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11/16/2020

Governor Hair-Gel Is, Like, Totally Sorry

Filed under: General — JVW @ 10:41 pm



[guest post by JVW]

It’s hardly an earth-shattering story (and that’s why I am posting it late in the evening), but California Governor Gavin Newsom, fresh from his embarrassing dining outing which violated the COVID protocols he’s been flogging, wants his subjects — sorry, fellow citizens — to know that he’s, like, really really sorry:

Credibility is hard to accumulate yet pretty easy to throw away. Good luck getting Californians to cheerfully follow any further shutdowns you might order, chief.

– JVW

69 Responses to “Governor Hair-Gel Is, Like, Totally Sorry”

  1. Nearly 40 million people in this state and we end up with him. It absolutely boggles the mind.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  2. Nearly 40 million people in this state and we end up with him. It absolutely boggles the mind.

    JVW (ee64e4) — 11/16/2020 @ 10:42 pm

    That is true. Unfortunately in a state where the GOP’s chances of winning statewide are slim to none, plus the fact that we are in a politically polarized era, people like Newsom will continue to get elected regardless. When I look at the electoral map of California in all the presidential, Senate, and gubernatorial races from the past 40 years to the present, it looks like the red on the map has been continuously and gradually receding into the northeast part of the state. It is very telling when Kern County(Bakersfield), one of the most Republican areas left in California, is probably going to not crack double digits for the GOP for President for the first time since 1968. Trump certainly didn’t start California’s long leftward trend, but he was certainly an accelerant akin to pouring gasoline on the flames. The only thing possible is maybe a more competent Democrat replacing him as governor.

    HCI (92ea66)

  3. His hypocrisy isn’t limited to Covid, either. Despite being oh-so-concerned about global warming, he has sired four children. Ever heard of condoms, Gavin? Why don’t you wear two? You know, just for the cause.

    That video is nauseating. He reeks of vanity.

    norcal (a5428a)

  4. The political intelligentsia have always looked down upon the rules they set for their subjects, just as they look down upon their subjects.

    Hoi Polloi (66077a)

  5. Whew! You had me worried, JVW!

    The spectacle of a politician admitting and sincerely apologizing for a mistake must be deeply unsettling for anyone who supported Donald “it is what it is” Trump.

    And California’s response to the pandemic has been among the very best in the nation. Especially impressive considering that we’re one eight of the whole country.

    Dave (1bb933)

  6. Stanford repudiates Scott Atlas, the quack Trump put in charge of telling people to flaunt COVID prevention measures, and who is literally killing people:

    The university has been asked to comment on recent statements made by Dr. Scott Atlas, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution who is on leave of absence from that position.

    Stanford’s position on managing the pandemic in our community is clear. We support using masks, social distancing, and conducting surveillance and diagnostic testing. We also believe in the importance of strictly following the guidance of local and state health authorities.

    Dr. Atlas has expressed views that are inconsistent with the university’s approach in response to the pandemic. Dr. Atlas’s statements reflect his personal views, not those of the Hoover Institution or the university.

    But remember, Newsom is the bad guy!

    Dave (1bb933)

  7. @5,@6: Hey fellas, but .., but whaddabout Trump??

    It’s a good thing California is doing so awesomely well, and we can credit Newsom for it. Cuz otherwise, we’d blame Trump.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  8. Mr. Atlas, the Titan, only had to carry the world on his shoulders, Mr. Dave.

    Mr. Doctor Atlas has to carry Trump.

    Meh! Too easy.

    nk (1d9030)

  9. The spectacle of a politician admitting and sincerely apologizing for a mistake must be deeply unsettling for anyone who supported Donald “it is what it is” Trump.

    And California’s response to the pandemic has been among the very best in the nation. Especially impressive considering that we’re one eight of the whole country.
    Dave (1bb933) — 11/17/2020 @ 5:04 am

    You might miss Trump more than QAnon.

    Hoi Polloi (66077a)

  10. Really, leaving is a little bit too much to expect. Also, when it comes to crowd size, it’s all a matter of probabilities. The main thing the size of the group affects is the probability. Three could be a crowd, but we don’t try. That’s why when one member of a family has it, the others tend to get it too.

    He could also have queried people on possible Covid-19 exposure, opened some windows, or moved the gathering a bit, or worn a mask.

    The disease is getting around.

    Sammy Finkelman (f6c6ee)

  11. Plus, California politicos conventioning in Hawaii, no doubt excused from the 14-day quarantine there and upon return to California. Everyone is equal except some are more equal than others.

    ManlyDad (bec1ce)

  12. The spectacle of a politician admitting and sincerely apologizing for a mistake must be deeply unsettling for anyone who supported Donald “it is what it is” Trump.

    From the moment I pushed the “Publish” button on this post I said to myself, “It won’t be long until Dave chimes in with his usual ‘But what about Trump?’ comment.” Glad to know some things never change.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  13. Whew! You had me worried, JVW!

    Imagine the nerve of me holding my elected politicians to the same standards they would impose on me! How ungrateful can I be?

    JVW (ee64e4)

  14. I once worked for a startup that was going gangbusters until the investors parachuted in “hair-gel guy” to “help.” What a fracking disaster.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  15. Nearly 40 million people in this state and we end up with him. It absolutely boggles the mind.

    About 330 million in the US and who do we pick? Clinton, W, Obama and Trump. Not exactly a rising curve.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  16. Really, leaving is a little bit too much to expect. Also, when it comes to crowd size, it’s all a matter of probabilities. The main thing the size of the group affects is the probability.

    Georgia Tech created a tool where you can see on a county-by-county basis the probability that an event will contain at least one COVID-infected attendee. You use the slidebar to set the size of your event, and you can designate an ascertainment bias based upon whether you think that there are five or ten times more COVID cases than what is being reported.

    Using that tool, there appears to be about a 13% chance that someone at a dinner party of twelve in Napa County would be infected with the COVID virus.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  17. And California’s response to the pandemic has been among the very best in the nation. Especially impressive considering that we’re one eight of the whole country.

    By that one measure. But you ignore those who survived but had their life’s work destroyed. Of course, if you view corporate control of the economy as a positive good, you should be happy. Jeff Bezos is doing well.

    Am I saying that there are trade-offs, where one of the factors is how many at-risk people might (I repeat might) die? Yes, because the other trade-offs involve businesses, jobs, non-Covid health issues, children, opportunity costs and the general well-being of the society.

    Focusing solely on Covid statistics is myopic at best and IMHO irresponsible.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  18. In my state, we are on lockdown. All small business is ordered closed but their big-box competitors are allowed to operate, with restrictions. Want shoes? Better go to Walmart or order from Amazon. The stores in the mall are all closed.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  19. Imagine the nerve of me holding my elected politicians to the same standards they would impose on me!

    It’s not just Gavin. Pretty much any CEO who operated like the average politician would be guilty of “honest services fraud.” If they are involved in negotiating with public employee unions, even more so.

    Corporate officers have a duty to their shareholders to manage the business without lining their pockets or trading favors with others for later, personal, collection. But that’s SOP for politicians.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  20. You mean like the time a huge big icicle formed on the eaves just above Snoopy’s doghouse and poor Snoopy was afraid to go out of the doghouse because of fear that the icicle would drop on his bare head as soon as he poked it out the doghouse entrance so he stayed out in the cold doghouse in the yard instead of going to the people’s house where it was warm and he would not budge even for his dinner so he was hungry too just plain cold and hungry but Charlie Brown got him a 24″ pizza his favorite food and as soon as Snoopy smelled it he dashed out of the doghouse simply flew and wouldn’t you know it the icicle picked that very minute to come crashing down and it demolished the doghouse but Snoopy was safe because of how fast he had dashed out of the doghouse, like that Mr. Kevin?

    nk (1d9030)

  21. 15. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/17/2020 @ 7:16 am

    About 330 million in the US and who do we pick? Clinton, W, Obama and Trump. Not exactly a rising curve.

    We don;t have a choice among 330 million people. It;s more like 330. And only about 1% would be good.

    Sammy Finkelman (f6c6ee)

  22. I appreciate the focus on California. I do worry this is what could happen here in Texas in 20 years, maybe sooner, so I hope we cultivate more skepticism of all politicians, party irrelevant.

    I compare Newsom to Boris Johnson. A lot of people don’t think there’s any reason for Johnson to act like he might be sick again. But it’s symbolic leadership to show everyone he’s in it like they are. That’s smart politics, but it’s also good leadership as everyone is sick and tired of seeing the next business shut down, sick and tired of not visiting grandma, etc.

    Newsom is exactly how we got Trump. Democrats are so intertwined with what’s fashionable, usually the party of exercising power, so it’s a natural fit for them to treat the people like unimportant peasants to manage. It’s like those dumb Halo pics of Obama.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  23. Newsom is a signpost on the road to San Angeles.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  24. like that Mr. Kevin?

    Probably not, as I can’t figure out which post you are replying to.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  25. It is a toss up as to who is worse. Newsom or Cuomo.

    And of course, recall Pelosi’s trip to the hair salon.

    But most have not been paying attention, as this is just more
    of The Ruling Class. See Angelo Codevilla’s excellent 2010 piece (he predicted someone like Trump would come along) America’s Ruling Class – The Peril’s of Revolution from The American Spectator.
    https://spectator.org/americas-ruling-class/

    And next see this more recent follow up on The Ruling Class theme
    in a VIDEO from Tucker Carlson.
    Conservative Treehouse: Tucker Carlson – Love him or hate him – Donald Trump is an indictment against the DC Ruling Class
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/02/tucker-carlson-love-him-or-hate-him-donald-trump-is-an-indictment-against-the-dc-ruling-class/

    Next see:
    VIDEO: HBO’s Real Time with Bill Maher discusses Strife in the Dem party and dangers awaiting the Dem Party despite Joe Biden’s victory – dangerous intersection
    https://dangerousintersection.org/2020/11/14/dangers-democratic-party-biden/

    Now, maybe a few are waking/growing up to realize and be confronted with the fact that that HATE ORANGE MAN really is not the solution to the myriad of problems facing America?

    Liberty & Truth require constant vigilance. GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (a1521c)

  26. From the moment I pushed the “Publish” button on this post I said to myself, “It won’t be long until Dave chimes in with his usual ‘But what about Trump?’ comment.”

    With the dozens of examples Trump supporters provide in every thread, I would have thought you would understand what it means.

    If I had tried to justify the bad thing Newsom did (attending the dinner) by pointing to one of the innumerable similar but far worse things Trump has done (super-spreader rallies throughout the country for months, etc), that would indeed have been whataboutism.

    But that’s not what I did.

    I contrasted the good thing Newsom did (admit and apologize for his mistake – which means I acknowledged that the bad thing he did was bad) with the fact that Trump has never apologized for or even admitted a single one of his mistakes.

    Whataboutism is a fallacious emotional argument employed by idiots (“It’s perfectly fine that my wonderful side did terrible thing X because the other terrible side did a similar terrible thing Y”).

    That is not the argument I employed.

    Dave (1bb933)

  27. After Big Thanksgiving Dinners, Plan Small Christmas Funerals, Health Experts Warn
    Mississippians should plan “to have very small Thanksgiving gatherings” with only nuclear family members this year to stay safe amid the COVID-19 pandemic, Mississippi State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs and other public health officials warned on Friday.

    “You’re going to have a lot of sick folks who caught (COVID-19) during Thanksgiving. We know this is the perfect milieu, having young folks and old folks and folks with chronic illness around the table—and then death,” Dobbs said during a sober Mississippi State Medical Association Zoom meeting with fellow physicians on Nov. 12.

    The state’s top health official urged even Mississippians who are having small holiday gatherings to observe 6 feet of social distancing and to hold the gatherings outdoors, where the chance of transmission is lower.

    “We don’t really want to see Mamaw at Thanksgiving and bury her by Christmas,” MSMA President Dr. Mark Horne said during the meeting, concurring with the state health officer.

    “We’re going to see some of that. It’s going to happen,” Dobbs replied.

    Horne agreed.

    “It’s going to happen. You’re going to say hi at Thanksgiving, it’s so nice to see you, and you’re either going to be visiting her by Facetime in the ICU or planning a small funeral by Christmas,” the MSMA president said.
    …….
    The health leaders said that, while the state may receive an initial round of Pfizer vaccines for COVID-19 vaccines as early as mid-to-late December, the allocation will be less than 200,000. The state will prioritize giving the initial rounds to health-care workers with vulnerabilities, they said. For the average Mississippian, it will likely be some time next year before vaccines are widely available.

    Over the past seven days, Mississippi has reported around 7,963 new COVID-19 cases and 102 additional deaths. The seven-day daily average is now 1,138, just below the summer wave’s peak of 1,201 average daily cases.
    …….
    [The Mississippi State Department of Health] reported today that only about 18% of ICU beds remain available statewide and about 28% of regular staffed beds. That is a slight improvement from last Thursday, when only about 12% of ICU beds and 20% of regular beds were unoccupied.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  28. *examples of whataboutism

    Dave (1bb933)

  29. California is ‘pulling the emergency brake’ on its reopening plans.
    ……
    ……Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, said the state’s daily case numbers had doubled in the last 10 days, the fastest increase the state had seen since the beginning of the pandemic. The state reached one million known cases on Nov. 12, and the next day issued travel advisories.

    The increases, he said, cross age and racial or ethnic groups and appear throughout the state.

    Most of California’s larger counties were moved back into the most restrictive reopening tier, meaning that indoor dining and some other businesses would have to shut down again. Mr. Newsom said the state was also studying curfew options.

    Mr. Newsom added that emergency health care facilities the state set up during the beginning of the pandemic were being prepared. One facility will open in the next week or so in Imperial County, a border county that was hit hard over the summer, he said.
    …….
    Much of the recent rise in cases, state officials say, appears to have grown from at-home parties or family gatherings.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  30. Whataboutism is a fallacious emotional argument employed by idiots (“It’s perfectly fine that my wonderful side did terrible thing X because the other terrible side did a similar terrible thing Y”).

    That is not the argument I employed.

    Nor is it what I accused you of. I didn’t try to claim that you were exculpating Newsom for his misdeeds in light of Trump’s idiocy, I merely pointed out the almost certainty that you would take any criticism of any other public official and attempt to place it within the context of President Trump’s widely-recognized buffoonery.

    Are you under the impression that there is some sort of competition at Patterico’s Pontifications to determine which commenter hates Donald J. Trump the most? If so, I’m happy to present you with the trophy right now rather than have you keep at it until January 20 or — Heaven forbid — beyond that.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  31. There is an episode of the Simpsons where the parents go missing and the children roam free. There is a scene where Ralph Wiggum is wandering the streets with a TV dinner in his hand, trying to figure out how to heat it. He doesn’t know what to do.

    I realize that most progressives and the media will be like that once Trump leaves the scene. They won’t know what to do.

    Hoi Polloi (66077a)

  32. Are you under the impression that there is some sort of competition at Patterico’s Pontifications to determine which commenter hates Donald J. Trump the most?

    No.

    BECAUSE THERE’S NO COMPETITION BABY!

    Erm, sorry; got a little carried away there.

    If so, I’m happy to present you with the trophy right now rather than have you keep at it until January 20 or — Heaven forbid — beyond that.

    Will there be, like, a star-studded awards ceremony where you accept the Gavin Newsom trophy too?

    Socially distanced, of course.

    Dave (1bb933)

  33. LOL I’m always the bridesmaid at these things.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  34. I merely pointed out the almost certainty that you would take any criticism of any other public official and attempt to place it within the context of President Trump’s widely-recognized buffoonery.

    But seriously, why mock the guy for owning up to a mistake?

    Having screwed up, what should he have done or said differently?

    Something like this?

    “Since I did something risky, I’ve decided to lift that restriction so everyone else can do it too. It will cost lives, but nobody will be able to accuse me of hypocrisy!”

    Dave (1bb933)

  35. LOL I’m always the bridesmaid at these things.

    I like people who aren’t also-rans.

    #winning

    Dave (1bb933)

  36. One thing Newsom should do is lose his next election, Dave. He might also appeal to our common sense. There’s a reason he wanted to get out. All Californians have the same reasons.

    I think the reason we mock Newsom is our assumption he doesn’t really mean it when he says he’s sorry. He really thinks he is special, and he is an exception, and the millions who have to live under his decisions are not special. It’s interesting to me how often folks in government, not even the elected, see themselves as the exception. I guess that’s human nature.

    We could use more humor this year, so mocking one of these jackasses is a great use of time.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  37. Dustin (4237e0) — 11/17/2020 @ 8:05 am

    A lot of people don’t think there’s any reason for Johnson to act like he might be sick again.

    I think it’s actually for real and stupid. Boris Johnson may not necessarily believe himself that he has any kind of a risk of being sick, or even contagious, but that’s what public health authorities say. They are loathe to assume what we assume for every other disease: that someone who recovered on his own is immune. There are all these studies that want to prove someone can get it again, which, by the way, ignore the nature of a second positive test – it might be a minimal case (But somehow a vaccine confers immunity – or maybe they will say not even that does, so all of this must go on until the virus is extinct or confined to some reservoir.)

    Sammy Finkelman (f6c6ee)

  38. A person with antibodies could still be carrying around cooties and exhaling them in other peoples’ faces, no?

    This isn’t something I really know much about, but it’s hard to imagine that immunity gained from previous exposure means every viron that comes into contact with your body is instantly destroyed.

    Dave (1bb933)

  39. Am I saying that there are trade-offs, where one of the factors is how many at-risk people might (I repeat might) die? Yes, because the other trade-offs involve businesses, jobs, non-Covid health issues, children, opportunity costs and the general well-being of the society.

    Focusing solely on Covid statistics is myopic at best and IMHO irresponsible.

    At Thanksgiving we will have 23 people at my home. My children and their families. No masks will be worn. The 14 kids will probably spend much of the day outside. The adults will eat and laugh and play games. We do this with confidence and without fear. All 14 of my grandchildren are home-schooled and have been for years. Those working outside the home follow the county and employer requirements. The rest of us live our lives freely. We all wear masks when in businesses but I certainly don’t when walking outside in my neighborhood or the park. I eat out often. Go to the grocery store. Don’t shop online. Donating blood next week.

    Now I’m sure some of you would say that I’m killing people by not assuming I have Covid but I don’t accept that. I determine my risk just as every person that walks past me in the store determines their risk. I am not responsible for the risks they choose to take. I cannot live my life with a big “IF” dictating my every moment. I don’t go places I consider risky (Walmart), I choose my surrounding and compatriots. I determine my risk. If I catch Covid I’m not going to blame anyone. It’s a virus. If I’m so lacking in critical thinking skills I have to be told what to do it’s a sad state of affairs in more than one way. But my family will meet. We will hug and laugh together. Actually we do so every Sunday after church and have since Covid began. As a family who has seen the impact of Covid through a lockdown driven suicide we feel the risks of not getting together much higher than the risk of Covid.

    Marci (405d43)

  40. There is an episode of the Simpsons where the parents go missing and the children roam free. There is a scene where Ralph Wiggum is wandering the streets with a TV dinner in his hand, trying to figure out how to heat it. He doesn’t know what to do.

    I realize that most progressives and the media will be like that once Trump leaves the scene. They won’t know what to do.

    Hoi Polloi (66077a) — 11/17/2020 @ 10:08 am

    I expect Dems to try and run against trump for as long as they can. He’s polarizing. He makes everyone else look better by comparison. He saves them from having to develop actual solutions to our nation’s challenges. Plus, he’s vindictive, small and cares mostly about his own brand. There’s a good chance that he will attack anyone that fails to offer him praise, thus hurting their chances to get the support of his faction.

    Time123 (36651d)

  41. But seriously, why mock the guy for owning up to a mistake?

    Having screwed up, what should he have done or said differently?

    “You’re right that I failed to follow the protocols that my office is urging for the entire state. I do understand how hypocritical that makes me look, and I know that this sort of behavior undermines the public’s confidence in the suggestions that our public health experts are issuing.

    “As a result, my wife and I are both planning to voluntarily self-quarantine at home for the next 14 days. I will also be sending our children to live with my in-laws during this period. In an effort to support local businesses who are impacted by the restrictions the state has placed upon them, my wife and I will continue to order delivery food whenever possible and have it delivered to our home via contactless delivery.

    “We are taking these steps in atonement for our severe error in judgement, and as a way to show the people of California that we do indeed take the public health recommendations seriously. Because my own actions have led to this quarantine, I will also be donating my pay for these 14 days to a local charity which seeks to help individuals and businesses whose life has been impacted by the virus. I hope these steps will convince you of the sincerity of my regret, and again, I apologize for my thoughtless actions.”

    JVW (ee64e4)

  42. Where Newsom is concerned, recall too that this is a guy who when he got caught having an affair with the wife of one of his friends and campaign consultants, he immediately buzzed around word that he had a drinking problem and was checking himself into rehab. Yet later, as a gubernatorial candidate denied that he had actually been to rehab, and had merely transitioned into “social drinking.” So I think we’re looking at a guy who is practiced in insincerity, and who believes that if he fixes the camera with a steely gaze and employs a voice tone that oozes with manufactured sincerity that he can pull the wool over everybody’s eyes. I guess this debate we’re having suggests that it works on a lot of people.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  43. JVW, Your suggestion at 41 is perfect.

    Time123 (36651d)

  44. Aren’t violating the COVID executive orders in the Pyrite State a criminal offense?

    Has anyone been prosecuted or convicted of a misdemeanor in California for violating these orders? Even a misdemeanor conviction could cost someone his job, or make it more difficult for him to get a new job. Conviction of a misdemeanor could cost a student his scholarships.

    The Dana in Kentucky (facd7c)

  45. Marci wrote:

    At Thanksgiving we will have 23 people at my home. My children and their families. No masks will be worn. The 14 kids will probably spend much of the day outside. The adults will eat and laugh and play games. We do this with confidence and without fear. All 14 of my grandchildren are home-schooled and have been for years. Those working outside the home follow the county and employer requirements. The rest of us live our lives freely. We all wear masks when in businesses but I certainly don’t when walking outside in my neighborhood or the park. I eat out often. Go to the grocery store. Don’t shop online. Donating blood next week.

    In which state do you live? If you are violating the state’s orders, are you actually committing a crime?

    In the Bluegrass State, Governor Andy Beshear has issued a bunch of cockamamie executive orders, which the state Supreme Court recently said were legal [Pfft!] but his decrees gave enforcement authority to the state and local health departments, not the police. Actual enforcement appears to be limited to fines for businesses which do not enforce his various decrees, and the fine amounts are $50, $75, and $100.

    But in other places, violations are considered misdemeanors, criminal offenses.

    The Dana in Kentucky (facd7c)

  46. Dustin wrote:

    I think the reason we mock Newsom is our assumption he doesn’t really mean it when he says he’s sorry. He really thinks he is special, and he is an exception, and the millions who have to live under his decisions are not special. It’s interesting to me how often folks in government, not even the elected, see themselves as the exception. I guess that’s human nature.

    It has seemed to be easy for people whose careers or jobs or livelihoods aren’t affected by the COVID-19 restrictions to advocate that such restrictions be imposed, enforced and even strengthened. The Patricians really don’t understand the plebeians.

    The Dana in Kentucky (facd7c)

  47. Near as I can tell the people who get the virus today are in one of a few groups:

    1) The immortals: Teenagers and young adults who scoff at all these restrictions and, if the DO get the virus it’s mile and they don’t take even that seriously.

    2) People who associate with group 1 without being extra cautious.

    3) Invalids, who are being taken care of by groups 1 and 2.

    As far as Marci’s hone-schooled kids, have they no friends? All those other activities and nonchalant risk-taking decrease the chances of everyone being virus free.

    If the chance of any given person at a gathering being infected is 1%, The chance that one of the 25 is infected is about 1 in 4. And of course that then spreads to the rest.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  48. *and, if they DO get the virus it’s mild

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  49. Young people are spreading coronavirus in L.A., but older and sicker suffer the most

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-11-17/young-people-spreading-coronavirus-in-l-a-but-older-and-sicker-suffer-the-most

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  50. It has seemed to be easy for people whose careers or jobs or livelihoods aren’t affected by the COVID-19 restrictions to advocate that such restrictions be imposed, enforced and even strengthened. The Patricians really don’t understand the plebeians.

    The Dana in Kentucky (facd7c) — 11/17/2020 @ 12:33 pm

    It’s certainly easier when you’re not worried about your business failing. It’s also easier if you’re seeing how bad the situation can be if a hospital fills up. This analysis doesn’t really get to the point: should we have these restrictions?

    That’s why leaders who screw around, either Newsom style or ‘YOU HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED IF YOU LET COVID DOMINATE YOU’ style, are killing people. Plain and simple. Bad leaders made this year a lot worse than it had to be. Bad leaders in China, bad leaders all over the USA.

    Honestly as easy as it might seem, most people are not sociopaths and do regret seeing yet another business shuttered. Politicians… they are often sociopaths I guess.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  51. Politicians… they are often sociopaths I guess.

    Normal sociopaths are just out for themselves. Politicians are sociopaths on a mission.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  52. Dana. I violate NO laws in my state (okay I speed once in a while) so don’t insinuate I am or would.

    Kevin M. My grandchildren have many friends. Sometimes too many. Lol. Scouts. Baseball. American Heritage Girls. Church youth. And on and on. And we are all aware of these activities and we still accept that risk. The one time we had a family member get exposed to Covid they got tested (it was negative) and quarantined 14 days per CDC guidelines and got a second negative test. We all knew of it and did as we should helping them stay quarantined. Again personal responsibility. Maybe our vaunted leaders should try it and perhaps more of their constituents would be willing to give it a try.

    Marci (405d43)

  53. BECAUSE THERE’S NO COMPETITION BABY!

    I concede nothing until all the legal votes are counted.

    Stop the Steal!

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  54. Good luck getting Californians to cheerfully follow any further shutdowns you might order, chief.

    I know people who eschew COVID mitigation measures because Trump convinced them that mask-wearing is a pussified anti-American lib conspiracy. I don’t know anyonce who complies with them because Gavin Newsome is their role model. So sure, Newsome’s an idiot who deserves all the mockery and scorn he’s getting. But I see no reason to think his stupidity will affect respect for shutdown orders. The Trumpists who ignored previous orders will ignore subsequent ones, and those of us who complied last time will comply next time. Not because Newsome deserves our loyalty, but for two other, better reasons: (1) we trust the advice of apolitical public health experts more than that of Fox News radiologists, and (2) we respect the rule of law.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  55. @5,@6: Hey fellas, but .., but whaddabout Trump??

    It’s a good thing California is doing so awesomely well, and we can credit Newsom for it. Cuz otherwise, we’d blame Trump.
    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/17/2020 @ 6:09 am

    Shameless as ever.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  56. Young people are spreading coronavirus in L.A., but older and sicker suffer the most

    It’s like health officials are on the verge of admitting that those massive downtown rallies — which the city/county pointedly chose not to break up even though they certainly should have seen them coming and had effectively dealt with them in the past — when first the Lakers then the Dodgers won championships in the past month might have led to a spread of the virus. But they are just totally unwilling to go there, so they want everyone to believe it is a bunch of guys getting together in somebody’s mancave to watch football or a few young women who host dinner parties with their friends who are behind the recent flare-ups.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  57. 56. It’s not one or the other. Sure, some health officials have been cowardly selective about the gatherings they criticize. Fauci hasn’t.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  58. One should never forbid what one lacks the power to prevent. — Napoleon Bonaparte
    or
    How’re you gonna keep them down in the ghetto, when they’ve seen a Walmart they want to loot?

    nk (1d9030)

  59. The spectacle of a politician admitting and sincerely apologizing for a mistake must be deeply unsettling for anyone who supported Donald “it is what it is” Trump.

    And California’s response to the pandemic has been among the very best in the nation. Especially impressive considering that we’re one eight of the whole country.

    Dave (1bb933) — 11/17/2020 @ 5:04 am

    We must’ve watched a different video because it didn’t sound sincere to me. For some reason he’s allowed to keep his winery open but nobody else is allowed to keep their winery open. He seems to be a “rules for thee, but not for me” type of person.

    Also, I thought he’s been enjoined from making any rules or changing laws by court order so how can he tell me what or what I can’t do for Thanksgiving.

    Tanny O'Haley (8a06bc)

  60. I’m with JVW on this one. If I still lived in CA, I’d sign a recall petition.

    Davethulhu (6e0d47)

  61. So I think we’re looking at a guy who is practiced in insincerity, and who believes that if he fixes the camera with a steely gaze and employs a voice tone that oozes with manufactured sincerity that he can pull the wool over everybody’s eyes. I guess this debate we’re having suggests that it works on a lot of people.

    This is pretty “normal” behavior for men like Newsom. He’s tall, he’s considered good looking and charming, and he has status and power. He can get away with an awful lot. I’m sure he learned early on how to use his good looks and charm to advance himself in almost any environment. These sorts always have the edge because appearance carries so much more power than substance in today’s world.

    Dana (6995e0)

  62. It’s not one or the other. Sure, some health officials have been cowardly selective about the gatherings they criticize. Fauci hasn’t.

    My gripe isn’t so much about whether or not a health official criticizes a large gathering, it’s more about whether or not a mayor who pretends to believe that these gatherings are public health hazards has the guts to actually order law enforcement to break them up. Clearly this is where a phony like Eric Garcetti falls woefully short, and now people like him are parroting the line that COVID is spreading because a bunch of guys got together to watch Monday Night Football while ignoring the 70,000 who partied in the streets of downtown to celebrate the Lakers’ and Dodgers’ titles.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  63. Please understand that I’m not saying “masks” don’t work. What I am saying is it is apparent that the “mask mandate” has not worked in Los Angeles. I wish I could add a picture to comments. Check out the link. Go to the graph and change cumulative to daily. I believe the mask mandate started in June. It’s just gotten worse.

    LA County COVID-19 Surveillance Dashboard

    Tanny O'Haley (8a06bc)

  64. 42. JVW (ee64e4) — 11/17/2020 @ 12:09 pm

    So I think we’re looking at a guy who is practiced in insincerity, and who believes that if he fixes the camera with a steely gaze and employs a voice tone that oozes with manufactured sincerity

    What’s missing is the intrinsic logic of it. HE’S GOT NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR. Most people would do the same thing. If he does apologize it should be for holding himself to a different standard (which he did) but he should not act as if what he did was in itself, really bad, rather than there being an arbitrary distinction between what is permitted and what is forbidden.

    For someone to just leave after accidentally finding himself in what seems to be a too high number (but not illegal) gathering is again putting himself in a special category. If it is OK for them, why isn’t OK for him? Or if it is bad, why doesn’t he try to tell some of the other people to leave, too?

    But he would just leave them there, and let them get infected, maybe. He’s the Governor, after all. He’s telling the whole state what to do.

    Sammy Finkelman (f6c6ee)

  65. 62. JVW (ee64e4) — 11/17/2020 @ 6:59 pm

    My gripe isn’t so much about whether or not a health official criticizes a large gathering, it’s more about whether or not a mayor who pretends to believe that these gatherings are public health hazards has the guts to actually order law enforcement to break them up.

    Not even that. It also, he indicated earlier, wasn’t technically illegal anyway. If it is a public health hazard, albeit not covered by his order, why would theright thing to do be to leave, rather than at least voice objections?

    Clearly, he doesn’t believe the gathering to be the kind of health hazard necessary to avoid. If so, why would the right thing to do be to leave? I stress the “right” thing, because that’s the approach the Governor made, not the prudent thing, which he might believe. But if it is the prudent thing, the main objection to what he did isn’t hypocrisy. It isn’t hypocrisy either, if it is in fact dangerous. In that case, leaving the people there to their own devices is uncaring.

    Clearly this is where a phony like Eric Garcetti falls woefully short, and now people like him are parroting the line that COVID is spreading because a bunch of guys got together to watch Monday Night Football while ignoring the 70,000 who partied in the streets of downtown to celebrate the Lakers’ and Dodgers’ titles.

    Well, one is indoors and one is outdoors.

    But a crowd, even outdoors, is maybe not so perfectly safe. Or if it is, why restrict Veterans Day or other parades?

    He could say it is impossible to reason with a mob, and trying to break it up would hurt people, and maybe even cause looting, but then, that’s what he’s got to say: They shouldn’t have celebrated the sports team win. They shouldn’t have celebrated the election of Joe Biden. He could at least then, maybe discourage some people from participating in similar events

    Sammy Finkelman (f6c6ee)

  66. 45. The Dana in Kentucky (facd7c) — 11/17/2020 @ 12:29 pm

    In the Bluegrass State, Governor Andy Beshear has issued a bunch of cockamamie executive orders, which the state Supreme Court recently said were legal [Pfft!] but his decrees gave enforcement authority to the state and local health departments, not the police. Actual enforcement appears to be limited to fines for businesses which do not enforce his various decrees, and the fine amounts are $50, $75, and $100.

    Do you realize why? (I think)

    After what happened to Breonna Taylor, he’s not going to give enforcement authority to the police for extra and easy to violate things.

    So you gain something as a byproduct of the “woke” attack on the police (nobody is going to arrange, even if it were possible, and he could trust it to happen, to limit enforcement to people who aren’t black)

    Sammy Finkelman (f6c6ee)

  67. Marci wrote:

    Dana. I violate NO laws in my state (okay I speed once in a while) so don’t insinuate I am or would.

    In my previous comment, I wrote:

    At Thanksgiving we will have 23 people at my home. My children and their families. No masks will be worn. The 14 kids will probably spend much of the day outside. The adults will eat and laugh and play games. We do this with confidence and without fear. All 14 of my grandchildren are home-schooled and have been for years. Those working outside the home follow the county and employer requirements. The rest of us live our lives freely. We all wear masks when in businesses but I certainly don’t when walking outside in my neighborhood or the park. I eat out often. Go to the grocery store. Don’t shop online. Donating blood next week.

    In which state do you live? If you are violating the state’s orders, are you actually committing a crime?

    That’s asking a question, not an insinuation.

    I do not know in which state you live. In some, what you have said you will do would be in direct violation of the Governor’s emergency decrees, and in some of those, it would be considered a misdemeanor. Where I live, it would be a direct violation of the Reich Governor’s orders, but not a crime.

    The Dana in Kentucky (facd7c)

  68. The esteemed Mr Finkelman wrote:

    In the Bluegrass State, Governor Andy Beshear has issued a bunch of cockamamie executive orders, which the state Supreme Court recently said were legal [Pfft!] but his decrees gave enforcement authority to the state and local health departments, not the police. Actual enforcement appears to be limited to fines for businesses which do not enforce his various decrees, and the fine amounts are $50, $75, and $100.

    Do you realize why? (I think)

    After what happened to Breonna Taylor, he’s not going to give enforcement authority to the police for extra and easy to violate things.

    Law enforcement responded appropriately in the situation in which Miss Taylor was killed. They executed a legal, no-knock warrant, signed by a judge, and returned fire when first fired upon. Whether the idiotic Governor Beshear realizes that or not, I do not know, but the grand jury only indicted the one officer whose fire was so wild that it penetrated into other apartments.

    My guess is that he understood that the vast majority of the 120 elected county sheriffs would not enforce his orders if he delegated the authority to them. A few counties are large enough that they have independent police forces which patrol the entire county, but most do not. The small towns tend to have their own police departments, but they consist of only a few officers in relatively small patrol areas, and they are ill-equipped and ill-motivated to take on the Governor’s Führerbefehle.

    More, violation of the Governor’s orders does not appear to be a crime in Kentucky. These things are being enforced by local health departments as notices of violation. But if I walk through the middle of downtown without a mask, there’s really nothing anyone can do about it.

    The Dana in Kentucky (facd7c)

  69. Follow up to post #25, above – about The Ruling Class.

    Newsom – strikes again and the hypocrisy goes to new heights.

    PHOTOS: Medical association officials dined in style with Gavin Newsom — apparently without masks — despite governor’s own COVID-19 ban
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/the-hits-just-keep-on-coming-medical-assoc-officials-dined-with-gavin-newsom-at-ritzy-french-restaurant-despite-governors-own-covid-19-ban
    ________________________

    Dined with medical association official? Dined indoors?

    Recall Newsom in his pitiful apology, claimed the dinner was outdoors. Another LIE.

    The Ruling Class: Do as I say, not as I do. The rules do not apply to The Ruling Class.

    Hypocrisy squared, cubed and on steroids.

    And who did not see the hypocrisy and lying of Newsom? Yet he got elected as mayor in San Fran
    and then the Cal governor.

    Liberty & Truth require constant vigilance. GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (a1521c)

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