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10/16/2020

Mitt In The Middle

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:13 am



[guest post by Dana]

Refusing to go down the rabbit hole:

I’m reading a lot of complaints that Mitt is playing both sides, and shame on him for not being able to make a solid stand against X (that changes depending on whether the complainant is a Democrat or Republican). But here’s the thing, the two major parties have morphed into some unrecognizable carnival-mirror version of their former selves. Today’s parties would have been unrecognizable not that long ago. One can still hold their political views and values, yet take aim at targets ripe for the attack. And if supporters don’t like their party being attacked, maybe those targets ought to do something about their presentation, substance, goals, and alignments.

There is still a remnant of Americans trying to hold the increasingly elusive middle. And we’re dug in.

–Dana

114 Responses to “Mitt In The Middle”

  1. Nobody’s perfect, and certainly Mitt Romney isn’t, but I am happy to see at least one elected official is angry enough about the downward spiral of today’s political world that he is compelled to publicly push back against it.

    Dana (292df6)

  2. Mitt In The Middle

    And what do you do with cows? Malcolm. 😉

    It’s hard to take Willard seriously anymore. He’s as bad as Hillary Rodham, Life, circa June, 1969. Been around to long.

    The Brits do this so much better. You lose, you’re done; you’re old, you’re out– or knighted.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  3. “There is still a remnant of Americans trying to hold the increasingly elusive middle.”

    And they’re working, paying taxes and taking care of their children and themselves while being cast as what’s wrong with the country.

    But they aren’t rioting, calling cops the enemy, ignoring the very real disastrous effects of lockdowns and equating a positive test with a fatality, censoring news they don’t like or treating one nominee as a villain and one as Mister Rodgers.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  4. @3 In all fairness, it was a Trump person who called Biden Mister Rogers, thinking they were being insulting. They, um, seem to have discovered differently.

    Nic (896fdf)

  5. I don’t see Mitt “playing both sides”. He agrees (mostly) with Trump on policy and disagrees with Trump’s coziness with nutcases, racists and other extremists. Romney is chewing his gum while walking.
    Whatever happened to “if you see something, say something”?

    Paul Montagu (fbcd32)

  6. @4, Don’t confuse a good pity party with facts.

    Time123 (66d88c)

  7. I think that Romney is in a unique position. He has a conservative base that he needs to keep happy, and yet his principles and values don’t allow him to remain silent in the face of Trump’s corruption and off the rails behavior. And he shouldn’t remain silent, not if he has any integrity. That he is the only Republican publicly speaking out and that there is silence from other notable Republicans speaks volumes, I think. Don’t they publicly claim to hold similar principles, foundational beliefs, and values as a Romney? Where are they then?

    Dana (292df6)

  8. OT- Kudos to Dana.

    Don’t know how you– and JVW do it– posting timely while managing a real life.

    Recall my own daily deadline times day in and day out– it can wear you down, especially in busy times like these.

    Well done, Dana.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. That he is the only Republican publicly speaking out and that there is silence from other notable Republicans speaks volumes, I think.

    It says pretty loudly that he’s not up for re-election, and that he represents the safest state for Republicans.

    He could fire everyone’s dad, put every dog on top of his car, and still grandstand without the slightest concern.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  10. 3,4. DCSCA might have a solid “he is you” on this one- Mr. Rogers was always a punching bag to those who made fun of PBS for its content and who simply wanted nothing more than to zero out the CPB budget.

    urbanleftbehind (42dcc3)

  11. @7 Trashing Trump on the phone to constituents and donors and hugging him close in public.

    Nic (896fdf)

  12. “And they’re working, paying taxes and taking care of their children and themselves while being cast as what’s wrong with the country.”

    You are not the middle.

    Davethulhu (d0e475)

  13. OT- Kudos to Dana.

    Don’t know how you– and JVW do it– posting timely while managing a real life.

    Recall my own daily deadline times day in and day out– it can wear you down, especially in busy times like these.

    Well done, Dana.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/16/2020 @ 11:52 am

    Absolutely right. It must be incredibly time consuming. The quality remains great, year after year, the posters all passionate but more professional and moderate than I could ever be in their shoes.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  14. The one on the right is the one on the left and the one in the middle is the Methodist
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  15. jeez you sure love twitter

    Mitt’s going to be the next nominee. He was the one before the party failed, he was the only one who really stood up to Trump. Wish Cruz hadn’t become what he is today. Mitt sees the niche and is ready to roll.

    A Romney v Harris election will be interesting.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  16. @7 Trashing Trump on the phone to constituents and donors and hugging him close in public.

    Nic (896fdf) — 10/16/2020 @ 12:10 pm

    But has he really been hugging him in person (aside from the 2012 thank you for endorsing me President Trump bit?) I don’t consider an agreement on policy to be the same thing as publicly holding him close.

    Dana (292df6)

  17. Dustin,
    1. Mitt is old.
    2. I think a large chunk of Trump’s base is going to hold out for someone that validates their feelings of persecution. This portion of the base will hate Romney.

    Time123 (66d88c)

  18. I hope you are right Dustin, but Harris will more than likely hasten the emergence of the douchebro wing. Nothing rules out Romney-Young Attack Dog, but I think the Ozarks and South Carolina will be represented in one of 2 permutations (Haley-Cotton, Hawley-Scott)

    urbanleftbehind (42dcc3)

  19. jeez you sure love twitter

    Are you referring to Mitt?

    Dana (292df6)

  20. lol at not understanding Twitter’s influence on news consumption.

    Speaking of, they made the ‘sexual preference’ slur of Amy Coney Barrett their #1 News trend yesterday while they were shutting down the twitter feeds of newspapers and Republicans.

    Ho hum, nothing to see here, move along.

    https://youtu.be/AYNxisJGNG0
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  21. Extra points for the ‘jeez you sure love Twitter’ blast in a post where Dana references a tweet meant to influence voters.

    You could teach a class in non-self awareness.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  22. Are you referring to Mitt?

    Dana (292df6) — 10/16/2020 @ 12:32 pm

    No, I have noticed harkin really enjoys sharing twitter conversations.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  23. You could teach a class in non-self awareness.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9) — 10/16/2020 @ 12:39 pm

    I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. You share so many twitter conversations. You clearly get a lot more out of it than I do.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  24. 24 – Earth to you

    Most of the original posts at this website now either include tweets or reference social media comments.

    You are like the Maize Hirono of these boards.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  25. Today’s Twitter meme to sway voters is Trump and blood pressure.

    https://twitter.com/KateHydeNY/status/1317113686826373121?s=20

    Biden voters will tell you this is no big deal.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  26. Well, Trump did say, when asked to comment on something that Senator Ben Sasse said, that Senator Ben Sasse could be right that they are nuts.

    Also, saying he knew nothing about it amounts to saying that what they say about his great struggle with the pedophile supporters (which he is always on the verge of winning) is false. If Savannah Guthrie wanted to get a debunking out of him, she could have done that. But she wanted a denunciation.

    I think Trump just doesn’t want to tell anyone who supports him that they are wrong about something, and still less, that they are bad people.

    He can be excused (at least at first) for not being overly familiar with what QAnon is.

    That there are a lot f pedophles and that they have political support is a theme of Russian propaganda.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  27. shame on you for culturally appropriating the identity of a woman of color mr dustin

    Dave (1bb933)

  28. @10. Met Fred Rogers while at CBS. Both of us were from Pgh., so his face lit up as we chAtted about how children’s television blossomed there an how much it actually does stay w/kids.

    He was a genuinely fine man.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. Today’s parties would have been unrecognizable not that long ago.

    No, it was already like this during the Clinton administration. Goin back maybe into the 1980s.

    Remember Republicans wanting to endanger Social Security? Or Jimmy Carter’s (yes it was he who quietly set this in motion) attempts in the late 1980s to convince people that Reagan and Bush attempted to prevent Iran from releasing the hostages in 1980?

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  30. Once Trump is gone, Mitt will wonder why nobody thinks of him as a principled centrist anymore. His darling status with the media will go poof. He’ll return to right wing nut status. CNN won’t return his calls.

    Nobody needs Trump more than NeverTrump.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  31. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/16/2020 @ 12:24 pm

    Mitt’s going to be the next nominee.

    Well, if Trump gets exactly 270 Electoral votes (by losing Michigan and Pennsylvania and carrying everything else he carried before) a faithless Elector (far fewer of them thanks to a Supreme Court decision) culd throw him into contention, but he’s too old to be the next nominee.

    If only the democrts had nominated 82 year old former Governor Moonbeam. (also known as Governor Methuselah)

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  32. O.M.G. Lyin’ Biden in Michigan. Again w/t lie he grew up in Scranton; again w/ lie Trump lives on Park Avenue. Again w/emoting over dead Beau, his dead Dad… .dead senators… dead Covid victims….

    Jaysus.

    All he talks about are the dead.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. @16. Mitt’s going to be the next nominee.

    Not a chance in Hell, Dustin.

    1. In case you haven’t noticed the heat- we’re in it now.
    2. He’s a member of a cult.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. He at least made it as far NW from Wilmington DE as Michigan. If he makes it to TX and AZ, he could be near-comatose and it would still be a win.

    urbanleftbehind (42dcc3)

  35. @17 OK, it really probably is “saying vaguely positive things” in public rather than hugging him closely. It’s a bad look, though.

    @16 I don’t think Romney is going to run. He took his shot and didn’t make it. I think Sasse is going to run. I think that’s part of what his various maneuverings have been about. I also think Haley. Probably a couple of R. Govs as well.

    Nic (896fdf)

  36. #2 DCSCA describes the English system this way

    You lose, you’re done; you’re old, you’re out– or knighted.

    That may be how things are now, but Winston Churchill would have been in Coventry permanently forever by 1920 (or 1928) if that were the case in his day. Something to consider…

    Appalled (1a17de)

  37. We are absolutely ripe for a new mass party. A fiscally-conservative party aimed devolving significant money and authority back to the states. Powerful states, with a mobile population (unlike that of 1850 or even 1950) could enable significant social diversity and allow most to pursue a happiness they might not find in our once-size-fits-all unitary state.

    Both parties compete to control 330 million people according to some perfect set of rules. And of course many are fearful of the existential threat that the wrong side will be in charge. Trump is the perfect poster boy for NOT DOING IT THIS WAY.

    Let the states have considerable latitude. Even in some things where right-minded people would think it’s wrong. Everyone can move, given the incentive.

    It wouldn’t hurt to break up megastates like CA and TX, or to separate megacities from the rural parts of their states (IL, NY).

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  38. Susan Collins going down the rabbit hole:

    Susan Collins Backs QAnon Believers for Maine Legislature

    Sen. Susan Collins is financially supporting the state legislative campaigns of two fellow Maine Republicans who fervently believe in QAnon…..

    Kevin Bushey and Brian Redmond, the QAnon believers supported by Collins, are both military veterans who eagerly anticipate a political bloodbath will soon erupt nationwide, ultimately leading to arrests, military trials, and “God-declared executions” for “traitors” like top Democratic politicians and donors, socialists, Planned Parenthood, and Black Lives Matter and Sunrise Movement activists.

    Last month, Collins’ personal political action committee, Dirigo PAC, contributed $400 each to Bushey and Redmond. Both are challenging Democratic incumbents for seats in the Maine House of Representatives representing parts of Aroostook County — the poverty-plagued, northernmost area of the state, where Collins was born and raised. The Maine GOP’s campaign fund for House races also gave Bushey and Redmond $400 each last month. For Redmond, those contributions amount to more than half the money his campaign has raised so far.
    ……
    In an interview with Mainer, Redmond said he discovered QAnon in the comments section of Zero Hedge, a far-right, libertarian economics blog notorious for spreading conspiracies. “I was hooked right off the bat,” said Redmond, who now considers himself an investigative journalist. “It was an opportunity to wrestle back control of our government from subvertists and treasonists. … As a veteran, I was called to arms.”
    …….
    “The end of World War III will end with Donald Trump,” he continued. “It’s already happening with the crushing of ISIS. There will be another Nuremberg trial, some of these icons of American industry and business will be held accountable at Gitmo [the military detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba].”
    ……
    Bushey’s deeply disturbing political views are all over the Internet. The retired Air Force colonel proselytizes on YouTube as a leader of a “QAnon church” called Omega Kingdom Ministries (OKM), explaining how the conspiracy theory melds with Biblical teachings. In an interview on Crash Barry’s podcast Open Ears Maine, posted by Mainer last May, Bushey said a shadowy group that includes Freemasons, bankers, Catholics and Jews “have worked very diligently to support the idea that we should be in continuous war or having wars, because they like to finance both sides of the equation. They’re the producers, the manufacturers, and they control the money supplies.”
    ……
    Given her polling (RCP average has Gideon at +4.2), you would think SC would avoid controversy. I guess not.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  39. Mitt’s going to be the next nominee.

    Only if a GOP “Bernie” is the other choice. The Republicans will never again allow their party to be hijacked by someone who hates it. It happened with Goldwater, and it happened with Trump. They will run Kasich before they let that happen again.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  40. You know who’s got a real problem in 2024? Nikki Haley. Put her up against Harris and it looks like “Me, Too!”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  41. He’s a member of a cult.

    Said the man pretending to back Trump.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  42. You know, Trump can run again in 2024.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  43. You know, Trump can run again in 2024.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/16/2020 @ 2:12 pm

    Why do you have to do that to me man?

    Dustin (4237e0)

  44. Johnny Rotten/Wilcow/2024

    mg (8cbc69)

  45. Not a chance in Hell, Dustin.

    1. In case you haven’t noticed the heat- we’re in it now.
    2. He’s a member of a cult.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/16/2020 @ 1:32 pm

    I’ll take whatever Mitt’s heart tells him about family and God and right vs wrong over, say, Ivanka’s heart.

    I know there are some silly aspects of Mormonism. I watched that South Park special. But they are really nice people. I’ve run into them many times and they are simply really good people. Maybe there’s something to the radical leap of faith they take, and the outcome.

    And remember, I’m not a huge fan of Mitt Romney over the years. I’m just saying there’s a clear… even desperate need for a Republican who stood up to Trump. He saw that and took advantage while most of his party punked out.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  46. More from the rabbit hole:

    QAnon supporters behind canceled fundraiser give Trump $1M

    President Donald Trump recently accepted $1 million in campaign contributions from a couple whose vocal support for the QAnon conspiracy theory led to the cancellation of a fundraiser they were supposed to host for Vice President Mike Pence last month.

    The couple, Caryn and Michael Borland, have shared QAnon memes and retweeted posts from QAnon accounts, The Associated Press reported in September, which led to the cancellation of a Montana fundraiser. The conspiracy theory includes baseless, farfetched allegations about liberals and satanism and child sex trafficking as well as claims that Trump is fighting entrenched enemies in the government.
    …….
    New campaign finance disclosures released Thursday night show Trump’s joint fundraising effort with the Republican National Committee accepted $1.03 million from the couple, which they donated in late August before the fundraiser was canceled. Their son, whose occupation is listed as “student,” contributed an additional $580,000 around the same time, the records show.
    ……

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  47. @41

    You know who’s got a real problem in 2024? Nikki Haley. Put her up against Harris and it looks like “Me, Too!”

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/16/2020 @ 2:11 pm

    I actually like Nikki Haley and would support her. To be fair, she’s been telegraphing maneuvers for the Oval Office since her UN ambassador days.

    whembly (c30c83)

  48. Trump Reverses Decision to Reject California’s Request for Wildfire Relief

    Trump folds again. Glorious. If he now expects to win California, I don’t think so.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  49. You never beens better look for a new party, Trump has enthusiasm and that is the only way forward. Besides Madam Crowley dominating a mittens of a man is not presidential.

    mg (8cbc69)

  50. Haley went all-in on what looked like a sure thing when she sucked up to the orange during impeachment, but ended up backing a losing horse.

    Like all the other spineless traitors, when she had a choice between America and Trump, she chose Trump.

    She’s finished.

    Dave (1bb933)

  51. CNN won’t return his calls.
    Nobody needs Trump more than NeverTrump.

    Not everyone is as publicity-obsessed as Donald Trump.
    The “NeverTrumpers” were pretty much all busy before Trump launched his campaign — criticizing Democrats; working for Republicans; promoting their preferred policies. They didn’t need the foil of Trump to get work or bring meaning into their lives.

    For conservatives to oppose the GOP candidate and president has often meant a loss of friends, loss of a platform, and perhaps loss of income. “NeverTrumpers” do not expect CNN or Democrats to keep loving them — to the limited extent they do now — once Trump is gone. They’re not all the cynical grifters and publicity-seekers that Trumpers like to imagine every Trump critic is.

    Radegunda (20775b)

  52. @37. Lest you forget, they were still quite hesitant decades after Gallipoli and in ’45, they still fired his ass. No good deed goes unpunished. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  53. Dustin, you know what the difference is between Willard and Ivan Boesky, Michael Milken, Larry Tisch, Charles Keating, Leona Helmsley, George Steinbrenner and Donald Trump is?

    Nothing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  54. They’re not all the cynical grifters and publicity-seekers that Trumpers like to imagine every Trump critic is.

    Yeah, at least not when they’re up for re-election.

    “Thank you Mr. President for the support. I hope that over the course of the campaign I also earn the support and endorsement of the people of Utah.”

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-voices-support-mitt-romney-campaign-senate/story?id=53208232

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  55. #56
    Obviously you’d prefer that every Republican just praise Trump always, without qualification, and never, ever say a thing about his selfishness, dishonesty, cruelty, ignorance, lunacy, etc.

    But your statement was about “NeverTrumpers,” very few of whom are in elective office or seeking election. Trump-defenders tell themselves that Trump-critics are all cynical and self-interested, as a way of justifying their own boosting of someone that John Kelly called “the most flawed person I have ever met in my life.”

    Whatever Romney’s flaws, no one could honestly describe him that way. And the suggestion that he won’t know what to do when there’s no more Trump to kick around is nutty.

    So is the implication that NeverTrumpers all really, really want him to win election so they can keep going on CNN.

    Radegunda (20775b)

  56. It’s also pretty funny when Trump defenders pretend to be offended by another person’s inconsistency or an action that might have a whiff of self-interest about it.

    Radegunda (20775b)

  57. We have seen the swamp, and it is Trump. Spray some DDT on the orange malaria.

    nk (1d9030)

  58. “But your statement was about “NeverTrumpers,” very few of whom are in elective office or seeking election. Trump-defenders tell themselves that Trump-critics are all cynical and self-interested, as a way of justifying their own boosting of someone that John Kelly called “the most flawed person I have ever met in my life.””

    Every accusation by Trump and his supporters is actually a confession.

    Davethulhu (361bc7)

  59. “Every accusation by Trump and his supporters is actually a confession.”

    Right on the money. Practically epigrammatic.

    nk (1d9030)

  60. O.M.G.

    Biden in Michigan. Dressed in black, talking about the dead.

    Literally The Grim Reaper.

    Who are his handlers?

    In the background— car horns honking for Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  61. You know who’s got a real problem in 2024? Nikki Haley. Put her up against Harris and it looks like “Me, Too!”

    Nah. Kamala dresses like a man but that can’t make her one.

    Nikki is a woman not only proud to but looks good wearing a dress.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. You never beens better look for a new party

    I can see mg and the “Real Republicans” meeting down in the back of Denny’s, wondering how those damn Federalists ate their lunch. Then they’ll look down and see their lunch is gone again.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  63. Prediction: Trump will not be a speaker at the 2024 GOP Convention.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  64. DCSCA – 62
    Rhodes, Harrison,Fehrnstrom, Myers, Stevens, Flaherty
    mittens handlers remind me of the washington generals.

    mg (8cbc69)

  65. “Seeing the Biden family’s corruption as part of this entrenched system is why the social-media censorship of that story should not be seen as a separate, stand-alone scandal. It is integral to understanding how the Swamp’s ecosystem operates, how it defines our politics.

    The operation is visible in the New York Post exposé of Biden family corruption. The FBI has had those documents for months, so they should be either verified or discredited by now. Those findings, if they exist, have not leaked. If the emails are legitimate, they are bombshells. If they are false, they are worse than duds. They are a major disinformation campaign — an assault on our election — and we need to know who is behind it so we can hold them accountable.

    Twitter and Facebook have prevented dissemination of the Post story on their platforms. The reason, they say, is that they have not substantiated it themselves. They decided to block all users, including members of Congress and the President’s press secretary, from sharing links to these published stories. Big Tech Knows Best.

    Remember, this story was published by a major newspaper, a reputable one with a large circulation, subject to libel and defamation laws. Notice that the Biden presidential campaign has not denied the documents are authentic.“

    https://theintercept.com/2020/10/15/facebook-and-twitter-cross-a-line-far-more-dangerous-than-what-they-censor/
    __ _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  66. Have never been a republican, Kevin M. Always unenrolled. Have never been in a denny’s. No republican can win in 2024 without Trump’s base. Revenge against never trumpers will be life long for most. I know I am not voting for 3 republicans on the upcoming ballot as they like you, Kevin M. think I am a hillbilly rube. But hey my vote cancels yours.

    mg (8cbc69)

  67. But your statement was about “NeverTrumpers,”

    No, it was about a NeverTrump pol that is the subject of the post.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  68. So, you aren’t a Republican but demand the Republicans cower before you. Eff off. I will never forgive the people who brought us Trump. A pox upon you … oh, wait.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  69. Every accusation by Trump and his supporters is actually a confession.

    Davethulhu, Romney superfan — at least for the next three months.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  70. The place to see a lot of dresses in Chicago is the Halloween neighborhood walk at Boystown, down Halsted Street from Belmont past Addison to the Kit Kat Lounge, but I don’t know if there will be one this year.

    nk (1d9030)

  71. More guys with shaved legs than women at a NOW rally.

    nk (1d9030)

  72. Less confrontationally, mg, the problem we have with Trump is Trump himself. Even if I agreed with every damn thing he brought to the table, HE HIMSELF was a terrible, no good, awful spokesman. His self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing, sleazy, untruthful, confused to the point of demented and generally disturbed personality made anything he professed automatically suspect.

    Yeah, sure, judges, but a blind Republican with a bag of names supplied by the Federalist Society could have done as well.

    As for “only Trump could have beat Hillary”, I can’t even. Hillary beat herself. There were 3 or 4 Republcians who could have beat her handily. Oh, sure, YOU wouldn’t have voted for them, but that means less than you think it does. For every, um, deeply partisan voter that Trump attracted he repelled two in the center.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  73. The GOP will move past this train wreck and perhaps there will be people who insist on living in the wreckage. Fine. They can go vote for Democrats for all I care. That’ll show us!

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  74. Revenge against never trumpers will be life long for most.

    I read this as “We are so deranged that we will vote for our hangmen!”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  75. I read this as “We are so deranged that we will vote for our hangmen!”

    Sounds like the NeverTrump motto.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  76. Sounds like the NeverTrump motto.

    I am quite rationally voting for every Republican on the ballot, except Trump. I cannot vote for a man who thinks the previous president had Seal Team members killed to cover up some scandal. Who supports SA goons (and no Antifa doesn’t make it equal). Who calls for people to take up arms against the election results. Who is a racist fool with a room temperature IQ and the disposition of a rabid boar.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  77. No republican can win in 2024 without Trump’s base.

    All three of them?

    nk (1d9030)

  78. It’s not about policy.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  79. A Republican who runs on some of the same issues will attract the same support, especially if they can demonstrate that they know how to make things happen. Trump was the Sorcerer’s Apprentice, building mess upon mess with none of his goals accomplished, and those that were accomplished by EO will be gone by next February.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  80. I actually like Nikki Haley and would support her. To be fair, she’s been telegraphing maneuvers for the Oval Office since her UN ambassador days.

    whembly (c30c83) — 10/16/2020 @ 2:20 pm

    i don’t think that’s surprising. she has repeatedly put Trump over the USA so Trump fans should adore her.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  81. A close friend whose judgment I trust implicitly dated one of Mitt’s nieces long ago, and knew him pretty well. He says Mitt is a genuinely decent guy. That’s good enough for me. Of course my friend is a Mormon, so if you think that makes him an untrustworthy cultist, good for you. I don’t want you on my side.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  82. @83. Ask the dog.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  83. @65. Prediction: Trump will not be a speaker at the 2024 GOP Convention.

    Prediction: there will be no 2024 GOP Convention due to Covid 23. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  84. The Republican Party was an accident of history to begin, born in the worst catastrophe to befall America, and if it can no longer exist without Trump’s weirdos and opportunists, it is better for America that it ceases to exist.

    nk (1d9030)

  85. 59.We have seen the swamp, and it is Trump. Spray some DDT on the orange malaria.

    Swamp gas is a U.F. Joe.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  86. She’s finished.

    More like polished, naturally tanned, rested and ready. And doesn’t have the pants suit/fire plug look- she’s attractive and confident in a dress.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  87. i don’t think that’s surprising. she has repeatedly put Trump over the USA so Trump fans should adore her.

    I disagree. She has supported Trump at times of her choosing, on issues where support was at least reasonable. For example, she said that she did not see an impeachable offense in Trump’s Ukraine call. She did not say she thought Trump’s behavior was exemplary, just that it wasn’t impeachable.

    Now, I both agree with her and think that Trump’s general behavior, on that call or elsewhere, was impeachable for bringing the US into disrepute — a charge Nancy would not bring.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  88. if it can no longer exist without Trump’s weirdos and opportunists, it is better for America that it ceases to exist.

    Yeah, sure, but it would be replaced by much the same party. Niches get filled.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  89. Lurker, I have said that Mitt was probably the best person nominated by a party for President since at least Reagan. It is a pity that Mitt is not spending today writing his farewell speech after two successful terms leading a reunited country.

    This may cause you to rethink, but there you have it.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  90. @68 You’ve never been to Denny’s?! What are you, some kinda Ruskie?

    Nic (896fdf)

  91. 86.The Republican Party was an accident of history to begin, born in the worst catastrophe to befall America, and if it can no longer exist without Trump’s weirdos and opportunists, it is better for America that it ceases to exist.

    Reaganomics; Reaganoptics; Reaganaurics.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  92. Denny’s is greasy and can be thug fight night past 1am, I dont blame the guy.

    Yes, Haley in 24 could be a MeToo with a good chunk of Trump base saying what’s the damn difference. A lot of them today have her as sort of neocon and almost as much of an AA hire as Harris.

    urbanleftbehind (42dcc3)

  93. Yeah, that racist streak is something the GOP ought not chase.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  94. @94. She’s more attractive and less caustic than Harris. And that’s 80% of the battle in an era when image over substance rules. AKA: Reaganoptics.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  95. @94 Denny’s is for breakfast. pft. effete elitism gettin’ their elitism all over the comment section.

    (It’s also the only place open driving through Salt Lake at 8:00AM on a Sunday morning)

    Nic (896fdf)

  96. Jonathon Cheng
    @JChengWSJ

    China’s ambassador to Canada to Canadians: Stop granting asylum to democracy activists from Hong Kong or it could jeopardize the “health and safety” of the 300,000 Canadians living in Hong Kong.

    Q: Is that a threat?
    A: “That is your interpretation.”

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-chinese-envoy-says-canadas-acceptance-of-hong-kong-refugees/
    __ _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  97. I guess the Trudeau family has no Chinese trademarks the Chinese government could threaten instead.

    nk (1d9030)

  98. That’s probably the biggest “Big Lie” that got Trump elected. That he would do something about China. All he did was fall in love with the vicious dog it keeps in its backyard.

    nk (1d9030)

  99. he torpedoed the transpacific trade deal obama had negotiated against them with all our friends too mr nk

    Dave (1bb933)

  100. Trump in Georgia: I might leave the country if I lose

    “I’m gonna say, I lost to the worst candidate in the history of politics I’m not gonna feel so good. Maybe I’ll have to leave the country. I don’t know.”

    If he knows what’s good for him, he’ll be on one of Putin’s personal jets, over international waters, by the time Biden is sworn in.

    Dave (1bb933)

  101. ah, you’re just saying that to cheer me up, mr. Dave

    i appreciate it

    nk (1d9030)

  102. BTW, if you are driving through New Mexico on I-40, don’t stop at the Denny’s in Gallup, or anywhere else in Gallup. 4 times more Covid there than in the average county,

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  103. If he knows what’s good for him, he’ll be on one of Putin’s personal jets, over international waters, by the time Biden is sworn in.

    Not Switzerland though — they frown on bank fraud.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  104. 2. He’s a member of a cult.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/16/2020 @ 1:32 pm

    I was raised Mormon in Utah, but rejected the faith 30 years ago. Even so, I would not characterize it as a cult. Cults come after you or tell their members to shun you if you leave them. The Mormon church does not do that. My best friend is an active Mormon. We don’t even discuss the church.

    Does the Mormon church differ in its version of Christianity? Sure, but so did Protestantism.

    norcal (a5428a)

  105. Lurker, I have said that Mitt was probably the best person nominated by a party for President since at least Reagan. It is a pity that Mitt is not spending today writing his farewell speech after two successful terms leading a reunited country.

    This may cause you to rethink, but there you have it.

    Rethink what?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  106. @106 Which planet[s] did you give up? 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  107. The GOP stepped in Mitt once years ago and the stink still hasn’t worn off.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  108. An interesting factoid: If Barret replaces RBG, she may move the court to the right, especially on abortion. But RBG herself replaced Byron White, who voted against Roe and abortion at every opportunity.

    Maybe the GOP should start calling it “Whizzer White’s seat”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  109. @108 All of them. :)

    norcal (a5428a)

  110. Only a moronic rino would be called pierre delecto.

    mg (8cbc69)

  111. When never trumpers dud joe quits the race before Nov.3 does the ignorant kamalala ding dong get the early votes?

    mg (8cbc69)

  112. mg (8cbc69) — 10/17/2020 @ 3:20 am

    Only a moron would call themselves pierre delecto.

    FIFY

    frosty (f27e97)

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