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10/12/2020

Trump and That Special Glow

Filed under: General — Dana @ 4:41 pm



[guest post by Dana]

I have to say, Trump talking about his ‘protective glow’ is not something that I saw happening:

President Donald Trump declared himself Covid-free on Sunday[.]

Trump has met the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s criteria for a safe return from isolation and is no longer at risk of spreading the virus to others, White House physician Sean Conley wrote in a memo Saturday night…

“I beat this crazy, horrible China virus,” Trump claimed in a wide-ranging, 30-minute phone interview with Fox News host Maria Bartiromo on “Sunday Morning Futures.”

The president also suggested he now has immunity from the virus…Those who have recovered from Covid-19 “have some immunity,” The AP reported last week, “but how much and for how long are big unanswered questions.”

“It looks like I’m immune for, I don’t know, maybe a long time, maybe a short time,” the president said. “It could be a lifetime. Nobody really knows, but I’m immune.”

“I even feel good by the fact that, you know, the word ‘immunity’ means something,” he added. “Having really a protective glow means something. I think it’s very important to have that. To have that is a very important thing.”

In all of my reading about COVID-19, I don’t recall seeing anything about a Covid-19 protective glow. Perhaps I missed it. But in googling “glow” just now, I thought, well, this is one helluva Trump ‘n Glow six-degrees-of-separation thing happening:

Wrestling!

glow4

Suntans!

glow 1

trumpglow

And of course, the ultimate protective glow!

glow3
glow2

Here’s Trump’s ultimate Covid protective glowgasm!

trump glow

Anyway, President Trump, even post-Covid, continues to pat himself on the back for the superb job he believes he has done in managing the pandemic because only 200,000-plus Americans have died:

The president also cited an early estimate that more than 2 million Americans could’ve died if the U.S. government did nothing to combat the virus, suggesting that the fraction of that mass toll of projected deaths was evidence that his administration had done “a phenomenal job.”

“One is too many, but 2.2 million was the prediction as to how many people would die,” Trump said. “We lost 200,000-plus, and, you know, there are those that say we did a phenomenal job. We did a phenomenal job.”

Eh, too bad those 200,000-plus losers didn’t wait around to get their personal, protective glow, am I right??

Note to doubters and naysayers: contrary to your assertions that 200,000-plus Americans have not died and that the number is being intentionally inflated, here is President Trump himself agreeing that 200,000-plus Americans have indeed died from the virus.

Glow, little Glow Worm, glow:

–Dana

108 Responses to “Trump and That Special Glow”

  1. Hello!

    Dana (292df6)

  2. Gentlemen perspire. Ladies glow. I even taught it to my daughter.

    nk (1d9030)

  3. Proving once again my assertion that we are all living in a Franz Kafka novel.

    Maybe Trump is an alien from the planet Zeda-Max, whose residents have bright orange hair and glow bright yellow. Up till now, his disguise took care of that, but he slipped one morning, and the glow shone forth. So he cooked up the recovery-from-Covid as an excuse.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  4. I have to say, Trump talking about his ‘protective glow’ is not something that I saw happening

    That’s how TV serials keep you coming back for more. The element of surprise. If it were predictable, you would stop tuning in.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  5. I was thinking of this kind of glowing, not beauty products. Either way, I think the steroids were talking.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  6. R.I.P. Joe Morgan, hall of fame second baseman for
    The Big Red Machine.

    Icy (6abb50)

  7. naricso,

    Can you at least comment on the post before going on to something else?

    Dana (292df6)

  8. Were told this is so deadly, any sacrifice is warranted, even though the who reversed their recommendations on lockdown after they plunged the world into a minor cataclysm

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  9. Either way, I think the steroids were talking.

    If we had not already had 3-plus years of Trump’s incoherence and non-sensical word salad, maybe. But we already have seen him do that during his tenure so I am disinclined to blame it on the steroids. I would love to but the historical record is what it is.

    Dana (292df6)

  10. Proving once again my assertion that we are all living in a Franz Kafka novel.

    Maybe so. I think we have certainly tumbled down the rabbit hole, with the Queen of Hearts constantly hollering at the minions “Off with their heads! Off with their heads! I’ll sue them! Fake News!”

    Dana (292df6)

  11. Hey! What’s the news about the First Lady?

    nk (1d9030)

  12. Even money that the October 28 surprise will be people from Walter Reed coming forth to say that Trump did not have the Covid and it was all a hoax.

    nk (1d9030)

  13. And the other 19 staffers, youve been overdoing the oleander.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  14. Hello back, Dana!!!

    Woohoo!

    The Mills Brothers!!!!! Love it!!

    Trump a courtin’ that Skycap-here’s-a-dollar-tip-for-pork-chop-money vote!

    “What have you got to lose?” – Donald J. Trump

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. And the other 19 staffers,

    Never let a crisis go to waste.

    nk (1d9030)

  16. So when are we going to see the First Lady glow?

    nk (1d9030)

  17. Is no comrade suspicious that the oldest and most vulnerable sufferer of the Rose Garden minidemic is the first to recover?

    nk (1d9030)

  18. Glow versus flameout: fiery words from Joe, just today:

    In Wilmington: ‘That Mormon governor…’

    In Toledo: “I’m running as a proud Democrat for the Senate.”

    Oh. My. God.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. Well I guess you were right again, DC, this time on morality being a shifting target:

    https://news.yahoo.com/cal-cunningham-surprisingly-increases-lead-215800208.html

    urbanleftbehind (94df8a)

  20. Christie just left a thank you note:

    Dear Mr. President,
    I’m glad you didn’t kill me.
    Be best,
    Governor Christie

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  21. But will he hug him? The chronology with regard to an upcoming Election Day is similar.

    urbanleftbehind (94df8a)

  22. Sly & The Family Joe: Court pack-a-lack-a-lack-a-Court-pack-a-lack-a-lack-a…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  23. Trump is devoting part of his speech to Puerto Rico. He says, “I’m not gonna say the best, but I’m just about the best thing that ever happened to Puerto Rico. You better vote for me, Puerto Rico.” (Puerto Ricans who live in Puerto Rico don’t have a vote for president.)

    https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1315832665812226048

    Davethulhu (1ebef9)

  24. NeverTrump’s protective glow has been DontCallItWuhanFlu, for eight months now. Ask Jane.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  25. I’m sure we can all agree, bmp, that Fonda’s comments are despicable in light of 200,000 dead Americans. While we can understand the point she is trying to make, she needed to keep her mouth shut. That she would say such a thing only shows me that she places no value on the lives that were lost. They were simply collateral damage for her higher cause. I want Trump out as much as the next person but I would never dream of devaluing 200,000 Americans to do so.

    Dana (292df6)

  26. DCSCA,

    Glow Worm was JVW’s idea. It was a good one.

    Dana (292df6)

  27. No her point was about bringing about the downturn that maher so devoutly wished.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  28. In Toledo: “I’m running as a proud Democrat for the Senate.”

    Oh. My. God.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/12/2020 @ 6:08 pm

    Granted, Biden’s way way past his prime and his prime wasn’t that much to begin with.

    But this kind of political scandal is so annoying. You know Trump says something 100 times as stupid 100 times a day. You know that if you follow the smartest person on earth around all day you will hear at least a couple things like that. I don’t care about these minor verbal gaffes at all.

    Youth and capability aren’t on the ballot. The election is about how low our moral character can go. Everything else is intended to distract.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  29. Meanwhile…….

    Madison Alder
    @madialder
    ·
    Sen Blumenthal says he’s “deeply concerned that the Supreme Court is losing the trust and respect of the American people. The authority of the Supreme Court depends on that trust.”
    __ _

    Guy Benson
    @guypbenson
    ·
    Gallup:

    Supreme Court approval +20 (58/38) — July 2020

    Congress approval -54 (21/75) — July 2020
    __ _

    Now do the media
    _

    harkin (25433a)

  30. i wonder

    whom will mr. trump the president, who sold his house sold his car bought a ticket to the west coast, blame that he lost to somebody who did not know what office he was running for?

    all the people who do not love him enough, i bet

    and he will be right

    this is not an election like other elections

    it’s a referendum on trump and trump alone

    nk (1d9030)

  31. Special glow, are you kidding me? Forget about the multiple stories that Trump wanted to display a Superman t-shirt when he left Walter Reed hospital.

    At his first rally, post-release, the theme song was “Macho Man” by the Village People. He might have well chosen “YMCA.”

    Does anyone not know what these songs mean? The Village People were a gay band. “I want to be a mucho, macho man” means he wants to be to dominate male in a homosexual relationship. “I want to live at the YMCA,” means he wants access to young boys that he can dominate and molest.

    And this is the theme song for a Trump rally? Think about it. By using this song, he wants to appear as the dominate male, molesting younger males.

    Is this you? Are you going to bend over and submit to butt-rape for a political party?

    It is all so disgusting. It is all so contra-conservative. But it is what the GOP nominated and elected. And now Republicans have to deal with the consequences.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  32. Trump’s glow.

    Rip Murdock (a9a78d)

  33. Biden says he’s ‘not a fan of court packing’
    Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, who for weeks has avoided saying whether he supports expanding the Supreme Court, said Monday that he is “not a fan” of the idea that has gained steam in his party’s liberal wing.

    “I’ve already spoken on — I’m not a fan of court packing. But I’m not — I don’t want to get off on that whole issue,” Biden said in an interview with WKRC TV in Cincinnati. “I want to keep focused.”
    …….
    …….. During the Democratic primary, Biden came out against doing that.

    “I think it’s a bad idea,” he said in August 2019 during a trip to Iowa. “It will come back to bite us. It should not be a political football.”
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (a9a78d)

  34. This is obviously God’s Grace being manifested about Trump, as befits His warrior in these dark times.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  35. @35 the left base has another idea joe. 25th amendment. AOC would be running to primary schumer if roe vs wade is overturned. Democrat establishment would be completely discredited (they were in 2016 ;but saved by black southern women voters in sc primary. Remember if democrat establishment is repudiated there will nothing stoping the left from eradicating conservatism. Democrat establishment has been protecting conservatism since 1932 when the communists wanted to shoot you!

    asset (8d760a)

  36. @28. You both get credit for a smooth and classy post… Listening to the Mills Brothers is like watching someone pour a good scotch into a cut glass tumbler.

    _______

    @30. No, Dustin. That isn’t stupidity.

    It’s senility.

    And if you’re a honest w/yourself– it’s terrifying.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  37. Youth and capability aren’t on the ballot. The election is about how low our moral character can go.

    Rubbish.

    1. ‘Morality’ is a transient. Hell, JFK chased skirts all day but his religion and divorce fears were the red flag of his time; fast forward a decade or two to Reagan, who’d knocked up Nancy w/Patti, was divorced from Wyman yet elected a governor and CIC– twice.

    2. ‘Youth and capability’ are the engine that drives the United States; it’s what we’re all about. Trump’s rallies are energetic; fun. Biden’s reflect a popular TeeVee show of his youth: Tombstone Territory.

    The magic of America is how it remakes itself, every 25 years or so with fresh generations and new horizons while resisting the staid easy-chair-comfort of complacency. Unless, of course, you’re frozen in Plagiarist JoeyBee’s Scranton of 67 years ago– with bobbysoxers, rotary phones, nickel Cokes, Uncle Miltie on the DuMont in the department store window and your Pop’s used ’53 Buick, bought from the car lot run by Joey’s Daddy, with the AM radio DJ declaring, ‘that rock ‘n’ roll has got to go.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  38. Is no comrade suspicious that the oldest and most vulnerable sufferer of the Rose Garden minidemic is the first to recover?

    Comrade General Secretary is already explain:

    “I’m back because I’m a perfect physical specimen and I’m extremely young.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  39. “I’m back because I’m a perfect physical specimen and I’m extremely young.”

    LOL

    “Shine little glow worm; glimmer, glimmer…” 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. 2. ‘Youth and capability’ are the engine that drives the United States; it’s what we’re all about.

    Nice thought, but it’s still not on the ballot. Trump is not young and he is not capable. He has run this nation into the ground.

    Trump’s rallies are energetic; fun

    No they aren’t.

    ‘Morality’ is a transient

    Speak for yourself! I think Trump represents the absolute worst the democratic party is capable of producing. Such a fake, such a con, that he successfully pretended to be a Republican despite having absolutely nothing in common with any republican president in the nation’s history, and I do mean nothing.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  41. “I’ve already spoken on — I’m not a fan of court packing. But I’m not — I don’t want to get off on that whole issue,” Biden said in an interview with WKRC TV in Cincinnati. “I want to keep focused.”
    …….
    …….. During the Democratic primary, Biden came out against doing that.

    “I think it’s a bad idea,” he said in August 2019 during a trip to Iowa. “It will come back to bite us. It should not be a political football.”
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (a9a78d) — 10/12/2020 @ 10:25 pm

    He’s trying to be the blank slate Obama was. Kevin and Dave have both mentioned that Trump has lost a powerful reason to vote for him, now that he delivered a conservative Court. Biden gets it. He’s not going to promise not to deliver the left what they want, and he’s not going to promise the middle that he’ll destroy the independence of the Court.

    It’s one of many ways Biden has run for office like a coward.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  42. @42. Except it is.

    And yes, they are; they are colorful and entertaining.

    Joey’s Tombstone Territory; not so much– and in b&w.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  43. I’ve already spoken on — I’m not a fan of court packing. But I’m not — I don’t want to get off on that whole issue,” Biden said in an interview with WKRC TV in Cincinnati. “I want to keep focused.”

    And as God is his witness, he thought turkeys could fly. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  44. A reasonable proposal for an amendment to reform the Supreme Court confirmation process at National Review:

    1) 18-year term limits for justices
    2) Super-majority is required to reject a nominee

    The latter is motivated by the realization that we are rapidly approaching the point where senators from the party opposing the president vote against nominees regardless of qualifications.

    Dave (1bb933)

  45. Pedophilia along with baby parts harvesting by planned parenthood are just two of the shocking issues biden/huh voters agree with. It is a reflection of a deeply sick problem with all the biden/huh voters. What biden/huh voters think of children is again sick.. Whether it’s age of consent, family law, adoption procedures, sexual education, sexual media aimed at younger and younger children, the forced exposure to sexually confusing material, such as putting condoms on bananas in grade school or lies about sexual reality. And abuse. The biden/harris voters have shown a consistent eagerness to force adult bs onto children who are too young and innocent to understand.

    mg (8cbc69)

  46. And as God is his witness, he thought turkeys could fly.

    Where is Jennifer Marlowe when you need her? She’d put Biden in his place quickly and firmly.

    Demosthenes (5f62f9)

  47. mg (8cbc69) — 10/13/2020 @ 4:17 am

    Tyler co, TX has issued an indictment against Netflix.
    A month later, what does it matter? Nothing to see here because “everybody’s doing it.”/sarc

    felipe (023cc9)

  48. Is there any abomination netflix will not endorse under new management, felipe.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  49. Do you think the people waiting in line in GA to vote are motivated by Trump’s Glow?

    Not to judge a book by it’s cover but they don’t look like Trump voters. Maybe they’re some of those shy Trump voters we’re hearing so much about?

    538 has GA as a toss up. It seems like an unlikely win for the Dem’s but stuff like this makes me think it’s possible.

    Either way it’s pretty sad that the US election system is such a mess that people who show up this early have to wait this long.

    Time123 (ea2b98)

  50. Texas is close also, but the state government is taking steps to make sure that it’s not too easy to vote.

    But talking about being able to vote should include some discussion of election integrity. In CA we finally have some evidence of a wide spread and organized violations of election law. It’s just that it was done by the Republicans.

    Time123 (7cca75)

  51. “It looks like I’m immune for, I don’t know, maybe a long time, maybe a short time,” the president said. “It could be a lifetime. Nobody really knows, but I’m immune.”

    Are some of the doctors he’s talking to not realizing that the antibodies he has are probably mostly from the Regerneron cocktail of two different neutralizing antibodies that were administered to him at the White House before he went to Walter Reed?

    They indeed should give him passive immunity and last fot only about four months, but it’s become the practice also to say that somebody who recovered on his own could have immunity for only a few months and that’s mostly nonsense. Besides antibodies circulating in the blood there is immune system memory (which does fade maybe over time, and can be partially wiped out by some infections, such as measles. And if you didn’t rely on immune system memory (for which there is no test to detect, except a challenge test) all vaccines would give immunity only for a few months.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  52. 5. I think the White House said a couple of days ago he’s not taking any medications for coronavirus.

    He only got their steroids in the hospital. They’re indicated when someone has a very strong immune response, but did they not know about the antibodies he got before he was admitted to the hospital? Or was there some other reason for them?

    The white House mentioned only 3 medications – the antoodies (for preventing loose virus from infecting clls) the remdisivir (for preventing or interfering with infected cells from producing new virus particles and the dexamethasone (for calming down a overactive immune system and I would think maybe preventing someone from becoming long hauler)

    They didn’t confirm leaks or off the record revelations about zinc, melatonin, Vitamin D, and I think another vitamin and some other drug maybe too.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  53. There’s so much nonsense circulating – and I’m talking about mainstream outlets.

    Just this morning I heard a radio story saying that there was a study saying that the virus could survive for at least 28 days on some kinds off surfaces (non-porous ones) The reporter then added but it’s not in quantities large enough to infect (should be to get someone sick) Then either she or the main news person added that’s a reason to clean. No, it’s a reason not to bother with cleaning!

    Didn’t they listen to what she said in the news report? Not enough to infect.

    They just want to uphold the official recommendations whether they are right or wrong and whether they are a significant factor or not, and neither do they want to add to the official recommendations. Because it’s either 3 feet – for a direct cough or sneeze or strong push of air – or it’s maybe 150 feet in still air. Not 6 feet. Six feet maybe can be used for measuring close contact to ONE infected person, and the standard length of time used is 15 minutes.)

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  54. Gawain’s Ghost @33. I don’t agree with your interpretation of those two Village People songs (the four-year olds at my daughter’s pre-school loved dancing to “YMCA”), but music is evocative more than it is anything else so whatever strikes your chords.

    However, it is eyebrow-raising to hear them played at Trump’s rallies because, not to put too fine a point on it, they do mock Trump’s tough guy act. A Fifth Avenue fancy boy who couldn’t eat the skin off a baked potato playing a macho man. Are his campaign organizers that … tone deaf?

    BTW, did you know that although the original concept of The Village People was an all-gay boy band, when it was finally formed, the only gay guy in it was the Indian? All the rest were just passing?

    nk (1d9030)

  55. In his radio interview on the Rush Limbaugh show Friday, Trump said:

    https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2020/10/09/mega-maga-the-largest-radio-rally-in-history

    RUSH: I’ve been reading that you got a hacking cough and that your voice is hoarse —

    THE PRESIDENT: No, no, no.

    RUSH: — and you sound perfectly normal to me.

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, there’s always that little, lingering thing for a couple of days. But, no, I have a… My voice is now perfect. I mean, for a couple of days, you know it’s called the lingering thing. If you have hay fever, if you have something be you have that, too, a little bit. But, no, this is the most amazing thing that’s happened, and I was asking the doctors today — 11 guys, great people, the heads of the biggest hospitals.

    It’s amazing. I guess the president has a lot of power, but everybody shows up. “What do you do?” “I’m the head of Johns Hopkins,” or (chuckles), “I’m the head of…” It’s always like that, but they’re very brilliant people, and I said, “How bad was I?” They said, “You could have been very bad. You were going into a very bad phase.” So it wasn’t like it was just gonna be like with the kids where they get it and they get sniffles and they’re better two days later, right?

    This looks like it was gonna be a big deal — and you know what that means, right? That means bad, ’cause I’ve lost five people, at least five people that were friends of mine. One in particular, like, an incredible guy who went in there, went into the hospital; he was dead within three days.

    And I’m just saying that we have something that will cure this now. And a cure. And without us, without the Trump administration, this would never have happened.

    We poured money into these cures, and we poured money into the vaccines. And the vaccines are coming along great, Rush. I mean, the vaccines, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, Pfizer, they’re all coming along great. They’re a little bit political. They’re afraid it’s gonna go too fast and I’ll get credit for it before the election.

    ….But we’ve done a great job. But this is a groundbreaker.

    RUSH: That’s another thing: This massive remobilization of America.

    THE PRESIDENT: Oh, it was amazing.

    RUSH: Yeah.

    THE PRESIDENT: One of the biggest — I guess the biggest, they say — since the Second World War. But you know what? This is the biggest of all. If the Regeneron and the Lilly-comparable drug turns out, this is a cure. This is a therapeutic, call it what you want. I can tell you it’s a cure, and I’m talking to you today because of it, you know, ’cause I think I could have been a bad.

    I could have been a bad victim. I fit certain categories (chuckling) that aren’t so great, okay? And you better be careful, too, okay? But you won’t… I’m telling you, this is a total game-changer. It’s so good. And nobody else would have had it. You know, FDA is approving things in one week that used to take three years. And that’s only because I’m bugging them like crazy.

    You know, I go… I drive ’em crazy, I guess, but that’s okay. But FDA, Food and Drug Administration, is approving things that, Rush, would have taken years and I’m getting them in a matter of weeks and months, and they’re great things. But this is the greatest of them all if this works out, and I’m very sure it’s going to.

    RUSH: Well, I hope it does

    Rush, for once you should believe him. Trump is not making any of this up.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  56. Except for the idea that the FDA has gone from 3 years to one week.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  57. I dunno, Sammy.

    and I was asking the doctors today — 11 guys, great people, the heads of the biggest hospitals.

    When did Trump learn to count to eleven, and that’s just for starters.

    nk (1d9030)

  58. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/13/2020 @ 2:41 am

    His assertion that the voters don’t have a right to know his position is a pretty extreme version of blank slate. He’s said something similar about his COVID plans but the press hasn’t pushed on that. He’s also taken both sides on the Green New Deal, guns, and other topics. Do you really know what his policies will be or have you convinced yourself that anything would be better no matter what it is?

    frosty (f27e97)

  59. Apparently they are all in on the old man who doesnt even know what race he is running

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  60. What with all the gushing over at American Pravda, no wonder there’s a “glow”.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  61. The Mills Brothers are great.

    DRJ (aede82)

  62. we are rapidly approaching the point where senators from the party opposing the president vote against nominees regardless of qualifications.

    That would be Democrat Senators, Dave — exclusively. Kagan and Sotomayor were confirmed by comfortable margins.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  63. No matter damage they did to the constitution, how ignorant sotomayor clearly was

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  64. Do you really know what his policies will be or have you convinced yourself that anything would be better no matter what it is?

    Biden is weak so I hope he will be as inept as Trump in decision-making and day-to-day governance, and thus will also have trouble implementing his agenda (whatever it is). In the meantime, I hope the GOP challenges Biden’s leftist policies, returns to fiscal restraint and other conservative principles, and supports better candidates.

    DRJ (aede82)

  65. Frankly gorsuch and kavanaugh were dissapointments they drew from the same poisoned barrel of clerks

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  66. We don’t know what Trump’s policies are, either, unless “seven come eleven, baby needs new shoes” is policy.

    nk (1d9030)

  67. Kind of surprised no post on the hearings for the proposed next SCOTUS justice….

    harkin (25433a)

  68. Theyll open that box of chocolates in time. Harkin.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  69. Somebody else counted the number of doctors probably ad told it to Trump, or discussed it among themselves in front of him, probably repeatedly mentioning the number 11.

    And it wasn’t the number of doctors, who were there but the number of doctors listed on a piece of paper.

    I don’t think too many people, not just Trump, are going to count the number of doctors in front of them, at least when it gets past six or seven. Trump anyway remarked on how everybody showed up – which means the number 11 comes from a scheduled appointment.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  70. If DCSCA thinks Barrett’s earrings clash with her wedding ring, he can tell us on any thread.

    nk (1d9030)

  71. Also nothing about the Dems’ and court-packing….

    Strange days indeed.

    Most peculiar mama.
    _

    harkin (25433a)

  72. Sammy, I seriously doubt that any of those consulting physicians (whatever the number, it was my way of saying “Don’t believe anything Trump says!”) actually examined Trump, and no way they ran their own lab tests. They just looked at what Trump’s doctors and other medical personnel who are in on the hoax had written in the chart.

    nk (1d9030)

  73. Kind of surprised no post on the hearings for the proposed next SCOTUS justice….

    Because it’s kabuki theater? The only power the Dems have is their allotted time to speak. McConnell might as well get it over with and confirm her.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  74. is assertion that the voters don’t have a right to know his position is a pretty extreme version of blank slate. He’s said something similar about his COVID plans but the press hasn’t pushed on that. He’s also taken both sides on the Green New Deal, guns, and other topics. Do you really know what his policies will be or have you convinced yourself that anything would be better no matter what it is?

    frosty (f27e97) — 10/13/2020 @ 7:17 am

    I wouldn’t say “anything” would be better. Just that Biden would be better than Trump. Trump’s awful and I consider this assertion to be plainly obvious.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  75. You have to ask yourself how you feel about the peaceful transition of power or the Proud Boys or maybe the Kurds and NATO, how you feel about North Korea’s new missile, or how you feel about Trump’s insane deficit spending.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  76. Trump also claimed (elsewhere earlier I think when he got out of the hospital) that he’d learned a lot – “gone to school” on this.

    The surprising thing is that he didn’t know all this very well before.

    Here he again on the Rush Limbaugh show:

    …And our vets have a 91% approval rating, the highest we’ve ever had in the VA. You don’t hear those bad stories about the VA anymore like you used to, and now they get immediate doctor attention if they have to wait on line. But that’s so many different things right to try where they can try medicines and I can sort of give you an example of that with the COVID.

    Because I was in not great shape and we have a medicine that held me, that fixed me. It’s a great medicine, and had I not gotten it, Rush, it would have been in line for another year, probably, before they brought it out.

    No, it was headed for approval sooner than that. If it wasn’t they wouldn’t have had a ready supply. Trump actually was pushing it, but apparently it didn’t stick in his mind as a priority. He was fccused more on a vaccine. But he did make a call or two about it, And I don’t know how much he will speed it up now. And the companies actually don’t like his testimonial so much because to some people that would be an anti-testimonial.

    Continuing..]

    Great company — two great companies, actually, make it — you know, make very similar things. But they both work equally well. And we’re gonna send it… We’re already sending it starting the process. Hundreds of thousands of vials are being sent to the hospitals all over the country. People are gonna get immediately better like I did. I mean, I feel better now than I did two weeks ago.

    [Trump is more honest here. Elsewhere, he said better than he did 20 years ago.]

    It’s crazy. And I recovered immediately, almost immediately. I might not have recovered at all from COVID.

    To me, it’s the biggest story. But the press doesn’t even want to report that. They talk about the vaccines. And the vaccines are very important, Rush. But this is more important because we can go in the hospitals and clean out the hospitals literally with people that… The vaccines are very important. It’s a different stage.

    The question is: How long will Trump remember this? Because it’s true.

    RUSH: Well, yeah, this is the antibodies that you speak of.

    THE PRESIDENT: This is the antibody. This is the antibody, and Regeneron. It’s the most unbelievable thing I’ve ever seen. And I had a meeting with doctors today. You know, it’s always… The good thing about when [y]our[‘re sic] president, 11 doctors show up, and they’re all the head of Johns Hopkins and this and that. They’re great people. But Walter Reed is an incredible place. These 11 guys came in today.

    They showed me stats. It’s amazing. I don’t know I would have… [survived] I don’t know that… You know, I was not in the greatest of shape. A day later I was fine, maybe [not] perfect, but I was fine. But a couple of days later…[he was prefect] Now I’m free. I’m… You know, I feel perfect. I have no… [Trump can’t find the word he wants -SF] I’m not taking anything. You know, I’m off any regimen that they gave me, but it was primarily this one drug.

    And we’re sending that and the Eli Lilly version of it, which is very similar. We’re sending that to all of our hospitals. We’re gonna get people better. We gotta get it there fast. That’s why I’m doing an emergency use authorization. I gotta get ’em to approve it really fast.

    I gave them my numbers to put in with the other numbers that they already have, which are very good, excellent, and it’s… You know, it’s the most amazing thing — and it’s not Remdesivir. Maybe that helps a little bit. But Remdesivir is not the same thing. This is stuff that is so good. It just wiped out the virus. It wiped it out —

    Trump is actually telling the truth here. Complete with the downplaying of Remdesivir. He must have talked to really good doctors.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  77. If DCSCA thinks Barrett’s earrings clash with her wedding ring, he can will tell us twenty times on any every thread.

    Fixed!

    Dave (1bb933)

  78. And without us, without the Trump administration, this would never have happened.

    Sammy, do you seriously believe that no one but Donald Trump could possibly have motivated medical scientists to work rapidly on finding remedies for the disease he kept saying would just miraculously disappear?

    Should the guy who says “I take no responsibility at all” for anything bad that happens on his watch be given exclusive credit for everything that goes right?

    Radegunda (bb2719)

  79. By the way, Regeneron said it would make it available for free, but the question is how much of it is there?

    This would ruin vaccine trials, because in the vaccine trial, at least five people who took the placebo vaccine have to get very seriously ill – and of course any person enrolled in the trial would have to get the very best treatment….

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  80. The surprising thing is that he didn’t know all this very well before.

    What is surprising about Trump taking no interest in anything until it affects him personally? He is certainly not known for intellectual curiosity or for diligent study of briefings.

    Radegunda (bb2719)

  81. 83. Radegunda (bb2719) — 10/13/2020 @ 8:24 am

    Sammy, do you seriously believe that no one but Donald Trump could possibly have motivated medical scientists to work rapidly on finding remedies for the disease he kept saying would just miraculously disappear?

    No, Trump is not exactly claiming that – he’s claiming that without him bgging them things wouldn;t have gotten to this point. he Federal government advanced money. Now it could have gone even faster. He wasn’t doing what Dr. Scott Gottlieb was pushing for earlier this year.

    There’s not enough of it manufactured yet.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/09/dr-scott-gottlieb-coronavirus-antibody-drugs-wont-end-us-epidemic.html

    I think these drugs will make a meaningful difference for people who are the highest risk of having a bad outcome,” Dr. Scott Gottlieb said of coronavirus antibody treatments.

    “But this is not going to end the epidemic. [this year] This is not going to be wildly available to everyone,” he told CNBC.

    Gottlieb said the U.S. should try to develop a national strategy to expand manufacturing capacity.

    Trump is blissfully unaware that, even if the FDA gives its approval for emergency use, there’s probably note enough if it around.

    But Trump, or his administration, did a whole lot more than what Joe Biden gives the impression he would have done because all Biden wants to do (he claims) is listen passively to the scientists.

    But that’s done. By January 20, the momentum for the antibody treatment will be all but impossible to stop.

    Trump’s probably right about the Democrats trying to delay any announcement of a cure or a vaccine past the election

    Should the guy who says “I take no responsibility at all” for anything bad that happens on his watch be given exclusive credit for everything that goes right?

    No, but he can get partial credit, especially when pthers would not do it. And get blame for not doing more.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  82. we should all rejoice in the new glow of our president mr donald also known as trump who is transitioning to greatness

    he’s one step closer to the dream of being the first person to win both miss universe and the noble prize

    his dreams are failmericas dreams

    a blessing from god indeed

    Dave (1bb933)

  83. No, Trump is not exactly claiming that

    But he does have a history of claiming that he is uniquely able to solve problems (“I along can fix it”) and that he does everything better than anyone else. So while there may be a plausible contextual reading that is narrow and specific, anyone who has listened to Trump for very long has to know that his essential meaning was broad and sweeping.

    especially when others would not do it

    We don’t know that others would not have done it.

    I don not blame Trump for things he did not actually cause. But his general attitude of “I should get credit for everything good, and never blame for anything bad” makes me reject his supporters’ demands to praise him (and never blame him).

    Radegunda (bb2719)

  84. he’s one step closer to the dream of being the first person to win both miss universe and the noble prize

    At a rally, he whined about how the news had been heavily focused on an incoming hurricane when he thought they ought to be highlighting the fact that someone had nominated him for a Nobel prize. He said it was proof of media bias.
    Why should people have cared so much about a stupid hurricane anyway, when the glory of Donald Trump was the real issue?

    Radegunda (bb2719)

  85. No, but he can get partial credit, especially when pthers would not do it. And get blame for not doing more.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/13/2020 @ 8:40 am

    I’m confident this drug would have been developed without Trump’s personal research assistance, though I agree that the existence of hundreds of thousands of more American fatalities provided more data.

    But there’s something morally satisfying about telling someone who would not have accepted bad credit he also cannot accept good credit.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  86. 77. nk (1d9030) — 10/13/2020 @ 8:02 am

    Sammy, I seriously doubt that any of those consulting physicians (whatever the number, it was my way of saying “Don’t believe anything Trump says!”) actually examined Trump, and no way they ran their own lab tests.

    Nobody does. a nurse does that. or some other person.

    They just looked at what Trump’s doctors and other medical personnel who are in on the hoax had written in the chart.

    How would Trump get many people to participate and why would they do it?

    What happened to Trump is perfectly consistent with other things I’ve read and the hesitancy about it gives it added credibility. What’s not right is the high level of proof required.

    Trump taking credit laat Friday:

    I’m telling you, this is a total game-changer. It’s so good. And nobody else would have had it. You know, FDA is approving things in one week that used to take three years. And that’s only because I’m bugging them like crazy.

    You know, I go… I drive ’em crazy, I guess, but that’s okay. But FDA, Food and Drug Administration, is approving things that, Rush, would have taken years and I’m getting them in a matter of weeks and months, and they’re great things. But this is the greatest of them all if this works out, and I’m very sure it’s going to.

    Of course it hasn’t gone from three years to one week. and Trump got doverted into focusing almost entirely on vaccines.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-05/u-s-should-build-up-antibody-therapy-supply-ex-fda-chief-says

    We need a more coordinated national strategy around this,” ex-FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday.

    Gottlieb said the U.S. government could encourage drugmakers to curtail production of less essential medicines for a time, in favor of making more antibody treatments now.

    A handful of drugmakers and academic centers are racing to test new antibody treatments from the blood of recovered Covid-19 patients. Eli Lilly & Co. and Regeneron Pharmaceuticals Inc. are in the lead of developing so-called neutralizing antibodies that can mimic immune responses to the virus, and may report some of the first results in the third quarter….The government should be working with companies ahead of time to make sure enough supplies are available, the former FDA head said. “That’s what should be happening, particularly around the antibodies. We missed the window to do it on remdesivir,” he said referring to Gilead Sciences Inc.’s drug that received the agency’s emergency use authorization in May.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-04-20/antibody-treatments-may-be-the-best-hope-against-the-virus-until-a-vaccine

    ….Regeneron’s drug cocktail could be tested in humans by summer and be saving lives by fall.

    [And it did. Case in point: Donald Trump.

    His illness could maybe speed things up a bit.. But its use was far from routine. It;s still in clinical trials. They made a rare exception for Donald Trump. A rare exception because if they make it available even for emergency use, who’s going to take the placebo?

    Donald Trump still doesn’t understand half of what’s going on. And Biden is hopeless on this.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  87. Trump’s probably right about the Democrats trying to delay any announcement of a cure or a vaccine past the election

    I don’t doubt that. But I’m also certain that “before the election” is the only metric that matters to Trump. He has pretty much said so. When has he ever shown any empathy for the people who suffered and did not get the same medical interventions?

    Radegunda (bb2719)

  88. Trump has been more a hindrance than help, in fact he has been active saboteur, opportunist, and profiteer, against Covid-19. He deserves no credit for anything.

    Out of respect for the Office of the President, though, we should consider a silken rope and not one of hemp, when we hang him for mass murder. And a sword, not an axe, if we behead him. It’s a venerable tradition in Anglo-Saxon law.

    nk (1d9030)

  89. This should give Trump a “glow”, and I agree with their ruling:

    The Supreme Court on Tuesday put an end to a lawsuit brought by congressional Democrats that accused President Donald Trump of violating anti-corruption provisions in the U.S. Constitution with his business dealings.

    The justices refused to hear an appeal by 215 Senate and House of Representatives Democrats of a lower court ruling that found that the lawmakers lacked the necessary legal standing to bring the case that focused on the Republican president’s ownership of the Trump International Hotel in Washington.

    The place to curtail Trump’s business dealings is legislatively, not judicially. Congress has the power under the Constitution to constrain Trump’s financial interests by passing a law, but they took the coward’s way out and punted to the courts.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  90. But I’m also certain that “before the election” is the only metric that matters to Trump.

    And why would a vaccine be ready in 7-8 months? How is that possible without cut corners? Trump’s been selling cure after cure, from HCQ to Formula 409, and his latest Regeneron looks a lot like one of his WWE stunts. Is that metal chair really smacking the undertaker if Donald Trump, Real Estate Genius is wielding it? Was Trump really sick and therefore proof COVID is cured?

    The democrats get no credit here. But it’s not really a ‘both sides are kinda shameless’ situation. Trump really screwed his big crisis up.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  91. But there’s something morally satisfying about telling someone who would not have accepted bad credit he also cannot accept good credit.

    Between “I alone can fix it” and “I take no responsibility at all,” it’s hard to find a place where I can give Trump unconditional praise for anything.

    Radegunda (bb2719)

  92. 95. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/13/2020 @ 9:35 am

    Was Trump really sick

    Yes. Trump has never carried out that kind of an elaborate hoax, nor is he capable of it.

    and therefore proof COVID is cured?

    An n=1 situation can never establish proof. </b?

    But it actually is of value in Bayesian analysis.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  93. Nobody does. a nurse does that. or some other person.

    Doctors have to order the tests before nurses or technicians perform them, Sammy.

    DRJ (aede82)

  94. Out of respect for the Office of the President, though, we should consider a silken rope and not one of hemp, when we hang him for mass murder. And a sword, not an axe, if we behead him. It’s a venerable tradition in Anglo-Saxon law.

    This is America; here, we tar and feather royalist traitors.

    Dave (1bb933)

  95. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/13/2020 @ 8:12 am

    You have to ask yourself how you feel about the peaceful transition of power

    This is a bogeyman in your own mind. There is no non-peaceful transition of power. It may be delayed and it may involve the courts but there’s no version of the Marines baracading the WH after the election has been decided.

    the Proud Boys

    You mean the group that is so full of white supremacists that some of the chapters are majority minority?

    maybe the Kurds

    What exactly is Biden going to do different? Wait, I remember, he’s pro-war so more soldiers dying for no stratigic reason other than we just can’t let Putin smile.

    NATO

    Putin is smiling again? Why exactly are we dumping money into NATO?

    North Korea’s new missile

    You mean the one they haven’t tested?

    how you feel about Trump’s insane deficit spending.

    About the same as I feel about any given D’s deficit spending. Also, about the same as I feel about the D’s not reaching a COVID deal because they couldn’t funnel more money into corrupt programs.

    I’ve noticed you’ve stopped mentionining the “obvious” collusion with Russia that happened right in front of our eyes.

    Harris is full BLM/A and Biden says a racist thing once a week and he’s been saying them for years but he’s better than Trump because of the Proud Boys? Biden wants to gut the energy industry and spend trillions doing it but he’s better than Trump because deficit spending?

    When you add in his stance on abortion, the 1st and 2nd amendment, there’s no moral basis for picking Biden over Trump. If you like his policies, whatever you think they might be, more power to you but that’s the only rational basis for picking him.

    But I made it to the end of this comment before I remembered that you’ve said before, and you make it clear otherwise, that you really don’t need a rational basis to oppose Trump and support whoever is on the otherside. Which makes me wonder why we have these back and forths.

    frosty (f27e97)

  96. Radegunda (bb2719) — 10/13/2020 @ 9:36 am

    Between “I alone can fix it” and “I take no responsibility at all,” it’s hard to find a place where I can give Trump unconditional praise for anything.

    Unconditional praise? If you’re looking for someone to give unconditional praise you shouldn’t waste time on politicans.

    frosty (f27e97)

  97. That’s true, Frosty. One problem with Trump is that he’s just so bad at this, so loud and obnoxious, we can forget that all politicians are pretty slimy at that level. There’s a reason Mitch Daniels didn’t bother. Who watched Trump and his fanatical idiot supporters tear down Ted Cruz’s parents and wife and that shy daughter photo and thought, hey, I really want to do that to my loved ones?

    Very few good people, perhaps none, choose that. It’s just too selfish.

    I still consider Trump to be the nation’s enemy, not its friend, making this an easy election choice.

    But I made it to the end of this comment before I remembered that you’ve said before, and you make it clear otherwise, that you really don’t need a rational basis to oppose Trump

    Can you quote me on that? It’s really bizarre that this is your reply to me stating specific and objective policy problems with Trump. I’ve been concerned about the nation’s deficit on this very blog for years and years. Trump is objectively the worst president on spending. Therefore this is a pretty rational basis, yet you reply saying I apparently didn’t have one.

    When you add in his stance on abortion, the 1st and 2nd amendment, there’s no moral basis for picking Biden over Trump.

    Trump’s been all over the map on both. He’s encouraged gun grabbing and praised planned parenthood, raised cash for them. I guess if this is all you care about, current Trump has the edge if you trust him to keep promises. How could anyone in 2020 say Trump keeps promises? He promised three major things. 1) Wall. 2) balance the budget. 3) No obamacare. That was his platform. He didn’t do that stuff.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  98. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/health/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-optimism.html

    …The next step is pharmaceutical interventions.

    Some are already modestly successful, such as the antiviral drug remdesivir and steroids like dexamethasone. But in the near distance are what Dr. William Schaffner, a preventive medicine specialist, has called “the cavalry” — vaccines and monoclonal antibodies. They are likely to be far more effective….

    …..Events have moved faster than I thought possible. I have become cautiously optimistic. Experts are saying, with genuine confidence, that the pandemic in the United States will be over far sooner than they expected, possibly by the middle of next year.

    That is still some time off…

    ….Another good omen: Although in the spring health experts were fearful that a bad winter flu season could send thousands of patients to hospitals, all competing for ventilators and medical attention, the possibility of a “twindemic” of coronavirus and influenza now seems far less likely.

    Flu is “seeded” in the United States each year by travelers from the Southern Hemisphere after the winter there ends. But this year their flu season was almost nonexistent — because they were socially distancing and, in some countries, wearing masks…. [Duh. What prevents the spread of the coronavirus, prevents flu too]

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  99. Continuing:

    …Another intervention that might make a big difference is monoclonal antibodies.

    Two weeks ago, most Americans had no idea what they were.

    I did. So did Simon Jester.

    Now, President Trump is touting them as his “miracle cure” and, whether or not he is ultimately cured, monoclonals are famous.

    That attention could speed up their clinical trials, which had been delayed. (Many patients declined to volunteer, preferring to not risk being given a placebo when instead they could receive convalescent plasma, which Mr. Trump was promoting in August.)

    And how would that speed up aclinical trial, when Trump wants to make it available without any trials?

    Are the Democrats going to insist that people be forced into trials with a 50% chance of getting a placebo? I’d like to see Biden take that position, if Trump knows how to argue it. Trup is capable of dropping the argument.

    Continuing with trials is unethical at this point. Or would be, to any impartial person.

    But experts believe that the antibodies could prove far more effective than plasma. Last year, in the Democratic Republic of Congo, monoclonal antibody cocktails proved 90 percent effective at saving Ebola victims from death.

    Antibodies for ebola, of course. The principle is the same.

    It might be more effective because the antibodies might be administered sooner and are more effective than random antibodies from recovered patients. Trump wants to donate his own plasma by the way. It might work, even though it would be mostly secondhand. Trump will probably be talked out of it.

    But this approach has limitations. It is believed to work only if administered soon after infection,

    Nonsense, but how good it is ought to depend on the dosage and how fast the virus multiplies. Ebola is fast. Nothing, by the way, prevents doctors from giving a second dose, except in a clinical trial, where it might violate the rules.

    and monoclonal antibodies are hard to produce

    Nothing like a vaccine

    and expensive, at least at the moment.

    They’re free! At least at the moment.

    If the treatment becomes popular, demand will quickly outstrip supply, forcing health officials to make hard choices.

    Just give them to those most at risk – and politicians and those politicians lobby for. Some will lobby for race based preferences supposedly to compensate for higher infection rates. But give them.

    Don’t not give them because you’ll have to ration them at first.

    They’ll most likely ration them by hospital, and let the hospital decide. Hospitals may use a weighted lottery.

    Early testing in animals and humans suggests that a dose a fraction the size of the one Mr. Trump received can protect an uninfected person against the virus. If that finding holds up, the antibodies could be used like a fast-acting vaccine, lasting just a month or so but providing a crucial “bridge” to the arrival of the new vaccines.

    Well, it will be hard to determine how long the protective effect lasts at particular doses.

    It makes sense to give this to airplane travelers and people who work in crowds.

    But if you’re estimating one month it’ll have to be given once a month for many months.

    By the way, the vaccine, depending on the principle it’s based on, may not work on somebody who’s been given those monoclonal antibodies in the previous few months.

    Such a treatment could protect people at highest risk, such as health workers and nursing home residents. Or, in a “ring vaccination” strategy, antibodies could be given to the household contacts of known cases. Ring vaccination was how smallpox was defeated.

    Right, right, right, right right. And do that with the antibodies. People in the same household can’t isolate from each other easily.

    But the number of doses will initially be limited, and choosing to use antibodies for prophylaxis over treatment may be frowned upon by medical ethicists.

    First of all, who are these medical ethicists and why should we listen to them? Secondly, you just said we need a lot smaller dosages for prophylaxis. And if you don’t use it for prophylaxis, you’ll soon have more people to treat!!

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  100. But the alternative to being vaccinated is to risk a nearly 1 in 100 chance of death,

    A 1 in 100 chance, if infected and that varies widely by age.

    Many economists think our national recovery will be rapid, like those that followed the first and second world wars, rather than what followed the financial crashes of 1929 and 2008

    There was actually a V-shaped depression – they used to call what we now call a recession a depression before 1937 – in 1920-22. During which prices dropped nearly 50%. The Great Deflation. Which you probably never heard of.

    Remember, Harry Truman’s haberdashery (ancient word for men’s clothing store) went bankrupt during that time.

    And once the pandemic is over, one more mission lies ahead: to make sure this does not happen again. We must search for the viruses in nature that are most likely to infect us…

    That’s maybe what China did.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  101. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/13/2020 @ 1:05 pm

    Can you quote me on that?

    You mean can I find a quote that you’ll say I shouldn’t take seriously since you didn’t? Probably. Most of what you’re calling policy issues aren’t, the ones that are, like spending, you’re picking a guy promising to outspend the guy you’re currently saying is spending to much. You undermine your own argument that you care about policy there.

    The only real policy issue I heard was pro-war. I agree Biden is pro-war and if your into that he’s your guy.

    Therefore this is a pretty rational basis, yet you reply saying I apparently didn’t have one.

    The reason it seems bizarre might be because it isn’t what I said. Once again your imagination is getting the better of you. What I said was

    you’ve said before, and you make it clear otherwise, that you really don’t need [one]

    I didn’t say you didn’t put a rational reason in that comment. My question was why do you try to rationalize your emotional response when you’ve said you don’t need to.

    frosty (f27e97)

  102. frosty (f27e97) — 10/13/2020 @ 6:29 pm

    I agree Biden is pro-war

    He’s not pro war. He is so not pro war he didn;t support the raid on the house Osama bin Laden was living in ltouh maybe he later changed his story) He was for splitting Iraq into 3 pieces. He started with the anti-Vietnam War movement, The fact that he may have voted for authorization of the second Iraq war doesn’t make him pro war. Many Democrats didn’t want to be on the wrong side of that issue, especially those contemplating running for president. Biden is for peace plans that won’t work.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)


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