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10/5/2020

Kayleigh McEnany, White House Spokesliar, Positive for COVID

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:30 am



She’ll be fine. Still:

She did not wear a mask while speaking with reporters yesterday:

Meanwhile:

I should mention that the NRSC collected data off of texts sent to people reminding them that they had not signed Trump’s and Melania’s get well card. You’re asked to enter your cell phone (optional) and email address, as well as your name and ZIP code. You consent to future contacts which will include several pleas for money. I did a Twitter thread about it after being alerted by a longtime and valued reader.

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148 Responses to “Kayleigh McEnany, White House Spokesliar, Positive for COVID”

  1. Drip, drip, …

    Dave (1bb933)

  2. Gee! That’s too bad!

    nk (1d9030)

  3. Poor Jim Acosta. Probably wet his pants…

    Hoi Polloi (2f1acd)

  4. This is just a bit too convenient.

    But whatever. I myself cannot join in with people celebrating political opponents contracting disease (and I do not accuse anyone of doing so here, but the things on social media are shameful). Still, the laser like focus on this issue is very strange to me. I mean, there wasn’t much interest in unmasked people during protests, for example. Hmmm.

    It’s all about narrative.

    Normally, I swear under my breath about a system that put DJT in there. But then I remember how the media acted toward any right of center candidate since before Reagan.

    A pox on all them.

    Simon Jester (41c481)

  5. I guess Barr will be next?

    Dave (1bb933)

  6. More karma. She won’t be the last.

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  7. I mean, there wasn’t much interest in unmasked people during protests, for example. Hmmm.

    From what I’ve seen, Simon, a significantly higher percentage of protesters on the left have worn masks than on the right. Montagu Jr. is still going down to Seattle for one causey cause or another, and more than once they’ve shamed him into masking up.

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  8. Does one invite karma by invoking karma on Trump administration people?

    Let’s just note that Trump and his followers have resisted medical guidance and now this happens.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  9. Luckily, Patterico found out about this before he signed the card.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  10. Never let a crisis go to waste.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  11. like alexandria, which was just a coincidence, again,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  12. I hope she recovers quickly.
    I hope she didn’t pass it along before she knew she was contagious.
    I wish this WH were honest enough that we could believe what they say about these things.

    Time123 (653992)

  13. This is just a bit too convenient.

    But whatever. I myself cannot join in with people celebrating political opponents contracting disease (and I do not accuse anyone of doing so here, but the things on social media are shameful). Still, the laser like focus on this issue is very strange to me. I mean, there wasn’t much interest in unmasked people during protests, for example. Hmmm.

    It’s all about narrative.

    Normally, I swear under my breath about a system that put DJT in there. But then I remember how the media acted toward any right of center candidate since before Reagan.

    A pox on all them.

    Simon Jester (41c481) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:44 am

    Great comment, as usual. As much as I dislike Trump, frankly down to my bones, if I am pleased he is sick, I would be reducing my own humanity. And politics these days is great at doing that.

    I hope Trump loses this election in excellent health.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  14. they called us ‘gusanos’ for not going along with that revolution, that is the same sentiment that saturday night live broadcast on saturday, they called out daniel cameron, for following the law,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  15. I wish this WH were honest enough that we could believe what they say about these things.

    Time123 (653992) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:17 am

    Good point. All we know of her is how intense she is about lying for Team Trump. It’s frustrating how they need credibility a lot today, but just don’t have it. The spread in this group is so fast and extensive that it’s clear they were totally incompetent on matters relating to COVID.

    The post mentions Trump has an advantage because he got sick, so he knows this disease better than a team that has avoided it. Amazing.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  16. Why worry? She is a low-risk for dying person. Yes, she might spread it to other people, but that’s their problem.

    fred (e4db21)

  17. Why worry? She is a low-risk for dying person. Yes, she might spread it to other people, but that’s their problem.

    fred (e4db21) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:24 am

    The one big trick the WH is playing is with the timeline. You don’t know that Hope Hicks got it first and spread it to everyone, for example.

    There are a ton of older folks in the press pool and working at the white house, tons of secret service, staff. It’s actually my problem that the administration is crippled. It’s a problem that our enemies are aware of. Think about it. The White House’s incompetence is a national security problem.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  18. very thoughtful of miss kayleigh to reassure us that being sick at home wont stop her from lying fulltime for mr president donald

    that sort of dedication should be an inspiration to us all

    in a crisis like this failmerica can ill afford to have some inexperienced kelly girl lying to us

    Dave (1bb933)

  19. @4

    This is just a bit too convenient.

    But whatever. I myself cannot join in with people celebrating political opponents contracting disease (and I do not accuse anyone of doing so here, but the things on social media are shameful). Still, the laser like focus on this issue is very strange to me. I mean, there wasn’t much interest in unmasked people during protests, for example. Hmmm.

    It’s all about narrative.

    Normally, I swear under my breath about a system that put DJT in there. But then I remember how the media acted toward any right of center candidate since before Reagan.

    A pox on all them.

    Simon Jester (41c481) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:44 am

    That’s pretty much where I’m at.

    I just refuse to reward Democrats (and their propaganda arm, the media) any of my votes. They’ve done ZERO to earn it, and really EARNED that I shan’t vote for them.

    Do I wish we had someone other than Trump?

    Yep.

    Am I going to vote for Trump as a tactical maneuver so that Democrats don’t get power?

    Over broken shards of glass if I must.

    whembly (c30c83)

  20. Joe Biden
    @JoeBiden
    ·
    Imagine a future where:

    – Health care is a right
    – We end the gun violence epidemic
    – We combat climate change
    – Our government works for everyone

    It’s a future that we can build — together.
    __ _

    Frank J. Fleming
    @IMAO_
    ·
    I’d like a president who knows you can’t invent rights.
    __ _

    Vincenzo
    @Rosaesque
    ·
    What have you been doing for 47 years?

    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  21. Why worry? She is a low-risk for dying person. Yes, she might spread it to other people, but that’s their problem.
    How charitable.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  22. “He has experience — now — fighting the coronavirus as an individual.”

    Cool.

    Let’s give him experience fighting unemployment as an individual too.

    Dave (1bb933)

  23. Hold your breath: ACB & hubby were the only people certain to have been exposed to the bug in July, infected and ‘recovered.’ The Notre ‘Dame’ and brood showed up unmasked for intimate mtgs., and at her Rose Garden Bugfest.’ Data on post-infection carriers is… spotty.

    Poor judgement all around?!?! Okay- exhale. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  24. Use of Dexamethasone to Treat Trump Suggests Severe Covid-19, Experts Say
    …….
    The president’s medical team also said that he had been prescribed dexamethasone on Saturday. The drug is a steroid used to head off an immune system overreaction that kills many Covid-19 patients.

    The drug is reserved for those with severe illness, because it has not been shown to benefit those with milder forms of the disease and may even be risky.

    Because of the incomplete picture offered by the president’s doctors, it was not clear whether they had given him dexamethasone too quickly, or whether the president was far sicker than has been publicly acknowledged, experts in infectious disease and emergency medicine said on Sunday.

    “The dexamethasone is the most mystifying of the drugs we’re seeing him being given at this point,” said Dr. Thomas McGinn, physician-in-chief at Northwell Health, the largest health care provider in New York State. The drug is normally not used unless the patient’s condition seems to be deteriorating, he added.

    “Suddenly, they’re throwing the kitchen sink at him,” Dr. McGinn said. “It raises the question: Is he sicker than we’re hearing, or are they being overly aggressive because he is the president, in a way that could be potentially harmful?”

    Dr. Esther Choo, a professor of emergency medicine at Oregon Health & Science University in Portland, said of the doctors’ statements on Sunday: “This is no longer aspirationally positive. And it’s much more than just an ‘abundance of caution’ kind of thing.”
    ……
    “If he continues to look and feel as well as he does today, our hope is to plan for a discharge as early as tomorrow to the White House, where he can continue his treatment,” one of his doctors, Dr. Brian Garibaldi, said at the briefing on Sunday.

    But several medical experts said that the decision to prescribe dexamethasone to Mr. Trump did not align with that optimistic scenario.
    ……..
    Guidelines from the World Health Organization recommend that the drug only be given to patients with “severe and critical Covid-19.” The National Institutes of Health has issued similar guidance, specifying that the drug is recommended only for people who require a mechanical ventilator to help them breathe, or who need supplemental oxygen.

    “When I think about people needing dexamethasone, I think about people who are escalating their condition, who are heading closer to I.C.U. level than to home,” said Dr. Rochelle Walensky, chief of the division of infectious disease at Massachusetts General Hospital and a professor at Harvard Medical School.

    Using multiple drugs at once could have an impact on their effectiveness, and it increases the risk of harmful drug interactions, said Dr. McGinn.

    “You’re giving remdesivir, you’re giving dexamethasone, and you’re giving monoclonal antibodies,” he said, referring to the experimental treatment by Regeneron. “No one’s ever done that, not to mention famotidine and some zinc and a mix of cocktails, or whatever else he’s on.”
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  25. For those who haven’t seen it: “Just imagine if science and karma combined to show us how dangerous this virus can be.” Jim Carey is a great Joe Biden.

    nk (1d9030)

  26. Yes, she might spread it to other people, but that’s their problem.

    Yes, it is:

    Two of White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany’s staffers test positive

    Two of White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany’s deputies, Chad Gilmartin and Karoline Leavitt, have also tested positive for coronavirus, two sources tell CNN.

    Dave (1bb933)

  27. Am I going to vote for Trump as a tactical maneuver so that Democrats don’t get power?

    Over broken shards of glass if I must.

    whembly (c30c83) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:31 am

    If any and all democrats, just because they are democrats, are equal to the very worst democrats, and therefore you tolerate all the failures of Trump, you understand why the democrats are the way they are.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  28. Here’s the deal. If Trump stays on for four more years, there won’t be any more America to take away your Second Amendment rights, give you free health care, and invent 57 more genders.

    nk (1d9030)

  29. and therefore you tolerate all the failures of Trump

    I’ll tolerate four years of Trump’s failures and corruption as opposed to forty-eight years worth of Biden’s. It’s as if creepy joe is a fresh face intent on shaking things up. LOL

    beer ‘n pretzels (392e62)

  30. It’s as if creepy joe is a fresh face intent on shaking things up. LOL

    Aren’t things shaken up enough for you?

    Dave (1bb933)

  31. I’ll tolerate four years of Trump’s failures and corruption as opposed to forty-eight years worth of Biden’s.

    Why?

    Biden’s failures amount to what problems in your life, exactly? Cities are tearing themselves apart, journalists eating tear gas, coffin futures are up 900%.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  32. They should circulate a “Get F*cked” card. It’d be hard to resist signing, even knowing that the pleas for money would follow.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  33. 23, her lack of disclosure about CV status is the administration’s out…now they can go hardcore white guy or electoral/gotcha pander (Lagoa or Ho).

    urbanleftbehind (fa9363)

  34. Biden’s failures amount to what problems in your life, exactly?

    Conservatives who live in blue states don’t ask such ridiculous questions.

    beer ‘n pretzels (392e62)

  35. The NRSC is collecting data — name, phone numbers, email, ZIP code — under the guise of inviting people to send a “get well” card to Trump.

    all these fundraising things are phony. They should just give most people dollar for dollar refundable tax rebates, up to a set dollar amount per year or two year period, for political contributions. But that would make things too easy and limit corruption.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  36. @31. For the same reason Dallas was invited into American homes from 1978 to 1991 and My Mother The Car was not and cancelled after 7 months.

    In this era, Americans don’t want to be governed [especially by a 47 year Swamp Creature] – they wish to be entertained… by a Reagan Creation Showman.

    “No miracle is coming.” – Joe Biden

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  37. Here’s the deal: Americans don’t want to hear ‘here’s the deal’ ever again– unless you’re the American who sold the “‘Here’s The Deal’ Drinking Game” to Parker Brothers.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  38. The karma is like a gusher.

    “We will not see diseases like the coronavirus come here…isn’t that refreshing when contrasting it with the awful presidency of President Obama?”
    –Kayleigh McEnany, 2/5/2020

    I wish her a full and swift recovery, but she brought this on herself.

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  39. This is why you are supposed to quarantine after exposure. Your viral load isn’t high enough to register on the test right after you are exposed and contract the virus, but you still have the virus. It takes a few days to show up on the test. It isn’t a breathalyzer, it’s a pregnancy test. 😛

    Nic (896fdf)

  40. 24.

    Because of the incomplete picture offered by the president’s doctors, it was not clear whether they had given him dexamethasone too quickly, or whether the president was far sicker than has been publicly acknowledged, experts in infectious disease and emergency medicine said on Sunday.

    My vote is for too quickly, because the doctors at Walter Reed were stupid.

    It is given when somebody has too strong an immune response. Trump probably had a very strong immune response – measured maybe by a drop in n virus concentration, or maybe even stupider, by the level of antibodies to Covid in the blood. However, that was because of the synthetic monoclonal neutralizing antibodies from Regerneron that Donald Trump was given:

    This:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/provocative-results-boost-hopes-antibody-treatment-covid-19

    second company has now produced strong hints that monoclonal antibodies, synthetically produced versions of proteins made by the immune system, can work as treatments in people who are infected with the pandemic coronavirus but are not yet seriously ill.

    The biotech Regeneron Pharmaceuticals has developed a cocktail of two monoclonal antibodies that attach to the surface protein of that coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, and attempt to block it from infecting cells. Yesterday at an investor and media webcast, the firm revealed early results.

    Since this is not an approved treatment, even for emergency use, and/or because it wasn’t documented because it might have been given to him before he entered the hospital, the very large antibody levels were attributed to his own immune response, even though such a strong response in someone not previously known to have been infected would be unusual in a 74-year old, and therefore they gave him what they probably routinely give to someone with a very strong immune response to the virus: dexamethasone.

    That;s the logical and most probable explanation for the dexamethasone.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  41. Conservatives who live in blue states don’t ask such ridiculous questions.

    beer ‘n pretzels (392e62) — 10/5/2020 @ 10:33 am

    Put the pom poms down. If it’s such an obvious answer, just lay it out. Instead of imagining the absolute worst, Harris Antifa flamethrower to your church, just lay it out.

    Name a few of Biden’s specific Failures.

    How did they affect your life?

    Why would a US Senator’s failures only impact a blue state? Are you talking about importing pork spending? What does that even mean?

    Dustin (4237e0)

  42. “No miracle is coming.” – Joe Biden

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/5/2020 @ 10:35 am

    This statement is Biden identifying an actual Trump failure that has impacted hundreds of thousands of American families. The promise of a miracle, that the virus would just vanish in April, didn’t come and will never come. Those dead will stay dead.

    I didn’t ask for Whembley and BOP to identify a Biden failure that impacted their life as much as this one Trump failure because that’s truly impossible. I was a lot more generous.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  43. A pox on all them.

    I can go along with that, to a certain point. But Donald Trump is such a uniquely horrible and ridiculous “leader,” and so fiercely protected by so many on the R. side, that it’s become very awkward to be a defender of the R. side against whatever those dastardly media people throw at it.

    I’m angrier at the Trumpkins than at “the media” because they have so sullied what I have long identified with.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  44. @42 Biden is running for POTUS.

    Question: If Biden becomes an Obama-lite administration… is that a tradeoff you’re willing to accept? What about, at worst, the radical left pushes Biden much more leftward governance than the Obama administration? What about then?

    whembly (c30c83)

  45. and therefore you tolerate all the failures of Trump

    I’ll tolerate four years of Trump’s failures and corruption as opposed to forty-eight years worth of Biden’s. It’s as if creepy joe is a fresh face intent on shaking things up. LOL

    beer ‘n pretzels (392e62) — 10/5/2020 @ 10:12 am

    What do you mean ‘tolerate’? As near as I’ve been able to determine you like Trump and think he’s going a good job. Have I been reading you incorrectly?

    Time123 (441f53)

  46. @42 Biden is running for POTUS.

    Question: If Biden becomes an Obama-lite administration… is that a tradeoff you’re willing to accept? What about, at worst, the radical left pushes Biden much more leftward governance than the Obama administration? What about then?

    whembly (c30c83) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:07 am

    If his election restores the norm that the DOJ and FBI are independent of the political interests of the president it probably would.

    Time123 (441f53)

  47. I don’t think anybody has yet figured out or traced the locus classicus of this infection (or if they have it’s not even announced yet.)

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  48. If it’s such an obvious answer, just lay it out.

    Do you know Biden’s position on the Green New Deal? Detail it for me. I know Trump’s. How about deregulation? Ditto. Are you able to work from home to bring in income for your family? Luckily I can. Many in CA and NY can’t. They live off unemployment. Biden’s criticism of Trump’s DontCallItWuhanFlu response leads me to believe he’ll be draconian on a national level, but he’s a weasel about spelling it out. In short, if you like CA or NY, we’ll get more of that with Biden. But, you don’t live in a blue state, do you. (I didn’t even mention nut job judges making nut job decisions about race quotas, police powers, and immigration — well, there I did.)

    beer ‘n pretzels (216d2c)

  49. If his election restores the norm that the DOJ and FBI are independent of the political interests of the president it probably would.

    If?

    “restores the norm”

    Time123 rehearses a comedy routine. Thumbs up.

    beer ‘n pretzels (216d2c)

  50. @50, You’ve really gone full Qanon haven’t you?

    Time123 (441f53)

  51. Biden and Harris will make mistakes, bad decisions and do plenty of things I find infuriating.

    But we need to put grownups back in charge, even if they’re imperfect.

    Dave (1bb933)

  52. 43. The virus will eventually disappear, with or without a vaccine, just like all epidemics do. It’s almost mathematically inevitable.

    Even the Black Death did. Maybe occasionally coming back in smaller outbreaks. There are some vaccines now, and have been since approximately 1890, but none of them are approved by the U.S. food and Drug Administration. And yet plague is not a problem in the USA.

    Some very famous epidemics appeared once and never came back, like the one that killed Pericles in Athens.

    Scarlet fever disappeared from the world in the 1940s without a vaccine.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  53. Question: If Biden becomes an Obama-lite administration… is that a tradeoff you’re willing to accept? What about, at worst, the radical left pushes Biden much more leftward governance than the Obama administration? What about then?

    The courts (dominated by judges appointed by Trump, and a dream SC) will stop the most egregious Biden policies.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  54. If they don’t figure out the source of the white House related outbreak quickly some people will think it was on purpose, like might have been the case with Zachary Taylor in 1850.

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-zachary-taylor-dies-unexpectedly

    On a scorching Fourth of July in Washington, D.C., Taylor attended festivities at the newly dedicated grounds upon which the Washington Monument would be erected. According to several sources, Taylor gulped down a large quantity of cherries and iced milk and then returned to the White House, where he quenched his thirst with several glasses of water.

    Outbreaks of cholera, a deadly disease caused by bacteria, occurred frequently during the summer months in hot, humid Washington during the 1800s, when sewage systems were primitive at best. The bacteria were mostly likely present in the water or iced milk Taylor drank, though other sources have claimed that Taylor died of gastroenteritis caused by the highly acidic cherries combined with fresh milk. Others suspected food poisoning or typhoid fever. It appears no one suggested foul play even though Taylor, a Mexican War hero, opposed secession and vowed to personally lead a military attack against any state that threatened to secede from the Union.

    Taylor died on the evening of July 9, after four days of suffering from symptoms that included severe cramping, diarrhea, nausea and dehydration. His personal physicians concluded that he had succumbed to cholera morbus, a bacterial infection of the small intestine. His vice president, Millard Fillmore, was sworn in as the new president the next day.

    What makes me somewhat suspicious is that at some point, I don’t know when, somebody suggested foul play, but with arsenic of all things. That could have been a red herring. But I don’t know if that theory originated in that generation.

    Suspects for planning a deliberate infection include partisan Democrats and the Chinese government; motives would include preventing the Sept 29 debate. (in which case they hurt their cause)

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  55. Suspects for planning a deliberate infection include partisan Democrats and the Chinese government; motives would include preventing the Sept 29 debate. (in which case they hurt their cause)

    Comedy Gold!

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  56. Scarlet fever disappeared from the world in the 1940s without a vaccine.

    Penicillin.

    Dave (1bb933)

  57. My Mother The Car was not and cancelled after 7 months.

    I was so certain you were wrong about that.

    Just 30 episodes were made.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  58. 57. Well, would have hurt their cause, because the debate took place.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  59. @59. Wrong, Sammy; it was dumped.

    Worst show on television.

    Ever.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  60. @43. The statement will be associated w/him until he dies later this decade; and on his tombstone, Dustin.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  61. BREAKING- FOX REPORTS PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BE DISCHARGED FROM WALTER REED AT 6:30 PM ET

    What. A. Showman.

    Bigfoots Biden buzz again.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. @47

    If his election restores the norm that the DOJ and FBI are independent of the political interests of the president it probably would.

    Time123 (441f53) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:09 am

    But the DOJ/FBI under the Obama-Biden administration was anything but the norms.

    What makes you think he’ll do better?

    whembly (c30c83)

  63. @55

    Question: If Biden becomes an Obama-lite administration… is that a tradeoff you’re willing to accept? What about, at worst, the radical left pushes Biden much more leftward governance than the Obama administration? What about then?

    The courts (dominated by judges appointed by Trump, and a dream SC) will stop the most egregious Biden policies.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:28 am

    …and that’s a very fair argument I’ll conceed.

    But, wanting the SCOTUS to stop “most egregious” Biden policies means that others will fall through.

    It’s how we got the bastardization of the current Obamacare. I’d argue it’s going to be much worse.

    whembly (c30c83)

  64. If his election restores the norm that the DOJ and FBI are independent of the political interests of the president it probably would.
    Time123 (441f53) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:09 am

    I for one would like to return to the days when decisions about law and law enforcement were made on airport tarmacs…

    Hoi Polloi (2f1acd)

  65. Trump says he feels better than he did 20 years ago.

    Remember 2000— 20 years ago, Joe?

    ‘Joe Biden was a driving force behind giving China “permanent normal trading status” in 2000, which helped Beijing win admission to the World Trade Organization; “There is no circumstance under which a man has a right to touch a woman without her consent other than self-defense,” Biden said in October 2000 in relation to the Violence Against Women Act..– source, wiki47yearsaswampcreature.blacklagoon

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  66. @43. The statement will be associated w/him until he dies later this decade; and on his tombstone, Dustin.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:42 am

    I really don’t think anyone remembers him saying it, on account of it being an unremarkable statement of common sense, akin to ‘the sky is blue’. When it comes to the president, there are no miracles, everything is potentially horrible, and he has to be honest.

    ‘Will you just shut up’ is probably the only think anyone knows Biden ever said.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  67. Do you know Biden’s position on the Green New Deal? Detail it for me. I know Trump’s. bla bla bla

    beer ‘n pretzels (216d2c) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:14 am

    Grand Inquisitor routine, huh? Well you stated Biden hurt you with his failures. Whether or not I can detailed Biden’s debate gaffe on this issue is not relevant to just asking you what the hell you were talking about. I asked, got word salad and the grand inquisitor.

    Therefore you made that up. The failures of a US Senator haven’t done much to you.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  68. @68. Think again. Or ask a truly devout Catholic. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  69. @68. Think again. Or ask a truly devout Catholic. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:57 a

    Do you think a miracle is coming? Trump promised this miracle in April, couple hundred thousand corpses ago.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  70. Do you know Biden’s position on the Green New Deal? Detail it for me. I know Trump’s. bla bla bla

    beer ‘n pretzels (216d2c) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:14 am

    According to Biden’s website, he was for the GND. Maybe they have changed the language since the debate.

    Either way, we won’t know what’s in Biden’s presidency until we vote for it.

    Hoi Polloi (2f1acd)

  71. If Trump stays on for four more years, there won’t be any more America

    Yeah, that’s really the issue. I cannot fathom us being in a conflict with China, or even Iran, with Trump at the helm. He is too mercurial to be the kind of smart, cold-blooded and ruthless leader we would need in wartime. Even W had issues there, but W was leagues better than Trump.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  72. But, wanting the SCOTUS to stop “most egregious” Biden policies means that others will fall through.

    Most decisions are made at the appellate level, so most of the policies will be stopped even before the SC hears about them.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  73. I wish this WH were honest enough that we could believe what they say about these things.

    Welcome to 1967.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  74. ccording to Biden’s website, he was for the GND. Maybe they have changed the language since the debate.

    Either way, we won’t know what’s in Biden’s presidency until we vote for it.

    Hoi Polloi (2f1acd) — 10/5/2020 @ 12:02 pm

    What’s amazing here is that had Trump had any sense of strategy, if he were a fighter, he wouldn’t have been afraid of letting Biden speak. Think how many gaffes like this you could be ‘asking’ about. No one really cares about this, by which I mean Biden’s position on this deal is not relevant to anything. He is not congress. But his inability to be really well versed in his campaign platform is a great example of why he’s not fit for the presidency, which of course Biden isn’t.

    Trump was such a moron, he wouldn’t let Biden show that. This is why America has been losing for a few years. Our president is a loser. Like Kevin said, Trump can’t handle a real problem, like a war with a real enemy.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  75. Grand Inquisitor routine, huh?

    You asked me the question. You didn’t like my answer, and dismissed any of my questions. Yep, that’s the ol’ Grand Inquisitor routine.

    beer ‘n pretzels (4a6d76)

  76. her lack of disclosure about CV status

    If former victims are current carriers, we are so fu*ked it isn’t funny. But this doesn’t compute, as she would have a trail.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  77. Yeah, that’s really the issue. I cannot fathom us being in a conflict with China, or even Iran, with Trump at the helm.

    That’s a good thing – he hasn’t started a war. Biden? His track record of macho bloviating and poor foreign policy decisions (Libya) make a bad combination.

    If he’s president, let’s just hope he sticks to challenging foreign leaders to push-up contests. Maybe feeling up female foreign dignitaries.

    Hoi Polloi (2f1acd)

  78. New York Post:

    WASHINGTON — President Trump will be leaving the hospital on Monday evening after three days in Walter Reed Medical Center, he announced in a tweet — he declared he is “feeling really good.”

    “I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good!” he wrote on Monday afternoon.

    “Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!” he went on.

    Here is his tweet. How many people will read this and decide they want to get Covid?

    DRJ (aede82)

  79. You asked me the question. You didn’t like my answer, and dismissed any of my questions. Yep, that’s the ol’ Grand Inquisitor routine.

    beer ‘n pretzels (4a6d76) — 10/5/2020 @ 12:06 pm

    I asked you to back up what you and Whembly agreed, that Biden’s failures impacted you in the past. You answered with ‘Detail for me Biden’s green deal plan!!!’

    That’s not actually an answer, if you’re honest. And you know that. Come on.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  80. Donald says he’s checking out of Walter Reed at 6:30 EST. Donald Jr. isn’t happy, and who can blame him: Covid fog is a real deal.

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  81. Plagiarist JoeyBee motorcades to Florida’s ‘Little Haiti’–then to ‘Little Havana.’

    That should look quite colorful on the TeeVee news is tonight in Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana, Texas and Scranton, Erie and Moon Township, PA.

    Attaboy, Joe.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. Here’s the deal: Americans don’t want to hear ‘here’s the deal’ ever again

    With Trump’s it’s more likely to be “Yeah, that’s the ticket!”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  83. @71. It did, Dustin: Welcome to 1964!” 😉

    Glorious.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  84. some really great drugs

    I have no doubt.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  85. It did, Dustin: Welcome to 1964!” 😉

    Touche’

    Dustin (4237e0)

  86. I really don’t think anyone remembers him saying it, on account of it being an unremarkable statement of common sense, akin to ‘the sky is blue’. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:55 am

    Biden, ostensibly a Catholic, shocked devout Catholics like myself with those words. I have had, and still have, conversations about his words which betray a darkened heart – but this is still noit the most troublesome aspect of Biden to us; foremost in Devout Catholic minds is the scandal Biden creates by receiving the Holy Eucharist while publicly supporting abortion.

    Catholics remember.

    felipe (023cc9)

  87. @75. 1967? Try 1965– as well as ’66,’67, ’68, ’69,’70,’71,’72,’73 and especially 1974.

    “I shall resign the Presidency effective at noon tomorrow.” – The Big Dick, 8/8/74

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  88. Biden, ostensibly a Catholic, shocked devout Catholics like myself with those words. I have had, and still have, conversations about his words which betray a darkened heart – but this is still noit the most troublesome aspect of Biden to us; foremost in Devout Catholic minds is the scandal Biden creates by receiving the Holy Eucharist while publicly supporting abortion.

    Catholics remember.

    felipe (023cc9) — 10/5/2020 @ 12:18 pm

    I guess I’m pretty negative on some of these issues myself. I find your take enlightening.

    Of course, Biden’s abortion stance shows he’s not much of a Catholic.

    To me, the miracle context is that we have some problems that we needed to face directly, and I wish we had.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  89. Oh, FFS, don’t believe covid is bad, only 210,000 and counting.

    I’d never think I’d ever say this but Don Jr’s right.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  90. Patterico (115b1f)

  91. I cannot fathom us being in a conflict with China, or even Iran, with Trump at the helm. He is too mercurial to be the kind of smart, cold-blooded and ruthless leader we would need in wartime.
    DCSCA begs to differ, but we have really not seen any evidence that Trump is the cold-hearted bastard DCSCA thinks he is. His attack on the Syrian airfield resulted in only minor casualties and a few destroyed aircraft, and certainly did not deter anyone from other chemical attacks. The assassination of Qasem Soleimani was a one-off and didn’t involve any risk. Trump’s failure to retaliate for the shelling of Al Asad Airbase that injured dozens of Americans and his subsequent dissing of their traumatic brain injuries as “headaches” is also a black mark.

    As far s China or Iran go, they will need to start it first.

    Let the word ring forth from this time and this place, you kill an American, any American, we don’t come back with a proportional response, we come back with total disaster!

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  92. I mean, sometimes your hard work is God’s way of effecting the miracle. Sometimes a leap of faith is doing your best job at something that is daunting,. Praying for a miracle is great, but insisting it’s coming, so no need to handle things, is putting God to a test I don’t think He agreed to.

    I am not a Catholic though.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  93. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:59 am

    There is no scandal in wishing, hoping, or asking for a miracle. There would be scandal for claiming to have performed a miracle, or promising to perform one. But among the faithful, it is reprehensible for a person to first claim faith and then go on to deny the possibility of a miracle.

    felipe (023cc9)

  94. Patterico (115b1f)

  95. Patterico (115b1f)

  96. were we not told the suleimani hit would touch off a war with iran, the retaliation was remarkably low key, for 16 years of deferred accountability, under two administrations,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  97. There is no scandal in wishing, hoping, or asking for a miracle. There would be scandal for claiming to have performed a miracle, or promising to perform one. But among the faithful, it is reprehensible for a person to first claim faith and then go on to deny the possibility of a miracle.

    felipe (023cc9) — 10/5/2020 @ 12:28 pm

    Interesting point. This makes sense. I just didn’t read it this way, but you are literally correct that Biden disclaimed a miracle would happen. Perhaps he should be asked to clarify if he really meant there’s no chance of a miracle, or if he was just saying something more along the lines of what I’ve said. That would have been a nice thing for Trump to bring up at the debate.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  98. were we not told the suleimani hit would touch off a war with iran, the retaliation was remarkably low key, for 16 years of deferred accountability, under two administrations,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 10/5/2020 @ 12:31 pm

    When the most popular leader in Iran is blown up, I question who told us where he was going to be. Iran’s current leadership is absolutely ruthless about threats from inside.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  99. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/5/2020 @ 12:03 pm

    I hear what you are saying, Kevin, and it is reasonable. But what we think Trump will do at the helm does not matter at all; what matters, is what foreign leaders think Trump could do at the helm. Witness the absence of war, first, then the developments in the Middle East. Even if one argued that these things transpired without help from Trump, one would have to accept that Trump’s policies did not impede them.

    felipe (023cc9)

  100. How many people will read this and decide they want to get Covid?

    “Think of it as evolution in action.”

    –Niven & Pournelle

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  101. “I shall resign the Presidency effective at noon tomorrow.” – The Big Dick, 8/8/74

    He was lying?!?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  102. or if he was just saying something more along the lines of what I’ve said. That would have been a nice thing for Trump to bring up at the debate.
    Dustin (4237e0) — 10/5/2020 @ 12:37 pm

    I completely agree with you, Dustin, especially in what you said, and the way you said it – which I quote:

    I mean, sometimes your hard work is God’s way of effecting the miracle. Sometimes a leap of faith is doing your best job at something that is daunting,. Praying for a miracle is great, but insisting it’s coming, so no need to handle things, is putting God to a test I don’t think He agreed to. Dustin (4237e0) — 10/5/2020 @ 12:27 pm

    felipe (023cc9)

  103. @96, 97:

    Again, I ask: How long until we3 find out he knew he had this on Tuesday, and evaded the test at the debate hall on purpose?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  104. Praying for a miracle is great, but insisting it’s coming

    Sometimes, to save you from the flood, God sends a guy in a boat.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  105. Witness the absence of war, first, then the developments in the Middle East.

    When Trump came into office, Mattis told him the worst problem he would face would be North Korea building nuclear ICBMs. Sometimes doing nothing is worse than doing something. But it IS easier.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  106. which rumsfeld warned about 23 years ago, but the likes of general cartwright, (later caught leaking stuixtnet) said it wasn’t a concern,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  107. 83, he’s all good unless he starts wearing a guayabera like ol’ Mitt.

    urbanleftbehind (fa9363)

  108. evaded the test at the debate hall on purpose?

    It is suspicious he dodged the test. There’s no good reason to do that.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  109. maybe a hawaian shirt, just to tweak the press,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  110. et the word ring forth from this time and this place, you kill an American, any American, we don’t come back with a proportional response, we come back with total disaster!

    The condition applies both ways: And if you don’t kill an American, we don’t do anything.

    That’s why he failed to retaliate for the shelling of Al Asad Airbase that injured dozens of Americans.

    This was a war and peace policy with Iran that Donald Trump stumbled into after he cancelled a retaliatory strike for a Iranian attack on Saudi oil infrastructure that didn’t actually kill anyone.

    As for the attack that killed Suleimani, that fit within the terms of the policy, because, while Iran had not killed any member of the U.S. armed forces, they had (not really intending to) killed a contractor.

    But now Iranian allied Iraqi militia that are supposed to be under the control of the Iraqi government are attacking the green zone and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has warned Iraq that if thy can’t get that to stop, the U.S. may pull out its diplomats from the Green Zone. So far no U.S. personnel have been killed (maybe they are pulling their punches but maybe they are waiting for another president od the United States.)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/politics/pompeo-embassy-baghdad-iraq.html

    Mr. Pompeo’s threat could be partly bluster aimed at galvanizing Iraqi political and military leaders and forcing the government to choose between the United States or Iran, with which Shiite officials in Iraq share a religious and cultural history.

    But the State Department has begun a review process to close the embassy, U.S. officials said, with a decision expected before the Nov. 3 election.

    Barbara A. Leaf, who was a senior diplomat in Iraq in 2010 and 2011 and later served as ambassador to the United Arab Emirates until 2018, said shutting down the embassy could hand Iran and Iraqi militias “a propaganda victory of epic proportions.” And issuing the threat in the first place was also “very risky and potentially counterproductive,” she said…

    It’s probably coming from Trump. He doesn’t like to take the risk.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  111. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/5/2020 @ 12:51 pm

    Ha! I love that joke.

    felipe (023cc9)

  112. Sometimes doing nothing is worse than doing something. But it IS easier.
    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/5/2020 @ 12:54 pm

    Yes! Especially in a medical emergency. But easier? To me, nothing is harder to do than nothing. Try asking the government to do “nothing” when millions are clamoring. Would that all governments did less.

    felipe (023cc9)

  113. Gahh! I forgot to close quotes.

    felipe (023cc9)


  114. Rob Smith 🇺🇸
    @robsmithonline
    · 51m
    Joe Biden: “The reason I was able to stay home during the pandemic is because Black women were able to keep the grocery shelves stocked.”

    __ _

    Media reaction will be no different than if Trump said it.
    _

    harkin (f2bc98)

  115. The position of the candidates now:

    Biden says there’s no chance the virus will just go away; Trump says there is no way that it won’t just go away at some point no matter what we do or we don’t do. (although he won’t acknowledge he was wrong about the liklihood of it happening by April

    Trump now says there are treatments and people should not be afraid of Covid. Even if there is a small chance it could kill you.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  116. SF @112-

    You do know that’s a quote from both The American President and The West Wing, and not a policy statement?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  117. DRJ: How many people will read this and decide they want to get Covid?

    https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2020/10/05/drive-by-media-has-cow-over-trump-drive-by

    CALLER: Yeah. So, anyway, I just wanted to give you my thoughts. As I say, I was on a presidential detail a long time ago. I’ve been to over 70 countries in very dangerous situations with a protectee, with HIV areas, flu, you know, the whole nine yards. And if I was a current presidential agent, 95% of them are in their thirties or forties where the mortality rate, even if you get infected, is, you know, 99.7 or 99.8%. [sic]

    You got a better chance than just a regular flu. I would have no reservations, and I hate to say it, I might even welcome having it because I would know within a week or two that I would be immune to even having to wear the mask as the president will be going forward. So that’s my perspective on this. And they’re making, like you say, a bigger deal out of this than they need to have.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  118. bartlett wrote that off in season one, but by season 3, he ventured forth against sharif the qumari defense minister, with a touch more subterfuge (he was ambushed on a stop in bermuda)

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  119. Let the word ring forth from this time and this place, you kill an American, any American, we don’t come back with a proportional response, we come back with total disaster!

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/5/2020 @ 1:25 pm

    You do know that’s a quote from both The American President and The West Wing, and not a policy statement?

    I knew it was something that didn’t come from Trump. but I thought it was something that you endorsed.

    Well, Trump kind of did it with respect to Iran. Then he decided that he didn’t want a war with Iran so he’s ready to pull the U.S. Embassy out of Baghdad.

    That quote is actually something somewhat along the lines of what George W. Bush said – that he didn’t like the kind of retaliation that Clinton did (after the USS Cole – and without using the name Clinton.) He didn’t say what he would do. It was more than Osama bin Laden counted on, though.

    Trump did say something like that with respect to North Korea, although it was in he context of a bigger attack than killing one American.

    The one American standard he applied to Iran but he also didn’t say there would be total disaster.

    Total disaster is after North Korea uses a nuclear weapon.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  120. Denlesks [Parody News Site]
    @Denlesks

    Due to President Trump’s recovery from Covid the flag outside CNN will be flown at half staff
    _

    harkin (f2bc98)

  121. Off topic, I saw something very odd today.

    I was getting a COVID test at a local City MD. They have a very advanced machine to sign it, it takes pictures of your drivers license and insurance card, and takes some other info, then you are signed in and wait to be called.

    One of the questions is what language you want to be spoken to. There was a very long list with many languages. Rather than scroll down, I typed in ENGLISH.

    It then gave me a choice:

    * Modern English

    * Middle English

    * Old English.

    I started laughing out loud. Do they expect Geoffrey Chaucer or William Shakespeare to come in for a COVID test?

    I can just see the technician saying:

    Raiseth thy nose so i can shave this sticketh up it

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  122. 119, I don’t think they’re ready to let people who recovered get away with not wearing a mask, so that former Secret Service agent (if he was still active ad in his 30s or 40s) would welcome getting Covid all for nothing.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  123. @103- Given his next utterance yes, he was: “I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. Vice President Ford will be sworn in at that hour, in this office.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  124. His health isn’t the issue; stabilizing markets and nat’l security issues are in the immediacy.

    We don’t “need to know” the state of Trump’s lungs any more than we needed to know Reagan was much closer death than reported at the time. The Beast I hungry to be fed… that’s all:
    ___

    DOCTOR: The President broke wind today.

    CNN: What TIME today?

    DOCTOR: 2:30.

    CNN: Is that AM or PM?

    DOCTOR: PM.

    ABC: Is this unusual?

    DOCTOR: Not for a man of his age and diet.

    CBS: So you attribute the President breaking wind to his diet and not Covid?

    DOCTOR: I didn’t say that.

    ABC: But you did raise the issue of his age. Is that a factor?

    DOCTOR: Well, I–

    MSNBC: Is the president lactose intolerant?

    DOCTOR: Huh? Well, he does consume a large amount of carbonated beverages, but…

    MSNBC: Is the President’s intolerance to bubbly brown liquids a symptom of inherent racism?

    DOCTOR: Uh, well– given his age, carbonated beverages can generate gaseous…

    CNN: So the President favors gas over wind power?

    DOCTOR: No, I just said he broke wind, not…

    MSNBC: So the president generates methane. Isn’t that a pollutant?

    THE DAILY SHOW: Does the president light his farts?

    DOCTOR: Huh? You’d have to ask Mr. Meadows that…

    FOX: Is President Trump healthy or the healthiest man in America?

    DOCTOR: All healthy people break wind.

    FOX: When was the last time Joe Biden broke wind?

    DOCTOR: I wouldn’t know, I’n not his doct–

    FOX: But Mr. Biden had multiple brain surgeries here at Walter Reed. Is there a link between that and his history of brain farting?

    DOCTOR: I can’t say. I’m not his physician… Thank you– we’re done here.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  125. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge

    Gee, who could have expected that Donald Trump would basically take credit for what medical science has accomplished in the past several months. It’s so unlike him!

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  126. If there was a cover-up of an earlier positive test, Dr. Upbeat was almost certainly in on it. And now, he stonewalls.

    Dave (1bb933)

  127. Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/5/2020 @ 2:22 pm

    I have never heard Trump employ the Royal “we.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  128. Joe Biden, 10/5/2020:
    “The reason I was able to stay home during the pandemic is because Black women were able to keep the grocery shelves stocked.”

    O.o

    whembly (c30c83)

  129. Joe Biden, 10/5/2020:
    “The reason I was able to stay home during the pandemic is because Black women were able to keep the grocery shelves stocked.”

    And who brought the groceries from the shelves to la casa Biden? Some other minority group. Maybe trasngender, partially disabled Latinos.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  130. Biden is at his worst when he is talking.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  131. Biden is at his worst when he is talking.

    I am sure his handlers would like to be able to sew his mouth shut.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  132. Trump now says there are treatments and people should not be afraid of Covid. Even if there is a small chance it could kill you.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/5/2020 @ 1:20 pm

    There are lies, dam lies, and statistics.

    Hoi Polloi (2f1acd)

  133. On dexamethasone, here is a good article
    https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/46/2/570#:~:text=In%20summary%2C%20our%20findings%20support,%E2%80%9Ccosmetic%E2%80%9D%20suppression%20of%20fever.

    Claims fever was reduced to normal after 4 days.

    Interesting that though dexamethasone does often reduce fever, increased fever is a known side effect

    steveg (43b7a5)

  134. #134 Biden is at his worst when he is talking.

    Ah. His worst. That we know about.

    steveg (43b7a5)

  135. now do media matters and planned parenthood

    Is the IRS investigating them?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  136. Donald says he’s checking out of Walter Reed at 6:30 EST. Donald Jr. isn’t happy, and who can blame him: Covid fog is a real deal.
    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4) — 10/5/2020 @ 12:11 pm

    Not saying it isn’t true, and I won’t be at all surprised if it is, but I’d take a third-hand anonymous account from Gabe Sherman with a sizable grain of salt.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  137. If any and all democrats, just because they are democrats, are equal to the very worst democrats, and therefore you tolerate all the failures of Trump, you understand why the democrats are the way they are.
    Dustin (4237e0) — 10/5/2020 @ 10:03 am

    This. How do people who saw how deranged it was to paint McCain and Romney like Trump not see they’re being just as transparently ridiculous when they talk about Biden as if he’s Bernie?

    I suppose Tribalists gonna tribal.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  138. John McAfee Indicted for Tax Evasion
    ……
    According to the indictment, John McAfee earned millions in income from promoting cryptocurrencies, consulting work, speaking engagements, and selling the rights to his life story for a documentary. From 2014 to 2018, McAfee allegedly failed to file tax returns, despite receiving considerable income from these sources. The indictment does not allege that during these years McAfee received any income or had any connection with the anti-virus company bearing his name.

    According to the indictment, McAfee allegedly evaded his tax liability by directing his income to be paid into bank accounts and cryptocurrency exchange accounts in the names of nominees. The indictment further alleges McAfee attempted to evade the IRS by concealing assets, including real property, a vehicle, and a yacht, in the names of others.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  139. How do people who saw how deranged it was to paint McCain and Romney like Trump not see they’re being just as transparently ridiculous when they talk about Biden as if he’s Bernie?

    Because the issue is not who Biden is, but what his Administration will look like. Biden is old, declining, and even in his prime was a pandering politician who went where the wind blew. The left wing is now dominant in his party. A Biden administration will, in effect, be very much like a Sanders administration. And that’s assuming Biden does not expire or Kamala Harris does not invoke the 25th Amendment, or the Edith Wilson precedent, in which case it will be the Harris Admininstraiton.

    Romney and McCain were not like that. A Romney or McCain admininstration would not have had a coterie of Trumpists pulling the strings. Trump would have remained a reality TV personality.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  140. @132.Joe Biden, 10/5/2020:
    “The reason I was able to stay home during the pandemic is because Black women were able to keep the grocery shelves stocked.”

    O.o

    My God.

    There he Beaus again.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  141. @134. W/apologies to E,L&P:

    ‘Welcome back, my friends, to the Joe that never ends…’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  142. “Because the issue is not who Biden is, but what his Administration will look like. Biden is old, declining, and even in his prime was a pandering politician who went where the wind blew. The left wing is now dominant in his party. A Biden administration will, in effect, be very much like a Sanders administration. And that’s assuming Biden does not expire or Kamala Harris does not invoke the 25th Amendment, or the Edith Wilson precedent, in which case it will be the Harris Admininstraiton.”

    From the perspective of someone who is absolutely left of Biden, you’re completely wrong with this analysis. The left wing is not dominant. Harris is not left wing. On the left wing forums that I visit, there a strong belief that Democratic party intends to freeze out the left as much as possible.

    Davethulhu (bd5648)

  143. 143. That’s the same kind of apocalyptic mindreading that what was used on McCain and Romney. Romney was no less a weather vane than Biden is. The tribal Right seized on it to curse him as a RINO with the same belligerent certainty the tribal left used to convict him of oligarchic fascism. Stripped of the partisan fever dreams, the plain fact is Romney was a center-right conservative, and the same boring reality is that Biden is a center-left liberal. listen to Davethulhu: this is the guy who passed crime and corporate welfare bills for which the left dreams at night he’s burning at the stake. Just as the rational assumption is that Romney’s White House would have looked like Bush’s not Trump’s, Biden’s White House will look like Obama’s, not Bernie’s.

    The left wing is now dominant in his party.

    If that were true, the Democrat nominee would be named Sanders, not Biden.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  144. It speaks volumes that Donald Trump looks and sounds healthier w/Covid and three days at Walter Reed than Biden doee in Miami tonight.

    DCSCA (797bc0)


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