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10/15/2020

Open Thread: Trump and Biden Dueling Town Halls

Filed under: General — Dana @ 4:53 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Here we go!

About the dueling town halls:

They were scheduled after the Commission on Presidential Debates canceled Thursday night’s planned town hall-style debate between Biden and Trump in the wake of Trump’s coronavirus diagnosis. The commission sought to shift that debate to a virtual format; Trump rejected the change.

In this corner, Donald “Glow” Trump on NBC!

In the opposite corner, Jumpin’ Joe Biden on ABC!

Have your adult beverage of choice ready, because if you’re watching either of these town halls or especially if you’re bouncing between the two, you’ll need it! Maybe even make it a double.

–Dana

196 Responses to “Open Thread: Trump and Biden Dueling Town Halls”

  1. I think I hear my closet calling me to get it organized…

    Dana (292df6)

  2. I’m tempted to watch Trump, because it’ll feel so good when it ends.

    Dave (1bb933)

  3. @2. I’m taping Biden… in case he collapses live on camera.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  4. @1. ROFLMAOPIP

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  5. I’m going to be watching Biden. Based on current campaigning strategy Trump is not going to say anything useful. I don’t need to watch him bloviate.

    Nic (896fdf)

  6. Channel flip– who is George Woodward and why is Biden sitting down in an easy chair?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. Trump looks strong; confident. Biden appears befuddled; leaning back.. slurring words. Show America your brain surgery scars, Joe.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  8. Joe has poor mk-up–or too much cosmetic surgery. Looks like The Joker. Nicholson, DC Comics and Warner Bros., should sue.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. “You can’t enforce measles.’

    O.M.G.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  10. Byron York
    @ByronYork

    NBC actors, producers protest network’s decision to air Trump town hall tonight at same time as Biden’s on ABC. They want you to know that, ‘This is not a partisan issue. This is about the political health of our democracy.’ OK.
    __ _

    Ron Wikso
    @ronwikso
    ·
    So none of them have DVRs? Or YouTube? Or Google? Or any form of social media where there will almost certainly be links to where they can watch both shows afterwards?

    What century are they living in?
    __ _

    Cathy
    @Cathyblue
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    Hulu let’s me record anything in the cloud. Maybe somebody should share all this new, exciting technology with employees of NBC. Or send them a VHS player, if 21st Century technology escapes them.
    __ _

    Mark
    @TwinRoots28
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    So wait, they’re *okay* with us deciding who becomes President, but we can’t decide for ourselves which channel to watch?

    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  11. The heck with the basement, under his makeup Biden looks like he’s had a bit too much sun.

    q.1 covid. The answer is one we’ve heard before about what he would’ve done and how Trump failed and what he’d do in the future. Stephanopolous asked a couple of follow-up questions that were Biden handled reasonably. The person who asked the question (dem) seemed satisfied.

    2. Covid again, questioner is an R. Would you take a vaccine and mandate it? Biden is doing a good job at connecting with the questioner. He’d take it, whether or not he tried to get it mandated by the states depends, but if it’s a good vaccine, he’d push for the states to do so. Also talks about the influence of the bully pulpit.

    3. Tax question. Questioner is a Republican for Trump. How will you reduce my taxes if you roll back the Trump tax cuts. Corporate taxes back to 28% and taxes 400,000. Stephopolous follows up with is it wise to raise anyone’s taxes. Biden refers to an independent analysis of his tax plan saying it will make things better, grow the economy, talks about the extra money various really rich people made during the epidemic. Morphs to green job plan and made in America, trade. Says he’s not into executive orders, would rather get the votes. He does a good job connecting with the questioner on this one too.

    So far. Looks OK, but obviously an old man. Delivery is a little rough, but so far has commands of the topics. Tone goes back and forth between definitive and “please understand what I’m talking about here.”

    Nic (896fdf)

  12. @8 Nope, just a sunburn under foundation. They should’ve used better color correction or a foundation with better coverage.

    Nic (896fdf)

  13. I think I hear my closet calling me to get it organized…

    My recycling container needs cleaning.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  14. I want to remind everyone that the AVERAGE IQ is 100. Fully 48% of American adults have IQs between 70 and 100. 68% have IQs between 85 and 115. Trump is well aware of these facts. Nuance is not a winning strategy.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  15. @8 Nope, just a sunburn under foundation. They should’ve used better color correction or a foundation with better coverage.

    Nic (896fdf) — 10/15/2020 @ 5:24 pm

    Oh, I didn’t realize we were going to talk about make-up! One of my favorite subjects. Yay!

    Dana (292df6)

  16. Read this, better. Trust me it will be better.

    No, it won’t be on the test.

    If you like it, scroll to the top and read the whole collection.

    nk (1d9030)

  17. @8. He’s been nip-tucked.

    BTW, notice JoeyBee’s wristwatch– that ain’t no cheap-o-man-of-the-people $10-Timex from a Scranton Walgreen’s.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  18. @15. There’s lots of ways to cover those brain-surgery scars. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. Any questions about Hunter yet?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  20. Covid relief: Trump wants a deal; Nancy doesn’t want checks going out w/Trump’s name on them before the election. Points to Trump on that one.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  21. brain-surgery scars.

    Mine are two-and-a-half months shy of nine years old, and they have already smoothed out considerably. Even the bone.

    nk (1d9030)

  22. Trump lies and says he doesn’t remember whether he was tested before the first debate.

    He also lies and says he doesn’t remember when his last negative test before the positive one was.

    They should ask if he agrees to have his doctor release that information and watch him flail.

    Dave (1bb933)

  23. @12.Sunburn????? In a basement bunker???

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  24. “Cops are like school teachers now.”

    O.M.G.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  25. 4. Progressive democrat (youngish African American). Questioner is not impressed. Why should liberals bother for you when you are some moderate unimpressive dude and the system sucks. What can you do to convince me. Talks about making the criminal justice system and generational wealth gaps. Education (title 1), universal preschool, dropout rates, mental health in schools. HBCUs. Home ownerships, first term home buyers. Government money and venture captial for AA entrepreneurs. Questioner was not impressed at all until Biden talked a little bit about social justice and financial inequality. He wanted a social justice answer and Joe gave him a practical process answer.

    5. R who had voted for Trump last time. Older white lady. Talk about the 90s crime bill. Somethings with it turned out well, some things turned out not to have been beneficial. Talked about support by black mayors, treatment instead of jail for drugs. Said the fed part of the bill was OK, but the state level screwed up tapdance tapdance. Lady is not super happy with him, I can’t tell if it’s because she wanted to here something different or because it was a gotcha and he didn’t screw it up enough. Talks about law-enforcement, stephanopolous asks do you really want MORE police. Yep. Community policing works. Stephanoplous no, but really, how do you make it better. Change the training and delivery model. Social workers, community involved. Cops don’t like bad cops (Lady liked that a lot). talked about how to deal with bad cops. Talks about descalation (lady found that interesting). Crime vs. mental illness (lady liked that too).

    Nic (896fdf)

  26. Trump is already getting hostile with the questioner, calling her “cute”.

    Dave (1bb933)

  27. Biden is having a great night. GS has pushed back reasonably and JB parried well and easily. He sounds presidential and in command of facts.

    The public questioners have asked relevant questions.

    This is about as good as a Townhall format can be, given the various pressures of a presidential campaign and the limitations of network TV.

    He is the clear winner when it comes to who more benefitted from the cancellation of the joint appearance.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  28. @21. You’re not driving a school bus, piloting a 767… or running for President.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. @27. That’s no town hall– it’s an exercise in asking Santa what you want for Christmas.

    Trump is actually doing a town hall– with PEOPLE around him.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. I’d probably fail the baton-twirling part in the Miss Illinois Pageant, too.

    nk (1d9030)

  31. 45 minutes- no questions about Hunter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. @15 Just a little. 😛 Sorry

    @17 I wear an ESQ on an educator salary. Some people like a nice watch. 😛

    @19 Nope, not yet.

    @23 Apparently the basement might be a bit of an exaggeration.

    @24 No, it was a good answer about how people are required to have far wider knowledge than they should need to do their job.

    Nic (896fdf)

  33. @27 DCSCA – From what I am reading, the NBC deal is an inquisition and not a town hall.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  34. ‘She [ACB] didn’t really answer any questions at all’ -Joe Biden

    Biden said he taught Constitutional law for 21 years???

    O.M.G.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. Biden nailed on not answering Packo Court.

    ‘I’m not a fan but it depends on how this turns out and how it’s handled.’

    O. M.G. Swamp Talk.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. Trump refuses to denounce QAnon, OR defend retweeting their conspiracy theory about Seal Team Six:

    In a heated exchange with NBC News’ Savannah Guthrie during Thursday night’s town hall, President Trump once again refused to denounce the QAnon conspiracy theory.

    Guthrie asked Trump if he could state that the conspiracy — centered around the belief Democrats run a satanic pedophile ring and that Trump is an anti-pedophilic savior — was not true.

    Trump responded, “I know nothing about QAnon.”

    “I just told you,” Guthrie said.

    Trump fired back, saying, “What you tell me doesn’t necessarily make it fact.”

    The President claimed that all he knows about the conspiracy theory movement, which has had a prevalent presence at his campaign rallies, is that “they are very much against pedophelia” and that he agrees with that sentiment.

    The President also tried to separate himself from his recent retweet of a conspiracy theory from an account linked to QAnon, which baselessly claimed that former Vice President Joe Biden orchestrated to have Seal Team Six killed to cover up the fake death of Osama bin Laden.

    “I know nothing about it,” Trump claimed. “That was a retweet — that was an opinion of somebody. And that was a retweet. I’ll put it out there. People can decide for themselves.”

    But Guthrie responded, “I don’t get that. You’re the President. You’re not like someone’s crazy uncle who can retweet whatever.”

    LOL

    Dave (1bb933)

  37. “I’m open to considering what happens from that point on.” JB

    The “point on” being the disposition of the Barrett nomination.

    George McClellan would approve. JFK is cringing somewhere.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  38. Will Trump ask for Steve Scully to take over before the night is done?

    Dave (1bb933)

  39. This is a great demonstration of something I have been discussing with my sons. Most people in this country inexplicably believe in “good” versus “bad.” Just look at the MSM.

    The truth is that our choices are “crappy” and “slightly less crappy.”

    I would love love love to hear cheerleaders admit this, instead of carrying on about angels and demons.

    I don’t know how the heck we can get proper leaders in this nation. I doubt that the MSM will let us.

    My head hurts.

    Simon Jester (545ea7)

  40. 6. (missed the political affiliation, white dude. Gay?) Supreme court question. ACB, changing the way the appointments happen, court packing? Technically this is fine by constitution, but Biden thinks it doesn’t follow the spirit (this is a tapdance). Stephanoplous: Court packing? IDK, lets talk about now, but it hasn’t really been my thing and it would just cause escalation. Steph: So not a fan? Nope, not a fan. Steph: process question, do you want to expand. Biden hopes the process is fair but isn’t going to be 100% definite while he watches the process, he’ll tell us at some point before the election (probably waiting to see what the public thinks about the process).

    7. Disaffected Republican, doesn’t plan to vote for Trump (older middle aged white dude). Dad was in gov. Biden has met dad. Middle-aged/older white dude. Do you plan to escalate things if you are pres? You have to be willing to work with everyone and not go around insulting people. Direct commmunication even with people who disagree with you. Trump is vindictive and sucks. Biden talks about cancer bill he worked on with Rs (questioner liked most of this a lot). Steph: Political accountability for the last admin? Biden, DOJ should be independent.

    Nic (896fdf)

  41. An hour in–no questions on Hunter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. @39. In television it’s called the least objectional program.

    Bewitched, I Dream of Jeannie… or Gunsmoke.

    Choose.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  43. Trump: I haven’t released my tax returns because the IRS was mean to me:

    “I’m treated very badly by the IRS. They treat me very, very badly. You have people in there from previous administrations. They treat me very badly. But we’re under audit. It’s very routine in many ways. But we’re under audit. They like to change the game, change the rules, do everything,” Trump said at NBC’s town hall.

    Dave (1bb933)

  44. Final Q from the son of Reagan’s Transportation Secretary infuriated me.

    He wanted to know how Biden would not hold grudges and would lead in unity.

    That tool askes the man who came up with the Logan Act to help launch what amounted to a soft coup against the duly elected president?!

    Shameful.

    But, the bottom line, again, is that Biden spoke presidentially and was fully coherent. Reassuring, even.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  45. “I do not propose banning fracking.” – Joe Biden

    That. Is. A. LIE.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  46. Trump, just making sh*t up:

    “Just the other day, they came out with a statement that 85% of the people that wear masks catch it,” Trump said.

    LOLWUT

    Dave (1bb933)

  47. @44. That’s absurd. The Biden is literally sitting on a stage getting asked one question at a time from one person in the room– like a kid telling Santa what he wans for Christmas.

    Trump had a actual town hall.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  48. Still no question about Hunter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  49. He’s on something.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  50. Alice Stewart
    @alicetweet

    VP Biden admits it was a mistake to support the Crime Bill.
    __ _

    World’sGreatestGrandma
    @chonmage
    ·
    Didn’t he write the bill?
    _ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
    ·
    Support it? It was his signature piece of legislation. He sponsored it. That seems like kind of a big deal.
    __

    “Hot shot” programmer.
    @theTrumpSpring
    ·
    Biden said he was going to get rid of fracking, until it wasn’t a popular position. Biden said he supported the Green New Deal until it wasn’t a popular position. I’m seeing a pattern.

    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  51. 8. Older black lady, says R, but has been swing voter. Fracking sucks, what will you do? Green jobs in SW Penn? Isn’t going to ban fracking but will regulate it. Renewals are cheap and growing jobs. Cap abandoned wells jobs. Carbon capture for net zero emissions while using fossil fuels. Green energy is jobs. Energy infrastructure. Weather proofing jobs. Stephanopolous: But this dude said we need fracking. Thoughts? Biden I am not going to answer the question, I’m going to talk about oil subsidies. Stephanopolous: Green new deal? Biden, their goals aren’t practical, we can do better, but they weren’t realistic. Heres how I want to make things better, but fossil fuels will not be gone by 2030. General envi. chatter. gas mileage needs to be better. Jobs jobs. Questioner liked some of it, didn’t like others, was clearly trying very hard for face-neutral, so only small expression changes.

    Nic (896fdf)

  52. @30. Biden would hug you; Trump might ask you for your number.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  53. Sure enough, Luntz’ focus group says that the more DJT speaks, the worse he looks.

    Biden won this night.

    Perception is all. Biden got asway with outrageous lies and enjoyed a genial host. DJT was in a hostile zone and forced to confront lies about himself.

    He was a damn fool to seek, or agree to, this appearance.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  54. @51. He’s pure double-talking swamp. And sits in a chair exactly like my grandfather did not long before he died.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. “But, the bottom line, again, is that Biden spoke presidentially and was fully coherent. Reassuring, even.“
    __

    Especially the part about shooting people in the leg.

    Wonder if he’ll repeat the one about firing a shotgun through a closed door to scare off supposed prowlers.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  56. Frank reynolds is going capoiera in the ether.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  57. Hey Joe, my grandfather was from Pennsylvania, too. And lived there all his life — not leave 67 years ago.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  58. Thats the only newscaster i remember from that era.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  59. Maybe it his way of quitting without quitting…and dont think for a second NBC wouldn’t have Apprentice all dusted off and waiting for him or whichever kid wanted to host.

    urbanleftbehind (a91618)

  60. 53. Wait for the ratings.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  61. It will take several days before we find out “undecided” questioners are really D’s, and the R’s were picked by the same sort of R’s on the debate commission that Scully took for a ride.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  62. Sam Donaldson would have torn Biden apart.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  63. DJT was in a hostile zone and forced to confront lies about himself.

    He was a damn fool to seek, or agree to, this appearance.

    If he wilts when faced by follow-up questions (gasp!) by some reporter chick, how can he deal with Putin, Xi and Kim?

    Dave (1bb933)

  64. He keeps slurring his words. What is he on.

    On no- Beau! Yet still no questions about Hunter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  65. DJT did a real town hall. Biden is playing Santa Claus.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  66. 9. Conservative 2016 Trump voter. Trump does these good things with foreign policy, do you want to say good things about that? Nope. The overall picture sucks. Israel deal was good, but the overall pic sucks. The world thinks other countries are better world leaders, not us. Nato policy has been been an issue. Trump loves dictators. No coherent plan for foreign policy. Goes off into political theory re being a good example. Foreign policy should focus on status of country not president.

    10. Youngish woman. Immigrant. Transgender question. Eliminate Trumps sucky exec orders. Story about dad accepting gay people. Not a choice. Trans black women being murdered. Should not be discrimination. Questioner really liked a lot of it. Biden shoveled a couple of random talking points into his answer pretty obviously due to really choppy transitions.

    Nic (896fdf)

  67. I’m’ so glad I’ve lived the bulk of my life when America was truly great.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  68. @60 DCSCA DJT beat HRC because the undecideds broke heavily for him in the last two weeks. I believe it was because HRC really was incredibly unattractive in several regards. Trump is rightly on a jihad now with the Deep State running out the clock on Russiagate, the debate commission, and the proof that Biden himself benefited directly from his son’s deals.

    What did the Luntz’ squishes walk away with? A negative reaction to Trump’s righteous heat and a positive reaction to the gentile Biden.

    If the Dems do not overplay their hand on ACB, I just do not see DJT mustering enough support to overcome the current deficits in support nor the all-but-guaranteed ballot counting fiascos and corruptions.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  69. I’m’ so glad I’ve lived the bulk of my life when America was truly great.

    Reaganomics.

    Dave (1bb933)

  70. Joe just told us his plan:

    Those who can, do; those who can’t: teach.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  71. 11. Dem, middle aged black dude. If you lose, will to continue advocate for these issues in the public eye or just go away? I’m going to teach and run my institute. Story about how he didn’t know anything about race and then learned. Humble about race knowledge in the past (questioner liked that), but doing better now. Talked about the importance of diversity, unity (questioner like the answer a lot.) Stephanopolous but if you lose, doesn’t it mean the country sucks? Biden- could be a bad candidate, but hopes it doesn’t mean people want to be divided. I really want to unify people. Be president for all American.

    Nic (896fdf)

  72. @69. I’m afraid the spiral down began much earlier,after 7-20-1969, Davey… Reaganomics simply accelerated the crash and burn–on a credit card.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. Still no questions about Hunter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  74. Bet you’ve been taking a lot things besides tests, Joey.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. still no question about ivanka’s pole-dancing tour with the nba in xinjiang, mr. Dave?

    nk (1d9030)

  76. He could barely stand up.

    So sad.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  77. oops, sorry, not a pole-dancing tour

    what was i thinking?

    for crying out loud

    ivanka brand shoes made by slave labor in xinjiang is what i meant

    nk (1d9030)

  78. So how come our low-energy president only lasted 60 minutes, while doesn’t-know-he’s-alive Biden is still going strong after 90?

    Is Trump too worn out from getting sick?

    Just couldn’t bear to miss Hannity tonight?

    Dave (1bb933)

  79. Stephanopoulos knows more than half the audience is unaware he’s been a D hack all his life.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  80. Prediction stands: Trump squeak out a win by 3 points or a President Harris within 24 months.

    Biden is irrelevant; in just 35 days, Joe Biden will turn 78 years old.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  81. Wrap up. Stephanopolous. Next debate? Is it happening? Testing? Yep testing, Trump sucks, I make sure my tests are good because I care about the people around me. I think Trump will test too, but commission will decide. I’ll happily show up for anything and follow the commission’s rules.

    My summary: Questions covered a wide range of topics. A lot of the answers were the basic campaign answers, some were more spontaneous. Answers carried a lot of information. The delivery itself was slightly better than mediocre, but very focused on being personally oriented to the questioner, which was a good look. His topical focus was practical answers and jobs, which was frustrating for some of the questioners and stephanopolous who wanted more theory answers and his were practical instead. Stephanopolous wanted to talk more about Trump (fight!fight!), but Biden mostly stayed away from that. He was mostly talking directly to moderate voters and possible swing Rs.

    I think this was a net positive for Biden. He didn’t look bad, good physical shape, he was focused and topical and kept to his plan for the evening despite some pushes in other directions. He talked to his intended audience, but didn’t leave his other voters wanting. There were negatives in some tip-of-the-tongue issues and delivery problems, but nothing that was a game changer. So, I would say that he might have gained some votes and didn’t lose any.

    Nic (896fdf)

  82. Yes, I also think either Trump or Biden will win this election.

    nk (1d9030)

  83. @82. Keep your eye on the ball, nk; it’s a win/win: the objective is to neuter the modern ideological conservative movement.

    Can’t lose. :-)

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  84. He didn’t look bad, good physical shape

    ROFLMAO Until he tried to stand up and do the old man shuffle.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. @84 He moved a lot during the townhall, even though he didn’t have to and he was still standing and talking to people long after it was over.

    Nic (896fdf)

  86. Missed both and don’t miss that I missed both. Glad I had something more productive and enjoyable to do because the comments here make it sound like both candidates sucked.

    Hoi Polloi (92d467)

  87. Biden nailed on not answering Packo Court.

    ‘I’m not a fan but it depends on how this turns out and how it’s handled.’

    O. M.G. Swamp Talk.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/15/2020 @ 5:48 pm

    That is a very troubling quote from Biden. How it turns out? How it’s handled? Either ACB is confirmed or she isn’t. So, if she’s not confirmed, Biden won’t pack the court. If she is confirmed, he will. How can this be interpreted any other way?

    Biden is not getting my vote. It’s not just the court issue, either. He will make government more authoritarian. It’s just his nature.

    My only decision is whether to vote for Trump or a third party candidate.

    norcal (a5428a)

  88. “To get to the meat of the matter, I will come right to the point, and take note of the fact that the heart of the issue in the final analysis escapes me.”

    nk (1d9030)

  89. @87 It was definitely a weasel answer, but not in the direction you think it was. He’s not going to pack the court. The bit about ACB was that as long as they use regular process he’s fine with it, whether she is or is not confirmed. They are using regular process.

    Nic (896fdf)

  90. @89. Is a weasel a Swamp Creature? 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. So, if she’s not confirmed, Biden won’t pack the court. If she is confirmed, he will. How can this be interpreted any other way?

    By not attributing words to Biden that he didn’t say?

    He specifically said the issue is not whether Barrett is confirmed, but whether it is rushed through without what he considers adequate debate.

    He also explains that adding justices starts a cycle of instability from which there would be no escape. And he mentions unspecified reforms to lifetime appointments that could be possible.

    Here’s the full exchange.

    Dave (1bb933)

  92. @85. Shifting in a chair: old people do that when they break wind- or the Depends rides up.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  93. @91.What he said was manure. He mentioned manure several times this evening, too– in Philadelphia no less– just an hour tractor ride from Bunker Biden in Wilmington.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  94. @92 For once, you may know what you’re talking about!

    Dave (1bb933)

  95. @90 I think more deciduous forest.

    @92 I wouldn’t know. But what I was talking about was getting out of the chair and walking on the stage/platform.

    Nic (896fdf)

  96. Tom Nichols
    @RadioFreeTom

    Journalists, if you don’t find out who that woman is nodding behind Trump at an “undecided” voter town hall, then I don’t know what you’re getting paid for
    __ _

    Boomieleaks
    @Boomieleaks
    ·
    NBC said at the start of the town hall that the audience is like America: some are for Trump, some are for Biden, and some are undecided.
    _ _

    EMM
    @emmemm77
    ·
    Doxing a black women for daring to think differently

    Just like any good overseer would do
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  97. Biden again suggesting police officers, faced with an armed dangerous criminal, should shoot him in the arm or leg could be the dumbest words ever uttered by any presidential candidate. He ahs said so several times.

    Bugg (ebf485)

  98. @94. Yes, indeed- spent time tending to an elderly soul no gone and recognize the pattern.
    A vote for Biden is a vote for President Harris– 24 months or less.
    ____

    @95. He could barely stand up and do the old man shuffle. Incredibly frail.

    Honestly, it is sad to view. America can do better than both these guys. These major parties have done more damage to America in 40 years than the old Soviets, the new China and any retired, living Nazis in Argentina could have dreamed.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  99. Whereas Trump in recent days has been touting extrajudicial execution of suspects by law enforcement as a necessary form of “retribution”.

    Dave (1bb933)

  100. @98 Yes, both of these men are old guys who should be retired and enjoying their lives, but they haven’t chosen that. Apparently American can’t do better, otherwise we would’ve.

    Nic (896fdf)

  101. @100. What makes you believe Americans have any say or control over the two major parties; fewer an fewer actually belong to them and they’ve spent decades rigging the election system in their favor.

    The Brits do this better. You lose you’re gone. You’re too old, you’re out.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  102. Incredibly frail.

    Meanwhile, back in reality, Trump slunk off the stage with his tail between his legs after 60 minutes, while Biden stayed long after the end of his 90-minute event to answer more questions from the voters.

    Sad to see the older Biden run circles around our germ-infested, low-energy president.

    Dave (1bb933)

  103. He specifically said the issue is not whether Barrett is confirmed, but whether it is rushed through without what he considers adequate debate.

    The key phrase here is “what he considers adequate debate”. That’s a gaping loophole. In other words, unless the grandstanding in the Senate continues until the election, Biden will consider that ample reason to pack the court. If the debate continues until after the election, Biden’s argument will no longer be “adequate debate”, but rather “the people have spoken”, and if ACB is confirmed anyway, it will also be court-packing time! I call bullsh!t.

    I watched the exchange, and I am not reassured.

    norcal (a5428a)

  104. I’m watching the Braves. If I am going to get high blood pressure, I would rather get it by doing something fun.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  105. @103 The time-frame Biden specifically gave as an example of what he would consider inadequate debate was “one day”.

    His answer also assumed that Barrett would be confirmed before Election Day, because he said he would explain his position clearly by then.

    Dave (1bb933)

  106. Sad to see the older Biden run circles around our germ-infested, low-energy president.

    Meanwhile, ‘back in reality’- the only circles associated w/Plagiarist JoeyBee are the half dozen painted on the floor of his pressers. And they don’t run once the paint is dry. As for JoeyBee, the shuffleboard foxtrot is more his speed.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  107. White House was warned Giuliani was target of Russian intelligence operation to feed misinformation to Trump

    U.S. intelligence agencies warned the White House last year that President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani was the target of an influence operation by Russian intelligence, according to four former officials familiar with the matter.

    The warnings were based on multiple sources, including intercepted communications, that showed Giuliani was interacting with people tied to Russian intelligence during a December 2019 trip to Ukraine, where he was gathering information that he thought would expose corrupt acts by former vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

    The intelligence raised concerns that Giuliani was being used to feed Russian misinformation to the president, the former officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information and conversations.

    The warnings to the White House, which have not been previously reported, led national security adviser Robert O’Brien to caution Trump in a private conversation that any information Giuliani brought back from Ukraine should be considered contaminated by Russia, one of the former officials said.

    Dave (1bb933)

  108. @103. It was… ‘Swamp Gas.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  109. U.S. intelligence agencies warned the White House last year that President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani was the target of an influence operation by Russian intelligence, according to four former officials familiar with the matter

    They warned of WMD, too. If only they’d warned a certain WH of terra-ists using planes to attack buildings… eh, Condi?

    Oh. Wait.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  110. Trump Journalism, 2020:

    “It’s unlikely he’ll win, but it’s possible he will.” – Bob Woodward, MSNBC interview, 10/15/2020

    Duh.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  111. Only the first two paragraphs are new, but they’re checking it out.

    WASHINGTON — Federal investigators are examining whether the emails allegedly describing activities by Joe Biden and his son Hunter and found on a laptop at a Delaware repair shop are linked to a foreign intelligence operation, two people familiar with the matter told NBC News.

    The FBI seized the laptop and a hard drive through a grand jury subpoena. The subpoena was later published by the New York Post. The bureau has declined to comment.

    Some dude found a blind computer guy to drop off laptops.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  112. Jennifer Bendery
    @jbendery

    Just asked a Dem senator about Demand Justice’s call for Dianne Feinstein to step down as ranking Dem on the Judiciary Committee after her handling of Barrett’s hearing.

    “It’s very hard to watch a colleague in decline. That this is occurring publicly is even harder.”
    __ _

    Clint Waller
    @cwaller24
    ·
    Wait till the Senator finds out their nominee thinks he’s running for the Senate.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  113. The Russkies dood it’ is having a longer run than A Chorus Line.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  114. Maybe cats as competition.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  115. Some dude found a blind computer guy to drop off laptops

    Nothng to see here? Some dudes broke into the DNC at the Watergate to bug the place.

    It ends w/t burglars.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  116. Sometimes I just really, really wish JD was around to not threaten to throw a rock at someone.

    Leviticus (84e45e)

  117. Who do you he’d side with

    https://mobile.twitter.com/proteinwisdom/status/1316853337820626948

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  118. Projection alert: Mark Levin attacks Biden family mob. I can’t even.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  119. Biden stayed long after the end of his 90-minute event to answer more questions from the voters.

    He musta been talking pretty much to himself as there was like nobody in the hall; old people do that.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  120. norcal (a5428a) — 10/15/2020 @ 7:08 pm

    My only decision is whether to vote for Trump or a third party candidate.

    I’m considering writting in Kanye. His latest ad is good.

    frosty (f27e97)

  121. Dont know where he would get a crazy notion like that

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/15/hunter-biden-demanded-chinese-billionaire-pay-10-m/

    Bohai capital had ties to chinese aerospace, spies trading nuclear technology

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  122. A word on herd immunity, which is what Dr. Atlas has been backdoor pushing and Trump has been tacitly endorsing:

    Coronaviruses in general tend not to provoke lasting immunity (years), and SARS-CoV-2 may be no different. One recent study published in The Lancet, for example, found that, if you standardize to the general US population, about 9.3% of people have antibodies to SARS-CoV-2. There were regional differences that follow the density of COVID cases, with the highest regional percentage being about 25% in the Northeast (and about 35% in NY state). This number is about 10 times the number of confirmed COVID cases, so many people are being exposed to the virus without ever being diagnosed (whether or not they develop symptoms).
    This number is low compared to what is needed for herd immunity, which varies from 50-90% depending on the virus. Even for the low end of the spectrum, we would need five times as many people exposed as we have now. That would probably mean about 1 million Americans dead just to reach the low end of the herd immunity range. That number could easily have to double, as COVID is highly contagious.

    Since June 1st, 113,000 Americans have died and Trump is responsible for most of them. He is guilty of mass negligent homicide. If Trump is elected and goes along with Dr. Atlas, he’ll be responsible for over 1 million dead Americans. But hey, it’s not as bad as Pol Pot and the dead Americans are probably losers anyway, unable to survive the flu that he came through with flying colors.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  123. I saw good chunks of both townhalls. They were both pretty good performance-wise. Biden connected with the questioners and gave decent answers, not that I agreed with a lot of the answers.
    Trump wasn’t bad, but a lot was repetition and talking-out-of-a$$. He dodged questions about when he was tested, among other things.
    For those who won’t vote until after 10/22, the next debate will be significant.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  124. president donald may be onto something mr paul since dead people definitely have immunity

    that seems like a real game changer

    Dave (1bb933)

  125. Trump administration rejects California’s disaster assistance request for wildfires

    The Trump administration has rejected California’s request for a disaster declaration for six destructive wildfires that burned hundreds of thousands of acres across the state, including a massive central California wildfire that has become the single largest in state history.

    “The request for a Major Presidential Disaster Declaration for early September fires has been denied by the federal administration,” Brian Ferguson, a spokesperson for the Governor’s Office of Emergency Services, confirmed to CNN. The state plans to appeal the decision.

    I’d be lying if I said this surprises me.

    Dave (1bb933)

  126. The key phrase here is “what he considers adequate debate”. That’s a gaping loophole. In other words, unless the grandstanding in the Senate continues until the election, Biden will consider that ample reason to pack the court. If the debate continues until after the election, Biden’s argument will no longer be “adequate debate”, but rather “the people have spoken”, and if ACB is confirmed anyway, it will also be court-packing time! I call bullsh!t.

    What, you mean that terms are fluid as is convenient for the moment? They would never do that, would they?

    That would be like a term about same-sex attraction being perfectly acceptable only a month ago, even used by the Democratic candidate for president, and then suddenly being highly offensive when the Republican nominee for a SCOTUS seat uses it in a nomination hearing. No one would play such transparent, bad-faith games, would they?

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  127. This just in – Bondo Bill Barr has been blowing Andy Weissman. Has a worse a.g. ever represented America?

    mg (8cbc69)

  128. @BL :)

    norcal (a5428a)

  129. This claptrap is what you wanted

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/1316900309675986944

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  130. 111-Occam’s Razor gives us two possibilities to consider. Meth head Hunter Biden left the MacBook at the computer shop and never paid such the unit was abandoned, or this is an elaborate Russian KGB operation. Which is simpler and makes more sense? Did the KGB force Hunter Biden to drop his MacBook off at this shop? Is there any proof the owner of the shop is an intelligence operative or cutout?Nobody has suggested the docs on the unit are fake. As the Dem presidential candidate might say, C’MON, MAN.

    Bugg (ebf485)

  131. Nic, Thank you for the summaries. Based on the ones I saw I think your take is very correct and I appreciate you putting it up.

    My overall Take

    Biden is smart, knows a lot about how the government runs, isn’t very quick on his feet anymore, and either cares about people, or is able to fake it extremely well.

    Trump is passionate, obsessed with himself, and uninterested in factual accuracy.

    This changed no ones mind, which makes it a loss for Trump.

    Time123 (306531)

  132. The key phrase here is “what he considers adequate debate”. That’s a gaping loophole. In other words, unless the grandstanding in the Senate continues until the election, Biden will consider that ample reason to pack the court. If the debate continues until after the election, Biden’s argument will no longer be “adequate debate”, but rather “the people have spoken”, and if ACB is confirmed anyway, it will also be court-packing time! I call bullsh!t.

    What, you mean that terms are fluid as is convenient for the moment? They would never do that, would they?

    That would be like a term about same-sex attraction being perfectly acceptable only a month ago, even used by the Democratic candidate for president, and then suddenly being highly offensive when the Republican nominee for a SCOTUS seat uses it in a nomination hearing. No one would play such transparent, bad-faith games, would they?

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 10/16/2020 @ 2:19 am

    It’s for sure subject. But it kind of has to be.

    Time123 (306531)

  133. Trump had a Dominican dominatrix doing the modern version of the Good Times alright! finger popping on cue, plus an age-appropriate prospect for #4 – stacked deck my heinie.

    urbanleftbehind (ec6e59)

  134. She makes coulter seem like susan collins, i wouldnt try to intimidate her.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  135. Trump wasn’t debating Savannah Guthrie. His fight…. was with the facts.

    QAnon conspiracy theories. Incoherent mask positions. Evading tax questions and foreign loan inquiries. And his pro-life position was a political abortion.

    noel (9fead1)

  136. She used to be on a latino cable show ‘the crazy ones’ like msnbc on double expresso as a voice of reason heh.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  137. Yesterday, I heard a Trump supporter bring up the “85% of covid patients were wearing masks” assertion. I thought… well, I suppose about 85% of people wear masks somewhere, sometime. There you have it!

    Trump’s double-blind scientific proof.

    noel (9fead1)

  138. The only useful thing I learned from the NBC town hall was that you can easily convert your toilet into a bidet. Nobody tells me anything.

    nk (1d9030)

  139. We saw this in traffic 20 years ago

    https://mobile.twitter.com/johnddavidson/status/1317100620185280515

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  140. Many confused Dems are wondering why Guthrie isn’t on their ballot.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  141. After Stephanopoulos loses his gig for being a white male, he’s got a future in infomercials.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  142. Well his wife miss wentworth is the daughter of a famous british journalist hemry brandon

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  143. Stephanopoulos didn’t ask about Hunter’s emails. Guthrie didn’t ask about the pee dossier. That’s the MSM being fair and balanced.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  144. Off topic (mostly) but just saw an excellent article:

    Blinded by Scientism

    Well worth a read. Here is an excerpt:

    Scientism is an attempt to shut down political debates. It shifts the discussion from questions of value, which are accessible to all, to questions of facts which are in the domain of the experts, thus shifting the terrain of the debate. It also hampers the evolution of expert consensus, because when science becomes a front for politics, dissenting from the party lines becomes harder even for experts. And it allows progressives to portray their opponents as ignorant. That has been a common trope of progressive politics: conservatives are the stupid party.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  145. The Hunter laptop story sounds really fishy. Don’t ask about it — cuz, I mean, who brings a laptop in and then forgets about it? Come on.

    In May 2019, Breitbart News broke the story that an Arizona police report in 2016 said Hunter Biden was suspected of doing illegal drugs in his Hertz rental. A cocaine pipe was found in the car. He also left behind personal items, such as two D.C. driver’s licenses and multiple credit cards.

    Damn Russians.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  146. I cosign this article as my own if I could:
    https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2020/11/02/trump%e2%80%88yes/

    Indeed… Just look at the alternative.

    whembly (2900b2)

  147. Damn Russians.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 10/16/2020 @ 7:31 am

    You’re seeing the carcass of a coordinated effort that a whistleblower ruined. What you deem corroboration is conspiracy. You scoff at Russian collusion like it’s some obvious sign of hysteria, as if we all don’t know.

    The attacks on the opponent of Trump’s family mean nothing to me. We all knew that was coming. Who cares.

    If Trump had planned to run on his performance, his results, maybe he would have done more for you. Instead, nasty October surprises in the muddiest waters. I’m sure there must be a grain of truth in there. That’s how it works. Who cares.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  148. BREAKING

    Biden ratings top Trump

    Biden CRUSHES Trump in the Demo

    Trump Show cancellation rumors fly

    Deezy-eska hardest hit

    Dave (1bb933)

  149. I didn’t watch either one of these town hall fiascoes. But from what I’ve read here and elsewhere, I would have to say advantage Biden. Trump only wanted a competing town hall on another network so he could claim he had higher ratings, which would be a lie like everything else he says.

    From what I’ve read, Trump refused to denounce Qanon conspiracy theories and wouldn’t say when he first tested positive for Covid-19. This surprises anyone? I think the whole thing was faked. Either he is seriously ill or it was all staged, like a bad Reality TV show.

    One doesn’t contract Covid-19, get helicoptered to Walter Reed (for the second time), take a concoction of experimental and unapproved drugs, then walk out in a week looking like Superman. Seriously? Anyone who believes that is a fool. And he did want to walk out of Walter Reed wearing a Superman t-shirt. No one can take this clown man seriously. He’s a joke. Orange turned bronze make-up all over his face (notice the lighter rings around his eyes), a bad toupee on his bald head (notice how it’s gotten more grey than blonde), this guy is a laughing stock of a man.

    Badly in debt, to the tune of over $420 million, owed to who knows who, this guy is a complete failure as a man, and as a president. Paying off prostitutes? Buying favors from rich donors? This guy is a total joke of a president, and he is a complete failure as a man.

    Everything about him is a fraud. How many of the people around him, that he brought in to his administration, have been indicted, convicted and sentenced for fraud? Practically every one of them.

    So it doesn’t matter anymore. Yeah, the Biden family has their problems, which they will have to address, but nothing like the Trump family.

    I didn’t watch these town halls, because I don’t care. I’ve already made up my mind. I’m voting against everything Trump. This will be the first election in which I didn’t support the Republican. And I’m talking about city, county, state, and federal levels here. The Republican party has lost all my confidence and support. Not that the Democratic party has gained mine, but it is a question of alternatives. I’m voting Libertarian, even though I don’t particularly care for the candidate.

    So be it.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  150. Not that the Democratic party has gained mine, but it is a question of alternatives

    It IS a question of alternatives, but the alternative the modern Democrats afford is a fairly unpalatable one. I won’t vote for Trump — and I have passed on GOP candidates before — but I believe that the best path out of this mess is a reconstituted GOP built out of the wreckage that Trump has left.

    The test of the Republicans will be how they move forward. Not necessarily a status quo ante — Trump completely blew up the old coalition that Reagan built — but some melding of the past with corrections to the flaws Trump exploited.

    So, down-ticket, I will be voting for the rank&file Republicans, preferring to see them as rational rather than Trumpian zealots (and having some confidence that the latter will lose anyway).

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  151. Trump Show cancellation rumors fly

    “NBC is the worst network! Terrible! They ought to lose their license!”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  152. Badly in debt, to the tune of over $420 million, owed to who knows who, this guy is a complete failure as a man, and as a president. Paying off prostitutes? Buying favors from rich donors? This guy is a total joke of a president, and he is a complete failure as a man.

    Dude, he bribed the Clintons to come to his wedding.

    Dave (1bb933)

  153. Trump Show cancellation rumors fly

    “We got more viewers, but their show ran longer so it got higher ratings!”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  154. Dude, he bribed the Clintons to come to his wedding.

    To be fair, you could get the Clintons to open a supermarket for the right price.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  155. om what I’ve read, Trump refused to denounce Qanon conspiracy theories and wouldn’t say when he first tested positive for Covid-19. This surprises anyone? I think the whole thing was faked. Either he is seriously ill or it was all staged, like a bad Reality TV show.

    nk called it early. If you really play it out both ways, seriously consider it, I think he faked being sick as a stunt to accomplish three things: 1) sympathetic excuse for his awful debate 2) make Trump look strong and inspiring 3) force us to consider if there is a miracle cure, regeneron.

    His doc was acting so weird, so dishonest, and they know there’s an open question they could clear up but do not.

    The tell all books next year will be amazing. Each one of them, like Bolton’s, will make us question why these folks didn’t blow the whistle properly. The couple of guys who did, the Vindmans, will hopefully get their reward.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  156. Free Beacon
    @FreeBeacon
    ·
    The same week Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett was scolded by liberals for using the term “sexual preference,”
    @JoeBiden said during an ABC town hall that being transgender is a choice.
    __ _

    David Harsanyi
    @davidharsanyi
    ·
    The NYT runs 8,500-word authoritarian pieces arguing to abolish the First Amendment. How long do we have to pretend these people are liberals?

    https://twitter.com/davidharsanyi/status/1317073011489595392?s=20

    __ _ __ _ __ _

    jack
    @jack
    ·
    Straight blocking of URLs was wrong, and we updated our policy and enforcement to fix. Our goal is to attempt to add context, and now we have capabilities to do that. twitter.com/vijaya/status/…

    Kinda like yesterday after lifting the ban you still put tags on it making it look about as safe as clicking on an .exe link? Looking forward to reading news on Twitter and being told it’s not approved thought…..
    __

    Vote for this folks if you want it 10 times worse under the Dems. The people here pushing it will just tell you it’s all Orange Man’s fault.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  157. Vote for this folks if you want it 10 times worse under the Dems. The people here pushing it will just tell you it’s all Orange Man’s fault.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9) — 10/16/2020 @ 9:12 am

    Remember, guys who tell you this will also tell you they were never ever trump supporters. Never supported him, nope.

    But if the best argument these frankly intense Trump fans have for voting Trump is some political correctness scare on twitter, some outrage theater on both sides, that is not going to win a single vote.

    Trump promised a booming economy, a wall, a balanced budget, “such great deals” between parties, and Trump was tested plenty by crisis. We know he sucks at being president. The argument ‘but Biden might be bad in ways Trump was very bad’ is not persuasive even though I think it’s probably a true point.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  158. Fake News! Trump Shares Satirical News Story from Conservative ‘Humor Site’ Babylon Bee
    President Donald Trump has long blasted “fake news” as a scourge fostered by the enemy of the people, but in an early Friday morning tweet, the commander in chief shared a satirical news story from the Babylon Bee that isn’t real.

    The story is titled “Twitter Shuts Down Entire Network To Slow Spread Of Negative Biden News” which is pegged to the roughly 90 minutes early Thursday evening in which Twitter was down……

    President Trump apparently thought the report was not funny, or at least real, as he shared it on Twitter adding “Wow, this has never been done in history. This includes his really bad interview last night. Why is Twitter doing this. Bringing more attention to Sleepy Joe & Big T.” …..
    …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  159. at least mexico gave him a big beautiful wall mr dustin

    Dave (1bb933)

  160. I sure hope Trump’s surveillance of Biden’s campaign is kicking into high gear.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  161. at least mexico gave him a big beautiful wall mr dustin

    Dave (1bb933) — 10/16/2020 @ 9:23 am

    No other candidate could promise talking them into paying for it. Trump made the best promises I’ve ever heard!

    Dustin (4237e0)

  162. I know which candidate MS-13 is behind.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  163. And since the collusion of a debate moderator scandal didn’t even warrant a mention in the Weekend Open Thread…….

    Brian Stelter
    @brianstelter

    A true WTF, what-was-he-thinking moment… causing real damage to the national news media’s reputation
    __ _

    Green Coffee
    @twosmiles5
    ·
    He is sorry for lying

    What about being sorry for being partisan?
    __ _

    Steven Crowder
    @scrowder

    He was probably thinking, “Joy Reid did this and then got her own show on MSNBC.”
    _ _

    Tyler David
    @tylerfunk14
    ·
    Big time difference between hurting news reputation and now just confirming the news reputation
    __ _

    FactualPhilemon
    @FactualPhilemon
    ·
    Brian Stelter, anchor of “Reliable Sources”.

    Hey Brian, you should ask regular guest Dan Rather ‘what-was-he-thinking?’, he might provide insight.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  164. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/16/2020 @ 9:19 am

    Remember, guys who tell you this will also tell you they were never ever trump supporters. Never supported him, nope.

    Remember, guys who tell you this believe Russiagate was real, Trump faked being sick, and are really hoping for gossip telling them what they want to hear.

    frosty (f27e97)

  165. Twitter never blocked Scully for posting false info, because they’re too busy blocking the NYPost I guess.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  166. “ Remember, guys who tell you this will also tell you they were never ever trump supporters. Never supported him, nope.”
    _ _

    How many times you going to tell this lie?

    Still not voting for him.

    Also still not making obtuse statements about how the Twitter and Facebook censorship yesterday was based on perceived upcoming election results (as our host did) without a shred of self-awareness.

    Keep lying bro, hope it makes you feel better.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  167. And once again for people who actually listen.

    I didn’t (and won’t) vote for Trump because IMO he’s unfit for office, same reason I didn’t vote for Hillary.

    The point I’m making is that you need to look at what the Dems (with only the House) and the media are doing and ask yourself how putting them in charge of the Executive Branch will make things better.

    Kinda simple but for some reason it creates enough rage for the broken to veer off the path of truth.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  168. Trump made the best promises I’ve ever heard!

    My personal favorite was when he said he could pay down the national debt in eight years by negotiating better trade deals. That’s some “only I can fix it” genius there.

    Radegunda (20775b)

  169. Twitter never blocked Scully for posting false info, because they’re too busy blocking the NYPost I guess.

    If Twitter blocked everyone for “false info”, then Trump would be gone too.

    Rip Murdock (3decd7)

  170. If Twitter blocked everyone for “false info”, then Trump would be gone too.

    Try to keep up, Rip.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-twitter-idUSKBN2702C4
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/06/facebook-removes-trump-post-falsely-comparing-coronavirus-and-the-flu.html

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  171. It’s impossible to keep up, BNP. I never feel like I fully understand these schemes, there are so many muddy theories about every single Trump whistleblower or opponent. It’s intentional and it keeps people cemented in their own biases.

    And it keeps us from asking the real questions. Which is more important: Turkey possessing American nuclear weapons, the US deficit, or the date Hunter Biden’s meth pipe was photographed?

    Dustin (4237e0)

  172. @131 you’re welcome!

    Nic (896fdf)

  173. Try to keep up, Rip.

    That’s just the one post. Basically everything Trump posts is “false info.”

    Rip Murdock (3decd7)

  174. And it keeps us from asking the real questions. Which is more important: Turkey possessing American nuclear weapons, the US deficit, or the date Hunter Biden’s meth pipe was photographed?

    Obviously, whether Trump peed on a bed in Moscow.

    We’ve been asking such important questions for four years now. Why change it up?

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  175. @161

    I sure hope Trump’s surveillance of Biden’s campaign is kicking into high gear.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 10/16/2020 @ 9:24 am

    I don’t.

    Unless there’s are REALLY REALLY good predicate.

    However, I’m sure Biden’s family (those not in the campaign) are likely under intelligence surveillance.

    whembly (2900b2)

  176. clearly, they prefer obama’s crew, that sold out to iran, that tried to ‘crucify’ electricity producers, and bankrupt the sisters of the poor,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  177. @149. Davey, those are incredibly piss-poor numbers for a prime time network and network/cable carry. ‘Course the online numbers aren’t truly in the overnights but regardless, the thumbnails should tell you– and any TeeVee exec, the mindset o/t electorate three weeks out; they’re decided and done w/both theses reruns.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  178. My only decision is whether to vote for Trump or a third party candidate.

    If that’s your choice, norcal, my advice is to vote for the only American President in history who took a hooker to court for a refund. That is a story for your grandchildren.

    nk (1d9030)

  179. 138.The only useful thing I learned from the NBC town hall was that you can easily convert your toilet into a bidet. Nobody tells me anything.

    Oh, he told you. Remember, the Rose Garden Rotor Rooter Man told us he was elected to represent the toilets of Pittsburgh, not Paris. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  180. @149. Davey, those are incredibly piss-poor numbers for a prime time network and network/cable carry. ‘Course the online numbers aren’t truly in the overnights but regardless, the thumbnails should tell you– and any TeeVee exec, the mindset o/t electorate three weeks out; they’re decided and done w/both theses reruns.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/16/2020 @ 10:44 am

    Fair enough, but I’m really interested in this subject and I had zero interest in watching. I’m surprised Trump didn’t do better, but it’s not interesting to be a crazy idiot forever. That kind of thing wears thin after a few years.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  181. @175. If only the maid had saved the sheets for a DNA test. They’re looking for Monika Lewinskikoff now. ‘Cagey-be’ those Rooskies. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  182. @181. You fit the profile. Political programming has reached saturation point. And these days w/so many platforms, colorized Gilligan’s Island and I Dream of Jeannie reruns can get draw similar numbers– [hard not to admire Dawn Wells in short-shorts or Barbara Eden in a miniskirt.] Audiences are ready to move on.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  183. Obviously, whether Trump peed on a bed in Moscow.

    Another thing only Trump fans are really talking about, though I personally believe Putin did have some kind of dirt on Trump, and it probably relates to Trump’s support of Epstein and Ghilsaine, as well as his attempt to sabotage the US Attorney involved in that case.

    The real issues I mentioned are the things you just ignored. The only possible case for Trump’s re-election has to be contained in the stuff you don’t even want to think about it bugs ya so much. All this yakkity yak about the family of his opponents and crying about what a victim the bully is are a distraction. Activists might love to roll around in whether Heidi is ugly. The voters view it as a distraction.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  184. hard not to admire Dawn Wells in short-shorts or Barbara Eden in a miniskirt

    👍

    Dustin (4237e0)

  185. However, I’m sure Biden’s family (those not in the campaign) are likely under intelligence surveillance.

    whembly (2900b2) — 10/16/2020 @ 10:31 am

    It would take very little to convince me there was a reasonable suspicion to surveil Hunter.

    Time123 (66d88c)

  186. @146. ROFLMAO Brain damage clearly runs in the family. Oh, did you hear some fellas were caught breaking in to the DNC at the Watergate? It ends w/the burglars. Nothing more to see there.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  187. Was Vindeman was a Russian plant? Cabbage or Mister Potato Head. Choose.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  188. Badly in debt, to the tune of over $420 million, owed to who knows who, this guy is a complete failure as a man, and as a president. Paying off prostitutes? Buying favors from rich donors? This guy is a total joke of a president, and he is a complete failure as a man.

    Reaganomics.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  189. That is a story for your grandchildren.

    Nobody will admit to their grandchildren that they voted for Donald Trump.

    Dave (1bb933)

  190. Speaking of choices on sitcoms, Janet would be the preference over Chrissy in 2020 America, due to demographics and a certain nouveau riche brunette family photo bombing all media.

    urbanleftbehind (42dcc3)

  191. O.M.G.

    Biden in Michigan emoting about Beau.

    Folks, here’s the deal: this guy is seriously, emotionally injured and brain damaged. He’s not far from weeping in public, as old people do.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  192. 20. Dave (1bb933) — 10/15/2020 @ 5:37 pm

    Trump lies and says he doesn’t remember whether he was tested before the first debate.

    You would think that, even if he didn’t remember it at the time, the White House doctors kept records, and he would know by now.

    Savannah Guthrie I think suggested that maybe he had violated ther rules for the first debate by not testing on the same day.

    He also lies and says he doesn’t remember when his last negative test before the positive one was.

    That’s the same thing. All tests before October 1 were negative. Trump did say it wasn’t every day that he was tested.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  193. 20. DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/15/2020 @ 5:36 pm

    Covid relief: Trump wants a deal; Nancy doesn’t want checks going out w/Trump’s name on them before the election. Points to Trump on that one.

    No, Nancy wants something included that won;t stand the light of day. It’s probably not even money for state and local governments – if she thinks Biden would win, and the Senate turn Democratic, she could get that in three or four months and if Biden doesn’t win, how is she better off by not giving people economic help?

    Now the Senate Republicans also want liability protection for businesses from lawsuits alleging they gave people Covid and without that there;s probably not the votes for anything but a small stimulus right now.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  194. ‘I’m not a fan but it depends on how this turns out and how it’s handled.’

    That sounds like he’s saying he’s for adding seats to the court if Barrett is confirmed.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  195. My only decision is whether to vote for Trump or a third party candidate.

    If that’s your choice, norcal, my advice is to vote for the only American President in history who took a hooker to court for a refund. That is a story for your grandchildren.

    nk (1d9030) — 10/16/2020 @ 10:45 am

    Doesn’t one need children before one can have grandchildren? :)

    norcal (a5428a)

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