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3/2/2021

Dr. Seuss: Canceled

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:29 am



Or at least some of his books have been.

Six Dr. Seuss books will no longer be published because they “portray people in ways that are hurtful and wrong,” the business that preserves the author’s legacy said.

. . . .

Two specific examples, according to the study, are found in the books “The Cat’s Quizzer: Are YOU Smarter Than the Cat in the Hat?” and “If I Ran the Zoo.”

“In (“The Cat’s Quizzer”), the Japanese character is referred to as ‘a Japanese,’ has a bright yellow face, and is standing on what appears to be Mt. Fuji,” the authors wrote.

Regarding “If I Ran the Zoo,” the study points out another example of Orientalism and White supremacy.

“The three (and only three) Asian characters who are not wearing conical hats are carrying a White male on their heads in ‘If I Ran the Zoo.’ The White male is not only on top of, and being carried by, these Asian characters, but he is also holding a gun, illustrating dominance. The text beneath the Asian characters describes them as ‘helpers who all wear their eyes at a slant’ from ‘countries no one can spell,'” the study authors wrote.

The study in question is from the journal “Research on Diversity in Youth Literature.”

Thank God, President Biden has addressed this scourge and “removed mentions of Dr. Seuss from Read Across America Day.” If people read books, that would be very meaningful.

Apparently The Cat in the Hat will continue to be published . . . for now.

81 Responses to “Dr. Seuss: Canceled”

  1. The SPLC was one of the movers attacking Dr Seuss. No surprise there.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  2. I guess they had never heard of Dr. Seuss’s WWII cartoons.

    The part I cannot get across to academics is that I can promise that there are things being done, right now, that future people will find offensive.

    Ray Bradbury, when he wrote Fahrenheit 451, is sometimes thought of as opposing the Right. The speech by Captain Beatty in the novel is really disturbing in today’s social media world.

    http://pnhs.psd202.org/documents/lhannema/1518725344.pdf

    Brother Ray put it best:

    “There is more than one way to burn a book. And the world is full of people running about with lit matches.”

    Simon Jester (004016)

  3. Also very unfair to green eggs and ham.

    Dave (1bb933)

  4. I think Biden’s decision not to specifically endorse Dr. Seuss is entirely reasonable.

    Dave (1bb933)

  5. Weren’t comic books, all comic books, almost put out of business in the 1950s?

    nk (1d9030)

  6. https://www.foxnews.com/us/loudoun-county-public-schools-dr-seuss-racial-undertones

    More madness. This toxic culture is destroying civilization.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  7. It’s the same culture that canceled McNeil at the NYT.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  8. Rest easy, Biden fans. The crocodile you feed will surely eat you last.

    JF (b97a2b)

  9. “There is more than one way to burn a book. And the world is full of people running about with lit matches.”

    I read more than I do anything else, always have, and in my view nobody has done more harm to my favorite genres in the last forty years than the publishing houses themselves. It used to be that editors would sift out the smut, now they actively solicit it.

    nk (1d9030)

  10. The fact that there is a publication named “Research on Diversity in Youth Literature.” should cause some measure of alarm.

    John B Boddie (d795fd)

  11. This is why digital copies of things are important. Art is too important to leave to the artists. Or their heirs.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  12. Ray Bradbury, when he wrote Fahrenheit 451, is sometimes thought of as opposing the Right. The speech by Captain Beatty in the novel is really disturbing in today’s social media world.

    I think that Kornbluth was more on point, in a general way, in “The Marching Morons.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  13. I love dr. suess and tried to get my kids into reading through him. He was sometimes of use, but a lot of his works they didn’t like at all. I wonder how these specific stories are selling? Maybe its the cynic in me, but it sure seems like a culture war controversy is a great way to increase sales and awareness. Are there any examples at the brand level of this type of conflict actually causing business damage? The ones I can think off, Chick Fillet, Nike, and Aunt Jemima all either resulted in profits or at least a lot of free media.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  14. Here’s my theory:

    This is a cost cutting measure by the publisher that they’re spinning as wokeness.

    Davethulhu (6ba00b)

  15. Rest easy, Biden fans. The crocodile you feed will surely eat you last.

    JF (b97a2b) — 3/2/2021 @ 9:51 am

    Biden has no fans, just a large group of people that thought he was the less bad choice.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  16. Here’s my theory:

    This is a cost cutting measure by the publisher that they’re spinning as wokeness.

    Davethulhu (6ba00b) — 3/2/2021 @ 10:55 am

    I suspect you’re right. The 2 I saw specifically weren’t his better books and i doubt they sell very well.

    Time123 (c9382b)

  17. @15/@17. It’s an old marketing ploy. Likely will spike sales of existing inventory in the pipeline not selling well as is. On deck; rebranding: Seuss On The Loose: “Drawn And Quartered” – the limited edition, ‘banned and damned’ box sets.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  18. “And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street” – This one is long and my kids got bored during it. Message is good but Harry Chapin said it better.
    “If I Ran the Zoo” – Also long, better then Mulberry Street and also about imagination. Again, not a favorite of my kids.
    “McElligot’s Pool” – Never heard of it.
    “On Beyond Zebra!” – Never heard of it.
    “Scrambled Eggs Super!” – Never heard of it.
    “The Cat’s Quizzer” – Never heard of it.

    I’m becoming more and more suspicious that this announcement is a way virtue signal about some of his art that was a bit racist and get a nice media bump about the decision to stop publishing parts of his catalog that aren’t selling / aren’t very popular.

    Think about it, if they’d announced they were going to stop publishing these books due to lack of sales and interest it would be a tiny news item that ‘kids need to read more’ and the comments would be ‘yeah but these aren’t very good’.

    Now the brand get’s a culture war bump.

    Time123 (c9382b)

  19. Rest easy, Biden fans. The crocodile you feed will surely eat you last.

    They actually believe it will be too full when it gets to them.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  20. RIP Vernon Jordan (85).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  21. I have always disagreed with judging historic persons or art by today’s (shifting) standards. I remember when protesters shut down a screen of Birth of a Nation 35 years ago, one of many films we will never see in a movie theater again.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  22. Dr Seuss was a product of his times. The second image that Time posts in #19 is of course horrible, but it was quite in line with the official US propaganda of WWII. I am sure there are some “Sambo” type characterizations of blacks as well, in some of his work.

    I can see them pulling books that have actually offensive images (such as the Yellow Menace cartoon Time links), but I draw the line at removal of works that merely fail to match CURRENT standards of (or demands for) “diversity.” If you do that, almost all movies before 1990 are burned, and many since.

    Casablanca (Sam is a stereotype)
    The Godfather (“Let them lose their souls!”)
    Gone with the Wind (myriad)

    Although there are some movies that are just so terrible they are hard to watch. Charlie Chan in Egypt is one, as it has Stepin Fetchit giving one of the most risable black stereotype performances ever.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  23. I posted this in the Weekend thread a few days ago, but it is more appropriate here

    https://youtu.be/0bjcCwWnUsE

    A British reporter starts to do a standup about how the “Little House on the Prarie” books are being pulled from libraries due to offending modern censors. But he loses it pretty quickly and it devolves into an extremely fine rant about cancel culture. Funny as all hell, and spot on.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  24. Thankfully, ‘Bartholomew and the Oobleck’ – a book by ‘Dr. Seuss’ – has not been banned.

    It was my childhood favorite; still have a treasured copy.

    ‘Oobleck,’ of course, is a metaphor for conservatism– so the kids will still learn how to banish the green goo from the kingdom. 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  25. Dr Seuss was a product of his times. The second image that Time posts in #19 is of course horrible, but it was quite in line with the official US propaganda of WWII. I am sure there are some “Sambo” type characterizations of blacks as well, in some of his work.

    I can see them pulling books that have actually offensive images (such as the Yellow Menace cartoon Time links), but I draw the line at removal of works that merely fail to match CURRENT standards of (or demands for) “diversity.” If you do that, almost all movies before 1990 are burned, and many since.

    Casablanca (Sam is a stereotype)
    The Godfather (“Let them lose their souls!”)
    Gone with the Wind (myriad)

    Although there are some movies that are just so terrible they are hard to watch. Charlie Chan in Egypt is one, as it has Stepin Fetchit giving one of the most risable black stereotype performances ever.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 3/2/2021 @ 11:28 am

    He was a man of his times and brilliant writer and illustrator that made the world a better place with his children’s work. His racist stereotypes of Asians were in line with the US propaganda. It was a racist time and we used those ideas to help the war effort. That doesn’t mean that every book he published is a good fit for today’s kids. Times change. Also, if there was a pressure campaign to get these works pulled it wasn’t a very well publicized one. I only heard about it from the publisher’s statement.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  26. “Rest easy, Biden fans.”
    I doubt you’ll find many Biden fans here, at least not the sort of slavering fandom you would find in the MAGA world for Trump. Some of us may have cast votes reluctantly for Biden, but only because the other choice was a crazed conspiracy theorist (and yes, his conspiracy-addled mind was blindingly apparent even before the election).

    Roger (e34354)

  27. Given that the people not publishing those 6 Seuss books appear to be the Seuss literary executors rather anyone refusing publication, I can’t see any particular reason to be upset. Literary executors often curate which material is out for publication at any given time. It’s pretty much the job.

    And choosing not to specifically promote one author over other authors during literacy encouragement isn’t particularly scandalous either. If someone finds material to be full of outdated cultural stereotypes, why would the specifically promote it over material they think is more relevant?

    Nic (896fdf)

  28. I feel we live in Sneetches’ times…where everyone wants a big fat “T” on their backsides. Hopefully the story plays out similarly….

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  29. Wait till these woke bastiges cancel Winnie the Pooh for stealing honey from the bees.

    mg (8cbc69)

  30. Going to be a pretty awesome Banned Books Week coming this September with Dr. Seuss now on the list. We need to next target that goddammed Shel Silverstein because his The Giving Tree leaves children with the impression that environmental destruction is natural and noble.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  31. @mg@31 Did you know that the Hardy Boys and the Nancy Drew books were edited in 1959 to remove a bunch of racism? Damn those woke 1950s people.

    Nic (896fdf)

  32. It’s curious how many people who supported attempts to ban the Lorax object to this, and vice versa.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  33. @aphrael@34 If this were an actual ban, I’d have a different opinion, but AFAICT, it’s less of one than Disney not releasing Song of the South and nobody promoting Song of the South to kids anymore, and that particular 1980ish decision doesn’t seem to be a huge controversy of wokeness.

    Nic (896fdf)

  34. I disagree with your premise, Nic. When a firm makes a decision to retire product because it no longer sells enough in the market to justify keeping it around, then that’s a business decision. When a firm makes a decision to retire product because they find the content to be “problematic,” especially when the content has been around for a long-time, is well-known, and (as far as we know) continues to sell enough to justify keeping it in the catalog, then that’s a form of censorship.

    You seem to be arguing (and correct me if I am not reflecting your point accurately) that because it is not some organization like a school board or a library which has determined not to carry the product that this doesn’t count as an actual ban. But my point is that modern social justice warriors are too shrewd to follow that well-worn track of local bans. Today they are smart enough to attack the producer of the material and guilt-trip them into pulling the product, such that the social justice warriors can then semi-plausibly claim that the decision is made at the corporate level. But to me that’s like a mugger telling the judge, “Hey, I didn’t threaten to beat up the guy if he didn’t give me his wallet; I just stood there in front of him glowering menacingly and he up and gave me his wallet all on his own volition. You therefore can’t blame me.”

    JVW (ee64e4)

  35. Don’t worry, today’s gadget-savvy kids have youtube to turn to for “gettin’ edhughcashun'”…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tuu5YtkPIo

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  36. Godfrey Daniels!

    Wait ’til they go after W.C. Fields for finding an ‘Ethiopian in the fuel supply.’

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  37. @JVW@36 No, you are correct, that is my point. If a private organization decides not to continue to distribute a product it owns, it does not constitute a ban. The company appears to have made the decision on their own and appears to have voluntarily announced it as part of a publicity campaign. There doesn’t seem to be any kind of government pressure. There also doesn’t seem to have been a big public outcry or threats of boycott or anything else that could be described as overwhelming public pressures. They seem to have just decided to do it and then announce it.

    Nic (896fdf)

  38. It’s perfectly ok for conservatives to tweet meanly; Manchin will vote for *those* nominees. But for a liberal to do so is unacceptable.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  39. I disagree with your premise, Nic. When a firm makes a decision to retire product because it no longer sells enough in the market to justify keeping it around, then that’s a business decision. When a firm makes a decision to retire product because they find the content to be “problematic,” especially when the content has been around for a long-time, is well-known, and (as far as we know) continues to sell enough to justify keeping it in the catalog, then that’s a form of censorship.

    You seem to be arguing (and correct me if I am not reflecting your point accurately) that because it is not some organization like a school board or a library which has determined not to carry the product that this doesn’t count as an actual ban. But my point is that modern social justice warriors are too shrewd to follow that well-worn track of local bans. Today they are smart enough to attack the producer of the material and guilt-trip them into pulling the product, such that the social justice warriors can then semi-plausibly claim that the decision is made at the corporate level. But to me that’s like a mugger telling the judge, “Hey, I didn’t threaten to beat up the guy if he didn’t give me his wallet; I just stood there in front of him glowering menacingly and he up and gave me his wallet all on his own volition. You therefore can’t blame me.”

    JVW (ee64e4) — 3/2/2021 @ 3:16 pm

    You’re assuming a lot of facts in this. We don’t know the sales rate for these works and I think it’s a mistake to assume that they’re selling well. Take a look at the list. How many of the works are you familiar with?

    Time123 (52fb0e)

  40. Breaking:

    White House plans to withdraw nomination of Tanden to head budget office

    Too many mean tweets.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/2/2021 @ 3:49 pm

    Is this an example of cancel culture? I’m not sure what counts any more.

    Time123 (52fb0e)

  41. Ten years from now, Romeo & Juliet will be expunged from libraries and schools because it shows a cisgender male and female falling in love.

    Hoi Polloi (b28058)

  42. When I was younger they were worried about it because it would lead to suicide. I think that was Liz Chaney but it was a while ago.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  43. Recall the kerfuffle w/Lennon… Reagan… involving Catcher In The Rye.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  44. Ten years from now, Romeo & Juliet will be expunged from libraries and schools

    And well it should. God-fearing Christian children should only read the King James Bible, The Pilgrim’s Progress by John Bunyan, and The New England Primer.

    nk (1d9030)

  45. If curtailing racist imagery in Dr. Seuss is ‘cancel culture,’ what, exactly, is your culture?

    Book burning is book burning. It has no culture. What is has is self-righteousness and only that.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  46. And besides, whatever happened to “all cultures are equal!”?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  47. Next up, Raymond Chandler, Agatha Christie (she even used the N-word in a book title), Edgar Rice Burroughs (despite his Mars books which made the whites the bad guys). We could certainly throw Faulkner (he was a segregationist) and Steinbeck (used the N-word a lot) and probably Hemingway in there, too. Twain for certain, but that’s old news.

    Then there’s MLK, Jr for his wanton womanizing, Jack Kennedy for the same. When do we go after Al Gore for his profligate use of energy?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  48. Ten years from now, Romeo & Juliet will be expunged from libraries and schools

    Teen sex, gang violence, and obstinate parents, all ending in double suicide by the protagonists? This seems to me to be the sort of “young adult” fiction that nowadays wins countless literary awards and becomes mandated at schools. Then again, this particular story was written by a straight, dead, white male from a colonizing country. So maybe you’re right.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  49. @47: What about the Book of Common Prayer? Or is that too papist?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  50. Is this an example of cancel culture? I’m not sure what counts any more.

    Being bounced for offending current standards with current conduct is not “cancel culture” it’s being socially unacceptable. Lincoln and David Duke may have said similar things, but the century of separation is meaningful.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  51. The company appears to have made the decision on their own and appears to have voluntarily announced it as part of a publicity campaign. There doesn’t seem to be any kind of government pressure.

    I think where we’re at odds, Nic, is that you appear to be asserting that only governmental agencies can actually ban something. I don’t agree. When a church organizes a community and gets 7-11 to stop selling Playboy, that to me is still a ban even if there was no government pressure and even if it was 7-11’s corporate office who made the final call. Not that I don’t agree that 7-11 corporate (or the Theodore Geisel estate for that matter) doesn’t have the right to take this action, but they need to account for their actions and understand the potential unintended consequences if they want to maintain any credibility.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  52. When a firm makes a decision to retire product because they find the content to be “problematic,” especially when the content has been around for a long-time, is well-known, and (as far as we know) continues to sell enough to justify keeping it in the catalog, then that’s a form of censorship.

    Actually, it’s also a business decision. Not wanting some works by an author to tarnish one’s other properties that sell better is a perfectly fine business choice. I admire much of Robert Heinlein’s work, but if I owned his works, I’d deep-six Farnham’s Freehold and Sixth Column (aka The Day After Tomorrow) for their awkward-at-best racial stereotypes.

    The latter book was pushed on the young Heinlein by John W Campbell, Jr — the editor that gate RAH his start — and was published in 1941, not a real good time for books about war with Asians. But still, it was about in line with the Seuss image that Time123 posted in #19.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  53. I took a SF literature course in college, from a leftist professor at Pomona. He included “Farnham’s Freehold” as his example Heinlein book. I gave him a raft of sh1t about it, too, privately.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  54. @47: What about the Book of Common Prayer? Or is that too papist?

    It should be kept from persons of tender years at least.

    Better than talking about the dystopic straw men of mediocre-but-having-an-in-with-the-education-racket authors (and I mean Ray Bradbury), why don’t we talk about Qin Shi Huang, the first Chinese emperor, who did in fact impose Fahrenheit 451, 2,200 years ago, on all of China, not only by banning books but also by changing the alphabet so that future generations could not read any that survived the burnings. That’s how long this stuff has been going on in recorded history.

    Now I’m going to go read a manga and think about Dr. Fredrick Wertham. (Click the link, you’ll learn something.)

    nk (1d9030)

  55. @JVW@54 I do think we are defining ban in fundamentally different ways, but I don’t think the government is the only thing that can actually ban something, however I do think it has to be a controlling body of some sort. IMO A church can ban something. A school (even a private school) can ban something. A corporation can ban something. A ban is a top down directive. A bottom up action is a boycott or an agitation. An independent action is neither of those. The Dr. Seuss situation appears to fall under the independent action category to me.

    Nic (896fdf)

  56. Don’t have to read about Wertham. He destroyed the Golden Age of Comics and instituted a decade or more of pap, until DC broke out from the Comics Code with “Snowbirds Don’t Fly.” I own a copy.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  57. Wertham and his moral panic succeeded where McCarthy failed. Not much real difference between the who, actually.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  58. *two

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  59. JFK is going to fade into irrelevance as the generations which were charmed by him die of old age. That’s the fate of the memory of most Presidents.

    MLK, though, will stick around.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  60. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9318259/White-House-DECLINES-defend-Dr-Seuss-Joe-Biden-leaves-Read-America-Day.html

    The White House on Tuesday declined to defend Dr. Seuss after President Joe Biden left the children’s author out of a proclamation celebrating Read Across America Day.

    White House press secretary Jen Psaki said the day is ‘a chance to celebrate diverse authors whose work and lived experience reflect the diversity of our country.’

    Her comments come after Biden omitted Dr. Seuss from Read Across America Day, which is held annually on the children’s author’s birthday on March 2.

    But now six of his children’s books will no longer be published because of racist and insensitive imagery, Dr. Seuss Enterprises, the company that preserves and protects the author’s legacy, announced Tuesday.

    Biden broke presidential tradition when he left out any mention of Dr. Seuss during his proclamation. Both former presidents Barack Obama and Donald Trump have recognized Dr. Seuss’ contributions several times in their proclamations each year.

    Biden is a coward, but we knew that already. His desire to weaken our nation’s history and successes speaks for itself.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  61. JFK is going to fade into irrelevance as the generations which were charmed by him die of old age. That’s the fate of the memory of most Presidents.

    Not so sure. Unlike McKinley or Garfield (the president), there’s lots of film of Kennedy. People will still relate. Lincoln, of course, is in 500 movies.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  62. I am going to bet that anyone seeing those books that they withdrew would know why they did. Since the books are for KIDS and young kids at that, I’d prefer their introduction to the wider world didn’t have overtly racist content. Later, when they can understand the difference between then and now, fact and fiction, they can read Huckleberry Finn, To Kill a Mockingbird and all those other books that make you think.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  63. Sic transit gloria mundi.

    nk (1d9030)

  64. 62.JFK is going to fade into irrelevance as the generations which were charmed by him die of old age. That’s the fate of the memory of most Presidents.

    Doubt it.

    Challenged America to send men to the moon; defused the most dangerous 13 days of the Cold War: the Cuban Missile Crisis– and he was filmed by Zapruder getting gunned down in Dallas.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  65. I’m curious. Does anyone here think that the images in question; dehumanizing caricatures of Blacks and Asians that have been associated with harmful, hateful and racist actions for a long time, aren’t offensive?

    If you agree that they’re offensive do you think they should be marketed as leisure reading to children?

    Time123 (653992)

  66. Are they more, or less, dehumanizing than what’s in Disney’s Peter Pan?

    JF (ee5513)

  67. Are they more, or less, dehumanizing than what’s in Disney’s Peter Pan?

    JF (ee5513) — 3/3/2021 @ 7:43 am

    Interesting question, but that’s not an answer.

    Time123 (653992)

  68. Maybe ask a relevant question first. The issue is not how they are marketed. It’s whether they will be published.

    So, it’s helpful to know in advance what the package deal is that comes with an answer to your question. If I say yes, those Suess titles are dehumanizing and shouldn’t be published, am I condemning Peter Pan as well? Why not just make that clear up front?

    JF (3efb60)

  69. All I’m asking is if you think the images in question are offensive or not. If can’t figure that out for yourself I don’t know that the follow up matters.

    Time123 (653992)

  70. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ebay-dr-seuss-books-listings-removed

    Online retailer eBay is removing several Dr. Seuss books from its website that are no longer being published.

    A spokeswoman for the website told the Washington Examiner on Thursday that it would no longer be allowing sellers to list six books that have been deemed by Dr. Seuss Enterprises, the company that preserves Theodor Seuss “Ted” Geisel’s legacy, as containing racially insensitive imagery.

    “At eBay, we have a strict policy against hate and discrimination to ensure our platform remains a safe, trusted and inclusive environment for our global community of buyers and sellers,” eBay Corporate Communications Specialist Parmita Choudhury said. “We’re currently sweeping our marketplace to remove these items. It can take some time to review all existing listings and provide education to impacted users. We’re also monitoring the newly published list to be reviewed.”

    The control must be absolute. Refusal to submit will not be allowed. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  71. @73. They’re still selling ’em on Amazon.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  72. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ebay-dr-seuss-books-listings-removed

    Online retailer eBay is removing several Dr. Seuss books from its website that are no longer being published.

    A spokeswoman for the website told the Washington Examiner on Thursday that it would no longer be allowing sellers to list six books that have been deemed by Dr. Seuss Enterprises, the company that preserves Theodor Seuss “Ted” Geisel’s legacy, as containing racially insensitive imagery.

    “At eBay, we have a strict policy against hate and discrimination to ensure our platform remains a safe, trusted and inclusive environment for our global community of buyers and sellers,” eBay Corporate Communications Specialist Parmita Choudhury said. “We’re currently sweeping our marketplace to remove these items. It can take some time to review all existing listings and provide education to impacted users. We’re also monitoring the newly published list to be reviewed.”

    The control must be absolute. Refusal to submit will not be allowed. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/4/2021 @ 11:40 am

    Do you think the images in question are offensive?

    Time123 (52fb0e)

  73. nk (1d9030) — 3/2/2021 @ 7:09 pm

    but also by changing the alphabet so that future generations could not read any that survived the burnings.

    Not of course the alphabet but the whole word writing. He also made the symbols more complicated and difficult to learn. or his Prime Minister did that.

    He kept one copy in his royal library but that was destroyed in the revolution that overthrew his government.

    There were four exceptions: books about medicine; books about agriculture; books about divination, which included astrology/astronomy, and I don’t remember what was the fourth.

    I think the text of the Confucian classics was probably distorted to make one or more fit into these categories. On other words we don’t have the original text.

    There were too few surviving books pf most other kinds.

    Sammy Finkelman (329d95)

  74. No. And perceived offense isn’t enough to matter. Book burning is wrong even if it’s Mao’s Little Red Book, the Communist Manifesto or the Anarchist’s Cookbook for extreme examples.

    NJRob (b17650)

  75. No. And perceived offense isn’t enough to matter. Book burning is wrong even if it’s Mao’s Little Red Book, the Communist Manifesto or the Anarchist’s Cookbook for extreme examples.

    NJRob (b17650) — 3/4/2021 @ 12:46 pm

    If you don’t think caricatures of Asians and Blacks that have a long history of being used to dehumanize them as part of the justification to deny them their rights is offensive then it makes sense that this issue would bother you.

    Seems like the people who own the rights to publish those books disagree with you.

    Time123 (daab2f)

  76. Or at least they’ve chosen this as the stated reason to stop publishing some his less popular works.

    Time123 (daab2f)

  77. Some thoughts on all this:

    First, Dr. Seuss estate can sell or not sell whatever books they want to. It isn’t book burning to decide to stop publishing works from 1937 and 1950. Most books from that era are not getting a reprint. They aren’t cancelling Green Eggs and Ham. They are not publishing 3rd and 4th tier stuff.

    I took a look at the Dr. Seuss images. You wouldn’t think to do this artwork now. You wouldn’t think to have your kids look at it if you remembered it was there. Is it offensive? I don’t think offense was meant by Dr. Seuss, but I think I would feel differently if I were African or Asian. (Dr. Seuss has some genuinely awful cartoons with African and Asian stereotypes — these aren’t they.)

    Ebay’s action, on the other hand, is typically inconsistent arbitrary woke nonsense. They aren’t in a position to control their sellers to keep the racist stuff off. There are over 600 auctions for stuff written by Thomas Dixon, a notorious racist but best selling author from the early 20th century. The covers on a number of these show Ku Klux Klan imagery:

    https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=thomas+dixon&_sacat=0

    Sax Rohmer, creator of a famous Asian supervillain (Fu Manchu) has over 2,400 auctions in play.

    https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1311&_nkw=sax+rohmer&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=thomas+dixon

    Appalled (1a17de)

  78. “FeeBay” is offensive; destroyed by Meg Whitman.

    A GOP conservative, of course.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)


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