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10/8/2020

Pelosi Is On The Move

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:45 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Getting her ducks in a row:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., plans to introduce legislation Friday that would create a “Commission on Presidential Capacity,” which would be involved in presidential transfer of power procedures under the 25th Amendment.

The legislation would create the commission “to help ensure effective and uninterrupted leadership in the highest office in the Executive Branch of government,” Pelosi’s office said in a news release.

Asked whether she thought it was time to invoke the 25th Amendment because of President Donald Trump’s illness, Pelosi said she didn’t want to talk about it right then.

“If you want to talk about that, we’ll see you tomorrow,” said Pelosi, who then questioned why the White House has refused to reveal when the president had his last negative Covid-19 test.

In an interview immediately after her press conference, Pelosi suggested that the president may not be thinking clearly because of the drugs he has taken while being treated for the disease.

“The president is, shall we say, in an altered state right now,” Pelosi said on Bloomberg TV. “I don’t know how to answer for that behavior.”

She continued, “There are those who say when you are on steroids or have Covid-19, there may be some impairment of judgment.”

(Yes, but that doesn’t cover his pre-Covid ‘impairment of judgment’…)

Anyway, in response, Trump did all he could to convince everyone that he really isn’t crazy in an altered state:

My God, if this crap doesn’t come to an end pretty soon, we’re all going to be clamoring to find our own altered states in which to cocoon.

Stay tuned…

–Dana

93 Responses to “Pelosi Is On The Move”

  1. I am honestly concerned about what happens on the streets if Trump wins and Biden loses? And what happens if Biden wins and Trump loses (and refuses to step down)? What sort of madness will consume American voters if their preferred candidate loses?

    Dana (292df6)

  2. Crazy Nancy is the one who should be under observation. They don’t call her Crazy for nothing!

    Your typical third grader would have come up with something more clever than that.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  3. Altered state: Mine was New Mexico.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  4. Nancy Pelosi is not a doctor, but she is quite the showman.

    Hoi Polloi (acf0e3)

  5. This kind of strikes me as akin to Hairy Reed’s eliminating the filibuster for federal judges. At the time it seemed so slick and perspicacious — right up until the moment when Cocaine Mitch logically extended it to Supreme Court nominees.

    The 25th Amendment isn’t intended to be used for “the President seems to be fuzzy-minded these days” or “the President has a bad case of food poisoning and has to lie in bed for a few days.” It was meant for situations in which the President is truly incapacitated: he has a stroke and is comatose, or he has a bad case of the clap and is raging at clouds like Al Capone reportedly did in his finals days. If Pelosi makes this apply to situations where it is believed the President might have a serious illness but is otherwise functional, right as a 78-year-old from her own party is set to be elected to the office, she might live to regret it.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  6. I am honestly concerned about what happens on the streets if Trump wins and Biden loses?

    Well, I’m pretty sure that Trump will refuse to transfer power in that case. If this leads to violence on the streets, I would hope that it is treated in the EXACT same manner as Pelosi would want Trump’s minions treated if they took to the streets with a Biden victory.

    Remember back in 2016, when Hillary was all over the Donald about not disputing his upcoming loss, then she spent quite some time disputing her loss (and thee are commenters here who still dispute it).

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  7. I am honestly concerned about what happens on the streets if Trump wins and Biden loses?

    You should be concerned because the armed militias of the Democrat Party – BLM and Antifa – will burn every city in America.

    Hoi Polloi (acf0e3)

  8. Temporary transfers of power are different than succession.

    The 25th Amendment provides for the VP becoming the Acting President with the possibility, if not the expectation, that the President will return to duty. Nothing in the amendment says who might follow the VP as Acting President. I’m not sure if there is some legislation that defines that, as it does succession. Putting members of the Legislature in the sequence for Acting President seems ill-advised for three reasons:

    1) They are not necessarily of the same party as the existing administration and could not easily lead such,
    2) They would still have to resign as they cannot hold two postions under the US Constitution, and
    3) There is motive for mischief.

    As far as 25th Amendment “Acting President”, the Secretary of State should follow the VP, just like Haig said it should.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  9. the armed militias of the Democrat Party

    How things change. It used to be the KKK.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  10. Did the klan have a 2 billion war chest.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  11. The motivation here seems weird.

    Nancy is good at her job, so it’s strange that she isn’t following the axiom of getting out of the way when your opponent is screwing themselves over.

    Trump, yes, seems slightly stranger than normal, but it doesn’t seem like he’s too OTT (for Trump).

    It could just be self aggrandizement, but she’s not one of the worst about that and she was just in the news a couple of days ago when Trump was refusing to negotiate further on Covid relief and could easily have extended that and added popularity.

    I wonder what she knows that we don’t that makes this seem like a good idea to her.

    Nic (896fdf)

  12. How things change. It used to be the KKK.
    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/8/2020 @ 7:05 pm

    The Democrats have always had their armed militias. And they have always had the media carrying their water to ensure most people don’t know this.

    Hoi Polloi (acf0e3)

  13. Pelosi has five kids and six grandkids. She knows how to handle children. She’s playing “got your nose”, to make Trump squeal.

    nk (1d9030)

  14. FBI must be too busying busting a militia in Michigan to worry about dozens of Antifa cells. But at least Reason did some digging…

    https://reason.com/2020/10/02/the-conservative-trans-woman-who-went-undercover-with-antifa-in-portland/

    Hoi Polloi (acf0e3)

  15. @15 I think you might be on the wrong blog entry.

    Nic (896fdf)

  16. I wonder what she knows that we don’t that makes this seem like a good idea to her.

    Maybe she’s hearing word that the young radical left vote is nowhere near as motivated to vote for Biden as pollsters have been led to believe, and she’s afraid they’ll go third-party or not bother to vote at all.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  17. @17 Maybe? But this doesn’t seem like a move designed to energize them. I would think student debt or similar would be the move there, energizing for them and unlikely to turn off their parents.

    Nic (896fdf)

  18. Civil War II in either case.

    Rip Murdock (82f8fa)

  19. Progs support black block, they call dissident voices ‘enemies of the state, they are toying with soviet style psychiatry it all runs together

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  20. But this doesn’t seem like a move designed to energize them.

    Maybe she thinks they are energized when she needles him. Who knows what goes on in either her or Mr. Trump’s minds.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  21. @21 she could be trying to energize them by driving Trump entirely out of his mind, but it would be a risky strategy. She’s have to calculate how far to go very very carefully.

    Nic (896fdf)

  22. All you have to do is to remember from [is it 7th grade these days, Mr. Nic?] how a bill becomes law to know that Pelosi is just needling Trump. And I don’t wonder what’s in it for her, I ask what’s the downside for her? Who’s gonna hold it against her?

    nk (1d9030)

  23. @23 8th grade US history, 11th grade US history, 12 grade US government. 😛

    I wonder because it takes attention away from Trump imploding when the Dems should want all the attention to be on Trump imploding.

    Nic (896fdf)

  24. I don’t see the point of this.

    Nothing can happen under the relevant Section (4) of the 25th Amendment without the VP’s concurrence, and Pence made it clear last night that there will be no peaceful transfer of power after they lose.

    Dave (1bb933)

  25. Pelosi may be right that Trump is impaired, but all she’s doing is engaging in political theater. A 25th Amendment solution can only happen at the instigation of the VP and cabinet.

    Paul Montagu (ae5011)

  26. She has time to waste on this ‘crap’ but no time to “negotiate” and get Covid relief to the people of America.

    She’s so full of ‘malarkey,’ Joey might just get his Irih up an invite her down behind the high school gymnasium for a good ol’ hair-dressing-down and learn her some… “manners.” But at least she wears a dress- eh Kamala?! 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  27. I assume the senate is under no obligation to take up such a bill (as they are, as I understand it, articles of impeachment). Unless they are, it’s also not going to succeed as means to hang a pro-lunacy vote around the necks of vulnerable GOP senators.

    Dave (1bb933)

  28. The Brits do this better; this old broad would have been ‘retired’ out of party leadership the day after she was ousted as Speaker.

    Both these political parties blow. They’ve done more damage to America in the past four decades that the old Soviets, the new China and all remaining, retired living Nazis in Argentina could have dreamed.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. She has time to waste on this ‘crap’ but no time to “negotiate” and get Covid relief to the people of America.

    Your guy Trump, in a drug-addled stupor, unilaterally cancelled negotiations until after the election.

    Dave (1bb933)

  30. And what happens if Biden wins and Trump loses (and refuses to step down)?

    Another QAnon riot, obviously.

    Maybe Trump has an “insurance policy” involving the DOJ to gum things up for two years. That should sit well with a ton of folks here.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  31. @30. My guy? Davey, never forget: Trump is a Reagan Creation.

    He. Is. YOU.

    He was quite lucid on Hannity tonight for nearly 45 minutes.

    Your guy won’t answer questions because he’s afraid his answers will ‘be an issue printed in the newspaper.’ Apparently multiple brain surgeries enhance the idiocy in a 78 year old who crows about speechifying to the dead at old battlefields about the “future.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. Pence made it clear last night that there will be no peaceful transfer of power after they lose.

    Don’t be absurd. No one is going to commit treason for the Donald.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  33. And what happens if Biden wins and Trump loses (and refuses to step down)?

    It’s a fever dream of the left. They do this a lot then use their dream to justify themselves doing the same thing later.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  34. @34. More closer to reality: –what happens if Biden wins and drops dead celebrating his 78th birthday in November? He’s not sworn in— and you face the terror of a probable President Harris?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. @4. You mean showgirl.

    And aging ones like Gypsy Rose Lee end up as mindless game show panelists for $300/appearance.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. This year feels different because Trump told some of them to ‘stand by’. He also has refused to promise a peaceful transition. That’s amped up both sides of the nut farm.

    It strikes me as irresponsible of Pelosi to screw around with this stuff. We’re about to vote on who the president is. If that’s not who I vote for, so be it. Like JVW says, the 25th amendment isn’t about having side effects from COVID meds. Pelosi is trolling, I realize, but it’s not helping the country.

    We know who the candidates are. We are ready to say which we find least bad.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  37. It’s a fever dream of the left.

    It’s more than just the left. And when the President of the United States refuses to assure a peaceful transfer of power if he loses, it’s no fever dream to take him seriously.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  38. He. Is. YOU.

    Personal attacks, Deezy-eska?

    Your guy won’t answer questions because he’s afraid his answers will ‘be an issue printed in the newspaper.’

    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, like Biden, than to speak up and remove all doubt, like your guy Trump.

    You could learn a lot from Biden.

    In this case, there is zero upside for Biden to demoralize the left wing of his party before they vote for him.

    He’ll break the bad news to them in the euphoria after Trump concedes, is carried out of the WH, or flees the country, and the political cost to him will be negligible. It will also be obvious by then that the incoming Dem senate majority of a few seats is much too small to eliminate the legislative filibuster, much less pack the court.

    Dave (1bb933)

  39. @39. You think ‘Reagan Creation’ is a personal attack, eh Davey??

    That’s quite the guilt trip tell.

    Just apologize to America for 1/20/1981 – 1/20/1989 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. @39. You could learn a lot from Biden.

    No.

    Certainly nothing about Scranton. And I’ve been to Gettysburg.

    But you may end up learning a lot from him– the hard way. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  41. Pelosi is trolling, I realize, but it’s not helping the country.

    And when was the last time she did? When she was ousted as Speaker.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, like Biden, than to speak up and remove all doubt, like your guy Trump.

    Plagiarist JoeyBee needs to acknowledge that “Packo Court” is not one Hunter’s cocaine suppliers, legal slang from Better Call Saul nor the name of a cooker on Breaking Bad.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  43. Just apologize to America for 1/20/1981 – 1/20/1989 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/8/2020 @ 11:35 pm

    Oh yeah, we sure are sorry you didn’t have President Carter for longer.

    🥜

    Also, this kid over here does not like sleep.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  44. Maybe she’s hearing word that the young radical left vote is nowhere near as motivated to vote for Biden as pollsters have been led to believe, and she’s afraid they’ll go third-party or not bother to vote at all.

    I have seen news reports saying Biden’s polling is not showing any love from the progressive wing; rather, his gains against Trump have come from old white voters.

    Nancy probably knows this. If this stunt doesn’t work, maybe she’ll dress in all black and wear a neck goiter with the anarchist A on it.

    Hoi Polloi (acf0e3)

  45. And what happens if Biden wins and Trump loses (and refuses to step down)?

    Another QAnon riot, obviously.

    Maybe Trump has an “insurance policy” involving the DOJ to gum things up for two years. That should sit well with a ton of folks here.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 10/8/2020 @ 10:12 pm

    Amazingly the DOJ isn’t able to quickly find and release evidence of wrongdoing that’s so obvious to people here.

    Time123 (36651d)

  46. This move by Pelosi is either brilliant in a way I can’t see. Or complete stupid posturing. My money is on the later.

    Time123 (36651d)

  47. Late at night, when things are real,
    And Nancy takes the whip down from the shelf,
    Don puts on his leather Depends,
    And gets down on all fours to abase himself.

    Cause “Palomino” never happens without setup,
    Presidency versus Speakership,
    Leather corsets and golden showers,
    To spice up a senile relationship.

    nk (1d9030)

  48. You keep falling for the banana

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1313488568925511685

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  49. …in the tailpipe? At first it was the detective in this scene, now its Cameron, Scott, Carson and Hot Girl from Baltimore that have to put up with that sass.

    urbanleftbehind (8db8d0)

  50. I witnessed somewhat similar behavior when my mother was undergoing chemotherapy last year.

    Some time in late 2018 she found a lump on her right breast. I don’t know when, because she didn’t tell me about it. If she had, I would have immediately taken her to the hospital for a biopsy. In that case, a simple lumpectomy would have sufficed to prevent what followed.

    Instead, she thought she could treat the lump with Neosporin. Unbelievable, but that was the way she was. She thought she was invincible. She didn’t get sick. “I kill germs with my mind,” she would say. In fact, when she had a chest x-ray in her fifties, the doctor detected a tuberculosis scar in her lung. She must have contracted that disease as a young girl, when my grandmother was suffering from it. But she herself did not have tuberculosis; somehow her body killed it. That’s what made her feel invincible. What’s a breast lump to her? Something that can be treated with Neosporin.

    In early 2019, it had developed into an oozing sore. That’s when she told me about it. I took her to the hospital for a biopsy, but by then it had advanced to third stage breast cancer and had metastasized to the lymph nodes in her underarm. The treatment required weekly chemotherapy for three months, followed by a mastectomy and lymph node removal.

    He appointments were on Tuesdays, and the treatment took about four hours, all afternoon. I drove her to and sat with her through every one. I took a book to read, because she mostly slept through it all.

    There were three drips she had to be hooked up to–chemo, saline and steroid. The chemo didn’t really affect her that much, but the saline made her pee more often than not. The steroid, however, really jumped her up.

    Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, she would be out and about, working like a madwoman, driving all around everywhere. I kept telling her to stop, slow down, rest, relax, recover–if you need to go anywhere or do anything, I will drive you and help you. That’s what I’m here for, right?

    But she didn’t listen to me. No, she would just get up and go, without telling me. I never knew where she was on any given day. It was insane! She could be upstairs, at the office, or at any number of properties spread out over hundreds of miles. I didn’t know, and I couldn’t control her. She was of her own mind.

    That all changed in early 2020, when the coronavirus pandemic hit. The county commissioner issued a lock down. The federal government ordered a moratorium on foreclosures. That made it almost impossible to show and sell houses, and because she specialized in repossessed homes, she wasn’t getting any assignments.

    I’m convinced that’s what killed her. She always said, work is life. She believed that if she stopped working, she would stop living. And that’s what happened. She couldn’t do the job she loved, and her health rapidly deteriorated. Then she died.

    Let this be a cautionary tale. You don’t mess around with cancer. Early treatment is the only remedy. I did everything I could, and could have done more, but she was headstrong and determined, all the way to her unfortunate death.

    Do you see the parallels here? You don’t treat breast cancer with Neosporin. You don’t wait until the last minute to receive proper treatment. You don’t run around on a steroid rage, ignoring all consequences. You just don’t. It will kill you.

    Much the same is happening with Trump. Everything is speculative, because everything that comes out of the administration and medical staff is a lie, but if he really did suffer from Covid-19, then the wild concoction of unapproved anti-virals and experimental drugs and steroids has put him in an “altered” state. His behavior over the last week is inexplicable.

    https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/10/08/altered-state-tomorrow-going-talk-25th-amendment-says-pelosi/

    Pelosi is being precautionary.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  51. The Vice President and the cabinet declare the President unfit. Congress gets involved only when the President declares himself fit and the Vice President and the cabinet disagree:

    Da coup:Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
    Da counter-coup:Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.
    Da battle:Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

    This is not something for Trump to worry about. It’s something for Biden, and those who are thinking of voting for Biden, to worry about.

    So, yeah, I’ve changed my opinion, and join the folks here who think that this is noncupatory on Nancy’s part.

    nk (1d9030)

  52. Lisa eilbacher was cute, whatever happened to her.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  53. Someone needs refresher courses on schoolhouse rock.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  54. Sunny McSunnyface
    @sunnyright
    ·
    BIDEN: I won’t answer your question on a critical issue because people might not like it and I want to win

    MEDIA: Okay yeah that makes sense it might become distracting
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  55. Dang, BDG, we tend to sniff around the same places.

    urbanleftbehind (8db8d0)

  56. Pelosi’s 25th amendment legislation won’t pass the Senate and would be vetoed, so *right now* it’s just a political stunt, trying to remind people that Trump is not well.

    But long term, some sort of codification of a process for dealing with an incapacitated President who won’t give up power and who is surrounded by officials who aren’t willing to pay a political price for *temporarily* removing an incapacitated President is … a good structural improvement to the system.

    Trump should absolutely have turned power over to Pence temporarily while he was in the hospital and while he was under the influence of drugs which are known to cause delusions and hallucinations in a small number of patients. The fact that he didn’t, and he got away with it, suggests that there’s a systemic flaw which needs patching.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  57. It would take a Constitutional Amendment, aphrael.

    nk (1d9030)

  58. Maybe, nk, in which case we should pass it.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  59. Less than 30 days to the election with lots of noise and static– we’re in the ‘dead man’s zone’ aka “Biden Time”:

    One of the major difficulties during the lunar landings for the flight controllers was how to cope with what was known as the ‘dead man’s zone’ – a term NASA didn’t like and tried to discourage. This was defined as the period towards the end of the descent when there was no way of aborting the flight in the event of a mishap.

    “Be quiet, Charlie, and let’em land.” – Deke Slayton, 7/20/69

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  60. My God, if this crap doesn’t come to an end pretty soon, we’re all going to be clamoring to find our own altered states in which to cocoon.

    This was the real GOP mistake — allowing Trump to even compete for their nomination. Just imagine if George Wallace had won the Democrat nomination in 1972 (probably couldn’t happen, but getting shot made that certain). Or Pat Robertson winning the GOP nomimation in 1988.

    And, having done so, they could not unite to stop him, like the Dems did with Bernie.

    This has been a 4-year crap fest, as predicted. The GOP has found itself unable to get any leverage on Trump or his mob and, at every turn is face with the same question: “Oh, sh1t, do we have to back him on this, too!?”

    And it may linger. Not only ex-President Trump, but his ghost eventually. Look how long Juan Peron has affected Argentina.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  61. As someone who disliked Trump’s partisan critics more than I disliked Trump (so long as Trump’s more noxious supporters didn’t weigh in), this has been a TERRIBLE four years. I look forward to a clean dislike of the coming regime.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  62. Kevin, you’re right. Trump is an opportunity for the worst folks on the left. He has opened doors and muddied waters about power, spending, ethics.

    Playing Pelosi’s idea straight, as if it were a sincere idea, it just means presidents would hide routine treatment. Since a lot of presidents have medical problems, secrecy around them creates vulnerabilities. If Trump is nutty today on his meds, it’s 99% because he’s nutty off them. And this is not the role of the legislature.

    The process seems very flawed, but actually we’re about to get a correction. Why should Pelosi be involved if America re-elects Trump? If that happens, the problem isn’t Trump.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  63. and when they’ve backed the court, ended fracking and confiscated guns, you’ll do what,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  64. I’ll definitely say I told you so. Trump was going to lead to a crazy shift left and be a total disaster.

    Look, I know the democrats are similar to the republicans. For every bounty on a US Soldier’s head that Trump didn’t care about, Obama sent a gazillion bucks to the people making IEDs in Iraq. It’s a very frustrating situation.

    But the party faithful has to get a grip. A nice leader with character, who tries to work with the other side, that’s gold. George W Bush, for example, seemed too liberal to a lot of people. Rick Perry said ‘have a heart’ and was demolished for it.

    We need to look at these guys with no executive record, who promise us the moon, as more than dishonest. They are going to be a disaster.

    And we need runoff elections in primaries. That alone would solve most of this. Add in some term limits and federal freshness standards for grocery store donuts and the USA would be a paradise in 30 minutes.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  65. I deleted a link to a post written by someone who has been banned here.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  66. @66 you understand that these are not things that are going to happen, right?

    Packing the court is something the dramatic end of the Dems might talk about in the moment, but there isn’t really any political will to do so and there certainly aren’t anywhere enough votes to do it either.

    Likewise with fracking. It may get some regulations, but it’s very highly unlikely that it will be ended.

    All the guns are definitely not going to get confiscated. That isn’t happening now under even the most restrictive state laws, it’s certainly not going to happen nationally. The Dems are making a big push for Texas, might have tipped AZ, and currently have CO and NM. Those are all big gun states. At most we’d see some regulations around the edges.

    Nic (896fdf)

  67. @66 you understand that these are not things that are going to happen, right?

    I was sad to see this and then realized Patterico’s deletion offset all the comments by one while you typed your comment. I am curious if runoffs in primaries is conceivable. I know it ain’t cheap but I wouldn’t mind a wholesale reboot of the election process.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  68. @58

    Trump should absolutely have turned power over to Pence temporarily while he was in the hospital and while he was under the influence of drugs which are known to cause delusions and hallucinations in a small number of patients. The fact that he didn’t, and he got away with it, suggests that there’s a systemic flaw which needs patching.

    aphrael (4c4719) — 10/9/2020 @ 10:09 am

    No, that ain’t it chief…you’re trying to Mt. Everest an anthill.

    Fun whembly fact: I work with pharmacists on a team of 10 and I’m only 1 of 2 team members who are not pharmacist (I’m the techie/geek of the team).

    Dexamethasone is a COMMON medication and the concerns regarding “the influence of drugs which are known to cause delusions and hallucinations in a small number of patients” is laughable. The dosage required to reach that sort of side effects is massive.

    The standard regime for treating dexamthasone for covid is nowhere near where the providers would be concerned for any side-effects.

    whembly (c30c83)

  69. Fun whembly fact: I work with pharmacists on a team of 10 and I’m only 1 of 2 team members who are not pharmacist (I’m the techie/geek of the team).

    That’s a tough job these days!

    Dustin (4237e0)

  70. Dustin, what do you think about the following:

    (a) instant runoff voting / ranked choice voting (as is in place in Maine and under consideration in Mass)?

    (b) California/Washington’s top-two primary system?

    aphrael (4c4719)

  71. >The standard regime for treating dexamthasone for covid is nowhere near where the providers would be concerned for any side-effects.

    This is inconsistent with what the health care professional (with prescriber priviliges) I live with tells me. I’m going to believe her rather than an internet stranger. :)

    aphrael (4c4719)

  72. @69 Oops, sorry, yes, my comment @68 should be pointed @65 (all those @ s 😛 )

    I imagine it could happen, probably with relative ease since it would just be internal party methodology changes, but each of the parties would have to change their selection system. It would be an interesting experiment, certainly.

    Nic (896fdf)

  73. Nancy Pelosi’s comment about the 25th amendment just tells you that the Democrats are already plotting to get Trump out once he wins.

    On the Rush Limbaugh show, Rush said, IIRC, that it was Biden that Nancy was thinking of pushing out of the way, and Trump seemed to agree.

    There;s a defect in the 25th amendment that Dick Cheny became aware of. If a vice president became disabled but did not resign there’s no provision for replacing him, and if then a president became incapacitated and did not himself declare he was disabled, there is no provision for an Acting president, because the consent of the vice resident is required to invoke it.

    If an attack or disease incapacitates but does not kill the president, and kills or incapacitates the vice president, the executive branch of the U.S. government is decapitated and we’re in a situation like that when Woodrow Wilson had his stroke in 1919 or worse.

    No bills can be signed or appointments made.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  74. 66. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/9/2020 @ 12:40 pm

    And we need runoff elections in primaries.

    We need presdential canddates not to drop out of the race. And have the ability to enter late as they could until 1968.

    We already have a runoff.

    It’s the convention.

    Maybe require 62% to get the nomination? At least for the first two days. But then we’ve got to stop this enormous vetting of the vice president.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  75. @44. What? Pshaw! You think GHWB couldn’t have saved America from Voodoo Economics? 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  76. Aphrael, I think the top-two could lead to some very interesting general contests. I’m imagining Bernie and Cruz continuing to campaign all the way to the general election against Trump and Hillary. I would love that I am much more likely to get an option I find palatable on election day. I am concerned that the nature of politics, internet validation of extremism, parties lacking any credibility, leads to a plurality movements that do a poor job representing our values generally.

    I don’t know if the top-two would solve that, though I do consider it an improvement in the moment I am typing this.

    I like the notion of instant run-offs. I actually think our whole balloting system needs to be remade completely. I just messed with my investments and paid all my bills online. A bunch of people just took their bar exam over the internet. It is possible to match the authentication of paper ballots with an online system. It wouldn’t be perfect, but I think this permits a better system where we can look up all these candidates we aren’t familiar with, where we can have a runoff easily. I would add in that our tax returns should just be an IRS web app that is easy to fill out and free, without this middle man stuff. I’ve always thought we should just vote on tax day.

    Many systems today, text spam, online proctoring for education, finance websites, and voting, could benefit from a real system for authentication of identity online.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  77. (b) California/Washington’s top-two primary system?

    It;s not working.

    The same system will be used in Georgia’s United States Senate election for the seat Loeffler occupies.

    I say put enough candidates into the runoff ti equal 62% if the vote and have as many runoffs as necessary till someone gets 50%.

    We’ll have instant runoff next year in New York City primaries. Today is the last day I think for anyone to change parties.

    Whatever system is used I don;t think Harold (Heshy) Tischler, a (I guess) modern Orthodox Jew with a radio show somewhere who’s become the leader of up to 500 Hasidic protesters against cronovirus restrictions in Boro Park, will make it.

    Earlier he headed ParkBusters which broke open city parks that the city had closed, and I think he may have ranged far afield in Brooklyn.

    Newspapers are describing him as a candidate but don;t say on what party or district (I think it’s +be a 2-year term in the old districts) he intends to run. Kalman Yeager is one of the few City Council members not term limited.

    I don;t think he’s honest. Even when he’s right, he’s looking for a confrontation, not to win.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  78. 64. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/9/2020 @ 12:18 pm

    Kevin, you’re right. Trump is an opportunity for the worst folks on the left.

    Their first priority will be appointing enough Supreme Court justices to overturn Citizens United and restrict ndependent speech about politicians, especially around elections, not to mention what they’ll get Facebook and Twitter to do. They’ll use the excuse of saying that saying things promotes violence.

    That and a green energy bill that promotes reducing ventilation in buildings (just what the doctor ordered for Covof-19. NOT) and maybe pro crime legislation will cause the Democrats to lose control of the Senate in the 022 elections, but that won;t enable anyone to repeal what they will have done.

    He has opened doors and muddied waters about power, spending, ethics.

    Trump gets freely criticized – and slandered too.

    The Democrats won’t allow that.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  79. > It;s not working.

    Depends what you think the goal was.

    There were two major goals: give the state’s large unaffiliated-with-a-party population a say in candidate selection, and force candidates in districts with a large partisan imbalance to play to the center because it’s no longer true that winning the primary means winning the general (because two candidates from the same party can go to the general).

    The first happened, by definition, and the second *appears* to have happened in the *state legislature*.

    I think it hasn’t worked well in statewide races, as opposed to state legislative races.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  80. >. It is possible to match the authentication of paper ballots with an online system.

    Speaking as a software engineer — this is a terrible idea. Unless we’re going to adopt super complicated systems nobody will understand, online security is tied to *identity*. We don’t know how to have an online election which is both anonymous (so nobody can find out or track how you voted) and secure (so nobody can change your vote without you knowing).

    Yeah, banking systems, etc, are secure — but they’re not anonymous.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  81. I saw Baseball crank make the observation that this was Pelosi laying the groundwork for Harris to push Biden out of the way. Good Conspiracy theory!

    But seems unlikely. If Biden is as diminished as they claim he’s more useful as a figurehead to calm the moderates.

    Time123 (b0628d)

  82. 83. I think it’s just Pelosi trying to strengthen the impression among some people that Trump should not be president so they’ll vote for Biden.

    It’s nothing serious. Indeed, what could she do? Only come up with proposals for another constitutional amendment to supplement the 25th..

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  83. Speaking as a software engineer — this is a terrible idea. Unless we’re going to adopt super complicated systems nobody will understand, online security is tied to *identity*. We don’t know how to have an online election which is both anonymous (so nobody can find out or track how you voted) and secure (so nobody can change your vote without you knowing).

    Yeah, banking systems, etc, are secure — but they’re not anonymous.

    aphrael (4c4719) — 10/9/2020 @ 1:44 pm

    I agree something’s gotta give there.

    But then let’s give it. Let’s not just keep doing it as we’ve always done it, in light of the unacceptable problems that brings.

    If you can transfer your whole life savings, buy a car, and take a bar exam online, you can vote online. It is possible to do it. Someone would necessarily need to verify who you are, therefore anonymity can’t happen, really. There can be privacy rights like we have in many areas, but I don’t think it would be totally anonymous. I think that’s OK.

    I could pay you for your vote today if you have a mail ballot so I just don’t see the net harm.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  84. @81 I think part of the problem, as well, is that the national R party either doesn’t know or doesn’t care how to shape an R and an R campaign for the west Coast. Their politics are shaped for (some of) the middle of the country and the Old South. What an R looks like in CA can be very very different from what one looks like in Kansas or Alabama or even N. Carolina. You can see the work the Dems did to shape their candidates to the district in the last congressional election. The Rs haven’t been terribly interested in that, at least recently.

    Nic (896fdf)

  85. dems are always whining, back in 2000 and 2004, and 2016, when they win in 2006 and 2008, we’re told to treat them like royalty, with obama pretensions?? of godhood, in 2012, of course, lena durham made an even more personal entreaty if you catch my drift,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  86. 12. Nic (896fdf) — 10/8/2020 @ 7:17 pm

    Nancy is good at her job, so it’s strange that she isn’t following the axiom of getting out of the way when your opponent is screwing themselves over.

    She may be interested in down ballot races. and in blaming Trump for the lack of a Covid stimulus bill, when actually she’s holding it hostage to a huge wish list.

    Or they are really worried that Biden could lose or cause himself to lose.hat could also explain shooting for a big wishlist now.

    The one thing this is, is that it is not serious. It just sounds l

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  87. 85. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/9/2020 @ 2:42 pm

    There can be privacy rights like we have in many areas, but I don’t think it would be totally anonymous. I think that’s OK.

    The australian (anonymous) ballot = and the word ballot itself means secret – is atradition since the 1880s.

    I could pay you for your vote today if you have a mail ballot so I just don’t see the net harm.

    That’s why many states have aws against collecting many absentee ballots

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  88. I don’t think Nancy’s 25th amendment ploy is directed at Trump. Oh sure the media and she say it is and if they could use it they would, but I think they are prepping for a Biden win and know that they are going to need to use it sooner than later due to Biden’s deteriorating mental state. It doesn’t make sense because we have a 25th amendment and it’s clear, but adding a few footnotes to it makes it easier to accomplish with less being put out there for the public to digest and realize how they’d been deceived throughout the campaign.

    Marci (405d43)

  89. This post should be updated with this.
    I know this is red meat for the maga crowd but come on! After watching the first debate I don’t think there is any way Biden could keep up with the demands of the office of the President. Having to be woken at all hours of the night then have meetings and press conferences the next day. I’m not going to comment on his mental capacity because I don’t think he ever had the mental capacity to be President. He was lying through his teeth when ran for President in the 80’s. Saying he got 3 degrees while in law school when he only came out with a law degree. Then saying he graduated at the top of his class when he really graduated at the bottom. Biden has a long history of lying.

    ah-non-ee-mouse (e2ed1b)

  90. President Biden Jan 20, 2021 – Jan 21, 2021

    From the link:

    Yep, they are going to use Joe to get President Harris.

    Trust me, the day after the electoral college is decided for Biden is when we will see questions about his fitness and cognition start to be discussed by the media.

    This setup is transparent.

    If they can’t convince you to vote for a Leftist like Harris, they will find any way to weasel her in.

    Horatio (ee6d08)

  91. Marci (405d43) — 10/9/2020 @ 9:05 pm

    I find your argument persuasive, Marci. Thank you for making it.

    felipe (023cc9)


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