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5/25/2021

Today’s Republican Party: Marjorie Taylor Greene Just Can’t Stop Talking About Nazis

Filed under: General — Dana @ 12:04 pm



[guest post by Dana]

I know, I know, why can’t I stop talking about the certifiable Marjorie Taylor Greene, you ask. I’ll tell you why: it’s not just because she’s a low-hanging fruit nutcase who can’t stop saying crazy things, but she is also representative of “today’s” Republican Party. You know, the Party that has transformed itself from a once-solid, once-principled entity to one that rewards liars who promote the Big Lie and punishes truth-tellers. That Republican Party. Greene is a well-known Republican firebrand, who is only too happy to push the Big Lie and protect Donald Trump at all costs when she’s not making absurd comparisons to Nazis…

First, there was this from Greene last weekend:

In an appearance last week on the podcast “The Water Cooler with David Brody,” Greene lamented to a nodding Brody about House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s decision to maintain a mask mandate on the House floor because of concerns many GOP members may not be vaccinated.

“This woman is mentally ill,” Greene said of Pelosi, D-Calif. “You know, we can look back in a time in history where people were told to wear a gold star and they were definitely treated like second-class citizens — so much so that they were put in trains and taken to gas chambers in Nazi Germany, and this is exactly the type of abuse that Nancy Pelosi is talking about.”

Ugh.

This morning she came up with a real lulu in response to an earlier report about a Knoxville grocery store’s new in-house Covid safety measures for shoppers and employees:

Food City announced it will soon allow customers who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 to shop without masks.

Beginning Thursday, May 20, vaccinated store associates and customers will not be required to wear a face mask inside the grocery store.

Employees who have been fully vaccinated will have a vaccination logo displayed on their name badge.

Food City advised customers who have not been fully vaccinated or those who prefer to do so as a safety precaution to continue wearing face coverings. The store will continue to encourage social distancing and provide hand sanitizer, cart wipes and enhanced cleaning procedures in all of its locations.

Per Greene:

It is pretty troubling that an elected official is so incredibly ignorant that she would accuse a private business that has actually lifted a mask mandate and is set to rely upon an honor system with regard to employees informing them as to whether they have been vaccinated with what the Nazis forced the Jews to do by making them wear the yellow Stars of David. I won’t insult your intelligence by pointing out the obvious differences. Suffice it to say, no one at Food City is going to be deporting any employee to a work camp, or worse, for not having a vaccination logo on their name tag.

Anyway, the hits just keep coming. Greene was at it again when she responded to a report that the University of Virginia was implementing their own Covid safety measures as students return to campus this fall:

University of Virginia students who have not been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will be barred from participating in in-person classes in the fall semester and cannot step foot on university grounds, school leaders announced Monday.

Students will have to provide proof of vaccination by July 1 if they want to take in-person classes or be on university grounds. Students can request a medical or religious exemption to the requirement. If granted, they will be required to take weekly COVID-19 tests and other health measures.

“This approach will enable our students to return to a residential academic setting where they can live, study, and gather together safely,” UVA President Jim Ryan and other university leaders said in an email message.

In late April, Attorney General Mark Herring issued a formal opinion that universities have the authority to require COVID-19 vaccinations as a condition of in-person enrollment. The decision was written to provide guidance to universities establishing their protocol for the upcoming semester; however, an attorney general opinion is not legally binding, so a student could make a legal challenge to the university’s requirement.

Cue the Nazi comparison:

Not for the first time, Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy released a statement condemning Greene’s references to Nazis and Jews, saying that her “intentional decision to compare the horrors of the Holocaust with wearing masks is appalling.”:

“Marjorie is wrong, and her intentional decision to compare the horrors of the Holocaust with wearing masks is appalling. The Holocaust is the greatest atrocity committed in history. The fact that this needs to be stated today is deeply troubling.

“At a time when the Jewish people face increased violence and threats, anti-Semitism is on the rise in the Democrat Party and is completely ignored by Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

“Americans must stand together to defeat anti-Semitism and any attempt to diminish the history of the Holocaust.

“Let me be clear: the House Republican Conference condemns this language.”

Other leaders in the Party also condemned Greene’s comments. This from Mitch McConnell:

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., also blasted Greene, calling her comments “outrageous” and “reprehensible.”

McConnell’s spokesman pointed out on Twitter that the Senate leader had previously slammed Greene’s “loony lies and conspiracy theories” as a “cancer for the Republican Party and our country.”

Presumably responding to McCarthy’s and McConnell’s condemnation of her, Greene pushed back in a long Twitter thread as if the leaders of her own conference hadn’t clearly stated that she was wrong and condemned her remarks:

The media and Democrats and everyone feeding into it is allowing them to hide the truth, which is the digusting anti-semitism within the Democrat Party.

2. At a time when the Socialist Democrats and the Jihad Squad are supporting terrorists Hamas, and their supporters are attacking Jewish people on the streets of America,

3. it’s never been more important than now to stand up against forced vaccinations and mask mandates that the left is using to discriminate against Americans who refuse to comply.

4. Their attempts to shame, ostracize, and brand Americans who choose not to get vaccinated or wear a mask are reminiscent of the great tyrants of history who did the same to those who would not comply.

5. And everyone feeding into it is allowing them to hide the truth, which is the disgusting anti-semitism within the Democrat Party.

6. The Democrats are the party of division, hate, critical race theory (pure racism), discrimination, totalitarianism, socialism, globalism, gender destruction, BDS, defunding our police, and ANTIFA / BLM terrorists.

7. I’m sorry some of my words make people uncomfortable, but this is what the American left is all about.

And they are America last in every single way.

–Dana

85 Responses to “Today’s Republican Party: Marjorie Taylor Greene Just Can’t Stop Talking About Nazis”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (fd537d)

  2. Either she’s nuts, or she’s decided that it benefits her to say outrageous & offensive because that’s what here supporters want to her. I think it’s both. I think she’s nuts and that she knows much of her base views themselves as a persecuted minority of historic proportions.

    I’m glad GOP leaders are pushing back and that not all republicans buy into her insane, self aggrandizing, and offensive view of the world.

    Time123 (cd2ff4)

  3. it’s an analogy

    JF (e1156d)

  4. You’ll figure out what that word means eventually.

    Time123 (6e0727)

  5. Vaccinated employees get a vaccination logo just like the Nazi’s forced Jewish people to wear a gold star.

    Ah, so it’s the vaccinated people who are being marked for deportation to the camps! MTG should feel very safe, then.

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  6. She reminds me of Goebbels. I guess that’s another analogy.

    Anyway, the problem isn’t so much the crazies like MTG. It’s the ordinary careerist Republicans who have decided that their political future lies in sucking up to Trump and placating the Trumpist base by signing on, or at least acquiescing to the view that 1) the last election was stolen and 2) R’s must do everything possible to ensure that future elections aren’t stolen by 3) ensuring through state legislation and future Congressional action that D’s don’t win.

    I guess all good things must come to an end and it looks like American democracy is headed that way. And if we’re no longer a democracy, then I don’t think our Constitutional Republic has much of a future either.

    Victor (4959fb)

  7. Kevin McCarthy:

    MTG is you, your Frankenstein’s Monster.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  8. I wonder if those here who decried the phrase “big lie” as an inappropriate Nazi analogy will do so in this case.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  9. i see we’re back on the trump train

    JF (e1156d)

  10. It’s the ordinary careerist Republicans who have decided that their political future lies in sucking up to Trump and placating the Trumpist base by signing on

    Joe Walsh tweeted that an old (i.e. former) friend of his told him: “When you attack Marjorie Taylor Greene, you’re attacking me.” It’s basically the Trump cult-worship squared.

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  11. it’s more like folks need a backup excuse to not vote republican cuz trump might keel over from too many big macs and mtg fits the bill

    JF (e1156d)

  12. She’s projecting

    Hoi Polloi (7cefeb)

  13. @12 Good one!

    Time123 (6e0727)

  14. The Trump train will roll as long as he is the conductor of the Republican Party.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  15. The Trump train will roll as long as he is the conductor of the Republican Party.

    So will the anti-Trump train. It’s like a rising tide; it lifts all boats.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  16. it’s an analogy
    JF (e1156d) — 5/25/2021 @ 12:28 pm

    You’ll figure out what that word means eventually.
    Time123 (6e0727) — 5/25/2021 @ 12:58 pm

    Not to pour gasoline onto the embers, but….

    Trend of likening Capitol riot to 9/11 attacks continues with HuffPo White House correspondent

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  17. She’s newsworthy because she has my party leader’s stamp of approval, and is one of several elected representatives who went on a pilgrimage to Mar A Lago to kiss his ring or his whatever.
    Trump’s silence about her mask-Nazi remarks says quite a bit.

    Paul Montagu (ae5011)

  18. It’s the ordinary careerist Republicans who have decided that their political future lies in sucking up to Trump and placating the Trumpist base by signing on

    That’s one way to look at it. Not a very accurate one though. The truth is that you cannot get elected to anything as a Republican today while attacking Trump. The Democrats will still vote for the other guy and the Trumpies will leave the line blank (at best). Doesn’t matter if you are a careerist or a citizen-legislator — unless you have an utter lock on the office (e.g. Romney) you don’t stand a chance if you do not give fealty to Trump.

    You could say “well, F it! Let the Dems have it all! They don’t worship Trump!” But of course they worship something worse — the State.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  19. The beatings will continue until Trump dies.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  20. The other Big Lie: “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  21. As for masks:

    Let people decide to wear a mask or not. If everyone who doesn’t get vaccinated also doesn’t wear a mask, the national average IQ will edge up a point or two in a year.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  22. she is also representative of “today’s” Republican Party.

    How can MTG be representative when the House GOP leader denounces her comments?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  23. @19 that and greene losing re-election would be the worst thing to happen to the i’d-vote-republican-but crowd

    oh wait, qanon!

    JF (e1156d)

  24. It is pretty troubling that an elected official is so incredibly ignorant that…

    Hank (“Guam”) Johnson (D-GA) is Chair of the “Intellectual Property and the Internet” subcommittee, Ignorance is strong in these Georgians.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  25. Greene is the worst sort of representative — she ignores her district, cannot stay in her lane, and loudly opines on things well outside her knowledge.

    Parties have a way of getting rid of these folks — they make sure the district gets nothing off the gravy train and pretty soon the car dealers and civic boosters in her community decide that someone else should have the job.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  26. Today’s Republican Party: Marjorie Taylor Greene Just Can’t Stop Talking About Nazis

    She’s such a diva– and very much in fashion; face it: they were snappier dressers.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  27. Takes one to know one. Her fuhrer would be proud.

    asset (5d5eab)

  28. You know, the Party that has transformed itself from a once-solid, once-principled entity to one that rewards liars who promote the Big Lie and punishes truth-tellers. That Republican Party.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j-8Q79U1qk

    Yeah. THAT Republican Party.

    “Barry! Barry! Make your bid; I love John Birch but oh you kid!’ Chad Mitchell Trio

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  29. You can take the hoyden out of the hills, but you can’t take the hills out of the hoyden. And not the hookworm, either.

    nk (1d9030)

  30. Vaccinated employees get a vaccination logo just like the Nazi’s forced Jewish people to wear a gold star.

    …has the analogy backwards.

    The people being singled out are being singled out for favorable treatment. But she likes the analogy too much to worry about logic.

    It has to go the way she has it because she wants to pretend that the people with the logo = the people who got vaccinated – would be in the minority.

    It’s more like having to show proof of legal residency to get a job, or proof of who you are to go aboard an airplane.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  31. 6. Victor (4959fb) — 5/25/2021 @ 1:02 pm

    the problem…..the ordinary careerist Republicans who have decided that their political future lies in sucking up to Trump and placating the Trumpist base by signing on, or at least acquiescing to the view that 1) the last election was stolen and 2) R’s must do everything possible to ensure that future elections aren’t stolen by 3) ensuring through state legislation and future Congressional action that D’s don’t win.

    I guess all good things must come to an end and it looks like American democracy is headed that way.

    It sounds like you read Paul Krugman’s column today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/24/opinion/republicans-donald-trump-loyalty.html

    America’s democratic experiment may well be nearing its end. That’s not hyperbole; it’s obvious to anyone following the political scene. Republicans might take power legitimately; they might win through pervasive voter suppression; G.O.P. legislators might simply refuse to certify Democratic electoral votes and declare Donald Trump or his political heir the winner. However it plays out, the G.O.P. will try to ensure a permanent lock on power and do all it can to suppress dissent….

    …Or to put it another way, the fundamental problem lies less with the crazies than with the careerists; not with the madness of Marjorie Taylor Greene, but with the spinelessness of Kevin McCarthy…

    Krugman says it’s hard to find a genuine expert economist who isn’t working for Biden, [he really say just about that] while Republicans, even before Trump, ignored conservative economists with solid academic reputations – he says there are some – in favor of politically reliable cranks.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  32. Well she’s closer this time. Wrong, but closer.

    Nic (896fdf)

  33. Closer than when?

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  34. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: These people are minions of the First Horseman.

    nk (1d9030)

  35. I did nazi see that coming…

    (sorry, couldn’t help myself).

    MTG is a nut and I hope she’s one-and-done politically honestly. But, it’s on par to political discourse these days. Everyone wants to be a bomb thrower, so I can’t get too worked up about it.
    Sidebar: Whenever I see “MTG” my brain goes to Magic the Gather. (oldschool gamer back in unlimited days)

    Sidebar #2: I know some of ya’ll really believe Mueller investigation really, REALLY wanted to charge Trump with obstruction, but internal deliberations between the SCO and OLC recommended not to:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/justice-department-memo-mueller-trump/2021/05/24/50b0f580-b432-11eb-a980-a60af976ed44_story.html


    “Over the course of the Special Counsel’s investigation, we have previously discussed these issues within the Department among ourselves, with the Deputy Attorney General, and with you since your appointment, as well as with the Special Counsel and his staff. Our conclusions are the product of those discussions, as well as our review of the Report,” the lawyers wrote in the newly public section.

    For decades, Justice Department policy has held that sitting presidents could not be charged with a crime. But the memo went beyond that constitutional position, arguing “certain of the conduct examined by the Special Counsel could not, as a matter of law, support an obstruction charge under the circumstances. Accordingly, were there no constitutional barrier, we would recommend, under the Principles of Federal Prosecution, that you decline to commence such a prosecution.”

    whembly (63cfde)

  36. MTG=Magic the Gathering

    Bad spelling days…

    whembly (63cfde)

  37. @Sammy@33 Closer than when she said that the rule that congress people had to wear masks was like how Nazis treated Jewish people. (It’s in the weekend post)

    Nic (896fdf)

  38. Memo to MTG:

    You may just have a hit on your hands, sweetie!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPXHRX8Q2hs

    ‘Don’t be stupid; Be a smarty; Come and join the Nazi Party.’

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  39. Well, another one of Hitler’s policies, anti-smoking, has proven wildly successful. There are only about 34 million cigarette smokers in the United States, a little more than 10% of the population. So if we could get 90% or so of the population vaccinated ….

    nk (1d9030)

  40. 34.I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: These people are minions of the First Horseman.

    Birchers Redux.

    Glorious.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  41. MTG had to be a gifted child. I can’t imagine any parents paying for her.

    (Yeah, I plagiarized it. What’re you gonna do about?)

    nk (1d9030)

  42. Her other statements notwithstanding

    At a time when the Socialist Democrats and the Jihad Squad are supporting terrorists Hamas, and their supporters are attacking Jewish people on the streets of America

    True

    And everyone feeding into it is allowing them to hide the truth, which is the disgusting anti-semitism within the Democrat Party.

    It’s not so much that they are hiding it. It’s right out in the open. It’s more that it’s normalized.

    The Democrats are the party of division, hate, critical race theory (pure racism), discrimination, totalitarianism, socialism, globalism, gender destruction, BDS, defunding our police, and ANTIFA / BLM terrorists.

    Yep

    And they are America last in every single way.

    It’s to bad she’s the loudest voice on this and R’s generally are no better. Oh, and this is being used as a diversion. So, SSDD.

    frosty (f27e97)

  43. Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 5/25/2021 @ 3:08 pm

    Yes and no. The point of identifying clothing is to separate people into groups. It’s immaterial which group gets the negative treatment. The important part is what happens after the groups are identified.

    In this case I don’t see that either group is getting negative treatment. We’ll see if that is the next step.

    If wearing the logo has no positive value can people who didn’t get vaccinated wear it without repercussions? Why isn’t not wearing a mask enough since they are equivalent?

    frosty (f27e97)

  44. MTG had to be a gifted child. I can’t imagine any parents paying for her.

    hahaahahahaha

    Dustin (4237e0)

  45. (Yeah, I plagiarized it. What’re you gonna do about?)

    nk (1d9030) — 5/25/2021 @ 5:51 pm

    Oh my! You’re going to be DCSCA’s new whipping boy.

    norcal (0bc3cd)

  46. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. And to put something down because of guilt by association is wrong. I’ll leave you this video by Robert Barnes at Hillsdale College.

    https://youtu.be/Dzu5J4M4pBQ

    Tanny O'Haley (8a06bc)

  47. Today’s Republican Party: Marjorie Taylor Greene Just Can’t Stop Talking About Nazis

    This would be a more accurate headline if half the post did not talk about how the Congressional leaders of the Republican party publicly called her out.

    Maybe “Republican Party Fringe: Marjorie Taylor Greene Just Can’t Stop Talking About Nazis”

    I mean, not even Trump is this nuts.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  48. As I’ve said before, her corner of GA has been sending outliers to Congress for a while; probably ever since they dispossesed the Cherokee there.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  49. It’s not so much that they are hiding it. It’s right out in the open. It’s more that it’s normalized.

    What a bunch of dishonest rubbish.

    Since it’s right out in the open, which Democratic congressional reps, senators or executive branch officials are publicly making anti-semitic statements?

    Note: criticism of the policies of the Israeli government is not anti-semitism (plenty of Israeli Jews are also critical of Netanyahu’s policies).

    Dave (1542be)

  50. Remember when Jake Tapper said an election was stolen?

    Tanny O'Haley (8a06bc)

  51. The people who compared Donald Trump to Hitler every single hour of every day for five years straight are now SHOCKED and APPALLED and simply AGHAST at anyone who uses Hitler analogies.

    — Matt Walsh

    The democrats did this for over four years and still do this today. I think it’s a failed argument, but why all the hate for Green and no hate for the Democrats.

    Tanny O'Haley (8a06bc)

  52. Since it’s right out in the open, which Democratic congressional reps, senators or executive branch officials are publicly making anti-semitic statements?

    https://nypost.com/2020/01/29/rep-rashida-tlaib-still-hasnt-apologized-for-pushing-a-blood-libel-against-jews/

    https://news.yahoo.com/raphael-warnock-blood-libel-193349686.html

    Hoi Polloi (b28058)

  53. “It’s all about the Benjamins”

    JF (e1156d)

  54. 39. nk (1d9030) — 5/25/2021 @ 5:16 pm

    Well, another one of Hitler’s policies, anti-smoking, has proven wildly successful.

    He only wanted the members of the SS not to smoke. The rest he didn’t try to stop.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  55. In my not entirely humble opinion, the biggest problem with what Obama, Trump, AOC, MTG, and company say is that they distract us from serious problems.

    For example, our declining life expectancy:

    The average life expectancy in the United States has been on a decline since 2014. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention cites three main reasons: a 72% increase in overdoses in the last decade (including a 30% increase in opioid overdoses from July 2016 to September 2017, but did not differentiate between accidental overdose with a legal prescription and overdose with opioids obtained illegally and/or combined with illegal drugs i.e., heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, etc.), a ten-year increase in liver disease (the rate for men age 25 to 34 increased by 8% per year; for women, by 11% per year), and a 33% increase in suicide rates since 1999.[35]

    Moreover, what they say has had the effect of dividing us, when we need to unify. We should, for example, have treated COVID as we and the Brits did, WW II, with coalition governments. FDR brought in prominent Republicans to head the Navy and War departments; Churchill became Prime Minister as head of a coalition Cabinet that included Labour ministers.

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  56. Jim Miller (edcec1) — 5/26/2021 @ 9:27 am

    We should, for example, have treated COVID as we and the Brits did, WW II, with coalition governments. FDR brought in prominent Republicans to head the Navy and War departments;

    Not a coalition government, but FDR did offer the posts of Secretary of War and Secretary of the Navy to the 1936 Republican presidential and vice presidential candidates in 1940. Alf Landon declined, but Frank Knox accepted. (to create the vacancy at Department of the Navy, FDR arranged for Charles Edison (son of Thomas Edison) to get the Democratic nomination for Governor of New Jersey)

    This raises the interesting question of when the election for Governor of New Jersey was moved to the odd numbered year following the presidential election. A quick look reveals than then the Governor of New Jersey was elected for a 3-year term. This continued until 1949. The term was lengthened to 4 years under the 1947 constitution.

    Instead of Alf Landon, FDR named Henry L. Stimson as Secretary of War. He had been Secretary of War in the Taft Administration from 1911 to 1913. This was a greater gap than between Donald Rumsfeld’s two stints as Secretary of Defense, first from 1975 through 1977, and the second starting in 2001.

    Henry L. Stimson was also Secretary of State under President Hoover, from 1929 through 1933, where he is best remembered for shutting down the “Black chamber” saying “Gentlemen do not read each other’s mail.”

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  57. RIP John Warner (94). World War II Navy veteran, Korean War Marine veteran, former Senator from Virginia (last Republican Senator), former Navy Secretary, and sixth husband (out of eight) of Elizabeth Taylor.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  58. Breaking
    Mass casualty shooting at San Jose light rail maintenance yard, with “multiple fatalities and injuries.” Shooter is dead. The shooting reportedly took place at an employee meeting.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  59. Hoi,

    I clicked on your links. Describe how either incident is anti-Semitic, as opposed to anti-Israel.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  60. “Moreover, what they say has had the effect of dividing us, when we need to unify.”

    Unfortunately, everything in media and social media pulls us in the opposite direction….we now have highly partisan news, blogs, talk shows, and books….keeping people in their preferred bubble. Everything is about winning the moment….and about owning the other side….with the result being the absence of goodwill and problems just….festering. Losing just means that fanatics get more desperate. The lesson of Trump for many was that we need even more Trump….the Left hasn’t given in to the Bernie/AOC crowd….yet…but the desperation is growing there too. Who in the political world is talking cooperation, lowering the rhetoric, moderation, let alone coalition? That market is effectively squeezed out by who screams the loudest and makes news. The adults are no longer in charge….politics is just one protracted temper tantrum that we enable with the likes of MTG and AOC. Until big media pivots this is the new normal…..

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  61. @61. Conservative whine; bitter dregs; Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine.

    As you sow; so shall you reap.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  62. Off-topic: The Instapundit comment section (if not the regular blog) remains an effing cesspool.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  63. shutting down the “Black chamber” saying “Gentlemen do not read each other’s mail.”

    I wonder how he felt about breaking the Purple code? Or ULTRA?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  64. Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine.

    And good riddance. The “Fairness Doctrine” codified the idea that there were only two sides to any question: The Democrats and whoever the Democrats chose as their loyal opposition.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  65. News items:
    Workplace shooting in San Jose. 8 dead, plus shooter. Workplace grievance.

    Amazon buying MGM. Just when you thought Bezos owned enough.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  66. The Fairness Doctrine was going to be killed by Reagan or by the courts for being unconstitutional. Odd that a Trumpy Buchananite would oppose its ending, given the state of current nationalist America First talk radio.

    Paul Montagu (a05eda)

  67. @67

    I have yet to discover a consistent framework in DCSCA’s opinions.

    norcal (ad7fce)

  68. @65. No, it simply allowed for airing a contrasting POV – no stipulation that that was limited to an ‘either/or’ choice.

    @67. Rubbish. ‘The fairness doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows, or editorials. The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented. The demise of this FCC rule has been considered by some to be a contributing factor for the rising level of party polarization in the United States.’ source wikiReagancesspool.muck

    “As you sow, so shall you reap.”

    @68. Reaganoptics.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  69. “I have yet to discover a consistent framework in DCSCA’s opinions.”

    The only opinion of DCSCA that I’m certain of is that he believes that the modern GOP is the direct, inevitable result of GOP policies over the last 40 years.

    Davethulhu (69e65f)

  70. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/26/2021 @ 11:12 am

    I wonder how he felt about breaking the Purple code? Or ULTRA?

    It could probably be researched, but by 1941 he probably felt they weren’t dealing with gentlemen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Chamber

    In 1929, the State Department withdrew its share of the funding, the Army declined to bear the entire load, and the Black Chamber closed down.

    New Secretary of State Henry L. Stimson made this decision, and years later in his memoirs made the oft-quoted comment: “Gentlemen do not read each other’s mail.”[6] Stimson’s ethical reservations about cryptanalysis focused on the targeting of diplomats from America’s close allies, not on spying in general. Once he became Secretary of War during World War II, he and the entire US command structure relied heavily on decrypted enemy communications

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  71. 60. Appalled (1a17de) — 5/26/2021 @ 10:06 am

    s. Describe how either incident is anti-Semitic, as opposed to anti-Israel.

    False accusations of evil against Jews is the very definition of anti-semitism.

    It can be said that this is anti-semitism applied to a country.

    Hanas’ policy goals are implicitly genocidal, and as their ends are, so are their means. That they light years away from it doesn’t change what it is.

    And you may have noticed that Jews around the world got targeted.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  72. DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 5/26/2021 @ 12:44 pm

    DCSCA used a wiki, so yeah, case closed.
    Problem is, it doesn’t contradict anything I said. The bottom line is that the Fairness Doctrine was going to get adiosed, for First Amendment reasons. I guess I forgot that, with all whining from the right wing about Section 230, Buchanany Trumpites aren’t that jazzed about free speech when it goes against them.

    Paul Montagu (eb7299)

  73. @73. Except it wasn’t.

    ‘As you sow; so shall you reap.’

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  74. The Fairness Doctrine (FD) was ruled constitutional in 1969 (Red Lion), but the Court used a lower standard of scrutiny to the broadcasters’ 1st amendment rights than it applied to other media. It did impose a requirement to cover issue of public importance and do so in a fair manner….both of which are pretty subjective, meaning a broadcaster would have to be continuously looking over his shoulder for the approval of a government super-editor about speech content. That seems to imply textbook strict scrutiny….meaning the government must show a compelling interest with the law being the least restrictive means. The decision in 1969 was based on the scarcity of the broadcast spectrum and the need to get people access to a variety of viewpoints. With cable, satellite, the internet, and smart phones, the argument to use intermediate scrutiny seems positively quaint. The question becomes even if it gets to intermediate scrutiny, does the FD chill speech rather than expand it? It seems to me that more issues will simply be avoided out of fear of violating the FD. Why wrestle with “fair” and unavoidable expensive lawsuits if you don’t have to? How does the FCC even start to monitor this in an even manner and decide that enough viewpoints have been heard? I’m not a fan of the bubbles that we’ve created, but this is a dumb idea….

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  75. @75. FD death + cable deregulation = Reaganoptics/Reaganaurics. It was a short term ploy by the rabid Bircher offspring; the nut baggers and Newtie-types- and as recent history has shown them, swopped ends on the rabid proponents as they coarsened discourse and shouted with increased desperation angrier and angrier rhetoric in an echo chamber to an ever shrinking–an even dying- audience.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  76. I have yet to see how Reagan’s destruction of tariffs worldwide and opening the world to capitalism led to Trump’s return to protectionism.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  77. Re: The Fairness Doctrine

    Where in article 1, section 8 of the enumerated powers of the federal government in the US Constitution does it allow them to make this kind of law?

    Tanny O'Haley (8a06bc)

  78. @78. … and Xi Jinping smiled.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  79. Dave (1542be) — 5/25/2021 @ 11:29 pm

    What a bunch of dishonest rubbish.

    Since it’s right out in the open, which Democratic congressional reps, senators or executive branch officials are publicly making anti-semitic statements

    It being normalized is what allows people to say Hamas/BDS/BLM aren’t anti-Semitic. You get to point to other D’s all telling each other being pro-hamas is perfectly fine.

    frosty (f27e97)

  80. Arizona Republicans passed a measure on Tuesday to strip Democrat Katie Hobbs, the current secretary of state, of her ability to defend election lawsuits, a seemingly partisan retaliation for her sharp criticism of the party’s controversial election audit.

    The bill, which passed both the state’s House and Senate Appropriations committees, puts the attorney general, Republican Mark Brnovich, in charge of defending all lawsuits through January 2, 2023, which is around the end of his and Hobbs’ current terms.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/arizona-republicans-introduce-bill-strip-powers-democratic-secretary-state-n1268558

    Davethulhu (69e65f)

  81. There seems to be a lot of opinion in those paragraphs. Maybe we can fix it.

    The Arizona Republicans legislature passed a measure on Tuesday to strip Democrat Katie Hobbs, the current secretary of state, of her ability to defend election lawsuits. , a seemingly partisan retaliation for her sharp criticism of the party’s controversial election audit.

    The bill, [bill number here] which passed both the state’s House and Senate Appropriations committees, puts the attorney general, Republican Mark Brnovich, in charge of defending all lawsuits through January 2, 2023, which is around the end of his and Hobbs’ current terms.

    It could be better, but at least this strips the opinion out of the piece and makes it news. And I did this is without actually looking up any of the facts.

    Tanny O'Haley (8a06bc)

  82. “I’m honored today to be joined by Governor Northam.” – President Plagiarist, 5-28-21

    ‘President Joe Biden will participate in an event alongside Democratic Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam on Friday, two years after Biden said the embattled governor “should resign immediately” for appearing to have worn either a KKK outfit or blackface.’

    IDIOT.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  83. He just sounds like an idiot, if you put the two statements together.

    Biden always plays along with whoever is in power, if not with regard to substance, with regard to style and giving them honor. Provided they are not implacable opponents.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)


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