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5/12/2021

As Expected: Liz Cheney Is Ousted From Her Leadership Position (UPDATE ADDED)

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:16 am



[guest post by Dana]

It’s official. The House GOP has voted to remove Rep. Liz Cheney from the No. 3 position:

Many House Republicans on Wednesday celebrated the removal of Rep. Liz Cheney as their conference chair, a decision that came after months of building tensions over the future of the party folowing President Trump’s departure.

Some said the decision was in the best interest of the party to stay united ahead of the 2022 midterms. Others said it was a positive for Republicans to repudiate Cheney’s “neoconservative policies.” Others were simply glad Cheney is no longer the third-ranking Republican in the House.

When a political party votes to boot a member from a leadership role because said member tells the truth about Trump, no matter the political cost to her, because she understands that it’s absolutely essential that the Party reject Donald Trump’s lies and destructive influences if they want to regain their relevant standing, then it’s all too clear that today’s Republican Party is no longer interested in founding ideals or the Rule of Law. Instead, the Republican Party is now about whitewashing truth and promoting proven lies (about the 2020 election and the Jan. 6 insurrection), and further, canceling anyone who rejects these lies. Truth and integrity no longer have a place in today’s Republican Party. Here is a good summation of the new Republican Party in all of its new-found glory and seriousness:

Meanwhile, while Rep. Elise Stefanik seemed positioned to replace Cheney in her leadership position, especially as Leader Kevin McCarthy gave her his blessing. Yet, one has to ask why today’s MAGA Republican Party would want a squishy conservative like Stefanik, who only recently went MAGA when it was politically convenient when it could have Trump darling and full-blown MAGA queen, Marjorie Taylor Greene, instead. This especially as she is clearly lobbying for the job:

Because of the Republican Party’s break from reality, a number of concerned Republicans, including former officials, are speculating about a third party:

More than 100 influential Republicans plan to release a call for reforms within the GOP alongside a threat to form a new party if change isn’t forthcoming, a person familiar with the effort said.

The statement, set to be released Thursday, involves a “Call for American Renewal,” a credo that declares that it is imperative to “either reimagine a party dedicated to our founding ideals or else hasten the creation of such an alternative.” The push will include 13 yet-to-be-revealed principles that the signatories want the GOP to embrace.

A push to channel anti-Trump sentiment with the “Never Trump” movement in the spring of 2016 was largely unsuccessful at the time, and none of the people backing this latest effort are serving as elected Republicans. However, it comes as Trump’s pull within his party appears to have lessened. A recent NBC News poll found that 44 percent of Republicans said they support Trump more than the GOP, compared to 50 percent who said they support the GOP more than the former president.

And finally, yet again demonstrating consistency in being a projecting sleaze with no self-awareness, here is the leader of today’s Republican Party commenting on the ousting of Cheney. Because no one does bitterness like Donald Trump, who has single-handedly done irreparable damage to the Republican Party and provided Democrats with red meat for the past five years:

Liz Cheney is a bitter, horrible human being. I watched her yesterday and realized how bad she is for the Republican Party. She has no personality or anything good having to do with politics or our Country. She is a talking point for Democrats, whether that means the Border, the gas lines, inflation, or destroying our economy. She is a warmonger whose family stupidly pushed us into the never-ending Middle East Disaster, draining our wealth and depleting our Great Military, the worst decision in our Country’s history. I look forward to soon watching her as a Paid Contributor on CNN or MSDNC!

UPDATE: A formidable and undeterred Cheney:

–Dana

105 Responses to “As Expected: Liz Cheney Is Ousted From Her Leadership Position (UPDATE ADDED)”

  1. Unbelievable.

    Dana (fd537d)

  2. More than 100 influential Republicans plan to release a call for reforms within the GOP alongside a threat to form a new party if change isn’t forthcoming, a person familiar with the effort said.

    Oh, fantastic. I was so hoping to see nothing but left-wing Presidents for the rest of my life.

    JVW (30a532)

  3. It’s kind of funny that just about one year ago so many of us thought that it was the Democrats who would go the way of the British Labour Party, riven by factionalism and incapable of functioning as a legitimate opposition. Instead it turns out to be the GOP.

    JVW (30a532)

  4. a purger got purged

    hoist on her own petard

    she got feinsteined

    yawn

    JF (e1156d)

  5. Now we can move forward.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  6. JVW,

    they aren’t influential. They’ve voted for the leftist candidate at least the past 2 elections. They are Lincoln Project types, nothing more.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  7. George W Bush attempting to bring sanity to the situation by saying he agrees:

    “Instead of training fire on [Trump], she really should have been training fire on Biden and that agenda……that’s what you want out of your leadership. and unfortunately you know, she didn’t rise to the challenge…..I want to help my Republicans re-take the House, which I think we will, take back the Senate, so we can stymie the Biden Harris agenda.”

    https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/status/1392480060863549440?s=20

    This is reality.

    Ombudman (2e23b8)

  8. Truth and integrity no longer have a place in today’s Republican Party.

    Unity does.

    An idea they borrowed from the Democrats.

    It’s never any good to hear vague talk of party unity.

    I think the idea ultimately came from Lenin.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  9. 7. That’s George Prescott Bush, Jeb’s son, a Texas Land Commissioner (whatever that is), and not George Walker Bush, Jeb’s brother, the 43rd President.

    nk (1d9030)

  10. I wish I could care more, but it took me a solid hour to get gas for my empty car this morning. Don’t know what is worse: panic buyers, or the Biden Administration saying there were no gas shortages. Or worse, telling people to buy EVs.

    I am to bitter at those two groups to care much about these two GOP groups.

    Hoi Polloi (15cfac)

  11. 8. It makes much more sense that t’s George Prescott Bush would say that. W has never liked Donald Trump and neither of his parents voted for him in 2016.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  12. McCarthy after ousting Cheney: ‘I don’t think anybody is questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election’

    Except the leader of the Republican Party and a majority of his Republican colleagues.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  13. Hoi Polloi (15cfac) — 5/12/2021 @ 11:48 am

    I wish I could care more, but it took me a solid hour to get gas for my empty car this morning. Don’t know what is worse: panic buyers, or the Biden Administration saying there were no gas shortages.

    It was kind of pathetic to tell people not to buy gas, although it is true, this shortage will be over by the end of this week or the middle of next week. It’s like toilet paper in March, 2020.

    The interesting thing is it’s not the hack itself that cut off the gas. Colonial Pipeline did it itself, just in case the malicious software had inserted itself anywhere else. They were treating this like the Stuxnet virus.

    77WABC radio owner John Catsimatidis told people on the air to buy gas. Probably common sense. He also owns United Refining Co., the owner of gasoline refineries in Pennsylvania and Alabama and 371 gasoline stations, although he’s better known as the owner of Gristedes and Red Apple supermarkets. He recently bought the radio station.

    He also doesn’t understand this love affair with electric cars. Electric cars make sense, he said, for China, which doesn’t have oi, or for Europe, not the United States where we are currently producing lots of oil.

    But of course the argument for electric cars is not energy conservation, ir’s that it could, depending on what is used to generate the electricity used to recharge its batteries, release less carbon dioxide into the air…which will have virtually no effect on the climate, but who’s doing the math, and who is to say the effect is good?

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  14. Freedom Caucus Republican says Cheney was ‘canceled’
    …….
    “Liz Cheney was canceled today for speaking her mind and disagreeing with the narrative that President Trump has put forth,” Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.) told reporters in the Capitol.

    Buck, a member of the far-right Freedom Caucus, suggested Cheney has every right to air her grievances with former President Trump and his false narrative surrounding his election defeat, even from a leadership position. That criticism was the reason she was dumped from the No. 3 leadership spot on Wednesday.
    …….
    “We have to deal with this narrative at some point. There are major issues — the border, spending — there are major issues,” he said. “But to suggest that the American people in 2022 won’t consider the fact that we were unwilling to stand up to a narrative that the election was stolen, I think will be taken into consideration with their vote.”
    ……
    Meanwhile, a number of conservatives are furious that Stefanik has been tapped as Cheney’s heir apparent. They’re pointing to Stefanik’s moderate voting record in urging Republicans to reject her.

    Asked about Stefanik, Buck was terse in his criticism.

    “I think she’s a liberal,” he said, adding that he won’t support her in the vote to seat her as Cheney’s replacement, which is expected to occur Friday.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  15. It’s like toilet paper in March, 2020.

    There’s no real shortage.

    And this will be over much sooner.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  16. Since it was a voice vote we have the worst of all possible words: No accountability to voters, but plenty of opportunity for retaliation against those that voted no.

    Just when you think the GOP could not get any uglier.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  17. Oh, fantastic. I was so hoping to see nothing but left-wing Presidents for the rest of my life.

    TRUMP is the cause of this. No one else.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  18. So, Trump/Greene 2024.

    And on the other side: Harris/AOC

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  19. More than 100 influential Republicans plan to release a call for reforms within the GOP alongside a threat to form a new party if change isn’t forthcoming, a person familiar with the effort said.

    The statement, set to be released Thursday, involves a “Call for American Renewal,” a credo that declares that it is imperative to “either reimagine a party dedicated to our founding ideals or else hasten the creation of such an alternative.” The push will include 13 yet-to-be-revealed principles that the signatories want the GOP to embrace.

    Yeah, I’ve been talking about just this for some time. That last bit — a set of principles that will attract rather than repel — is important. It can’t be the status quo ante either.

    Old things that probably detract: abortion, sexual traditions, open borders, libertarian trade.

    Old things to keep: National security, personal freedom and individual rights, low taxes, low spending, balanced budgets (someday)

    New things to add: federal devolution of power to the states (and gutting federal bloat), nuclear and solar power, rational environmentalism (e.g. cost-benefit rules), megacity mass transit, removing barriers to free enterprise, and reducing the power of public-employee unions.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  20. Conservative whine; bitter dregs.

    Party Infrastructure 101:

    “Temporary inconvenience. Permanent improvement.”

    Glorious.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  21. It will be interesting to see who walks, or threatens to walk. IF it’s just the Evan McMullins and Christine Whitmans it won’t have much impact. If it’s W, Romney and 43 members of the House and Senate it will be the end of the GOP.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  22. TRUMP is the cause of this. No one else.

    Pfft. That’s like saying, “Hitler is the cause of this, no one else.” Der Fuehrer had plenty of helping marching along side.

    Trump is a Reagan Creation, Kevin. The Frankenstein was brought to life, nurtured and fed amidst the gaudy, glittery excesses of Ronnie’s “shining city on a hill.”

    He is the GOP’s ‘Picture of Dorian Gray.’ He is “you.”

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  23. @21. Jeb! LOLOLOLOL 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  24. ‘Meanwhile, a number of conservatives are furious that Stefanik has been tapped as Cheney’s heir apparent. They’re pointing to Stefanik’s moderate voting record in urging Republicans to reject her.’

    Nelson is smiling.

    Glorious.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  25. And on the other side: Harris/AOC

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/12/2021 @ 12:12 pm

    Democrats are too smart and savvy to let AOC anywhere near the presidential ticket.

    Hoi Polloi (15cfac)

  26. McCarthy after ousting Cheney: ‘I don’t think anybody is questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election’

    Whoa — I’ve been hearing that the point of ousting Cheney was that leadership needs to be in step with the base, most of whom are very much questioning the legitimacy of the election. How can the party move forward when its top House leader is so disrespectful of the rank and file???

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  27. On Trump’s tweet:

    Trumpkins were always telling us to stop obsessing about “personality” and just look at “policy.” Trumpite intellectuals took the position that the moral measure of a politician comes down to policy.
    Cheney mostly supported Trump’s policies. Trump now tells us that she is a “horrible human being” and bad for the country.

    Trumpers must therefore agree that someone who strongly supports Trump on policy is a horrible person and bad for the country.

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  28. New things to add: federal devolution of power to the states (and gutting federal bloat), nuclear and solar power, rational environmentalism (e.g. cost-benefit rules), megacity mass transit, removing barriers to free enterprise, and reducing the power of public-employee unions repealing the National Labor Relations Act.

    Fixed it.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  29. she is a “horrible human being” and bad for the country.

    As the war-mongering daughter of a notorious chicken hawk, she is.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  30. In 2016 the GOP won the house, the senate and the presidency. They lost the house at the mid term. They lost the presidency and thanks in part to Trumps attempt to steal the election they lost the GA runoff. Cheney tried to push the party to move past Trump but it’s not a conservative party pursing conservative goals. It’s Trump’s party pursuing his glorification and cultural grievance.

    It’s a share we can’t move past Trump but this is a tangible example that he and the 2020 election are still the main topic.

    Time123 (f5cf77)

  31. As the war-mongering daughter of a notorious chicken hawk, she is.

    Show us the important issues on which she opposed Trump — aside from the “stolen election” claim.

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  32. Democrats are too smart and savvy to let AOC anywhere near the presidential ticket.

    Hoi Polloi (15cfac) — 5/12/2021 @ 12:45 pm

    1. You’re not going to lose money betting on Stupid.

    Young Bull; ‘Hey old bull, let’s run down there and have sex with one of those cows.”
    Old Bull; ‘let’s walk and have sex with all of them’

    Time123 (f5cf77)

  33. Trump is not the “leader” of the GOP party.

    Saying it so, doesn’t make it so.

    Until he’s renominated during the presidential primary, any “leader” will be a hodge podge, between McConnell, McCarthy and Ronna Romney.

    whembly (6c6692)

  34. Whembly, If I re-worded it as Trump is a leader, or one of the most significant leaders?

    If not him, who is and how independent are they of Trump?

    Time123 (ca85c9)

  35. Kevin McCarthy last November :

    President Trump won this election, so everyone who’s listening, do not be quiet. We cannot allow this to happen before our very eyes… join together and let’s stop this.

    Kevin McCarthy today:

    I don’t think anybody is questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election.

    I wonder what convinced him to change his mind?

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  36. 1. You’re not going to lose money betting on Stupid.
    Young Bull; ‘Hey old bull, let’s run down there and have sex with one of those cows.”
    Old Bull; ‘let’s walk and have sex with all of them’
    Time123 (f5cf77) — 5/12/2021 @ 1:22 pm

    LOL. Classic joke. You are probably right but the Democrats sure did make sure Bernie didn’t beat Hillary, changing rules and doing whatever it took to keep him away from running against Trump.

    Hoi Polloi (15cfac)

  37. What changed his mind. Never trumpers vowing to start third party It will be the rich mostly white establishment party funded by the wealthy and free trade multi-national corporations to sell out the american working class to immigration and sending our jobs out of the country with free trade. They will do to the republican party what the green party did to hillary clinton and would have done to joe biden if the democrats hadn’t kept them off the ballot in 2020 in az, ga, pa and wi. And frank luntz;s “room mate” knows this.

    asset (fc2931)

  38. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/12/2021 @ 12:27 pm

    That last bit — a set of principles that will attract rather than repel — is important. It can’t be the status quo ante either.

    Old things that probably detract: abortion, sexual traditions, open borders, libertarian trade.

    Old things to keep: National security, personal freedom and individual rights, low taxes, low spending, balanced budgets (someday)

    New things to add: federal devolution of power to the states (and gutting federal bloat), nuclear and solar power, rational environmentalism (e.g. cost-benefit rules), megacity mass transit, removing barriers to free enterprise, and reducing the power of public-employee unions.

    That’s not what’s needed in a third party, and it will lose. It could be a platform or some individual candidate maybe.

    A third party needs to be something that gives opportunities to ideas and people.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  39. A motto could be something like this:

    No Dogmatism (for real)
    No Dishonesty
    No Disgrace
    No Dictatorship

    Differences settled in primaries
    Dissenters welcome

    Distinctive people

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  40. Der Fuehrer had plenty of helping marching along side.

    1. Godwin. You lose.
    2. Don’t blame ME for who’s on the Fuhrer’s side.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  41. The point is to restore some level of integrity to politics, and to provide a place for ideas to be broached.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  42. repealing the National Labor Relations Act.

    How about overturning INS v Chadha

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  43. How about overturning INS v Chadha.

    I’m more interested in banning unions.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  44. The point is to restore some level of integrity to politics, and to provide a place for ideas to be broached.

    Diogenes never found what he was looking for. What makes you think “this time it will be different.”?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  45. AOC won;t be anywhere near the presidential ticket, not by 2024 anyway, and neither will Marjorie Taylor Greene.

    Trump/Stefanik 2024, maybe.

    She’d like that, but it’s unlikely.

    Shes’s aiming for House Majority Leader in a Republican controlled House.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  46. McCarthy’s staff hung up on Michael Fanone. During Police Week.

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  47. I’m more interested in banning unions.

    The single-House veto of regulations would do lots more, and is possible. Banning unions isn’t.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  48. What changed his mind. Never trumpers vowing to start third party

    Ah, so he’s not saying what he really believes. He just says what seems politically opportune at the moment.
    If saying “no one questions the legitimacy of the election” is what’s most helpful toward preventing the party from fracturing, you’d think a party leader would have been emphatic on the point from the start.

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  49. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/12/2021 @ 2:05 pm

    Diogenes never found what he was looking for. What makes you think “this time it will be different.”?

    Just looking for someone a few calibers higher.

    And Solomon did find.

    Ecclesiastes Chapter 7 verse 28:

    https://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt3107.htm

    כח אֲשֶׁר עוֹד-בִּקְשָׁה נַפְשִׁי, וְלֹא מָצָאתִי: אָדָם אֶחָד מֵאֶלֶף, מָצָאתִי–וְאִשָּׁה בְכָל-אֵלֶּה, לֹא מָצָאתִי. 28 which yet my soul sought, but I found not; one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.

    There’s the power imbalance. And also maybe he wasn’t looking in the right place – he was looking maybe mainly among his wives and their servants. And the percentage of mmen was maybe too low too: He was the king.

    Next verse:

    ט לְבַד רְאֵה-זֶה מָצָאתִי, אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה הָאֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאָדָם יָשָׁר; וְהֵמָּה בִקְשׁוּ, חִשְּׁבֹנוֹת רַבִּים. 29 Behold, this only have I found, that God made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

    The word “inventions” should maybe be better given as “calculations”

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  50. Yesterday, observers from my office discovered a WiFi router connected to the “audit” servers.

    There’s no way to ensure that ballot images, vote counts, & perhaps voter data weren’t connected to external networks or the internet.

    https://twitter.com/SecretaryHobbs/status/1392531067031101443

    Once again, an accusation has turned into a confession.

    Davethulhu (6ba00b)

  51. Liz Cheney is a bitter, horrible human being. I watched her yesterday and realized how bad she is for the Republican Party. She has no personality or anything good having to do with politics or our Country.

    Every accusation is a confession.

    Dave (1542be)

  52. Hah, beaten to the punch by 5 minutes!

    Dave (1542be)

  53. Just looking for someone a few calibers higher.

    We have lots of things to fix before we start involving honest men in our political system. Deer in the headlights.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  54. At least the Biden administration is laying down the law to Putin and the terrorist hackers he shelters!

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  55. 22. I think what Kevin means by “TRUMP is the cause of this. No one else.” is something analogous to
    “No Hitler. no World War II, and no Holocaust.”

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  56. “No Hitler. no World War II, and no Holocaust.”

    No, I mean that the Holocaust and WW2 were they way they were because of Hitler. Always blame management, even though some minions were involved. Maybe if it wasn’t Trump it would have been someone else, but it wasn’t. If Trump were to die today, things might not go back the way they were but they would change quickly.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  57. Shorter: Italian fascism ended when Mussolini was hanged.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  58. @.31. =eyeroll= She’s a neocon.

    ‘Nuff said. =mike-drop=.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  59. @40. Conservatives own responsibility for his creation, Kevin. You just lost control of the monster; he got loose from the gilded, towering dungeon on Fifth Avenue– and destroyed his creators.

    Reaganomics.
    Reaganoptics.
    Reaganaurics.

    No Reagan; no Trump.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  60. DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 5/12/2021 @ 2:55 pm

    No Reagan; no Trump.

    Maybe No
    Bob Grant, no Trump, but not Reagan.

    I mean, no Trump the way he was.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  61. Trump wanted to be George H W. Bush’s pick for vice president in 1988. He had no chances, but he did try. Then the scandals happened.

    Then, later, he wanted to be the next Perot, in 1999. But he saw it wouldn’t work.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  62. Juvenile responses from Cawthorn and MTG aside, I think Liz Cheney will be far more potent out of leadership, and that her cause was strengthened by her ouster. It makes most of the House GOP conference look comparatively foolish and petty.

    HCI (92ea66)

  63. Bye-bye, Daughter Darth. Now who is next…

    The election kerfuffle is mere noise; just an excuse to dump residual neocons; it could be anything. The ultimate objective at work is to neuter and box up the likes of Cheney and those clinging to Kinzinger’s modern ideological conservative movement. They are the Titanic passengers going down on that ship. Goldwater’s Birchers were used as tools to do the dirty work of sidetracking Rockefeller Republicans in 1964– then chased out themselves by Buckley-types who kept their skirts clean after the dirty work was done. Go back and revisit the nutty stuff those numbskulls embraced as they changed the balance of power in the party. That’s all this is in 2021; a 1964 redux.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  64. Mo Brooks played warm-up act on Insurrection Day to Trump’s incitement speech, saying, “today is the day American patriots start taking down names and kicking ass!” There were no recriminations against him.

    Liz Cheney spoke the truth about Trump’s lies and his real threat to our democracy. There were recriminations, not against Trump but against her.

    That, ladies and gentlemen, is why the GOP, my party, does not deserve to return to power, definitely not in 2022 and probably not in 2024.

    Paul Montagu (26e0d1)

  65. HCI (92ea66) — 5/12/2021 @ 3:15 pm

    I think Liz Cheney will be far more potent out of leadership, and that her cause was strengthened by her ouster.

    Well, I think she thinks so.

    She effectively declared her main goal in politics as keeping Donald Trump as far away from the White House as possible. She;s not angry at the caucus – that’s what the caucus is.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  66. Ideological conservatism is far from dead…Republicans remain firmly committed to low taxes, federalism, originalist jurists, a strong national defense, robust capitalism, de-regulation, and border enforcement….the party is just drifting with regards to spending, tolerance of buffoonery, fidelity to the law, and ethical propriety. I mean this is a SERIOUS drift…that handcuffs progress on a lot of the other things….but it hasn’t turned everyone into sandal-wearing populists who don’t want smaller government. If Trump had drifted progressive enough (think massive infrastructure bill or child care benefit)….everything (his support) would have crumbled. He had to be firm on the border, taxes, judges, and energy….to be given the latitude to dally on trade. Don’t get me wrong….the GOP is in an existential mess….fooled into believing Trump’s schtick is electoral (and fundraising) magic….so it’s broke…bad broke….But the base is still fundamentally conservative…it’s just infatuated with Trump. So stop with the nonsense….

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  67. I’ve updated the post with video of a formidable and undeterred Cheney doubling down on her mission to restore the GOP.

    Dana (fd537d)

  68. Well she’s got guts. You’ve gotta give her that.

    Nic (896fdf)

  69. She sure does. She truly shames those weenies in the house that have pledged fealty to Trump.

    Dana (fd537d)

  70. @68.Well she’s got guts. You’ve gotta give her that.

    “Into the valley of death rode the 600…”

    Well, maybe in this matter, just 100, metaphorically speaking.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  71. She truly shames those weenies in the house that have pledged fealty to Trump.

    Pedigree matters.

    nk (1d9030)

  72. 66.Ideological conservatism is far from dead…

    It’s worse than dead, AJ; it’s irrelevant.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  73. @71. Pedigree matters.

    As in chickenhawk.

    But “weenies?!” They’re right at home in the GOP:

    “Pork. The Other White Meat.” – National Pork Board, 1987[BJK&E Advertising] 1987

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  74. Ideological conservatism is far from dead…

    It never is. It just finds a different set of traditions to be conservative about, just as progressives continually find applecarts to upset.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  75. applecarts to upset.

    Like… Reaganomics. 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  76. ‘some minions were involved’

    ROFLMAO; sum total of “some”–

    ‘A total of about 13.6 million soldiers served in the German Army in WW2. Army personnel were made up of volunteers and conscripts. Germany had a grand total of 22,000,000 in some form of service out of a population of 69,850,000.’ – history.net.sauerkrautundknochwurst.belch

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  77. If Trump drops dead….the GOP isn’t looking for Pat Buchanan. Reagan still has cache. You’re confusing what’s in your head for reality.

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  78. 78. If Trump drops dead….the GOP isn’t looking for Pat Buchanan.

    Actually, they– the 74 million voters who matter- are. Ask Daughter Darth. The populist pattern is there since ’90- brought on by repeatedly suckering, seducing and abandoning these voters over and over… and they’ve had it– your worry is that number has kept growing.

    Reagan still has cache.

    No. He doesn’t– only to the irrelevant. If you’re a 50 year old middle aged voter today you were 9 or 10 when he was first elected over 40 years ago -and all of 18 years old when he left office over 32 years ago. And at 50 today, you’re still swimming through the flotsam of the Reagan wreckage to survive. Creditor to debtor nation, ‘voodoo economics’ and all that. Recall any plethoric, nostalgic cries by Dems for ‘FDR’ in 1977??? Nope.

    Actually it is youwho clings to a ‘what’s in your head’ “hope” that denies reality. Your party has swopped ends on you in 2021; just as it did to ‘Rockefeller Republicans’ in 1964. It is long overdue- and glorious. The modern ideological conservative movement collapsed quickly, too. It was hollowed out long ago. You are in a shrinking minority now. Stay and follow the change– or leave and try to start your own party. There are fewer of you than your media echo chamber has made you believe.

    Regardless, ‘denial’ is a river that runs through the Egyptian desert. You may be out in it for a long time- so buy that compass. Otherwise, the reality is your particular tail no longer wags the big dog.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  79. Populism is flypaper for simpletons.

    norcal (01e272)

  80. The infested republican party will shuffle the deck chairs and give us another rodent.

    mg (8cbc69)

  81. She will be toxic to any republican running for office. Her best bet is to help the media elect democrats.

    mg (8cbc69)

  82. @82 You spelled “Trump” wrong.

    norcal (01e272)

  83. its flypaper for “simps” as well.

    urbanleftbehind (2641dd)

  84. Seth Myers goes DCSCasset.

    urbanleftbehind (2641dd)

  85. I get whiplash trying to square DSCSA telling me that Reagan is simultaneously irrelevant….but curiously relevant enough to feature prominently in most of his commentary. How’s that for living rent-free in someone’s head?!

    Reagan too is uniquely terrible because he made us a debtor nation by adding $1.9T of debt…..but Obama adding $8.6T…or Trump adding $6.7T….I guess Reagan made them do it….or it must be that “good debt”….that may not end 50-year Cold Wars….but…you know….is somehow just different. Biden’s biggest sin….not spending quick enough. Glorious.

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  86. I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate for a moment and say that there was no way that Liz Cheney could have kept her post, and she should have stepped down earlier.

    Her role was to chair the Republican Caucus. In that role she required the respect of the GOP members, and she had lost that when they all went crazy. The GOP members had a right to choose who governed them, and she no longer had their consent.

    She should have stepped down, much as Mattias stepped down as Trump’s SecDef, when this became clear. Trying to hang onto control of a caucus that no longer trusted her to further their interests — as they saw them — was not an act of principle. She could have made all the same points while stepping down that she made while being ousted. Anything she hoped to gain by the process was mooted by the voice vote.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  87. Populism is flypaper for simpletons.

    Oh, hardly. It is a stick up the ass of self-satisfied mandarins who have forgotten who they work for, and a sharp stick at that. It is not, however, organized or with any particular message other than “We are mad as Hell and we won’t take it any more!”

    Torches and pitchforks. The real message is that people who would much rather be doing something else are getting involved in politics because the people who they trusted with the job have been doing it so poorly that they had to take action.

    Any system that seeks to prevent or suppress populist movements (e.g. the EU) isn’t democratic.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  88. Off-topic: Russian hackers get $5 million to provide decrypt tool to pipeline. My question is this: should the US use national security assets to kill these people as we would had they been normal terrorists?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  89. Austin Power’s beta noire Dr. Evil would have held out for more $…makes me think it was a GND dry run or a weird way of punishing North Carolina for not going the way of Georgia last fall.

    urbanleftbehind (29f45e)

  90. Russian hackers get $5 million to provide decrypt tool to pipeline. My question is this: should the US use national security assets to kill these people as we would had they been normal terrorists?

    No. We should farm out the job to Mossad who are far more adept and likely to carry it out competently.

    nk (1d9030)

  91. Austin Power’s beta noire Dr. Evil would have held out for more $

    It was a crappy decrypt tool, running so slowly that they decided to restore from backups anyway.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  92. 80. Populism is flypaper for simpletons.

    Let them eat cake, eh.

    Never wise to diss the 74-plus million you’re trying to woo to your point of view.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  93. Another question: Had this been the other way around — US hackers compromising a Russian pipeline — the Russians would have been beside themselves demanding we put a stop to this extortion, and we would at least have tried.

    Why aren’t we turning the screws on Putin here? Does Biden owe him or something?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  94. @86.I get whiplash trying to square DSCSA telling me that Reagan is simultaneously irrelevant….but curiously relevant enough to feature prominently in most of his commentary.

    You can’t win the battle unless you understand the lay of the land. Hence, you’re lost to the desert.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  95. Russian hackers get $5 million to provide decrypt tool to pipeline…..

    Colonial got off cheap. Plus it is deductible as a business expense.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  96. @43

    How about overturning INS v Chadha.

    I’m more interested in banning unions.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/12/2021 @ 2:03 pm

    All unions?

    Or just the public sector ones?

    whembly (63cfde)

  97. What about domestic unions?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  98. AJ_Liberty wrote I get whiplash trying to square DSCSA telling me that Reagan is simultaneously irrelevant

    I think DSCSA’s comments should usually be understood as a type of performance art.

    Time123 (ca85c9)

  99. Kevin, I forget where I read this but “People forget that Unions were the moderates alternative to dragging the bosses from their beds and beating them to death in their front yards.”

    Time123 (ca85c9)

  100. 87. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/13/2021 @ 8:42 am

    Her role was to chair the Republican Caucus. In that role she required the respect of the GOP members, and she had lost that when they all went crazy. The GOP members had a right to choose who governed them, and she no longer had their consent.

    I think she said that herself.

    She should have stepped down,

    But she wanted to be voted out. Not so much that she would ask for a roll call vote, or maybe there wasn’t the minimum to ask for it.

    I think she wanted to be voted out because she thought that would strengthen her criticism, or to get more attention.

    She was involved in the letter signed by 10 former Secretaries of Defense, including her father, that warned members of the U.S. military that they could be prosecuted for following illegal orders or something like that – or so an article in the New Yorker claimed.

    Fact check by Snopes: Undecided.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/liz-cheney-defense-op-ed

    Anything she hoped to gain by the process was mooted by the voice vote.

    I think she didn’t want to hurt her friends by having them cast a vote supporting her.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  101. The New Yorker claimed she was responsible for that letter/WP Op ed.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  102. @97-

    @43
    How about overturning INS v Chadha.
    I’m more interested in banning unions.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/12/2021 @ 2:03 pm

    All unions?

    Or just the public sector ones?

    All. Unions drive up costs (particularly on public construction contracts) when businesses are required to hire only union members or pay union wages. Strikes disrupt the economy and punish society.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  103. All. Unions drive up costs (particularly on public construction contracts) when businesses are required to hire only union members or pay union wages. Strikes disrupt the economy and punish society.

    There is the problem. There is no reason to believe that getting rid of unions would change the behavior of government.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  104. @99. …a type of performance art

    Reaganoptics. 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)


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