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10/21/2020

Media Not Necessary: Trump Provides His Own Bad Publicity

Filed under: General — Dana @ 1:56 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Jim Geraghty over at NRO posits that Trump has a record worth defending, if only he were interested in doing so. Instead, Trump is more focused on…attacking Dr. Fauci, whom he, just days ago, described him as a “disaster”:

Yesterday, President Trump told his supporters on a conference call, regarding the pandemic, “People are saying whatever. Just leave us alone. They’re tired of it. People are tired of hearing [Dr. Anthony] Fauci and all these idiots.” And then he added a few tweets, “Tony should stop wearing the Washington Nationals’ Mask for two reasons. Number one, it is not up to the high standards that he should be exposing. Number two, it keeps reminding me that Tony threw out perhaps the worst first pitch in the history of Baseball!”

The president and his team could do a much better job defending their record; but you cannot make a president take actions he doesn’t want to take.

And while we know that Trump was fanning the flames of his base, it really doesn’t say much about the caliber of those supporters on the call with him, nor the President’s view of them. Of course, this sort of attack on Fauci is nothing new, and we’ve already seen how petty, insulting and even retaliatory Trump can be toward those (with far more experience in a specific matter) who publicly disagree with his often uninformed and unfactual opinions. This is really nothing new. But two weeks before an election does not seem like an opportune time for a sitting president to go after a popular American figure and infectious disease specialist who is clearly working around the clock to get a pandemic under control.

Geraghty goes on to suggest that Trump should focus on what he has accomplished rather than going after Fauci, and provides a list of what he views as Trump’s accomplishments. You can read the list at the link. I will simply say that I have a few issues with his list (or how certain items are presented), but the point in writing this post is to point out a specific time when Trump has provided his own bad publicity and that we should let him be responsible for such and not blame the media for it.

Geraghty, after listing what he regards as Trump’s accomplishments, then makes a final, rueful observation of Trump:

But the president really, really thinks he’s got Fauci nailed on that wild first pitch at the Nationals game, so he’ll focus on that.

Trump is his own worst enemy (and it’s true that most of us are our own worst enemy too). However, to my recollection, Trump has never displayed any observable recognition or understanding of that and therefore makes no effort to get out of his own way. This, of course, also makes it easier for him to blame others for his disasters, P.R. and otherwise.

These were Trump’s comments about Fauci two days ago:

“Dr. Tony Fauci says we don’t allow him to do television, and yet I saw him last night on @60Minutes, and he seems to get more airtime than anybody since the late, great, Bob Hope,” Trump tweeted, referring to the legendary comedian.

“All I ask of Tony is that he make better decisions. He said ‘no masks & let China in.’ Also, Bad arm!” he continued, mocking the opening pitch that the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases threw way off the plate at the long-awaited 2020 MLB season opener in June.

Trump, who has shunned wearing a mask, also accused the ardent Washington Nationals fan of wearing an ineffective facial covering.

“P.S. Tony should stop wearing the Washington Nationals’ Mask for two reasons. Number one, it is not up to the high standards that he should be exposing. Number two, it keeps reminding me that Tony threw out perhaps the worst first pitch in the history of Baseball!” Trump went on.

And on Monday, Trump also said this to his staff:

“People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots, these people that have gotten it wrong. Fauci is a nice guy,” Trump said, indicating he wanted to fire the Brooklyn-born director of the NIAID but couldn’t because of potential public outrage.

“Every time he goes on television there’s always a bomb, but there’s a bigger bomb if you fire him. Fauci’s a disaster. If I’d listened to him, we’d have 500,000 deaths,” Trump said.

[Ed. I shouldn’t have to say it but I will say it as a pre-emptive strike: This does not in any way absolve major media outlets from any unprofession bias against Trump in their reporting.]

–Dana

49 Responses to “Media Not Necessary: Trump Provides His Own Bad Publicity”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (6995e0)

  2. Any sane observer should be able to acknowledge that accomplishments achieved under this Administration, but this one passage bears a bit more unpacking:

    You see this on issue after issue, where the administration’s record is defensible or even worth celebrating, but the president isn’t interested in the details, and thus rarely or never mentions them.

    The reason the President isn’t interested in the details is because he’s not interested in the issues, and as a result lets his subordinates pursue their own pet projects. Sometimes this yields positive results, such as in criminal justice and Arab-Israeli relations; sometimes this yields horrific results, such as in immigration and border policy. But the key is that Trump is mostly a passive observer to his own Presidency, doing little more than entrusting others to chart a course for him–and given his own assessments of his hand-picked staff, that’s not something we need four more years of.

    (Not That) Bill O'Reilly (6bb12a)

  3. Geraghty reminds me a little of Erick Erickson, where he tries to make the case that if only Trump had some message discipline, he could turn things around. Problem is, Trump has never had message discipline, he doesn’t have the temperament or self-control to stay on message. He just blurts out whatever unfiltered nonsense that comes out of his diminished brain.
    There’s a really NYT piece here that lays out all of Trump’s accomplishments in office, and I was actually a little surprised because he’s done more than I thought. However, it’s not enough reason for him to get reelected. He’s too mentally, spiritually, morally and temperamentally unfit to stay in the job, IMO.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  4. If I’d listened to him, we’d have 500,000 deaths,” Trump said.

    We’re halfway there.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  5. Anyone surprised?

    @seungminkim
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    ’s report that the 10 Democratic senators on the Judiciary Committee will boycott the committee vote on Amy Coney Barrett tomorrow

    whembly (c30c83)

  6. Trump is Biden’s best surrogate.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  7. Trump is unable to (factually) defend his record. Any defense will be exaggerated or outright lies.
    It’s in his nature.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  8. Trump, who has shunned wearing a mask, also accused the ardent Washington Nationals fan of wearing an ineffective facial covering.

    “P.S. Tony should stop wearing the Washington Nationals’ Mask for two reasons. Number one, it is not up to the high standards that he should be exposing. Number two, it keeps reminding me that Tony threw out perhaps the worst first pitch in the history of Baseball!” Trump went on.

    I’m not sure if the New York Post is interpreting President Trump’s comments correctly. Instead of dinging Fauci for not wearing an effective mask — which would be odd considering that Trump himself eschews masks — it strikes me that he is making some stupid claim that a federal official like Fauci shouldn’t be showing favoritism to a particular MLB team. But with Trump, it’s always hard to tell what the hell he truly is talking about.

    And did Trump actually say “exposing” instead of “espousing”? It wouldn’t surprise me.

    JVW (13125e)

  9. And did Trump actually say “exposing” instead of “espousing”? It wouldn’t surprise me.

    “I have words; I have the best words.”

    I do think it’s poor judgment for a government representative to wear a baseball team’s mask when doing his job. Not because of favoritism, but because it looks unprofessional. The same reason wearing a baseball cap (say, one with “Make America Great Again” blazoned across it) or jersey while doing an interview or making a press statement would be unprofessional.

    Every accusation from Trump is a confession.

    Dave (1bb933)

  10. Fauci’s pitch was awful but he’s 80 years old. I hope I’m in as good as shape as him when I’m 80. I don’t think Trump had a real point about the mask except it was the lead to the joke that he didn’t pitch well. Obviously Trump’s little campaign against Fauci is the dumbest closing argument in the history of presidential elections. It isn’t going to take a single Biden voter back.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  11. Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson’s foray into disseminating medical quackery ends badly

    The Johns Hopkins response to Yan’s paper takes issue with the science, launching into a point-by-point rebuttal. It also includes a section pointing out “weaknesses or flaws” in the paper’s citations.

    One footnote, for instance, leads to an essay by an entrepreneur that only appears on his LinkedIn page after it was rejected by a scientific journal. Billy Zhang, a sole-proprietor consultant in Massachusetts who works with investors and governments in China, told CNN he was surprised to learn that his critique was cited in Yan’s report. LinkedIn initially removed his post, but later decided to reinstate it.

    Another footnote is attributed to an article authored by a writer and editor for an anti-genetically modified food website. Another still traces to an author CNN could not locate, who says he runs a company that appears not to exist. The paper of that author, Dean Bengston, links to a page listing him as the CEO of a Las Vegas company called Meandering Path. But a search of the business name on the Nevada Secretary of State website – as well as registries for surrounding states and other business databases – turned up no matching results.

    But it gets worse, comrades. Much worse.

    Equally troubling for a scholarly paper was CNN’s discovery that Yan’s papers bear a strong resemblance to blogs first published on G News. Yan’s papers contain paragraph after paragraph of identical theories and similar phrasing to the blogs, with some lines lifted nearly word for word.

    Plagiarism, comrades!

    And, of course, Rudy’s fingerprints are all over it too.

    Dave (1bb933)

  12. It isn’t going to take a single Biden voter back.

    Can you point to any effective closing argument by Trump that you think will pull a Biden voter back to his camp? I can’t.

    (How about his begging suburban women to like him at last week’s rally?!)

    Dana (6995e0)

  13. Trump in a townhall recorded yesterday with Sinclair Group’s Eric Bolling:

    Bolling: “With Covid, is there anything that you think you could have done differently, if you had a mulligan or a do-over on one aspect of the way you handled it, what would it be?”

    Trump: “Not much.”

    Such a biased, unfair question!

    A real journalist would have asked:

    “A lot of people say your response to Covid was better than perfect. Do you and Doctor Atlas hold Hunter Biden and his father accountable for every American death, or does Crooked Hillary deserve some of the blame too?”

    Dave (1bb933)

  14. I would think that any president, no matter what he had done during a pandemic, would be able to say yes, I would have thought about X more, and that might have led me to do Y differently. It’s mind-boggling that even with 220,000 dead Americans and some hindsight in his pocket, he can’t name one thing he would do differently. I think this speaks far more to his refusal to admit to any miscalculations or lack of judgment because that’s for losers rather than actually being reflective about his decisions.

    Dana (6995e0)

  15. Can you point to any effective closing argument by Trump that you think will pull a Biden voter back to his camp? I can’t.

    I think if he was heartfelt about the problems and challenges in his decision making, and he explained why he did what he did with COVID early on, in a way that revealed he understood it was a tough result but it was based on good reasons, something like Bush’s Decision Points book, some of the people who do not trust Biden ould come back. Trump needs to show us he’s actually in this job for our benefit. I know he’s not. He’s put his finances and his businesses first, his ego first, and we all see the outcome.

    But America wants to rally behind its leader through thick and thin.

    Trump’s lame efforts to be likeable by expressing self pity or trying to be a bully/troll are pathetic. If he showed us he was just doing a very hard job (and indeed it is a very hard job) he would get a lot of votes out of it.

    There’s another play: he can keep ramping up the disorder, selling his heavy hand as the solution. But I don’t think anyone really believes that Trump could actually be an effective force for public order.

    Unless there are some real stunts in the election and after, I think trump’s beat.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  16. I have said and continue to maintain the belief that Trump, through his own ineptitude and poor leadership, not only squandered the good-will of the American people but also any political capital that could have come from rallying Americans to fight the common enemy of COVID.

    Dana (6995e0)

  17. His hospitalization offered a golden opportunity to change his tone and messaging on the virus, Dana.

    It was late in the game, to be sure, but to me it seems like the point of no return where he could have reversed course in a way that would have reflected well on him (and been beneficial to the country) without dismaying his cult. Even if insincere (which seems like a given) all he had to do was say reasonable sounding things for a month. If he turned things around and somehow won, he could go back to pretending the problem was solved.

    I confess I was actually (and foolishly, as it turns out) worried about a Hail Mary like this. But fortunately (from the point of view of getting rid of him) and unfortunately (as concerns the damage he’s done to our country) he is simply incapable of improving.

    Dave (1bb933)

  18. I agree that his hospitalization was *the* golden opportunity re the virus, Dave. It’s too late now. Instead, of a reflective response about the virus and how he sees the light – and then living out the truth of his words – he has continued to mock masks, mock senior citizens for wearing masks (Biden), flouted social distancing protocols and has even gone so far as to attack the very person he put into place to work on ending this pandemic. Mind-boggling.

    Dana (6995e0)

  19. BREAKING- FBI HOLDS PRESSER- SAYS RUSSIA AND IRAN HAVE TRIED TO INFLUENCE U.S. ELECTIONS.

    … and Putin smiled.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  20. His hospitalization offered a golden opportunity

    Heh!

    From The Secret Annals Of Covfefe:
    And it came to pass that in the 75th year of his life, and of his reign the fourth, the Emperor Covfefe The First, and if Heaven wills The Last, did within the space of ten days gain talent, ability, competence, intelligence, judgment and temperance, and went on to reign wisely and well for another four years.

    Okay, then.

    nk (1d9030)

  21. Indeed, Brother nk, it is as the Oracle of Scranton foretold.

    Lo, Behold The Deal:

    “No miracle is coming.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  22. I’m convinced that the Walter Reed visit was a poorly staged event, a propaganda play to promote experimental and unapproved antiviral drugs and to demonstrate how virile Trump is. That picture of him pretending to be working while in the hospital, signing bills which were actually blank sheets of paper, was so lame.

    I read that he planned to walk out of Walter Reed and open his dress shirt to reveal a Superman t-shirt, but his aides talked him out of it. So instead he opted for a dramatic ripping off of his mask and giving a phony salute to a diseased country, on the White House lawn no less.

    Trump is not just his own worst enemy. He is ours. People are dying. The US leads the world in infections, hospitalizations and deaths. Yet we are supposed to have the best medical care system on the planet.

    The mini-vacation to Walter Reed was designed to make a mockery of health care professionals and experts, all to benefit his ego and need for self-aggrandizement.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  23. The guy who planned the deaths of 25 million people, lol indeed.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  24. Trump weighs firing FBI director after election as frustration with Wray, Barr grows
    President Trump and his advisers have repeatedly discussed whether to fire FBI Director Christopher A. Wray after Election Day — a scenario that also could imperil the tenure of Attorney General William P. Barr as the president grows increasingly frustrated that federal law enforcement has not delivered his campaign the kind of last-minute boost that the FBI provided in 2016, according to people familiar with the matter.

    The conversations among the president and senior aides stem in part from their disappointment that Wray in particular but Barr as well have not done what Trump had hoped — indicate that Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, his son Hunter Biden, or other Biden associates are under investigation, these people say. Like others, they spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose internal discussions.
    …….
    People familiar with the discussions say that Trump wants official action similar to the announcement made 11 days before the last presidential election by then-FBI Director James B. Comey, who informed Congress he had reopened an investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state after potential new evidence had been discovered.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  25. I’m convinced that the Walter Reed visit was a poorly staged event, a propaganda play to promote experimental and unapproved antiviral drugs and to demonstrate how virile Trump is.

    I have to admit I never considered his visit was staged. That would be really indecent, if true. It seems like such a possibility should be outrightly dismissed…

    Dana (6995e0)

  26. There have been no leaks suggesting Trump wasn’t really infected.

    I can’t see how that theory is credible either, Dana.

    Dave (1bb933)

  27. One of two things are true. Either Trump contracted Covid-19, had a serious respiratory infection that required supplemental oxygen, had to be medivacked to Walter Reed, where he was given a cocktail of experimental and unapproved drugs, was miraculously cured in three days, or the whole thing was staged.

    Everything about Trump is a lie, and he has a long history of manipulating the media. What better way to do that than faking a disease and promoting unproven remedies to show how his ineffectual response to the pandemic is better than what infectious disease experts, all of whom he dismisses, recommend?

    He derides masks, social distancing and hand sanitizers, as a sign of weakness. He regularly insults health professionals and experts. He refuses to implement policies that have successfully contained the novel coronavirus outbreak in numerous other countries.

    He dictated a fake medical report to his limousine doctor. Why then did have to be mysteriously medivacked to Walter Reed last year? Why did he have to be medivacked to Walter Reed this year? And why now, at this particular point in the election cycle?

    Either he has serious health problems, is infected and infectious, or the whole thing is faked to justify his denial of the pandemic and lack of plan to contain it.

    I can believe he tested positive. His third wife and son reportedly tested positive, as have several members of his staff. Did any of them get the emergency experimental treatment he received?

    Sorry, but the picture of him pretending to be working in the presidential suite at Walter Reed, signing blank sheets of paper, convinces me that it was all staged. Then his triumphant return to the White House, where he ripped off his mask and saluted a diseased populace, was just all too phony.

    If he really has Covid-19, at his age and weight, it won’t be long before he’s incapacitated. This virus doesn’t just affect the lungs, but other organs as well. And there are long-term aftereffects for those who supposedly recover.

    I just don’t believe that a three-day stay at a hospital and a cocktail of experimental drugs is any kind of remedy. Therefore, I think the whole thing was staged, to promote his image and agenda, which is denial and lack of a plan.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  28. The difference between this administration and the previous one is not that the Obama people weren’t liars, it’s that they were so much better at it. The main problem with lies is that you have to keep track of them (the truth is easy). And like in most things, Trump and his people are incapable of such order, so their lies are obvious.

    So, when I see something that could be a lie, but seems to hang together, I have to give Trump the benefit of the doubt as their being organised offends Occam.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  29. I think most of Trump’s self sabotage can be explained by a difference in priorities. Trump places a much higher value on his own personal brand then most public figures. He also measures it differently. He seems to measure it on very short time intervals and very much in relation to other people. So if Dr. Fauci is getting better press TODAY that’s an urgent PR problem that must be addressed. A different administration might look at the same situation and see value in Fauci being popular because it might help them accomplish a future policy goal or reflect well on the administration in general. Trump doesn’t like it because he cares less about the administration overall than how people are talking about him today. Trumps never seemed to care much about policy accomplishments as an end in themself.

    This is further complicated by Trump’s well documented desire to get revenge for slights. Fauci has at times said things that make Trump look bad. It’s very important to Trump that he get revenge and that people know he’s gotten revenge.

    TL:DR This happens because Trump is impatient, petty, self absorbed, and cares about nothing so much as what today’s news shows will say about him.

    Time123 (e0a71b)

  30. Posts like this make me miss RCocean. I learned a lot about how Trump supporters think from him.

    Time123 (e0a71b)

  31. A great example of this in real time is his feud with 60 minutes. ]

    The fact that he keeps talking about it makes it news and draws more attention to it.

    There are numerous interviews where Trump looks dishonest and struggles with a interviewer that pushes back on him.

    From the description so far, this won’t add anything new to our understanding of Trump. Unless it’s much worse then is being reported this is a repeat of the Axios interview.

    From a electoral tactics standpoint does calling attention to this help Trump turn out his base or win over potential new voters? If so, does it do a better job of that then talking about other issues (such as his efforts to get CV relief) I think that voters motivated by a “Trump picked on by media” story have already made up their minds. As have voters motivated by Trump having a bad interview. So i doubt the 60 minutes interview changes anyone’s mind either way.

    But because Trump can’t stand to look bad for even a brief moment in the media or not retaliate publicly against someone he feels has wronged him he’s spending his time on this and focusing public attention on this instead of something else.

    If you believe that the news media suffers from selection bias (as I do) this is double stupid. This story hurts him at worst, or at best doesn’t hurt Biden. It’s about Trump, and people like to read stories about Trump. Trump is giving them a story that has conflict between known personalities that is easy to tell and easy for casual observers to understand. Writing about it is also easy because ‘analysis’ is a cheap and all that’s required for ‘news’ is a couple of people ‘close to the situation’ or better sharing gossip.

    Lots of people will click on stories about this.

    Writing about policy is more work. Fewer clicks.
    Writing about Rudy’s ratf*(&ery is more work, involves less well known people, and hurts Biden. Fewer clicks and less desirable for the media.

    So instead of trying to focus the media on policy or Hunter he’s giving them plenty of material to write about here.

    Because he wants to fight for a new cycle and strike back against someone that he thinks has wronged him. He’s like a counter puncher that fires away at every twitch of the opponent.

    Time123 (f5cf77)

  32. Sad really but thats how you end with a punk like newsom who is literally crushing california.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  33. One of two things are true. Either Trump contracted Covid-19, had a serious respiratory infection that required supplemental oxygen, had to be medivacked to Walter Reed, where he was given a cocktail of experimental and unapproved drugs, was miraculously cured in three days, or the whole thing was staged.

    No, that doesn’t exhaust the universe of possibilities.

    It’s possible he was really infected, but that other information coming from him and his doctors was false or misleading.

    He might have tested positive earlier, and been secretly under treatment in the WH, before the infections of other members of the cluster like Hope Hicks forced them to admit that Trump was sick too.

    Unlike the “whole thing was staged” theory, this one does have some articulable circumstantial evidence behind it, namely the original statements from his doctor (later walked back quite implausibly) about when he became ill, followed by obvious and repeated deception on the simple question of when he last tested negative and first tested positive.

    Dave (1bb933)

  34. Posts like this make me miss RCocean. I learned a lot about how Trump supporters think from him.

    Time123 (e0a71b) — 10/22/2020 @ 2:02 am

    I agree. At least what I can recall he was direct and honest about it, which was refreshing.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  35. Number one, it is not up to the high standards that he should be exposing.

    espousing.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=espousing

    I know espousing is a comparatively rare word.

    It is impossible to seriously propose that N95 masks be worn in routine circumstances.

    Of course, what should be paid attention to is the probability that something may be or become a superspreader event.

    That depends on the length of time an infectious person may have been breathing (or worse) into non-circulating air not hit by the sun’s direct ultraviolet light (which cannot pass through most or all glass or plastic) Ordinary masks may double the time for the virus load in the air to build up.

    Coronavirus tends to spread in bursts. The spike is actually prevented from infecting cells most of the time by a loose cover, so the virus load builds up slowly inside a person.

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  36. Trump said, indicating he wanted to fire the Brooklyn-born director of the NIAID but couldn’t because of potential public outrage

    That means to me that he might do it after the election if he wins.

    Trump said he feels sorry about the idea of firing Fauci. And then he says he’s been there 350 years. (that would take him back to 36 years before Benjamin Franklin was born, and also would make him a medical marvel. Another time I think he said 500 years. Actually, it’s just a little bit over 50 years. (since 1968) And he’s been the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) only for 36 years.

    There are actually lots of problems with Fauci, and were in the 1980s, but Trump doesn’t know how to criticize. He can’t master detail or doesn’t try.

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  37. RE: 350 years.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/politics/trump-fauci-attacks-coronavirus/index.html

    Trump also said that Fauci was “500” years old then, later in the day revised the doctor’s age to “350.” (Fauci is actually 79 years old, which makes him just five years older than Trump.)

    This hasn’t happened yet:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/05/the-coming-death-shortage/304105

    Necessarily, a pay-as-you-go policy would limit access to longevity treatments. If high-level anti-aging therapy were expensive enough, it could become a perk for movie stars, politicians, and CEOs. One can envision Michael Moore fifty years from now, still denouncing the rich in political tracts delivered through the next generation’s version of the Internet—neural implants, perhaps. Donald Trump, a 108-year-old multibillionaire in 2054, will be firing the children of the apprentices he fired in 2004. Meanwhile, the maids, chauffeurs, and gofers of the rich will stare mortality in the face….

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  38. I agree. At least what I can recall he was direct and honest about it, which was refreshing.

    “Honest” isn’t the word I’d use.

    “Unapologetic” would be more accurate.

    Dave (1bb933)

  39. @34 Well, Dave, I will agree with you on some points. But it’s not a question of when Trump tested positive or negative on this or that date, because the testing is flawed. Could have been a false positive or a false negative on any given day.

    What I am saying is that the whole Walter Reed event was staged. Oh my God, Trump has Covid-19! Quick, rush him to the hospital, give him a cocktail of experimental and unapproved drugs, and three days later he’s miraculously cured so he could rip of his mask and salute a diseased population on the White House lawn? That’s just too incredulous to be believable.

    Either he has the disease or he does not. If he does, the treatment he was given wouldn’t have made it go away in three days. Unless the doctors at Walter Reed injected him with chlorine bleach, I mean. And why wasn’t he given hydroxychloroquine? Those were the two preventive measures he promoted in the first place.

    No, this entire visit was staged. Trump gets the virus, is flown to the hospital, gets experimental drugs, and is suddenly cured after three days. I don’t buy it; I don’t believe it.

    This whole event was staged, like a bad Reality TV show, to prove to the public that Trump is Superman. He had the virus, and he survived! In days. Anyone who believes that narrative is a fool.

    Either this man is seriously sick and infectious, which he probably is, or he is being covered for by his sycophants.

    We’ve all heard this sad song before.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXaqbdwI3Dc

    Left shoe shuffle, right shoe muffle,
    sinking in the sand.
    Fade out freedom, steaming heat on,
    Watch that hat in black.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  40. GG, what you’re proposing is a astounding thing that’s plausible, but has not evidence to support it over other plausible scenarios. In short it’s a baseless conspiracy theory.

    Time123 (f5cf77)

  41. 11. all that that does is tend to discredit the real Chinese responsibility.

    Isn’t it enough for Bannon for this to be a biological Chernobyl?

    The choices are not only a completely natural outbreak and being created in a lab.

    It could also have escaped from or been discarded by a lab that had collected the virus from a cave 500 miles away – specifically the Wuhan Center for Disease Control * , located 300 yards from the sea food market (which wouldn’t contain any creatures that breathe air) which was blamed for it and mischaracterized as a wet market, while it was claimed it was not transmitted from person to person..

    ——
    * Not to be confused with the more open to the world Wuhan Center for Virology, 8 miles from the seafood market. I don;t know what the Chinese names of those two places would translate to.

    One truth is that anything relating to the origin of this virus is astate secret in China, and the fact that it is a state secret, is also a secret.

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  42. The treatment involved (among other things) giving him antibodies.

    If the virus was detected relatively early, due to rapid testing turnaround, and he was pumped up with antibodies well before his “viral load” would have peaked with less aggressive treatment, it seems plausible to me (as a non-MD) that they could have nipped the infection in the bud.

    As a doctor explained it to me, the normal course of the virus is to suppress the immune response early on, and build up a dangerously large dose of pathogens. Then the immune system’s delayed response finally arrives and is so massive it can kill you.

    Dave (1bb933)

  43. One truth is that anything relating to the origin of this virus is astate secret in China, and the fact that it is a state secret, is also a secret.

    And you know this “truth” how?

    Dave (1bb933)

  44. 40. Gawain’s Ghost (b25cd1) — 10/22/2020 @ 8:19 am

    Trump has Covid-19! Quick, rush him to the hospital, give him a cocktail of experimental and unapproved drugs,

    They are not just any. The cocktail was mixture of only two synthetic antobodies from Regereneron, derived from seeing and then testing and sorting out the best ones that some mice genetically engineered to have a human immune system made.

    There is every reason to believe that it works, and Trump can criticize the FDA and whoever for demanding more clinical trials.

    There is every reason to believe that it works, and, unless Biden or some lobbyist stops it, will be approved within six months, and Trump is only to blamed for not going out on a limb for it and demanding the clinical trials be stopped because it is unethical to continue to give anyone placebo, and that authorization for its distribution OUTSIDE HOSPITAL EMERGENCY ROOMS be put into the coming coronavirus relief bill.

    But Trump would have to have a little political courage to do so, and some competence as well, although he could make up for the latter by having a good person, or a team of several, write a statement about it.

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  45. 44. accumulated reading.

    China has suppressed anything related to the timing or origin of this virus, and kept that fact itself a secret.

    By itself it wouldn’t mean anything beyond negligence.

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  46. GG:

    and three days later he’s miraculously cured

    he is, he was, although his doctors were a bit cautious, because it is, after experimental, and nobody knows what the right dosage is. The caution appears to be unjustified. His wife, Melania, who had a weaker case but did not take any medications of any sort whatsoever (she’s into healing with natural substances) still had a slight cough weeks later.

    In addition to the neutralizing antibodies, Trump did take zinc and Vitamin D and remdisivir (which he told Rush Limbaugh was a minor factor – and that shows he was repeating real reports he got from expert doctors)

    Also, one time, a steroid to slow down his immune system, which was probably given to him based on a faulty premise.

    Either he has the disease or he does not. If he does, the treatment he was given wouldn’t have made it go away in three days.

    Yes it would.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/provocative-results-boost-hopes-antibody-treatment-covid-19

    That doesn’t become untrue just because Donald Trump said so.

    https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2020/10/09/mega-maga-the-largest-radio-rally-in-history

    You know, it’s the most amazing thing — and it’s not Remdesivir. Maybe that helps a little bit. But Remdesivir is not the same thing. This is stuff that is so good. It just wiped out the virus. It wiped it out —

    GG:

    Unless the doctors at Walter Reed injected him with chlorine bleach, I mean.

    It did what he imagined chlorine bleach might do when he asked the question, and it’s safe to take.

    He didn’t get it at Walter Reed, by the way, but in the White House, where it was sent directly from Regereneron. He went to the hospital to get the remdisivir.

    And why wasn’t he given hydroxychloroquine?

    Because he found something better. He’s got some at least halfway competent people around him, and consults lots of people. But he was given zinc, and hydroxychloroquine is only supposed to work if there is enough zinc in the bloodstream. Hhydroxychloroquine also only has a weak effect and maybe zinc is the really important thing.

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  47. No, this entire visit was staged. Trump gets the virus, is flown to the hospital, gets experimental drugs, and is suddenly cured after three days. I don’t buy it; I don’t believe it.

    I believe it because I knew this would work long before Trump did.

    http://patterico.com/2020/04/05/president-trump-tells-americans-to-try-hydroxychloroquine-if-theyd-like

    Go to #9

    Dr Anthony Fauci has test, isolate, and trace as the middle game. Dr Fauci doesn’t believe in hydroxychloroquine, or artificial antibodies or any kind of treatment. Read this about what’s not being done:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-scott-gottlieb-discusses-coronavirus-on-face-the-nation-april-5-2020/

    Go to that link:

    ….DR. GOTTLIEB: ….The- the strategy that looks the most promising are these antibody-based drugs where you basically develop an antibody that can directly target the viruses. Four experienced companies working on this. There’s every reason to believe this strategy should work. It’s worked in other settings of viruses. We need to start pulling those through more quickly…

    If it is fake, then why isn’t Trump exploiting it??

    That’s not because it is not true. It’s because he’s not Reagan. Or even close.

    Actually Reagan wouldn’t do this so fast either. You have to know when to go with an argument and when not. There is a time.e proposed starting distribution with no further testing, he’d win.

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  48. This whole event was staged, like a bad Reality TV show, to prove to the public that Trump is Superman.

    Trump actually contemplated doing that – pulling off his shirt to reveal an S – and had to be talked out of it.

    https://deadline.com/2020/10/president-donald-trump-superman-stunt-twitter-reactions-1234595400

    The New York Times reported Saturday that President Trump floated the idea of a stunt when he left Walter Reed National Military Medical Center after treatment for COVID-19. The plan called for Trump to appear frail when people first saw him. Then he would open his button-down dress shirt and reveal a Superman t-shirt.

    Ultimately, he did not go ahead with the stunt.

    GG:

    He had the virus, and he survived! In days. Anyone who believes that narrative is a fool.

    If you believe he did it by himself.

    GG:

    Either this man is seriously sick and infectious, which he probably is, or he is being covered for by his sycophants.

    No, He got it, he was sick, he got the cure, and the Democrats would easily deny that, and getting Joe Biden and the overwhelming majority of the Democrats on the wrong side of that issue, could have been a key element in a winning strategy.

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)


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