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1/27/2021

Republican Party Courts Another Problem, and Her Name is Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:49 am



[guest post by Dana]

Piggybacking on yesterday’s post here, and asking, just how much of a problem does the GOP have? Well, look no further than newly-elected Trump-supporter Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, whom Trump referred to as “a future Republican star”:

Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene repeatedly indicated support for executing prominent Democratic politicians in 2018 and 2019 before being elected to Congress, a CNN KFile review of hundreds of posts and comments from Greene’s Facebook page shows.

Greene, who represents Georgia’s 14th Congressional District, frequently posted far-right extremist and debunked conspiracy theories on her page, including the baseless QAnon conspiracy which casts former President Donald Trump in an imagined battle against a sinister cabal of Democrats and celebrities who abuse children.

In one post, from January 2019, Greene liked a comment that said “a bullet to the head would be quicker” to remove House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In other posts, Greene liked comments about executing FBI agents who, in her eyes, were part of the “deep state” working against Trump.

In one Facebook post from April 2018, Greene wrote conspiratorially about the Iran Deal, one of former President Barack Obama’s signature foreign policy achievements. A commenter asked Greene, “Now do we get to hang them ?? Meaning H & O ???,” referring to Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Greene replied, “Stage is being set. Players are being put in place. We must be patient. This must be done perfectly or liberal judges would let them off.”

Rep. Greene’s response to inquiries about the report? Well, she didn’t exactly deny them. Rather she accused other people who apparently had access to her social media accounts of posting any number of these posts, and claimed that some of the posts didn’t represent her views. Finally, she suggested that CNN (Fake News) is attempting to cancel her. But of course. This ought to be part of the MAGA pledge: Never assume any responsibility for your own actions:

Rep. Greene is even a disgrace too far for Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy:

These comments are deeply disturbing and Leader McCarthy plans to have a conversation with the Congresswoman about them.

But is a “conversation” enough? Will Leader McCarthy make it plainly clear to her that her views are completely unacceptable and not welcome in the Republican Party?

When McCarthy stripped [Steve] King, then a Republican congressman from Iowa, of his committee assignments in 2019, he signaled he was setting a threshold for the public comments of his caucus members.

King had wondered publicly why terms like “white nationalism” and “white supremacy” had suddenly “become offensive.” [Ed. Who are these people??!!]

Whether Greene’s comments cross the same line remains to be seen.

If they don’t cross the same line, then we will know all we need to know about today’s Republican Party, and the immense influence Trump has had on it. Given there is no chance she will be expelled, without swift and public denouncement of Greene’s comments and even a public rebuke, the GOP will be signaling a lack of seriousness in cleaning their house. At the very least:

Which isn’t to say that Greene should be removed from Congress. While her views are noxious, they were plenty well-known by the voters of Georgia’s 14th district when they chose her as the Republican nominee.

But that doesn’t mean that the Republican Party should actively welcome Greene in their conference by providing her with committee assignments and the other benefits of being affiliated with the Republican Party. Because in so doing, they are condoning these sorts of views as somehow part of the broad spectrum of thought within the GOP.

And that is a very dangerous thing to do — if McCarthy and the rest of Republican leadership wants to have an actual national party going forward. Because a party that allows views like Greene’s to have a seat at the table isn’t one that should be taken seriously.

Meanwhile, Rep. Greene has otherwise been busy doing the people’s um, business:

Greene’s reputation as chief engineer on the Crazy Train was most firmly secured by her hustle in filing an article of impeachment against Joe Biden the day after his inauguration, in which she claimed that he had “abused the power of the Office of the Vice President, enabling bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors, by allowing his son to influence the domestic policy of a foreign nation and accept various benefits — including financial compensation — from foreign nationals in exchange for certain favors.”

Convince me that, as it currently stands, the Republican Party is in good health.

–Dana

140 Responses to “Republican Party Courts Another Problem, and Her Name is Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene”

  1. Oof!

    Dana (fd537d)

  2. This is a good litmus test. We’ll see what they do, but I don’t expect them to do very much.

    Time123 (b4d075)

  3. Unfortunately, I think they’re too far MAGA gone for anything substantial to happen. Too many members may have more common sense to not say stuff like this out loud, but I suspect the MAGA members think along similar lines as Greene.

    Dana (fd537d)

  4. I’ve updated the post title because I realized it was too close to yesterday’s post and this one might be getting lost in the sidebar margin.

    Dana (fd537d)

  5. Speaking of Q, here’s an example of one of the QAnon nutjobs who stormed the Capitol Building. As Trump said, QAnoners really like him. This is what has infested the GOP.
    Along those lines, this piece from NR shouldn’t have needed to be said, but it needed to be said.

    Our political debates are often necessarily contentious, but they must remain only metaphorically battles. Different stripes of conservatives can have productive arguments with one another about how to help families flourish, what the proper bounds of government are, and who should lead the Republican Party. But that debate must not partake of conspiratorial fantasies, and lawless violence must never be on the table. We must strive, against all demagogues, to make our reason the master and not the servant of our passions.

    Regrettably, the GOP is not Party of Reason, it’s the Party of Emotion.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  6. I’ve updated the post title because I realized it was too close to yesterday’s post and this one might be getting lost in the sidebar margin.

    Dana (fd537d) — 1/27/2021 @ 12:32 pm

    And with this you’ve exceeded Newsweek’s journalistic integrity. 😉

    Time123 (daab2f)

  7. If you really want to get a flavor of politically ill the GOP is, House Republicans have shown a lot more public anger and harsh words toward Liz Cheney than Marjorie Greene.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  8. Time123,

    Heh. That’s a pretty low bar there. I have no reason to not be transparent.

    Dana (fd537d)

  9. Good point, Paul. And when you consider that Cheney was standing up for the Constitution as well as her integrity, and Greene was making ugly and odious comments not acceptable in the mainstream, the contrast in responses becomes all the more damning to the GOP.

    Dana (fd537d)

  10. TRUMP/Greene 2024 What have you never trumpers got to offer that republicans would vote for?

    asset (df7460)

  11. Ethics, maturity, wisdom, character, competence, discipline…..you get the idea

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  12. Member of Extremist Group Pleads Guilty in Michigan Governor Kidnapping Plot
    One member of an anti-government group accused of plotting to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan last fall pleaded guilty on Wednesday in federal court, with documents revealing new details about the group’s plans to storm the Michigan Capitol and commit other violence.

    Ty G. Garbin, a 25-year-old airplane mechanic, agreed to testify against the other five defendants charged in federal court in Western Michigan, according to the plea agreement filed by prosecutors. Eight other men have been accused in state court of cooperating with the violent plans, and Mr. Garbin will serve as a witness against them, too, it said.
    ……
    Gary K. Springstead, the lead attorney defending Mr. Garbin, said his client already faced a life sentence for the kidnapping charge, a felony. Further charges for weapons or explosives were possible as federal officials released more details about what the group had done. The plea agreement could help lower the amount of jail time for the kidnapping plot and also stave off further charges, said Mr. Springstead.

    During the preliminary hearings last October, Mr. Springstead and other attorneys in the case had focused on the idea that the men were practicing their First and Second Amendment rights when denigrating the governor.

    The fact that the men had cased the governor’s house made any such defense much harder, he said. “There was a line that was crossed, something that you cannot undo,” the attorney said.
    …….
    I’m surprised that Trump didn’t pardon the Wolverine Watchmen of the federal charges.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  13. I’m just glad to see that so many people who claim to have given up on the Republican Party are still concerned enough with its well-being that they are willing to give it unsolicited advice on how best to manage its affairs.

    Jerryskids (999ce8)

  14. I admit to being curious where Qanon is going to go at this point. It looks like some state GOP parties are toying with trying to take it over and use it. You’d think there’d be a certain discouragement that Biden is now President and not in jail, but I am sure they’ll adapt. It’ll be Q in exile for awhile, biding the Return of the Trump.

    Victor (4959fb)

  15. GOP to stay neutral should Trump run again

    The head of the Republican National Committee on Wednesday declined to encourage former President Donald Trump to run for the White House in 2024, saying the GOP would stay “neutral” in its next presidential primary.
    ……
    “The party has to stay neutral. I’m not telling anybody to run or not to run in 2024,” McDaniel told The Associated Press when asked whether she wanted to see Trump run again in the next presidential election. “That’s going to be up to those candidates going forward. What I really do want to see him do, though, is help us win back majorities in 2022.”
    …..
    In the interview, McDaniel called for Republican unity and discouraged elected officials from attacking other Republicans — even those who voted to impeach Trump. She declined to single out any specific Republicans when pressed, however, including Trump loyalist Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., who is traveling to Wyoming this week to campaign against Rep. Liz Cheney, the highest ranking House Republican that supported Trump’s impeachment.

    “If we’re fighting each other every day and attacking each other and brandishing party purism, we’re not going to accomplish what we need to to win back the House and take back the Senate, and that’s my priority,” McDaniel said.

    She also forcefully condemned the pro-Trump QAnon movement, a large group of conspiracy theorists who were a visible presence at the Capitol insurrection on Jan. 6. Trump repeatedly declined to denounce the group while in the White House.

    “I think it’s really important after what’s just happened in our country that we have some self reflection on the violence that’s continuing to erupt in our country,” McDaniel said. “I think QAnon is beyond fringe. I think it’s dangerous.”
    …….

    We’ll see how long it takes her to walk back this interview. At least a day.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  16. I remember when the authors of this blog talked about how they would keep Biden’s feet to the fire. Soon, I hope.

    I will repeat: if you don’t like what is happening in the GOP, and you just quit, you are still aprt of the problem even if you nag. If you want to be part of the solution either get in there and try to change the party or form a new one. If you really believe that large numbers of the former GOP are just looking for somewhere else to go, provide them with it.

    It can be done for a few thousand dollars in California. Especially if you can use the press. Other states (like mine) are harder to get started, but if there is this groundswell that you claim, that would happen once it starts somewhere that reporters notice.

    As it is, when you just quit, you give the morons free reign. You are either part of the problem, or part of the solution. Which do you thing quitting is?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  17. I have no doubt that the current GOP is ill, possibly fatally so. Saying it over and over is tiring though. Right now, the only way to oppose them is to vote for an increasingly sick Democrat Party. You may not see them as sick because you don’t really pay much attention to the battles on the Left, but they are no more well than the GOP.

    Watch Biden morph into Bernie as the year goes on, and you will see that the two parties do not offer any answers for most voters. It has become a contest of fringes, with the vast majority of people wondering WTF.

    There is no “them” there is only “us”.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  18. TRUMP/Greene 2024 What have you never trumpers got to offer that republicans would vote for?

    That does exemplify the problem with the GOP, that Republicans would vote for that odious pair.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  19. RIP Gregory Sierra (83)

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  20. R.I.P. Cloris Leachman

    Icy (6abb50)

  21. Kevin McCarthy will be making a pilgrimage to Mar A Lago to bow before his Orange Leader, make a Loyalty Offering to atone for his placing responsibility on Trump for the 1/6 domestic terror attack, and await further instructions.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  22. RIP Cloris Leachman (94).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  23. Yet, five years ago, McCarthy had a different opinion about Trump…

    KIEV, Ukraine — A month before Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination, one of his closest allies in Congress — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy — made a politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill with his fellow GOP leaders: that Trump could be the beneficiary of payments from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

    House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.

    Problems with the GOP, there are many.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  24. During the first impeachment hearings, we learned about how the indicted Giuliani associate Lev Parnas donated money to Kevin McCarthy, and probably with washed or laundered funds.

    WASHINGTON — House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said on Thursday that he’d return campaign donations from a pair of Ukrainian-Americans working with Rudy Giuliani to boost President Trump after the two men were arrested for allegedly violating campaign finance laws.

    McCarthy (R-Calif.) and the National Republican Congressional Committee, House Republicans’ main campaign organization, received substantial donations from Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, a pair of businessmen who have been working with Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer, in his push to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden.

    The men were arrested Wednesday and charged with allegedly funneling illegal campaign contributions to a Trump-friendly super PAC as well as other candidates.

    The donations to McCarthy and the GOP were listed as made by Parnas on June 29 2018, and totaled $17,000: $2,700 directly to McCarthy, $3,300 to the NRCC, and $11,000 to Protect the House, a joint fundraising committee whose beneficiaries include McCarthy and the NRCC. That donation appears to line up with a $11,000 contribution mentioned in the indictment for an unidentified “Committee 3.” An “Igor Furman,” meanwhile, made a $100,000 donation to the same committee just weeks earlier. The indictment alleges that “Furman” is in fact Igor Fruman, who intentionally misspelled his name to cover his tracks. The Parnas donations, the indictment alleges, were pass-through donations from Fruman as well, who’d already given the legal maximum to the committee with his first donation.

    Mr. McCarthy is now the 2nd highest ranking elected Republican in the country and leader of his caucus, who spiraled downward to compromised Trump tool.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  25. And instead of dealing with the divisions in the GOP, such as a number of members’ proclamations of a “stolen” election, McCarthy is now telling members to shut their pieholes, this after over a week of attacks on the ten members who voted to impeach and conveniently timed to shield criticism of the QAnon nut from Georgia.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  26. Will Leader McCarthy make it plainly clear to her that her views are completely unacceptable and not welcome in the Republican Party?

    U funny.

    Dave (1bb933)

  27. Fascist pom-pom girl Nikki Haley is, like, kinda bummed about the sacking of the capital by a white-supremacist mob, and her Dear Leader’s 10-week campaign to perpetrate election fraud on a massive scale.

    January 6th was a tough day. The actions of the president since Election Day were not his finest.

    In other news, Officer Sicknick of the Capitol Police isn’t feeling his best.

    Dave (1bb933)

  28. Fascist pom-pom girl Nikki Haley is, like, kinda bummed about the sacking of the capital by a white-supremacist mob….

    And yet so many here are in love with her …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  29. I once mistook her for a serious person myself.

    Dave (1bb933)

  30. Yes, I’m disappointed by Haley’s subdued reaction….but until Dave and Rip become substantial GOP donors, this is where we are at. Heck, there’s not even a brewing majority in the Senate that finds Trump’s behavior troubling enough to find that a trial is both necessary and proper. As many mothers used to caution, sometimes it’s better to say nothing than try to say what’s on your mind. I would prefer something short and solemn if she must. Of course, does she plan to be Trump-light or not-Trump? She still remains the best of the rest…given that Romney’s time has passed.

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  31. RIP Cloris Leachman

    First woman on Lars.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  32. I see two ways of rescuing people from the cult of Trump. One way is for leaders on the right to take a principled stand like Romney and Cheney have done. (Alas, leaders of this caliber seem to be in short supply. Is being a Senator or Representative so lucrative or fulfilling that people who know better will jump on the Trump train? Apparently so.)

    The other way is to change hearts and minds through ordinary discourse. This will entail millions of conversations and messages, and not a few letters to the editor.

    norcal (b4d7b1)

  33. Donald Trump is still not President.

    nk (1d9030)

  34. @32.‘I see no way of rescuing people from the cult of Reagan. No way can “leaders” on the right accept their betraying principled stand- like Pierre Delecto and Darthette Cheney- has been wholly left behind havn watered the seeds of populism. (Alas, leaders of this caliber have betrayed the very people they seek support from one time too many.) Is being a Senator or Representative so lucrative or fulfilling that people who know better will jump on the Trump train? Ask Cruz. Or Hawley.’

    FIFY.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  35. @28. Just the wise ones.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  36. Like a modern-day Don Quixote, Deezy Eska tilts at Reagan windmills.

    norcal (b4d7b1)

  37. norcal (b4d7b1) — 1/27/2021 @ 4:15 pm

    What we need is for an icon of the party, Romney seems like a good candidate, to have a solemn moment on national TV. He needs to have a heart to heart and explain to R voters that unrestricted immigration is going to happen, healthcare is going to get more expensive, taxes are going to go up, energy costs are going to go up, the US is going to continue to pour lives and money into foreign wars, education will get more expensive, social security isn’t going to hold out, the debt will go up, the middle class is going to disappear, and small businesses aren’t going to recover from the lockdowns because R’s have principles and that these principles are more important than all of those other things. Those principles are more important than any job any lost or being buried under perpetual debt. He doesn’t need to explain the principles. It’s important only that he, and other wise and principled R’s, have them and that R voters keep voting for the wise and principled aristocracy.

    frosty (f27e97)

  38. but until ……. Rip become(s) substantial GOP donors, this is where we are at…..

    You have no idea how much I have given, mostly through dark money groups.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  39. Goodnight, Frau Blucher.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  40. ‘He’s Saying One Thing and Then He’s Doing Another.’ Rep. Madison Cawthorn Peddles a Different Kind of Trumpism in a Post-Trump World
    As the Trump Administration drew to a close, Republican legislators and aides were forced to choose a side. They could either distance themselves from a twice-impeached President who instigated an insurrection at the U.S. Capitol Building after claiming, baselessly, that his electoral victory was stolen, or they could continue to embrace Donald Trump’s brand of scorched-earth populism well after President Joe Biden redecorated 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
    ……..
    Newly elected 25-year-old Congressman Madison Cawthorn has taken a different approach: he’s trying to have it both ways. One day, he’s preaching about respecting the office of the Presidency and vowing to work across the aisle with Democratic colleagues. The next, he’s trumpeting dangerous conspiracies to right-wing crowds and commentators. While offering different messages to different audiences is hardly unique inside the Beltway, Cawthorn’s brand of shape-shifting is emblematic of this broader moment in national politics. As the Trump era ends, the Republican Party is struggling to chart a future course in which it both retains the support of Trump’s expansive base, while jettisoning the controversial former President.
    …….
    When the Capitol was breached, forcing lawmakers to take shelter behind wooden furniture and in crudely barricaded offices, Cawthorn called into conservative talk show host Charlie Kirk’s live podcast, where he suggested that his wheelchair allowed him to carry “multiple weapons” and entertained a radical conspiracy theory that the riot was carried out by actors planted by the left. “I believe that this was agitators strategically placed inside of this group—you can call them antifa, you can call them people paid by the Democratic machine,” he said. (There is no evidence of this, according to the FBI.) When the teargas cleared, Cawthorn returned to the House floor, where he joined more than 120 fellow Republicans in voting to support objections to Biden’s electoral victories in Arizona and Pennsylvania.

    Less than 24-hours later, Cawthorn appeared to do a 180—sort of. “What occurred on Capitol Hill was a perversion of patriotism,” the new Congressman tweeted on Jan. 7. Urging supporters to march to the Capitol was a “mistake on behalf of the president,” he told a local news channel. On Jan. 20, Cawthorn joined 16 other Republican freshmen in signing a letter congratulating Biden and expressed a desire to work with his Administration and “rise above the partisan fray,” and on Jan. 23, Cawthorn publicly condoned the election results after failing to come up with strong examples of fraud on air. “I think I would say that the election was not fraudulent,” he told CNN, adding, “I would say that Joseph R. Biden is our president.”
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  41. Watching her troll that kid who survived the shooting, getting mad he’s ignoring her, then basically announcing she also has a gun on her, just to troll him as much as she could, really really pisses me off. And that takes a lot these days. I don’t expect anything from politicians. I don’t expect anything from Biden, Mcconnell, Pelosi, or Trump. But chasing a kid around trying to evoke his fear to get a good reaction makes Trump look like a swell fella.

    These grifters… some of them are just evil, plain and simple.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  42. Greene is not only that deep and inpenetrable stupid you come across occasionally that seems to hate everything good, she defeated John Cowan in her primary, and he is a freaking neurosurgeon.

    The GOP is ridiculous. Trump fans are laughing about their Patriot party, and how it will destroy the GOP. So what?

    Dustin (4237e0)

  43. I’ll take some of the responsibility for the way the tarmac lizard treated David Hogg (regardless of whether Kevin McCarthy thinks I should). I was one of the people who disrespected him after the Stoneman Douglas school shooting, in a way that would encourage truck-stop queens.

    nk (1d9030)

  44. Hogg is a child, Greene is not a child. One of them is acting like an (misinformed) adult, the other a complete [bad word].

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  45. I get being annoyed with an annoying young man. I am annoyed with young men all the freaking time actually.

    It’s a little different to chase him around asking him about the active shooter who killed his friends, getting mad he’s ignoring you, telling him you have a gun on you while you’re freaking out at him.

    I know what Greene was trying to do with all that. It angers me no one got in her way and shut her down.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  46. What we need is for an icon of the party, Romney seems like a good candidate, to have a solemn moment on national TV. He needs to have a heart to heart and explain to R voters that unrestricted immigration is going to happen, healthcare is going to get more expensive, taxes are going to go up, energy costs are going to go up, the US is going to continue to pour lives and money into foreign wars, education will get more expensive, social security isn’t going to hold out, the debt will go up, the middle class is going to disappear, and small businesses aren’t going to recover from the lockdowns because R’s have principles and that these principles are more important than all of those other things. Those principles are more important than any job any lost or being buried under perpetual debt. He doesn’t need to explain the principles. It’s important only that he, and other wise and principled R’s, have them and that R voters keep voting for the wise and principled aristocracy.

    frosty (f27e97) — 1/27/2021 @ 5:17 pm

    When they’re not too busy getting the SEC to go after Reddit autists who ruined some of their naked short-selling fun in destroying businesses to sell them piecemeal after they’re bankrupted.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  47. NJRob (eb56c3) — 1/27/2021 @ 9:53 pm

    When they’re not too busy getting the SEC to go after Reddit autists who ruined some of their naked short-selling fun in destroying businesses to sell them piecemeal after they’re bankrupted.

    That situation is hilarious. And I can’t think of a better waste of the SEC’s time than chasing that rabbit.

    frosty (f27e97)

  48. I’ll post this on this thread too. It’s really unsurprising, and I expect the numbers will continue to go up:

    More than 30,000 voters who had been registered members of the Republican Party have changed their voter registration in the weeks after a mob of pro-Trump supporters attacked the Capitol – an issue that led the House to impeach the former president for inciting the violence.

    The massive wave of defections is a virtually unprecedented exodus that could spell trouble for a party that is trying to find its way after losing the presidential race and the Senate majority.

    It could also represent the tip of a much larger iceberg: The 30,000 who have left the Republican Party reside in just a few states that report voter registration data, and information about voters switching between parties, on a weekly basis.

    Voters switching parties is not unheard of, but the data show that in the first weeks of the year, far more Republicans have changed their voter registrations than Democrats. Many voters are changing their affiliation in key swing states that were at the heart of the battle for the White House and control of Congress.

    Dana (fd537d)

  49. Dana,

    you do realize a lot of those voters are also Trump supporters who are disgusted with the party for allowing and supporting Republicans who try and cancel their vote by impeaching Trump, right?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  50. 30,000 WOW! Did any of them vote for trump? GOP is now down to 74,970,000!

    asset (061e8d)

  51. One of two things need to happen.

    1) Trump leads his people out of the GOP and forms the Patriot Party. This is ideal, but I see no reason why they should when the bulk of the GOP is willing to beg and whimper.

    2) Romney leads his 5 senators and 40 or so Congressfolk out of the GOP and forms some other party. The Center Party. The Federal Party. The Sane Party. Something. It probably won
    ‘t be a principled conservative party, since with the two major parties heading for the far fringes it just has to exist in the center someplace. The field legislative candidates who refuse to follow the radicals in both parties and whoo what the People want.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  52. *TheN field

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  53. More than 30,000 voters.

    Out of maybe 50 million (hard to say given that not all states allow stating a party) that’s not all that many. I think the Libertarians got that may votes in California alone.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  54. The inherent problem (which must be overcome), with remote learning is made apparent if you look at such things as cooking shows and science shows:

    The best cooking shows where one is most likely to learn how to cook, are those that ask the viewer to actually cook along with them in real time. the instructor will also anticipate the common mistakes a novice will commit and explain how such an error happens, what it looks like, and how to avoid it in the future. The novice learns by watching, listening, and doing, but most critically, by interaction. There is no substitute for being present to a teacher and a teacher present to a student.

    @DCSCA:

    Quite right! The format and projects were key to its popularity, but the limitations of the TV show are made apparent by the needed (and desired, of course) formation of all those clubs, where people were able to be physically present, because interaction.

    Speaking of format, it may be that the worst results from remote teaching, may be due to placing too much emphasis on talking about a subject, at the expense of doing a subject. For example, math. Talking about math is not the same as doing math.

    Dana, thank you for pointing out that homeschooling is different from remote learning! I invite anyone who actually home-schools a child, to give us a first-hand account of what it entails. Both the good and the bad. I should think that the most obvious good is the teacher-to-student(s) ratio.

    felipe (630e0b)

  55. Dog-gonit! wrong thread!

    felipe (630e0b)

  56. Assuming every House Dem votes to expel her, they would need roughly 68 GOP House member to join. Her congressional district is deep red, so its not like the GOP will lose a seat if MTG gets expelled from Congress. I think most Trump voters would vote for any GOPer that would replace her. So, I don’t get why McCarthy and the House GOP is so reluctant to give her the boot.

    At this point though, I don’t much very high expectations for the House GOP, so its a safe bet that she’s staying put, unfortunately.

    HCI (92ea66)

  57. What we need is for an icon of the party, Romney seems like a good candidate, to have a solemn moment on national TV. He needs to have a heart to heart and explain to R voters that unrestricted immigration is going to happen, healthcare is going to get more expensive, taxes are going to go up, energy costs are going to go up, the US is going to continue to pour lives and money into foreign wars, education will get more expensive, social security isn’t going to hold out, the debt will go up, the middle class is going to disappear, and small businesses aren’t going to recover from the lockdowns because R’s have principles and that these principles are more important than all of those other things. Those principles are more important than any job any lost or being buried under perpetual debt. He doesn’t need to explain the principles. It’s important only that he, and other wise and principled R’s, have them and that R voters keep voting for the wise and principled aristocracy.

    frosty (f27e97) — 1/27/2021 @ 5:17 pm

    Well, we tried the opposite of that. Trump, incapable of solemnity, walked up and promised to fix all of that for free. He convinced his marks not only that his lack of principles made him uniquely qualified to do this but also that it was traitorous to the party to worry about principles.

    After 4 years Trump fixed none of that, but did leave his marks with the lasting belief that anyone who worried about principles, or ‘muh principles’ as they often called them was a ‘cuck’.

    On top of that we can pile is corruption and attack on democratic norms and institutions.

    But at least he fought with the media on twitter.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  58. NJRob (eb56c3) — 1/27/2021 @ 9:53 pm

    When they’re not too busy getting the SEC to go after Reddit autists who ruined some of their naked short-selling fun in destroying businesses to sell them piecemeal after they’re bankrupted.

    That situation is hilarious. And I can’t think of a better waste of the SEC’s time than chasing that rabbit.

    frosty (f27e97) — 1/27/2021 @ 10:12 pm

    I would like to see the SEC’s funding increased and insider trading investigation being made a much higher priority. The focus should be on trades made by public officials or based on information from public officials.

    I would also like my abs to be more defined by eating carbs.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  59. Thinking about this from a different angle: what does her district look like? Has it been gerrymandered?

    One of the drawbacks to gerrymandering districts to carve out “safe” seats for GOP can be situations like this. No need to have a centrist candidate who can attract the most votes. You can have someone like her get elected without a need to moderate.

    Hoi Polloi (139bf6)

  60. Thinking about this from a different angle: what does her district look like? Has it been gerrymandered?

    One of the drawbacks to gerrymandering districts to carve out “safe” seats for GOP can be situations like this. No need to have a centrist candidate who can attract the most votes. You can have someone like her get elected without a need to moderate.

    Hoi Polloi (139bf6) — 1/28/2021 @ 5:27 am

    I think this is the major flaw in Gerrymandering. Her seat was determined in the primary. The people that vote in the primary tend to be those most politically engaged. There aren’t as many of them so turnout is key. So we’re getting more and more candidates for whom the key to winning is turning out the base. This means that a huge part of winning isn’t accomplishing things, it’s passionately fighting for a position that may never come to pass.

    Cawthorn’s outsized focus on messaging isn’t incidental to his rise to power; it is central to his success. As a new legislator, he is not working on churning out new bills. He is, instead, presenting himself as a useful messaging megaphone for the legislators that do. “I have built my staff around comms rather than legislation,” he wrote to Republican colleagues in a Jan. 19 email obtained by TIME.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  61. #60

    The 14th district was drawn to be extremely Republican. There is a large Hispanic population in Dalton (carpet mills), but not enough to offset the gigantic sea of red in the district. Green lived in Alpharetta (Atlanta suburb), but ran in the district when the long-time incumbent retired.

    Dalton was where Trump held his last in-state rally before the Senate election. This should give you some idea of the nature of the electorate.

    I don’t like expelling this woman for indulging in free (if nasty) speech prior to her election. The CNN stuff is nasty, but it was well known that Greene was a Q-Anon person. She was elected anyway.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  62. I don’t like expelling this woman for indulging in free (if nasty) speech prior to her election. The CNN stuff is nasty, but it was well known that Greene was a Q-Anon person. She was elected anyway.

    100% agree because democracy rests on the consent of the governed. If people want a disgusting and apparently insane representative they need to be able to elect her and have her serve.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  63. . This must be done perfectly or liberal judges would let them off.”

    That sounds like she’s assuming due process of law. I think you can’t read it any other way. Judges do not “let people off” from a lynching.

    Convince me that, as it currently stands, the Republican Party is in good health.

    The only thing we can yet is that the prognosis is not yet clear. It could still go either way.

    The incorrect factual assertions in the impeachment resolution aren’t helping. Trump’s South Carolina lawyers will have a field day with them. Unless maybe they claim Antifa was involved, rather than American front groups for The Base (al Qaeda for Christians) whose leader lives in St. Petersburg, which in turn is a front group the Russian Imperial Movement, which in turn is a front group for Russian intelligence (it can hardly be anything else.)

    @41 Rip Murdock Well, we see here that Madison Cawthorn is totally dishonest, but we could have guessed that anyway. What he says sometimes is worse than merely dishonest, though because it’s edging toward supporting crimes.

    Sammy Finkelman (015e49)

  64. St. Petersburg, Russia, of course.

    I doubt that the Russian Imperial Movement or “the Base” were among the things that President Joe Biden complained about to Valdimir Putin in his phone call the other day. The FBI is too busy investigating to come to any conclusion.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/terrorist-label-white-supremacy-Russian-Imperial-Movement.html

    Fighting domestic terrorism, including violent white nationalists, has become a priority for the F.B.I. Federal and local authorities have made a wave of arrests in recent months, targeting members of two neo-Nazi groups called Atomwaffen Division and The Base.

    The F.B.I. has been investigating whether the leader of The Base, who lives in St. Petersburg, has any ties to the Russian government’s security or intelligence services, former law enforcement officials said.

    Now what you rank the probability that The Base, has any ties to the Russian government’s security or intelligence services.

    whether !

    This should be a counterintelligence investigation more than a criminal investigation. What, are you going to indict Putin or anybody in Russian intelligence? Mueller tried that, I know.

    Sammy Finkelman (015e49)

  65. It’s all so much bluster.

    No one who aligned themselves with the party of Sheila Jackson Lee, Debbie-Wasserman Schulz, and Alexandra-Ocasio Cortez should have any grounds to whine, complain, and opine on the doings of some 3-named woman from a safe district who spouts dangerous, violent conspiracy theories in Congress. The only reason we don’t have similarly violent stories from them is the 24-7 media protection afforded the Democrat party representatives. You know this is true, and cannot deny it.

    Such is as it has been, such is as it always was. You know exactly what she’s doing and why. Further comment would be superfluous.

    Triple Name Femme (cdc51f)

  66. Frosty @38, “Those principles are more important than any job any lost or being buried under perpetual debt. He doesn’t need to explain the principles. It’s important only that he, and other wise and principled R’s, have them and that R voters keep voting for the wise and principled aristocracy”

    I keep rereading this entire post trying to clearly understand what you are advocating? Obviously you believe that conservative principles are not the end goal….at some point government must be effective….and perhaps you are leaving open a populist…nationalist….third way. I don’t know…you do a lot of beating around the bush. Has trade protectionism brought down the trade deficit…or has it increased it? Has China been beaten by tariffs….or are we punishing our own people with higher costs and more government debt from subsidies? Has a hyper focus on replacing border fencing by new border obstacles done anything much to change the economic forces of illegal immigration? Did Trump fundamentally build a consensus for any of his ideas? It seems unlikely since he lost to a very weak opponent.

    The problem that you keep skirting around is that we need people of character in our leadership positions. This idea that character doesn’t matter…provided your policy preference is getting elevated….is short sighted. Trump has attacked so many institutions that need to matter in our society. The FBI is now corrupt and investigations can’t be trusted. The Justice Department is corrupt in that too many good people are wrongly convicted and bad people…like teh supervillain Hunter Biden… are left alone. Any news that is unfavorable is now “fake news”…even clear facts must be spun to create a new reality. The vote can no longer be trusted….and losing an election is not the end but the start of more struggle. The President’s enablers also believe that the President should consult with foreign powers to find dirt on his political opponents….and that obstruction of justice is just criminalizing politics. You just don;t seem to understand why conservatives actually oppose Trump…it remains this deep mystery…despite a lot of evidence.

    So I just don’t get your post…and I’m pretty sure…unfortunately…you won’t get mine….

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  67. Dustin (4237e0) — 1/27/2021 @ 6:13 pm

    and he is a freaking neurosurgeon.

    Ah, there’s that whiff of elitism. No claims that he was honest or had good policies just “freaking neurosurgeon”. He does look like the better candidate but not because he was a neurosurgeon.

    frosty (f27e97)

  68. Rashida Tlaib
    @RashidaTlaib
    · Jan 26
    Happy birthday to Dr. Angela Davis!

    “I feel that if we don’t take seriously the ways in which racism is embedded in structures of institutions, if we assume that there must be an identifiable racist who is the perpetrator, then we won’t ever succeed in eradicating racism.”

    “David Hines
    @hradzka
    ·
    👎
    : storming the Capitol
    👍
    : providing weapons for a hostage-taking that culminates in a judge getting shot in the face”

    Spare us all the whining about VIOLENT RHETORIC. Congress is full of people who are, as they say, “asking for it every day, good and hard.”

    Gamestop Shorter (449631)

  69. It’s quite possible that she accurately represents her constituents. This is a R+29 district. The area in the NW corner of GA has always had hard right representatives.

    Bob Barr represented the area 1993-2002. Before 1993 it was a Democrat area, but only for a certain kind of Democrat. Larry MacDonald (who died on KAL 007) represented it 1975-1983. SHortly b efore his death he was elected to replace Robert Welch as head of the John Birch Society.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  70. and he is a freaking neurosurgeon.

    Larry MacDonald was a urologist.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  71. Spare us all the whining about VIOLENT RHETORIC. Congress is full of people who are, as they say, “asking for it every day, good and hard.”

    Gamestop Shorter (449631) — 1/28/2021 @ 8:09 am

    I’m not criticizing her for that. I’m criticizing her for being a lunatic.

    Parkland and Sandy hook were faked? Hillary Clinton skinned a child and wore their face like a mask?

    this are not the honest statements of a well mind.

    Time123 (653992)

  72. I don’t like expelling this woman for indulging in free (if nasty) speech prior to her election. The CNN stuff is nasty, but it was well known that Greene was a Q-Anon person. She was elected anyway.

    It would have been unconstitutional not to seat her for that reason, but they could expel her with a 2/3rds vote. Won’t happen. Cynthia McKinney said things just as bad, as have a number of Black reps influenced by antisemitism.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  73. A reporter tried to ask Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene about her false claims. The journalist was threatened with arrest
    At a town hall meeting on Wednesday, WRCB reporter Meredith Aldis wanted to ask Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) a question about the fierce blowback she has faced this week over old social media posts that promoted baseless claims and endorsed violence.

    But when Aldis tried to ask her question at the meeting in Dalton, Ga., Greene rebuffed her.

    “I’m talking to my constituents,” Greene said, refusing to listen to the reporter’s question or offer any response.

    Then, staffers from Greene’s office told the reporter she had “caused a disturbance” and demanded that she and her team leave, WRCB reported Wednesday night. A sheriff’s deputy threatened to arrest Aldis and her crew for trespassing at the public town hall, which reporters had been invited to attend, the station reported.
    ……..
    …….Her office also defended the decision on Wednesday to kick Aldis out of the town hall.

    “This was a town hall for constituents. Not a press conference,” Nick Dyer, a spokesman for Greene’s office, told The Washington Post in an email. “Every attendee (besides media) was allowed to ask a question and Congresswoman Greene answered every question.”

    But according to WRCB, an NBC affiliate in Chattanooga, Tenn., the reporters had credentials to attend the event and were told only after arriving that they would not be allowed to ask questions of Greene or anyone else at the town hall. The station also reported that Dalton residents had to register to attend the event and submit their questions for Greene in advance.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4)

  74. Man arrested with explosives may have been targeting Gov. Newsom, authorities say

    A suspected far-right extremist and radicalized supporter of former President Trump facing federal explosives charges may have been targeting California Gov. Gavin Newsom and the San Francisco Bay Area headquarters of social media giants Twitter and Facebook, according to the FBI.

    Federal prosecutors charged Ian Benjamin Rogers, 43, of Napa County, with possessing five homemade pipe bombs that investigators found when they searched his home and auto repair business Jan. 15. They also confiscated additional bomb-making material along with 49 firearms and thousands of rounds of ammunition.
    …….
    FBI Special Agent Stephanie Minor, who is part of the agency’s domestic terrorism squad in San Francisco, said the texts were indications of his targets.

    “I believe that when Rogers said, ‘sac office first target,’ he meant that their first target should be the offices of California Governor Gavin Newsom in Sacramento. I further believe that when Rogers said that the ‘bird and face’ offices would be next, he meant the offices of Twitter (‘bird’) and Facebook (‘face’), because both social media platforms had locked Trump’s accounts to prevent him from sending messages on those platforms,” according to the affidavit, which was released by the office of David L. Anderson, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of California.

    Rogers also stated in a text that he was “not going down without a fight,” according to the federal criminal complaint.
    …….
    Inside a safe at Rogers’ auto shop, five pipe bombs were also found, Wofford said. In all, authorities seized 49 guns and 15,000 rounds of ammunition. Wofford said many of those guns are probably illegal in California, including a “very high power machine gun.”
    …….
    Napa County Dist. Atty. Allison Haley said that Rogers is also facing 28 felony charges in state court for possession of the explosives and weapons, including possession of an illegal silencer and multiple unregistered assault weapons.

    Haley said the pipe bombs were made out of galvanized steel, had both end caps and fuses, could kill people in a 5-foot range and injure those in a 25-foot range. After his arrest, Rogers told investigators that he had built the pipe bombs, but said that they were for entertainment purposes only, according to the affidavit.

    In addition to the weapons, investigators also found what Haley described as a “go-bag,” which contained weapons, ammunition, body armor, face masks and a grappling hook. Rogers is scheduled for an arraignment on the state charges Jan. 29. If convicted, he faces 30 years in prison.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4)

  75. AJ_Liberty (a4ff25) — 1/28/2021 @ 7:55 am

    So I just don’t get your post…and I’m pretty sure…unfortunately…you won’t get mine….

    No, I get it just fine. I think you’re having an issue with a limited number of filters. Things have to be Trump/noTrump, the old status quo/neopopulism, etc. You read my post and ask is he saying A or B. You’re having trouble because it doesn’t exactly match with either one and you don’t have a C. You think I’m saying character doesn’t matter when I’m saying no such thing.

    The problem that you keep skirting around is that we need people of character in our leadership positions.

    I’m not skirting around this at all. I’m saying exactly this but I’m also saying whoever these people are we haven’t found them yet. I think I linked the George Carlin quote in another thread.

    The R party line has been using a reworked aristocratic model that doesn’t have the obvious flaws, e.g. primogeniture, etc. Romney is the son of a politician, he was born into politics. Same with the Bushes, we’re seeing it with Cheney. And this isn’t just R’s. It looks like politicians shop around for a district where they can be elected but it’s just a modern version of landed gentry being given a title and responsibility for an area. In this model, they don’t need actual principals. They just need to make a claim to them. The democratic process does the rest and has replaced the divine right of kings. This is why it is so important to establish that Trump wasn’t legitimately elected and that Biden was. The entire edifice depends on people’s faith in the system. But these politicians don’t even imagine that they represent “We the People”.

    Yes, we need people of character in leadership positions. I not convinced we’ve found them. Based on what people keep pointing to as honorable people of character I don’t think most people even know what they are looking for. For example,

    Trump has attacked so many institutions that need to matter in our society.

    That wasn’t just Trump. There were two sides to that story and on the other side are a lot of people being held out as people of character. Those people of character had the opportunity to go after Trump the right way but we’ve seen them be unprincipled, petty, small, dishonorable, selfish, and not very intelligent. We found out that the CIA, FBI, and DOJ are rotten at the core. We found out the press will lie and that they see their duty as shaping opinion. All of those institutions were like so much rotted wood with a layer of paint. They had rotted before Trump showed up. If they would have been solid Trump would have hit them and bounced off.

    frosty (f27e97)

  76. Frosty, There are degrees of bad character. If W was a 4 Trump is a 9 and added incompetency and a poor work ethic.

    Time123 (653992)

  77. Kevin McCarthy is meetin with Donald Trump today. To discuss what?

    Sammy Finkelman (7bb55f)

  78. 35 years ago today

    Rip Murdock (bea13b)

  79. Time123 (653992) — 1/28/2021 @ 9:02 am

    It’s fine to cite the past. Are you suggesting we pull W out of retirement?

    Most of what I see lately is some version of Trump destroyed faith in our institutions and if only people would believe again things would be fine. We don’t need that. What we need is to actually fix the institutions. Otherwise, it’s just the orthodox of the old faith fighting the heretics.

    frosty (f27e97)

  80. Kevin McCarthy is meetin with Donald Trump today. To discuss what?

    Dibs on Melania.

    nk (1d9030)

  81. https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1354491102276022272

    John Kerry tells American citizens their jobs are obsolete comrade. You will do what we say and like it. To the bread lines for you.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  82. Time123 (653992) — 1/28/2021 @ 9:02 am

    It’s fine to cite the past. Are you suggesting we pull W out of retirement?

    Most of what I see lately is some version of Trump destroyed faith in our institutions and if only people would believe again things would be fine. We don’t need that. What we need is to actually fix the institutions. Otherwise, it’s just the orthodox of the old faith fighting the heretics.

    frosty (f27e97) — 1/28/2021 @ 9:29 am

    No, i pointing out that just because Romney, Green, whoever have flaws doesn’t mean they’re worthless. It seemed like you were setting up the perfect to be the enemy of the good. Dewine from Ohio has flaws (one being his age) but he’d me a better choice then Hawley or Cruz.

    Additionally, it’s not faith in institution in and of themselves, it’s that the faith in institutions has been destroy far in excess of their flaws. Voting isn’t perfect but the data so far is that fraud/error is in the 1/10 of a percent range. Not the 10’s of thousand of votes range.

    I’m not looking GOP leaders to sing Kumbaya, I’m looking for them to tell the public what the facts are showing; no evidence of wide spread fraud, and 2020 was as fair and accurate as any of our past elections. The DOJ has flaws, but so far it doesn’t look like they were motivated to get Trump for political reasons.

    Instead we get “Hugo Chavez created dominion to steal elections and Hillary Clinton skinned a child to make a mask from it’s face.”

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  83. Kevin McCarthy is meetin with Donald Trump today. To discuss what?

    Dibs on Melania.

    nk (1d9030) — 1/28/2021 @ 9:33 am

    crude jokes about presidential spouses are gross.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  84. I remember when the authors of this blog talked about how they would keep Biden’s feet to the fire. Soon, I hope.

    I will repeat: if you don’t like what is happening in the GOP, and you just quit, you are still aprt of the problem even if you nag. If you want to be part of the solution either get in there and try to change the party or form a new one. If you really believe that large numbers of the former GOP are just looking for somewhere else to go, provide them with it.

    As it is, when you just quit, you give the morons free reign. You are either part of the problem, or part of the solution. Which do you thing quitting is?

    I take offense at your comment, Kevin M. Let me just reiterate what I’ve made clear many times before: I’ll write about what I want when I want. Joe Biden has been in office for one week. Trump has wreaked havoc on the country for 4 years.

    There is an arrogance in one reducing a very personal and not insignificant decision into a binary choice: If you leave the party, you’re part of the problem. How Trumpian to make such a standard, an either/or when, frankly, it’s not.

    Consider if I said: By remaining in the Republican Party, you’re part of the problem because you are giving tacit approval to every unlawful thing that a sitting Republican president did? By remaining in the Republican Party, you are also showing your support for the vast majority of Congresspeople and members that are defending him by voting against impeachment and/or conviction? By remaining in the Republican Party, you’re part of the problem because you encourage the current demise of the party by your willingness to continue to play along with their program. By remaining in the party, you are showing your support for the Q members, the anti-Constitutional members, the grifters following their corrupt Pied Piper. By remaining in the Party these past four years, you were part of the problem. How do those work for you?

    I’m not too worried about not holding Biden’s feet to the fire. Especially given that it’s not him (or the Democrats) that are sacrificing everything good to protect a corrupt and deceitful president who helped incite an insurrection at the Capitol while he was still in office. That impacts every American, not just you and the Republican Party. My question to you would be: Why aren’t you leaving the Republican Party, given all of your disapproval of Trump and the party that kissed his ring? Why do you think remaining in a political party that is offering its most powerful member cover for unlawful behavior is part of the solution? Because here’s the thing: I didn’t quit being politically active and engaging where I think I could be useful. Leaving a wholly corrupted team that has been taken over by Trumpists, rendering it unrecognizable, while still pushing for principles and policies that I am committed to in whatever way I can, is to remain actively involved. It just might not meet your standards.

    Dana (fd537d)

  85. If Maury Amsterdam could say it to Dick Van Dyke about Mary Tyler Moore on network TV, I can say it about Melania.

    nk (1d9030)

  86. If she was a Democrat, she’d fit right in with Tlaib.
    The standard within the House is now to coddle and capitulate to the lunatics.
    We’ve gone on a hunt for the most exotic, most “authentic” people regardless to civility, ability or competence and we reward that with $$$ fame and power.
    My feelings at this point are that she’s just another lunatic in the house who got elected by lunatics to represent them accordingly. On the one hand, remove her… but on the other hand, her people asked her to represent them. They have an absolute right to be represented by someone who shares their beliefs. If they find out she is too over the top for them, the party can primary her so her constituents have the choice to vote her out in two years.
    In the meantime, give her the minimum committee assignment and give her an office that shares a ventilation system with the mens bathroom

    steveg (43b7a5)

  87. #86 that sound you hear is your wife tossing your stuff out the second floor window into the snow

    “Dibs on this…”

    steveg (43b7a5)

  88. steveg,

    What is MTG is the new Republican Party and not an anomaly? People assume she is just a one-off, and will be gone as soon as possible, but what if they want her to stay, and what if more Q-types end up elected? Here’s the thing, and this goes back to my response to Kevin M, what if this is the new Republican Party, and will continue on this trajectory? Is that something you feel represents your views? Because I believe that most people have a tipping point and will only tolerate so much.
    My tipping point was sooner than some, later than others. But how much corruption one individual will want to be a part of and endorse by their membership, is obviously a personal decision. I just can’t be part of a group that thinks MTG best represents their views. And frankly, I want nothing to do with the people that feel that way either.

    Dana (fd537d)

  89. BTW, the chambers can expel members:

    The U.S. Constitution expressly grants each house of Congress the power to discipline its own Members for misconduct, including through expulsion, stating that:

    [e]ach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

    Expulsion is the process by which a house of Congress may remove one of its Members after the
    Member has been duly elected and seated. The Supreme Court has considered expulsion to be distinct from exclusion, the process by which the House and Senate refuse to seat Members-elect. In so concluding, the Supreme Court has held that exclusion cannot be used as a disciplinary tool,
    and Congress, accordingly, cannot undertake disciplinary measures on Members until after those
    Members have taken the oath of office.

    Dana (fd537d)

  90. Oh, it’s going to get far worse, Dana. I don’t know if you watch CNN, but on its prime time lineup–Cooper, Cuomo, Lemon–last night, they each had reports on a recent FBI memo, sent to every law enforcement agency in the country, on the growing threat of further violence by right wing extremist groups.

    Of course there are left wing extremist groups as well, but as over half of the violent assault in 2020 were committed by white nationalist extremists, who were the ones who stormed the Capitol, the memo and the reporting focused on them.

    The former FBI director interviewed by Cuomo said he was disappointed with the memo, because it only offered general intelligence. State and local authorities need specific intelligence if they are to prepare for an anticipated attack on capitols, political office buildings, and threatened officials.

    The problem he said is that it is very difficult to penetrate these extremist groups, because they are amorphous, lack any kind of real organization. In other words, they don’t hold meetings or have a leader. Rather, they conspire online on social media pages and in chat rooms, often using coded messages, and they are spread out all over the country, which makes it almost impossible to track them down and determine what their intended targets actually are or when the assault will take place. He also said the most worrisome threat was lone wolf domestic terrorists.

    However, it is clear from the memo that these extremist groups–and it’s not just QAnon but the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and others–are coordinating and planning more sieges. They feel emboldened because Trump not only embraced but praised them–“We love you. You’re special.” And because the Republicans have not condemned them. This after they invaded and ransacked the Capitol, resulting five deaths and multiple injuries, some critical.

    Smerconish in a later interview with Cuomo, said the reason why is because Republicans, and he was hesitant to say it, think “it’s good for business.” In other words, they believe if they condemn the violent extremists and refuse to convict Trump in the Senate trial for incitement of insurrection, they will not be able to regain their majorities in the House and Senate, or the White House.

    Silence against these atrocities is cowardly and complicit. There will be more violence over the coming years, leading up to the midterm elections in 2022. And if Trump is allowed to run for president again in 2024, all hell will break loose.

    If the Senate Republicans do not vote to convict Trump and prohibit him for holding office, then they are responsible for what happens afterwards, anarchy.

    What has happened to the Republican party? They have lost their principles and integrity, not to mention their souls. They no longer represent the American people, only fealty to Trump and his violent extremists. They have lost all credibility and respect.

    It’s only going to get worse from here.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  91. 55. Don Herbert didn’t need the ‘clubs’ to demonstrate nor instruct. They weren’t necessary nor essential. You could drop a match in a milk bottle and watch a shelled, hard-boiled egg get sucked into it all on your own– no clubs needed.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  92. Frosty, There are degrees of bad character. If W was a 4 Trump is a 9 and added incompetency and a poor work ethic.

    Maybe we need a new measure for political leaders who engage in lies, brainlessness, conspiracy theories, bad decisions, demagoguery and corruption. Where GW Bush might score around 200 millitrumps, mainly for removing Saddam, Trump is Trump is by definition at 1000 millitrumps.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  93. OT- pause for history; January 28, 1986; STS-51L [STS-25] the space shuttle orbiter Challenger, disintegrated in the skies above Cape Canaveral, FL., shortly after liftoff killing the seven crew members: Dick Scobee, Mike Smith, Greg Jarvis, El Onizuka, Judy Resnik, Ron McNair… and Christa McAuliffe. Was at CBS/NY that morning, when all hell broke loose. It was, as they say in the space biz, ‘a bad day.’ Kept a sign on my desk when the accident report was published later that year: ‘Bad management kills.’

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  94. Dana (fd537d) — 1/28/2021 @ 10:29 am

    chambers can expel members

    If that becomes an option based on views expressed by members it would be a violent path forward.

    frosty (f27e97)

  95. frosty,

    The Clause allows for each legislative chamber to “punish its Members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.”

    Why do you think it’s there?

    Dana (fd537d)

  96. Dana (fd537d) — 1/28/2021 @ 11:51 am

    disorderly behavior

    Sounds like actually doing something, maybe something illegal or unethical, rather than just having a view or expressing an opinion you don’t like.

    Given the list here I’d say until 11:51 am today this wasn’t a controversial view.

    But sure, let’s have free and fair elections and then toss people because of their views. After doing that, you should personally go to Georgia’s 14th District and give a lecture on voting rights or the 1st amendment. Make sure you tell them that if they don’t start voting correctly they’ll keep getting their rep booted and don’t forget to lecture them on #stopthesteal.

    frosty (f27e97)

  97. 93. Paul Montagu (77c694) — 1/28/2021 @ 10:58 am

    , Trump is Trump is by definition at 1000 millitrumps .

    The scale would not stop at 1,000 millitrumps – you have to allow for the possibility of somebody being worse than Trump.

    Where would you put Napoleon, for instance? Robespierre? In the United States, Aaron Burr?

    Sammy Finkelman (7bb55f)

  98. What is MTG is the new Republican Party and not an anomaly? People assume she is just a one-off, and will be gone as soon as possible, but what if they want her to stay, and what if more Q-types end up elected? Here’s the thing, and this goes back to my response to Kevin M, what if this is the new Republican Party, and will continue on this trajectory? Is that something you feel represents your views? Because I believe that most people have a tipping point and will only tolerate so much.
    My tipping point was sooner than some, later than others. But how much corruption one individual will want to be a part of and endorse by their membership, is obviously a personal decision. I just can’t be part of a group that thinks MTG best represents their views. And frankly, I want nothing to do with the people that feel that way either.

    Dana (fd537d) — 1/28/2021 @ 10:24 am

    Dana,
    I 100% disagree with expelling members of congress just because they’re insane garbage people. The voters knew she was a trash bag full of lies when they voted for her. They picked her in spite of that, or because of that, but they picked her.

    Part of why democracy works is because people feel that when their preferences are expressed via election those choices will be honored. Kicking out MTG just because she’s voiced support for stealing the 2020 presidential election based on barking made conspiracy theories is wrong. The people that voted for her have every bit as much right to express their opinion as to you, I, frosty, and other people who didn’t grow up eating paint.

    If she takes actions after election that merit expulsion she should be held accountable. But that process should be the same for a prince as it is for a lunatic Qanon supporter who has publicly stated the parkland shooting was a hoax.

    Now, that doesn’t mean the GOP has to treat her the same way they do Congressman McCarthy. What they should do, but won’t because the GOP endorses this type of loser, is give her no committee seats or other power beyond what she’s authorized by law. But they won’t, because she’s what the GOP is right now.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  99. frosty,

    The Clause allows for each legislative chamber to “punish its Members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.”

    Why do you think it’s there?

    Dana (fd537d) — 1/28/2021 @ 11:51 am

    I think it’s there in case MOC take actions after they’ve been elected. If they take bribes, or beat children or what have you. I don’t think it’s there for MTG. Her district knew what she was when they picked. I don’t know why, maybe it’s that they feel alienated from the current culture. Maybe they’ve watched so much fake news that she seems plausible. Maybe they were sick of her and figure this gets her out of town. Maybe it’s a combination of heavy metal poisoning, TBI, and in breeding.

    But they voted for her.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  100. 84.Kevin McCarthy is meetin with Donald Trump today. To discuss what?

    Power.

    “Meet the future.” Butch Cassidy [Paul Newman] ‘Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid’ 1969

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  101. “We found out that the CIA, FBI, and DOJ are rotten at the core.”

    I’m not sure an objective source would agree with that characterization. It’s like BLM tarnishing all law enforcement officers on the basis of egregious actions of a few. Yes, some agents bend the rules….and God forbid….some agents have personal partisan opinions….but this idea of a deep state out to get Trump is more theatrics by Trump and his enabling media. Trump caused his own problems….coupled with an understandable uneasiness with vetting a businessman with dealings around the globe….and who might possibly have leverage on him.

    “We found out the press will lie and that they see their duty as shaping opinion”

    Unfortunately we’ve blurred news from news opinion….most of what we have any more is commentary whose point is to shape opinion. Commentary dwarfs and subsumes everything else. But good journalism is being done out there….and calling it all “fake news” because it counters a desired narrative is also straight out lying. The notion that nothing from the NYT or WaPo can be trusted is frankly ripping the country apart. We cannot survive without having some common facts. And this mistrust of everything….is Russia’s greatest hope. The more we feed the notion that liberals are more our enemies than the Chinese or Russian leadership, the more the country becomes ungovernable. Trump is not the cause of this…but he certainly has accelerated mistrust on a level completely unhinged from reality….

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  102. Oop. Should read: What if MTG is the new Republican Party and not an anomaly?

    Dana (fd537d)

  103. The Republican Party has hurled more disapproval and condemnation at Liz Cheney for doing her job than at MTG. If that doesn’t expose the heart and soul of today’s GOP, then I don’t know what does. The Republican Party sure isn’t covering itself in glory these days.

    Dana (fd537d)

  104. Republicans demand audit of Kelli Ward’s narrow win for Arizona GOP chair
    After months of sounding the alarm on what she claimed was a stolen presidential election, Kelli Ward is facing questions about her own reelection Saturday as Arizona Republican Party chair.

    Sergio Arellano, the southern Arizona businessman who narrowly lost to Ward in a runoff, has asked state party officials for an audit of the election results, said Kim Owens, a Republican consultant who is serving as his spokeswoman.

    So far, that hasn’t happened, adding to a growing sense of angst among GOP activists that the election had problems.
    ……
    Doubts about the results of the chair’s race started to swirl after the announced winner in another race, for the at-large committee member from the 8th Congressional District, was informed she had lost.

    Arellano said that error “created an environment where a number of state committeemen are raising concerns and asking me to ask for an audit because only a candidate for party office can do so. So I’ve done that and we’re waiting for a response that lays out the when, where, and how of that process. I anticipate the State GOP will do a solid job here and provide election officials around the state with an example of how to conduct a timely audit and how important ballot security and paper backups are.”
    ……
    Ward, a controversial figure who gained national attention for claiming the 2020 presidential election was stolen from former President Donald Trump, won her reelection bid by 42 votes after the election went to a runoff against Arellano. Trump endorsed her reelection.

    Owens said of the challenge: “This is not about one person or one race, it’s about the integrity of our elections. With the absence of the tapes from the machines or any documentation of where votes came from, and in most races, a lack of numbers, of tallies, we need to see evidence that everything is as it should be.”
    …….

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4)

  105. GOP Rep. Peter Meijer was willing to put his political future on the line to vote his conscience. He now has a Republican challenger as a result of his vote to impeach Trump. The GOP should look to those with a similar character and commitment to the Constitution for future members. Unfortunately, and most revealingly, today’s GOP has made it clear that they are no longer in the character and commitment to the Constitution business. Not in deed, only in word.

    About the Jan. 6 insurrection:

    It’s just staggering how many folks try to either paper over what happened, say let’s just move along, or just say it’s been a couple of weeks, let’s forget about it. I’m just at a loss for words.

    About Marjorie Taylor Greene:

    We can’t be a party of conspiracies, of winking at nodding at the darkest impulses of the internet. That’s not how we’re going to have a party that’s trusted to govern. That’s not how we’re going to win over moderate and independent voters…that’s just a dark path for the Republican Party to go down, and one I’m committed not to go down.

    More of these, please

    Dana (fd537d)

  106. AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 1/28/2021 @ 1:16 pm

    Strzok was the Chief of the Counterespionage Section. He is a lying corrupt hack. Clapper was DNI. He lied under oath to Congress. Adam Schiff is the chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. He has repeatedly lied and he’s a corrupt hack. This just a shortlist. This isn’t “some” agents bending the rules or “some” people being corrupt.

    calling it all “fake news” because it counters a desired narrative is also straight out lying. The notion that nothing from the NYT or WaPo can be trusted is frankly ripping the country apart. We cannot survive without having some common facts

    A good start might be to not intentionally misrepresent what people are saying when it doesn’t play into your desired narrative.

    frosty (f27e97)

  107. When you say “hack” what do you mean?

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  108. Kevin McCarthy apparently met with Donald Trump to try to get him to help prevent a split in the Republican Party.

    Sammy Finkelman (7bb55f)

  109. Maybe we need a new measure for political leaders who engage in lies, brainlessness, conspiracy theories, bad decisions, demagoguery and corruption.

    [ ] Reaganomics.

    [ ] Reaganoptics.

    [ ] Reaganaurics.

    [ X ] All of the above.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  110. Time123 (9f42ee) — 1/28/2021 @ 4:49 pm

    When you say “hack” what do you mean?

    It’s a flexible term but it’s usually a placeholder for words that would probably trigger the moderation filter.

    Are you wondering if I mean qualified individual with unimpeachable integrity?

    frosty (f27e97)

  111. Kevin McCarthy apparently met with Donald Trump to try to get him to help prevent a split in the Republican Party.

    I have a video of McCarthy addressing the GOP Conference before flying down to meet with Trump.

    nk (1d9030)

  112. Dana,

    you do realize a lot of those voters are also Trump supporters who are disgusted with the party for allowing and supporting Republicans who try and cancel their vote by impeaching Trump, right?

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 1/27/2021 @ 10:41 pm

    Their votes were counted. Many nutcases won House elections in fact.

    Trump is not above accountability just because someone voted for him. It’s not canceling your vote, in an election your side lost, to hold Trump accountable for what he did. He railed for weeks against the USA, was proudly justifying what his fans were doing as they bludgeoned a cop to death. 140 cops were hurt in the attack. Several have broken ribs, problems with their spines, brain injuries. It’s crystal clear that Trump’s administration set them up for failure and slowed help.

    Let the GOP reveal itself again and again. It’s too late at this point. I don’t really care what happens on the right for the next few years. It’s time for the democrats to take over and at least provide some resistance to the Russian and Chinese issues that Trump so cheerfully enabled (every accusation is a confession from Trump, especially with China).

    Dustin (4237e0)

  113. #104Liz Cheney did her job… for herself. Too bad for her and to the shock of her constituents, that was not the job her constituents voted for her to do.

    steveg (43b7a5)

  114. If you combined Michigan, Georgia and Arizona orphans, plus got on the CA ballot as one poster insists, pyou’d have pretty good building bloc for the 3rd “NT” party.

    urbanleftbehind (8b2c63)

  115. What is more selfish… acting on ones own principles, or doing your constituents bidding to save your seat. Both are selfish, one cynically so.
    I think Cheney’s choice made was to vote her own principles for her own selfish reasons. It would have been selfless to vote her constituents desires… ie: putting her fidicuary duties ahead of her personal beliefs and then refusing to run for re-election in a place that was so at odds with her personal principles

    steveg (43b7a5)

  116. Baked pork chop time

    steveg (43b7a5)

  117. Dustin,

    Weakening our energy independence is strengthening China and Russia’s position. If you would get off your one track attack, you’d see you played right into their hands. Russia and China are grateful for Bi’Xin’s election.

    NJRob (4d4490)

  118. steveg,

    There was no formal lobbying of the caucus by Republicans on the impeachment vote. McCarthy just warned members to watch their rhetoric. Cheney was well within the framework provided with her yes vote to impeach.

    Dana (fd537d)

  119. I think Cheney’s choice made was to vote her own principles for her own selfish reasons.

    I think it was fastidiousness. She did not want a cockroach in her house.

    McCarthy, on the other hand, he’s what Trump told Access Hollywood he likes to grab.

    That’s the crude way of putting it.

    A more refined way is to consider who Liz Cheney is and where she comes from (and I don’t mean Wyoming), and what Trump is and where he comes from (and New York City is the least of it). Which one cares more about America and the future of the Republican Party in America?

    nk (1d9030)

  120. She did not want a cockroach in her house.

    So much for Daddy Darth in the guest room in his golden years. 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  121. Which one cares more about America and the future of the Republican Party in America?

    New York IS America; in case you never noticed, Lady Liberty is in New York Harbor, not Jackson Hole… or worse; Texas, :-)

    https://vimeo.com/70914835

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  122. A bit outdated, and Florida’s the one tearing out meat and hitting bones of NY’s skeleton.

    urbanleftbehind (8b2c63)

  123. Ivy League populist and fascist weasel Josh Hawley insists that he didn’t do what he did when he did what he did:

    A defiant Sen. Josh Hawley insisted on Thursday that he never intended to overturn the presidential election by objecting to President Joe Biden’s victory in Pennsylvania — despite previously suggesting that Donald Trump could stay in power if Congress acted.

    In the aftermath of pro-Trump rioters storming the Capitol seeking to stop the January 6 certification of Biden’s win, the first-term Missouri Republican senator has faced a barrage of criticism over his decision to contest the results of Pennsylvania — with Senate Democrats calling on the Senate Ethics Committee to investigate his actions and others calling on him and GOP Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas to resign.

    But Hawley has said he has “no” regrets, telling CNN: “I was very clear from the beginning that I was never attempting to overturn the election.”

    Yet before January 6, Hawley didn’t rule out the possibility that Congress could throw out the electoral results and keep Trump in office. On January 4, Hawley was asked by Fox News: “Are you trying to say that as of January 20th that President Trump will be president?” He responded to anchor Bret Baier: “Well, Bret that depends on what happens on Wednesday. I mean this is why we have the debate. This is why we have the votes.” Hawley repeatedly declined to say Congress wouldn’t be able to change the results of Biden’s win.

    Dave (1bb933)

  124. McCarthy’s walk of shame might be for naught…someone else is banking on being Speaker 2 years from now?

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/28/jim-jordan-ohio-senate-463617

    urbanleftbehind (8b2c63)

  125. Another thought…the spectre of Sen. Jim Jordan has probably cost Sherrod Brown the Vice-Presidency, whether it came in 2017 or now.

    urbanleftbehind (8b2c63)

  126. Dave (1bb933) — 1/28/2021 @ 9:45 pm

    He’s a relatively new senator so there’s plenty of time to find someone to run against him. But those free and fair elections will be coming around before you know it so don’t waste time.

    frosty (f27e97)

  127. Missouri R’s lucked out that the squishy KC suburbs are on the Kansas side and that East St. Louis and the rest of Metro East are in Illinois.

    urbanleftbehind (8b2c63)

  128. Time123 (9f42ee) — 1/28/2021 @ 4:49 pm

    When you say “hack” what do you mean?

    It’s a flexible term but it’s usually a placeholder for words that would probably trigger the moderation filter.

    Are you wondering if I mean qualified individual with unimpeachable integrity?

    frosty (f27e97) — 1/28/2021 @ 5:33 pm

    I’m used to people using ‘hack’ to mean either
    1. Incompetent
    2. “Political hack“, also called partisan hack, is a pejorative term describing a person who is part of the political party apparatus, but whose intentions are more aligned with victory than personal conviction. The term “hired gun” is often used in tandem to further describe the moral bankruptcy of the “hack”. When a group of “political hacks” of a similar political affiliation get together, they are sometimes called a “political hack pack.”[1] When one side of a debate has more “political hacks” than the other, this is referred to as a “hack gap” and gives an advantage to the side with more “political hacks.”

    Neither seemed to fit how you were using it so I was confused on what you were trying to say.

    Time123 (f5cf77)

  129. GOP Rep. Peter Meijer was willing to put his political future on the line to vote his conscience. He now has a Republican challenger as a result of his vote to impeach Trump. The GOP should look to those with a similar character and commitment to the Constitution for future members. Unfortunately, and most revealingly, today’s GOP has made it clear that they are no longer in the character and commitment to the Constitution business. Not in deed, only in word.

    About the Jan. 6 insurrection:
    It’s just staggering how many folks try to either paper over what happened, say let’s just move along, or just say it’s been a couple of weeks, let’s forget about it. I’m just at a loss for words.
    About Marjorie Taylor Greene:
    We can’t be a party of conspiracies, of winking at nodding at the darkest impulses of the internet. That’s not how we’re going to have a party that’s trusted to govern. That’s not how we’re going to win over moderate and independent voters…that’s just a dark path for the Republican Party to go down, and one I’m committed not to go down.
    More of these, please

    Dana (fd537d) — 1/28/2021 @ 4:26 pm

    Really liking this man.

    Time123 (f5cf77)

  130. MTG is just so nuts.

    In her post, Greene noted that Roger Kimmel, a board member at Pacific Gas and Electric, was also the vice-chairman of Rothschild Inc. Greene also wrote that PG&E had invested in technology to beam solar energy from space down to Earth. She claimed in the post that that technology had caused the fire. The post was first reported on Thursday by Media Matters for America, a liberal media watchdog.

    Suggesting that the Rothschild family is conspiring to cause damage for profit is a longstanding anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, and one that is baked into the QAnon mythology.

    Greene wrote that “there are too many coincidences to ignore.”

    I think calling them ‘Jewish Space Lasers’ is wrong. First it’s not what she said. Second what she said is horrible and making it sound silly minimizes it.

    Time123 (f5cf77)

  131. Time123 (f5cf77) — 1/29/2021 @ 6:32 am

    First it’s not what she said. Second what she said is horrible and making it sound silly minimizes it.

    This isn’t a bad summary of how I feel about NeverTrump generally. More of that and people might think you’re a Trumper.

    frosty (f27e97)

  132. Kevin McCarthy apparently met with Donald Trump to try to get him to help prevent a split in the Republican Party.

    The party needs to split, and if it doesn’t do it itself, someone needs to do it for them. There has never been such a gap in the center between the two parties as there is now. Biden may be claiming the center but he’s just the beard for an increasingly radical party.

    Coming up in 2024: The Democrats choose between Kamala and AOC.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  133. I want to hear more about the Rothschilds and their space lasers. Are their first names all “John”?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  134. More on Taylor Greene from Erick Erickson:

    Marjorie Taylor Greene also believes or believed that the Newtown, CT and Parkland, FL school shootings were “false flag” operations, a favorite conspiracy of nuts online. I asked Senator Marco Rubio for his thoughts on those like Greene who think Parkland really wasn’t a school shooting. He told me, “Parkland was a real tragedy in which real parents lost real children. Anyone suggesting it was fake is either deranged or a sadist.”

    He’s right.

    Greene, who had the money to fund a race against nine people in a Republican primary, got elected because no one had knowledge about her. She’s not even from the district in which she got elected. Her election is not a damning indictment on the people of Georgia, but on the political class.

    I know because I am literally the only voice across the five media markets in her district, openly told listeners they’d regret voting for her, and never once had any of the opposition research shared with me.

    Trust me, if I knew about the Jews in space, that would have made incredible radio during the primary. But I had no idea.

    In fact, what I was told by Republican operatives is that Greene had a ceiling in the runoff and all I needed to do was warn voters about voting for her. They said she couldn’t win the runoff. They were wrong. While John Cowsart, her opponent in the runoff, was trying to get the word out, Greene had more money and a die hard base.

    Many of that base now feels played by her. Many of the voters in Georgia’s 14th are embarrassed.

    Greene is going nowhere. If Ralph Northam could survive black face, Greene, who has no sense of shame, will go nowhere now. She’ll double down and some will defend her.

    Unless she pulls a Traficant, we’re stuck with her until she’s primaried out.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  135. Unless she pulls a Traficant, we’re stuck with her until she’s primaried out.

    What do you mean “we”, white man?

    Dave (1bb933)

  136. #89
    I don’t know if MGT is a one off or not. People are upset enough to vote her in and maybe Cheney out.
    Part of it is people who believed the “steal” and others in the coal, oil, natural gas, pipeliners, livestock etc. are pissed because they knew damn well that Biden would create unemployment for them. They also knew they would be talked down to… “learn to code” or “teach a roughneck how to build solar panels” (which under Biden will be produced in China).

    One thing Trump did well was employment in the sectors above. Wyoming is topheavy in those sectors. People bought homes, cars, trucks, sent their kids to University based off a budget tied to work in those sectors.
    People are mad because by EO, Biden did more for Putin’s wallet than Trump ever did by taking a machete to our oil and gas sector. People who use fuel to pursue a living are pissed as well. because energy costs will.

    The world is less safe than it was under Trump… at least in regard to Iran. A wealthy unsanctioned Iran causes troubles in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Venezuela and Israel. Trump was doing a pretty good job of de-confliction and marginalization of mid east bad actors.
    Trump also gave Putin’s mercenary army a huge bloody nose and kept China in check. China is clearly more dangerous to Taiwan, Vietnam and the Phillipines under the Biden State Dept and people who understood that are irritated.

    I can understand not liking Trump and refusing to vote for him, but don’t fully understand the votes for a feeble minded old Biden who is implementing autocratic EO’s penned by Harris’ aides. (I don’t think Biden is always aware of what he is signing)

    steveg (43b7a5)

  137. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 1/29/2021 @ 11:16 am

    Are their first names all “John”?

    Nice reference 😉

    frosty (f27e97)

  138. 126.Another thought…the spectre of Sen. Jim Jordan has probably cost Sherrod Brown the Vice-Presidency, whether it came in 2017 or now.

    Jordan announced he’s not going to run for the Senate seat and will run again for his House seat instead.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)


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