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4/1/2021

President Biden: Would Support Moving MLB All-Star Game Out Of Georgia Because Of “Jim Crow On Steroids” Law (UPDATE ADDED)

Filed under: General — Dana @ 2:01 pm



[guest post by Dana]

When the Georgia voting law was passed, President Biden called it “Jim Crow in the 21st century”. He also inaccurately described a portion of the law, for which he received four Pinocchios from the Washington Post fact-checker. To date, he has not yet corrected his false claims. Yesterday, the President said in an interview with ESPN that he would support MLB if they moved the All-Star Game out of Georgia because of the new law:

President Joe Biden on Wednesday said he would “strongly support” moving the MLB All-Star game out of Georgia, citing the state’s controversial new voting law that includes a provision banning volunteers from delivering food or drinks to voters in line.

“I think today’s professional athletes are acting incredibly responsibly,” Biden said to ESPN’s Sage Steele during an interview. “I would strongly support them doing that. People look to them. They’re leaders.”

The All-Star Game is set to occur on July 13 at the Atlanta Braves’ Truist Park.

Biden was critical of the divisive Georgia voting law, which was signed by Republican Gov. Brian Kemp in late March, during the interview with ESPN.

“Look at what’s happened across the board. The very people who are victimized the most are the people who are the leaders in these various sports, and it’s just not right,” Biden said. “This is Jim Crow on steroids, what they’re doing in Georgia and 40 other states.”

Gov. Kemp responded to the President’s criticism:

Kemp has pushed back against the president’s criticism of the law, stating there is “nothing ‘Jim Crow'” about it.

“It is obvious that neither President Biden nor his handlers have actually read SB 202,” Kemp said. “As Governor, I won’t back down from keep Georgia elections secure, accessible, and fair.”

President Biden’s hyperbole-on-steroids isn’t helpful, but I suspect he is solidifying that from here on in, this will be the Democratic Party’s company line. And on cue, Stacey Abrams released a video referring to the new law as “Jim Crow 2.0″. However, she explains why the state should not be boycotted by corporations and other entities, believing that ultimately it will end up hurting marginalized groups. Taking a stand against a Georgia boycott is a noticeable break from President Biden position on the issue:

A number of companies have released statements criticizing the new law. This includes Delta and Coca-Cola, which are headquartered in Atlanta.

Exit question for President Biden:

UPDATE: MLB caved. They are pulling the All-Star game out of Georgia:

–Dana

110 Responses to “President Biden: Would Support Moving MLB All-Star Game Out Of Georgia Because Of “Jim Crow On Steroids” Law (UPDATE ADDED)”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (fd537d)

  2. And on cue, Stacey Abrams released a video about “Jim Crow 2.0″ in which she explained why the state should no be boycotted by corporations and other entities because she believes that ultimately it will end up hurting marginalized groups.

    There were many anti-apartheid activists in South Africa in the 70s and 80s who believed that boycotts by North American and European countries had an adverse effect on the lives of ordinary South Africans, especially black ones. I remember hearing that Pepsi, for one, defied the National Party by hiring blacks in management positions in South Africa, so when U.S. campus activists and Hollywood dopes mindlessly bullied PepsiCo. into divesting from South Africa in the mid-80s, all they really accomplished was to eliminate well-paying jobs that were going to marginalized South Africans. Now 35 years later, Pepsi is still struggling to regain the market share they lost to Coke, who had refused to knuckle-under to activists’ demands.

    I’m just thinking about how many workers at Braves Stadium — from parking-lot attendants to ticket-takers to security to concessions to field maintenance and so on — will lose a few days of wages if the All-Star games moves out and whether any particular race among those workers will be disproportionately affected.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  3. Just another “bad” bulletpoint in the left’s mind about the Braves franchise:

    A more conservative ownership than the old Ted Turner Bill Bartholomay group.

    Chief Noc-A-Homa

    First MLB franchise to move to the suburbs from the city proper in the post 1992 Camden Yards retro ballpark era (a Karnak answer to JVWs question) to be closer to their season ticket base (Cobb County).

    I kinda like Noc a Homa and am far more creeped out by the Braves wearing the red alternate jersey (which calls to mind the Red Shirt rifle clubs that worked to scuttle Reconstruction and suppress black voting in the latter quarter of the 19th century).

    urbanleftbehind (08db65)

  4. Biden, like all politicians, takes the easy road. It’s easy to lambast his political opponents and punish a city in a red state (although many of the stadium employees who will miss out on the All-Star game work live in a blue city and probably vote Democrat, but oh well…).

    It’s quite the other to punish China.

    After all, his family has made millions of his friends in Beijing.

    Hoi Polloi (b28058)

  5. Interestingly, this also shows why it is unwise for corporations to seek favorable tax breaks from government, making them subject to political blackmail and retaliation:

    Georgia House threatens Delta tax break after CEO slammed new voting restrictions

    Georgia’s Republican-controlled House on Wednesday voted to revoke a major tax break for Delta Air Lines as punishment for its CEO’s public criticism of the state’s controversial new law clamping down on ballot access.

    The state Senate did not take up the measure before lawmakers adjourned for the year, rendering it dead for this year — but the threat underscores the potential political backlash corporations could face for opposing efforts to restrict voting.
    …….
    Wednesday’s action by the Georgia House, on the final day of the state’s legislative session, sought to revoke the company’s jet-fuel tax break and came amid an intense faceoff between Delta’s CEO Ed Bastian and Georgia’s Republican political leadership.
    …….
    …….Georgia Republicans had made clear their displeasure with Bastian and other corporate leaders who had criticized the election overhaul.

    “They like our public policy when we’re doing things that benefit them,” Georgia’s Republican House Speaker David Ralston said, according to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “You don’t feed a dog that bites your hand.”
    ……..
    What the government giveth, the government can taketh it away…….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  6. but we shouldn’t pull the olympics out of china, eh joe?

    JF (6fcdbe)

  7. Liar liar pants on fire. For a Democrat to call these mild reforms “Jim Crow” is the height of chutzpah. It’s like Kurt Waldheim calling selling bacon on Saturday “just like Nazi Germany”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  8. The point of this exercise is to cast any Democrat loss in GA as illegitimate. He is doing EXACTLY what Trump did leading up to the 2020 election: “Heads I win, tails I should have won.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  9. By the way, I have not heard a single example of how this new law will “restrict voting.” Find me a person with standing to sue. There are none, as no one can point to a harm they will suffer. It was different with the actual Jim Crow.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  10. but we shouldn’t pull the olympics out of china, eh joe?

    JF (6fcdbe) — 4/1/2021 @ 3:07 pm

    Not certain what authority Biden has to pull the Olympics out of China, but he certainly should pull the US team out, because it was so effective against the Soviets in 1980.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  11. Joe Biden served with people like Eastland, McClellan, Fulbright, Sparkman, Talmadge, Thurmond, Stennis, Long, Symington, Ervin, and Robert Byrd — all of whom voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    How come he was willing to work with these Democrats? Where was his objection to Jim Crow then?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  12. After all, his family has made millions of [sic] his friends in Beijing.

    No they haven’t.

    Dave (1bb933)

  13. No they haven’t.
    Dave (1bb933) — 4/1/2021 @ 4:14 pm

    Hunter did all of this for free, out of the goodness of his heart?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-we-know-about-hunter-bidens-dealings-in-china-11570181403

    A 10% stake in a 2.5 billion fund is a lot of money…

    Hoi Polloi (b28058)

  14. Biden probably thinks Ty Cobb is still playing.

    Hoi Polloi (b28058)

  15. After all, his family has made millions of [sic] his friends in Beijing.

    That would be the Trump-Kushner crime family. Many, many millions.

    nk (1d9030)

  16. Georgia wants you to play ball but not vote. right!

    asset (5cbb47)

  17. How come he was willing to work with these Democrats?

    John Tower and Strom Thurmond voted against both the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Does that make every Republican who served with them (including Reagan) a hypocrite?

    Where was his objection to Jim Crow then?

    De jure Jim Crow was a dead letter by the time Biden got to the senate in 1973.

    During his first term, in 1976, he said, in a committee meeting:

    I’m going to say it another way I think you would agree – discrimination I’m going to say it another way I think you would agree – discrimination has become very, very sophisticated. It’s not much in vogue to be a George Wallace of the 1950’s and say we don’t like no n*ggers. You don’t say that kind of thing any more. We say we care about our black brother and we’re very concerned, while we’re doing in a surreptitious way the same thing we did when we came flat out the other way and used discriminatory language. Discrimination is harder to ferret out today, in my opinion than it ever was before because those that are in fact prejudiced have become extremely sophisticated in the way in which they can avoid the law. So that makes your job more difficult.

    So there’s his opposition to Jim Crow then.

    Dave (1bb933)

  18. He resigned from the board a few weeks after that WSJ article, and received no return on that stake.
    Dave (1bb933) — 4/1/2021 @ 4:58 pm

    Your source seems to say yes, Hunter has made a considerable amount on money in his dealing with China. Thank you for that. What your source said was that nothing in Hunter’s vast dealings with China tarnished Joe. Which is fine since I did not say it did. I just said members of the Biden family have made millions in dealing with China, which they have.

    It’s safe to say we won’t know the extent of Hunter’s dealings with China until the federal investigation of his taxes is complete:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/15/fact-check-hunter-biden-under-federal-investigation-over-taxes/3907142001/

    Until then, I’m not holding my breath that Joe Biden, who seemed content to explain away China’s genocide of the Uighurs as “Culturally, there are different norms that each country and their leaders are expected to follow.”

    He then said China would face consequences for their actions, but hasn’t seemed to do much. Surely there are more important fish to fry, like moving the All Star Game out of Georgia. Perfect thing for the POTUS to lobby. Foreign policy? That’s more Rob Manfred’s lane…

    Hoi Polloi (b28058)

  19. @18 It shouldn’t take a WSJ article to engender his resignation from the board.

    norcal (01e272)

  20. Dave’s quote of Biden’s eloquent and accurate comments in the 1970s are amazing compared to how he speaks today. I don’t mean the age issue. I mean the sense. His comments about Jim Crow 2.0 are ridiculous, divisive, bitter, frankly wounding the nation that is already sick. It’s just partisan politics setting up cynical election issues.

    Joe Biden is not a good president. He will probably wind up being a very significant one though.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  21. I agree, Dustin. Biden is a trademark political hack. And, he’s a refreshing change from Trump. My, how far we descended.

    norcal (01e272)

  22. I agree also. It’s an insult to blacks who lived through those times, and to all Americans. Someone needs to tell him to stop.

    JRH (52aed3)

  23. It shouldn’t take a WSJ article to engender his resignation from the board.

    Why?

    There was nothing illegal in the slightest about what he was doing.

    For sure, it opened his dad to dishonest political attacks.

    I’m amazed at the implication that if your relative decides to run for office, it becomes incumbent on you – regardless of the cost – to terminate your career and any investments you may have.

    The right way to deal with Hunter’s situation is with full transparency.

    Dave (1bb933)

  24. His comments about Jim Crow 2.0 are ridiculous, divisive, bitter, frankly wounding the nation that is already sick.

    I think the other way to see it is he is keeping faith with his base and making their views unmistakably clear. Standing up for a minority targeted by bullies is unifying. It’s the people who used Trump’s Big Lie as an excuse to pass this repulsive legislation who deserve your scorn.

    Look, the GA Trumpists may be stupid, but they understand perfectly well what they’re trying to do here. And in dozens other states with similar or even worse bills being debated. This is a national wave of voter suppression going on.

    Biden has turned up the volume not only to hold GA accountable, but to move the needle in states where the outcome is still being decided.

    Dave (1bb933)

  25. There was nothing illegal in the slightest about what he was doing.

    Then he should have stood his ground. As for his career, I’m not aware of any qualifications Hunter had to sit on Burisma’s board or a Chinese company’s board, other than who his daddy was. It’s fishier than Pike Place Market.

    Also, “legal” doesn’t equal “ethical”, or even “moral”.

    norcal (01e272)

  26. As for his career, I’m not aware of any qualifications Hunter had to sit on Burisma’s board or a Chinese company’s board, other than who his daddy was.

    The fact that you’re not aware doesn’t mean he didn’t have any.

    Also, “legal” doesn’t equal “ethical”, or even “moral”.

    We’ll see what happens in regard to his tax investigation, but apart from that, there’s been no suggestion he misled, misrepresented, defrauded or stole from anybody in his business dealings.

    It seems your objection boils down to: he was the son of a democratic politician, so he should have refused to engage in any activity with might have enriched him.

    They found what were claimed to be years of his emails, communications and other documents from around this time, and yet they couldn’t produce even a single shred of evidence suggesting he discussed his work with his father. Not one!

    Dave (1bb933)

  27. I’m betting Russia takes over more disputed enclaves. China and India continue to blow coal smoke into the air apace, and China becomes even more belligerent in the South China Sea. And the Norks will continue shooting off rockets like antifa does fireworks. Iran and the Saudis will continue to engage and inflate new proxy brushfire wars. Iran will double down of the Bomb and Israel will hit it with help from the Saudis.
    Sec. State Blynken will be answering to “Neville” within the term.
    We knew what we were voting for and did it anyway.

    I’m also betting that Biden tells Trump to hold his beer and spends at least 15 trillion of debt in 4 years

    steveg (02d731)

  28. Oh for God’s sake wake up and smell the compost heap that is President Plagiarist’s record.

    He’s a racist.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  29. yet they couldn’t produce even a single shred of evidence suggesting he discussed his work with his father. Not one!

    Neanderthal thinking.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  30. @22. You had an alternative; but hate ruled the day so bought him; you own him.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  31. @31 False dichotomy. I voted for neither Biden nor Trump.

    norcal (01e272)

  32. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-history-of-controversial-racial-comments

    Eat some ‘Crow,’ Joe; MLB integrated in 1947 w/Jackie Robinson.

    President Plagiarist is a Phillies fan. They held out for decade and did not integrate until 1957.

    Go ahead, “…say it ain’t so, Joe!”

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  33. @32. Throwing away your vote does not mean you did not have an alternative.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  34. @2. Sad thing is, look at the ratings and viewership decline– who the hell cares but some old Joe missing the nostalgic joy of adjusting his rabbit ears.

    Baseball All-Star TV Ratings since Joe was in Congress:

    Year Net———Households-Viewers
    1973 NBC 23.8 45 15,420,000 27,600,000
    1974 NBC 23.4 44 15,490,000 Not Available
    1975 NBC 21.5 41 14,730,000 28,170,000
    1976 ABC 27.1 53 18,680,000 36,330,000
    1977 NBC 24.5 45 17,440,000 31,000,000
    1978 ABC 26.1 47 19,030,000 35,529,000
    1979 NBC 24.4 45 18,180,000 31,980,000
    1980 ABC 26.8 46 20,450,000 36,270,000
    1981 NBC 20.1 36 15,640,000 Not Available
    1982 ABC 25.0 44 20,380,000 34,120,000
    1983 NBC 21.5 39 17,910,000 27,190,000
    1984 ABC 20.1 35 16,840,000 28,500,000
    1985 NBC 20.5 36 17,400,000 28,210,000
    1986 ABC 20.3 35 17,440,000 28,375,000
    1987 NBC 18.2 37 15,910,000 24,295,000
    1988 ABC 20.4 33 18,070,000 29,526,000
    1989 NBC 18.2 33 16,450,000 25,840,000
    1990 CBS 16.2 33 14,940,000 24,365,000
    1991 CBS 17.4 32 16,200,000 24,670,000
    1992 CBS 14.9 27 13,720,000 21,981,000
    1993 CBS 15.6 28 14,550,000 22,306,000
    1994 NBC 15.7 28 14,790,000 22,015,000
    1995 ABC 13.9 25 13,260,000 20,163,000
    1996 NBC 13.2 23 12,690,000 18,479,000
    1997 FOX 11.8 21 11,420,000 16,723,000
    1998 NBC 13.3 25 13,026,000 18,970,000
    1999 FOX 12.0 22 11,890,000 17,640,000
    2000 NBC 10.1 18 10,167,000 14,714,000
    2001 FOX 11.0 19 11,198,000 16,029,000
    2002 FOX 9.5 17 10,046,000 14,653,000
    2003 FOX 9.5 17 10,156,000 13,810,000
    2004 FOX 8.8 15 9,573,000 13,995,000
    2005 FOX 8.1 14 8,884,000 12,330,000
    2006 FOX 9.3 16 10,301,000 14,424,000
    2007 FOX 8.4 15 9,343,000 12,530,000
    2008 FOX 9.3 16 10,441,000 14,540,000
    2009 FOX 8.9 15 10,754,230 14,610,000
    2010 FOX 7.5 13 8,692,500 12,100,000
    2011 FOX 6.9 12 7,712,000 11,000,000
    2012 FOX 6.8 12 6,743,724 10,900,000
    2013 FOX 6.9 12 7,511,000 11,000,000
    2014 FOX 7.0 13 10,123,000 11,340,000
    2015 FOX 6.6 12 9,127,000 10,900,000
    2016 FOX 5.4 10 5,981,000 8,707,000
    2017 FOX 5.5 11 7,312,000 9,280,000
    2018 FOX 5.2 9 6,440,000 8,690,000
    2019 FOX 5.0 11 5,930,000 8,140,000
    2020 FOX — — — —

    -source, https://www.baseball-almanac.com/asgbox/asgtv.shtml

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  35. Biden’s a liar and a bigot that’s trying to stoke a civil war because he thinks it’ll keep non-whites in the leftist stable and make them hate people based on the color of their skin.

    That’s on the days he’s coherent at least.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  36. John Tower and Strom Thurmond voted against both the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Does that make every Republican who served with them (including Reagan) a hypocrite?

    Thurmond was a De3mocrat at the time. And they DID throw Tower to the curb eventually. But, sure, use Thurmond, the Democrat fig leaf for Jim Crow, as opposed to that old country lawyer, Sam Ervin, or John Stennis who they named an aircraft carrier for.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  37. De jure Jim Crow was a dead letter by the time Biden got to the senate in 1973.

    But he had no problem working with a dozen Jim Crow Democrats. His morality is highly conditional.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  38. Joe Biden is not a good president. He will probably wind up being a very significant one though.

    I think I could say the exact same thing about Donald Trump.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  39. It’s kind of funny how the Democrats and their apologists always trot out Thurmond’s switch to the GOP and forget about all the hateful things Democrats said and did from 1789 to 1960 and beyond. SHould check out what Jimmy Carter was willing to do to become governor of GA.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  40. Republicans are playing with fire with vote suppression. President biden and the dnc corporate democrats in congress are trying to run interference for the corporate state and just whine about the evil republicans vote suppression. But black voters in the south pulled joe biden over the finish line for the nomination. Leftists bernie/AOC supporters are half the democratic party and if joined by angry black democrats demanding black people be able to vote at bayonet point if necessary by sending in the troops. Thats 75% of the democrat party. Pelosi has a 5 seat majority and their are enough left democrats to force her to support military action to stop voter suppression. That leaves biden out on an island with the corporate establishment. AOC will be demanding leading the tanks into georgia!

    asset (a181af)

  41. By the way, I have not heard a single example of how this new law will “restrict voting.” Find me a person with standing to sue. There are none, as no one can point to a harm they will suffer. It was different with the actual Jim Crow.

    The bill ends mobile voting vans, previously used only in Fulton County.

    It puts early election boxes inside polling places, instead of other convenient locations, and limits the hours, making the boxes much less useful. Moreover, the drop boxes will not be available to voters in the last four days of an election, when it’s too late to mail them in time.

    Those wishing to vote absentee must now submit a driver’s license number or other documentation. People without a driver’s license or state ID must submit additional proof of their identity.

    And it makes standing in line long hours more difficult and more tense, as people look around to see how rigorously the Georgia police, last seen arresting a black legislator for knocking on the governor’s door, will enforce the 25 foot rule.

    You could claim that in each instance a voter could figure out how to deal with the restrictions, and thus doesn’t have standing. But of course the goal is to make voting more difficult (I am sorry, you don’t like that formulation – let’s say “less easy”) not impossible.

    And of course this doesn’t even touch the major part of the bill, which puts a partisan Republican legislature in direct control of local election boards.

    As for Jim Crow. Well when it came to voting JC was a lot of things that were neutral on their face, e.g. poll taxes, literacy requirements and gerrymandering, but imposed selectively purely to ensure that black people did not gain power.

    The thing about the Georgia bill is that it has no real purpose (there are no significant problems being solved – “election integrity” is a chimera of the frightened paranoid Republican mind) other than to tilt elections against Democrats. Who in Georgia are substantially black.

    So no, Biden using some hyperbole isn’t such a terrible thing (I seem to recall we were supposed to take politicians seriously, not literally). He’s signaling that at this point in American history, purposely rigging elections laws, particularly when the target is black people, is wrong.

    Victor (4959fb)

  42. Victor,

    I think the activists planned their protests and complaints over an earlier version of the bill, which was a disgrace. The real mischief in this one is throwing the state legislature into the mix, and allowing the state to toss out local vote counters. This isn’t really voter suppression in the classic sense. It’s allowing the state leg to steal the election for Trump in 2024.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  43. Those wishing to vote absentee must now submit a driver’s license number or other documentation. People without a driver’s license or state ID must submit additional proof of their identity.

    You mean show an ID to vote? The horrors. Tell me again how Democrats are pushing everyone to carry around IDs showing they have been vaccinated.

    And it makes standing in line long hours more difficult and more tense, as people look around to see how rigorously the Georgia police, last seen arresting a black legislator for knocking on the governor’s door, will enforce the 25 foot rule.

    Assuming facts not in evidence. Stop trying to get in the minds of everyone else.

    There is nothing wrong with asking people to provide IDs to vote. If you think that is too onerous, especially when states offer free IDs to even non-drivers, then you might want to start railing against the federal government, which requires IDs for all sorts of government programs and benefits.

    Hoi Polloi (b28058)

  44. Mr M wrote:

    Joe Biden served with people like Eastland, McClellan, Fulbright, Sparkman, Talmadge, Thurmond, Stennis, Long, Symington, Ervin, and Robert Byrd — all of whom voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    How come he was willing to work with these Democrats? Where was his objection to Jim Crow then?

    Senator Biden was very much a 20th century Delaware Democrat.

    The good people of New Castle County, where Mr Biden makes his home, waxed wroth against a federal judge’s desegregation order, and virtually destroyed the public school system. The city of Wilmington is heavily black, while the surrounding county was mostly white; the new public school arrangement sliced NCCo into pie shaped districts, all with city neighborhoods in them, to bus kids around to integrate the schools.

    It didn’t take long: NCCo became home to dozens of new private schools, and at one point had the highest rate of private school attendance of any county in the United States. Mr Biden went right along with that, even though his kids were already destined for Archmere Academy, the non-diocesan Catholic school from which he was graduated.

    Were I able to change my ‘handle’ with every comment, as I used to be able to do, this one would be from “The Dana who used to live in Delaware”. By the time we got there, anybody who could in the least afford it sent their kids to private school. Our daughters attended the (now gone) Corpus Christi School in Edgemere.

    The Dana in Kentucky (88b836)

  45. I think I could say the exact same thing about Donald Trump.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/1/2021 @ 11:08 pm

    Hell yeah.

    @22. You had an alternative; but hate ruled the day so bought him; you own him.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/1/2021 @ 9:43 pm

    Ridiculous. But I get it. You’re ashamed of foisting Trump and the corruption and failure that meant for a nation that is now in decline.

    There’s only one reason Biden crushed Trump.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  46. moving the MLB All-Star game out of Georgia

    Imagine being a Democrat in a state that voted for Biden and watch your president want to punish you for the actions of the government.

    BillPasadena (5b0401)

  47. 6. JF (6fcdbe) — 4/1/2021 @ 3:07 pm

    but we shouldn’t pull the olympics out of china, eh joe?

    No, he just wants to be free to say bad things about the Chineese government. Well, some bad things. Hong Kong, Xinjiang (Sinkiang) maybe the South China sea and support for the governments of Iran and Burma. But conspicuously missing from the list of complaints about China is hiding the truth about the origins of the coronavirus, although that is the official position of the U.S. government.

    But mention this in any high level conversation as an issue between the U.S. and China? No, because the assessment is they won’t give in. Now what does it mean that China won’t give in on this? That means the truth has to be very uncomplimentary to China, or why should China not give in on this thing?)

    And they really believe it probably did escape from a lab.

    They just have the wrong lab in mind. China has at least succeeded in fooling people about that. It was probably unsupervised “gain of function” research that was closed down at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and moved to the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention to escape supervision from the usual people.

    The second location is about 300 yards from the seafood market – seafood market remember that – that was initially blamed. No one would have picked a seafood market as a scapegoat unless it was very close to the origin of the outbreak. (The WIV is more than 8 miles away)

    Sammy Finkelman (6975b4)

  48. BillP

    Call me a reluctant…extremely reluctant…Democrat who lives in Georgia.

    This is the first thing Biden has done as President that really ticked me off. We dealt with some of this when the State Leg passed the “heartbeat bill” which riles up the Planned Parenthood lobby. But at that time (and now again), Stacey Abrams — who has attained sainthood status among the Woke — has noted (properly) that the people who get hurt by boycotts are the disadvantaged people she is trying to help.

    I wonder if Biden actually knows what the Georgia bill does, or whether he still has the earlier ghastly versions on his head.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  49. Not only is this not Jim Crow, but done because of politics, which is not the same, the state legislature of Georgia actually passed a very anti-Jim Crow law.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/31/us/georgia-citizens-arrest-law.html

    March 31, 2021
    ATLANTA — Georgia lawmakers on Wednesday approved a bill gutting a Civil War-era law that allowed residents to arrest one another, a move championed by critics who said such laws have historically been used by white citizens to justify the killing of African-Americans.

    The near unanimous support for the bill in both chambers of the State Legislature marks an important moment for Georgia, whose Republican governor, Brian Kemp, fully supported the bill and is almost certain to sign it into law, as he did last June with new hate crimes legislation. Both measures were inspired by the killing last year of Ahmaud Arbery, a Black man who was chased and then gunned down by three white men in a coastal Georgia neighborhood….

    Business owners can still detain people for stealing from them, and security guards and licensed private detectives (?!) still have that right too.

    Sammy Finkelman (6975b4)

  50. 50. Appalled (1a17de) — 4/2/2021 @ 7:51 am

    Stacey Abrams — who has attained sainthood status among the Woke — has noted (properly) that the people who get hurt by boycotts are the disadvantaged people she is trying to help.

    I think maybe more correct would be:

    Stacey Abrams…has noted (properly) that the people who get hurt by boycotts are the disadvantaged people she is trying to get votes from or that her volunteers care about.

    I think she also doesn’t want to scare people into thinking they have actually been deprived of the right to vote. That idea is said to have hurt Donald Trump and the two Georgia Senators.

    By the way, I don’t like this idea at all of boycotting states over legislation.

    AS for Joe Biden, so long as there are people in the Democratic Party urging a boycott of Georgia, he’ll be for that too. It’s not a presidential power, so it seems like something harmless he can do to satisfy the “woke” people without losing other support.

    Sammy Finkelman (6975b4)

  51. 42.

    Those wishing to vote absentee must now submit a driver’s license number or other documentation. People without a driver’s license or state ID must submit additional proof of their identity.

    And how does substituting a DMV number for a signature prevent organized fraud? Someone might have access to that data. It does, however, make it easier to make mistakes.

    But of course the goal is to make voting more difficult…not impossible.

    Functioning a little like a literacy or education test.

    Except, wait a second, highly educated people defected from the Donald Trump in the last election and he gained votes among the more poorly educated. They didn’t defect from the rest of the Republican Party, but the Republican Party has now many people in it not committed to honest elections.

    Sammy Finkelman (6975b4)

  52. @53 And how does substituting a DMV number for a signature prevent organized fraud? Someone might have access to that data. It does, however, make it easier to make mistakes.
    It does at least two things in my mind:
    1) it makes it easier to ensure that one person voted.
    2) gets rid of the ridiculous “signature verification” process (ie, asking poll workers to be the experts at handwriting)

    whembly (446c04)

  53. I had my vote tossed for signature verification. It was my signature. I agree that’s not much of a protection.

    Voter ID + fingerprint. For mailed votes, for in person. Nationwide.

    I also would be OK with drivethrough voting (like those huge parking lots of COVID vaccinations, but for voting). I’m OK with moving the election to the weekend. I’m OK with all kinds of ways to make it more practical and easy to get to the vote, so long as we use an ID and ensure only eligible people vote only one time. For some reason, this always upsets democrats I engage with, even if I bend over backwards to compromise on the other aspects.

    And that’s why I understand Georgia. They know that compromising on half the slate just loses them ground. There is no real deal being reached. Stacey Abrams is not trying to be fair. She is trying to win.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  54. What makes it easier to ensure that one person voted is the link to a previously registered voter.

    Signatures sometimes can be totally different than what is on file. Of course it is a problem anyway to make a call.

    Banks use security questions, which present a problem of their own. Best might be getting a good percentage of them right, and not having anything that changes or where the spelling can vary.

    Here are two security questions that aren’t used:

    Name a parent was known by when young.

    Name considered for a child that wasn’t used.

    Sammy Finkelman (6975b4)

  55. @Dustin. A fingerprint is good, especially if it is not on file. But what you really want is several alternate methods of verification.

    Sammy Finkelman (6975b4)

  56. Not on file but examined if something else raises questions.

    Sammy Finkelman (6975b4)

  57. @Dustin. A fingerprint is good, especially if it is not on file. But what you really want is several alternate methods of verification.

    Sammy Finkelman (6975b4) — 4/2/2021 @ 8:44 am

    Of course someone will cheat with the fingerprints, just as someone can cheat with fake IDs (which are identical to real ones these days). But the combo makes it too difficult to do in any serious way. And any method to cheat those methods should produce evidence.

    I think you have a point, but I also think there’s a value in restoring trust, with methods that are obvious and simple and consistent.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  58. Part of the problem is that each time you add another requirement, like requiring driver’s license or SSN or other id for getting absentee ballots, you add another possibility of a technical error – the applicant gets a number a little wrong.

    As I understand conservative thinking this makes the resulting vote, if the ballot is received and voted , illegal and invalid even though everybody agrees that a registered eligible voter voted it, and did so only once. And then we have to tear our hair out because illegal votes got cast.

    The issue with voter IDs has always been that it has taken actual people money time and effort to obtain them. I have yet to see a state trying to push voter ID that also pushes programs to make sure that the ID are not only free, but that there is a system in place to make sure every registered voter gets one. A free ID available at some central location if you take the trip is not actually “free” for most people.

    And overarching all this is that the motivation for these laws is achingly transparent. Republicans are doing what they can to make voting more difficult because they think that helps them electorally. I agree that one motivation for HR 1 is that Democrats think it will help them electorally. But as between working to expand the electorate to make voting easier, and to reduce the role of dark money in politics, and restricting the electorate and preserving dark money, I got to go with the former. It’s not just a “both sides” issue even when there are partisan motivations on both sides.

    Victor (4959fb)

  59. I had my vote tossed for signature verification. It was my signature. I agree that’s not much of a protection.

    From the L.A. Times, just before the 2020 election:

    Mail-in ballots are pouring in by the millions to election offices across the country, getting stacked and prepared for processing. But before the count comes the signature test.

    Election workers eyeball voter signatures on ballots one by one, comparing the loop of an “L” or the squiggle of an “S” against other samples of that person’s writing.

    When performed by professionals in criminal cases or legal proceedings, signature verification can take hours. But election employees in many states must do the job in as little as five seconds.

    In an election marked by uncertainty amid the pandemic, the signature verification process represents one of the biggest unknowns: whether a system riddled with vulnerabilities will work on such a massive scale.

    In 2016, mismatched signatures were the most common reason that mail ballots were rejected, according to federal officials. With record numbers of people voting by mail this cycle, ballots thrown out for signature problems and other issues have the potential to decide races where the margin of victory is slim.

    Candidates could mount legal battles over the verification process to challenge election outcomes. President Trump has repeatedly asserted, with no evidence, that mail-in voting is rife with fraud.

    Rejected mail-in ballots have been a significant factor in recent elections.

    Long article, with sample challenges for the reader to show just how terrible a system it is.

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-28/2020-election-voter-signature-verification

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  60. The issue with voter IDs has always been that it has taken actual people money time and effort to obtain them. I have yet to see a state trying to push voter ID that also pushes programs to make sure that the ID are not only free, but that there is a system in place to make sure every registered voter gets one. A free ID available at some central location if you take the trip is not actually “free” for most people.

    It’s easy to get ID in Texas. Also, everyone should have ID. This notion that getting ID is some terrible oppression is really screwed up. You can’t reliably use a credit card without ID. You can’t get a job without ID. You can’t get a loan, drive a car, use a check, buy or rent a home without ID. A basic Texas ID is wither $16 or $6 depending on your age. Give me a break, man.

    At some point, the effort to make voter ID a downside is just ridiculous. We can’t have a billion dollar flying aircraft carrier sending drones to shove IDs into the pockets of these fictional people just standing in the corner helpless, so we receive their tremendously awesome decisions about leadership. It’s Ok to just require state ID and a fingerprint, and throw people in prison who try to vote unlawfully.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  61. When done on a county-by-county basis, with varying standards of comparison, signature verification may have significant effect.

    If, as seems possible, conservative-leaning counties have stricter standards than liberal “count every vote” counties, statewide results in an election with massive mail-in voting could have several percent of skew towards liberal candidates.

    All without even a hint of collusion or conspiracy. Counties that realize this and attempt to “correct” may find themselves in a race to the bottom.

    Add to this states that mail out ballots to last-known-addresses of voters, some of whom have not voted in a decade, and the security and credibility of balloting is uncertain. This may be why the new GA voter law moves away from signature-checking to an ID-based one. I think there are better ways than a copy of a photo ID, but assembly-line signature verification by hurried non-professionals doesn’t seem to be a great method.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  62. With mail in ballots, you can’t even dye fingers purple.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  63. Shoot, I need a fingerprint just to use my cellphone.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  64. With mail in ballots, you can’t even dye fingers purple.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/2/2021 @ 9:33 am

    I had to mail in my fingerprint to take that bar exam in Albuquerque, so I think mail in ballots should just include an ink pad and a space on the ballot for a print. Obviously you can get someone else’s fingerprint theoretically (like if you have an elderly family member at home), but it’s totally unrealistic to do so at scale.

    But hey, I also think all elections should be on tax day, and just be your last question on your 1040, and everyone has to fill those out to vote even if they had no income.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  65. It’s easy to get ID in Texas. Also, everyone should have ID. This notion that getting ID is some terrible oppression is really screwed up.

    It’s also a perfect example of progressive soft bigotry, in which educated and comfortable white leftists automatically assume that poor minorities lack the acumen and wherewithal to obtain a state ID.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  66. The bill ends mobile voting vans, previously used only in Fulton County.

    Fulton county is the most populous county in GA, it’s not some rural backwater that has isolated people. WTF do they need mobile voting vans for? It may make voting more convenient for a few, but voting being slightly (and I means SLIGHTLY) less convenient is not “Jim Crow.”

    It puts early election boxes inside polling places, instead of other convenient locations, and limits the hours, making the boxes much less useful. Moreover, the drop boxes will not be available to voters in the last four days of an election, when it’s too late to mail them in time.

    Drop boxes should be in secure areas. In several states in 2020, drop boxes were set on fire to destroy ballots in heavily D or R locations. Now, you’d be right if one could not go to a polling place on election day with an absentee ballot and drop it off, but you haven’t actually said that, have you?

    Those wishing to vote absentee must now submit a driver’s license number or other documentation. People without a driver’s license or state ID must submit additional proof of their identity.

    See 61 & 63. I’d prefer something better still, and am not keen on photo IDs, but signature verification is highly suspect, being subjective and prone to differing standards among jurisdictions. See the verification test in the LA Times article in #61 if you think it’s easy or reliable.

    And it makes standing in line long hours more difficult and more tense, as people look around to see how rigorously the Georgia police, last seen arresting a black legislator for knocking on the governor’s door, will enforce the 25 foot rule.

    25 foot? Geez. It should be 100 yards. No one should have to stand in a line and be harassed by political goofballs of either party. Also, there should not be a line of any size most of the day, if election officials had their asses in gear.


    You could claim that in each instance a voter could figure out how to deal with the restrictions, and thus doesn’t have standing. But of course the goal is to make voting more difficult (I am sorry, you don’t like that formulation – let’s say “less easy”) not impossible.

    What restrictions? You’ve yet to find one that means anything. So far your complaints are at “the ballots aren’t in a color I like”

    And of course this doesn’t even touch the major part of the bill, which puts a partisan Republican legislature in direct control of local election boards.

    As opposed to partisan local election boards?

    As for Jim Crow. Well when it came to voting JC was a lot of things that were neutral on their face, e.g. poll taxes, literacy requirements and gerrymandering, but imposed selectively purely to ensure that black people did not gain power.

    Uh, no. Lynching, exclusion, separation and being beat down with clubs were not neutral on their face, nor was the enforcement of those other things. TO call this bill “Jim Crow” is to deman and belittle those who sufferedd and fought against the actual Jim Crow. That the Democrat Party, which tolerated — and retained power by tolerating — Jim Crow for a century should try to smear the GOP (the party those disenfranchised black folk would have voted for during most of that time) for “doing the same thing” is a damned lie, and a blood libel.

    And if you’re telling me that they will use IDs to select out brown folks as part of some racist conspiracy? That is actually crazier than Trump’s claims, which takes some doing.

    I’m going to ignore the rest of you screed because it’s just aspersions. There are significant problems with absentee ballots, and correcting them is something EVERY jurisdiction should attempt. The Democrats hate that because they see a statistical bias in their direction with lax verification in their strongholds.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  67. True, JVW

    It’s irritating.

    The idea that there is a minority group that is just not interested in working or saving money or owning/renting a home, so they just don’t need or have ID, and they also can’t handle the burden of getting one, that fantasy is not coming from a position of respect, to put it mildly.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  68. It’s also a perfect example of progressive soft bigotry, in which educated and comfortable white leftists automatically assume that poor minorities lack the acumen and wherewithal to obtain a state ID.

    Perpetually drunk and possibly brain-damaged winos of every color seem able to get a state ID in order to buy their booze.

    As for whether black folks can get proper service from their state’s DMV, well, I don’t know Georgia. In California it’s pretty obvious they can, if you’ve ever stepped inside a DMV office.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  69. There’s only one reason Biden crushed Trump.

    Yes, old guard priggish Reaganhugger conservative Republicans bailed on him. Or have you already forgotten The Lincoln Project weenies, Dustin.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  70. #71

    So it’s RINO traitors that did Trump in? If only….

    Appalled (1a17de)

  71. @72. Pretty much.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  72. 65.Shoot, I need a fingerprint just to use my cellphone.

    So don’t use one. It pings and they know where you are.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  73. @66 I had to mail in my fingerprint to take that bar exam in Albuquerque

    So? Had to do that just to take the ACTs, PSATs and SATs back when Ol’Joe was a fresh faced senator.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  74. Anybody try to filet your under-thumb off down National City or Chula Vista way, DC?

    urbanleftbehind (6634bd)

  75. Move it to Shanghai.

    mg (8cbc69)

  76. Update added: MLB moving All-Star game out of Georgia.

    Dana (fd537d)

  77. For an extended analysis of the Georgia Bill, you could check out this article from the New York Times:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/us/politics/georgia-voting-law-annotated.html

    As for voting ID – voting is more important, and should be more accessible than getting job or buying a beer. You refuse to believe that some people, old, poor, young clueless have trouble getting IDs. If you wanted IDs just for the purpose of avoiding voting fraud you would make sure that everyone has ID. But no, that’s not the point is it? The point is to put up an obstacle that you are certain some people won’t be able to jump, even if they are registered eligible voters, because you don’t want them to vote.

    And Kevin, for your screed. Are you saying poll taxes and literacy tests weren’t part of Jim Crow, in addition to outright thuggery? And your theory that the Democratic party is somehow disqualified from caring now about voting rights because approximately 55 years ago a major chunk of the party were segregationists? How about wondering who is in favor of voting rights now? Who cheered Roberts crap decision in Shelby County?

    When the state legislature is overwhelmingly Republican and the largest county is Democratic, then having the legislature, for the first time, suddenly assert the right to directly overrule the county absolutely is suspicious.

    Dustin. I agree everybody should have ID sufficient to meet your voting requirements. That’s why I think everybody should get ID. And your exaggerations about billion dollar drones are nonsense and you know it. If you insist on a particular ID to vote than it’s not that hard to get that ID to everyone eligible to vote. And if you shrug and say you don’t care, well you’ve just admitted you really don’t want some people to vote.

    Victor (4959fb)

  78. And so you think it should be 100 yards, not 25 feet? Giving somebody some water on a hot day is harassing them?

    People should be thrown in prison for doing so?

    With everything you write it’s clear how very little interest you actually have in democracy.

    Victor (4959fb)

  79. For the 2020 election, there were 94 drop boxes across the four counties that make up the core of metropolitan Atlanta: Fulton, Cobb, DeKalb and Gwinnett. The new law limits the same four counties to a total of, at most, 23 drop boxes, based on the latest voter registration data. The number could be lower depending on how many early-voting sites the counties provide.

    There won’t just be fewer drop boxes. Instead of 24-hour access outdoors, the boxes must be placed indoors at government buildings and early-voting sites and will thus be unavailable for voters to drop off their ballots during evenings and other nonbusiness hours.

    https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2021/04/the-georgia-vote-suppression-law-is-very-bad

    Victor (4959fb)

  80. Georgia officials respond to MLB moving All-Star game out of Atlanta
    Georgia lawmakers and public figures expressed anger, disappointment and approval Friday in their responses to the MLB’s announcement it would move the All-Star Game out of Atlanta, after the state passed a sweeping new elections law last week.

    “Disappointed @MLB will move the All-Star Game, but proud of their stance on voting rights,” tweeted voting-rights activist and former gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams, a Democrat. “GA GOP traded economic opportunity for suppression.”
    …….
    Freshman Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said the MLB needed to “stop listening to their corporate communist sponsors and remember the little guys who buy their tickets.”

    “Keep the politics off the field and stop ruining everything!” she tweeted.

    Sen. Jon Ossoff’s (D-Ga.) office pointed to his statement from Thursday, in which he said businesses should stop supporting the GOP rather than boycott the state.

    “I absolutely oppose and reject any notion of boycotting Georgia. Georgia welcomes business, investment, jobs, opportunity, and events. In fact, economic growth is driving much of the political progress we have seen here,” Ossoff said. “Georgia welcomes the world’s business. Corporations disgusted like we are with the disgraceful Voter Suppression bill should stop any financial support to Georgia’s Republican Party, which is abusing its power to make it harder for Americans to vote.”
    …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  81. . And your exaggerations about billion dollar drones are nonsense and you know it.

    Um yes, a hovering aircraft carrier sending out drones to put IDs in the pockets of idiots standing in the corner, helpless to get ID, was nonsense. Thank you for pointing this out.

    Meanwhile, anybody can get a $16 or $6 ID, and obviously they do because you can’t work, rent a home, drive, get a bank account. Folks already have ID. Those who don’t, can just get ID, and this has nothing to do with the election. People need ID, they have ID, every idiot I know has a an ID. I know a guy with no arms or legs who has an ID. I know people who are over 100 years old who have ID. It is super easy to get ID and this is not a real problem.

    If you insist on a particular ID to vote than it’s not that hard to get that ID to everyone eligible to vote.

    Now that’s the nonsense. There will always be some fantasy that an ID demand is oppression because the government didn’t magically deliver a free ID into my wallet. There will always be an activist staging nonsense.

    There is no honest argument against voter ID. Period. There is no middle step we need to take to prove to anybody that we’re ‘ready’ for Voter ID someday. Just require it.

    Giving somebody some water on a hot day is harassing them?

    No. So long as people who commit electioneering within x00 yards of the polling place are actually prosecuted, there’s no good reason to oppose water. I am from Texas, where things are good. If I am thirsty at my polling place, I get out of line, drink from the fountain, get back in line. Come see the violence inherent in the system I guess.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  82. Previously, Georgia law required voters to simply sign their absentee ballot applications. Now they will have to provide the number from a driver’s license or an equivalent state-issued identification. This is virtually certain to limit access to absentee voting.

    The law also creates pitfalls for voters: If they fail to follow all the new steps, like printing a date of birth or in some cases including partial Social Security numbers, their ballots could be tossed out. Mr. Trump’s lawyers and allies urged judges and Republican officials last year to invalidate some ballots that were out of compliance. Stringent voter-ID laws in other states have depressed voting mostly among people of color.

    When the coronavirus pandemic hit last year, Georgia’s secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, mailed absentee ballot applications to every registered voter in the state ahead of its June primary election. This led to absentee voting by record numbers of Georgians.

    When Mr. Raffensperger didn’t mail applications again for the general election, several local government agencies did so, particularly in Georgia’s large urban counties — a move that the state has now made illegal. With the loss of automatically mailed applications, some voters will invariably not request ballots, since the applications also served as a reminder to people that they were eligible to vote.

    Last year, Fulton County, which includes most of Atlanta, had two recreational vehicles that traversed the county during the early voting periods, effectively bringing polling sites to people at churches, parks and public libraries. In the November election, more than 11,200 people voted at the two vehicles in Fulton County.

    Georgia has now outlawed this practice, unless the governor declares a state of emergency to allow it — something that Mr. Kemp, a Republican, is unlikely to do given that it could increase voter turnout in Atlanta.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/us/politics/georgia-voting-law-annotated.html

    Tell me these changes, and others, are just for reasons of election integrity.

    Victor (4959fb)

  83. Sad, I’ve been a baseball fan since my first game at 7 years old. Now I’m writing the MLB and the Yanks ownership to tell them I’m done. No more games, no more memorabilia, no more taking my family to events and building new fans.

    This synergy between the left and the corporate woke needs to end. Its corporate fascism.

    NJRob (6f9c02)

  84. MLB: “Piss on ’em.”

    If only illegal migrants obeyed the commands of President Plagiarist as fast.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  85. @86. No kidding. Gramps was very much into the Pittsburgh Pirates organization back in the day so as youngsters we were exposed to some incredible baseball talent– when it really was a game– and the kitch up close and personal. Met Clemente, Stargell, Friend, Maz — all the Pirate greats of the day one afternoon sitting in the dugout at that magnificent edifice, Forbes Field. Found his box eat tickets from the 1927 World Series after he passed; folks went to the ’60 World Series-tickets saved- where they saw Maz hit that homer; KDKA sportscaster Bob Prince was a family friend– as was the late, great Honus Wagner. Family stories about Pop and Gramps going to see the Homestead Grays play and Page pitch were treasured tales.

    No more. Done w/it.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  86. Pretty remarkable to punish Atlanta and the Braves fans for a product of democracy in action. There was nothing illegal or unconstitutional in the legislation….and no one is prevented from voting. I get that it introduces an inconvenience for some…..but it has a good faith rationale (election security is not frivolous). I haven’t studied the legislation deeply….and am frankly concerned that this was motivated by residual Trumpism and notions of stolen elections….but for a business to not only decisively weigh in on one side….but to actively punish one of its franchises for the “sins” of its state…..smacks of bad corporate sense, as many of its viewers will be offended. Another sign that the country is badly listing….and we’re seeing more and more questionable decisions. MLB needs to decide if it’s marketing baseball…or marketing the Democrat Party….

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  87. @77. We took the tests in Bada-Bing Jersey, ULB, where the slice of life gets you whacked and dumped in the Secaucus Meadowlands.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  88. This statement move by mlb is worthless when there’s still a team with racist name in Atlanta.

    If you going to play by this stupid rule, then by golly we’re gunna apply this stupid rule in absurdo ad reductum everytime.

    whembly (7baeb9)

  89. Tell me these changes, and others, are just for reasons of election integrity.

    Victor (4959fb) — 4/2/2021 @ 1:38 pm

    Indeed partisans fight against fair elections. For example, everyone fighting against Voter ID is an enemy of democracy. Plain and simple. It’s an easy test before I get into the weeds about a decent compromise about other matters.

    Voter ID is common sense.

    Now they will have to provide the number from a driver’s license or an equivalent state-issued identification. This is virtually certain to limit access to absentee voting.

    I am literally laughing at this. Are they saying that cheaters can’t vote? So what? Everyone has ID so they aren’t saying this is limiting access for real voters. It’s time to start putting cheaters in prison.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  90. If the new mlb Braves stadium has tax breaks (ie, tiff and the like), I hope they rescind that too.

    whembly (15c62b)

  91. Major League Baseball has caved into the woke lobby.

    Sammy Finkelman (6975b4)

  92. Well, I’ll be missing the All-Star game then, even if I had free tickets and Vin Scully was doing the play-by-play.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  93. So, wait, if California has a stupid law that restricts my 2nd Amendment rights, they’re going to pull the Dodgers out of Los Angeles?

    Probably not.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  94. So what could GA do?

    It could rescind tax breaks.
    It could tax tickets to Braves games.
    It could put a surtax on MLB athletes for games they play in Georgia
    It could limit times for baseball games to early morning.
    It could kick MLB out of Georgia.

    What it will do, though, is make damn sure that this new law is not altered even a little bit, and it will sweep every single state capital where the GOP holds sway. Maybe MLB will be set back a century, only playing games in places where they really only watch basketball.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  95. Hopefully this is an 8th dimensional chess gambit by the MLBPA to clear the decks, by way of owner and fan retribution, of an increasingly unpopular commissioner, ahead of contentious labor talks:

    https://www.sportscasting.com/rob-manfred-has-far-more-errors-than-home-runs-as-commissioner/

    urbanleftbehind (6634bd)

  96. Whembly circa #91:

    In the eyes of the woke, the Georgia voting law is the fourth strike against the Braves — not only the raciss mascot, but an unapologetically conservative post-Turner ownership and a recent stadium move from a downtown to a suburban commercial complex.

    urbanleftbehind (6634bd)

  97. several companies that have pressured georgia, like coca cola, are official sponsors of the 2022 china olympics

    hypocrites just like joe

    JF (6fcdbe)

  98. It seems really foolish, since baseball is not just a democrat thing. I know Stacey is pretending this wasn’t her doing, but you can’t go around pretending your state just enacted Jim Crow on Steroids and not expect it to devestate investment in your state. She cost her people at least a billion in a year where many businesses, many jobs, were on the brink.

    The truth is, democrats did take advantage of COVID. They did change a lot voting rules at the last second. They did it in a way that helped their outcome. Now, some of this is not so bad, but it happened and the reaction to make some clear laws about election integrity is also not so bad. The democrats want to troll people like me into either saying the fraud wasn’t enough to change the outcome of the biggest contest, or say the fraud is not relevant, but we all see how stupid that is.

    It’s a shame Trump screwed yet another important issue up by freaking out instead of making his case with respect. but Trump’s in the past. What matters is that Georgia is not going to love it when more and more consequences hit the state. Movies, maybe big business, other athletic events. This is a state that voted for Biden and he has trashed them in a divisive, bitter way.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  99. Is it possible that MLB is simply making their best business guess as to which scenario (keeping the game in Georgia or moving it somewhere else) will turn off the lesser number of fans? In other words, with Biden weighing in, is MLB afraid that the people who are swayed by Biden’s suggestion will outnumber those who want to keep the game in Georgia?

    Or, is it just the case that Manfred and the other baseball big wigs have allowed personal political opinion to cloud their judgment?

    I really don’t know the answer.

    norcal (01e272)

  100. Naw, Manfred might be a classic example of a reluc- or closet Trump politically. Hes somewhat of a nerd who doesn’t really know the game and league hes been entrusted with. If you read my post near #98, he probably buckled under a collection of doubters, likely prodded into what could be his downfall by his MLBPA adversary.

    urbanleftbehind (6634bd)

  101. Interesting, UBL. Here is a quote from Stacey Abrams in that article:

    “Like many Georgians, I am disappointed that the MLB is relocating the All-Star game; however, I commend the players, owners and League commissioner for speaking out,” Abrams wrote. “I urge others in positions of the leadership to do so as well.”

    Holy Mother of Oxymoronic Statements!

    norcal (01e272)

  102. The Emperor has no clothes and –what a surprise– MLB has a history of strikes… but no balls.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  103. Biden got soooooo lucky that Trump was literally the worst sore loser in the history of the entire planet. Everyone who voted for biden knows they voted correctly.

    But this kind of hostility has me basically eager to vote against the democrats in 2024. They are really blowing an opportunity to make some gains and be moderate, and just the ‘boring’ default party. I see them go far on policy and I think they know they aren’t going to keep power.

    Amazing.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  104. This entry into partisan politics seems a foolish thing to do, for an organization that depends utterly on its anti-trust exemption.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  105. “MLB has a history of strikes… but no balls.”

    The Democrats always prefer to take over corporations that are influential but not exposed to any responsibility that might take away from that influence.

    “Everyone who voted for biden knows they voted correctly.”

    You did not, and having the woke corporations turn against you, your kin, and your little triangulating libertarian and Chamber of Commerce weasels is merely the beginning of the punishment you and others more important than you will receive from China’s client corporations for your treachery against anything resembling the American spirit.

    “But this kind of hostility has me basically eager to vote against the democrats in 2024. They are really blowing an opportunity to make some gains and be moderate, and just the ‘boring’ default party. ”

    The Democrats aren’t interested in being the moderate or GAP(“Generic American Party”) like the GOP, they’re interested in being the ‘permanent majority-minority party’ so they can do what they want with impunity while still claiming victim status. All of their rhetoric, funding, demographics, and corporate and marketing alliances points to this mindset.

    “This entry into partisan politics seems a foolish thing to do, for an organization that depends utterly on its anti-trust exemption.”

    Due to Covid, the airlines are in the same financial position as the DNC when Hillary rolled around-entirely dependent on whoever’s funding them to stay alive, thus willing to serve as absolute lapdogs of that power upon command.

    “The truth is, democrats did take advantage of COVID. They did change a lot voting rules at the last second. They did it in a way that helped their outcome. Now, some of this is not so bad, but it happened and the reaction to make some clear laws about election integrity is also not so bad.”

    All you have to say is TRUMP WAS RIGHT, I WAS WRONG, I’M SORRY, this smarmy pretentious OH MAYBE UNPRECEDENTED AND NATIONALLY-COORDINATED BARELY LEGAL LAST-MINUTE ELECTION RULE CHANGES WERE KIND OF SORT OF NOT QUITE SO GOOD act isn’t fooling anyone.

    “The democrats want to troll people like me into either saying the fraud wasn’t enough to change the outcome of the biggest contest, or say the fraud is not relevant, but we all see how stupid that is.”

    Pretty sure you trolled yourself by being willfully deceived by your hatred of Trump, a far better and more effective person than you’ll ever be. Have you STOPPED reading liberal publications?

    “It’s a shame Trump screwed yet another important issue up by freaking out instead of making his case with respect.”

    You don’t have standing to complain about him ‘freaking out’, Trump tried fifty different legal remedies with less precedent and preparation time than anyone before or since. With HR 1 and the unprecedented state-corporate actions against Georgia, the Democrats are certainly ACTING like Trump was telling the truth the whole time!

    “What matters is that Georgia is not going to love it when more and more consequences hit the state. Movies, maybe big business, other athletic events. This is a state that voted for Biden and he has trashed them in a divisive, bitter way.”

    When has that ever stopped Detroit for voting for Democrats? Oh, wait, there were some irregularities in Michigan and some shenanigans when people protested against it…but I GUESS THE ELECTIONS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ABOVE BOARD NOTHING TO SEE HERE NO NEED TO INVESTIGATE AGGRESSIVELY THESE THINGS JUST HAPPEN!

    Next you’ll tell me that manufacturing millions of votes to drag a corpse across the finish line and pretend it was all business as usual was a bad idea that would hurt the country! News flash: THE DEMOCRATS AND THEIR CORPORATE DONORS DON’T CARE!

    The reality is every day you leave them in power will make it worse for you; corporate control will tighten, the left will gain more influence over younger generations, and the citizenry will become more degraded. But there won’t be any mean tweets!

    Dyson Swarm (aca0a8)

  106. I thought it was “Jim Crow on Adderall”

    steveg (02d731)

  107. Pretty sure you trolled yourself by being willfully deceived by your hatred of Trump, a far better and more effective person than you’ll ever be

    LOL

    Dustin (4237e0)

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