Wisconsin and Michigan are clear. Arizona and Georgia are razor-thin. Nevada and Pennsylvania are slow. It’s Election Day, Day 3!
I’m still unsure what the heck is going to happen.
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I think it’s best to start a new one of these every day, because long threads tend to devolve.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:33 amNever understood why, but they clearly do.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:33 amHeh. I just trashed a new thread based on Trump’s latest tweet:
Keeping the MAGA crew fired up, I see. The thing is, neither Trump nor his people can decide whether to keep on counting or to stop counting. Craziest thing…
Dana (6995e0) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:44 amYear 6, Day three of the 2016 election.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:51 amI’m waiting for Trump to try to send the military in to “restore order.” You might think that’s silly, but he seems keen on setting a shark-jumping record.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:53 amThey so designed the ballot is Arizona, that if it bled through to the other side of the ovals (and regular pens supposedly have more of a chance of doing so, or of leaking anyway, that’s why they chose Sharpies as their pen of choice) it would not stain any place on the other side of the ballot that would cause an overvote there.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:54 amGiuliani is the spokesman for Trump on election matters, at least in Pennsylvania.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:55 amWisconsin is pretty thin, actually. About half a percent. I think that Trump should spend some of his own money on a recount there. Michigan is solid.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:55 amSilly rumor contest!
I heard that, if you made a secret mark on the outer envelope, they would accept any signature.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:57 amI’m still unsure what the heck is going to happen.
Wall Street is acceptably bullish and what drives it is stability. I figure that they figure like I figure, that sooner and not later Baby Donnie will have had his fill of tantrums, sobs, nose-wipes, hugs, and ice cream; the Electoral College will elect Biden; and we’ll finally get on with the business of the country.
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:58 amI remember the terrible disaster when I took the SATs with a No. 3 pencil.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:59 amI heard that, if you made a secret mark on the outer envelope, they would accept any signature.
Aw, fer …. Some people! All you need to do is vote to retain the incumbent Board of Election Commissioners. That’s what I did.
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:01 amcomedian Angelo Tsarouchas, is worth a read:
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:14 amnk,
The market was worried about Biden’s plan to make cap gains taxable as normal income, and to raise normal income taxes. As things looked last week, with what the lying polls were saying, Biden elected with a Dem Senate and a mandate was not all that great for market players, even with SfB gone from the WH..
But now, with a GOP Senate and no Biden mandate AND Trump gone too? It’s all good man.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:25 amSilly rumor contest:
“When my Federalist colleague Sean Davis noted this, Twitter was quick to censor his tweet, even though all he had done was compare two sets of vote totals on the New York Times website.
And he wasn’t the only one who noticed—although on Wednesday it appeared that anyone who noted the Biden vote dump in Michigan was getting censored by Twitter.”
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/
harkin (7fb4c9) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:31 am__ _
5, does the DOJ count?
urbanleftbehind (be8d73) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:34 am@10: Oh, so we’re now stressing market signals.
Dow Nov 8, 2016: 18,300
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:36 amDow Nov 3, 2020: 27,800
People with badges and guns are scary.
Hoi Polloi (15cfac) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:37 amRecounts didn’t help Al Gore in 2,000, when the margin on Florida was less than a thousand votes. (The margin was even smaller in New Mexico, 366 if I remember correctly, but nobody wanted to Count Every Vote in New Mexico because a change there didn’t change the electoral vote calculation.)
And unless fraud can be legally demonstrated, the margins of several thousand votes, into the tens of thousands of votes, President Trump will not get any states reversed.
He lost. Not by much, and it’s not even official yet, but he lost, and our country will be worse off for it. But I will not riot, I will not demonstrate, and I will not take up arms and kill people over it.
The real question is: will the Republicans be as vile to the Democrats as the Democrats have been as vile toward republicans over the last four years?
President Clinton’s two Supreme Court nominations received heavy support from Republicans in the Senate. They knew that Justices Ginsburg and Breyer would be bad, but there were only three votes on the confirmation of Mrs Ginsburg and only nine against Mr Breyer.
When the younger President Bush made his two nominations, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, the Democrats showed far less courtesy. Mr Roberts drew 22 negative votes and the Democrats even tried to filibuster Mr Alito’s nomination; the filibuster failed, but he was confirmed only 58-42.
President Obama’s two nominees received significant Republican opposition, but each received some Republican votes; President Trump’s three nominations received almost universal Democratic opposition.
Assuming the GOP retains control of the Senate, will Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) allow any confirmation votes on a Joe Biden nominee to the Supreme Court? If Justice Breyer retires quickly, 2021 or 2022, I would imagine that he would, because it would be the replacement of one liberal with another. If Justice Clarence Thomas passes away in 2024, Mr McConnell might refuse to confirm any nominee of Mr Biden’s, hoping that a Republican would win the 2024 nomination.
The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:38 amOf course, my guess is that the 2024 Democratic presidential nominee will be Kamala Harris Emhoff. Even if he’s still President come November of 2024, Mr Biden will be 82 years old, and probably volunteer to retire.
The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:40 amHow many states are close right now?
Will Trump ask for a recount in every state where he is losing if the margin is small? What about lawsuits to stop counting in states where he is winning?
DRJ (aede82) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:42 am@21: Looks like Trump is learning how to play the lawfare game.
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:45 am“And he wasn’t the only one who noticed—although on Wednesday it appeared that anyone who noted the Biden vote dump in Michigan was getting censored by Twitter.”
There wasn’t a vote dump.
Davethulhu (64a023) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:47 am@15:
Three things to note in that Federalist article.
One, PA has decided to count late ballots without postmarks as valid.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:53 amTwo, those reports of 138K-to-zero updates are supported by screen grabs. Explained by state officials as a “typo”, where a report had added an extra zero.
Three, users who have attempted to relay this information have been throttled by their site’s management.
mr. beer ‘n pretzels, mr. future-ex-president donald trump, who turns from the crowd stumbles and falls but gives you it all, invented the lawfare game
he and mr. roy cohn
4,000 lawsuits, mr. beer ‘n pretzels
whom do you know who’s been in 4,000 lawsuits?
and i don’t mean presidents
i mean anybody
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:53 amThere wasn’t a vote dump.
There’s a before/after screen grab. Maybe you’d choose different words, but it DID happen.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:54 am… after publicly declaring — before the vote counting even started, and when polls consistently had him well behind — that the only possible legitimate outcome would be a win for himself.
And while making categorically false declarations about what election law actually requires.
Also, Trump obviously isn’t big on learning things.
Radegunda (20775b) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:56 amdonald trump … invented the lawfare game
The Concerned League of Concerned Lawyers would beg to argue.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:56 amAnd while making categorically false declarations about what election law actually requires.
Trump always comes off like that loud guy at the end of the bar, and it amazes me that he doesn’t drink. Maybe he should.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:57 am“Looks like Trump is learning how to play the lawfare game.”
– beer ‘n pretzels
Hopefully he’ll play it as incompetently as he plays every other game (except for throwing red meat to morons, if that can be called a “game”).
Leviticus (efada1) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:59 amand i will tell you something else too, mr. beer ‘n pretzels
if mr. on-his-way-out president donald trump, who can tell by the way you walk you have no time to talk, had spent half as much effort protecting america from the coronavirus as he did propping up the stock market, i would have tattooed his name on the back of my hand to remember to vote for him
nobody questions his devotion to wall street
it’s enough to make kim jong un jealous
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:00 amThis makes sense.
And so does this.
Yay, divided government. Assuming Biden comes out on top, this is a loss for Trump adorers and progressives and a win for NeverTrumpers and moderates. Biden was the least liberal of all the candidates and he still got branded as a socialist and barely squeaked by.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:03 amYes it is. We should all be happy. Yeah I wanted Trump defeated hilariously, but Biden having no mandate is a great consolation prize, a GOP obstructing him will be handy on spending. Nevertrumper conservatives definitely won the election.
Trump and his fans crying about it like Al Gore’s fans used to is just the cherry on top.
Dustin (4237e0) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:04 amYou could’ve been done with Trump after four more years. Thanks to the mail in chaos pushed by knuckleheads, looks like he’s never going away. Way to go.
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:04 amThe Republican Party in Nevada is claiming that the “Harry Reid machine” included ballots from non-residents and wouldn’t let them look at it.
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/trump-campaign-files-lawsuit-in-nevada
A oldtime caller to Rush Limbaugh (who called him when he was doing his show in Sacramento and she lived in its listening area and who now lives in Nevada) says the hope for stopping anything wrong is the Secretary of State, a Republican woman who was elected by a small margin. She’s the only executive who’s not a Democrat.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:11 amHe has received more votes than anyone in US history. You can bet Democrats are going to use that figure as a mandate. Sure, smarter people will point out that the US population has grown, that voter participation was higher, etc. But those facts and nuance won’t stand in the way of the Narrative.
Hoi Polloi (15cfac) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:15 am“There’s a before/after screen grab. Maybe you’d choose different words, but it DID happen.”
You understand that the NYTimes web page is not the official count, right? It’s updated, manually, from the official count.
Davethulhu (284dab) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:18 amnk —
How could I have forgotten that Trump has a history of using the instruments of law to take advantage of other people? Trump-skeptics know what I mean, and Trump defenders will make excuses or say it’s all lies to make DJT “look bad.”
In past elections I would have been more on the side of “Oh look, the Dems are doing sneaky things.” But when those charges are made by people who have constantly defended an egregiously self-serving and dishonest man with an openly solipsistic view of right and wrong, I have to doubt that they arise from a genuine commitment to the integrity of the process.
I’m still more on the R side on policy, and on the appropriate attitude toward rioters, but I can’t put my heart and soul behind the side that sees DJT as the champion of its values.
Radegunda (20775b) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:19 am@36 The GOP keeping the Senate and the GOP unexectedly gainning house seats, such that the majority in the house would be the smallest margin since the New Deal…
Yeah, reasonable people are not going to push this “mandate” thing. If anything, it shows that the electorate prefers divided governance AND that the whole leftwing BS is not popular.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:21 amPA has a great dashboard.
It shows 581K Votes outstanding.
It shows they’ve been going to Biden by 73%, Trump by 27%
If the trend continues Biden get’s 425K, Trump get’s 156K
Biden has 3,117,148 and would go to 3,541,000
Trump has 3,231,161 and would go to 3,387,000
This is votes that PA has already received. Not ‘found’ or ‘created’
Time123 (f5cf77) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:28 amIt’s not over yet, but it’s getting close.
They’re counting ballots marked with Sharpies, people.
On July 21, 1969, Buzz Aldrin used a Duro Marker felt pen to close the ascent engine circuit breaker, allowing ignition that rocketed Eagle off the moon to return he and Neil Armstrong to Earth. People.
Sharpies are the writing utensil of choice by astronauts aboard the ISS because of their usability in zero-G. People.
President Donald Trump has a well-known preference for using Sharpies to sign official government documents. People.
People! Sharpies are making America GREAT. Again! 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:32 amWill Trump ask for a recount in every state where he is losing if the margin is small?
‘You have to break a few eggs to make the cookie crumble.’- Joe Biden
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:35 amIt would be classic if President Own-Goal is so obsessed with fighting his personal lost cause to the last bullet that he throws the two run-off elections in GA, and the Senate with them, to Team Joe.
Unlikely, but karmic.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:38 amOur female posters should cast votes and compare this long, painful exercise to child birth.
[ ] easier
[ ] harder
[ ] the same
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:40 amHad you done a little research, you might find that the original tweet which was deleted by the author, after he learned that the New York Times had updated their data based on an data entry error in Shiawassee County, Michigan that was corrected within an hour of being made. Something DID happen, but it was literally NOT a vote dump.
Ah, Trumptopia: where the way to get rid of the bad man is to give him what he wants, and where it’s always someone else’s fault when things go wrong!
Luckily for me, I’m a citizen of the United States.
Demosthenes (fdb2d4) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:45 amDo folks simply just vote for Presidential candidates and NOT vote anything else?
To me this is strange behavior:
I’m not quite on board that this is evidence of fraud, but I do find it strange the folks takes the time for these polls, and only just vote for Presidential candidates and leave the rest blank. I don’t think normal folks would ignore the other races and leave it blank, especially since you leave it open for someone else to use it unmarked choices for their own agendas…
Does anyone find that strange or no?
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:47 amI hadn’t check to see if this is true… but, if it is this is amazing for GOP;
The blue wave expectation was certainly a bust.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:50 amGOP obstructing him will be handy on spending.
Oh, I’m sure they can cut a deal on important things like that.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:50 amHe has received more votes than anyone in US history.
So did Trump, except for Biden.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:51 amYou understand that the NYTimes web page is not the official count, right? It’s updated, manually, from the official count.
Yes, but it stayed like that for a while, and saying that people who referred to it are rumormongers is a bit much. If it had been the other way you’d have been digging up your guns.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:52 am@49. … and Hillary cried.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:53 amIt’s updated, manually, from the official count.
And, it WAS the official count. The “error” was at the state level.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:53 am“And, it WAS the official count. The “error” was at the state level.”
No it wasn’t. It was an error in the file that was sent to the NYTimes (and others) site.
Davethulhu (7c71b8) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:58 am“Yes, but it stayed like that for a while,”
It stayed like that until a corrected file was sent.
“and saying that people who referred to it are rumormongers is a bit much.”
You’re still referring to it, so I disagree.
Davethulhu (7c71b8) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:00 amhttps://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/election-rumors-debunked#125898666
Davethulhu (7c71b8) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:04 amPA has a great dashboard.
Thank you for that. They now have 369,364 left as of this post.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:05 amthe “Harry Reid machine”
Didn’t that snap and partially blind him?
“It was a one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater….” – Sheb Wooley, 1958
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:08 amHowever, if I take just the counties that leaned Biden last time, and multiply those counties outstanding ballots by the spread from 2016 as a percentage (i.e. the net gain expected), I get a net Biden gain of abut 73,000 votes — before counting what Trump might gain from HIS counties, where there are more votes outstanding.
The spread is currently (NYT) 114,000. I don’t see it.
I understand that my method neglects some issues with vote lumpiness, but I think the impact is negligible. By far the biggest Biden-leaning district is Philadelphia County (91,000 ballots left). I give Biden a net 67% of those, since the county is currently at +61 which is reasonable close. But even if I gave Biden 30,000 more votes there, it still doesn’t quite make it and Trump is going to get some gains, too (he should get 10K out of Cumberland and Crawford counties, for example).
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:16 amIn MI, the GOP senate candidate was African-American and the Dem candidate was white.
It could be that some African American Biden voters split their ticket, giving the appearance of a difference in the number of blank senate ballots, but really reflecting people of both parties leaving some races blank while some Biden voters supported the GOP senate candidate, while many fewer Trump voters supported the Dem.
The faulty assumption with the analysis, in both MI and GA, is that you don’t know the correlation between senate and presidential ballots.
A similar pattern can emerge anywhere there is ticket-splitting, but this year there aren’t so many states where Trump ran ahead of a competitive GOP senate candidate while Biden ran behind a competitive Dem. Iowa is one example I found:
Trump: 896,304
GOP Sen: 863,679
Diff: 32,625
Biden: 757,588
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:18 amDem Sen: 753,324
Diff: 4,264
@59 See that’s really weird to me. Why only vote for President?
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:21 amYes. There’s always a dropoff. In some cases, the reverse, and someone may not vote (or vote third party) fr president and yet vote for Senator.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:22 amLOL
I am really hoping that the GOP recognizes it’s on thin ice. Perhaps it will get stupider. They are a decent minority party sometimes.
I agree that is odd. If I went to the trouble of voting this year (of course I did), am masked up or filling out a mail-in ballot, why not finish the ballot? I have left races blank many times, but it’s never occurred to me to just vote president and not for more of the other races.
On the other hand, a few people will do odd stuff. Interesting the GOP gained in the house and lost the presidency.
I think we all can agree we can do better for election integrity.
Dustin (4237e0) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:22 amOnce the ballots are removed from the envelope, there is no recourse for DJT to have them spoiled. The die is already cast.
The only remedy that gives him 4 more years is a re-vote in at least two states. Kemp (immediate past SoS) and the current SoS are very savvy when it comes to metro Atlanta shenanigans. They are essentially powerless to stem the tide which is about to wash over DJT and Perdue.
The Nevada governor is arguably the biggest Dem tyrant. There is no chance DJT can overcome him.
If AZ goes Red, with a friendly Governor running things, there will be great satisfaction that Fox and the AP got it dead wrong, but it won’t be enough to elect DJT.
Ed from SFV (f64387) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:23 amI remember when Trumpers were outraged at the idea of faithless electors. Now Trumpers are demanding that GOP-majority legislatures choose electors who will go against the choice of their state’s voters.
Radegunda (20775b) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:24 amBut the outstanding ballots are far more Dem than the spread of the entire county in 2016. That’s why Trump was ahead – sometimes by very large amounts – initially in counties he lost in 2016 and will end up losing this year.
It’s what happened in every state with a “Blue shift”, and I explained it quantitatively in the election night thread.
The same mechanism worked in reverse in OH, where the order of reporting things was opposite.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:26 amOut of 369,364 votes outstanding,
141,833 are in counties that Hillary won by 10% or more margin.
126,019 are in counties that Hilly won or lost by less than 10%
101,512 are in counties that Hillary lost by 10% or more margin.
All counties are statistically similar in spread, 2016 to 2020.
There’s a bit more to come for Biden, as there are a lot of votes in one heavily Biden county. But not enough. Trump will take PA, barring a flood of new mail votes*.
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Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:27 am*which they are now accepting with no postmark.
But the outstanding ballots are far more Dem than the spread of the entire county in 2016. That’s why Trump was ahead – sometimes by very large amounts – initially in counties he lost in 2016 and will end up losing this year.
Not any longer. Everything is now well within expected. I get that criticism, but any such divergence is at best a second order effect now.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-pennsylvania.html
(hit the EXPAND on counties)
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:29 amQuestion: Would Trump or the GOP (which is separately affected) be “suppressing votes” to insist that the postmark rules be followed? If you say that the Post Office is committing fraud 1) state your side and 2) show some evidence.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:32 amHow so – is that being reported? Never heard of a state election law saying a non-postmarked ballot can be counted after Election Day.
Hoi Polloi (15cfac) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:40 amI guess they must try.
But Biden was supposed to be ten points ahead and instead it’s a nail biter. The fact is, as frustrating as I might find it, that many, many Americans either love what Trump was, or hate the democrats more. Respecting that is a political law of nature, whether anyone really wants to.
2022 will be here soon enough.
Dustin (4237e0) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:40 amFor those favoring a national popular vote for President….if you look at what’s going on with the vote counting in Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona and still favor electing the president by a national popular vote, you’re an asking for chaos on such a scale that will destroy the country.
Just imagine EVERY big cities nationwide going through this sort of nightmare.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:41 amThe method you (or whoever) chose to present it makes it appear to be a much bigger deal than it is.
In Michigan, for example, there were 67,000 fewer senate votes than presidential votes, out of roughly 5.5M presidential cast. That’s only 1.2% of presidential ballots with the senate left blank.
If the blank senate ballots were split evenly between parties, it would only take about 30,000 voters (out of 5.5M) splitting tickets to account for the numbers you posted.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:41 amQuestion: Would Trump or the GOP (which is separately affected) be “suppressing votes” to insist that the postmark rules be followed?
You mean in a state which took the Green Party candidate off the ballot for the most frivolous of reasons?
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:42 amWhy would there be any chaos?
Biden would have (legitimately and undeniably) claimed victory on election night under a popular vote system. There would be no doubt whatsoever about who the winner was right now.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:44 am@69 Hoi Polloi – The Penn. Supreme Court ruled that any ballot without postmark received until, I believe, tomorrow, is to be considered to have been mailed in time to be counted. John Roberts and the gang voted 5-3, with ACB recusing herself, to leave this ruling intact, subject to revision post- election day. There was no order demanding segregation of said ballots.
Ballgame.
Ed from SFV (f64387) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:50 am@74 You’re not comparing apples-to-apples as had we been under the popular votes system, the numbers in each state would be different than today.
There’s a large segment of voters who DON’T votes because they feel that their votes don’t matter in extreme partisan state.
Also, every major cities would be seeing litigation out of the wazoo instead of just a handful of states now.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:56 amHow so – is that being reported?
From the concluding order in the PA Supreme Court ruling(pp62-63):
IV. CONCLUSION
Based on our disposition of all of the claims set forth above, we grant relief on the
claims set forth in Counts I, II, and V of the Democratic Party’s petition for review as
follows and hold that: (Count I) the Election Code permits county boards of election to
collect hand-delivered mail-in ballots at locations other than their office addresses
including drop-boxes as indicated herein, see supra. at 20 n. 15; (Count II) a three-day
extension of the absentee and mail-in ballot received-by deadline is adopted such that
ballots mailed by voters via the United States Postal Service and postmarked by 8:00
p.m. on Election Day , November 3, 2020, shall be counted if they are otherwise valid and
received by the county boards of election on or before 5:00 p.m. on November 6, 2020;
ballots received within this period that lack a postmark or other proof of mailing, or for
which the postmark or other proof of mailing is illegible, will be presumed to have been
mailed by Election Day unless a preponderance of the evidence demonstrates that it was
mailed after Election Day; (Count V) the poll watcher residency requirement set forth in
Section 2687(b) of the Election Code, 25 P.S. § 2687(b), is constitutional. Also, for the
reasons set forth herein, we deny the relief sought in Count III and IV of the petition for
review.
http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Supreme/out/J-96-2020mo%20-%20104548450113066639.pdf?cb=1
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:02 pmPer the PA site Biden needs to gain 110K votes…or 66% of the uncounted ballots.
Time123 (b4d075) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:04 pmHe needs 13K in GA with 50K ballots uncounted.
Time123 (b4d075) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:06 pmJust imagine EVERY big cities nationwide going through this sort of nightmare.
Think of it as a firewall. But there was another reason: it’s a tie-breaker that works against candidates with concentrated support, factionalism and regionalism. The candidate who takes the most states has an edge. This is not accidental.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:06 pmSure, but with a popular vote you have a single election which is highly unlikely to be (and never has been) very close, and which it would take a huge number of ballots to change the outcome of.
In the Electoral College system, you multiple (typically a dozen or so) smaller elections that can each determine the outcome, and the number of ballots needed to change the outcome of any one of them – and the national election with it – is (on average) 50 times smaller. So you multiple the number of opportunities for chaos, and make the scale of chicanery required to throw the election much lower.
Many other countries have presidential elections with a nationwide vote count – France for example – and they do not have chaos. Germany elects some of their parliament based on a national vote – and they do not have chaos.
There are reasonable arguments for Electoral College, but yours isn’t one of them.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:08 pmThere’s a large segment of voters who DON’T votes because they feel that their votes don’t matter in extreme partisan state.
I am willing to bet that GOP participation on the Left Coast was lower than Democrat participation.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:08 pmTrump’s percentage o/t popular vote has actually grown since 2016. Those voters aren’t ideologues; the Lincoln Project crowd failed. Those 70 or so million who’ve voted for him aren’t suddenly going to embrace Plagiarist JoeyBee or the rejected Tedtoo, or Little Marco- etc., etc. Even Bloomberg failed after pumping millions into Florida. A younger fresher face will pickup the Trump banner if it comes to that.[Nikki, dress for success!]
Aside from the death of polling and the crippled credibility of America’s news media outlets, the real clean-up job is w/t failed ‘Blue Wave’ strategy. For God’s sake, Graham was reupped; aside from Biden, the poster child for the hypocritical slime of Washington swamp creature; McConnell slithered to another win, too. The Ds lost 5 house seats. Schumer and Pelosi have to go. The Brits do this so much better; short campaigns, polite returns read clearly in the shires and losers are jettisoned from party power positions almost immediately.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:15 pmI find this disturbing with 72% reporting…
44% of California voters were FOR proposition 16 to End Diversity Ban:
Repeals a constitutional provision that made it unlawful for California’s state and local governments to discriminate against or grant preferential treatment to people based on race, ethnicity, national origin or sex.
That’s… a lot of folks okay with bigotry.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:17 pmSure, but with a popular vote you have a single election which is highly unlikely to be (and never has been) very close
Define very close. The 1960 margin as 112K votes out of 70 million cast, and the story is (never investigated but widely accepted) that a million Kennedy votes were generated by the Daley machine to swing Illinois to the Dems (turned out not to matter).
Garfield won with a margin of 0.17% (about 1200 votes at the time)
What would you do if the election was withing 10K votes in 150 million cast? The state threshold is usually something like 0.5% which is 750,000 votes. I don’t think the country has enough lawyers.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:18 pmHow so – is that being reported? Never heard of a state election law saying a non-postmarked ballot can be counted after Election Day.
I blogged about that a few weeks ago.
JVW (ee64e4) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:19 pmSince my terrible guessing is well documented, I’ve got nothing to lose, so here’s my next big whiff: Philly is holding their final round of counted ballots until they’re for certain that their tranche will put Biden over the top, and then they’ll make their big announcement that Biden won the presidency.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:20 pmRecount the votes and declare whoever ends up with most the winner.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:23 pmDave,
The firewall argument has several factors, one of which is avoidance of a national recount. Other involve making fraud meaningless in most cases. The Daley/1960 case was an exception and had it mattered would not have succeeded.
But even more than that they allow states to have somewhat different laws so that ballots in one state may be more freely cast than in another (or conversely, more sanely restricted) without the differing weightings having to matter. The electoral college matches all impedance.
That they assign slightly more weight to smaller states is not an accident. Remote urban voters should not ride roughshod over rural voters nationally as freely as they do within a state (e.g. Oregon).
Sure, maybe there are better ways that retain the firewall benefit while avoiding the unit-rule. Probably a lot of Republicans who would like to see CA’s bloc broken up. Maybe giant states need to be split. Maybe a proportional system (although minor parties would get their votes that way and 2000 (and this one) would have gone to the House. Maybe CDs — any state can do that now, and two states do. Fine for small states, but gerrymanders are an issue in large states.
It’s not clear. In some of the systems, Gore wins in 2000, but Romney wins in 2012.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:29 pmRecount the votes and declare whoever ends up with most the winner.
Best 2 out of 3?
You may think I’m joking, but I’m not. Also, how do you maintain any kind of common counting procedure with 43,789 different ballot forms and 7532 different election committees? Wasn’t Florida bad enough?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:31 pmPhilly is holding their final round of counted ballots until they’re for certain that their tranche will put Biden over the top, and then they’ll make their big announcement that Biden won the presidency.
Even if there are more ballots to count from those horse-and-buggy counties.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:32 pmI can’t imagine that we would ever go to a national popular vote without making some serious changes to the election process, including the following:
* limits on mail-in voting, including requiring voters to request a ballot each time there is an election
* requiring most voters to come to the polls, show an ID, and be logged into a ledger which is then compared with the number of ballots cast
* end of same-day voter registration
* strict and nationalized procedures for counting and reporting
The Democrats’ dream that we’ll have a national popular vote and that voting will be open for an entire month and ballots will be sent out far and wide to everyone 18 and over whether they want them or not and then collected and delivered by ballot harvesters is a massive pipe dream.
JVW (ee64e4) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:33 pmThe good news is it sounds as if ballots not signed will be thrown out. I would assume PA will check all the “slow” ballots against voter rolls, check signatures, etc.
If not, that’s pretty bad.
Hoi Polloi (15cfac) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:38 pmAlso a pipe dream: the conservative idea that only those who have paid income or property taxes can vote, in person, after paying a fee and demonstrating literacy and numeracy.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:40 pm@92.Yep. And with this widening window of ‘election month’ rather than ‘election day’ it’s heading in the wrong direction. How many early and mail-in voters in PA would change their ballots if they’d heard Biden’s energy/fracking slip in the debate? No in person early voting; a week for mail-ins- no after or day of post-marks, you show up w/ an ID and you’re done.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:41 pmThe Democrats’ dream that we’ll have a national popular vote and that voting will be open for an entire month and ballots will be sent out far and wide to everyone 18 and over whether they want them or not and then collected and delivered by ballot harvesters is a massive pipe dream.
Other than the national popular vote part, we’re already there. Thinking we’re going back to what we had, plus any semblance of voter ID, is the pipe dream.
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:43 pmGarfield won with a margin of 0.17% (about 1200 votes at the time.)
Won him six months; Garfield Administration: March 4–September 19, 1881.
Life of the Party was a pistol, wasn’t he. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:46 pmIf you’re an overseas observer and watching this chaos you’d never consider adopting this system for your government.
Xi is the smiling one; Putin is outright laughing.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:50 pmI agree that uniform national standards and procedures would be highly desirable under a popular vote system.
It’s important to remember, though, that RIGHT NOW we accept a system where voters from one state – who constitute one EIGHTH of the population – have 30% of the weight of voters from another state. It seems highly unlikely that any form of fraud could reach the same magnitude or extent of disenfranchisement.
If we are putting reform on the table, presidential and congressional elections should be administered by the federal government and federal courts for the sake of equal protection and due process. The states can run state and local elections as they choose.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:52 pm@84 More probably it’s that 44% of Californians think that black and latino people start with an unfair handicap and need to be given an advantage to make up for that. Characterizing those voters as OK with bigotry isn’t an accurate read of the situation. (and no, I wasn’t in that 44%)
Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:53 pmCome on, man! Here’s the deal: If integrity in elections is your goal, Trump is the last person to look to for a leader or exemplar.
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:53 pm@87. A ‘cheezy’ move w/a lot at ‘steak.’ 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:56 pm@92 One thing that boggles my mind is the avoidance of using technology. We just ATMs to freaking handle our withdrawls/deposits.
If we’re that comfortable of using that for our own freaking MONEY, we should be comfortable to use these technologies for handling our votes.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:59 pmAlso a pipe dream: the conservative idea that only those who have paid income or property taxes can vote, in person, after paying a fee and demonstrating literacy and numeracy.
Now that is a bigoted idea.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:01 pmLaura Ingraham actually brought up the 2022 election last night.
She has earned an honored seat tied to the Monty Python and the Holy Grail catapult and launched into the castle along with the cow for bring up the next election already.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:02 pm87 and 102,dickish either way. Maybe they (respective Bds of Election) are not getting any takers for who actually stands at the podium when countvis done. Had it gone the other way in a state, maybe you get Rush Limbaugh with nothing left to lose making that announcement.
urbanleftbehind (386524) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:03 pm@103. Have you perused the ages of some of those poll workers on the TeeVee?
Sure, the ‘kids’ have smartphones– but a lot of those little old ladies likely still can’t stop the clock from flashing on their VCRs.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:05 pmEd from SFV (f64387) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:50 am
There are only maybe a few hundred of such ballots.
Someone just called up Giuliani’s radio show on WABC and says that they are stalling in Pennsylvania – what they are busying themselves with now is alphabetizing ballots.
I suppose the official reason for that would be is that that may make it easier to check if the provisional affidavit ballots of persons who voted in person but were not in the list of voters eligible to vote on Election Day because they had requested an absentee ballot should be counted.
If the absentee ballot will not be there by the end of Friday (something that can be determined without going through signature verification) the provisional ballot is valid; if it is there and fails the signature match or has some other external defect, or arrives after the deadline, whatever the deadline is eventually determined to be, the provisional ballot is also valid. If the absentee ballot is valid, then the provisional ballot is not used.
They were also reported the other day to be weighing absentee ballots. If it weighed too little that meant it was missing the cover envelope, and there was apparently some way to go back to the original voter and have that ballot verified as being sent by him or her. That could be construed as voting after Election Day, because the voter has a decision to make even if nothing is altered in the ballot; and also this is not being done in Republican leaning counties but only in southeastern Pennsylvania.
It could be that they will act differently depending upon whether anything they do matters to the result. Pennsylvania might not matter to the result, or the little things they could do might not matter to Pennsylvania result.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:10 pmTrump aides are reportedly discussing a possible 2024 ‘resurrection run’ if Biden wins
No.
Just no.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:11 pm@107 I find it hard to believe that those little old ladies are unlikely unable to use the ATMs.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:12 pmEspecially before hitting the casino.
urbanleftbehind (386524) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:14 pm109, on that note…tomorrow…will there be a procession?
urbanleftbehind (386524) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:16 pmwhembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:59 pm
If an ATM makes mistake, you know, and even then you can’t always prove it. A vote is supposed to be anonymous.
I once or twice got cheated of $20 by an ATM years ago – also I once deposited a check for someone else which was rejected a week later – it turned out, when I helped him figure out what happened, the scanner didn;t properly photograph the account number on the check. It had a blur on one number.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:16 pma lot of those little old ladies likely still can’t stop the clock from flashing on their VCRs.
In the forty years that we’ve had VCRs, you haven’t figured out the reason? It’s because the instructions start out as Japanese which are then translated into English and printed by Chinese.
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:16 pm>If we’re that comfortable of using that for our own freaking MONEY, we should be comfortable to use these technologies for handling our votes.
the technology we use to make transactions involving money secure require that the identity of the person authorizing the transaction be known throughout.
that technology would make a secret ballot impossible.
aphrael (4c4719) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:23 pmMost Electoral vote counts give Donald Trump 213 Electoral votes and Joe Biden 253, (the New York Times gave Donald Trump 214 in today;s paper) and I think hasn’t changed in maybe a day. Only Fox News projects Arizona.
To Trump’s 213 we can safely add the 2nd district of Maine [1] and Alaska [3] which gives you 217.
To which you can add North Carolina [13} and Georgia [16] for a total of 248.
Trump is leading in Pennsylvania by a big margin and, as for the late arriving allots he wants to exclude, there are only a few hundred of them. Trump got what his lawyers were asking in court for in Pennsylvania – closer observation of the vote count.
Trump is generally favored in Pennsylvania [20] which would give him 268, and Biden in Arizona [11] which would give him 264.
It’s all up to Nevada [6] although Trump is asking for a recount in Wisconsin [10], and still claiming Michigan [16]
They are by separated by a little over 10,000 votes with about 600,000 cast for each.
No more results expected from Clark (Las Vegas) and Washoe (Reno) counties.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:24 pm@115 There’s ways to obscure the actual vote itself and still confirm the users at the user end to the back end.
You can programmically do that no problem. Hell, the blockchain technology could be used as well.
The only thing that wouldn’t be anonymous is whether or not you’ve actually voted.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:29 pmThere was a time when Democrats could get behind a National ID system, but now, no way.
Hoi Polloi (15cfac) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:35 pm@108 Sammy – It’s the gift that opened the door for a boatload of fake ballots being wheeled in/harvested on election day/night. No signature check, No return address, no postmark. I have no specific proof that it happened in significant numbers. I have deep (state) suspicions.
This does bring up a point not being addressed by our intrepid media: Just what would be involved in any given conspiracy to get ahold of blank ballots, vote them, and then transport them. Just how many folks would be in on such? The Veritas dude had video of such a conspiracist/operator in Minnesota. But, I really do wonder how big or alternatively, closely held this type of fraud would have to be.
The Nevada issue of non-residents voting is very real. But, here again, once the ballots are separated from the envelopes and mixed in, there is no way to spoil them.
Ed from SFV (f64387) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:36 pmCompromise is about getting people to agree to some things they don’t want to get other things they do.
Combine Voter ID with popular election of the president, and many Dems might support it as an overall improvement.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:42 pm@59 See that’s really weird to me. Why only vote for President?
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:21 am
I recently started dating a Chinese woman who immigrated to the U.S. thirty years ago. She told me that she used to go to the polls only to vote in the Presidential race. I suspect that many immigrants do the same. They’re not dialed in enough to care about state and local races, but the Presidential race gets a lot of attention. And, in the case of Chinese people, it’s natural to think that everything depends on who is at the top.
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:11 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z92avHmgDRA
Still counting, still counting, still counting . . .
Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts don’t do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
Facts are getting the best of them
Facts are nothing on the face of things
Facts don’t stain the furniture
Facts go out and slam the door
Facts are written all over your face
Facts continue to change their shape
Still counting . . .
The odd irony of this election is that Biden could lose Pennsylvania and still win the election. Trump absolutely must win Pennsylvania to win the the election. Hence, the hysterics and dystopia.
As more and more mail-in ballots are counted, Biden eats away at Trump’s lead in several states. He’s ahead in Arizona and Nevada, and gaining in Georgia and Pennsylvania. But there remains several hundred ballots to count. We won’t know the outcome until maybe Friday, probably not until next week.
Trump’s lawsuits are frivolous, flimsy and hollow. They’re not going anywhere. His whining and complaining about voter fraud, illegitimacy and theft, are the cries of a spoiled child. His threats are empty. No one cares anymore. He is a has been, soon to be out of office. People are tired of him.
As things look now, Biden will win the presidency, but not with a mandate. The Republicans will gain a few seats in the House, but not enough to gain a majority. The Senate may end up tied or with a very slim Republican majority.
In other words, this will be a transitional administration, unable to really accomplish anything. The far left agenda has been rejected, as has the far right agenda. So the American people decided to take a breather and evaluate. Their main concern is the pandemic, because the economy cannot recover unless we constrain the coronavirus.
As long a Trump is out office, I’m fine with that. I’ll give the incoming administration and congress two years to correct the horrific mistakes of the Trump administration. Otherwise, the midterms will be brutal, and 2024 will be up for grabs.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:22 pmBelieve it or not, Gawain’s Ghost, there are people (presumably) writing in the English language and everything, who claim that the Democrats, Biden included, would have done better if they had gone farther to the left. SMH
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:27 pmIn other words, this will be a transitional administration, unable to really accomplish anything.
Thank God. Do we really need more government in our lives?
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:28 pm@114. Actually, have, nk; forty years ahead of you: first job at Panasonic was literally translating what the company called called ‘Japlish’ into colloquial English.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:30 pm111.Especially before hitting the casino.
Nickel slots; complimentary buffet; bus home.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:32 pmThis comes after The New York Times on Wednesday similarly reported that “in private lately [Trump] has broached the idea of running again in 2024″ and for months, he’s reportedly suggested, at times jokingly, that he might “promptly announce that he was running again” were he to lose.
Dallas was rebooted and J.R. Ewing had his last run as well.
Glorious.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:35 pmCNN so wants Trump to lose. It’s hilarious.
Election night ratings said it all: Fox won, CNN a lagging second, MSNBC literally half of what Fox drew in third.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:40 pmI think there’s an opportunity for some compromises. For example, nailing down the size of the Supreme Court while dealing with situations like Garland. Such as:
1. The Supreme Court shall consist of nine Justices.
2. When an Executive or Judicial office requiring the consent of the Senate occurs, and the President submits a name for the Senate’s consideration, and 180 days has passed since the day the Senate has received the nomination, consent is granted unless the Senate has previously determined the issue.
3. If the current term of Congress ends prior to 180 days, without consent being determined, the nomination expires.
4. Nothing in this admendment shall be construed to alter the President’s power to make temporary appointments during the recess of the Senate.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:42 pmDallas was rebooted and J.R. Ewing had his last run as well.
It ended badly for J.R.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:43 pmThe fact that it’s semantically impossible, even for the most MAGA butt gerbil, to formulate a sentence expressing the analogous but opposite opinion about Trump (i.e. that he would have done better to run farther to the right) is even more telling…
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:44 pmCombine Voter ID with popular election of the president
The two issues have totally different weights. That’s like saying “Combine a higher minimum wage with banning abortion.”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:46 pmIn other words, this will be a transitional administration, unable to really accomplish anything.
Well, strap me to the Monty Python and the Holy Grail catapult and hurl me into the castle behind Ingraham: by 2022, Congress can- and will- change again, esecialy w/a President Kamala Harris in charge by then.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:49 pm@130. But he had his second run. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:50 pmPresident Trump to speak at 6:30 PM, EST.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:52 pmUday is displeased:
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:54 pmSince #66, they have counted 43,016 ballots and the spread between Biden and Trump has narrowed by 27,000 votes. I guess it depends on where those votes came from and how much of the votes outside Biden’s core areas are from Democrats. 2/3ds of absentee votes came from registered Democrats, but we have to assume they mostly came from places where Democrats predominate since there is no wild difference between 2016 and 2020 results by county.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:56 pmStill, that much movement cannot be good for Trump.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:56 pmOh please, the runt protesteth too much, according to several people, he was the least confident in his dad’s reelection and was passing around a #____Jr2024 days before the election.
urbanleftbehind (386524) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:57 pmI thought he was Qusay. Or is he the one married to Trumpirella.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:57 pmJr. and Uday were the elder sons, and the playboys.
Qusay was the political heir, though, so it’s a subject on which reasonable people may differ.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 3:11 pm@138.Still, that much movement cannot be good for Trump.
“It ain’t over ’til it’s over-easy with a side of bacon and my overly buttered English muffin.” – Yogi Biden
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 3:16 pmFun fact: I found out the other day that Ivanka’s real name isn’t Ivanka, but Ivana.
The “-ka” of course is a diminutive slavic ending. Hence, “Little Ivana”.
I knew that but thought it was her real name.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 3:17 pmI’m giddy with anticipation.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 3:21 pmWere those “President only” ballots only for Biden, or did Trump get some too? Cause I’m wondering how many disgruntled Bernie Bros, Greens, and other assorted Left thought it smart to protest Biden by voting for Trump.
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2020 @ 3:34 pmI don’t see the Dems taking that deal because they only get one thing they want out of the compromise – popular election of the president. On the other hand, Voter ID (presumably through a national ID card), hurts them on several fronts – ID cards disenfranchise the poor, illegal immigrants, stave off graft, etc.
Hoi Polloi (66077a) — 11/5/2020 @ 3:48 pmBest case scenario for the GOP is a 51 seat majority. Guess what that does?
It gives Romney, Collins, and Murkowski, a veto over every floor vote.
Ed from SFV (f64387) — 11/5/2020 @ 3:53 pmAt this moment, the President is once again shamelessly disseminating disinformation about the election, in the process undermining confidence in the most essential pillar of our constitutional republic. What an odious POS.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 11/5/2020 @ 3:54 pmChanneling my inner harkin:
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 3:56 pmBest case (and probably most likely) is 52-48 for the GOP, isn’t it?
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 3:58 pmI’m giddy with anticipation.
You should be; so far, best Queeg impersonation since Bogie.
Oscar be damned; give him that Emmy!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:00 pm3500 vote margin now in GA…
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:03 pm@150 – Nope. James losing gives the GOP zero room for error. Harris as Senate President breaks all ties. Assuming a Tillis win, Schumer has 49 votes.
Ed from SFV (f64387) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:04 pmThere was nothing good about Trump’s little speech. It was lie after lie, in a pathetic attempt to steal an election by accusing others–without a shred of evidence–of stealing an election. This undermining the integrity of our election system is completely contemptible and condemnable.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:06 pmI think you’re mistaken. In called races (including MI), it is 48-48 right now.
NC, two seats in GA, and AK remain.
The GOP is leading in NC, and AK is not in doubt. The GOP would also favored in the two GA runoffs, although they aren’t a sure thing.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:13 pmIn other words, pretty much what MAGA Nation voted for.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:14 pmPA now within less than 1%.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:21 pmIt gives Romney, Collins, and Murkowski, a veto over every floor vote.
Ed from SFV (f64387) — 11/5/2020 @ 3:53 pm
In that case, get ready for more bridges to nowhere.
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:24 pmXi is the smiling one; Putin is outright laughing.
Perhaps, but the people of those countries know that we really take this thing seriously. If either side was actually caught cheating, as policy, the people would unite against them. Even the Great Trump.
As for those under Xi, and probably Putin, they don’t have to worry about choosing their leadership. We may do a crappy job of it, but they aren’t even asked.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:25 pmThe fact that it’s semantically impossible, even for the most MAGA butt gerbil, to formulate a sentence expressing the analogous but opposite opinion about Trump (i.e. that he would have done better to run farther to the right)
Well, you must not know where the “right” is, or you just don’t think that Trump’s supporters can form sentences. Trump isn’t even conservative. Ask our host.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:26 pmWe all owe @realDonaldTrump for his leadership of conservative victories for Senate, House, & state legislatures.
Said the lady ready to pick up the policy mantle, if not Trump’s Bag of Hammers brain trust.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:28 pmPA is not updating their dashboard, so it’s really ahrd to tell what they have counted and what they have not. They also say that some counties have not reported their updates (these are not the Philly counties).
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:31 pmthe right is nothing more or less than what flows out of president donalds facial sphincter mr kevin
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:32 pm@159. They know suckers when they see them– and how to play them. If they want a President Harris to outwit- just overstress the multiple brain-surgeried JoeyBee into stroke city.
Biden turns 78 years old in just 15 days.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:34 pmPresident Trump to speak at 6:30 PM, EST.
Sadly, he has ordered General James Matoon Scott to activate ECOMMCON, in order to stop the vicious rumor-mongering among dangerous elements hidden among us. Also, all fluoridation of water must stop to preserve our precious bodily fluids.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:35 pmAt this moment, the President is once again shamelessly disseminating disinformation about the election, in the process undermining confidence in the most essential pillar of our constitutional republic. What an odious POS.
“Trump Russia collusion”
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:37 pm“I agree that is odd. If I went to the trouble of voting this year (of course I did), am masked up or filling out a mail-in ballot, why not finish the ballot? I have left races blank many times, but it’s never occurred to me to just vote president and not for more of the other races.
On the other hand, a few people will do odd stuff. Interesting the GOP gained in the house and lost the presidency.”
Yes, a ‘few’ people. But when it’s late at night and you’re pressed for time and the Zoom orders go out and you’re not thinking straight, you might, in fact, do something stupid on a scale no normal person would do! Especially when you’re expendable and no one’s going to risk themselves checking!
This was very obviously a clumsy midnight steal attempt, it’s well past time to CLEAN THE ROLLS, and the Democrats have provided us with the perfect excuse to do so and a man motivated enough to do it thoroughly.
Chaddicus (10e327) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:38 pmthe right is nothing more or less than what flows out of president donalds facial sphincter mr kevin
That he can’t tell it from Shinola is obvious. That you can’t is sad.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:38 pmIt was lie after lie, in a pathetic attempt to steal an election by accusing others–without a shred of evidence–of stealing an election. This undermining the integrity of our election system is completely contemptible and condemnable.
pee dossier
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:39 pmOne of the things I like about NM is that there are NO non-partisan races. Such honesty.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:39 pmThe fivethirtyeight livecast seems to have pretty up to date info, Kevin. This is from 20 minutes ago:
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:40 pmThis election was stolen by Covid, if you want to be honest about it. Despite his stunningly clownish response to the virus, Trump nearly wins. Suppose it had been an otherwise normal year.
Of course, one might also ask “why on earth did we almost elect a guy who couldn’t deal with a manageable crisis?” We should have docked his pay.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:42 pmTim Alberta
@TimAlberta
I mean, if you spend all your time around people who won’t believe a word of what Trump just said, good for you. But that’s not the real world. 70 million people just voted for a man who insists that our elections are rigged. Many of those people will believe him. It’s harrowing.
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Stephen L. Miller
@redsteeze
So he’s Hillary Clinton.
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Benjamin Morris
@skepticalsports
At least she conceded that she lost when it was obvious she lost.
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Stephen L. Miller
@redsteeze
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Hillary Clinton said *last week* the election was stolen from her and he was an illegitimate president and you guys said jack sh*t about it.
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Stephen L. Miller
@redsteeze
You guys did this to yourselves. You could have condemned this kind of stuff for the last four years but you didn’t. In case you haven’t noticed from Tuesday’s results, no one is listening to you anymore.
harkin (7fb4c9) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:44 pm_
Depends how you define “right” and “left.” There are distinct vectors of ideology and partisanship that get sloppily intermingled when we talk about how right or left somebody is. On the one hand it’s true, he has no consistent right-left ideology. His only ideology is what profits or flatters Donald Trump. But on the partisanship vector, he’s is the God-King of extremists who define their politics by hostility to liberals and Democrats. In that sense he’s extremely right wing.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:45 pmGovernor Kristi Noem
@govkristinoem
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South Dakota requires voter ID (even for early voting.) Ballots must be received on or by Election Day. All paper ballots, which are easy to verify. Counting is bipartisan and open to the public.
We have an EXCELLENT system. Every Democrat-run state should imitate it.
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lol if you think Dems want an excellent system.
harkin (7fb4c9) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:47 pm_
@159- postscript. One of the more admirable accolades grudgingly granted to the ‘ugly Americans’ by foreigners I recall from my time living -not visiting- overseas was America’s ‘can-do,’ hurry up and get it done zest for accomplishments; the young-minded forward moving energy of its people and leaders. That’s been evaporating for several cycles now as the rebuilt world simply nods, and passes by. Even running Biden is just another benchmark of that passing. It’s rather sad. But inevitable. The American Empire is following a similar pattern to the British Empire as it began to wane 125 years ago. It’s not a perfect overlay- but the patterns are in place. Kamala, AOC, Bernie– even ol’Biden are poised the move the next pieces.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:48 pmI watched that to see if the Donald was ordering out the troops. I was relieved to see he was just wasting time with lies.
I would love to have Georgia — with a GOP Secretary of State running the show — be the state that puts Biden over. Margin of Trump over Biden is now less than 4,000 votes.
Appalled (1a17de) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:50 pmDamn that Clinton, undermining America’s confidence in the Russian intelligence services!
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:51 pm@165. Nah. That was pure Queeg: “They fought me at every turn! I tried to reason with them,but they wouldn’t listen…” etc.,etc.
All that was missing was the rolling of the little metal marbles.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:51 pm@72. Well, it’s not over yet. But the door is closing.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:52 pm^172.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:52 pmThe fivethirtyeight geeks think Biden is pretty much certain to win GA:
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:53 pmSo is our Boer War in the lower 48, in a territory, or on foreign land with our bases?
urbanleftbehind (386524) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:54 pmWhat a shameful display that was.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:55 pmIndeed.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:57 pm> Hillary Clinton said *last week* the election was stolen from her and he was an illegitimate president and you guys said jack sh*t about it.
It’s almost as if the standards of behavior for a President and for a failed Presidential candidate are different, and it’s almost as if a President’s behavior has an impact on the public beyond the impact that a candidate has.
aphrael (4c4719) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:58 pm“pee dossier”
“Hillary Clinton”
Just imagine what Trump could have done if he didn’t like with every breath.
Davethulhu (097dec) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:00 pmAutocorrect to the rescue! 😉
qdpsteve (8d496a) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:02 pmIt’s almost as if the standards of behavior for a President and for a failed Presidential candidate are different, and it’s almost as if a President’s behavior has an impact on the public beyond the impact that a candidate has.
It’s almost as if the last four years never happened.
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:04 pmTo say nothing of the fact that Hillary has become a bitter, reclusive, enfeebled drunk with zero coattails.
I have friends who still shout, ‘lock her up!’ I tell ’em, HRC doesn’t need to be locked up. Every day she wakes up, she’s in hell.
qdpsteve (8d496a) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:05 pmPatterico —
I have lost my capacity to be outraged by Trump. I can only be relieved that he seemed depressed and kind of low energy. Of course he lied and blamed everyone else. That’s what spoiled toddlers do.
Appalled (1a17de) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:05 pmthere were on the order of at least 255,000 mail ballots still outstanding statewide, although that number has dropped since. And there are provisional ballots still to count as well.
Yes, but about 90% of the counties in the state are R+40.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:06 pmTrump lawyer: “And hopefully Amy Coney Barrett will come through.”
(h/t: Allahpundit)
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:09 pm#193
I am sure ACB enjoys being reminded that she’s supposed to be bought and paid for.
Appalled (1a17de) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:12 pmTrump lawyer: “And hopefully Amy Coney Barrett will come through.”
Speaking of lies, she is not a Trump lawyer.
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:18 pmMr M wrote:
I had thought that most of the Left Coast conservatives had moved to Texas.
The locked-in partisan states allow the luxury of voting for a third party candidate. I was able to vote for Gary Johnson in 2016 and Jo Jorgensen this year because I knew my vote didn’t matter. In the direct vote races here, for senator, congressman, state senator and state representative, though there were Libertarian Party nominees for each race, my vote counted in a way in which I could not, and did not, risk giving the Democratic nominee a chance.
Fortunately, all of the Republican candidates on my ballot won quite easily.
The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:19 pmI’m pretty sure that ACB will vote against Trump if she sees the case that way, and recuse herself if she doesn’t. Unless it’s something outrageous like filmed ballot stuffing.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:20 pmLOL.
Harmeet Dhillon | Lawyers for Trump Co-Chair Committeewoman: “I will tell you that in Pennsylvania, we have hundreds of lawyers…”
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:22 pmWhat a shameful display that was.
Nixon, who actually was cheated in 1960 (although the cheating did not cause his loss), never said a thing, took the loss and planned for the future. Yes, he got a bit testy after losing in CA in ’62, but it was the press he took it out on, and they probably deserved it.
But he is doing one good thing here: he is making it easy for the Party to disown him, if it ever finds the nerve. Even his supporters cannot like what they see.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:24 pm“I have lost my capacity to be outraged by Trump.”
Good, now you can start to feel normal human feelings instead of manufactured outrage again.
“At this moment, the President is once again shamelessly disseminating disinformation about the election, in the process undermining confidence in the most essential pillar of our constitutional republic. What an odious POS.”
This lawyer wants us to think that a boring but serious list of well-documented abuses and usurpations is more suspicious and undermining to a testimony than hourlong gaps, constantly changing stories, and constant denials of leave to observe the evidence.
Sneaky Votesack (0d7ebb) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:26 pmYes Dave, you confirmed she doesn’t represent Trump.
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:27 pmIt’s almost as if the last four years never happened.
If only. Me, I am still looking for the door to the world where Romney is finishing his second term, South Korea is picking up the pieces of the north, the Dow is at 40,000 and Trump is rotting in jail for bank fraud.
I may get some of those eventually.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:27 pmBut on the partisanship vector, he’s is the God-King of extremists who define their politics by hostility to liberals and Democrats. In that sense he’s extremely right wing.
“Right” is not the same as “opposes the Left.”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:30 pmIn video interview, Steve Bannon calls for Trump to behead Fauci and FBI Director Wray, and put their heads on pikes outside the White House:
This guy had an office in the West Wing just a couple years ago…
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:31 pmAgain, I think it’s even money that Trump leaves office early.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:31 pmLOL.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:32 pmI want to go back to the old times of Tudor England
I’m not aware of a lot of heads/pikes/walls in Tudor England. Heads, yes. Burning at the stake, yes. But not that meme.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:33 pmRomney calm, reliable, and spot-on:
Dana (6995e0) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:34 pmThe Ghost of Mr Gawain wrote:
Sadly, I think you’re wrong, as Presidents Obama and Trump both proved, a lot, far too much, can be accomplished by
decreeexecutive order. Mr Biden won’t be able to repeal the Hyde Amendment, banning the use of federal funds to pay for abortions without Congress, but he can change the government’s policies to require Catholic nuns to provide health insurance which covers abortion. Watch for the repugnant “dreamers” executive order to be restored.President Trump issued the executive order banning so-called ‘bump stocks,’ which tells us that incoming President Biden could issue his own executive orders doing all sorts of mischief to our Second Amendment rights, and even if the Supreme Court eventually ruled such unconstitutional, it would take years for such cases to work their way through the federal courts, years in which our rights would be violated.
Without any action by Congress, President Trump seriously weakened ObysmalCare; President Biden — and how I despise typing that name — can just as easily change executive policies to restore as much of ObaminableCare as possible.
President Obama’s foreign policy was very much anti-Israel, while Mr Trump was the most pro-Israel President we’ve ever had. What Mr Biden will do, we just don’t know, but the Democratic Party in general is far too pro-Palestinian.
The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:34 pmHmmmmm
“How does Mike Pence stay so calm and polite even though he is actually way more conservative than Trump? He’s pretty much a fundamentalist right winger.”
https://qr.ae/pNgkF6
qdpsteve (8d496a) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:40 pmqdpsteve wrote:
One wonders: will she expect to return to her job as Secretary of State under Mr Biden?
And though we didn’t lock up any of the pre-Trump Democrats, we can count on the left — and I suspect a few of the Never Trump conservatives — to scream “Lock him up!” about President Trump after he leaves office.
The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:42 pmAnd those campus inquisitions will resume.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:43 pm*sigh*
> An election judge supervisor who had tested positive for COVID-19 broke quarantine, worked on Election Day and has since died, St. Charles County health officials said Thursday.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/st-charles-county-poll-worker-tested-positive-for-covid-19-worked-election-day-and-has/article_f1020900-1956-5456-9340-fb379d4482bb.html
aphrael (4c4719) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:45 pmKevin M, just have to say, it’s refreshing to read someone who’s anti-Trump but can still stay fair-minded about him, his admin and accomplishments (or lack thereof).
qdpsteve (8d496a) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:46 pmwe can count on the left — and I suspect a few of the Never Trump conservatives — to scream “Lock him up!” about President Trump
Trump is going to have few friends in either party come next March as they clean out the stables. ANd if he keeps talking about running again in 2024, he may have none at all.
Luckily for everyone else he is making himself a laughingstock, a cry-baby isn’t what those manly men who seem to support him seek in a leader.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:47 pmThomas More’s head was displayed on a pike above London Bridge for a month after Henry removed it.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:47 pmIt’s refreshing to read someone who’s anti-Trump but can still stay fair-minded about him, his admin and accomplishments (or lack thereof).
Oh, I can lose it on a bad day, and I have trouble being objective when Trump starts talking about haunting the rest of us forever.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:48 pmThomas More’s head was displayed on a pike above London Bridge for a month after Henry removed it.
More deserved it. Book-and-blasphemer-burner. Sure he stood up against Henry for “principle” but he also burned a lot of heretics for principle, too.
As for the heads and pikes, it’s not what comes to mind about that period.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:53 pm122. Gawain’s Ghost (b25cd1) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:22 pm
The several hundred (only) are the number of ballots some election official in Pensylvania said – I’m not sure exactly what , but I think came in/would come in and would be counted only because of the court decision. That means I think delivered from Wednesday November 4 through Friday November 6, but without postmarks. November 4, of course, almost had to be put in the mail no later than November 3.
There are plenty of other mail in ballots that need to wait so that provisional ballots can be checked against them.
Mostly. What is not frivolous is probably trivial.
Nobody is going to help him damage government of the people.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:54 pmOver at Powerline, Steven Hayward has a good line about the grifters of the Lincoln Project:
The post points out that Trump won 93% of the Republican vote this year, up from 90% four years ago. The idea that a bunch of “Biden Republicans” were created seems to be a myth. But hey, all those Lincoln Project guys got paid, didn’t they?
JVW (ee64e4) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:55 pmThings Trump did well:
1. Betsy DeVos.
2. Judges.
3. Shelter-in-Mexico border policy.
4. Killing ISIS.
5. Israel.
Things he did poorly: Everything he turned his mind to, rather than letting grownups handle.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:58 pm@183. Well, ‘Perpetual Afghanistan’ has some rhyme to it. Up the Khyber Pass and so forth.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:58 pmDepends who you ask. Lots of people do use the term that way. Same for “Left” equaling “opposes the Right.”
lurker (d8c5bc) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:59 pmall those Lincoln Project guys got paid, didn’t they?
Those are the same guys who get paid in every election.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:59 pmDepends who you ask.
I try to be selective in who I ask questions of.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:00 pmKevin, I would add, stimulus relief this past summer.
qdpsteve (8d496a) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:00 pmToo bad there probably won’t ever be a Part II on that, but oh well.
@209 No one is required (or has been required) to have health plans that pay for abortion.
Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:01 pmTwitter just banned Bannon’s account, the one that called for the murders of Fauci and Wray.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:03 pmSwell guy. I hope there’s enough evidence to convict and jail him.
Georgia is at +3500 for Trump with only three counties left to go and a swing somewhere between 2000 and 5000 votes towards Biden depending on the mix of the remaining ballots.
Out of 5 million votes. If it matters it will have to be recounted; a margin less than 0.1% is an automatic recount everywhere.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:06 pmbut it was the press he took it out on, and they probably deserved it.
Not quite- his career is loaded w/Tricky Dick stuff; Gahaghan… his treason through Chenault and, of course, putting America through hell hiding what he knew the Pentagon Papers revealed, went into Cambodia and Laos, got 30,000 Americans killed for nothing, and, of course, his Watergate crimes. No apologies for The Big Dick, please.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:06 pm@224. Those are the same guys who get paid in every election.
Just like pollsters.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:07 pmKevin, I would add, stimulus relief this past summer.
I would not — his contribution was to muddle. I might give him points for blocking Pelosi’s bail-out-the-pensions “stimulus relief” recently. Mucking things up in chaos is his superpower.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:08 pmOnly idiots blame Nixon for Vietnam. Some pooches come screwed.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:09 pm208.Romney calm, reliable, and spot-on…
Dogs disagree.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:10 pm226, a lot of that was prodded on by Steve Mnuchin, who didnt initially strike me as that type with his stern stewardship of IndyMac bank during the Great Recession.
urbanleftbehind (386524) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:10 pm@233. Only fools make excuses The Big Dick and hs responsibility for half the dead and the hell he caused on his watch, Kevin. Don’t play the fool, Kevin–you’re smarter than that.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:13 pmI received this e-mail from a friend today:
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:18 pmIt’ll be over in about three hours. Trump’s lead is only 2,497, and there are 5,726 votes remaining in Clayton County, which has voted 80% Biden. Using 75%, Biden will be ahead by around 300 votes, and with all the trends still pointing in his direction.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:19 pmI assume (and hope) you mean for his fraud and money-laundering, not for his idiotic and obnoxious hyperbole.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:20 pmWorm wriggling on hook.
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:26 pm@238. … and heart-beat-away-Harris smiled.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:29 pmGeorgia is another state where the Green Party was kept off the ballot.
In 2016, Stein was on the ballot in 44 states. In 2020, Hawkins only got on 28 — because the Dems are all about voting rights, or something.
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:30 pmBiden leading by 503 votes in Georgia? And after Kemp went to all the trouble to flood the Fulton County (that’s Atlanta) election offices, too. He should have flooded the post offices, that’s where the Biden ballots are coming from.
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:32 pmSo it looks like Biden is headed for at least 306 electoral votes.
306. Landslide. Blowout. Historic.
Somehow Biden has equaled President Trump’s historic landslide in 2016!
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:33 pmDon’t play the fool, Kevin–you’re smarter than that.
And yet I argue with one.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:33 pmA country that re-elects the likes of Lindsey Graham deserves to have it’s ass kicked into the middle of the next decade.
The Ukraine awaits; ‘Tanks a lot,’ says Vlad.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:33 pm@245. Then put down the mirror, sweetie.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:34 pmJVW wrote:
Here in the Bluegrass State, Amy McGrath Henderson blew $88 million, versus $55 million for Mitch McConnell, and wound up with the worst performance of any of Mr McConnell’s previous opponents save the sacrificial lamb candidate of 2002, Lois Combs Weinberg.
Mrs Henderson has proved to be a fund-raising machine; she outraised, and outspent, Rep Andy Barr (R-KY 6th District) $8.2 million to $5.5 million in her 2018 campaign, but won the silver medal in that race, too.
The Kentucky Senate race was always a foregone conclusion. Mitch McConnell has never lost an election, and Mrs Henderson, a loser in the Commonwealth’s second most liberal district, never had a chance statewide.
The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:34 pmIt’ll be over in about three hours. Trump’s lead is only 2,497
It cannot be decided by a literal handful of votes in 5 million. No counting system is that good, and the uncertainty on signatures matching is at least 1%. If Georgia decides it, we are in for a recount. My guess is Trump won’t concede.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:36 pmExactly. The man is literally and criminally indicted.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:37 pmDon’t you mean at most? And I suspect he loses AZ, so my bet is 295.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:39 pm@245. Nixon’s War (1969–70) | Encyclopedia.com
http://www.encyclopedia.com
“You fool! To cross da vire ist death!” — ‘The Great Escape’ 1963
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:40 pmI kind of noticed that the seasoned professional political class handily kicked butt across the board against ambitious young upstarts, Dana in Kentucky.
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:40 pmCNN reporting Biden’s lead in Arizona is narrowing. Don’t know if there are enough outstanding ballots to swing the state, but CNN doesn’t sound confident.
Hoi Polloi (66077a) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:41 pmMy God. Ted Cruz is on Fox defending Trump’s presser today. Can The Donald have him and Lindsey surgically removed from his rectum at Walter Reed before he leaves office?!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:42 pm@254. The fella at Fox who called it is likely sweating bullets.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:43 pmIn AZ, where they will not report again until morning, they have 200,000 votes to count and Biden’s lead has slipped to about 46,000. I am effing amazed at all the people who can psychically count, or perhaps manipulate ballots with their minds to get the result the want.
Georgia is so close it must be recounted. Nevada might be callable soon for Biden. NC should have been called for Trump yesterday. PA may make it all moot if it goes for Biden decisively, but it looks like it’s headed for a recount, too.
THIS WILL TAKE TIME.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:43 pmNo counting system is that good
From your post to Deutsche Bank’s ears.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:45 pmRecent updates from NYT:
Alicia Parlapiano, in Washington 17m ago:
Alicia Parlapiano, in Washington 26m ago:
Jennifer Medina, in Phoenix 27m ago:
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:45 pmIf Biden holds on in NV and AZ, and completes the comeback in PA and GA, Trump would need to steal at least three states to reverse the outcome.
I’d say there’s still some chance (but less than 50%) that AZ flips in the final count.
The others, no way, short of some major mistabulation.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:47 pmThis… all of this.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:49 pmDevil’s Advocate time:
Suppose that Trump really IS being cheated. Even paranoids have enemies. What would have to happen for this to be true. Can a small group create the ballots needed and fool everyone else? Does it require too many folks (making it impossible to keep secret)? Are the news media complicit?
HOW DEEP DOES THIS CONSPIRACY GO???/??!!11!!!
(much later)
Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water, Mandrake?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:50 pm@257 I think someone reported that if Georgia is less than .5% then it goes to automatic recount.
Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:51 pm@249 There’s still sizable number of military ballots in GA that hasn’t come in yet.
The military voters may just be what Trump needs to keep GA.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:52 pmThe pointy-headed types seem to think Biden can hold on in AZ. But it could certainly go the other way.
NC has been quiet for days, and while it wasn’t looking good for Biden with the last update, the current conventional wisdom might be based on inaccurate or incomplete information. So I think there’s a slim but non-zero chance of a surprise there.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:53 pm@263 …and if there ARE shenanigans, then the recount/recanvasses would suss out any irregularities.
Nate Cohn opined that they’re had to have been fraud in Atlanta, so I’m not so sure Democrats really wants any recounts.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:53 pmLet’s sweeten this potboiler and see some Electors bribed!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:56 pm@264 I think they said they had abt 9,000 that hadn’t come in yet and they need to be in by tomorrow? All the rest had been counted.
Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:56 pmHere in the Bluegrass State, Amy McGrath Henderson blew $88 million, versus $55 million for Mitch McConnell, and wound up with the worst performance of any of Mr McConnell’s previous opponents save the sacrificial lamb candidate of 2002, Lois Combs Weinberg.
Jamie Harrison in South Carolina allegedly spent $100 million of New York and California money in his futile attempt to dethrone Lindsey Graham. Unlike Ms. McGrath, Dems (thanks to the usual crappy polling) seemed to think that Mr. Harrison had a chance up until election night.
Maybe Democrats will now concede that elections really aren’t bought by big money, or at the very least that once you reach the $50 million mark or so that the law of diminishing returns strongly kicks in.
JVW (ee64e4) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:57 pmThe pre-election polls were about a point better for Biden in NC than in GA, and HRC came a point and a half closer to winning NC than GA.
So it’s mildly surprising for Biden to be doing better in GA than in NC.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:58 pm@268 Yep, you’re right and tomorrow’s the deadline (that deadline was set by Congress to allow late delivering mil ballots time if I remember correctly). Military ballots are bit of a crapshow though, they ALWAYS have issues with it.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:59 pmAn unwavering apologist for Donald J. Trump getting on his high horse about devious Republicans is just the kind of hypocrisy I expect from those quarters.
And isn’t he aware that the Republican Party has lost members because of its craven capitulation to a moral cretin?
Radegunda (20775b) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:59 pmSource?
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:00 pm@272
I’m not sure sure you can say that. The GOP gained at the House and is likely to keep the Senate.
So, if you’re looking for an repudiation of Trump’s populist message, I don’t think it’s there.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:01 pm@273
twitter last night, I’ll see if I can find it.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:02 pmTrump’s lead in PA is now smaller than his margin of victory there in 2016…
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:05 pmWhat I think will happen:
NV (6) to Biden soon. 259.
NC (15) to Trump soon. 229.
AK (3) to Trump soon. 232.
At this point, any of AZ, PA or GA gives Biden the WH. Trump of course needs all three.
GA (16) is now at Trump + 1900 out of 5,000,000 votes cast. Unless someone wins by 25,000 (0.5%), Georgia law allows a recount to be requested. There is no automatic recount.
AZ (11) is now Biden + 46,000, and continuing to narrow. 204,000 votes to count, possibly more. AZ law says a recount is automatic at 0.1%, or about 3000 votes in this case. No telling where this ends.
PA (20) is now Trump + 42,000 (6 million cast). They show 208,000 left to go. PA has an automatic recount at 0.5%, or 32,500 votes. Plus or minus.
I hear all these folks loudly claiming The End is Nigh, but I don’t see it.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:05 pmThat’s what some former insiders have said: If other people were free to work without interference from Trump, there was a good chance of success. Not so much when he tried to steer things by his “instincts” and “great brain.”
Radegunda (20775b) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:06 pm@273 Sorry dave couldn’t find it. I wasn’t sure if I saw that on his twitter feed or on the live-blogging when he was discussing with the other Nate.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:06 pmI know this probably isn’t true, but it’s starting to feel like all the uncalled states (and Arizona depending on which network you prefer) are slow rolling their recounts so that they don’t have to be the state the decides the election and gets all the negative Trump attention.
Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:09 pmJust to recap…
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:09 pmGOP retains Senate Control.
GOP gains House seats in a presidential election cycle when the other party won the White House (happens rarely; happened with Trump in 2016 as well).
GOP gains net one governorship.
GOP gains control of several key state legislatures, positioning them for redistricting next year (and the SCOTUS has fewer lefties on it so the inevitable Dem “gerrymandering” lawsuits are likely to go nowhere).
GOP loses Pat Buchanan, who was ideologically inhabiting Trump’s body.
This was a great election for Republicans. We’ll lose a mentally deranged buffoon in the Oval Office and we gained elsewhere, plus we have a nice 6-3 majority in the Supreme Court. The future is looking a lot brighter for my party, brighter than I would have believed.
On the other side, the Dems have a smaller majority in the House, with geriatric House leadership, and we’ll have a geriatric president with no mandate to speak of, and a not-very-likable VP who will hopefully stay as VP for the whole term.
What’s more, the influence of the progressive woke left is diminished because of the slimmer House majority and Biden’s narrow victory.
Even better, Trump will be a one-term loser and history will look poorly on this time in office, so it’ll suck to be a Trump sycophant or true-believer, including all the elected Republicans who carried his water.
Things are looking up!
BTW, the margin in Wisconsin is 20,000 votes out of 3.2 million cast. That’s 0.62%, which would be enough in some states, but not in WI. There, a candidate can request a recount if the margin is less than 1%, which it is. Do you think Trump will waive the recount?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:10 pmGOP loses Pat Buchanan, who was ideologically inhabiting Trump’s body.
Pat Buchanan, whatever his faults, was never a stupid man. You libel him here.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:11 pmgets all the negative Trump attention.
What is he going to do? Bleed on them?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:12 pm@282 unless there’s some potential fraud, I don’t think Wisconsin is close enough for a recount. The Madison county liberals really turned out and they’re known for their animus towards GOP. Madison is the “San Francisco” of the north. (with Austin being “San Francisco” of the south).
whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:12 pm@274
I said party “members,” not numbers who voted for the party.
And I’ve seen breakdowns where GOP down-ballot candidates significantly outperformed Trump — demonstrating that a lot of people who generally favor GOP policies do not like Trump. So that looks like R-leaning voters repudiating Trump’s “message.”
Radegunda (20775b) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:13 pmRecount rules:
https://ballotpedia.org/Election_recount_laws_and_procedures_in_the_50_states,_2020
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:14 pm@282 unless there’s some potential fraud, I don’t think Wisconsin is close enough for a recount.
The threshold I see is 1%. Trump would have to PAY for it unless some conditions are met. Recounts can also be ordered with wider margins in the case of fraud. Or I think that’s what the wall of legalese I saw says.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:16 pmNoted. I intended to convey that Buchanan and Trump were in synch on policy, not intellect.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:17 pmTrump got 11% in SF. He probably did better than that in Austin and probably in Madison.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:18 pmCA-48
Coastal Orange County
Michelle Steel Republican 179,452 50.7 %
Harley Rouda (i) Democrat 174,678 49.3
354,130 total votes 97.85% precincts reporting
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:20 pmCA-39 North Orange Co.
Young Kim Republican 146,297 50.4 %
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:21 pmGil Cisneros(i) Democrat 143,800 49.6
290,097 total votes 93.22% precincts reporting
Thomas L. Friedman
@tomfriedman
In the 2000 election Al Gore took a bullet for the country. Tonight President Trump put a bullet into the country. Most shameful thing I’ve ever seen.
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Agreed. I was asked earlier about Watergate, but there’s no comparison. As shameful as Nixon was, he was fraught with demons but he loved his country. And in the final analysis, he did the right thing. Trump? Never
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Gore conceded and took away his concession lmfao
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Gore didn’t concede until well in to December so maybe give Trump a couple weeks??
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Gore’s actions led directly to Trump’s. Gore lost by the rules, fair and square but dragged the country through the recount spectacle anyway and the media cheered him the whole way. Dems still reference a stolen election BUT Trump is “different”.
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The most atrocious fiction in modern politics is the narrative around Bush vs. Gore that the media and Democrats have spun for the past 20 years.
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“This is the worst, most outrageous, most divisive thing Trump has ever said.”
-Our mainstream media firefighters every single day for the last four years
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Don’t worry …we’re going to be underwater because of global warming in ….oh wait, that didn’t happen either, did it?
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@284 clog up their courts and cost them lawsuit money and create protests in front of the state house and governor’s mansion. Also, ongoing public shaming and bad publicity.
Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:24 pmIn other news, new record number of COVID cases. 120,000+. Sigh. Keep them in your prayers.
Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:25 pmPer https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/statewide-elections/2020-general/unprocessed-ballots-report.pdf:
235,567 ballots remain in Orange County
aphrael (4c4719) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:29 pmThere’s good reason to be leery about all the social media noise about electoral fraud.
FoxNews–thanks to the Carlson-Hannity-Ingraham triad–has truly become American Pravda.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:29 pmP.S. Someone here should mention that we had 118,205 new cases today, and this is the third day in a row where more than 1,100 Americans have perished from CV19.
Trump should request recounts where he can, and they should be done.
Recounts rarely change anything, *and* they exist for a reason.
aphrael (4c4719) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:30 pmThe last time WI was recounted, it changed something like 100 votes.
The thing is, the preliminary numbers released quickly will be vetted even without a recount, and obvious errors (if there are any) corrected before the results are certified.
The final margin in PA doesn’t look like it will be WI-sized. It should be MI-sized, or larger. From graphic in the WaPo model, I get a 270K/3.8% final margin.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:31 pmIn other news, new record number of COVID cases. 120,000+. Sigh. Keep them in your prayers.
23 New Mexicans died today of COVID. The prior record was 14.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:31 pmDave, if they get a flip of 300K+ with 200K left to count, Trump will be all over it and it will be hard to say he’s wrong.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:33 pmI know this probably isn’t true, but it’s starting to feel like all the uncalled states (and Arizona depending on which network you prefer) are slow rolling their recounts so that they don’t have to be the state the decides the election and gets all the negative Trump attention.
Heh! I was thinking the same thing, but with a different motive: They want to watch the worm wriggling on the hook for as long as possible. The Democrats, well, because they’re Democrats; and the Republicans as payback for him doing the same thing to them or their colleagues in their primaries.
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:34 pmFrom what I heard on cable news, Wisconsin will do a recount if requested and at their cost if the spread is less than 0.5%, which it is. Otherwise, the recount is paid for by the requesting party.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:38 pm303. It’s currently more than .5%
lurker (d8c5bc) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:42 pmWhat’s more, the influence of the progressive woke left is diminished because of the slimmer House majority and Biden’s narrow victory.
I read — I think it was on NRO — and interesting suggestion that this is exactly backwards. The commenter posited the idea that a narrow majority for Dems actually gives The Squad more leverage than they would otherwise have, because they can threaten to scuttle legislation they don’t like and to recruit primary challengers to more moderate Dems if they don’t get their way. Aunt Nancy (should she survive as Speaker) will be faced with the task of trying to give them as much as they want without losing more moderate Dems on legislation, or else abandoning them and running the House from the center in an attempt to win over the last few moderate Republicans.
I’ll make a prediction here: by the time the 2022 midterms roll around at least one House Democrat will change parties and become a Republican.
JVW (ee64e4) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:45 pmMaybe the model is out of date, but it predicts a central value of about 3.67M for Biden and 3.40M for Trump. That would mean there are much more than 200K left to count. The page also says 94% of the votes cast have been counted. That would leave considerably more than 200K to be counted, if accurate.
The current number of votes shown in the graphic (based on counting pixels) agrees with the actual numbers shown. The projected numbers could potentially be wrong, of course.
Even if the margin is only 1% (~65K), there no possibility of a recount changing the outcome.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:46 pmOops, you’re right, lurker, by 0.13%. The CPA in me slaps myself.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:47 pmHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
qdpsteve (8d496a) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:48 pm@301 I think the PA dashboard is votes counted rather than votes reported out. The reported out sites seem to think there are 370,000+ left to be reported out in PA.
@305 I think it might depend on how motivated both parties are to get things done. If McConnell and then the house Rs are willing to play ball, I think Congress could put out some moderate legislation. If the house Rs and then McConnell won’t play ball, I think there will be more liberal legislation getting passed that’s essentially virtue signalling.
Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:50 pmI would love to see those California Republican candidates hold on to their leads in the House elections, but I remember what happened two years ago when the leads all evaporated in the absentee vote count, and given that our state has decided to once again extend the vote counting into the next month I expect Democrats will somehow come up with the vote needed to win.
JVW (ee64e4) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:52 pmCA-48 includes Laguna Beach, where I lived for 21 years until Oct 2018. It was Dana Rohrabacher’s (“Putin’s congressman”) district forever until Rouda unseated him in 2018. It was always going to be a tough hold for Dems against anyone less obviously vile and corrupt than Rohrabacher.
It looks like Katie Porter, the Dem freshman congress-critter where I live now, will be re-elected.
I was planning to vote for the Republican in 2018, until I received multiple “ILLEGAL CARAVAN APPROACHING BORDER!!!!” text messages echoing Trump’s lies and sent on their behalf right before the election. So I abstained instead.
This year, the GOP candidate openly praised Trump, so I voted for Porter.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:05 pm310: The surprise last time was that there were so many absentees and they were all due to Democrat harvesters who know where the Democrat absentee ballots had been sent. This time there is no such imbalance.
In both cases above the leads have been expanding for a couple of days as more votes came in. There are two more as well, although one of them seems to be fading.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:12 pmNailbiter:
CA 25 North LA County
Mike Garcia i Republican 143,059 50.0 %
Christy Smith Democrat 142,794 50.0
285,853 total votes 79.74% precincts reporting
These two met earlier in a by-election for a vacant seat. It was close. Now the real thing is also close.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:17 pmCA 21 Central Valley, Fresno suburbs
David Valadao Republican 58,567 51.8 %
TJ Cox i Democrat 54,553 48.2
113,120 total votes 44.2% precincts reporting
This would be a re-flip, but not that many votes in yet. It’s the lower half of the Central Valley, mostly between I-5 and CA99 from the split on north. TJ Cox took it in the 2018 wave.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:21 pmIn CA-21 Valadao held the seat 2013-2019, lost it, now he wants it back. Rematch from 2018 election.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:23 pmSo, Dave, in 311 it seems like you’ve been finding a reason to not vote for the Republican for a while now.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:25 pmIt’s narrowed further in PA, with another 33,000 votes counted, mostly in Philadelphia County. 175K left to count. Biden trails by 27,000. If Biden wins (and I hope they don’t call it now until it’s mathematically clear), that’s the election barring recounts. A decisive PA win (> 1%) might avoid recounts. 253+6+20 = 279. Sure would want Arizona, too, since GA is going to be too close.
I would hope that, should there be no path to victory, even with all allowable recounts that Trump would give up. And resign to let Pence get some traction on COVID.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:33 pmSecretly, however, I would hope to see Trump demanding Hail Mary recounts to the point where the electoral college certification is endangered and have the Supreme Court rule 9-0 using the Bush v Gore reasoning.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:35 pmSince changed my registration to independent the day after the primary in June 2016, yes.
I voted for every Republican except Trump in 2016.
In 2018, I abstained rather than vote for Rohrabacher in the primary (I was still living in the 48th then) and in the General Election (in my new district) voted for every Republican except Congress, where I abstained.
This year I voted for no Republicans, thanks to the state party engaging in illegal ballot fraud and supporting Trump’s efforts to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt by delegitimizing vote-by-mail.
When the state and national party start acting like and nominating grownups again, I’ll consider voting for them again.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:43 pmDave,
did you support all the leftists propositions as well?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:55 pm…and they lived happily ever after?
Vladimir Putin, 68, ‘set to resign as Russian president early next year amid fears he has Parkinson’s’
Gotta give the writers credit – I doubt any of us saw this plot twist coming.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 8:59 pmNope!
I think the Uber/Lyft proposal is the only one I voted Yes on. Oh, and I guess the electronic privacy one.
No on discrimination, no on rent control, no on kidney centers, no on stem cell funding, no on the property tax ones.
Sorry to disappoint you!
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:05 pmSolon! Solon! Solon!
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:05 pmOkay, okay!
“Μηδένα προ του τέλους μακάριζε”.
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:09 pmAs of this hour, the 3rd party candidate for Senate in GA has ~113K votes. If he were not on the ballot and those voters just stayed home, or left that race blank, Perdue would be well over the 50% needed (well over 50K above 50% plus one vote). There is no way Ossoff would garner more than half of those disaffected voters who would have chosen one of the D or R candidates.
The Greens were shut/forced out of the ballot in GA. How many net votes would they have potentially siphoned from Biden?
Ed from SFV (f64387) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:10 pmWisconsin GOP urges Trump supporters to continue returning absentee ballots after the deadline, while Trump lies that counting votes submitted before the deadline is stealing the election.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:15 pmThe DUOPOLY won the election. The people lost !
Knickerbocker Slobberknocker (27d313) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:15 pm@326 At the rate they’re going, I won’t be voting for Republicans again anytime soon:
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:27 pmPat Buchanan, whatever his faults, was never a stupid man.
ROFLMAOPIP. Yeah. He was stupid: he worked for The Big Dick. =mike-drop=
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:37 pmWhat’s this GOP run PA Supreme Court story buzz about them appointing GOP Electors to throw the state to Trump regardless of the state tally all about??!!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:40 pmThe same media that is lightning quick at labeling election irregularity claims as “unsubstantiated” was pushing Trump Russia Collusion for years.
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:41 pmAllegedly, supposedly, there are ~14K votes remaining in GA. The interesting thing is that there are thousands of military ballots which could not be touched until tomorrow. The number I heard earlier in the day was up to 8K such ballots had been received throughout the state. Any which arrive tomorrow will also be counted. If the 8K are part of the 14K number, look out. DJT just could hold on. If they are separate, Biden is looking pretty good.
Ed from SFV (f64387) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:41 pmTrump will love this:
Democrats urge Georgia voters to fix their absentee ballots before a Friday deadline.
Quite a few states, including CA, I think, allow this.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:42 pm@321. Now there’s a Chinese Puzzler.
‘Man on top of hill not on level.’ – Confucius
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:43 pmIt never gets old!
To: Donald J. Trump, Jr.
From: Donald J. Trump, Jr.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:44 pmAnd Carter Page is a Russian asset.
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:00 pmYou know collusion happened. We all know it. Just like we all know hunter’s a sleaze who traded on his daddy’s name.
Give me a break.
Dustin (4237e0) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:13 pmHere’s a good round-up of all the allegations electoral fraud, and practically every assertion is full of sh*t. Not to say fraud doesn’t happen, but it’s rare.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:16 pmNot sure.
The FBI had tape recordings of Russian spies discussing how they planned to recruit him, though.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:22 pmSenator-elect Tuberville is wasting no time getting his nose up Trump’s rectum as far as possible:
Explicatin’ it so even the good folks in Bug Tussle can follow along!
On Hannity, natch.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:27 pmKevin McCarthy on Fox: “What’s very interesting here and shows more of the fraud: Not one Republican incumbent lost…How would President Trump lose in an atmosphere like that?”
Clever fraudsters adding their fake Biden ballots knew they should vote for every down-ballot GOP incumbent so … uh … so geniuses would sniff out the fraud?
Radegunda (20775b) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:31 pmI posted an e-mail from one of my best friends at 237. Today I’m really starting to appreciate (and not in a good way) the damage Trump, the Fox triad, and much of talk radio have done to this country. I knew my friend liked Tucker Carlson, but I didn’t think he was THAT far gone. He has texted me, e-mailed me, and left a message on my phone. I didn’t have the stomach to call him back.
Anyway, here are his latest texts:
I don’t even know how to deal with him at this point. I bet him that Trump would lose his re-election bid. I can’t bring myself to tell him that I voted for Jo Jorgensen, or that he has fallen prey to a false god.
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:37 pmCory Gardner and Martha McSally will be delighted to hear that!
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:40 pmOh wow, norcal – I thought you were agreeing with him when you posted that earlier quote…
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:45 pmI have never understood about Tucker Carlson. You get all of these hard working, often blue-collar guys watching Fox news and listening with respect to Tucker Carlson of all people. He’s a trustfund baby who’s never done a day of real work in his life and has spent his entire adulthood as a political commentator. How do they respect that?
Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:46 pm@344 LOL! I thought the ridiculousness of the e-mail spoke for itself! It just goes to show that one can never assume one’s meaning is clear.
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:56 pmFrom what I’ve seen of the vote count in Pennsylvania, it is only a matter of time before they call it for Biden, making him Prez-Elect. There are still about 1/8th of votes remaining to be counted in Philadelphia County, and some in Montgomery County, a blueish Philly suburban county. One telling sign is that Biden took the lead in Erie County, which Trump won in 2016. Trump is also underperforming in some of the red counties if I remember correctly.
I have no idea about Arizona, or where the outstanding votes are coming from. Biden still has a 4 point lead in Maricopa County, but is shrinking. I still don’t think any Republican prez candidate wins Arizona without winning Maricopa, given that over 60 percent of AZ’s population lives there. What is interesting is that Sen. McSally’s vote percentage is similar to Trump’s. I think that if Trump is able to pull off a win in AZ, that McSally would have a 90 percent chance of winning as well. If Biden holds on, then Mark Kelly wins it. Time will tell.
As for Georgia, Biden got a lot of votes from Fulton County(Atlanta), and now the difference is roughly 2000 votes. From what I’ve heard, it will come down to the overseas absentee ballots that still have to be counted. I think that compared to Arizona, Georgia is more likely to go for Trump than Arizona. It is anyone’s guess.
In Nevada, Clark County has like 3/4ths of Nevada’s population, so even if Biden just maintains a steady small lead there, it will push up his overall margins. His lead there is 9 points, and statewide it is about 1 point. The last GOP candidate to win NV was Bush 43, and that was when Washoe County(Reno) was a Republican county. Ever since Washoe turned into a slightly blue county, the state turned into a light blue swing state.
I think North Carolina goes to Trump, and Thom Tillis wins reelection.
At the very least, Biden will win the Electoral College 279-259 assuming AZ and GA go to Trump. If both states go to Biden, then it will be 306-232 in Biden’s favor. Ironically, 306-232 was the electoral vote winning margin for Donald Trump in 2016, before the faithless electors subtracted from the totals. Either way, there will be 75 more days left of presidential rage tweeting and hissy fits. Presidential Tweetdom will quiet down to boredom afterwards.
HCI (92ea66) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:57 pmThese are not no-names going on TV to spout this seditious lunacy and rile up Trump’s suggestible, gun-loving cultists.
They are some of the most powerful people in the GOP.
And the other thing that scares me is that Trump has so obviously lost, yet they seem determined to go to the brink with this.
Gore made some stupid tactical decisions in 2000, but they had a legitimate chance to prevail. Short of declaring martial law, arresting anyone who won’t bend the knee (which, of course, he’s been promising to do forever) and making himself dictator, Trump has no chance to prevail here.
What is the endgame here if Trump and a significant number of GOP henchmen continue to double-down on a losing hand? At a certain point, they will have staked so much of their credibility (or what’s left of it) that backing down will be impossible.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:03 pmWe all know it. I’m not sure they do. They couldn’t possibly all lie this badly. I think they’ve honestly bought Trump’s gaslighting and conspiracy mongering, hook, line and sinker. Which isn’t that surprising. It’s why populist demagogues are so dangerous. They’re very good at persuading their credulous followers that everything they want to believe about themselves, their allies and enemies is true. When Trump says not only didn’t Putin help him, but he actually tried to get Hillary elected, the entire US intel apparatus, Robert Mueller, the GOP-led Senate Intel Committee, and even Putin himself saying “no, the opposite” falls on deaf ears.
Imagine, and yes it requires an adventurous imagination, if Trump gave a patriotic, George H.W. Bush/ John McCain-type concession speech, praising Biden and urging Trump World to support the new president. The heads exploding from cognitive dissonance would be the super-spreader event of 2020.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:04 pm@345 Carlson does a masterful job of spinning a web. Besides my friend, he has snookered a lefty that I knew in college who opened a “progressive” type of bookstore in Orem, and sat outside the store smoking, which shocked me because I knew him as a BYU student.
He later moved to Portland and is now a self-described pothead. And yet he loves Tucker Carlson, which greatly disappoints a lefty friend I have in common with this guy.
Go figure.
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:09 pmAs ‘early voting’ is becoming the norm, why wait: I’ll mail my 2024 ballot in to the registrar for Nikki Haley tomorrow on something we call paper.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:10 pm@343. Sw that; McCarthy was speaking about the House in that interview.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:12 pmCompared to Donald J. Trump, Tribune of the Working Man, I’d say Tucker Carlson is totally legit…
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:19 pm@353 I’d put them about equal in actual cred (maybe slightly more cred to Trump, he’s a good marketer and even though he fails, at least he tries, while Carlson’s never even made the effort), but I get the appeal of Trump for some guys. He’s brash, he gets the chicks, he splashes his money around, there’s something of a fantasy aspect there. Carlson OTOH has no sex-appeal and he looks and sounds like a whiny, often clueless, dweeb.
Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:26 pm@354 Are you saying that Trump has sex-appeal? 🙂
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:29 pmI’ve always loved Patrick’s description of Tucker’s facial expression as “a cocker-spaniel trying to do calculus”.
I’ll never be able to look at him without seeing that!
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:32 pmI thought it was a chipmunk trying to do calculus.
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:33 pm@356 IDK about that, but he seems to have had game at some point. Tucker def has no game.
Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:33 pmoops, @355
Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:33 pmNo worries, Nic. I got it anyway.
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:34 pm@355
First, you get the money.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:35 pmThen, you get the power.
Then, you get the women.
Nic,
I have another mom story for you. You know she’s a jokester, right? She recently went to have her blood drawn. Her veins have always been hard to find. She told the phlebotomist, “Your attempt will be in vein.”
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:36 pm@361 Signed, Rupert Murdoch, who has been seen with Jerry Hall, Mick Jagger’s much younger ex-wife.
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:38 pm@360 😛 @362 *laughs*
@361 There is a certain type of woman for whom money and power = sex appeal. Possibly that category might include Slavic nude models.
Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:39 pmActually, Tucker’s wife of 29 years (and high-school sweetheart) is more attractive to me than any of Trump’s mail-order brides.
If he treats her with respect, and they’re happy, he’s got all the game anyone could ask for.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:50 pm@364 I guess that includes house-of-cards pretend money and putative power.
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:51 pm@365 Did you know that Trump saved the box that Melania came in? That way, when she ages out he can send her back.
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:54 pm@365 I agree. Tucker’s wife is cute and natural-looking.
norcal (a5428a) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:55 pm@365 It does look like he got a winner.
Nic (896fdf) — 11/6/2020 @ 12:03 amI recall a couple times reading Tucker being interviewed, and it was almost like he dropped out of character and became an honest, reflective person.
If he *is* an honest, thoughtful person deep down, what a tragedy that he has to earn his living peddling toxic, insipid bullsh!t every night to keep his audience coming back for more of the same.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/6/2020 @ 12:07 amLess than 700 votes now in GA…
Dave (1bb933) — 11/6/2020 @ 12:10 amLess than 14 days… Joe Biden turns 78 year old.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2020 @ 12:12 am@370. Peddling crap: Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson is an heir to the TeeVee dinner fortune.
Eat your peas and carrots, Davey. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2020 @ 12:16 amwhat a tragedy that he has to earn his living peddling toxic, insipid bullsh!t every night to keep his audience coming back for more of the same
I think this applies to all media, left or right, who preach to their respective choirs.
norcal (a5428a) — 11/6/2020 @ 12:21 amA sizable chunk of the GOP leadership is putting their courage on display by keeping quiet in the face of Trump’s assault on our national institutions:
A few are trying to square the circle by paying lip service to Trump without following him down the rabbit hole:
And a handful are actually showing some patriotism:
Dave (1bb933) — 11/6/2020 @ 12:28 amMaybe I’m being naive or exercising selective memory, but I don’t remember it being this bad.
Before my Trump-driven apostasy, I was as deep in the right-wing bubble as anyone. There were a handful of tribe-mates who I recognized as untrustworthy and dishonest (e.g. Mark Levin), and avoided like the plague.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/6/2020 @ 12:49 amGA difference is 463 votes.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 11/6/2020 @ 12:55 am@376 No, you’re right. Trump has ramped it up, causing the left to do the same. I agree about Levin. I disliked him even before Trump came on the stage. Levin has no sense of humor. I would listen to Michael Savage before I would listen to Levin. At least Savage wanders into old New York stories on occasion.
norcal (a5428a) — 11/6/2020 @ 1:10 amAll of the jumping on the Trump Train pushed me out of that bubble like nothing else.
Radegunda (20775b) — 11/6/2020 @ 1:26 amBiden up 917 in GA.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 11/6/2020 @ 1:27 am@380. And another bastion of Ruby Red conservatism bites the dust.
Glorious.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2020 @ 1:52 am378, thank you! I share the exact same sentiment re Savage vs. Levin, and for me at least, Savage vs. Limbaugh.
urbanleftbehind (ab2a96) — 11/6/2020 @ 3:07 am177. Appalled (1a17de) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:50 pm
Biden is now in the lead.
Calling Georgia [16] now would only create a tie at 269. For Trump t also get 269 he would have to reverse the lead in Arizona [11] and Nevada [6] and won Pennsylvania. If Biden won all tree, he wold have 306 Electoral votes, this duplicating exactly but in reverse (and with different states) the initial outcome (before faithless electors) of the 2016 vote.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/6/2020 @ 3:43 amSammy,
I predicted to my friend prior to the election that Biden would win by the same electoral count that Hillary lost to Trump! I have the text to prove it!
norcal (a5428a) — 11/6/2020 @ 3:55 amMr M wrote:
Uhhh, please remember that we avoided an Al Gore presidency by 529 votes in the Sunshine State.
The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280) — 11/6/2020 @ 5:03 amJVW wrote:
The population of the Bluegrass State is roughly 4½ million, out of whom 2,100,301 ballots were cast in the senatorial race, in preliminary reports; there may be a few write-in ballots not in that total. Amy McGrath Henderson spent roughly $111 for each of the 793,729 votes she received, while Mitch McConnell spent roughly $45 for each of the 1,222,746 votes he got.
The airwaves (satellite waves in my case) were flooded with campaign commercials for Mrs Henderson, with less of a flood, though still high waters, for Senator McConnell. After some point, people start to get annoyed by the continual repetition. The Law of Diminishing Returns was once again validated.
The public were aware of both candidates, not just from this cycle but from the big effort on Mrs Henderson’s behalf in 2018, and the only way Mr McConnell was going to lose this campaign is if he had croaked before the election. Hell, even if he had died, he still might have won!
The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280) — 11/6/2020 @ 5:22 amnk wrote:
Or, perhaps, anticipating a recount, they are being extra careful with the original count to avoid looking like idiots during a recount.
The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280) — 11/6/2020 @ 5:28 amDave wrote:
Rather than abstaining, this was a place to cast a vote for the Libertarian candidate, assuming there was one.
The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280) — 11/6/2020 @ 5:32 amMr lurker wrote:
Really? With a staff full of Democratic leaning attorneys, $35 million in government money and two years in which to do the work, the Special Prosecutor was unable to make the case that such happened. The Democrats in the House of Representatives, who loathed President Trump to a man, could not find enough in the Mueller Report on which to base an article of impeachment.
Your statement would seem to be in violation of our host’s stated rule, “Leave your comments below, as long as you are not spreading unsubstantiated rumors about election fraud.”
The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280) — 11/6/2020 @ 5:42 amThe only real question is: will President Trump attend Joe Biden’s inauguration? My guess is that he will not.
The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280) — 11/6/2020 @ 5:54 amOr, perhaps, anticipating a recount, they are being extra careful with the original count to avoid looking like idiots during a recount.
Forgive me for saying so, but I don’t think that’s much of a conspiracy theory.
nk (1d9030) — 11/6/2020 @ 5:57 amCNN reports Philly vote pushes PA to Biden; So far, 87% went to Joe, Trump lost Erie County, too. Early vote by mail before debate fracking gaffe, really hurt Trump. PA only energy producing state going to Joe..
If trend keeps going, it’s over.
The Empire Strikes Back:
Trump loses.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2020 @ 6:07 am280. Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:09 pm
My thought was that the motive for this could be so that there wouldn’t, or almost wouldn’t, be any state that puts Biden over the top, so that you get a rat-a-tat-tat situation. And then, the thinking would be that Trump would feel it was too much to challenge.
And that this is being co-ordinated mostly by some people associated with the Biden campaign.
Of course this would generate genuine thoughts in Donald Trump’s mind that the election is being stolen from him somehow. And needing to challenge or reverse the outcome in several states wouldn’t do too much to prevent a challenge – it didn’t in 1876, where the Republican had to get every single contested electoral vote to win the election.
Here, all that Trump could do, with all that, would be to tie, and throw the election into the House of Representatives. But then he could hope to win because they vote by state delegation, and the Republicans may have 26 states, and if they all vote by party line, he would be elected. But the Republicans won’t do that – you can see that now.
Although if there is any kind of a deadlock, caused, let us say, by Utah voting for someone chosen by a faithless elector, the Senate, where there are only two choices, and they vote individually, might elect Mike Pence Vice President first.
(In the House a majority of the total number of state delegations is needed, but only a plurality within each delegation, so for a state not to vote for either Biden or Trump, it must be evenly divided between the top two finishers in that state’s House delegation, or vote by plurality for the third person in the race.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/6/2020 @ 6:39 am391, so does he also take a pass on the free helicopter ride home?
urbanleftbehind (ab2a96) — 11/6/2020 @ 6:41 amEarly vote by mail before debate fracking gaffe, really hurt Trump.
Keeping the Green Party off the ballot and keeping Jorgensen on is what killed him.
But, hey, vote suppression….
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/6/2020 @ 6:44 amIn CA (except for the presidential race), there are only choices in the General Election: the top two vote getters of the “jungle primary”.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/6/2020 @ 6:48 amWatching Trump’s cultists rend their garments over the fate of the Green Party…
*chef kiss*
… priceless!
Dave (1bb933) — 11/6/2020 @ 6:51 am…and PA is called for Biden.
Congrats to everyone who wanted Trump out of office.
I can only pray that the GOP wins at least one of the GA Senate runoff in January. That’s going to be the most expense senate race in history.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/6/2020 @ 6:52 amNow I’ll be praying that Biden survives all four years, with most of his marbles intact.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/6/2020 @ 6:57 am@397: Says someone who voted for Kamala. LOL
And the self-owning begins….
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/6/2020 @ 7:05 amwhembly:
Think of the Senate vote as an incentive for Mitch to make sure Trump does not try to stay on as President. Because his power depends on an electorate that went for Biden because just enough people could not abide Trump.
Appalled (1a17de) — 11/6/2020 @ 7:07 amDCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2020 @ 6:07 am
Biden is losing a lot of non-legal (not illegal) votes cast by people who failed to enclose their ballot in a security or privacy envelope but instead sent in “naked ballots”
They are disqualified and not counted.
I heard that people whose votes are lost that way (which should be around 10% of the total number of absentee ballots) are being notified; but if the system is anything like New York’s, without that envelope there is no clue as to whose ballot that was, but you would only know the precinct, unless somebody write their return address on the most outer envelope, or it is printed there.
Are people voting by mail in Pennsylvania supposed to use 3 envelopes to send it in? (the outer envelope, the envelope on which they sign their name and a third envelope to enclose the ballot in?)
No, not three envelopes, but you sign on the back of the outer envelope that says Business Reply Mail. (There’s an alternative witness requirement for someone unable to sign)
The whole thing is a kind of a general literacy test. Like the Reader’s Digest sweepstakes uses, only harder. The inner envelope hasn’t got any other use, except that it allows the ballot to still remain secret for a period of time after it has been accepted, so that it won’t actually be opened by the same people who verified the signature and know whose ballot that is.
https://billypenn.com/2020/10/04/pennsylvania-naked-ballot-mail-voting-guide-secrecy-envelope-deadline-signature-philadelphia
But this time they’ll toss them – President Trump made sure.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/6/2020 @ 7:11 am@395. No. It’s this early voting crap. What’s the point of lengthy, expensive campaigns, void of intense media scrutiny, discussion and debate over issues culminating on an ‘election day’- especially if a candidate running reveals an intent in direct opposition to your self-interests a week before election day after you’ve already voted a month out?
I’ve already decided I’m voting for Nikki Haley for POTUS in 2024. I’d like to mail my vote in tomorrow– why wait.
So if she comes out in support of televised gay sex from all public water fountains in America and bans fracking, hot fudge sundaes as well as pepperoni pizzas and cold beer a week before election day in 2024– oops, any early, ‘banked’ vote can’t be changed.
That’s not ‘democracy’ at work; That’s chicanery at play.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2020 @ 7:12 am116. Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:24 pm
hat was not correct.
Some ballots are going to be released from Clark County today, and more on Saturday.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/6/2020 @ 7:13 am@401 Appalled:
I don’t think he has much of a say really.
Trump team is going to contest and ask for recounts/Courts to rejects ballots. So, we’re going to see a redux of Bush vs Gore on steroid in these next few weeks. As someone who didn’t want Democrats in any sort of power, even *I* think it’s a near impossibilty for Trump to flip these states back.
I’m heartened by the idea that the GOP made gains in Congress and the likelihood of a majority Senate. But, I think GOP voters who refused to vote for Trump will rue this day. A Biden/Harris administration *can* do lasting damage with just the Whitehouse to such degree that folks will have buyer’s remorse.
We’ll see.
whembly (c30c83) — 11/6/2020 @ 7:14 amTrump’s incompetence is doing the ultimate, irreparable harm to over a thousand Americans a day.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/6/2020 @ 7:22 am@406 Hyperbole. Not even close.
whembly (a3f260) — 11/6/2020 @ 7:25 amThe equivalent of two 9/11’s every week.
The equivalent of a Vietnam War every two months.
Plus the economic damage and all the other disruption of peoples’ lives.
Dave (1bb933) — 11/6/2020 @ 7:50 amThere were 100,000 newly diagnosed Covid cases in the United States for the first time on Wednesday.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/6/2020 @ 8:08 amOne place to see what the election results are:
https://www.nydailynews.com/election-2020-results
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/6/2020 @ 8:10 am