just led to higher prices, less access to markets, and a bunch of farm subsidies….meaning it failed…and contributed to Trump losing in 2020. Trump also rhetorically dabbled in infrastructure spending and a new child care entitlement….but again, he failed to deliver…because ultimately that wasn’t the priority of those 74M. If 74M voted against Reaganomics, isn’t Trump’s record curious evidence to suggest that? Please, try to be coherent….it’s a little early to be hitting the reds…

    DCSCA: “The next successful Republicans will be the ones who admit the error of their misguided ideology, accept responsibility for the 30-40 years of wreckage they’ve wrought and chart a fresh course into the 21st century.”

    Another La Mancha windmill shamelessly impaled. As dysfunctional as the GOP currently is…..sucked in by Ahmari’s desperate existential threat narrative…..willingly packaged and sold by right-wing media….half the country doesn’t suddenly become Olympia Snowe moderates. Who in this comment section would self describe themselves as a Rockefeller Republican….calling for more government and less personal responsibility? You can’t point to Haiku, mg, JF, or Buhduh and see individuals wanting higher taxes and more government spending. I would say find a new horse, but….

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  91. @91. =yawn= A drowning man flails…

    Your the desperate one tilting at the windmills.

    Break that glass and shout, AJ! 74 million need the laugh.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  92. Swiiinnnnng and a miiiissssss. Like MLB, your strikeout rate is spiking. You’re the Reggie Jackson of Patterico!

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  93. @93. =yawn=

    Bad example, AJ. I’ve met Reggie; worked w/him; wrote a TV commercial for him.

    Hit the showers– or better still, start a new party, if you’ve got the ‘balls’ for it. Then you’ll discover just how few players there are on your team.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  94. You know he’s the all-time strikeout king, right? There’s certainly better examples in terms of strikeout-rate today but I thought you would know the king….

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  95. 80 percent to go. But we are making progress:

    Polling conducted by YouGov for the Economist shows that in November, about 75 percent of Republicans had a strongly favorable view of Trump, with 90 percent having a favorable view of him overall. This month, that has slipped to 61 percent strongly favorable and 84 percent favorable overall — meaning not only a decline in how favorably he is viewed but also a softening of it, with more people saying they view him somewhat favorably than they did then.

    I expect that decline to continue, at a somewhat faster pace. After August, even cultists will find it harder to believe that the swamp-dwelling bullfrog will again be saying “ribbet, ribbet, ribbet” from the Oval Office, and his legal troubles will, more and more, displace anything he says. (For instance, the ACN lawsuit was just given a go-ahead.

    (Why do I call him a bullfrog? Because he is a swamp dweller, and as a play on Machiavelli’s lion and fox. “Emperor” Xi is a lion; “Czar” Putin is a fox; extending the metaphor, a bullfrog is a snack for a lion, and lunch for a fox. We really need a capable president, after those two narcissists, Obama and Trump.)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  96. Why “ribbet”, rather than “ribbit”? (It’s the New York accent.)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  97. 75. The baseball players who hit the most home runs also strike out a lot.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  98. @95. =yawn=

    Mr. October. =mike-drop=

    Break that glass, AJ!

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  99. @50 There are no natural rights to freedom, liberty and property. This is libertarian claptrap. All we have are privileges that can be taken away at anytime. We did not get are independence from england on july 4 1776 in philadelphia ;but at yorktown. Slavery did not end with the emancipation proclamation but at lee’s surrender.

    asset (780d71)

  100. Actually, with the 13th amendment. And a desperate Confederacy I heard was prepared to sacrifice slavery.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  101. wrt calling balls and strikes; is it just as apparent that JB and KH, and D leadership generally, are also corrupt and also have authoritarian/fascist tendencies?

    frosty (f27e97) — 7/30/2021 @ 5:41 am

    Yes, but in a different way.

    norcal (a6130b)


Powered by WordPress.

Page loaded in: 0.3313 secs.