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10/16/2020

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:46 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Here are a few news items to chew over. Feel free to share anything you think might interest readers. Please make sure to include links.

First news item

The Son of Man really doesn’t have a play to lay His head:

A priest in Bay Village says someone called police to report a homeless person. Turns out, it was actually a statue of Jesus.

The sculpture was created by Timothy Schmalz and depicts a man wrapped in a blanket and lying on a bench.

Within 20 minutes of the sculpture being installed at St. Barnabas Episcopal Church, police were called, according to Alex Martin, the pastor at St. Barnabas. He tweeted that he spoke with an officer because someone reported a homeless person sleeping on a park bench.

Second news item

Shot:

Chaser:

Officials in multiple states are taking aggressive steps to protect voters from efforts by militias or other armed groups seeking to congregate near polling places on Election Day, as simmering online activity indicates that some groups are trying to register as campaign poll watchers for Donald Trump’s campaign…

The measures come as online accounts tied to neo-Nazi sympathizers and “alt-right” groups such as the Proud Boys have been generating posts that encourage supporters to join the campaign’s Election Day operations, according to two new reports this week. That includes sending out links to poll-watching registration sites for the Trump campaign’s so-called Army for Trump, an effort working to recruit thousands of supports to sign up as poll watchers for the campaign on Election Day.

Third news item

You pulled this crap because you knew your supporters would love it, and that’s not a good look for any of you:

A smart politician wouldn’t give his opponent so much to work with:

Perdue’s comms director’s embarrassing attempt to cover for his boss:

Senator Perdue simply mispronounced Senator Harris’ name, and he didn’t mean anything by it. He was making an argument against the radical socialist agenda that she and her endorsed candidate Jon Ossoff are pushing, which includes the Green New Deal…Medicare-for-all, raising taxes, and holding up COVID relief for the people of Georgia.

Fourth news item

Aw, c’mon man! Uh, you do know that millions have already cast their votes, right?

Former Vice President Joe Biden said Thursday that he would take a position on “court packing” — the idea, favored by some liberals, that the Supreme Court should expand beyond its current nine justices — before the Nov. 3 election.

Biden has not laid out a clear opinion on the matter, but acknowledged during an ABC News town hall on Thursday that voters “have a right to know where I stand. They have a right to know where I stand before they vote.” The town hall Thursday evening was one of two different forums featuring Biden and President Trump.

Fifth news item

The kindness of strangers: (Read the whole thread.)

Sixth news item

One would be a fool to leave their heart in San Francisco:

George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and even Sen. Dianne Feinstein have been deemed too problematic to be featured in the names of schools in the San Francisco Unified School District by a panel of 12 community members appointed by the superintendent.

Three weeks ago, the panel found that 44 of the 125 schools in the district might have to change their names after their review. KGO reported that panel members sought to rename schools currently featuring the names of, “anyone directly involved in the colonization of people, slave owners or participants in enslavement, perpetrators of genocide or slavery, those who exploit workers/people, those who directly oppressed or abused women, children, queer or transgender people, those connected to any human rights or environmental abuse [and] those who are known racists and/or white supremacists and/or espoused racist beliefs.”

Seventh news item

Exactly. So, what could you have been thinking?

“What the heck were any of us thinking that selling a TV-obsessed narcissistic individual to the American people was a good idea? It is not a good idea,” Sasse in a recent telephone town hall with his constituents. “I think we are staring down the barrel of a blue tsunami and we’ve got to hold the Senate and that’s what I’m focused on.”

Trump “mocks evangelicals behind closed doors,” mistreats women and “flirted with white supremacists,” Sasse said.

Trump mishandled the coronavirus pandemic, botched foreign policy and sought to profit off the presidency, the senator continued.

“His family has treated the presidency like a business opportunity,” Sasse said.

Eighth news item

Okay then:

There have been many men on the court who seemed deep and were celebrated for their scholarly musings but were essentially, as individuals and in their conception of life, immature. But this is not a child, a sentimentalist, an ideological warrior. This is a thinker who thinks about reality.

She’s not what you expect when you open your handy box of categories. People who understand conservatism in a particular, maybe limited way—they don’t know what they just got.

Modern, a particular kind of Catholic, a woman, with a lived emphasis on people in community—this is not a “standard conservative.” In her independence from partisan politics, in her lived faith in higher persons, spirits and principles, this is rather a dangerous woman.

And she’s sane.

Ninth news item

Well, this isn’t good:

Millions of California ballots have been delivered to residents across the state as early voting begins for the 2020 general election, but some have gone to people who should no longer be registered to vote in the state, one group claims.

A new study from the Election Integrity Project California has found that close to 400,000 ballots have been sent to people who moved or died.

Just because:

“The truth may be stretched thin, but it never breaks, and it always surfaces above lies, as oil floats on water.”
― Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote

Have a great weekend.

–Dana

198 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (292df6)

  2. Well, Joe, all I can say is that if you haven’t stated unequivocally that you are against destabilizing the rule of law (any further) by the time I mail my ballot, I’ll be voting for Jo Jorgenson.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  3. So there!

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  4. This is likely paywalled, but it’s pretty funny:

    The day after getting out of the hospital, our steroid-addled president tweeted:

    “I have fully authorized the total Declassification of any & all documents pertaining to the single greatest political CRIME in American History, the Russia Hoax,” the president tweeted Oct. 6. “Likewise, the Hillary Clinton Email Scandal. No redactions!”

    Taking the president at his word, apparently, various news organizations with pending FOIA requests regarding Mueller’s probe insisted that the Feds do what Trump said he had authorized, and release all the documents in question without redaction.

    Hilarity ensued:

    Associate Deputy Attorney General Bradley Weinsheimer maintained in a court filing Tuesday that the White House Counsel’s Office informed the Justice Department that notwithstanding the president’s statement, “there is no order requiring wholesale declassification or disclosure of documents at issue.”

    At Friday’s hearing, however, Judge Reggie B. Walton of the U.S. District Court in D.C. expressed bafflement at the claim that President Trump’s words were not to be believed.

    “I think the American public has a right to rely on what the president says his intention is,” Walton said.

    “It seems to me when a president makes a clear, unambiguous statement of what his intention is, that I can’t rely on the White House Counsel’s Office saying, ‘Well, that was not his intent,’ ” the judge said in a hearing conducted by videoconference because of the coronavirus pandemic.

    Dave (1bb933)

  5. The sad case of Ben Sasse:

    Sasse has remained silent when his countrymen needed candor. Sasse has not publicly come to the defense of Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-disease expert, in the face of Trump’s attacks. He has not warned governors not to follow Trump’s recommendations on the pandemic, or admonished the White House for eschewing masks and social distancing, or spoken out about Trump’s conduct once the president was infected, or leveled in any meaningful way with the American people about Trump’s racism and contempt for religion. One must conclude that sheer cowardice and a yen to remain in office (requiring he avoid the wrath of the MAGA crowd) account for his reticence. As with every other silent Republican in this era, personal ambition won out over obligation to the country and the Constitution.

    I remain stunned that grown-ups run for the Senate only to become afraid of their own shadow, wasting the opportunity to make a real contribution and to show actual spine. Sasse had jobs before the Senate, including a stint as a university president. If he lost because he actually stood on principle, would his return to his pre-Senate life have been so onerous? The addiction to power, fame and attention must be so all-consuming that it prompts self-identified moralists and students of history to cower at a time when the country was desperately in need of strong, honest leadership.

    Other Republicans who clearly know better — Sens. Rob Portman (Ohio) and John Thune (S.D.) come to mind — are also afraid to break with the “tribe.“ Their spinelessness begets more spinelessness; their refuge in childish excuses (Didn’t see the tweet!) makes it easier for their colleagues to hide behind childish excuses. Trump can rightfully be blamed for running the party into a ditch and subverting virtually any value Sasse and his fellow Republicans ever lauded. But it would not have been possible to get away with impeachable conduct, to win renomination, and to run roughshod over democratic norms and the rule of law without the silence of the Sasses, the Portmans and the Thunes.

    Dave (1bb933)

  6. Dana, I know you love this Arron Rupar guy but I really feel you should find some other source on Twitter to get your Trump links from. Trump wasn’t calling out voters he’s calling out democrats. Here is a few minutes of Trumps speech before your Twitter video starts:

    And then I want to go the phony unsolicited ballot. You know they send ballots out by the millions they don’t have no idea, well they do actually have an idea where they are going and that’s what really, but we say who’s sending them? Where are they going? Who’s getting them? Whose delivering them? Who’s signing them? What the hell are they doing? And then if you say that they go, “He’s not for freedom! He’s not for freedom.” And they know better than you do. It’s a big con job.
    But we have to be very very careful with the ballots. They find ballots in a garbage can last week. Military ballots they had the name Trump on them and they’re in a garbage can. Then found 50,000 ballots from Ohio, they find them from North Carolina dumped in a river. They find them I think 500,000 ballots in Virginia they were incorrect. They were printing them wrong, they had one little problem on one set of ballots thousands and thousands and thousands, they forgot to put the name of Donald Trump on the ballot, uh other than that the ballot was quite clear! No no this is serious and I’m being quite serious about this, these people are doing a tremendous disservice. And they are using Covid as their reason they are using this as a reason to not go out and vote.

    Here’s a link to Trumps speech starting at where I started my transcript.

    By the way Trump stood on that stage for 2 hours last night. Could Biden stand up their for 2 minutes after a full day of campaigning?
    Also if you want to get to know Trump better, transcribe one his speeches!

    ah-non-ee-mouse (e2ed1b)

  7. Mr. Senator Pair-doo-eh or Purr-doo-eh or Purr-douie-houie-louie and the piece of carpet on his head look so much like a televangelist, I just gots to serenade him:

    Hooka Tooka my soda cracker
    Does your momma chaw tobacca
    If ya momma chaw tobacca, say
    Hooka Tooka my soda cracker
    Who your love, Who your love I say
    You know I love my mother-in-law
    If your love momma like you say
    Why can’t momma chaw

    nk (1d9030)

  8. Dana, I know you love this Arron Rupar guy

    Uh, no, I don’t love this Aarong Rupar guy. In fact, I usually disagree with his views, as far as politics go. He just happens to provides a lot of video of the President, which is convenient.

    Now I will go read the rest of your comment.

    Dana (292df6)

  9. I’m still waiting for the truth to float above Trump’s lies.
    And speaking of lies, Romney’s concerns are about QAnon are justified. If the MorningConsult poll is accurate, 38% of Republicans say that QAnon is “very” or “somewhat” accurate. There’s something seriously wrong with my party, with or without Trump, with so many agreeing with this wankery.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  10. Has Biden stated that these emails are fake? We’ve had a couple of days and the best response so far has been “the Russians” correct?

    Rumor has it there’s evidence from the laptops for Hunter+underage girls and also kicking back money to Joe.

    frosty (f27e97)

  11. Aaron Rupert – Vox.com and Jon Ossoff (Beto-lite)
    __

    Meanwhile, a Muslim man shouting ‘Alahu Akbar’ beheaded a French teacher for showing Muhammed cartoons to students.

    Here’s The NY Times headline:

    French Police Shoot And Kill A Man After A Fatal Knife Attack On The Street

    lol
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    harkin (7fb4c9)

  12. QAnon is a bunch of conspiracy nuts who hate pedophilia.

    Antifa is a bunch of violent nuts who hate police and free speech.

    Guess which the media and Montagu are more concerned with.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  13. @4: Oh yeah, Judge Reggie Walton. The joker who grandstanded eight months ago, and I guess had absolutely nothing. Good thing there was follow up on that.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  14. Sasse lost his street cred among the sanctimonious. Bad on him.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  15. Has Biden stated that these emails are fake? We’ve had a couple of days and the best response so far has been “the Russians” correct?

    It looks like the emails the NY Post released are authentic because FoxNews did some reporting and got 3rd party corroboration on one of the email chains. However, all they’ve presented are screenshots. Without the metadata (which the FBI should have), we don’t have full confirmation. The photographs and texts that we’ve seen look authentic. But again, without examining the drive, we don’t know what was originally on the laptop and what juicy bits could have been added in.
    There’s another possibility: Hunter Biden’s iCloud account was hacked and the contents were downloaded to a laptop, where some guy put a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it and gave it a blind computer guy with a gullible Trumpy social media profile. This would mean that there was intelligence operation against Biden, and it wouldn’t be a stretch to say that Putin was involved. After all, the laptop was dropped off around the same time that Giuliani-Solomon were pushing hard against Ambassador Yovanovitch and pushing out all kinds of half-baked allegations about Biden corruption.
    The circumstances about the laptop warrant hard skepticism, foremost being why “Hunter” would give away a laptop filled with personal information; he probably has frittered away his money since he left Burisma, but anyone could scare up $85.
    The players involved don’t help. Steve Bannon is a dirty trickster, slightly less scuzzy than Roger Stone. Giuliani consorted with Russian spies–spies plural, Kilimnik and Derkach–and other sleazoid Ukrainian characters (Telizhenko, Shokin Lutsenko, Parnas Fruman, the list goes on). The NY Post “reporter” was a producer for Hannity, whose only contributions to the Post were to this story and nothing else. The computer shop guy couldn’t keep his story straight and is one of those QAnon-friendly conspiracy theory nutjobs who had an unknown “intermediary”.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  16. Guess which the media and Montagu are more concerned with.

    There are no Antifa-aligned candidates running for Congress, beer, no candidate supporting Nazi punching or in favor of committing violence against police, white nationalists and property.
    By comparison, a QAnon nutjob is going to win a House seat in Georgia, one of 44 candidates who support QAnon swill, and her endorsement was just accepted by a Georgia Senatorial candidate. Since two can play the disingenuous questions game, why are you unconcerned with QAnon lies, beer?

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  17. Jon Levine
    @LevineJonathan

    In March 2016 Welker was busted on live television tipping off Hillary Clinton’s Communications Director Jennifer Palmieri about at least one question she planned to ask her during a post-debate interview in Michigan.

    https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1317460128199835649?s=20
    __ _

    Emerald Robinson Latin cross
    @EmeraldRobinson
    ·
    Oct 9
    The third debate moderator, Kristen Welker at NBC has deactivated her Twitter account today.

    __

    Guess she needed a day or two to clean things up
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  18. It’s more accurate to say that QAnon dreams of pedophilia.

    nk (1d9030)

  19. why are you unconcerned with QAnon lies, beer?

    Because 1) QAnon lies are nothing special compared to all the other lies politicians run on, and 2) politicians, and media, and commenters who don’t call out violent nuts or who minimize their import as an “idea”, are in fact giving them the passive support they aim for.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  20. Like the danchenko drinking circle, like kolomoisky looting privat bank, stealing crom deutsch bank.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  21. The squad which has pick more members were tipping off the black bloc terrorists.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  22. Sasse lost his street cred among the sanctimonious. Bad on him.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 10/17/2020 @ 8:22 am

    Sasse asked the question:

    What the heck were any of us thinking that selling a TV-obsessed narcissistic individual to the American people was a good idea?

    Maybe you can answer the question.

    Dana (292df6)

  23. I have a friend who is a qtarded I have to plug my ears and walk away.

    mg (8cbc69)

  24. Klimnik and telizhenk9 were valuable state department contacts, frankly ukraine has been thieves world vory e vory for a long time.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  25. Trump providing lawyers for GOP candidate Marjorie Taylor Green, known for promoting QAnon:

    Senior lawyers for the Trump campaign set up a small law firm last year that is working for Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Republican House candidate in Georgia with a history of promoting QAnon, a pro-Trump conspiracy theory.

    While federal filings show that the firm, Elections L.L.C., principally collects fees from the president’s campaign and the Republican National Committee, it also does work for a number of congressional candidates, and none more so than Ms. Greene, underscoring the connections between QAnon and Mr. Trump and his inner circle. The latest example came Thursday night, when President Trump repeatedly declined to disavow QAnon at a televised town hall.

    Ms. Greene is one of several Republican candidates who openly espouse the collection of bogus and bizarre theories embraced by followers of QAnon, who have been labeled a potential domestic terror threat by the F.B.I.

    Dana (292df6)

  26. Maybe you can answer the question.

    LOL. Deregulation, Remain in Mexico, 6-3 SCOTUS majority, flipping the 9th circuit, etc. are suddenly bad ideas I guess.

    Looks like Sasse learned that pleasing a sanctimonious tribe who can’t stick with one candidate for more than a few months at a time wasn’t a good idea either.

    Trump will lose this election, but sanctimonious conservatives still haven’t and never will.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  27. Also if you want to get to know Trump better, transcribe one his speeches!

    Who in their right mind, other than a foreign spy looking for assets, or a hooker selling them, would want to get to know Trump better?

    Dave (1bb933)

  28. Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/17/2020 @ 8:31 am

    Did Harris drop out today? Or are we just ignoring the fundraising for rioters, looter, etc? Or are we pretending that none of those rioters, looters, etc. were antifa. Or are we forgetting that she said the riots should continue?

    frosty (f27e97)

  29. Trump providing lawyers for GOP candidate Marjorie Taylor Green, known for promoting QAnon

    False. It wasn’t Trump. It was “senior lawyers for the Trump campaign.”

    Kind of like when Biden staffers bail out rioters and looters and Antifa, we say Biden did it right? But, whether it’s Biden or his staffers, nobody here much cares anyway.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  30. Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/17/2020 @ 8:23 am

    This sounds like the DNC email hack playbook. No one claimed that information was fake either.

    frosty (f27e97)

  31. A VP candidate who smeared Kavanaugh without credible evidence and is on record as wanting him impeached definitely needs protection from mangling her name up.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  32. It looks like the emails the NY Post released are authentic because FoxNews did some reporting and got 3rd party corroboration on one of the email chains.

    That would mean *that* email chain is authentic.

    It seems clear that at least some of the material is genuine.

    The fact that they’ve come up with zero in the way of anything even remotely incriminating to Joe Biden, like communications between him and his son discussing matters of state relevant to his Hunter’s business ventures, also suggests that the material may not be “salted” with forged kompromat.

    On Day Three of the “smoking gun” revelations, they posted emails between Hunter and his daughter in which she asked him for help when she was having financial difficulties. So they clearly don’t have much, beyond Hunter’s admitted and acknowledged drug use and wh*ring.

    Dave (1bb933)

  33. So whats an effective treatment protocol, if remdesvir and hcq are off limits anyone.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  34. So whats an effective treatment protocol, if remdesvir and hcq are off limits anyone.

    Ask a reputable virologist or immunologist.

    Dave (1bb933)

  35. Not a politician.

    Dave (1bb933)

  36. beer, the FBI identified QAnon as a potential terrorist threat, literally called them out by name. It was a QAnon “idea” that motivated an armed wacko to attack a pizza parlor in DC, demanding to go into a basement allegedly filled with pedophiles despite there being no basement.
    It was a QAnon “theory” that compelled a guy to block Hoover Dam with an armored vehicle, fully loaded with weapons. Another QAnon whack-a-doodle was arrested with bomb-making materials in his car, plotting to blow up a “satanic display” at the Illinois state capitol.
    A Staten Island loopy-loo tried to make a citizen’s arrest of DeBlasio, then went on to murder a member of the Gambino crime family because of the victim’s “deep state” connections. He expressed his solidarity in court with QAnon markings on his hands. This means that QAnon has killed as many people as Antifa.
    A brainwashed QAnon idiot vandalized a church in Sedona because of his suspicions that they were engaged in human trafficking.
    A deranged QAnon Colorado woman was busted for conspiracy to kidnap because she and her QAnon cohorts believed that her son in foster care was housed by “satan worshippers”.
    A KY QAnon barker successfully kidnapped her twin daughters from their grandmother and legal guardian.
    And here we have a president who not only won’t criticize QAnon and their lying nuttery, he goes the other way and amplifies their message and their movement with one retweet after the next.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  37. The bureau that missed las vegas parkland ft lauderdale airport pensacola (what is it you do here?)

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  38. BTW, this doesn’t mean I don’t condemn Antifa’s violent tactics. I do, all the time. But I can’t help noticing all the whatabouting from QAnon over to Antifa. Why does it have to be either-or?

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  39. I’ve updated the post with a ninth news item.

    Dana (292df6)

  40. They have caused 2 billion in damages, hundreds of dead cops do the math.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/10/the-week-in-pictures-barretts-notepad-edition.php

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  41. “She’s telling lefties to tone it down for their own good. Eschew censorship because it might not work to get them where they want to go. That is, there’s no love of freedom, no notion of freedom as an end — only a means. I put the key line in boldface: “I aspire to expedite [Trump’s] exit from the national stage by every legal means.”

    ALSO: I guess WaPo is conceding that the Hunter Biden material really did come out of his computer. This line is just sitting there: “The New York Post published a story based on a trove of leaked emails allegedly found on a laptop belonging to Hunter Biden, son of Joe Biden, the Democratic presidential candidate.” That’s stood for a day and a half, uncorrected, even though the commenters over there are screaming about it.“

    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2020/10/censorship-cries-right-even-as-left.html?m=1
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  42. The latest hot take

    https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  43. Its also an idea, actually its a verse frontheir book

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/17/teacher-decapitated-in-paris-named-as-samuel-paty-47

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  44. ” hundreds of dead cops”

    You’re thinking of Covid.

    Davethulhu (a625e5)

  45. Speaking of qanon, today’s a big day for them. JFK Jr. will be reveal himself to be still alive and replacing Pence as Trump’s VP.

    Davethulhu (a625e5)

  46. Fauci has been promoting remdesvir for six years through his agency.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  47. Did Harris drop out today? Or are we just ignoring the fundraising for rioters, looter, etc? Or are we pretending that none of those rioters, looters, etc. were antifa. Or are we forgetting that she said the riots should continue?

    Strawman, red herring, etc. I don’t know anyone who’s “pretending” or saying that none of the criminals are Antifa, and Harris said that protests should continue, a First Amendment right, not riots. My bigger issue with Harris is that she said Michael Brown was murdered.
    Second, I’m not voting for Biden/Harris and I’m not a Democrat.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  48. Thats as silly as the danchenko drinking game, that was the basis for policy.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  49. This sounds like the DNC email hack playbook. No one claimed that information was fake either.

    It could be. It’d be nice to know, sooner than later.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  50. They have caused 2 billion in damages, hundreds of dead cops do the math.

    Who’s “they”?

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  51. Black bloc militants, one of whose number could become the mayor of portland.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  52. What kind of Dad sends his son all over the globe to sell out his own country for a few million bucks here or there… oh, I know, a Dad that loves his son deeply and supports him working through his addictions. Too bad Dad keeps sending him on these errands that tear at his conscience, feeding his need to dull the guilt by partying until he passes out and goes black for a few days. [insert whatabout Trumpisms here]
    Just a counter scenario to those who talk about the anguish Joe must feel… you know, the same anguish that truck driver felt after all thos years of Joe calling him a drunk driving murderer?
    No not really, because Joe is a sociopathic liar and maybe a sociopath who wrecked his sons life and sells out his country for greed’s sake.

    steveg (43b7a5)

  53. Lets say Hunter can’t take this and commits suicide. Would it be viewed here and in the media as Trump via Giuliani’s fault, or might it be Biden’s?

    Why is it that we can drive into Trump’s private sector business and “where Trump got his money and how much”
    but everyone thinks its OK that Biden has turned public service into a gold mine (even if these emails turn out to be false… the non denials and “angry Joe going dog faced pony soldier on a reporters [insert whatabout Trumpisms here] is a tell. (Biden and Trump use attacks on the media differently. Trump views most of them as enemy, Biden views them as allies so criticism from Biden is more of a “get back in your lane (fluffing me)”

    steveg (43b7a5)

  54. An accusation from the Trump team is a confession. There has never been a more corrupt political family than the corrupt criminal traitor Trump-Kushner crime family.

    nk (1d9030)

  55. #55 –
    “All my life I’ve been greedy, I grab and grab and grab” is one of the most honest statements that Donald Trump has ever made. And it sounded like a boast. If it was a confession of sin, it’s probably the only one he has ever made. I’ve seen no indication that he recognizes anything wrong with benefiting himself first and foremost, regardless of harm to others.

    When your candidate is conspicuously a horrible person — selfish, arrogant, cruel, cynical, divisive, and staggeringly dishonest — it’s rational to believe that he really is a worse human being than someone who is obviously flawed and probably has things to hide but is not so consistently, egregiously, publicly terrible.

    Radegunda (786b96)

  56. What kind of Dad sends his son all over the globe to sell out his own country for a few million bucks here or there…

    How did Biden “send” Hunter? Did not Hunter make his own decision? Was not Joe reticent about him taking the job when he said, “I hope you know what you are doing”?
    If taking income from foreign sources is to “sell out his own country”, what does that make Trump? Our president has received over $13 million for putting his name on Trump Towers Istanbul, and slavers all over the Turkish dictator by betraying Syrian Kurds and being silent about Erdogan’s mischief with Armenia. Talk about a sell-out. That is a real financial conflict of interest where this president could be more interested in protecting his cash flow than his country.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  57. That would suggest hunter has shame or guilt and that clearly isnt true, but the bureau the agency foggy bottom dont care enough

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  58. If you do business in turkey which was purged thanks to gulens network you have to work with middlemen like dogen who was an opposition figure who ran afoul or ergonokon one

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  59. What has biden wrought in 43 years.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  60. @53 You spend a lot of time talking about the “Black Bloc”. What do you mean?

    Nic (896fdf)

  61. You spend a lot of time talking about the “Black Bloc”. What do you mean?

    https://searchengineland.com/guide/how-to-use-google-to-search

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  62. The anarchist who call them antifa and the resistance.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  63. Clay Travis
    @ClayTravis
    ·
    Nick Saban had a false positive & is coaching tonight. He’s now tested negative five straight times. Biggest question here: given all the false positives in sports, how many people think they have covid and never do?

    It feels like at least half of positive covid tests in sports are reversed as soon as additional tests are given. But, again, most people are only getting one test. So how many completely healthy people are quarantining? It may well be millions of people.
    __ _

    Mike
    @BkBelow
    ·
    Under this logic, COVID’s more deadly and we’re that much further from “herd immunity”. Can’t have it both ways. Less positives = higher mortality rate.
    __ _

    JS Vols
    @js78999
    ·
    now do causes of death listed as COVID that were not COVID. now analyze the 6% stat from the CDC. tia
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    thomas romance
    @kidnappa22
    ·
    dont forget that pool of millions that now have a false positive test and we can count as covid deaths forever
    __ _

    Backen Myday
    @BackenMyday
    ·
    And on top of that, every positive test identifies potentially dozens of “contact traced” individuals who get quarantined for two weeks out of “an abundance of caution”. Millions of perfectly well people being forced to not go to school classes etc….
    __ _

    David Andre Robbins
    @Daveforthelawl
    ·
    How many healthy people with a 99.98% survival chance are we keeping at home from living their lives?
    __ _

    #ACB
    @imoffended247
    ·
    My son was dumped into a dirty hotel room for 10 days. Ate crap food, allowed to go to back parking lot for 50 mins/day. Completely asymptomatic. College’s policy is if he’d taken a 2nd test that was negative, doesn’t matter. Meanwhile they’re testing like drunk sailors

    __

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  64. The ones funded through thousand currents and tides foundation.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  65. Meet debate moderator and partisan Dem hack Kristen Welker.

    In March 2016 Welker was busted on live television tipping off Hillary Clinton’s Communications Director Jennifer Palmieri about at least one question she planned to ask her during a post-debate interview in Michigan. At the time Clinton was locked in a fierce fight for the Democratic nomination against Sen. Bernie Sanders.

    “I’m going to ask you about Flint,” Welker said of the Michigan city’s infamous water crisis.

    Welker deleted her Twitter account last week, heading off a more complete look at her past statements and views. It was later restored.

    “Anyone who’s ever dealt with Welker knows she’s an activist, not a reporter. The White House press team views her the same way they would AOC or Pelosi if they walked in the office,” a senior White House official told The Post.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kristen-welker-upcoming-presidential-debate-moderator-has-deep-democrat-ties

    It’s the Debate Commission that green lights these clowns, not Trump, and there’s always a house RINO on it to give it false cred.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  66. Black bloc militants, one of whose number could become the mayor of portland.

    Prove it, narciso. Show us where “black bloc militants” “caused 2 billion in damages, hundreds of dead cops”.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  67. I think its a conservative figure myself

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1317522118297477121

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  68. @64 Are you 12?

    @65 Thank you. I was curious if you were using the standard definition. Most capital A circle around it anarchists aren’t involved in traditional politics, though. They just like to yell about political theory and smash stuff.

    Nic (896fdf)

  69. I dont use their language were not a fascist country and there is no need to resist unless the constitution is what they are resisting.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  70. lol

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/10/media-democrats-melt-down-over-nodding-woman-from-nbcs-trump-town-hall/

    the sandinistas called their opposition, counter revolutionaries, a group of farmers and businessman, they called themselves the resistance,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  71. I think we are staring down the barrel of a blue tsunami… Ben Sasse

    WTF? As opposed to Nebraska’s fruited plains drowning the flood of amber waves of grain?

    A stitch in time gathers no moss, Ben.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  72. ^in

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. there’s a salve for that kind of delusion, now two timing cunningham might beat tillis, collins might defeat herself, like ayotte did before her, but I don’t see much else, tosoff we’re talking that fool seriously

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  74. @76. Morality is a transient; the Dodgers left Brooklyn.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. In some parts of the world, politicians are enjoying easy landslide victories because of the pandemic: https://cnnphilippines.com/world/2020/10/17/New-Zealand-Jacinda-Ardern-wins-second-term.html??

    Really fascinating how people want to support a leader when the going gets tough.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  76. The one who is banning guns and free speech and postponed an election, you want to try again

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  77. @64 Are you 12?

    These guys think Trump’s critics should be defeated, not worked with, therefore they just don’t understand why Trump can’t win popular support. Sadly I worry this means a long time where some of the good ideas Trump ran on are soured and avoided. Trump 2016 may turn out to be a fundamental and profound victory for more than just Russia, but also for the democrats. I hope these judges are worth all that.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  78. Like toilets in Argentina, acronyms go the other direction in other parts of the southern hemisphere

    urbanleftbehind (44fd92)

  79. i remember when trump was ridiculed about concerns like that, well now were the boers,

    ardern is a tool of china, who has walled off her country indefinitely,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  80. Greenfield vs Ernst 2020 is the MILFy version of Sinema – McSally 2018.

    urbanleftbehind (44fd92)

  81. Greenfield?

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  82. Well pardon me, Iowa MILF may not measure up to Florida MILF…now South Dakota OTOH …

    urbanleftbehind (44fd92)

  83. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/17/2020 @ 1:02 pm

    These guys think Trump’s critics should be defeated, not worked with

    Any updates on how Trump will literally ruin the whole world?

    frosty (f27e97)

  84. If Trump can hurt one family for telling the truth then he can hurt anyone.

    DRJ (aede82)

  85. The small government and fiscal conservative case against Trump.

    No, of course I don’t expect that to persuade a single Trump apologist, even those who purportedly voted for him in 2016 on these very issues. Because frankly, if they claim they still care about those issues, they’re full of it. The only reason anyone still actively supports Trump (as opposed to those who misguidedly but sincerely believe he’s the lesser of two evils) is because they hate their opponents more than they care about any value or principle.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  86. Any updates on how Trump will literally ruin the whole world?

    Who has literally made that claim?

    Radegunda (786b96)

  87. @68. Nobody really cares what they say. Only how they say it, ‘Here’s the deal:’- all Trump has to do is stand back and let Plagiarist JoeyBee roll out and trip over his tongue, spit word grenades down his pants and blow himself up.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  88. #89 — I’ve seen Trumpers on Twitter saying that they favor what can reasonably be called a form of national socialism.

    Radegunda (786b96)

  89. Any updates on how Trump will literally ruin the whole world?

    Global economic collapse?
    Pandemic?
    Global Thermonuclear war?
    Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?
    Alien invasion?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  90. What the heck were any of us thinking that selling a TV-obsessed narcissistic individual to the American people was a good idea?

    Reaganoptics.

    Ben, my boy, get over yourself: Trump is you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. 92. Say what you want about national socialism, dude, at least it’s an ethos.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  92. Yes this ridiculous lockdown wasnt helpful, whose handled the epidemic welm again, whose handed the iranian regimes 150 billion dollars

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  93. Radegunda (786b96) — 10/17/2020 @ 4:27 pm

    Who has literally made that claim?

    Literally Dustin.

    frosty (f27e97)

  94. #95 – I’m not a dude. You can call me sweetie, darlin’, honey …

    Radegunda (786b96)

  95. Literally Dustin.

    What were his literal words?

    Radegunda (786b96)

  96. Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 10/17/2020 @ 4:34 pm

    I had basically the same response when I saw it and was accused of defending Trump and Putin.

    frosty (f27e97)

  97. 98. Sorry for the confusion. I was answering you, but I wasn’t addressing you.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  98. Radegunda (786b96) — 10/17/2020 @ 4:57 pm

    I think it’s about stopping trump and putin from ruining literally the whole world. We both sound kinda dramatic, but I happen to be correct.

    Biden is easily worth the price if you consider what Trump really is.

    Dustin (4237e0) — 10/15/2020 @ 9:38 am

    frosty (f27e97)

  99. #95 – I’m not a dude. You can call me sweetie, darlin’, honey …

    Radegunda (786b96) — 10/17/2020 @ 4:54 pm

    Okay, that really hit my funny bone!

    norcal (a5428a)

  100. @89 I read the article you linked. It made some good points about Trump’s profligate spending and his misguided trade war.

    It lost me, however, when it entered the immigration arena, and reminded me why I amended my living trust to cancel the contribution I was going to make to the Cato Institute. The article makes Trump out to be a giant meanie to immigrants. The reality is that he has modified, ever so slightly, what was an overly generous and porous immigration system. I am a retired immigration officer, and I saw the situation up close.

    For the most part I am a libertarian. The movement is very wrong about immigration, however. For some reason, it conflates domestic liberty with free movement of peoples worldwide. It’s not enough that Americans should be free, but foreigners should be able to come and go as they please. Poppycock.

    norcal (a5428a)

  101. I was drifting through twitter and saw the host pinned a tweet saying that someone should show the legally blind owner of the Mac Shop no one denies Hunter went to, Jacob Wohls photos.
    Is the story that Hunters lawyer demanded the laptop back true? I dunno, lets ask the deaf guy, if we shout loud enough maybe we can get an answer

    steveg (43b7a5)

  102. https://www.webmd.com/eye-health/legally-blind-meaning

    You might be surprised to learn that it’s Uncle Sam, not the doctor, who defines whether you’re legally blind.

    The government uses the term “legal blindness” to decide who can get certain benefits, like disability or job training. It is not the same as being totally blind.

    Normal vision is 20/20. That means you can clearly see an object 20 feet away. If you’re legally blind, your vision is 20/200 or less in one eye. That means if an object is 200 feet away, you have to stand 20 feet from it in order to see it clearly. But a person with normal vision can stand 200 feet away and see that object perfectly.

    One eye, comrades!

    nk (1d9030)

  103. 10. frosty (f27e97) — 10/17/2020 @ 7:46 am

    Has Biden stated that these emails are fake?

    Which emails? The onea in the New York Post are not fake. What’s wrong is the “deductions” made from them, sometimes involving extraneous facts that maybe not be facts. Of course the full truth is highly embarrassing to Joe Biden and it would also come out that his of being instrumental in the firing of the prosecutor is false.

    Some Democrats have been claiming (to stop their circulation on Twitter) that they might have been hacked or even fake, but Biden’s campaign did not. He wouldn’t be in a position to confirm or deny (except for what he wrote to his son) but Hunter would.

    The one thing they did say was that the meeting with that member of the Board of Director of Burisma was not listed on his Vice Presidential schedule. Two things are left open with that: that the email thanking Hunter for the opportunity to meet Joe Biden could have been sent in anticipation of a meeting that never happened, or that the meeting took place casually.

    This meeting has somehow become proof that Joe Biden discussed business with his son Hunter. It’s a total non sequitor. This is how this kind of right wing propaganda works – they never make allegations outright, but try to get people to draw their own conclusions – not exactly their own conclusions but they declare hat A = B when A does not equal B. This is how it differs from left wing propaganda, although it has also been done by the left – they usually don’t feel the need to cite any evidence at all, but just try to make it sound like it is already proven, often, if necessary, making an argument from authority (of course you’re not disagreeing with 97% of climate scientists! Dr Fauci! 500 former prosecutors! Etc.)

    It might be that this citing of “evidence” is characteristic of some type of slander campaigns.

    With regard to that possible meeting, maybe we are also supposed to think this meeting means that Joe Biden was discussing with Burisma what he should do about U.S. policy. Of course, for one thing, this would be first meeting and there’s no evidence cited of a second.

    Rumor has it there’s evidence from the laptops for Hunter+underage girls

    I didn’t hear that. Hunter I don;t think was looking for them. But neither probably was Anthony Weiner.

    and also kicking back money to Joe.

    The New York Post didn;t have that.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  104. Always trust content from Sean Hannity’s handmaiden in her journalistic debut in a New York tabloid.

    nk (1d9030)

  105. Ah good to see all the Secret Service ladies on duty today… suddenly I feel like going to my unsafe pool and doing a one armed leisurely backstroke

    steveg (43b7a5)

  106. “What the heck were any of us thinking that selling a TV-obsessed narcissistic individual to the American people was a good idea? – Ben Sasse”

    Ben Sasse deserves to be tied to a chair, locked in a dark room and forced to watch this on a loop and spoon fed sugar every ten minutes for three days:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYeNuISN4Dc

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  107. 5.

    One must conclude that sheer cowardice and a yen to remain in office (requiring he avoid the wrath of the MAGA crowd)

    Has this person been paying any attention to the actual Nebraska Senate race?

    Ben Sasse is having a free ride, almost as much as Senator Cotton of Arkansas:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Senate_election_in_Nebraska

    On June 16, 2020, Janicek lost the support of the Nebraska Democratic Party after allegations of sending sexually explicit text messages about a female campaign staff member and allegedly using racist slurs to insult a guest at a party 20 years ago surfaced.[9][10][11] Nonetheless, Janicek refused to drop out of the race and his name remained on the ballot in the general election. In September the state Democratic party supported Preston Love Jr. via a write-in candidacy.[12][13]

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  108. Is this accessible to everybody, or is it behind a paywall? Google threw up this link. It’s a PDF of the entire Friday, October 16, 2020 Wall street Journal.

    https://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/Qe4ZstlZ4SyIqNKpHaxk-WSJNewsPaper-10-16-2020

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  109. 105. norcal (a5428a) — 10/17/2020 @ 5:35 pm

    For the most part I am a libertarian. The movement is very wrong about immigration, however. For some reason, it conflates domestic liberty with free movement of peoples worldwide. It’s not enough that Americans should be free, but foreigners should be able to come and go as they please. Poppycock.

    All persons are created equal, but some are more equal than others.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  110. Thank heavens we’re all focused on the QAnon threat.

    A free speech demonstration staged by conservative activists quickly fell apart in downtown San Francisco on Saturday after several hundred counterprotesters surged the area, outnumbering and attacking those gathered, including knocking one in the mouth.

    Philip Anderson, the organizer of the event, posted photos to social media of his bloody mouth with a front tooth missing and another hanging loosely. He said anti-fascist protesters attacked him “for no reason.”

    https://www.oregonlive.com/nation/2020/10/conservative-rally-in-san-francisco-falls-apart-after-surge-by-counterprotest.html

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  111. Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/17/2020 @ 9:46 am

    It was a QAnon “idea” that motivated an armed wacko to attack a pizza parlor in DC, demanding to go into a basement allegedly filled with pedophiles despite there being no basement.

    An idea also spread by QAnon but before QAnon got started.

    That was in 2016, but “Q” made his first appearance in October 2017

    That idea that there rings of prominent pedophiles and their supporters almost certainly originated with Russia. Mike Flynn;s son Mike Flynn Jr was touting it.

    It’s also big in Europe.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/11/world/europe/qanon-is-thriving-in-germany-the-extreme-right-is-delighted.html

    Early in the pandemic, as thousands of American troops began NATO maneuvers in Germany, Attila Hildmann did a quick YouTube search to see what it was all about. He quickly came across videos posted by German followers of QAnon.

    In their telling, this was no NATO exercise. It was a covert operation by President Trump to liberate Germany from Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government — something they applauded.

    “The Q movement said these are troops that will free the German people from Merkel,” said Mr. Hildmann, a vegan celebrity cook who had not heard of QAnon before last spring. “I very much hope that Q is real.”

    ….Groups have sprung up from the Netherlands to the Balkans. In Britain, QAnon-themed protests under the banner of “Save Our Children” have taken place in more than 20 cities and towns, attracting a more female and less right-wing demographic.

    But it is in Germany that QAnon seems to have made the deepest inroads. With what is regarded as the largest following — an estimated 200,000 people — in the non-English-speaking world, it has quickly built audiences on YouTube, Facebook and the Telegram messenger app. People wave Q flags during protests against coronavirus measures…

    ,,,The ignition switch for QAnon’s spread in Germany was “Defender-Europe 2020,” a large-scale NATO exercise, said Mr. Holnburger, the political scientist.

    When it was scaled back this spring because of the coronavirus, QAnon followers contended that Ms. Merkel had used a “fake pandemic” to scupper a secret liberation plan.

    Then one far-right movement, known as the Reichsbürger, or citizens of the Reich, jumped onto the QAnon traffic online to give greater visibility to its own conspiracy theory.

    The Reichsbürger, estimated by the government to have about 19,000 followers, believe that Germany’s postwar republic is not a sovereign country but a corporation set up by the allies after World War II. The QAnon conspiracies dovetailed with their own and offered the prospect of an army led by Mr. Trump restoring the German Reich.

    On March 5, the elements of the two movements fused into a common Facebook group, followed a week later by a Telegram channel.

    I don’t know what Vladimir Putin is up to with this, and it about 99% certain this is Vladimir Putin;s doing. Even the anti-semitism – that Germans are stll anti-Semites is Sovier propaganda and hoaxes dating back to about 1960.

    I don’t think this is helping Trump. Could Putin think it is? I think maybe the reason they always make Trump out to be a very good guy is so that Trump shouldn’t interfere with that. Putin maybe wants this so that later on he can turn many people against anybody.

    Some prominent people ave joined in with claims – most probably I would say, bribed by Russian intelligence

    Two weeks later, in the middle of the lockdown, the German pop star Xavier Naidoo, a former judge on Germany’s equivalent of “American Idol,” joined a QAnon group and posted a tearful YouTube video in which he told his followers about children being liberated from underground prisons. A far-right influencer, Oliver Janich, reposted it to his tens of thousands of Telegram followers.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  112. I dropped our ballots off today (mine and Mrs. Montagu’s), sticking them in an official box in front of the county administration building.
    I wrote in Larry Hogan, but I could’ve just as easily picked Mitch Daniels, but he’s older and been out of politics longer. The latest poll has Biden up by 21 in WA State, so mine was a good and completely inconsequential protest vote.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  113. 105. I don’t subscribe to the libertarian take on immigration either. I’m for secure borders and for determining American policy by our own political process, not by the whims of people who want to move here. But Trump is so comprehensively despicable, he makes it impossible to agree with him even when I may have some sympathy for one of his policies. His dishonest, racist smears of immigrants are disgusting and un-American. Taking kids away from their parents — and yes, it was a deliberate policy to deter illegal immigration, and no, Obama had no such policy — is so morally repugnant, I get furious just thinking about it.

    So sure, I don’t buy into that aspect of the critique, but as usual with Trump, if you don’t object to what he’s doing for one reason, if you have a grain of decency he’ll find another reason it should make you sick.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  114. I wrote in the Utahn (not Romney, the other one) last time, but in retrospect, I should have just left it blank. It will be Biden/Harris this time. You don’t protest a toilet. You flush it.

    nk (1d9030)

  115. 119, lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/17/2020 @ 7:28 pm

    Taking kids away from their parents — and yes, it was a deliberate policy to deter illegal immigration, and no, Obama had no such policy

    His policy was to have the Mexican government deliberately increase the liklihod that someone would kill them.

    He used the de facto death penalty to deter illegal immigration to the United states.

    He advertised to people in central America that they could be killed in Mexico, and made diplomatic efforts to make it more likely. He pressured Mexico to keep people away from the U.S. border and stop them in Mexico.

    No similar pressure probably to prevent people from being killed – on the contrary that was used and taken advantage of.

    — is so morally repugnant, I get furious just thinking about it.

    So sure, I don’t buy into that aspect of the critique, but as usual with Trump, if you don’t object to what he’s doing for one reason, if you have a grain of decency he’ll find another reason it should make you sick.

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    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  116. — is so morally repugnant, I get furious just thinking about it.

    Obama was maybe worse.

    So sure, I don’t buy into that aspect of the critique, but as usual with Trump, if you don’t object to what he’s doing for one reason, if you have a grain of decency he’ll find another reason it should make you sick.

    No, his immigration policy is the worst thing and all the other things don’t matter. What’s wrong is mostly for show.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  117. What might happen in Indiana’s governors race might scare Greg Abbott away from trying for a third term.

    urbanleftbehind (6fc1bc)

  118. RAYS!!

    urbanleftbehind (6fc1bc)

  119. @119 I concur with you regarding Trump’s rhetoric on immigration. It repelled me when he first announced his candidacy, and when he questioned if a judge could be fair because he was Hispanic. Trump taints many important issues because of his professional wrestling language.

    A very good case can be made for immigration enforcement without resorting to racism and bigotry. For example, I don’t care if immigration violators are Mexican, Canadian, or Swedish. Just enforce the law!

    norcal (a5428a)

  120. @120 You voted for me last time, nk? Ah, that’s so sweet of you.

    norcal (a5428a)

  121. I was drifting through twitter and saw the host pinned a tweet saying that someone should show the legally blind owner of the Mac Shop no one denies Hunter went to, Jacob Wohls photos.
    Is the story that Hunters lawyer demanded the laptop back true? I dunno, lets ask the deaf guy, if we shout loud enough maybe we can get an answer

    Tough crowd. Remind me not to invite you next time I do stand up.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  122. @127 You can invite me. I’ll even try the veal.

    norcal (a5428a)

  123. Great news:

    Despite appearances, spiral football passes do not violate the laws of physics!

    On Sunday, when Lamar Jackson of the Baltimore Ravens or another strong-armed N.F.L. quarterback launches a deep pass, take a moment to admire the forces of physics he’s unleashed.

    When the ball leaves his hand, it points upward, in the direction of the throw. As it arcs through the air, spinning along the long axis without any visible wobble, the nose of the football dips, following the trajectory of the throw and pointing downward when it lands in the hands of the receiver.

    To most fans, this looks perfectly natural, the ball slicing efficiently through the air with less drag. To a physicist like Timothy J. Gay, it was befuddling.

    That is because what physicists see with their eyes seems to conflict with a fundamental property of motion known as the conservation of angular momentum. It states that the axis of a spinning object, such as the tight spiral of well-thrown football, will not change its orientation unless some force acts to twist it. It was not clear what force could be pushing the football’s nose down.

    Worse, the most simplistic analysis would suggest that the onrush of air from below would nudge the nose of the football up, not down, and flip it backward. If that were true, a long beautiful pass would be an impossibility.

    The article is right that the way the nose of the football bends down to follow the trajectory is very puzzling at first glance.

    Here’s one of the journal articles with the full explanation, for aspiring (or recovering) nerds.

    Dave (1bb933)

  124. Dave,

    I read the layperson’s account in the NYT. Cool story for a football lover like me. Thanks.

    norcal (a5428a)

  125. Dana,

    Uh, no, I don’t love this Aarong Rupar guy. In fact, I usually disagree with his views, as far as politics go. He just happens to provides a lot of video of the President, which is convenient.

    I’m sure it’s convenient. It’s also not the truth. I believe this is yours:

    “The truth may be stretched thin, but it never breaks, and it always surfaces above lies, as oil floats on water.”
    ― Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote

    ah-non-ee-mouse (e2ed1b)

  126. Who in their right mind, other than a foreign spy looking for assets, or a hooker selling them, would want to get to know Trump better?

    Dave (1bb933) — 10/17/2020 @ 9:08 am

    How can you criticize the president if you don’t know him? Or do you just believe everything the New York Times prints?

    ah-non-ee-mouse (e2ed1b)

  127. mr. president donald trump, who is no stranger to the street, that is to say 42nd street, is as transparent as the negligee he would put on for mr. roy cohn

    most of us know him very well and we don’t like him

    it is the people who do not know him who are his superfans

    the same people who can’t tell chiffon from shinola

    nk (1d9030)

  128. How can you criticize the president if you don’t know him?

    “Hmm. Good thing we don’t step in it.”
    (Language warning)

    Dave (1bb933)

  129. “Crazy uncles, stand back and stand by.”

    “One town hall was a thoughtful, cogent discussion of the issues facing our country,” a voice-over intoned. “The other featured President Trump.”

    Heh.

    At the other town hall, Baldwin’s Trump wrapped up his talk with McKinnon’s Guthrie.

    “In conclusion, there’s only one question that matters,” Baldwin’s Trump said. “Just ask yourself America, aren’t you better than you were four years ago?”

    A cartoon map of the country loudly responded, “No!”

    “Alright, well just try to take me alive,” Baldwin’s Trump said before saying the show’s signature catch phrase, “Live … From New York! It’s Saturday night.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  130. you should really show a little more respect for president donalds lifestyle choice orientation mr nk

    your words are violence to the fifth avenue nancy boy community

    Dave (1bb933)

  131. All persons are created equal, but some are more equal than others.

    Guess what? You let everyone in without restrictions and they’ll be living in shantytowns under the freeways and you’ll wonder how the homeless problem got so bad.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  132. spiral football passes do not violate the laws of physics!

    I was pretty sure of that already.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  133. Most of the enthusiasm for mobster joe is here.

    mg (8cbc69)

  134. spiral football passes do not violate the laws of physics!

    Maybe they used to, but the laws of physics were wrong.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  135. A new study from the Election Integrity Project California has found that close to 400,000 ballots have been sent to people who moved or died.
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    The people who gleefully celebrated getting Trump’s tax returns call this Christmas in October.
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    harkin (7fb4c9)

  136. Twitter Support
    @TwitterSupport
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    Our work to limit the spread of misleading information goes beyond elections. Starting today, before you Retweet or Quote Tweet any labeled Tweet that breaks our misleading information rules, you’ll see a prompt.

    It’ll provide more context on why the Tweet breaks our rules.
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    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
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    Neither Twitter nor any other outlet reporting on this against the NY Post has stated what in their reporting is misleading

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    Imagine that.
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    harkin (7fb4c9)

  137. 125. norcal (a5428a) — 10/17/2020 @ 9:03 pm

    A very good case can be made for immigration enforcement without resorting to racism and bigotry. For example, I don’t care if immigration violators are Mexican, Canadian, or Swedish. Just enforce the law!

    A case may be made for immigration laws, but not for enforcing them. That is a fallacy. And there is especially no god case for going all out in enforcing them, or pretending to.

    Compare to the idea thar a case can be made for a mask mandate but not for enforcing it, AND THOSE GOVERNORS WHO ARE FOR LOCKDOWNS AND MASK MANDATES DO NOT REALLY GO ALL OUT IN ENFORCING THEM.

    Not at the cost of giving many people fines, jail or getting people killed by arresting them and putting them in confined quarters. Nor is anybody for fining all the people whose businesses survived because they, unlike others, disobeyed the closing laws which is like going after peoplw who have in the United States for many years and deporting them.

    As for a case for restrictive immigration laws themselves, Trump knows cultural, racist or sadistic reasons make much more sense than any other kind of reason – that’s why he justifies them that way.

    For Republicans there is also the political reason, like the case against D.C. statehood. Although that’s the fault of the Republican Party.

    They are even turning Indians from India against them, when, given thre kind of people who are legal immigrants from India, they should be pro-Republican. (The Republican Party is against family reunification, also known as chain migration)

    And the best thing you can do without giving any of these reasons is say that the law should be enforced just because it is the law, something that only someone with the soul of a bureaucrat could endorse, and we do this with no other laws. The drug laws for instance? Parking violations?

    Even when it comes to economics Trump justifies them by saying we need to prevent foreigners from getring lifesaving medical care in the United States in close to so many words. That is his number one reason now for restricting immigration. Or it’s Miller’s anyway.

    The reason this has become a conservative position is that once you have done away with the principle of helping people, it disappears as well within the United States, and there’s no principled reason to tax the rich to help the poor.

    Unless you want to argue that foreigners are not real people, if you help poor U.S. citizens that is then not because they are human beings, but because they are interest group whose votes you want. There’s nothing moral about it.

    But if that’s the way you feel, you could also not help foreigners but let them help themselves.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  138. The Republican position on illegal immigration is nowhere near as sadistic or racist as what the Democratic Party has done to the Black family.
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    And speaking of enforcement……

    Boston University exempts Black Lives Matter events from COVID size limits

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/boston-university-exempts-black-lives-matter-events-from-covid-size-limits/
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    News stories that COVID is disproportionately impacting the poor and non-white communities are everywhere so this University must be run by Democrats.
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    harkin (7fb4c9)

  139. One of my favorite economists, Tyler Cowen, on herd immunity and the Barrington Declaration.

    First and foremost, the declaration does not present the most important point right now, which is to say October 2020: By the middle of next year, and quite possibly sooner, the world will be in a much better position to combat Covid-19. The arrival of some mix of vaccines and therapeutics will improve the situation, so it makes sense to shift cases and infection risks into the future while being somewhat protective now. To allow large numbers of people today to die of Covid, in wealthy countries, is akin to charging the hill and taking casualties two days before the end of World War I.

    And this.

    The declaration also sets up a false dichotomy by comparing its policy proposals to lockdowns. The claim is this: “Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health.” The health problems are very real, but in most of the U.S., the lockdowns are not severe. In my home state of Virginia, there are relatively few commercial activities I cannot partake in, were I so inclined. I even can go see a live bluegrass concert in a nightclub (I won’t, not yet).

    The problem is that most people don’t want to go out to such concerts, and indeed probably should not. It is this self-enforced isolation, not a government order, which screws us up, sometimes creating mental and other health problems.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  140. 146.

    A new study from the Election Integrity Project California has found that close to 400,000 ballots have been sent to people who moved or died.

    Trump’s Electoral vote strategy?

    https://www.270towin.com

    Hope that the polls shift about 1% ir 2% in his direction.

    Prevent the certification of California’s electoral votes by running out the clock by carefully scrutinizing every mail in ballot (and 40,000 of them or so will turn out to have been cast by dead people or from old addresses)

    The votes can’t be opened and counted till th e signatures have been matched.

    And prevent California from admission to the Electoral College.

    And win, say, 242 to 241. A majority of the Electoral votes.

    r even lose, but argue that a majority of the 538 possible Electoral votes are needed. There is no precedent, Thate were three elections in which some states missed being in the Electoral College, 1788/9, 1864 and 1868 but George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant would have won amajority of the Electoral College either way.

    Of course all that happens is that if that does work, is that the election goes to the House of Representatives, which is likely to choose Biden. Or nobody. A faithless elector or two could provide a third choice. Nancy Pelosi does not become Acting president because it is easier for the Senate to chose between Mike Pence and Kamala Harris voting individually (no divided states) and they will almost certainly case their votes along party lines. If the Senate divides 50-50, Mike Pence votes for himself so long as the House is unable to decide or gives up while Donald Trump makes the big decisions unofficially. Pence lets him stay in the White House.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  141. Trump rally crowd: “Lock her up!”
    Trump, chuckluing: “Yeah, lock ’em all up.”
    Watchmen militia: “We tried.”
    Gov. Whitmer: “#$!$@@$%!!”

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  142. The ghost of John McCain calls this a warning shot:
    https://news.yahoo.com/vietnam-landslide-hits-army-camp-054414103.html

    urbanleftbehind (9eaa8c)

  143. Excellent piece by Ms. Weiss, recounting the increasing hostility toward Jews from the Left.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  144. Mr. Gross rationally hypothesizes this question: Is stupidity expanding?
    My flippant answer is that the idiocracy began 45 months ago. It starts at the top.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  145. 149. harkin (7fb4c9) — 10/18/2020 @ 7:58 am

    The Republican position on illegal immigration is nowhere near as sadistic or racist as what the Democratic Party has done to the Black family.

    The Republican position on illegal immigration is more sadistic because they are not openly trying to hurt people – hurting people is not their stated goal.

    And it is questionable which policy has ruined more lives. Of course the Democratic Party is doing everything it can to destroy a decent civilization in black communities. If it gets worse, the area of civilization destruction expands geographically. KIf it gets better the result is gentrification, which is a very very good sign of progress, but bad for hack politicians because it tends to endanger their re-election.

    Immigration, legal and illegal, slows down the spread of destruction. But of course it hurts the immigrants, who become substitute crime victims.

    And speaking of enforcement……

    Boston University exempts Black Lives Matter events from COVID size limits

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/boston-university-exempts-black-lives-matter-events-from-covid-size-limits/
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    News stories that COVID is disproportionately impacting the poor and non-white communities are everywhere so this University must be run by Democrats.
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    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  146. The things Trump is saying now — Lock them up; Joe Biden is a corrupt politician; I may leave the country if I lose — are insights into his fear of losing more than how he sees this race. If he loses, Trump is the one who faces criminal prosecution for fraud and related offenses, and he may need to leave the country to avoid it.

    DRJ (aede82)

  147. nd speaking of enforcement……

    Boston University exempts Black Lives Matter events from COVID size limits

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/boston-university-exempts-black-lives-matter-events-from-covid-size-limits/

    Of course. But it actually would be unreasonable to enforce it against a crowd.

    Now they can do that with Jews. To some degree. Stopping a wedding scheduled with 10,000 guests. That is no exaggeration.

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/10000-expected-to-attend-satmar-wedding-in-new-york-despite-coronavirus-646076

    The sheriff’s department has ordered the wedding be postponed or canceled, should it not be limited to 50 people

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-york-said-to-halt-planned-orthodox-jewish-wedding-with-up-to-10000-guests

    They also went after something not Jewish, so they are being more impartial:

    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/ny-200-people-queens-party-20201018-sub55ajhlbb4jmt7seldjdrn6m-story.html

    More than 200 people ignored COVID-19 guidelines at a gathering early Saturday at a Queens catering hall, the NYC Sheriff’s office said.

    Deputies crashed the party at Queens Luxe Banquet Hall in South Ozone Park around 1:35 a.m.

    Besides violating emergency orders meant to combat COVID-19, the venue was found to be operating without a liquor license.

    Unmasked partygoers who were dancing, drinking and smoking hookah inside were asked to leave while owner Johnny Albuja and employee Miguel Hernandez were given five summonses each for violation of emergency orders, unlicensed sale of alcohol and unlicensed warehousing of alcohol, authorities said.

    harken:

    News stories that COVID is disproportionately impacting the poor and non-white communities

    As with all such cases when you esee the phrase disparate impact used, it is implied, without saying so, that this is totally due to circumstances beyond their control.
    _
    But anyway it is not practical actually to enforce the law by police action ad Governor Cuomo knows that.He must scare people or convince people.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  148. It seems to me that in light of his past, successful, encouragement of violence against Whitmer, his renewed calls have to be treated as “fighting words” aimed to incite an imminent breach of the peace.

    Whitmer should lock him up.

    Dave (1bb933)

  149. 150. Dr Scott Gottlieb today on Face the Nation (I trink he’s interviewed every week) didn’t seem too hopeful on vaccines coming soon or on therapeutics helping before that.

    He outlined several steps for a vaccine (including a minimum 3 to 4 week FDA turnaround time for approval) that would take us well into 2021, and as for therapeutics he said the current plan is for the antibodies to be distributed in emergency rooms (which he has previously said he thinks is bad but about which is fatalistic about so much he doesn’t challenge it) and it would have to be rationed.

    So I think it’s like more than two days before the end. It is still right that postponing things is good.

    Where we have hypocrisy or appeal to ignorance is the Democratic campaign simultaneously complaining about going on 250,0000 deaths and the economic slump.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  150. You never see the phrase “disparate impact” used with respect to Orthodox Jews. Ad there probably is no bigger case of disparate impact.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  151. Where we have hypocrisy or appeal to ignorance is the Democratic campaign simultaneously complaining about going on 250,0000 deaths and the economic slump.

    Sammy, it is common sense that for the economy to recover, the pandemic has to be controlled.

    Trump’s decision to ignore and actively sabotage his own task force’s guidelines is why we still have a raging pandemic AND an prostrate economy.

    Dave (1bb933)

  152. link at 154.

    Looking for someone to explain why an emerging movement that purports to advance the ideals they have always supported—fairness, justice, righting historical wrongs—feels like it is doing the opposite.

    This movement is not based on truth, so therefore that should not be too surprising.

    This is one reason truth is important.

    And why people who want to support lies also want to censor.

    There is another danger, this one from the left. And unlike Trump, this one has attained cultural dominance, capturing America’s elites and our most powerful institutions.

    Quite true. And therefore it is the real danger, not Trump. Which should be obvious.

    Maybe not that much of a danger right now, but a danger.

    As for Trump, he, after all, gets very very freely criticized.

    Now why doesn’t see make that argument?

    America… perhaps…we always assumed…would be…liberal. Not liberal in the narrow, partisan sense, but liberal in the…sense…that pluralism is a source of our strength; that tolerance is a reason for pride; and that liberty of thought, faith, and speech are the bedrocks of democracy.

    This still is the view of the majority of Americans, but there’s a increasing number of people among the elite who do not think so – who argue they are right and there can be no dispute, and that freedom of speech is harmful and bad; and that is much more common among the Democrats than among the Republicans, who don’t have enough followers anyway to impose any particular point of view or limitations on association in spite of the Democrats attempts to scare people along those lines.

    These limitations on association and acceptability of opinion are mostly done informally, as happened during the time of Senator Joseph McCarthy, but the power of government can be used to impact that too, and is being pushed, but this will probably be done slowly enough so as to result in a big defeat for the Democratic Party in 2022 and 2024, although not before some hard fought court cases and the destruction of some areas of civilization.

    No one has yet decided on the name for the force that has come to unseat liberalism.

    No, there’s a name. It’s called wokeism.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-ex-liberal-reluctantly-supports-trump-11602875814

    … “I had a close friend who’d been a business partner of Trump in the ’90s,” the critic and historian Fred Siegel tells me. “Trump ripped off a quarter of a million dollars from him. He told me this when we were discussing the election” four years ago. “Trump just said, ‘So, take me to court.’ I couldn’t vote for him.” Mr. Siegel couldn’t abide Hillary Clinton either, so he “slept through” the 2016 election. Next month he’ll be wide awake—though not woke—and will vote for Mr. Trump….

    ….In Mr. Siegel’s understanding, wokeism holds that “the important truths are already known, and that the American aristocracy has to impose those truths on the country.” These are “given positions”—irrefutable and sacrosanct. Wokeism, he says, is a “perilous threat” to America and particularly to the First Amendment. “It says we don’t need debate. We don’t need free speech. We don’t need freedom of religion. We need to obey.” Mr. Siegel’s vote is his personal act of disobedience….

    Fred Siegel’s thinking was not mine – he supported Mondale and Clinton and he doesn;t understand that Barack Obama indeed pushed back against the idea that Michael Brown said ‘Hands up, don’t shoot’ in Ferguson Missouri, at least to the extent of issuing a DOJ report that did not support that. I mean, he could have brought an unjustified prosecution. Instead he found some other problems in Ferguson, Missouri and he released a report about that first, and let the people who believed in the hoax down very very quietly, so quietly that they didn’t even notice that he had done that! Not what he should have done, but not the worst possible thing, either. Barack Obama was in position to strangle all of what’s going on in its cradle, and he didn’t.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  153. In that very essay Bari Weiss calls it wokeness . Why does she say it has no name?

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  154. Dave @159. Are you seriously suggesting Civil War?

    Trump is not suggesting anything extra judicial.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  155. SF: Barack Obama was in position to strangle all of what’s going on in its cradle, and he didn’t.

    But then he didn’t push back against anything that has been going on in Chicago during his early political career either, and there was lots that needed pushing back against.

    He stayed true to form.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  156. 162. Dave (1bb933) — 10/18/2020 @ 9:48 am

    Sammy, it is common sense that for the economy to recover, the pandemic has to be controlled.

    What other ways besides damaging the economy more are the Democrats proposing?

    Trump’s decision to ignore and actively sabotage his own task force’s guidelines is why we still have a raging pandemic AND an prostrate economy.

    The task force only wanted to go slower on re-opening. Now of course, reopening can be done in a way that is self defeating.

    What Trump needed to be for was pushing more treatments – throwing out every idea and seeing the reaction. Like FDR maybe with the Depression. Trump has done that but not enough. And he doesn’t highlight the antibody treatment he got. He didn;t even mention it explicitly the last time he had a major event: (although maybe he forgot what it is called)

    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-nbc-town-hall-transcript-october-15

    …And we have done an amazing job. And it’s rounding the corner and we have the vaccines coming, and we have the therapies coming. And I’ll tell you what, one thing. When I got it, I had a choice. Do nothing, or use some of the things that we’re looking at, like in this case, Regeneron. and Eli Lilly makes something that’s supposed to be incredible. And I think that maybe I wouldn’t be doing this discussion with you right now. We have therapies now and cures, maybe you can use the word cure, but we have therapies that are absolutely incredible, Savannah.

    No promise to make it available soon, like he did on the Rush Limbaugh show:

    https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2020/10/09/mega-maga-the-largest-radio-rally-in-history

    ….They talk about the vaccines. And the vaccines are very important, Rush. But this is more important because we can go in the hospitals and clean out the hospitals literally with people that… The vaccines are very important. It’s a different stage.

    RUSH: Well, yeah, this is the antibodies that you speak of.

    THE PRESIDENT: This is the antibody. This is the antibody, and Regeneron. It’s the most unbelievable thing I’ve ever seen. And I had a meeting with doctors today. You know, it’s always… The good thing about when our president, 11 doctors show up, and they’re all the head of Johns Hopkins and this and that. They’re great people. But Walter Reed is an incredible place. These 11 guys came in today.

    They showed me stats. It’s amazing. I don’t know I would have… I don’t know that… You know, I was not in the greatest of shape. A day later I was fine, maybe perfect, but I was fine. But a couple of days later… Now I’m free. I’m… You know, I feel perfect. I have no… I’m not taking anything. You know, I’m off any regimen that they gave me, but it was primarily this one drug.

    And we’re sending that and the Eli Lilly version of it, which is very similar. We’re sending that to all of our hospitals. We’re gonna get people better. We gotta get it there fast. That’s why I’m doing an emergency use authorization. I gotta get ’em to approve it really fast.

    I gave them my numbers to put in with the other numbers that they already have, which are very good, excellent, and it’s… You know, it’s the most amazing thing — and it’s not Remdesivir. Maybe that helps a little bit. But Remdesivir is not the same thing. This is stuff that is so good. It just wiped out the virus. It wiped it out —

    RUSH: Well, I’ll tell you —

    HE PRESIDENT: It’s such a big story to me…..

    ….This looks like it was gonna be a big deal — and you know what that means, right? That means bad, ’cause I’ve lost five people, at least five people that were friends of mine. One in particular, like, an incredible guy who went in there, went into the hospital; he was dead within three days. And I’m just saying that we have something that will cure this now. And a cure. And without us, without the Trump administration, this would never have happened.

    We poured money into these cures, and we poured money into the vaccines. And the vaccines are coming along great, Rush. I mean, the vaccines, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, Pfizer, they’re all coming along great. They’re a little bit political. They’re afraid it’s gonna go too fast and I’ll get credit for it before the election….

    Maybe so, but then Trump is now reeating under criticism, and he shouldn’t.

    He’s deferring too much to the experts – to people who are like World War I generals. Too slow. Never changing any thing or doing so but not enough, from what they’ve been doing since the 1960s.

    Trump actually doesn’t have any boldness. Because he doesn’t know enough.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  157. I’m talking about law and order, Sammy.

    And as for “not suggesting anything extrajudicial,” it was only a couple days ago that Trump boasted openly about federal marshals deciding to execute a suspect for “retribution” rather than taking him into custody for trial. Trump was obviously aware of the decision, approved of it, and may well have ordered the execution himself.

    Dave (1bb933)

  158. On the Rush Limbaugh show Trump misspoke or a word was lost by the transcriber. It should have been:should have said:

    A day later I was fine, maybe NOT perfect, but I was fine.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  159. Lock her up, implies due process of law. Now there’s no law he could cite, but that’s not what you use to describe kidnapping. He may have ben playing on the idea that the people who were arrested had the rght idea.

    And as for “not suggesting anything extrajudicial,” it was only a couple days ago that Trump boasted openly about federal marshals deciding to execute a suspect for “retribution” rather than taking him into custody for trial. Trump was obviously aware of the decision, approved of it, and may well have ordered the execution himself.

    No, he was trying to make the crowd think so, and that such an approach was legal. Still not vigilante stuff, or fighting words.

    Would it encourage police to do so? He hinted at that a few years ago. But not really because they know Trump’s not in charge of most police, and isn’t going to pardon anyone and they know it. The police do. This is boob bait for bubbas. Bad as that is, that is all that that is.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  160. Trump has a long history of encouraging the sort of police brutality that led to killing of George Floyd and others, and ultimately to the BLM protests.

    Here is our “not suggesting anything extra judicial” president in 2017:

    President Donald Trump received applause on Friday when he endorsed police brutality while delivering a speech to law enforcement officers on Long Island, New York.

    The president suggested that officers should hit suspects’ heads on the doors of their police cars.

    “When you see these towns and when you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just see them thrown in, rough, and I said, ‘Please don’t be too nice,’” Trump said.

    “Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over, like, don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody, don’t hit their head, I said, ‘You can take the hand away, OK?’” he added.

    His remarks received significant applause.

    In 2016, he famously encouraged supporters to attack protesters at his rallies, promising to pay their legal expenses (although in fairness, when a few tried to take him up on the offer – true to form – he stiffed them).

    Dave (1bb933)

  161. I heard Trump also dropped the F bomb on the radio.

    If Biden had done that we’d be hearing about how he can’t take the pressure, lost his mind because of his age, has no values. Trump can literally sue a prostitute for a refund while his wife is in the delivery room and he’s a family man.

    I see Harkin is still sharing these great twitter pwn the libruls slams. Awesome stuff! Convenient to not have to go check to see if Russian bots and die hard Trump fans are saying Trump is good and biden is bad.

    And Trump wants to put his opponent in prison again. Good to know! Nothing unamerican about that!

    If Trump does flee to Turkey to tweet at us, avoiding prosecution, that will be the first genuinely cost saving move he’s made. I’m sure Putin’s got a plan to take good care of Trump. Those guys always take great care of Americans who betray their country, no sarcasm intended.

    This has to be the most beautiful weekend all year out here. Even with the all the problems, I feel fortunate.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  162. Trump says his children are good kids, but if they wanted to they could have made a fortune, more than Hunter. Says Joe Biden’s family is a criminal enterprise. (at a rally)

    Says tech companies have now gone crazy.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  163. “Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over, like, don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody, don’t hit their head, I said, ‘You can take the hand away, OK?’” he added.

    His remarks received significant applause.

    I remember that. Embarrassing. Imagine every good cop realizing Trump just undid more good will than they could create in 100 careers, so he could get an applause line in.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  164. Dave @171

    exactly what I was referring to @170.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  165. Every Trump speech is about the same. That’s what they call a stump speech. You could tear half of it apart.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  166. “ I see Harkin is still sharing these great twitter pwn the libruls slams. Awesome stuff!”
    _

    Thanks!!
    __ _

    Elena Kuhn
    @elenakuhn
    ·
    WATCH: John James completely fumbles on @Local4News when pressed on how he’d protect Michiganders with pre-existing conditions. (Hint: it’s because he has absolutely no plan to do so) #MISen
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    (((AG)))
    @AGHamilton29

    So MI Democrats are passing around the below intentionally edited video where they cutoff John James mid-answer to make it appear like he didn’t have a response. Rather dishonest and desperate.

    Here is the rest of the answer: https://twitter.com/JohnJamesMI/status/1317869651574067200
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    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze

    Twitter is no doubt adding context and warning labels to this clip, right?
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  167. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/18/2020 @ 10:49 am

    If Biden had done that we’d be hearing about how he can’t take the pressure, lost his mind because of his age, has no values.

    I’m guessing the people here pimping Biden don’t actually listen to him talk live. He’s starting to lose the ability to even follow the teleprompter.

    But anything is acceptable when you’ve got to save the world.

    frosty (f27e97)

  168. Lock her up, implies due process of law.

    To you, perhaps. To me, it’s about a political figure accusing his opponent of committing a crime, with or without basis or justification.

    Paul Montagu (b43ee7)

  169. Trump claims he is gong to win Minnesota.

    Claims that they used to say that he didn’t build the wall. but he built 400 miles. Says then they said but Mexico isn’t paying for it. He insists that Mexico is paying for the wall – they don’t like to say so, but they are.

    Trump says people were happy to hear he got Covid.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  170. Use to be the president wouldn’t even comment on whether someone is guilty or not, because of the problems that creates. But when Trump demands every opponent he has must be in prison, that’s actually super cool. Trump’s a cool guy. Democracy, elections, the concept of fair dealing, super nerdy and uncool.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  171. Trump says people were happy to hear he got Covid.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/18/2020 @ 11:05 am

    People have bad thoughts like that. Trump has actually joked when his opponents got sick, so I understand why he focuses on that.

    It would be terrible if Trump were a martyr for white supremacists and traitors. They would have to hide where they dispose of him, the way they had to with hitler and OBL.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  172. Twitter refuses to unlock New York Post account unless Hunter Biden posts deleted

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/twitter-has-refused-to-unlock-new-york-posts-account
    __ _

    Most recent tweet from the NY Post is from four days ago.

    Nothing to see here, move along.”
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  173. 182: but would he be on T-Shirts in the hoo…er, Turning Point and Black Voices for Trump gatherings?

    urbanleftbehind (9eaa8c)

  174. In bad old days, comrades, Pаздел дезинформации (Razdel Dezinformatsii) would plant story written by Sean Hannity’s Girl Friday with friendly tabloid and then need to wait for legitimate media to pick it up. We thought it would be different now that capitalists invented Twitter and Facebook. But reactionary elements cut us off one more time. Is bad old days all same still.

    nk (1d9030)

  175. Most recent tweet from the NY Post is from four days ago.

    “Nothing to see here, move along.”
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    harkin (7fb4c9) — 10/18/2020 @ 11:24 am

    Twitter should just ban the account. October surprise BS from our would-be dictator? Screw ’em. If they want to shake up the election, they better do it ethically. I’m tired of a million fake russian bots telling good people what to think, fueled by fear and lies.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  176. Dan Noyes
    @dannoyes
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    Here’s the moment that Trump supporter Philip Anderson was sucker punched by someone in black clothing and mask, presumably Antifa. You can see tooth flying. SFPD investigating; those tattoos are distinctive. Anderson organized free speech rally today, to protest Twitter bans.

    https://twitter.com/dannoyes/status/1317661714217775115?s=20
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    A white Antifa thug cold-cocking a black Trump supporter…..

    Black guy must have been smirking.

    But it’s not white-on-black crime because according to Joe, he ‘ain’t black’.

    Biden/Harris – what could go wrong?
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    harkin (7fb4c9)

  177. “Twitter should just ban the account.“
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    lololololol
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    harkin (7fb4c9)

  178. But anything is acceptable when you’ve got to save the world.

    Replace “the world” with “America,” and that perfectly describes the Trumpist attitude toward Trump.
    But it’s beyond that: he doesn’t even have to do anything particularly beneficial for America. The core Trumpist belief is: “Anything is acceptable as long as Trump does it.” When other people do similar things, the rules are very different. Do Trumpists really believe it’s okay, as a general principle, for an American president to gloat about an extrajudicial execution, or to stir up fanatical hostility toward governors he doesn’t like? etc. etc.?

    Trump has a seriously warped psyche. He whines about how TV news was covering trivial things like hurricanes and floods instead of trumpeting that he had been nominated for a Nobel prize, and he is so pathologically self-absorbed that he assumes his audiences must have the same idea of what really matters.

    Probably some people do. Some Trumpists are little different from the man in India who literally worshiped Trump at a shrine he built, and then died of grief with Trump had Covid.

    Radegunda (786b96)

  179. Biden/Harris – what could go wrong?

    What exactly have they done to encourage violence?
    Trump told his fans to beat up hecklers or people holding unfavorable signs, and said he would pay their legal bills. (Any chance he would actually have done that?)

    I’ve seen video of MAGA-heads punching people who were doing nothing more than saying things they didn’t like. That doesn’t excuse the Antifa scum — but the difference is that the MAGA-heads are getting encouragement from their “favorite president.”

    Radegunda (786b96)

  180. Biden/Harris – what could go wrong?

    It’s funny when people point to things happening right now, while Trump is president, as an warning of how terrible things could be under a different president.

    Radegunda (786b96)

  181. Radegunda (786b96) — 10/18/2020 @ 11:53 am

    It seems like it’s down to a matter of scale. If we go with your formulation, Trumpists are trying to save America and NeverTrump is trying to literally save the whole world.

    So, for NeverTrump destroying the village to save it from Trump isn’t really a confused euphemism.

    Keep fighting the good fight.

    frosty (f27e97)

  182. @178 I’m reasonably certain there’s a high level of proof that I’ve listened to Biden speak. Like here, right on this here website. From less than a week ago. He was fine.

    Nic (896fdf)

  183. Here’s a question: Why is an “active Russian agent” talking about a “second laptop” involving the Bidens?

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  184. Two NY Post reporters refused to have their bylines on the Hunter Biden laptop story, and this.

    Ms. Morris did not have a bylined article in The Post before Wednesday, a search of its website showed. She arrived at the tabloid in April after working as an associate producer on Sean Hannity’s Fox News show, according to her LinkedIn profile. Her Instagram account, which was set to private on Wednesday, included photos of her posing with the former Trump administration members Mr. Bannon and Sarah Huckabee Sanders, as well as Roger J. Stone Jr., a friend and former campaign adviser to Mr. Trump. (In July, the president commuted the sentence of Mr. Stone on seven felonies.)

    Ms. Fonrouge had little to do with the reporting or writing of the article, said three people with knowledge of how it was prepared. She learned that her byline was on the story only after it was published, the people said.

    The article relied on documents purportedly taken from the hard drive to suggest that the elder Mr. Biden, as vice president, had directed American foreign policy in Ukraine to benefit his son, a former board member of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company.

    Paul Montagu (29a38e)

  185. It’s funny when people point to things happening right now, while Trump is president, as an warning of how terrible things could be under a different president.
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    It’s funny when people point to riots, looting, arson, murders, people calling for de-funding police depts. etc. right now in Democratic-controlled cities, as proof that the solution is installing a Democratic administration for everyone.
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    harkin (7fb4c9)

  186. SFL Lock her up, implies due process of law.

    Paul Montagu (b43ee7) — 10/18/2020 @ 11:01 am

    To you, perhaps. To me, it’s about a political figure accusing his opponent of committing a crime, with or without basis or justification.

    Well, yes, that’s right. He’s really just implying she did something that at least should be a crime. Whether he has any kind of basis for it, you wold have to learn from somewhere else,

    My point was that he was not calling for a criminal assault on her. No sense in reading something like that into it.

    The whole idea was probably raised by the FBI, who were trying to direct the criminal like musings of some people into more punishable parts of the penal code.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  187. Now that’s funny.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

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