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10/13/2020

Mitt Romney Wants Everyone To ‘Lower the Heat’

Filed under: General — Dana @ 7:01 pm



[guest post by Dana]

A decent and reasonable man opens the floodgates:

I have stayed quiet with the approach of the election. But I’m troubled by our politics, as it has moved away from spirited debate to a vile, vituperative, hate-filled morass that is unbecoming of any free nation – let alone the birthplace of modern democracy. The President calls the Democratic Vice-Presidential candidate “a monster;” he repeatedly labels the Speaker of the House “crazy;” he calls for the Justice Department to put the prior president in jail; he attacks the governor of Michigan on the very day a plot is discovered to kidnap her. Democrats launch blistering attacks of their own – though their presidential nominee refuses to stoop as low as others. Pelosi tears up the President’s State of the Union speech on national television. Keith Olbermann calls the president a “terrorist”. Media on the left and right amplify all of it.

The rabid attacks kindle the conspiracy mongers and the haters who take the small and predictable step from intemperate word to dangerous action. The world is watching America with abject horror; more consequentially, our children are watching. Many Americans are frightened for our country – so divided, so angry, so mean, so violent.

It is time to lower the heat. Leaders must tone it down. Leaders from the top and leaders from all stripes. Parents, bosses, reporters columnists, professors, union chiefs, everyone. The consequence of the crescendo of anger leads to a very bad place. No sane person can want that.

While I agree with the points he makes, here’s the problem: elected officials mentioned by name (and those not named, but who deserve to be included in the ‘behaving badly’ group) were put into office by the American people. If this isn’t a cautionary tale to thoughtfully pause before checking off the ballot boxes, I don’t know what is.

Me, I’m just biting my lip: On one hand, November 3 can’t come fast enough. On the other hand, what fresh hell will that bring?

[Ed. I’m not sure why Keith Olbermann was included in this rant, because who is he that Romney (or any of us) should care what he says? This especially as he is not an elected official. He can shoot his mouth off any time that he wants, as much as he wants, and make as many stupid comments as he wants. And I’m glad he has the right to do so.]

–Dana

90 Responses to “Mitt Romney Wants Everyone To ‘Lower the Heat’”

  1. Poor Mitt. He is a man born out of time. People are ugly, crude, uncivil, and itching for a fight 24/7, with social media and news outlets continually stoking the fires. I feel him. I agree with him. And yet, here we are.

    Dana (292df6)

  2. He can shoot his mouth off any time that he wants, as much as he wants, and make as many stupid comments as he wants. And I’m glad he has the right to do so.

    While this is true and I agree in principle it’s all interconnected. It’s like looking at what passes for modern art, shrugging, and then complaining about architecture and jazz fusion.

    Once you start accepting obvious and blatant lies as part of the public conversation and everything becomes political propaganda it’s hard to draw distinctions like this.

    frosty (f27e97)

  3. I like Mitt, but this was an ill-advised and poorly-written statement. For one thing, so many Trumpests — and even many non-Trump Republicans — remember Mitt as the decent guy who gee-whizzed during his crappy treatment by Hairy Reed, Barack Obama, Candy Crowley, and other Democrats and — instead of looking dignified, polite, and restrained — came off looking weak and unsure.

    And yeah, invoking Olbermann makes it look like Mitt is trapped in 2007, which was about the last time anyone of any influence cared what that smug jerkoff had to say.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  4. People are ugly, crude, uncivil, and itching for a fight 24/7, with social media and news outlets continually stoking the fires.

    When the ruler is virtuous, he inspires virtue in the people. When he is ugly, crude, uncivil, and itching for a fight 24/7, he makes the people ugly, crude, uncivil, and itching for a fight 24/7.

    nk (1d9030)

  5. I, personally, appreciate the poetic irony that Trump who always finds someone else to blame for everything will end up being blamed for everything. But let’s get him out first.

    nk (1d9030)

  6. My guess is that Mitt has been stewing over the increasing vulgarness for a while, and whatever reach his voice has, he wants to turn down the noise…before the Real Noise begins on Nov. 3.

    Dana (292df6)

  7. LOL – Mitt Romney, a decent and reasonable man. He was a literal Hitler who gave women cancer when he wasn’t keeping them trapped in in binders, he didn’t pay his taxes for years on end, he tortured a small dog by strapping it to the roof of his car, he lied about Obama not immediately calling Benghazi a terrorist attack, he wrote off 47% of the electorate as useless, he developed plans for re-instituting slavery and forcing women to be baby-making machines, he’s in favor of pushing grandmothers in wheelchairs off of cliffs and letting old folks starve – what part of this monster is decent and reasonable?

    Jerryskids (702a61)

  8. Was this before or after Biden forgot his name and could only come up with “that Mormon”? Maybe he just wants to make sure the D’s haven’t forgotten that he’s all in with BLM?

    Anyone else remember when it was just confederate statues and anyone saying otherwise was a right wing nutter? Well, Pepperidge Farm remembers.

    frosty (f27e97)

  9. I’m not sure why Keith Olbermann was included in this rant, because who is he that Romney (or any of us) should care what he says? This especially as he is not an elected official. He can shoot his mouth off any time that he wants, as much as he wants, and make as many stupid comments as he wants. And I’m glad he has the right to do so.

    Keith Olbermannn is a quite well-known “sports” commentator and as such has quite a few followers who pay attention to what he says. Now I’m sure you would quite fine with Keith Olbermann saying what a nice fellow that Hitler guy was and how he can’t understand what objection anybody could possibly have to exterminating all those filthy Jews like the cockroaches they are, but some of us might look askance, not so much as what he’s saying, but the fact that he’s quite comfortable saying it, as if he knows there are a lot of people that feel the same way he does. And I think you know that.

    Jerryskids (702a61)

  10. Does Pepperidge Farm remember that it was in fact only Confederate statues before Trump, whose only political tactic is stirring up hate and resentment, showed up on the scene?

    nk (1d9030)

  11. Mitt probably showed great decorum and decency as he fired your dad.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  12. Now I’m sure you would quite fine with Keith Olbermann saying what a nice fellow that Hitler guy was and how he can’t understand what objection anybody could possibly have to exterminating all those filthy Jews like the cockroaches they are, but some of us might look askance, not so much as what he’s saying, but the fact that he’s quite comfortable saying it, as if he knows there are a lot of people that feel the same way he does. And I think you know that.

    You can’t be serious.

    Dana (292df6)

  13. nk (1d9030) — 10/13/2020 @ 8:10 pm

    This inversion of logic is a site to behold. These rioters just can’t control their rage and insanity because Trump?

    frosty (f27e97)

  14. Romney seems like he’s probably a perfectly fine person face to face and in his personal life. I don’t like his business practices and I don’t think he ran for president as the person he is. He was also running against a relatively popular incumbent president.

    I don’t blame him for being unhappy with his situation and I think he’s been much more himself as a senator than he ever was a presidential candidate. I’d happily sit down for escargot with him and Ann.

    Nic (896fdf)

  15. This inversion of logic is a site to behold. These rioters just can’t control their rage and insanity because Trump?

    Trump is worthless as a leader on top of being a promoter of violence and hate and he cannot control the rage and insanity he provokes. Not that he wants to. Like I said, that’s his only political tactic.

    But, please, do go ahead and give me your explanation why it was only Confederate statues but then it became Columbus statues and now it’s Abraham Lincoln statues too.

    nk (1d9030)

  16. Hey, The White House has stated on the record that they’re going for full Herd Immunity without vaccines.

    It has a somewhat negative effect on lives, extra 500k deaths in 2020, up to 2.1M more in 2021.

    No big deal, move on, nothing to see here.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  17. Its a little late for that. Thats like the captain of the titanic saying we should have brought more life boats! Unlike the vietnam war this is one draft romney and the never trumpers won’t be able to dodge. Trump is playing to his base so he can control the republican party after the election. The dreams of the never trumpers to take back the republican party for the donor class to buy the nomination is over! AOC not biden or pelosi is the leader of the democratic party base. Black southern older women democrats who feared white voters would not vote for bernie sanders have saved the democrat party establishment in 2016 and again in 2020. Biden had to compromise with AOC and the left so they didn’t walk out again as they did in 2016. The left will be out primarying establishment corporate democrats in 2022 nadler and schumer. Both sides have shown corporate establishment stooges the party door.

    asset (aa0c9c)

  18. Both sides have shown corporate establishment stooges the party door.

    Indeed. Now that both parties have largely finished purging and marginalizing the people who — whatever their faults — could at least talk to each other, they can get on with the business of going to war. Literally.

    Demosthenes (5f62f9)

  19. @11. You know what the difference is between Ivan Boesky, Michael Milken, Charles Keating, Larry Tisch and Mitt Romney?

    Nothing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  20. I’m not sure why Keith Olbermann was included in this rant

    Same reason Sean Penn would pop up in pox-on-both houses quotations during the Bush years — balance sometimes demands filler.

    Kyle (a00aa2)

  21. Mitt Romney was the best man nominated for the office since at least Reagan. It is truly a shame that he is not working on his farewell address. The nation would be a far better place if that were so.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  22. I’m not quite sure where we went off the cliff. Maybe it was the Clinton impeachment, or Clinton’s scorched earth defense. Maybe it was Florida 2000 and the partisan estrangement that followed — there are still 13 million Google hits for “Bush Hitler.”

    Or perhaps it was the permanent filibuster of the W years, or the return favor in Obama’s time. Or maybe it was Congress passing Obamacare while hundreds of thousands protested outside, or the IRS targeting the Teas in the aftermath.

    Or maybe it was the electoral-vote-only election of Donald Trump, and his behavior in office.

    Or … each step down has been a mistake. There is no quarter given. And there is not sign of change in the near future. Biden had a chance to run a national unity campaign, and he could have pulled it off.

    Let’s see if he can rise to the occasion as he governs. My money is on more division.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  23. What i’m seeing in the inclusion of Olbermann is a riff off of the later point about leaders of all stripes.

    There is no legal requirement for this, nor should there be. But those of us in a position to lead communities have an obligation to help lower the heat within the communities we lead — and Olbermann is a leader *because he has followers*, whether you think he should or not.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  24. Biden had a chance to run a national unity campaign, and he could have pulled it off.

    He is three weeks from pulling it off.

    I don’t know what you think he realistically could have done that he hasn’t. To the extent he has campaigned at all, it has been against Donald Trump, not the republican party as a whole. In the VP debate, his “Lawful Evil” running-mate hailed and welcomed the Republicans and Independents who have rejected Trump. Both he and Harris have said respectful things about Barrett as a qualified judge and person of character. Of course, they are not happy about the confirmation, but even there the language has been fairly temperate.

    I hope Biden and McConnell can both rise to the occasion and work together next year on bringing the pandemic under control and restoring the economy.

    Dave (1bb933)

  25. This is mostly off-topic, but I had a brilliant idea today…

    After election day, Biden should cut a deal with Trump to forgive his unpaid taxes, and dangle a Flynn-style prosecutorial pardon. In short, Biden should buy Trump.

    In return, until the Coronavirus pandemic is over, Donald Trump will serve as a spokesman for the administration’s mitigation and prevention efforts. In doing so, he will produce public service ads promoting responsible wearing of masks, social distancing, safe re-opening, etc. as dictated by Fauci and Birx. He will also hold frequent virtual events promoting the same message. He will never be seen in public without a mask. Going off-message or coloring outside the lines will invalidate the whole deal, and bring the full weight of the legal system down on him.

    This would serve several very essential purposes.

    First, Trump alone (see what I did there?) can convince the hard-core deplorables to stop screwing over the country.

    Second, it will demonstrate in unmistakable terms that Trump stands for nothing except lining his own pockets.

    Dave (1bb933)

  26. Biden had a chance to run a national unity campaign, and he could have pulled it off. Let’s see if he can rise to the occasion as he governs. My money is on more division.

    LOL He can barely pull off his mask.

    Let’s just see if he wakes up in the morning. And knows what state he’s in. It’s a Trump victory by 3 points– or President Harris within 24 months. A win/win over ideological conservatism.

    Glorious.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  27. I truly excuse Dingy Harry for his b.s. on mittens. Mittens is a pathetic man who grifts from state to state looking for victims. A truly azz kissing dope.

    mg (8cbc69)

  28. You people should be happy he was never your govna. Let alone leader of the free world.
    dopes.

    mg (8cbc69)

  29. Thank the boooooshes and obama for where we stand today.
    booooosh killed our best and brightest and obama continued the killings.

    mg (8cbc69)

  30. Seal Team 6 was shot down by our gubmint.

    mg (8cbc69)

  31. Well, you can be fr=or that, but to lower the heat, you must lower the lies and make lies not work.

    Lies working gives those people inventing them courage to try more and more invidious lies.

    Oh, and raise political campaign contribution limits.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  32. Baby killers vote biden/huh/2020
    pontificate that.

    mg (8cbc69)

  33. Romney can look past all the dead cops destoyed businesses and say a pox on both your houses.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  34. Mitt probably showed great decorum and decency as he fired your dad.

    Which is more than Trump did when he stiffed all the small businesses naive enough to extend him credit.

    nk (1d9030)

  35. I have stayed quiet with the approach of the election. But I’m troubled by our politics, as it has moved away from spirited debate to a vile, vituperative, hate-filled morass that is unbecoming of any free nation

    Hey Mitt, remember when the left mocked you for wearing your magic underwear? Or called you a terrorist for giving a gay dude a haircut? Or denigrated your charitable works because it didn’t help enough brown people?

    Screw them, Mitt. Screw ’em. They will never be appeased until conservatives everywhere hold no political positions and they can turn this place into a third world socialist hellhole.

    Hoi Polloi (7cefeb)

  36. When the ruler is virtuous, he inspires virtue in the people. When he is ugly, crude, uncivil, and itching for a fight 24/7, he makes the people ugly, crude, uncivil, and itching for a fight 24/7.

    nk (1d9030) — 10/13/2020 @ 7:27 pm

    I can’t remember all the virtuous things Obama said about his opposition. Bitter clingers. Or Clinton – deplorables.

    Get in their faces. They bring a knife, we bring a gun.

    Yes, Democrats are the paragon of political civility.

    Hoi Polloi (7cefeb)

  37. Mitt was probably doing a little nutpicking with Olbermann, who really went to his Germanic roots in his tirade. Olbermann’s response to Romney was expected, the opinionated former sportscaster doesn’t get it. Once Trump goes down in flames, Romney will be one of the few elected Republicans who can say with credibility “I tried, I told you so, Trump was a whopping mistake”, and he will likely be a default leader of the party who can move it in a different, better direction. I’ll be there with him.
    Whatever his motivations were for writing it, he’s not wrong.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  38. Trump’s supporters love him because he openly hates the people they hate.

    Time123 (ae9d89)

  39. Whembly, I did see that. It’s interesting. I’d like to see it result in a pledge by Biden not to take meetings with business associates of family members. I’d like to see both candidates do that to be honest.

    I do think there are some questions about the story still to be answered.

    If the FBI had this why was it given to Rudy?
    If the FBI had this why wasn’t it in Ron Johnsonn’s report?
    Did the meeting actually happen? If so who was there, how long was it and what was discussed?

    Time123 (ae9d89)

  40. Lower the heat?

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/10/when-is-it-okay-to-prevent-a-woman-from-speaking.php

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/13/watch-mazie-hirono-asks-amy-coney-barrett-if-she-is-a-sexual-assailant/

    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/10/14/pelosi-in-meltdown-to-cnns-blitzer-on-coronavirus-relief-impasse-we-represent-them-have-you-fed-them-we-feed-them/

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/14/nolte-smoking-gun-email-shows-joe-biden-did-meet-with-son-hunters-ukraine-partners/

    Biden and Harris can refuse to answer questions about whether they will pack the Supreme Court.

    Clapper lies to Congress, nothing happens. Brennan does illegal searches on the Senate, nothing happens. McCabe lies, nothing happens. Comey lies, nothing happens.

    There is a plot & coup to take out President-elect Trump and then prevent him from governing, and nothing happens. The persecution of Gen’l Flynn by a renegade & rogue judge, who should have been disqualified after the first hearing he held, because he made biased comments that Flynn had committed treason, when that matter was not even before the court and thus demonstrated the judge was personally embroiled (see Little v. Kern County, 294 F.3d 1075 (9th Cir. 2002) https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/294/1075/545741/ ), yet the judges/courts sit back and let this charade continue – when it is indisputable that the Obaama/Biden gang targeted, framed & entrapped Flynn. DOUBLE STANDARDS and so much for the Rule of Law. If they can do this to President Trump and Gen’l Flynn, What chance does the little guy have?

    Lower the heat? The above are all tinder making the fire.

    The license to hate all things Trump, allows those with TDS to blame him for everything, while they stay in their cocoon of denial – while the Rule of Law, the Constituion and the counrty burn.

    Liberty & Truth require constant vigilance – and some accountability. GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (a1521c)

  41. @41 all good questions. Before we’d really tear into the Bidens, I’d like some level of authentication because, *looking at the dates*, the timing is awfully suspect.

    whembly (b57cfe)

  42. @41 all good questions. Before we’d really tear into the Bidens, I’d like some level of authentication because, *looking at the dates*, the timing is awfully suspect.

    whembly (b57cfe) — 10/14/2020 @ 7:06 am

    I’ll be honest, the fact that Rudy is named as the source doesn’t fill be confidence.

    Time123 (ae9d89)

  43. as opposed to kelloggs fusion flakes@ and dan jones magnificent wurlitzer,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  44. Keith Olberman, from Paul’s link:

    And if you don’t know why @MittRomney is quoting me, here is the video in which I stated this. And that @realDonaldTrumpis also – negligently or intentionally – a mass murderer. https://youtu.be/rE-GxWyhw_Q

    Yes. Yes, he is.

    nk (1d9030)

  45. fill me with confidence….man i need to proof read more.

    Time123 (ae9d89)

  46. I do think there are some questions about the story still to be answered.

    Stealing or duplicating a laptop and planting apparently incriminating emails on it would be child’s play for Rudy’s friends from Russian intelligence.

    Dave (1bb933)

  47. The NY Post story raises more questions than anything.
    Who was the person who dropped off the computer? It’s odd that he/she never came back.
    If this truly was Hunter Biden’s computer and he sold it or gave it to someone else, why wasn’t the personal information wiped? Anyone with a lick of common sense would do that, especially the son of a prominent politician.
    What did the FBI actually do with the computer and what did they conclude?
    When did Giuliani get this information?
    Why is Bannon involved? This is a red flag because this is the same Steve Bannon who pulled the political dirty trick using a phony baloney “witness” CV19 was created in a Chinese lab.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  48. You know, it could always get worse. Given the rhetoric that is being used these days on both sides, with some university professors recently calling for stopping Barrett’s confirmation with “whatever it takes.” How long before direct action (which we are probably seeing some of in police ambushes) becomes a means of political change? Don’t like Justice Thomas, or Maxine Waters, or Senator Cruz? Do you really think they are Nazis or Stalinists? Well, the path is clear. After all, THEY would do it if they could!

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  49. The press will bury any derogatory story on Biden until the left-wing decides Biden has to go. I’m betting there are plenty of stories in the chamber; press just deciding when to fire. Surely not before Trump is out of office though.

    Hoi Polloi (7cefeb)

  50. Who was the person who dropped off the computer? It’s odd that he/she never came back.

    It’s not just that he/she never came back:

    The customer who brought in the water-damaged MacBook Pro for repair never paid for the service or retrieved it or a hard drive on which its contents were stored, according to the shop owner, who said he tried repeatedly to contact the client.

    They vanished into thin air.

    Dave (1bb933)

  51. The press will bury any derogatory story on Biden until the left-wing decides Biden has to go.

    January 23, 2023. Allowing Harris to run twice for re-election.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  52. The civility lesson was on display yesterday at the ACB hearings.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  53. They vanished into thin air.

    That it took four years to find the Russian source for the pee dossier didn’t seem to bother many.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  54. and still they buy the rumor, over the fact, interesting the fall of 2019, was just when the ukraine kerfluffle popped up,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  55. meanwhile they had an actual russian spy with spec ops training, who echoed putin’s line at richard dearlove’s little shindig, and yet not nearly a peep,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  56. Allowing Harris to run twice for re-election.

    LOL

    Dave (1bb933)

  57. nk, I agree with Olbermann to the extent that Trump is guilty of negligent mass homicide, but he went over the top with, “Trump can be and must be expunged….His enablers…the Mike Lee’s, the William Barr’s and the Sean Hannity’s and the Mike Pence’s…and the Amy Coney Barrett’s must be prosecuted and convicted and removed from our society.” Like I said, I think he’s tapping a little too much into his Germanic ancestry.
    I don’t agree with his von Papen comparison, which tells me he doesn’t understand what von Papen did or what Romney has done, or both. Romney neither endorsed nor voted for Trump in 2016, he criticized Trump’s worse statements/acts, and he voted to remove the guy. He’s the lone elected Republican who has stood out like that. Everyone else capitulated, even the venerated civics-teaching Sasse.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  58. That it took four years to find the Russian source for the pee dossier didn’t seem to bother many.

    Which Democrats or major media outlets represented the pee tape allegation as verified fact?

    Dave (1bb933)

  59. The customer who brought in the water-damaged MacBook Pro for repair never paid for the service or retrieved it or a hard drive on which its contents were stored, according to the shop owner, who said he tried repeatedly to contact the client.

    They vanished into thin air.

    Dave (1bb933) — 10/14/2020 @ 8:09 am

    Wouldn’t surprise me if Hunter left his damaged device somewhere after sleeping off some drug-induced bender. It lands in a Republican’s hand, who then sends it to be fixed, but never pays. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that if the device has questionable material in it, most computer repair businesses will report it to the authorities, which they did.

    And I’m sure they kept a copy to sell to the GOP, which they probably did.

    Which explains how it is getting leaked to the press.

    Hoi Polloi (7cefeb)

  60. Which Democrats or major media outlets represented the pee tape allegation as verified fact?

    Dave (1bb933) — 10/14/2020 @ 8:31 am

    None, of course, because that would get them into trouble. But they all insinuated it was true. And many believed that Cohen had been in Prague – which he had not. All said the Steele Dossier was mostly verified, which we now know is patently false.

    Hoi Polloi (7cefeb)

  61. Which Democrats or major media outlets represented the pee tape allegation as verified fact?

    You Dave. You’ve defended it here many times.

    beer ‘n pretzels (d34b14)

  62. it was the basis for the fisa warrant and the intelligence assessment along with crowdstrike, of course it proved to me, the so called community, can’t discern anything,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  63. You Dave. You’ve defended it here many times.

    I am not a Democrat or a major media outlet, and I have never claimed the pee tape allegation was verified fact, here or anywhere else.

    Dave (1bb933)

  64. Biden and Trump will appear in competing town halls tomorrow night (Thursday) at 8 p.m. when a debate between them was originally scheduled: Biden on ABC in Philadelphia and Trump on NBC in Miami. Trump’s town hall will be held outdoors.

    Both candidates previously held town halls already: Trump on ABC on September 15 in Philadelphia and Biden on NBC on October 5 in Miami, moderated by Lester Holt. Democrats complained about the NBC town hall being scheduled at the same time but NBC said they are just evening things out.

    Biden’s event will be moderated by George Stephanopoulos, as was the one held in September with Trump. Trump’s event will be moderated by Savannah Guthrie, who will sit 12 feet from him and everyone else will be required to wear a face mask.

    National Institutes of Health Clinical Director Clifford Lane said in a statement to NBC that he and Dr. Anthony Fauci had reviewed medical data including a PCR test Trump took yesterday (Tuesday) and he told NBC News that they have concluded, “with a high degree of confidence” that Trump is “not shedding infectious virus.”

    Apparently there might still be detectable bits of what are probably insignificant amounts of virus fragments that you shouldn’t worry about and there is no reason for anyone to avoid him. PCR tests cannot distinguish between live and dead, or whole or partial, viruses.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  65. # 63 – Which Democrats or major media outlets represented the pee tape allegation as verified fact?
    Dave (1bb933) — 10/14/2020 @ 8:31 am
    ___________________

    Really?
    NY Post: Latest revelations show Team Obama invented the WHOLE RussiaGate scandal https://nypost.com/2020/10/10/latest-revelations-show-team-obama-invented-russiagate-scandal/

    National Review: New files highlight Brennan’s role promoting H. Clinton’s Russia collusion narrative – Brennan advised Obama – entire gov’t weaponized against Trump? https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/10/new-files-highlight-brennans-role-promoting-clintons-russia-collusion-narrative/

    Conservative Treehouse: Sidney Powell – The Obama Administration was complicit – They pushed the disinformation against Trump & Flynn https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/10/12/powell-the-obama-admin-was-complicit-they-pushed-the-disinformation-against-trump-and-flynn/

    Evidence Surfaces of John Durham Grand Jury – Team Following Deep State Rabbit Hole Leading to Senate Intel Committee Corruption… https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/10/08/evidence-surfaces-of-john-durham-grand-jury-team-following-deep-state-rabbit-hole-leading-to-senate-intel-committee-corruption/#more-201337

    Senators Grassley and Johnson Demand 300 Pages of Hidden McCabe Text Messages – FBI Has Refused Production for Two Years… https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/10/13/senators-grassley-and-johnson-demand-300-pages-of-hidden-mccabe-text-messages-fbi-has-refused-production-for-two-years/
    ___________________

    Liberty & Truth require constant vigilance. GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (a1521c)

  66. nk (1d9030) — 10/13/2020 @ 8:47 pm

    But, please, do go ahead and give me your explanation why it was only Confederate statues but then it became Columbus statues and now it’s Abraham Lincoln statues too.

    I have everytime this has come up, especially in the last few months. The phrase “it’s only Confederate statues” isn’t a pre-Trump comment. It was the default response of the left when this issue came up this year.

    The statue issue is about control. Destroying statues is part of the historical revisionism that is common on the left.

    he cannot control the rage and insanity he provokes

    How weak willed are these people he provokes? Are they simply marionettes devoid of agency dancing to Trump’s superpowers?

    frosty (f27e97)

  67. Time123 (ae9d89) — 10/14/2020 @ 6:52 am

    Maybe but

    Trump’s supporters love him because he openly hates the people that hate them.

    is more accurate.

    frosty (f27e97)

  68. Can we find common ground with: “Trump’s supporters love him because he openly hates the people that insulted them.“?

    Time123 (53ef45)

  69. Time123 (53ef45) — 10/14/2020 @ 10:14 am

    Probably not. The problem isn’t “insult[ing] them”. If you’re uncomfortable with the undercurrent of hate that prevades the left, D’s, NeverTrump, etc. for “the other side” aka Trumpers then the “supporters love” and “he … hates” shouldn’t be included either and we’re not left with anything to find common ground on.

    The idea that only Trump and Trumpers hate is the problem with your original comment.

    frosty (f27e97)

  70. @69-

    None of those qualify as major media outlets, rather they are fake media outlets. Conservative Treehouse, really?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  71. If you’re uncomfortable with the undercurrent of hate that prevades the left, D’s, NeverTrump

    From the early days of Trump’s candidacy, whenever he said something nasty or grotesque, there were Trumper’s chortling that it was great as long as it “made the right people mad.” Insulting people was a central theme of the campaign, and subsequently of the Trump presidency. Trumpers have treated the very concept of “civility” as just another species of evil — until they want people to stop crticizing them.

    The “hate” wasn’t started by “NeverTrumpers.” It was started by Trump and his fanatical followers. “NeverTrump” only responded to it.

    The fantasy that Trumpers keep feeding themselves is that Trump-critics never had any real reason to dislike and distrust him; that they just invented reasons, which upset his devotees, who were only defending themselves when they labeled every Trump-skeptic a treacherous, anti-American RINO or Marxist, and shouted “Blow the whole thing up!” and “Burn the place to the ground!”

    The hard-core Trumpers wanted all-out war not just against the Left, but against anyone who did not revere Trump unconditionally and allow him a blanket exemption from the standards by which they judge everyone else.

    Anyone who is devoted to defending Donald Trump has no credibility in demanding that people be nicer.

    Radegunda (bb2719)

  72. In seconding Cleveland’s nomination at the Democratic National Convention in July 1884 (shortly before this cartoon was published), General Edward Bragg of Wisconsin memorably remarked that Cleveland’s supporters “love him most of all for the enemies he has made.” Nast spreads the quote across the top of his cartoon to emphasize Cleveland’s anti-Tammany credentials.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  73. I’m nevertrump because of the hatred. It blew my mind that Trump could insult an opponent’s parents, kids, and spouse and get nominated. I’ll never be OK with that. The idea that because I have a problem with hate, I must be the real hater, is just the same thin skinned nonsense we have heard every day from Trump’s fanbase. It’s pathetic to admit you know this stuff is wrong but defend it with some sophistry pretzel logic.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  74. Trump’s supporters love him because he openly hates the people that hate them.

    is more accurate.

    frosty (f27e97) — 10/14/2020 @ 10:06 am

    No. Ted Cruz’s dad and wife didn’t do anything to deserve the hate, frosty and you know it. Trump’s hatred of black tenants, his birther hysterics, it’s all been selfishness. We’re all better than this guy, and the country is about to reject Trump again.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  75. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/14/2020 @ 12:17 pm

    Do you even read the comment or is it just pure imagination. You had to completely torture my comment and general vocabulary to get there.

    frosty (f27e97)

  76. Radegunda (bb2719) — 10/14/2020 @ 12:06 pm

    This seems to be the new standard operating procedure.

    The “hate” wasn’t started by “NeverTrumpers.” It was started by Trump and his fanatical followers. “NeverTrump” only responded to it.

    I didn’t say that. Time123 didn’t say that. This wasn’t a point either of us were trying to make. This is something you just inserted because you don’t want to engage on the actual issue. At least you acknowledge that there is hate coming from NeverTrump.

    The fantasy that Trumpers keep feeding themselves is that Trump-critics never had any real reason to dislike and distrust him;

    Oh wait, you’re clawing it back now and its back to just distruct and dislike. But also something I never said.

    frosty (f27e97)

  77. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/14/2020 @ 12:16 pm

    The idea that because I have a problem with hate, I must be the real hater, is just the same thin skinned nonsense

    It’s hard to tell who you’re talking to here but you do have a tendency to define anything you don’t like in extreme binary terms, either hate, racisim, etc. I don’t think it’s thin skinned. I think it’s just a lazy way to frame the discussion. Rather than talking about something you define the opposing viewpoint as racism or hatred or pretzel logic as an easy out and it just becames an ad hominem.

    frosty (f27e97)

  78. Trump’s supporters love him because he openly hates the people that hate them.

    is more accurate.

    frosty (f27e97) — 10/14/2020 @ 10:06 am

    Does anyone really think that selective hate on others’ behalf renders him an effective and good leader for *all* Americans? Because that is what he is supposed to be: the President of America, not just a segment of America, representing some Americans. I think the comment is an appalling suggestion, especially if it’s being supported or applauded.

    Dana (292df6)

  79. At least you acknowledge that there is hate coming from NeverTrump

    I did not acknowledge that. I said the “NeverTrumpers” responded to the “burn it all down” attitude and the screeching against “RINOs” that was so visible among Trump fanatics, the people who have openly scorned civility and who have kept saying “cry more!” and “You’ve got your panties in a bunch” etc. whenever Trump is criticized.

    Trump has been lionized for being rude and crude and mean. “NeverTrumpers” have said they don’t like his rudeness, or the way it encourages Trumpers to be the same.

    That is now equivalent.

    Radegunda (bb2719)

  80. That is NOT equivalent.

    Radegunda (bb2719)

  81. I think we can all agree that Trump has intentionally ginned up the hate in his base by continually reminding them that Washington, politicians, Fake News, etc. all hate them, and he has advantageously exploited their hate to serve his political needs. They are angry, he riles up the hate, he feeds off the hate, they feel listened to, he uses it to his advantage, and he wins in the end. The worst kind of symbiotic relationship.

    Dana (292df6)

  82. Dana (292df6) — 10/14/2020 @ 3:12 pm

    I was in a bind because if I took out the hate Time123 would have objected more strongly. In an effort to have a discussion I didn’t want to change his comment too much and derail it.

    I think the comment is an appalling suggestion, especially if it’s being supported or applauded.

    But we can’t have discussions like that now because anything uncomfortable, like suggesting there is hate on both sides, just leads to moral outrage.

    frosty (f27e97)

  83. Dana (292df6) — 10/14/2020 @ 3:29 pm

    I think we can all agree that Trump has intentionally ginned up the hate in his base

    Before we can do that we’d need to agree on what “hate” is. I’d suggest it’s being used over broadly by you here and it’s certainly used over broadly by others in other comments and threads.

    The term hate used to be a word that was on the far end of a spectrum. Now it’s a binary term. Anything someone disapproves of is hate and if you don’t accept this new definition you’re part of the problem. I don’t accept this new definition of hate.

    frosty (f27e97)

  84. None, of course, because that would get them into trouble. But they all insinuated it was true.

    They just reported on the controversy. A lot.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

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