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10/3/2020

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:53 am



[guest post by Dana]

Here are a few news items to chew on. Feel free to share any news items you think might interest readers. Please remember to include links.

First news item

Oh, please, Tucker Carlson, stop embarrassing yourself:

TUCKER CARLSON: …in fact, the official message from the Democratic party is that Donald Trump had it coming.

CUT TO NANCY PELOSI: We all received that news with great sadness. I always pray for the President’s family that they’re safe, and I continue to do so, more intensified. This is tragic. It’s very sad. But it is also something that, again, going into crowds, uh, unmasked, and all the rest. It’s sort of a brazen invitation for something like this to happen.

TUCKER CARLSON: Brazen invitation. He asked for it. He was dressed provocatively.

Seriously?? He dressed provocatively is the garbage you’re pushing?? What willful dishonesty to ignore that the President has been rolling the dice on this for half a year. He has continually put himself and others at risk when it wasn’t necessary. He has not only refused to mask-up whenever he has been in close contact with people outside of his immediate family members with whom he lives, but he has pooh-poohed masks in general and even mocked and shamed those who have worn them! So, yes, in a sense the President of the United States brazenly invited something like this to happen. Tucker Carlson needs to stop making excuses and blaming Pelosi for something she didn’t do or imply, and let this man straight-up own his own behavior like an adult. I used to think that the Republican Party was all about self-responsibility.

Second news item

Another Republican tests positive:

Republican Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin has tested positive for coronavirus after being exposed to someone with the virus earlier this week, according to his spokesman, making him the third GOP senator to test positive in 24 hours and threatening the quick confirmation prospects of Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court.

Third news item

McConnell before Sen. Johnson’s positive test results::

Fourth news item

Ford Foundation president takes a bad tumble down the rabbit hole of wokeness:

In a recent interview, I used the term “tone deaf” inappropriately & out of context from its literal definition. I am deeply sorry for using this ableist language & apologize to the millions of people with disabilities and the disability community.

Since becoming the president of the Ford Foundation, we have committed to advancing justice and dignity for all people. Through this process, I have been on my own change journey to learn & understand more about the critical nature of justice and disability.

We are taking steps to center disability in all of our programmatic work to address inequality, our operations & hiring practices, but this is not enough. My use of this phrase as a pejorative was insensitive & undermines our intent to advance disability justice & inclusion.

I am deeply sorry and personally pledge to do better.

Fifth news item

Yet another one:

Sixth news item

Prayers and hope:

[A] 13-year-old Nigerian boy, Omar Farouq, has been sentenced by a Sharia court to ten years in prison after reportedly using blasphemous language about Allah in an argument with a friend. Omar Farouq’s lawyer told CNN the punishment goes against the Nigerian constitution and the African Charter of the Rights and Welfare of a Child…Piotr Cywinski is director of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum in Poland… didn’t write a pointed tweet or stern op-ed. He sent an open personal appeal to President Buhari for Omar Farouq to be pardoned.

“However,” he said, “if it turns out that the words of this child absolutely require 120 months of imprisonment, and even you are not able to change that, I suggest that in place of the child, 120 adult volunteers from all over the world — myself personally among them — should each serve a month in a Nigerian prison.”

Seventh news item

Say what??

“If the President can get this virus, then it tells us a lot about our ability to protect ourselves from it.”

Eighth news item

A sourced timeline of events surrounding Trump:

timeline

Question:

Note:

caveat

Who you gonna believe?

Have a good weekend. Stay healthy.

–Dana

469 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (292df6)

  2. Has anybody already posted this?

    Weird Al Yankovic: “WE’RE ALL DOOMED”

    Brilliant. Terrifying, but brilliant.

    Dave (1bb933)

  3. Good morning, Dana!

    Dave (1bb933)

  4. “If the President can get this virus, then it tells us a lot about our ability to protect ourselves from it.”

    What it tells us is, don’t be an idiot and not take the social distancing measures we’ve known about for months on end to protect ourselves. The President has steadfastly refused to take the necessary pre-cautions and now has the virus. I would wager that the vast majority of Americans who do take the necessary precautions are not going to become infected. Tucker Carlson seems determined to relieve Trump of any personal responsibility.

    Dana (292df6)

  5. Prayers that Chris Christie, who is clearly a high-risk individual, comes out of this without complications.

    Dana (292df6)

  6. ‘It’s a hoax. There’s no pandemic': Trump’s base stays loyal as president fights Covid

    Sean Patterson is not worried that Donald Trump has been hospitalized with coronavirus because he believes what the president tells him.

    “It’s a hoax. There’s no pandemic. As Trump said, how many millions die of flu?” said the 56-year-old truck driver outside the early voting station in St Joseph, Missouri – a stronghold for the president.

    But then Patterson pauses and contemplates the possibility that Trump really does have Covid-19.

    “If he’s sick, then they planted it when they tested him. It’s what they did to me when I went to hospital for my heart beating too fast. Two weeks later I got a cold,” he said. “It’s political. I don’t trust the US government at all. Who are they to mandate personal safety? I listen to Trump.”

    His vote counts as much as Dustin’s.

    nk (1d9030)

  7. Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
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    Watching the press grill a Walter Reed doctor and question his motives and ethics more than the Democrat nominee for President is a sight to behold.

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    harkin (6a5785)

  8. With 31% of democrats glad he got it, i sense that here, go with the flow.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  9. The obsession with Trump’s heath, time lines and tick-tock of events is laughable– an infuriating.

    What about Hidin’ Biden? His uneven public performances, his questionable health status… is h on any meds? Why keep giving Plagiarist JoeyBee a pass on this? Why??? Where’s the hard-hitting questions about the multiple brain surgeries at Walter Reed for a POTUS candidate?

    BIDEN RESTING AFTER SURGERY FOR SECOND BRAIN ANERYUSM

    Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. underwent surgery today to correct an aneurysm in an artery that supplies blood to the right side of the brain, a spokesman for the Walter Reed Army Medical Center said.

    The spokesman, Peter Esker, said Senator Biden was awake, resting comfortably and talking with his family after the operation, his second this year to correct an aneurysm. An aneurysm is a ballooning of an artery.

    The 4 1/2-hour procedure was similar to that performed Feb. 12 on the left side of Mr. Biden’s brain. Under the procedure, a surgeon using a microscope pinches the aneurysm with a clip, bringing the walls of the artery together. The clip remains in the patient.

    Mr. Esker said there are no signs of any other aneurysms, adding that the second was much smaller than the first.

    ”The Senator is awake and alert, oriented, moving all extremities well and is conversing with his family,” Mr. Esker said. ”He is expected to be hospitalized about 10 days and then would go home to recuperate.”

    Senator Biden, a 45-year-old Delaware Democrat, is chairman of the Judiciary Committee.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/04/us/biden-resting-after-surgery-for-second-brain-aneurysm.html

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  10. Screw your ‘thoughts and prayers’ part those hair plugs— show the world your brain surgery scars you got at Walter Reed, Joe!

    Another Chris Wallace failure.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  11. If the timeline being reported by Trump’s doctors is correct, he received an antibody treatment one hour before leaving for his NJ fundraiser, where he warned no one he was exposing them to infection.

    That’s the behavior of a psychopath.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  12. But it is also something that, again, going into crowds, uh, unmasked, and all the rest. It’s sort of a brazen invitation for something like this to happen.

    In two brief sentences, Pelosi placed more blame on Trump than she’s directed at China in nine months. But, she’s not alone.

    beer ‘n pretzels (f87cf5)

  13. @11. And Plagiarist JoeyBee??

    That’s the behavior of the brain-damaged.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. Tucker Carlson seems determined to relieve Trump of any personal responsibility.

    Right! BTW, don’t call it the Wuhan Virus or Chinese Virus.

    beer ‘n pretzels (f87cf5)

  15. Watching the press grill a Walter Reed doctor and question his motives and ethics more than the Democrat nominee for President is a sight to behold.

    Since Trump is known to have previously dictated false statements to his physician for the express purpose of deceiving the American people about his health, on multiple occasions, the press is absolutely justified in pursuing any loose ends or inconsistencies.

    Dave (1bb933)

  16. I would wager that the vast majority of Americans who do take the necessary precautions are not going to become infected.

    Once he’s president, how long do you think Biden can hide in his bunker?

    beer ‘n pretzels (f87cf5)

  17. the press is absolutely justified in pursuing any loose ends or inconsistencies.

    Now do Biden.

    beer ‘n pretzels (f87cf5)

  18. In two brief sentences, Pelosi placed more blame on Trump than she’s directed at China in nine months. But, she’s not alone.

    I have no idea what Pelosi has or hasn’t said. If she’s let China off the hook, she should be criticized for it. But here’s the deal: China’s lies and Trump’s lies are each responsible for tens of thousands of needless deaths. I’ve yet to see you or any other Trump apologist direct an iota of blame at one of them, while pretending the other bears all the responsibility. Why do you suppose that is?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  19. Once he’s president, how long do you think Biden can hide in his bunker?

    beer ‘n pretzels (f87cf5) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:45 am

    Conservatives should be pleased if he goes four years that way. I don’t need the president to be a presence in my life. Trump’s need for attention put him in the hospital. Biden may not be much of a leader, but the basement campaign was much wiser. You better hope the polls are way way way off because it looks like there was no downside.

    Honestly don’t you want the federal government to cool it generally?

    Dustin (4237e0)

  20. So youre in the 31%,

    I dont want court packing end of fossil fuels o rourkes gun confiscation, and police defunding you do

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  21. Which is sadder? Trump getting Covid-19 or that more people will vote (yes, they will) for Obama’s impeachment insurance than will for Trump?

    If you’re inclined that way, which is funnier?

    As long as they vote in the swing states. As long it’s in the swing states.

    nk (1d9030)

  22. I’ve yet to see you or any other Trump apologist direct an iota of blame at one of them, while pretending the other bears all the responsibility.

    Are you new here?

    If all you read were the comments here for the past nine months, you’d think Trump concocted the virus himself and shipped it to China. If you’re starving to hear an iota of blame directed at Trump, you can OD on that just by turning on your phone or teevee. Try it.

    beer ‘n pretzels (0b60f3)

  23. In two brief sentences, Pelosi placed more blame on Trump than she’s directed at China in nine months.

    In the second week of January, China’s government waited a week too long before initiating an all-out response to the virus, which had been identified for the first time during the first week of January.

    Now, in October, ten months after it was discovered, and more than nine months after China started taking the virus seriously, Trump still has yet to do so, and is now infected due to willfully ignoring everything learned about containing it in those ten months.

    Who deserves more blame?

    Dave (1bb933)

  24. Ron Johnson tests positive for Covid 19. Third GOP senator. He attended Typhoid Amy’s Rose Garden Bugfest, too. Tat’s three GOP senators sidelined; Senators must show up to vote, too– so Amy’s confirmation vote may end up circling the field, burning fuel, waiting to land.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  25. On February 29, 2020, Trump made a beautiful trade deal with Xi Jinping who assured him that China had the virus under control. He then let in, and went on to convince his base that it was a Democrat hoax while it decimate America. And these are facts.

    nk (1d9030)

  26. David French:

    It’s a popular theme of right-wing blue checks to look at angry Trump opponents on this website and sneer that Trump “broke” them. Might I suggest that if you look at the events since last Saturday and you’re NOT angry, then you might be the broken one?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  27. @17. You mean brain-damaged plagiarist, hiden’ Joe Biden???

    Ohhhh, THAT guy. Isn’t he running for POTUS and nearly 78? 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  28. David French is irrelevant.

    He has been Bill Buckley’d.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. If all you read were the comments here for the past nine months, you’d think Trump concocted the virus himself and shipped it to China.

    That’s very nice, but what does it have to do with anything I said? I know there are plenty of honest, intelligent, normal people who comment here. I was talking about Trump apologists.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  30. Once he’s president, how long do you think Biden can hide in his bunker?

    If he took any unscreened questions he’d surely be asked to explain the difference between a bunker and a tomb. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  31. Now do Biden.

    Do you have evidence that Biden ordered his doctors to release false information about his health? And done so multiple times?

    Dave (1bb933)

  32. David French is irrelevant.

    To you, maybe. But conservatives will need all the David Frenchs they can get when it comes time to build a new movement on the ashes of what Trump did to the old one.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  33. Is Biden still shuffling around with a piece of metal in his brain, implanted in 1988? Does it affect his speech and thought patterns? Does he hear voices? Or Beau? Does he set off airport security devices? Does it disrupt his cellphone reception? Do refrigerator magnets stick to his hair plugs? These are the sort of questions today’s hard-hitting media should be pummeling Biden with, daily. Just like they do to Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. “Dressed provocatively” applies to the powerless girl, where the predator tries to excuse his assault by saying that the girl showed him a leg and enticed him into rape. Trump is not the powerless girl, he’s the predator. He forced his stupid foolish buffoonery onto others.
    Pelosi controls behavior in the House of Representatives, so she can order masking and social distancing within her realm, and she can push through legislation to help abate, and that’s about all she can do. Trump controls the executive branch and all the departments under him, including CDC and FDA, and he has the bully pulpit to communicate a singular message. So while we can criticize Pelosi for her miscues, she’s not the problem, Trump is.
    Jon Adler has a piece on the confirmation hearings on Ms. Barrett. Unless McConnell changes the rules on remote voting, it may be a challenge to confirm her.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  35. @33. To the world, certainly. Conservative whine is merely bitter dregs in 2020. He’s been Bill Buckley’d.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. Cocaine Mitch could change the rules to allow remote voting, but to do so would require an in-person vote…

    They’ll bring the whole GOP caucus onto the floor of the senate in hazmat suits if they need to.

    Watching that on TV the week before the election would be the piece de resistance…

    Dave (1bb933)

  37. @37.Might wan to check on the Senate dress code– it’s pretty strict: Hazmat suits and flip-flops ain’t on the list.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  38. A White House official is disputing Dr. Conley’s timeline, saying Trump wasn’t diagnosed and treated until Thursday night. I’m inclined to believe the correction, but then my middle name is Charlie Brown.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  39. I am going to go out on a limb here and that anyone who got this after, oh, the end of April, did so by being stupid, and/or being around people who had been stupid.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  40. Here’s the deal. Trump is faking it. He does not have Covid-19. We learned from Bronstein and the Rear Admiral that what his doctors say is as meaningless as what he says. They’re in on the hoax.

    The other people around him who are testing positive for Covid-19? He had some stooge cross-infect them for corroboration. Do you doubt that he would?

    nk (1d9030)

  41. Might wan to check on the Senate dress code– it’s pretty strict

    One of the reasons I’ve never been a senator.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  42. @31. You’re kidding, right? In February, ’88 Biden attributed his Monty-Python-‘my-brain-hurts’ episodes to episodes of increasingly severe neck pain; a pinched nerve and a viral infection.

    The result: multiple brain surgeries.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  43. If he’s sick, then they planted it when they tested him.

    The Doctor’s Plot!

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  44. Do you have evidence that Biden ordered his doctors to release false information about his health? And done so multiple times?

    Do you have evidence you won’t be shaking your pom poms for four years while the media lobs nothing but beach ball questions to Biden?

    beer ‘n pretzels (7af8c0)

  45. As long as 51 Republicans are physically present, the rules are whatever they want them to be.

    Dave (1bb933)

  46. Do you have evidence you won’t be shaking your pom poms for four years while the media lobs nothing but beach ball questions to Biden?

    beer ‘n pretzels (7af8c0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:34 am

    U mad?

    Dustin (4237e0)

  47. Do you have evidence you won’t be shaking your pom poms for four years while the media lobs nothing but beach ball questions to Biden?

    I’ll take that as a “no.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  48. @45.Four years????? Have you heard and see him??????

    There has to be a Vegas line on this already: President Harris; 24 months or less.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  49. multiple brain surgeries.

    For an aneurysm.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  50. At the tone, the year will be 1988 2020.

    nk (1d9030)

  51. @50. Multiple brain surgeries— he ain’t factory- fresh;there’s a reason they put those stickers on your computer hard drive warning you not to pen the as it voids the warranty.

    Seems there’s at least one foreign object still in his head– and it ain’t intellect.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  52. President Harris; 24 months or less.

    There is great incentive for them to wait 24 months and a day, so that Harris can run as an incumbent twice.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  53. @51. No doubt Biden ‘hears’ those GMT tones in his head– hourly. Turns on the sprinklers for the hair plugs.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  54. Multiple brain surgeries

    What are you implying? Or do you just prefer to leave it unstated and sinister?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  55. @53. Hot flash: or she’s through menopause by then.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  56. I find hilarious the suggestion that the entire Democratic Party, including many of her rivals who garnered more support from voters in this year’s primaries, has unanimously decided to convert itself, totally, unconditionally, and permanently, into an organization whose sole purpose is to advance Kamala Harris’s career…

    Dave (1bb933)

  57. @55. The implication of multiple brain surgeries is self-explanatory.

    What are you implying?

    Don’t pull the factory-sealed sticker off your computer hard-drive when you open it; it voids the warranty.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  58. I’ve updated the post with an eighth news item: a sourced timeline of the events surround Trump and his positive test.

    Dana (292df6)

  59. I’ve updated the post with an eighth news item: a sourced timeline of the events surround Trump and his positive test.

    Why do you hate America?

    Dave (1bb933)

  60. This explains the Remdesivir.

    Sources close to Trump tell ABC News the president was having trouble breathing and received supplemental oxygen on Friday at the White House after his oxygen levels dropped.

    As I understand, they only administer that drug if the patient is on oxygen, and it was reported elsewhere that they’re giving Trump Remdisivir. The problem is that we’re not getting this from official sources, it’s from establishment media working theirs.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  61. Gee, Kevin, if Plagiarist JoeyBee had the courage to take unscreened questions,followed his ‘be honest’ pledge, maybe the press chould grill Biden about those brain surgeries for 10 or 20 minutes. Or would 220 volts going through his 120 volt lines short him out?

    What’s to hide?

    Oh. Right. Multiple brain surgeries.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. @63 Just keep yapping man.

    Dave (1bb933)

  63. @60.CNN is reporting a source says Trump rec’d supplemental oxygen. A nurse would know better whether this is SOP or just more catnip for a frisky press.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  64. Trump’s COVID Diagnosis Spooks Russia: ‘Our Candidate is Sick’
    ……..
    …….. [I]nitial reactions in the Russian state media encompassed a full spectrum of emotions—ranging from sympathy to schadenfreude. Discussing Trump’s COVID-19 diagnosis, Evgeny Popov, the host of Russian state media news talk show 60 Minutes, said, “Our candidate got sick.” …….
    ………
    The participants of 60 Minutes didn’t limit themselves to well-wishes and kindest regards. Deputy of the State Duma Aleksey Zhuravlyov smugly noted, “I’m glad that COVID got involved in the presidential race and it will most likely win. Not Joe Biden or Trump, but COVID will win.” Popov pondered out loud, “So we’ve been interfering and interfering, but all of that was for naught?”
    ………..
    Russian state media outlet RT published a cartoon image of U.S. President Donald J. Trump in a coffin, after the image made the rounds on the internet. Pondering about the worst case scenario, 60 Minutes described the unfolding situation in the United States as “the perfect storm.” Popov speculated that President Trump had infected the U.S. government in its entirety and cheerfully expressed Russia’s readiness to take control over America’s nuclear button.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  65. @64. Do left side and right side brain surgeries affect “yapping”– Mr. Biden?

    What’s to hide, Davey?

    Oh. Right. Multiple brain surgeries.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  66. Somebody should point at Bien’s head and shout- “Hey Joe, you get Beau and Netflix on that thing?”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  67. Trump’s COVID Diagnosis Spooks Russia: ‘Our Candidate is Sick’

    Trump’s DontCallItWuhanFlu Diagnosis has China High Fiving: ‘We Got Our Candidate’s Opponent Sick’

    beer ‘n pretzels (7af8c0)

  68. @67 I’ll defer to your familiarity with brain damage, which is clearly extensive.

    Dave (1bb933)

  69. White House doctor says Trump coronavirus symptoms improving while sidestepping questions

    White House physician Sean Conley said Saturday that President Trump is doing “very well” after being hospitalized with coronavirus and that his symptoms of a mild cough, nasal congestion and fatigue are improving, while sidestepping questions about Trump’s treatment and creating uncertainty about the timeline of his diagnosis.

    “At this time the team and I are extremely happy with the progress the president has made,” Conley told reporters outside Walter Reed Medical Center, where Trump was hospitalized Friday evening. “Thursday, he had a mild cough and some nasal congestion and fatigue, all of which are now resolving and improving.”

    At the same time, a source familiar with the president’s health told reporters that the president’s vitals over the past 24 hours were “very concerning” and described the next 48 hours as “critical in terms of his care.”
    ………
    Conley did not give a date when he expects Trump to be released from the hospital, but said the president has been fever-free for over 24 hours after experiencing a fever “Thursday into Friday.” Conley declined to disclose the specific temperature of the president’s fever.

    At the first press briefing from a doctor since Trump announced his positive test early Friday morning, Conley danced around questions about whether the president had ever been on oxygen, repeatedly saying he was not currently on it. He later said that Trump had not been on it Thursday, Friday or Saturday. Conley also said that Trump has not experienced difficulty breathing.
    ………
    The doctors did not give a date of the president’s last negative test, which is important for understanding when exactly he contracted the virus and conducting contact tracing of those who might have become infected from contact with him.
    …………..
    The more that leaks dominate the news the worse it is for the White House. The doctors and the White House need provide clear and accurate information, even it’s bad news. The more “happy talk” from them the bigger the shock when things go bad. But they won’t.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  70. @67. Personal attack betray a lost arguement, Davey.

    Joe knows why to avoid questions on multiple brain surgeries.

    Same reason he avoid qustions on plagiarism, faked stories about military award ceremonies, his college credentials, going to prison w/Mandela– and growing up in Scranton– which he left at age 10 and has not lived there in 67 years.

    His campaign pledge: ‘Be honest’– is a lie.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  71. ^69.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  72. ^70. Davey gets it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. Hunter Biden’s network of wealthy, corrupt foreigners stretched from Moscow to Beijing

    The Senate Republican report this week on Hunter Biden shows he amassed a network of shady foreign clients who pumped millions of dollars into his bank accounts — all while his dad, Joseph R. Biden, served as vice president.

    The report traced the bank transfers based on U.S. government reports that “show potential criminal activity” by Mr. Biden, other family members, and business partners. The report’s phrasing is a sure indicator that Hunter Biden and his associates showed up by name in confidential Suspicious Activity Reports (SARS) issued by the Treasury Department.

    In one instance, after Hunter Biden transferred nearly $2 million to his uncle––the money ultimately connected to Chinese businessmen––the bank inquired about the large amount. It then closed the account when the Bidens were not forthcoming, the Senate report said.

    Hunter Biden’s financial sources: a Russian oligarch; a Ukraine oligarch; a Kazakhstan holding company and Chinese businessmen tied to the Communist Party and People’s Liberation Army (PLA).

    Meanwhile, Hunter Biden, who has fought drug addiction, sent thousands of dollars to Russian and Ukraine women tied to human trafficking and prostitution, the report said.

    Here are Mr. Biden’s major sources of big money, according to the senate report.

    The Ukraine energy firm Burisma Holdings and its oligarch boss, Mykola Zlochevsky.

    The State Department views Mr. Zlochevsky as one of the most corrupt men in Ukraine. He paid a $25 million bribe to the public prosecutor investigating his alleged money laundering, the Senate report said.

    In April 2014, Vice President Biden became the Obama administration’s point man on Ukraine. His mission: convince the former Soviet state to tamp down rampant corruption.

    The next month, Hunter Biden showed up on Burisma’s board of directors. He joined his business partner Devon Archer.

    On the day in 2014 that Vice President Biden addressed the Ukraine parliament as the new Obama administration point man, Novatus Holding, a private company in Singapore, used a Latvian bank to wire $142,300 to Rosemont Seneca Bohai. The transaction report said “for Rosemont Seneca Bohai LLC for a car.”

    The sole shareholder of Novatus is Kenges Rakishev who has ties to Kazakhstan’s power elite. He sent the money to Hunter Biden’s partner at a time when the country was debating whether to approve of Russian’s invasion of Crimea that February.

    Mr. Biden gleaned millions of dollars from China.

    “Hunter Biden has extensive connections to Chinese businesses and Chinese foreign nationals that are linked to the Communist government,” the Senate report said. “Those contacts bore financial fruit when his father was vice president and after he left office.”

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  74. Politicians In Line Behind Trump Say They’re Coronavirus-Free. But It May Be Too Soon To Know If That’s True.
    ………
    ………[N]egative results, especially in the first few days of being infected, are not as conclusive as they may seem. Medical experts caution that they can’t be taken as a definitive sign that people are not infected, and operating under a false assumption of a clean bill of health could put others at risk.
    ……..
    “There’s no single test that you can give someone and have absolute certainty they don’t have COVID,” Bill Morice, chair of laboratory medicine and pathology at the Mayo Clinic, told BuzzFeed News.

    Under the 25th Amendment to the Constitution, Pence is next in the line of succession, followed by Pelosi and then Chuck Grassley, the Senate president pro tempore (a position generally given to the most senior senator in the majority party). Grassley had not come into contact with the president as recently as the others, but he did attend a hearing this week with Sen. Mike Lee, who tested positive Friday. Grassley, who has said he will not be tested, is followed by the secretary of state, Pompeo, and then the Treasury secretary, Mnuchin.
    ……..
    Whether leaders in the line of succession and other members of Trump’s administration got infected would depend on factors such as how much time they spent with someone who tested positive, whether they were indoors or outdoors, and whether they were masked and keeping a distance from one another. But whether a test would pick up on that infection depends on when they got infected.
    ……..
    What’s risky is if people get tested too early on, like within the first one or two days of an exposure, when the amount of virus in the body is too low to be detected. A person could get an inaccurate negative result and then, falsely believing they are healthy, possibly spread it to others.

    “A negative test early after exposure tells you nothing about whether you’re infected or not,” said Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, in an interview Friday. “If somebody walks over right now and coughs in my face and I get the virus, it’s going to take a while for the virus to infect the tissues and replicate. A test today would be 100% negative. A test tomorrow would be close to 100% negative. A test on Sunday might be positive. But I would probably turn positive three to five days after exposure.”
    ………

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  75. @75-
    Well, I certainly won’t be voting for Hunter Biden for President…….or anyone else in 2020.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  76. Not too concerned about what the doctors are ‘reporting’ about Trump.

    Reagan was a lot closer to death than was revealed an reported at the time– something his doctors and family kept from the public for years. There’s a lot to consider beyond the supposed ‘right to know’– market reactions, national security issues and so forth. Go back and review how many CICs had ‘issues’ which were kept or cloaked from the public in the immediacy only to be revealed much later. Start w/Wilson.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  77. There’s a lot to consider beyond the supposed ‘right to know’– market reactions, national security issues and so forth

    I agree, though we all assume the worst about Trump. The instability is baked in the cake because this administration’s spokesmen are so dishonest to their country, day in an day out. We have an election coming.

    I’m not sympathetic to market reactions though. The president needs to stop caring about it, because it is no longer meaningful. Care about whether people can get a decent job, nothing more or less.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  78. Looking at Covid from a non-US viewpoint.

    Marci (3afcd8)

  79. Covid in 7 graphs

    Sorry, forgot to close the link.

    Marci (3afcd8)

  80. The more positive descriptions of Trump’s health (without details) the worse things really are. Especially given his own dissembling about COVID as revealed by the Woodward tapes.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  81. Ah Tucker, the man that should not be held responsible for defamation because everyone knows he’s a bloviating liar who can’t be taken seriously. At least that’s what Fox testified to in court.

    @39 Even if you believe their timeline, Trump still met with a bunch of donors when he wasn’t feeling well AND they still failed to inform anyone who was at the debate or the subsequent fundraisers that they all could’ve been exposed.

    @75 Guess we shouldn’t elect Hunter Biden to be President.

    Nic (896fdf)

  82. @79. All the more reason to grill Biden on his own medical status brain surgeries and so forth. Don’t really think the ‘market’ reaction comes from Trump– it’s part of his act but that’s ‘baked in’ to the bigger picture by his economic team- and Wall Street input. That would go for whoever is in office, a D or R. It effects both the U.S. and int’l markets. Global economy; it’s not just a Trump thing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  83. I’m not sympathetic to market reactions though. The president needs to stop caring about it, because it is no longer meaningful. Care about whether people can get a decent job, nothing more or less.

    As the last few months have shown, a strong stock market is no guarantee of a strong jobs market. But a weak stock market does virtually guarantee a weak jobs market. So he can’t ignore stocks entirely. It’s just that, as usual per this SOB, he’s got the corrupt Mar-a-Lago tail wagging the working class dog. To which injury he then adds the insult of scamming his credulous blue collar base into thinking it’s them he’s fighting for.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  84. @82. And what do Woodward’s tapes reveal about the health and multiple brain surgeries of Plagiarist Joe Biden?????

    Oh. Right.

    Joe’s a record player guy, anyway. Like his age: 78s

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. For you, BnP-

    Trump Allies: China Infected Trump With COVID-19
    ……….
    “The Chinese Communist Party has biologically attacked our President,” declared Blair Brandt, a top Trump campaign fundraiser and an adviser to Lara Trump, the president’s daughter-in-law. “China must be held accountable,” he added. “From Wuhan to the White House, China must pay for what it’s done.”

    While she stopped short of accusing China of biological warfare, Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-GA) also pinned blame for the president’s diagnosis on the Chinese government and demanded retaliatory measures. “Remember: China gave this virus to our President @realDonaldTrump and First Lady @FLOTUS,” Loeffler wrote on Twitter on Friday morning. “WE MUST HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.”
    ……..
    Exactly how was this done? Did someone plant the virus in a White House take out order?

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  86. The more positive descriptions of Trump’s health (without details) the worse things really are.

    Wishcasting on overdrive.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  87. Trump’s ego being impossible to sate, the prevarications/lies of omission by his care team are perfectly understandable.

    It’s beyond stupid, though. Once legitimate concerns arise as to the veracity of the data we are given, THAT becomes a huge issue of itself.

    The sympathy angle is greatly enhanced if the nature of the illness is known to be more severe than benign. It pays to exaggerate, not reduce, the actual peril.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  88. @82.The more positive descriptions of Reagan’s health (without details) the worse things really are.

    Flashback, 1981: FIFY.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  89. Exactly how was this done? Did someone plant the virus in a White House take out order?

    Love the incredulous response, from someone who has blamed Trump for every Covid death.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  90. The definitive Joe Biden interview:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrCPIrs90eg

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. ‘ God-tier genetics’: A stunned MAGA world offers blame, adulation after Trump’s diagnosis

    Donald Trump’s coronavirus diagnosis has stunned MAGA world, but it hasn’t changed how it reacts to bad news: blame others, accuse the left of craven behavior and cling tighter to the president.
    ……..
    Out on the MAGA world fringes, people were divided. Some swiftly predicted rosy outcomes — the president was already healthy, he could take hydroxychloroquine, a much-hyped drug Trump has touted as a Covid-19 treatment with no conclusive evidence. Others concocted theories that the Democrats were, somehow, trying to steal the election once again.
    ……..
    Yet the base’s response mirrors the way Trump has instructed his followers to react to any pandemic-related news: downplay, craft optimistic storylines and accuse the Democrats and media of obfuscation and vitriol. It’s how the president has reacted to nearly every unwelcome pandemic-related development in recent months, whether it was early concerns over personal protective equipment and hospital space, or a death toll that recently surpassed 200,000.
    ……..
    “He works 20 hours a day. I think he’ll be tough,” said Mike Lindell, CEO of MyPillow and a Trump surrogate flirting with the Minnesota governorship, in an interview. “He’s a fighter. It’ll be tough to keep him down.”
    ……..
    “ You’ve never seen him sick. You’ve never seen him without energy,” Brenden Dilley, a self-described “MAGA life coach,” told his viewers on his radio show Friday. “[He’s] not walking around with weak-ass, p—- f—— genetics. He ain’t got those liberal genes. These are, like, god-tier genetics; top 1-percentile genetics.”
    ………
    ……… Trump’s most fervent supporters could hardly accept that Trump caught the disease in the first place, with some suggesting the Democrats — or perhaps the “deep state” — were somehow to blame.

    “Does anyone else find it odd that no prominent Democrats have had the virus but the list of Republicans goes on and on?” tweeted DeAnna Lorraine, a former congressional candidate who has backed baseless theories from the QAnon conspiracy movement, going on to blast masks as a Democrat-backed lie and questioning whether China had technically made an “assassination attempt” on the first family.

    In the conspiracy swamps of QAnon social media, there was, oddly, a sense of elation: Trump’s infection was, in their opinion, another sign that Trump’s plan to purge the government of pedophiles was about to reach a culmination.
    ………
    And on Friday, according to various QAnon theorists, Trump had left a secret message to his followers in his announcement on Twitter that he had tested positive for Covid-19. Some suggested that his use of the word “together” was, in fact, code for “to get her,” a reference to attacks on his 2016 rival, Hillary Clinton. Others thought Trump’s quarantining was part of a broader plan to isolate the president from potential violence associated with the upcoming election.
    ………
    This would be Comedy Gold! if there weren’t so many people who actually believe this and are willing to act upon it.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  92. This:

    Conley has now jeopardized his own ability to be believed by the public. It is in part because he is adhering to the wishes of a patient who does not want the information about yesterday disclosed, according to people briefed on what has taken place so far.

    For his entire life, the president has been phobic about illness and extremely wary of hospitals, according to people who know him personally or have worked with him. He would not have gone to a hospital if he was feeling relatively fine.

    A key thing Conley said is that the course the virus is taking in the president will reach a critical period where it becomes clear in 7-10 days (presumably meaning from onset of symptoms). It will take some days to know the prognosis.

    Dana (292df6)

  93. Love the incredulous response, from someone who has blamed Trump for every Covid death.

    It’s called sarcasm. Trump is responsible for the ACB Covid Party, and it backfired bigly. He could have easily enforced mask wearing on the White House and Air Force 1, but chose not to. His national coronavirus policy is non-existent, resulting in some states opening themselves to escalating infection rates. It is his own fault.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  94. These are, like, god-tier genetics; top 1-percentile genetics.

    Does God have bone-spurs too?
    It’s funny how the MAGA-heads are so eager to parrot Trump’s own claims to be naturally, genetically superior to everyone else — at the same time as they’re decrying the arrogant “elites” who think they’re better than others.

    There’s always an exception for Trump.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  95. Per Ben Collins (who follows conspiracy movements so we don’t have to), QAnon are feeling betrayed that Trump isn’t taking hydroxychloroquine.

    Lol.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  96. Covid in 7 graphs

    About Swiss Policy Research…

    Swiss Policy Research (SPR) (before May 2020 Swiss Propaganda Research) is a website launched in 2016, which describes itself as “an independent nonprofit research group investigating geopolitical propaganda in Swiss and international media”. The editors of the site are unknown, but they claim that “SPR is composed of independent academics and receives no external funding”.[1] The site has been widely criticised for spreading conspiracy theories, especially during the times of the COVID-19 pandemic when it has become a source of misinformation and disinformation internationally.[2] The site has been categorized as a tool of propaganda.[3] It has also been noted that, contrary to what the title suggests, the contents of the site are likely created outside of Switzerland.[4]

    Why are all the participants anonymous? More

    The website also promotes other unproven conspiracy theories such as the majority of the USA media being controlled by The Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderbergs, and the Trilateral Commission. While there is no question there is a corporate monopoly in USA media ownership, there isn’t evidence to support their claims. This story again uses Wikipedia as a source, which they have discredited numerous times. In general, this is a conspiracy website that is not credible due to poor sourcing and lack of transparency.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  97. Let’s review Trump’s observations about genetic superiority:

    “I have Ivy League education, smart guy, good genes. I have great genes and all that stuff which I’m a believer in,” Trump said at a 2016 rally in Biloxi, Mississippi.

    “I’m a gene believer,” Trump told CNN in 2010. “Hey, when you connect two racehorses, you get usually end up with a fast horse.”

    “I’m proud to have that German blood … great stuff,” Trump said in a 2014 documentary.

    During a tour in May of a Ford manufacturing facility in Ypsilanti, Michigan, the president praised *Henry Ford’s “good bloodlines.”

    Dana (292df6)

  98. Dana, that quote is amazing.

    He looks and acts like you crossed dwight schrute with jared loughner, and then put him 400 million in debt.

    It’s inconvenient to political entities over history, but mutts are genetically superior for the most part. Those pure racehorses don’t actually have a great life, they wouldn’t be the best horse in the world.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  99. 99. You can add to those what he said at a recent rally in Minnesota:

    “You have good genes, you know that, right? […] You have good genes. A lot of it is about the genes, isn’t it, don’t you believe? The racehorse theory. You think we’re so different? You have good genes in Minnesota.”

    After which he informed the genetically blessed crowd that Joe Biden would turn Minnesota, which has a sizable Somali population, into a refugee camp.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  100. He sounds more like a retarded, sorry differently abled, Goebbels.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  101. It’s weird how someone who boasts of having “great German blood,” and who warns heavily Nordic Minnesotans about an influx of a different sort of people, might be considered racist.

    There are reasonable concerns about the results of a large and rapid infux of people from a very different culture who believe that the host country should adapt to them, not vice versa, and I’ve seen lots of evidence of the problems that arise in that situation (e.g. more violence in European cities that used to be quite safe; more restrictions on what the indigenous population may say or do). But the idea that Trump had any deep understanding of those issues was always fantasy.

    He has made it all about genetics — while boasting of his membership in the Master Race — thus discrediting any discussion of the cultural questions.

    And some people who used to be insightful on the cultural questions have discredited themselves with their insistence that Trump was the best answer, or the only answer.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  102. so who screwed up here

    The squirrels, obviously.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  103. Reuters
    @Reuters

    Pope signs new encyclical, but is title inclusive enough? http://reut.rs/2GdIDLt
    __ _

    Maria Del Greco
    @MariaDelGreco1
    ·
    Being Italian I can assure you that we use the word “Fratelli “ to mean brothers and sisters so it is inclusive.
    __ _

    Christopher Brown
    @caaronbrown
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    American liberalism sets its sights on the Italian language
    __ _

    KevinGutzman
    @KevinGutzman
    ·
    Looking forward to Reuters’ next linguistic critique of a fatwa.
    __ _

    Troll Not A Bot
    @TrollNotABot1

    Is it written in Latinx?
    __ _

    harkin (6a5785)

  104. But the idea that Trump had any deep understanding of those issues was always fantasy.

    Taking issue with that might provoke a very deep “you ain’t black” response.

    beer ‘n pretzels (59865f)

  105. “Clearly the doctor must think journalists are stupid. He keeps dodging and dodging their questions.” – Wolf Blitzer, CNN 5:05 P EDT, 10/3/20

    Well, Wolf, if the shoe fits. When was the last time “journalists” quizzed brain-damaged Plagiarist Joe Biden about his multiple brain surgeries, his history of plagiarism, his faked stories about military award ceremonies, arrest w/Mandela, faked college credentials and, again, his multiple brain surgeries.

    Where’s Sam Donaldson when you need him?

    Ask Joe, Wolf. ASK HIM… stupid.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  106. “But the idea that Trump had any deep understanding of those issues was always fantasy.”

    Taking issue with that might provoke a very deep “you ain’t black” response.

    Taking issue with what? And who would be “taking issue”? And who would be responding thus?

    Is it your belief that Trump has actually studied the cultural (and historical) questions I’m referring to?

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  107. You know, if only someone–anyone–would bring up Biden’s “multiple brain surgeries” in order to squirrel attention away from a fat 74-year old in the hospital with CV19, on supplemental oxygen.

    But there was the release of a three-page summary from Biden’s doctor, and it addresses those brain surgeries. I suppose his detractors could chant, “We demand an update to his 2014 CT angiogram!”

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  108. harkin,

    I responded to your question about Mormons and Coke on the preceding thread.

    norcal (a5428a)

  109. @109. Are you high or just hate Trump so much you’re in a blind rage? There is no third option. Trump’s doctors put out ‘releases’ about his health repeatedly long ago and the press hounds and hounds the doctors. It doesn’t stop the press badgering. The multiple brain surgeries of Joe Biden are hardly squirrel attention– unless you are nuts, too. Wallace should have asked him about his heath right off.

    Biden’s cranium has been pried open and his brain tissue tinkered with multiple times. He has some medical device still implanted in his brain tissue per the NYT report in 1988. The status of Biden’s brain, his thinking processes, his mental acuity and his emotional mindset are fair game for a 78 year old seeking the presidency. Unless you hate Trump so much you’re willing to risk having another Wilson. Or a President Harris. American voters deserve to hear from Biden’s own mouth, in his own words, the status of his head today and his overall health andif he can’t stand up- kiterally and figuratively– to a 45 minyute press conference on it he sure as hell won’t be able to stand up to China– or Russia.

    … and Putin smiled.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  110. BREAKING NEWS:
    The strain of CV19 currently infecting PDT has just signed up for its own Twitter account.

    qdpsteve (8d496a)

  111. Perseveration definitions

    The tendency of an idea, impression, experience, etc. to persist or recur, or of an individual to continue a particular mental activity without the ability to shift easily to another at a change in stimulus.
    noun

    The persistent and pathological repetition of a verbal or motor response, often seen in organic brain disease and schizophrenia.
    noun

    The act or an instance of persevering; perseverance.
    noun

    Perseveration is defined as the tendency of an idea to stick in your mind or recur, or getting stuck on something mentally and not being able to shift gears.
    When an autistic child becomes fixed on counting and keeps counting the same series of numbers over and over, this is an example of perseveration.
    noun

    The act or an instance of persevering; perseverance.
    noun

    (psychology) Uncontrollable repetition of a particular response, such as a word, phrase, or gesture, despite the absence or cessation of a stimulus, usually caused by brain injury or other organic disorder.
    noun

    (psychology) The tendency to continue or repeat an act or activity after the cessation of the original stimulus.
    noun

    The act or an instance of persevering; perseverance.
    noun

    Argument by repetition; a mantra.
    noun

    nk (1d9030)

  112. in other news a lot of formerly Godless Democrats are re-thinking their theology.

    JRH (52aed3)

  113. nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 4:00 pm

    Heh! Quite an ostinato, sir! I swear I heard Boléro in the background.

    felipe (023cc9)

  114. GOP Sen. Ron Johnson Went to Oktoberfest Party While Awaiting COVID-19 Test Results
    U.S. Senator Ron Johnson tested positive for COVID-19 on Friday. But, after finding out he had the virus, which has killed more than 220,000 Americans to date, the Wisconsin Republican still chose to attend an Oktoberfest fundraising dinner that evening.

    Johnson, who didn’t reveal his diagnosis until Saturday, justified his behavior in comments to the Madison, Wisconsin Capital Times by saying he only took his mask off when it was time to address the crowd. He also insisted that he was “at least 12 feet from anybody” during his speech at the event, which was sponsored by the Ozaukee County Republican Party……

    “I feel fine, I feel completely normal,” he said in a conference call with reporters, adding that he didn’t “stick around” to mingle at the dinner.
    ………
    News of Johnson’s diagnosis comes as Wisconsins’ COVID-19 cases and deaths have risen to record levels.
    ………
    What a f****king idiot. I’m sure all his fellow attendees feel the same way.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  115. Thank you, felipe.

    Incontrovertibly the introduction of the personal equation leads to lamentable inversions, and the perceptive faculties when contemplating phenomena through the lens of ego too often conceive an accidental connotation or manifest distortion to be actuality, for the physical (or personal) too often beclouds that power of inner vision which so unerringly penetrates to the inherent truths of incorporeity and the extramundane.

    nk (1d9030)

  116. Now CNN whiners are probing Melania and her time at WR for a kidney ailment.

    All kidding aside, this isn’t right. Biden had multiple brain surgeries at WR and has been given a complete pass by today’s press on his health and status.

    It’s clearly biased; and just not right.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  117. I’ve yet to see you or any other Trump apologist direct an iota of blame at one of them, while pretending the other bears all the responsibility.

    If Bernie had been president we’d probably have blamed it all on them and seized their bonds.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  118. He has been Bill Buckley’d.

    That RINO wimp!

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  119. @121. Buckley chased out the WACKOS– not the RINOS, Kevin.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  120. Hot flash: or she’s through menopause by then.

    Spoken like a true Trump fan.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  121. @123. It’s a fact of life, Kevin; goes with the territory.

    Dressing like man won’t make you one. Ask Hillary.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  122. So, the more we hear about Hunter (“Bagman”) Biden, it seems the wrong Biden released his tax returns.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  123. Trump Allies: China Infected Trump With COVID-19

    Not just doctors! Jewish Chinese doctors!

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  124. Well, Wolf, if the shoe fits. When was the last time “journalists” quizzed brain-damaged

    Because they aren’t crazy people who obsess over the most silly things?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  125. GOP Sen. Ron Johnson Went to Oktoberfest Party While Awaiting COVID-19 Test Results

    U.S. Senator Ron Johnson tested positive for COVID-19 on Friday. But, after finding out he had the virus, which has killed more than 220,000 Americans to date, the Wisconsin Republican still chose to attend an Oktoberfest fundraising dinner that evening.

    Which is it?: awaiting results or had results?

    Not that the basic point is wrong.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  126. Can we add “multiple brain surgeries” to the idiot filter?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  127. Just how bad was that debate performance? This bad.

    Driving the news: Some top GOP operatives, privy to data from swing states, tell me that this week’s chaotic presidential debate had a calamitous effect on Republican chances in tight Senate races.

    “The bottom is falling out everywhere,” said a longtime Republican insider.

    This insider said the debate didn’t faze hardcore Trumpers. But he said it turned off “open to Trump” swing voters, especially women in suburbs.

    “Everyone knew Trump was capable of this kind of behavior,” the insider said. “But these voters had never had 90 straight minutes of that behavior thrust in their faces.”

    This was my immediate reaction to the President’s 90-minute tantrum. Senate candidates are now in a terrible bind: disavow Trump and lose the hard-core Trump vote (who would rather elect a Democrat than an apostate) or lose everybody else.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  128. @129. Truth bothers you, doesn’t it, Kevin. Common with Nixon apologists.;-)

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  129. Yep, the press gaggle this AM with Trump’s physician was a complete cock-up.
    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/white-house-spreads-covid-19-and-lies-about-trumps-health.html

    Paul Montagu (4c5375)

  130. Cleveland Clinic:

    “Most importantly, everyone permitted inside the debate hall tested negative for COVID-19 prior to entry. Individuals traveling with both candidates, including the candidates themselves, had been tested and tested negative by their respective campaigns.”

    and

    It’s important to clarify the 11 people who tested positive never accessed the debate hall. These individuals were either members of the media or were scheduled to work logistics/set-up in the days prior to the event. Individuals did not receive credentials or tickets to enter the debate hall until they had a negative test, and all were advised to isolate while they awaited their test results.”
    This raises the questions of what size group of people yielded 11 positives and while we understand they did not personally enter the debate hall, did they handle/touch anything that went into the debate hall?

    steveg (43b7a5)

  131. @127. Because they aren’t crazy people who obsess over the most silly things?

    Of course they’re crazy people, Kevin; do pay attention:

    “I’m MAD as HELL and I’m not going to take this any more!” – Howard Beale UBS News anchorman [Peter Finch] ‘Network’ 1976

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  132. “What a tangled web we weave, once we practice to deceive.” They can’t even agree to one story and get it straight.

    nk (1d9030)

  133. @136. Reaganoptics. 😉 See Iran-Contra for details.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  134. I wonder (but not much). Should Trump die from this will he “die” like Elvis did to his fans? Will there be a mythology that he is alive and hiding out with a new identity in Outer Idaho to avoid assassination by Deep State? Will there be sightings? Statues of him found on Mars? Inquiring minds want to know.

    nk (1d9030)

  135. As legit as the atlantic piece (did goldberg apologize, sarc) i see why axios earns ppp money while other didnt.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  136. “This raises the questions of what size group of people yielded 11 positives and while we understand they did not personally enter the debate hall, did they handle/touch anything that went into the debate hall?”

    Trump almost certainly had covid prior to the debate. He wasn’t tested before the debate because he arrived late.

    Davethulhu (47d7cb)

  137. @138. Inquiring minds wonder who’ll play him in the movie of himself.

    If he could; he would.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  138. As virus spreads across GOP ranks, some Republicans say party will pay price for ‘stupid’ approach

    “There was a panic before this started, but now we’re sort of the stupid party,” said Edward J. Rollins, co-chairman of the pro-Trump super PAC Great America. “Candidates are being forced to defend themselves every day on whether they agree with this or that, in terms of what the president did on the virus.”

    1) Make an aggressively ignorant con-man your standard bearer
    2) Spinelessly defend his criminal insanity at every opportunity
    3) ?????
    4) Become “the stupid party”.

    Own it, brothers.

    Dave (1bb933)

  139. @140. Which means Plagiarist JoeyBee was exposed on stage for 90 minutes to an asperating Trump, inhaling his exhaled bug -along w/Wallace– w/o a mask only 4 days ago and there’s a 14 day incubation period.

    There has to be a Vegas line on when Biden contracts Covid.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  140. @142.Shorter:Reaganoptics.

    He is you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  141. Is Patrick also Trump, Deezy-eska?

    Dave (1bb933)

  142. Trump almost certainly had covid prior to the debate.

    Almost certainly this is BS, like that other gun in the Portland shooting you were almost certain about, Davethulhu.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7af8c0)

  143. Here’s the full Quote

    Our thoughts are with the President, First Lady and all of our guests. As health advisor to the Commission on Presidential Debates and the host site, we had requirements to maintain a safe environment that align with CDC guidelines – including social distancing, hand sanitizing, temperature checks and masking. Most importantly, everyone permitted inside the debate hall tested negative for COVID-19 prior to entry. Individuals traveling with both candidates, including the candidates themselves, had been tested and tested negative by their respective campaigns. Based on what we know about the virus and the safety measures we had in place, we believe there is low risk of exposure to our guests. Out of an abundance of caution, we are reaching out to our guests to address any questions and concerns. We will continue to monitor the information being released by the White House.

    “It’s important to clarify the 11 people who tested positive never accessed the debate hall. These individuals were either members of the media or were scheduled to work logistics/set-up in the days prior to the event. Individuals did not receive credentials or tickets to enter the debate hall until they had a negative test, and all were advised to isolate while they awaited their test results.”

    Small problems…
    1) They didn’t enforce the masks, as every Trump guest besides Melania was unmasked, and she took of the mask when she went to touch her diseased husband.

    2) Relying on the “campaigns” to test doesn’t seem to have work out that well, since they’re obviously not actually doing any testing consistently on the Trump campaign, or White House.

    3) Those 11 don’t include the Trump campaign folks, or anyone else that actually attended the debates, because that is in reference to a previous news release from the city of Cleveland.

    According to the city, 11 positive cases of COVID-19 have stemmed from ‘pre-debate planning and set-up.’ The city adds that the majority of those 11 cases have occurred among out of state residents. No city residents appear to have contracted coronavirus as a result of the debate, but that could still change.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  144. Don’t you guys understand? Trump had himself infected in order to pass it on to Biden. The collateral damage was planned to provide obfuscation/cover for the “plan.” Whether it worked, or not, remains to be seen. Nothing is as it appears. Not even this comment. :-O

    felipe (023cc9)

  145. Radegunda,

    I loved your comment at 104. It is about culture, not about race.

    norcal (a5428a)

  146. “Almost certainly this is BS, like that other gun in the Portland shooting you were almost certain about, Davethulhu.”

    What is the incubation period for covid, bnp?

    Davethulhu (47d7cb)

  147. I don’t think Trump has Covid at all. I agree with just plain Dave. I think he has become a big liability to Senate Republicans. In 1974, they were able to talk Nixon into resigning. Now, all these crapweasels could do is talk Trump into faking Covid and checking into a hospital, away from debates and the media focus on his health instead of his tax returns and his son’s MILF.

    nk (1d9030)

  148. Mike K., a doctor who used to comment on this blog, once stated that two groups of people don’t get the best medical care–the poor, because they can’t afford it, and the rich, because they think they know better than doctors, or can afford to hire a doctor who will do their bidding. See Steve Jobs and Michael Jackson, for example.

    I wonder if Trump is doing the same thing.

    norcal (a5428a)

  149. Almost certainly this is BS

    Almost certainly it is not, you believe that Trump is the one person to have symptoms within 2 days of being exposed on the planet?

    Or that maybe he was infected along with the mass of others at the ACB event last Saturday…you know, the last time Kellyanne was around the Trumpz.

    Or maybe the fact that the White House and campaign have ignored common sense, reality, and their own experts for months, that the inevitable happened at a pretty inopportune time for them personally? Weird how the folks that didn’t ignore all of that, also haven’t become infected.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  150. Trump’s 4-minute message about his fight with “coronavirus or whatever you want to call it” sounded okay, reasonable even. Multiple times he said the next couple of days will be important to his prognosis. His breathing sounded slightly labored.
    However, today’s messaging exemplifies this administration, with happytalk propaganda and off-the-record conflicting statements. We’re not getting relevant information officially, and mainstream media has ply their sources to find out what’s really going on. The ultimate result is that, yes, you basically have to presume what they’re saying is false until you can confirm it’s true, as well laid out by Mr. Sherman:

    On Saturday, the West Wing plunged into damage-control mode after Trump’s physician, Dr. Sean Conley, told reporters that Trump was diagnosed with COVID-19 on Wednesday—a day earlier than Trump previously disclosed. The new timeline meant that Trump would have been contagious when he debated Joe Biden on Tuesday and attended a fundraiser on Thursday at his Bedminster golf club.

    The White House released follow-up statements saying Conley misspoke, but they did little to quell the chaos. The White House’s shifting chronology and lack of transparency are being driven, in part, by Trump’s desire to conceal the seriousness of his illness from the public. Three sources said Trump argued with his doctors on Friday after they told him he needed to be moved to Walter Reed. “He didn’t want to go to the hospital a month before the election,” a Republican close to Trump told me. Two sources said doctors gave Trump an ultimatum: he could go to the hospital while he could still walk, or doctors would be forced to take him in a wheelchair or on a stretcher at a later point if his health deteriorated. “They told him, ‘You can go now or we’re taking you later and it’s non negotiable,’” a second source close to the White House said. Trump waited to leave for the hospital until the stock market closed on Friday, a source said.

    After spending months denying the dangers of COVID-19, Trump is expressing an emotion aides have rarely seen: fear. On Friday, Trump grew visibly anxious as his fever spiked to 103 fahrenheit and he was administered oxygen at the White House, according to three Republicans close to the White House. Two sources told me Trump experienced heart palpitations on Friday night—possible side effects of the experimental antibody treatment he received. Trump has wondered aloud if he could defeat the disease. “Am I going out like Stan Chera?” Trump has asked aides, referring to his friend, New York real-estate developer Stan Chera, who died of COVID in April.

    Trump should feel fear, and not just the fear of losing an election. It’s the same fear that 7.5 million of Americans felt upon learning their tests were positive.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  151. @145. He’s disowned him; he has made no secret of leaving the party.

    He has principles and is sticking to them.

    That is admirable, Davey.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  152. Trump looks completely unhealthy in that video he posted…just like last month and last year. His spray tan looks to need an update, and he picked the wrong wig too.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  153. You heard it here first: won’t be surprised if Biden contracts Covid… and they count it back to the debate night time frame. And given his frailty and age– and that pesky cough he already has… he is likely at very great risk.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  154. Tucker is so full of it. His analogy falls apart when you consider that a rapist has a choice when confronted with a provocatively-dressed woman. The virus doesn’t have a choice when there is an opportunity to infect a person, because viruses cannot choose. They aren’t sentient organisms, you dumb f***.

    norcal (a5428a)

  155. @156. He did look a tad gaunt in the cheeks. Needs a few cheeseburgers and a 2-liter IV of Diet Coke to buck him up.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  156. @157-
    Wishcasting?

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  157. @159 What is up with people who consume a big meal and wash it down with Diet Coke? It seems like cognitive dissonance to me.

    norcal (a5428a)

  158. @160. Reality TeeVee.

    _____

    @161. ?????

    ‘You’re gonna drink it just for the taste of it!’ :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RMTrnulJQ8

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  159. @154 He’s definitely having trouble breathing. It’s both distinctive and audible when he stops every few words for a shallow inhale.

    Nic (896fdf)

  160. Little evidence that White House has offered contact tracing, guidance to hundreds potentially exposed
    ……….
    The crisis within a crisis is emblematic of an administration that has often mocked or ignored the coronavirus guidance of its own medical experts. In this case, the failure to move swiftly potentially jeopardized the health of their own supporters and those close to them, who might fall ill and unwittingly spread the infection to others.
    ……….
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had a contact tracing team ready to go, according to multiple sources, but had not been asked to mobilize, even though White House physician Sean Conley said at a press briefing that his team was working with the agency.

    Conley also said he was coordinating with local health agencies, but officials in Minnesota, Ohio and New Jersey, where Trump held events in recent days, said they haven’t heard from the White House and are racing largely on their own to find people potentially exposed to the virus.
    ………
    No one, however, had received expert guidance, which generally urges people with known exposure to an infected person to remain quarantined for 14 days regardless of a negative test result. Exposure is generally defined as contact within six feet for more than 15 minutes.

    The crisis has exposed anew how the White House has operated as if it were insulated from a virus officials regarded as overhyped and not nearly as contagious as the one scientists and doctors have been meticulously studying since January.

    But now the White House and the president’s reelection campaign appear to have become superspreading operations, with the case count climbing seemingly by the hour.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  161. QAnoners are rallying behind Trump with some new conspiracy theories.

    DeAnna Lorraine Tesoriero, a QAnon supporter and failed congressional candidate whose call to “#FireFauci” Trump once retweeted, intoned darkly about whether Trump’s foes had somehow laced his debate microphone with the coronavirus.

    “Trump was fine until the debate, where they set up microphones & podiums for him,” Tesoriero wrote. “Incubation period is usually 2 – 3 days. He tests positive a couple of days after the debate. I put nothing past the left. NOTHING.”

    Tesoriero, a host at conspiracy theory hub InfoWars, went on to suggest that Democrats were weaponizing the virus against Republicans.

    And here’s a choice chin-rubber.

    Does anyone else find it odd that no prominent Democrats have had the virus but the list of Republicans goes on and on?

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  162. @164. CSPAN has it covered.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  163. @165 No, no one finds it odd. The Dems are masking and social distancing and not holding golf fundraisers and dinner fundraisers and unmasked parties in the Rose Garden. No one finds it strange that the people following medical advice aren’t getting sick as much.

    Nic (896fdf)

  164. @161. ?????

    ‘You’re gonna drink it just for the taste of it!’ :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RMTrnulJQ8

    Yet another manifestation of the Big Lie propaganda technique.

    norcal (a5428a)

  165. Almost certainly this is BS, like that other gun in the Portland shooting you were almost certain about, Davethulhu.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7af8c0) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:02 pm

    I know you like to mimic other comments just to say the opposite. I’m not sure why you do that a lot, but it’s either to muddy the waters or to be obnoxious. If Trump tested positive on Wednesday, he had the virus on Tuesday. You are wrong.

    This has nothing to do with the Portland Shooting. You Trump fans need to recognize that cataloguing everything someone says to quote it back months or years later is creepy and irrational. Portland and guns have nothing to do with the incubation of a virus in Trump’s body. Trump fan (who totally isn’t a Trump supporter)

    Trump’s family obnoxiously refusing to wear masks at the debate is how a royal family would act 400 years ago. That he has anonymous fans fighting tooth and nail to defend their COVID approach is honestly amazing. why not just admit the error this time? He is in the hospital.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  166. @168. You have to be dead inside [or in Forest Lawn] to not feel the life in these spots…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0lkSBNfYCQ

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  167. 165. MAGA tweeter @AnthemRespect, whose profile includes the banner, “hydroxychloroqhite — what have you got to lose?”, and who brags of five retweets by Trump, is offering a $250,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of whoever dosed the boss. (My money’s on George Conway).

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  168. (Sorry, that hydroxy typo was mine, not the MAGA ding-dong’s.)

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  169. Truth bothers you, doesn’t it, Kevin. Common with Nixon apologists

    Who’s apologizing. Nixon was a great president brought down by the Deep State.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  170. @171 Oh, I admit they’re great ads.

    For a crappy product.

    norcal (a5428a)

  171. Make an aggressively ignorant con-man your standard bearer

    The GOP did not do that, voters inflicted that. But come 2021, no one will admit to being a Trump supporter.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  172. Does anyone else find it odd that no prominent Democrats have had the virus but the list of Republicans goes on and on?

    Yes! I also find it odd that only skydivers have their chutes fail.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  173. They aren’t sentient organisms

    The aren’t even organisms. They are loose genetic material.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  174. (My money’s on George Conway).

    No way! My money is on Trump’s KGB handler. Mela-a-nia? Putin knows that Trump in the hospital has a better chance of reelection than on the campaign trail. And there has been no poisoner like Putin since the Borgias.

    nk (1d9030)

  175. What is up with people who consume a big meal and wash it down with Diet Coke? It seems like cognitive dissonance to me

    It’s harm reduction.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  176. @178 Good point. That makes Tucker even more ridiculous!

    norcal (a5428a)

  177. My money is on Trump’s KGB handler. Mela-a-nia?

    That assumes she would be in close enough physical contact with her husband, but she doesn’t want his small hands near her. My nickel is on Hicks.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  178. @180. No. It’s marketing. American as lard-laden, sugary, Mom’s Apple Pie.

    Reaganomics.;-)

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  179. Oops, link.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  180. @175 Aspartame: terrible yesterday, terrible today, terrible tomorrow.

    Nic (896fdf)

  181. Carlson Tucker is not dumb, only his audience is. He knew exactly what he was saying and to whom he was saying it. The precise word is “disingenuous” but “lie” will do as well.

    nk (1d9030)

  182. Who’s apologizing. Nixon was a great president brought down by the Deep State.

    And here we thought it was Sony, Memorex….and his own words. Voice-Activated-Microphones do make bigoted crooks ‘perfectly clear’.. don’t they. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  183. @185. Now you know why ‘MadMen’ rebranded it with healthy sounding name… NutraSweet 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  184. Nixon was the worst Republican president prior to Trump.

    Had he not opened the door to China, that country might still be an economic backwater. Had he not signed the Shanghai Communique, the U.S. could have supported de jure independence for Taiwan.

    He started the lamentable War on Drugs, which has been a complete failure, and has ensured lasting corruption in Mexico from top to bottom.

    He implemented wage and price controls, evincing an inability to grasp even the basics of economics and capitalism.

    norcal (a5428a)

  185. @188 Just like rapeseed oil became canola oil.

    norcal (a5428a)

  186. Sometimes Trump’s style is malevolence tempered by incompetence, but sometimes it’s just plain old incompetence.

    For months, the White House’s strategy for keeping President Trump and his inner circle safe has been to screen all White House visitors with a rapid test.

    But one product they use, Abbott’s ID Now, was never intended for that purpose and is known to deliver incorrect results. In issuing an emergency use authorization, the Food and Drug Administration said the test was only to be used by a health care provider “within the first seven days of symptoms.”

    The ID Now has several qualities in its favor: It’s portable, doesn’t need skilled technicians to operate and delivers results in 15 minutes. Used to evaluate someone with symptoms, the test can quickly and easily diagnose Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

    But in people who are infected but not yet showing symptoms, the test is much less accurate, missing as many as one in three cases.

    While the truest believers will tell you that it “appears to almost be targeted strike of Covid-19″, the likely reality is that crap testing allowed infected people to get too close to POTUS.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  187. @186 You got me there, nk. Tucker isn’t dumb. He has become rich and famous with his crafty rhetoric.

    He has even managed to brainwash this lefty guy I knew at BYU who went on to open a counterculture bookstore right in the heart of Mormondom. I was so shocked when I heard that he had a falling out with another lefty friend, and that he was a Tucker fan! This guy is a self-described pothead!

    I wonder if his moving to Portland had anything to do with it. Maybe he saw the loony people up there and decided that Utah culture wasn’t so bad after all.

    norcal (a5428a)

  188. Had he not opened the door to China, that country might still be an economic backwater. Had he not signed the Shanghai Communique, the U.S. could have supported de jure independence for Taiwan.

    And we would not have been able to squeeze the breath out of the Soviet Union, which was the whole point of the exercise. Nixon was a deep strategic thinker.

    Yes, of course, 50 years on, we have consequences. Most politicians grand schemes break down much sooner. And the jury is still out on China … they are still afraid of democratic change, so much so that they constantly weed it out. This isn’t an act of strength.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  189. And now for something completely different…..

    Top aides accuse Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton of bribery, abusing office
    ……..
    In a one-page letter to the state agency’s director of human resources, obtained Saturday by the American-Statesman and KVUE-TV, seven executives in the upper tiers of the office said that they are seeking the investigation into Paxton “in his official capacity as the current Attorney General of Texas.”
    ……
    The letter to human resources was signed by Paxton’s first assistant, Jeff Mateer, who resigned Friday, and Mateer’s deputy Ryan Bangert. It is also signed by James Blake Brickman, Lacey Mase, Darren McCarty, Mark Penley and Ryan Vassar, who are deputy attorneys general overseeing the divisions of policy, administration, civil litigation, criminal investigations and legal counsel.

    “We have a good faith belief that the attorney general is violating federal and/or state law including prohibitions related to improper influence, abuse of office, bribery and other potential criminal offenses,” the letter states.

    Their decisions to report possible illegal activity involving their employer represents a stunning development in an agency that prizes loyalty, particularly from within Paxton’s inner circle. It places a renewed spotlight on Paxton, who is already under indictment for alleged securities fraud.
    …….
    The complaint concluded by saying that they notified Paxton in a text message Thursday that they had reported the alleged violations to law enforcement.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  190. He implemented wage and price controls, evincing an inability to grasp even the basics of economics and capitalism.

    We were all Keynesians then (although Keynes would have objected to what they called Keynesian).

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  191. The complaint concluded by saying that they notified Paxton in a text message Thursday that they had reported the alleged violations to law enforcement.

    “Sir, we are shocked … SHOCKED … to find that bribery is happening here!”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  192. @193 I’m not sure that opening up relations with China helped squeeze the breath out of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union didn’t fall until 1991, and I’m fairly certain China was trading with it in the years leading up to the fall.

    norcal (a5428a)

  193. @197 Who needs The Da Vinci Code when there is real-life skulduggery like that going on?

    norcal (a5428a)

  194. But come 2021, no one will admit to being a Trump supporter.

    Maybe, but I’m not forgetting. If they’re in politics they’ll never get my vote. If they’re pundits or just regular folk, I’ll never take them seriously.

    Believe it or not — and I can practically hear the howls of laughter as I type this — it isn’t a personal thing. It’s about credibility, not character. I have Trump supporters in my life who I’m certain are decent to the core. They’re pillars of everything Trump is an affront to. I refuse to throw them overboard for defending someone I’m equally certain violates every precept their own commitment to makes them so admirable. I just have to live with that cognitive dissonance. I take it as a reminder there are lots of things beyond my modest ability to understand.

    But even those people, as much as I respect and even love some of them, I’m done taking their opinions seriously. As far as I’m concerned, standing behind Trump is a lifetime credibility killer. And to be clear, I’ve stayed open to the opinions of people who believed the Clintons killed Vince Foster and Bush was behind 9/11 (different people, obviously). But this is worse. I don’t see how you come back from this.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  195. Some people claim
    That there’s a woman to blame
    ….

    Yup. It was Hillary.

    nk (1d9030)

  196. That got Trump elected I mean. And he knows it.

    nk (1d9030)

  197. If they’re in politics they’ll never get my vote.

    Maybe some of the people who went along were just practicing realpolitik.

    Did you see where Patrick made a distinction between pragmatic Trump voters and Trump fans?

    norcal (a5428a)

  198. 203. I’m talking about Trump supporters, not Trump voters. I make the same distinction Patrick does.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  199. Mao left a red ledger of 40-60 million, they sponsored the khmer rouge they provided material amd personnel to the north korean program (as well as the soviets) they were the model for zinbabwe they contributed to the pakistani nuclear program and we handed our industrial plant to them

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  200. Can one think of a more cynical bargain, cgn was trafficking in nuclear secrets for 20 years, huawei has been around nearly as long.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  201. @204 I make the distinction when it comes to politicians as well. It’s more than possible that some of them did the math, and realized that they could cooperate with Trump and get some good policy enacted, or ride a high horse and get primaried out of their seat by a true believer, who would either go on to win or lose to a leftist.

    norcal (a5428a)

  202. That was the wisemen from nixon to obama, who didnt have a random remark but set policy. The ones who handed hong kong over to china (the iron lady doesnt come ofc that well, neither here nor in zimbabwe)

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  203. @188 and yet, still terrible. Aspartame by any other is still as vile.

    Nic (896fdf)

  204. I knew the Senate race in SC was close but, after watching this, it’s the first time that I’m thinking Graham is going to lose. Terrible boilerplate answer by Graham, perfectly contrasted answer by this opponent.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  205. Aspertame is terrible, id rather have natural flavor.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  206. A suspected russian spy was shoveling the garbage at you for three years, while another real agent peter dobbins was given free reign.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  207. @208 Well, considering that Britain waged war against China because China didn’t want to buy any more opium, and then forced China to sign over Hong Kong, it wouldn’t have been seemly to try and keep it as a colony.

    norcal (a5428a)

  208. The chinese havent forgotten see michael pillsburys thesis, see the work of marshal chi haotian, this is why were short sided.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  209. @209 Yes. For me, it’s either real sugar or no sweetener at all.

    norcal (a5428a)

  210. And dont even get me started on splenda, how was that even legal?

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  211. @215 I agree, though I’ll take honey too, depending.

    Nic (896fdf)

  212. 207. A person can vote for Trump without lying for him or about him, being a dick, or otherwise aping him. And many do. GOP politicians seem to have a harder time keeping that separation, maybe because Trump turns on those who try, or maybe because they really are dishonest, unprincipled hacks. Either way they’re dead to me.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  213. Breaking- with so much to work with SNL season opener and its new spin on dark humor really, genuinely, truly sucks.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  214. Ask steven scalise about that

    https://mobile.twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1312611965605425153

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  215. But you know tucker carlsom was too sensitive.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  216. Maybe, but I’m not forgetting. If they’re in politics they’ll never get my vote

    And the Trumpies say the same thing about your guys. And the Democrats chortle and make popcorn.

    Why do you hate liberty so?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  217. I’m talking about Trump supporters, not Trump voters. I make the same distinction Patrick does.

    A professional politician has two choices when guy like Trump takes over their party (well, three, but not everyone has a gimme seat like Romney). They can quit and go home, like Ryan, or they can smile, nod and make nice when the guy is looking, and work around him best they can.

    Ryan’s move was principled and selfish. The ones who remained were the profiles in courage. Because they stood there and kept things together while people like you were calling them names from your comfy armchair.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  218. Trump will be remembered for all the things he said he’d do, but didn’t.

    Reagan moved the world, Left to Right, with an opposition House and courts. HE didn’t blame everyone else, and he didn’t claim the credit if someone else got the thing done. But he got the thing done.

    I have nothing but contempt for Donald Trump; he was the worst thing that could happen to the causes he claimed to believe in. He failed EVERYWHERE.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  219. Aspartame by any other is still as vile.

    Stevia, especially as a cut for sugar, isn’t so bad.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  220. Kept things together? They enabled a demagogue, and autocrat wannabe. Screw your keeping that together.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  221. Question, for anyone but DCSCA: What about Nikki Haley? She serve Trump for 2 years as UN Ambassador, parted on good terms, spoke up for Trump a few times when Trump was right, and never knuckled under.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  222. Kept things together? They enabled a demagogue, and autocrat wannabe. Screw your keeping that together.

    And your way would have a 8-1 Leftist supreme court, the guns rounded up and tax rates in the sky.

    But you’d be pure. It’s all about you and how you see yourself, right? Never willing to be the guy to take the hits for the team.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  223. The day that Trump had the nomination locked up was the day professional politicians had to make a choice. Run home to mommy or deal with the card they were dealt.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  224. Screw your keeping that together.

    Screw your sanctimony. Nobody buys it.

    beer ‘n pretzels (e0f083)

  225. Something equally absurd

    https://youtu.be/eTEeIuVLUVg

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  226. Trump Aide Luna Tests Positive for Virus in New White House Case
    White House aide Nick Luna, who serves as a personal attendant to President Donald Trump, has tested positive for coronavirus infection, according to people familiar with the matter.
    ……..
    Known as one of Trump’s so-called body men, Luna is the latest member of Trump’s inner circle of White House personnel to contract coronavirus…….

    Luna, who runs Oval Office operations for the White House, accompanied Trump on his trip to Cleveland for the presidential debate on Tuesday and was also aboard Air Force One on the Minnesota trip when Hicks first began experiencing symptoms.
    …….
    In his job as a body man, Luna travels closely with the president, holding papers and helping keep Trump’s schedule.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  227. @217 Oh, yes. By real sugar I mean anything that is not too far removed from nature–evaporated cane juice, honey, date paste, agave syrup, etc.

    I’m skeptical of something as new-fangled and highly processed as stevia, even if it tastes good.

    norcal (a5428a)

  228. Look, we live in a country where, for better or worse, the People elect their leaders. We have a party system. In the moment, this is headed by the worst president we have ever had, and I pray the worst president we will ever have.

    But Trump was elected according to the rules, and at that point the GOP members of Congress had two choices: they could abandon their jobs and find something else to do with their lives. Or, they could deal with the situation as it was, not how they wished it to be.

    Most of them decided to make the most of a bad deal, primarily by seating judges that Trump appointed from a list he was handed. And they tried to outlast the man-child. Those that quit, well, they are out of politics, so their choices don’t really matter any more. They were ultimately the ineffective ones.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  229. @232

    What’s really odd is that most people prefer soft drinks with HFCS instead of sugar, because “sugar tastes funny.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  230. Reagan moved the world, Left to Right, with an opposition House and courts.

    ROFLMAOPIP. “Aspartame by any other is still as vile.”

    Reaganoptics can lead to diabetes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYeNuISN4Dc

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  231. @224.I have nothing but contempt for Donald Trump; he was the worst thing that could happen to the causes he claimed to believe in. He failed EVERYWHERE.

    Failed everywhere?

    Where do you park your helicopters? Are you between mistresses or on hot sexy trophy wife number 2 or number 3? Which of your golf courses, mansions, name-saked buildings and hotels/casinos worldwide do you like best– and which banks have you suckered thanks to Reaganomics to shoulder the debt to finance it?

    Don’t hate yourself, K: Trump is a Reagan Creation. He is you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  232. spoke up for Trump a few times when Trump was right,

    She went on TV many times to whitewash his Ukrainian crimes when she could (and should) have kept her mouth shut.

    When she had a choice between America and Trump, she chose Trump.

    Dave (1bb933)

  233. But you’d be pure. It’s all about you and how you see yourself, right? Never willing to be the guy to take the hits for the team.

    WTF are you talking about, and what team am I supposed to take a hit for? I have neither a party nor an ideology to be pure to or to take hits for. I’m a registered independent and the closest thing I have to an ideology is the Golden Rule. And yes, Trump is the foulest insult to that ideology I’ve ever seen in public office.

    If being adamantly opposed to a human trash heap of historical dimensions makes me a purist in your book, I’d love to see what your book has to say about unprincipled quislings who used to think character and decency mattered. Oh wait, I know, it says “but my tax cuts and judges.” Well excuse me for not thinking that justifies putting the worst person ever to get near the White House in charge of the greatest country in the world.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  234. Screw your sanctimony. Nobody buys it.
    beer ‘n pretzels (e0f083) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:27 pm

    If you mean you and other Trump fans, I’ll give your opinion the consideration it deserves.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  235. But Trump was elected according to the rules, and at that point the GOP members of Congress had two choices: they could abandon their jobs and find something else to do with their lives. Or, they could deal with the situation as it was, not how they wished it to be.

    Sure, he picks off and torments lone dissidents. How does that make obsequious surrender the only option. For one thing, if they’d stood up en masse it might have reminded them they actually have some of the power in that relationship. How voters would have reacted to that we’ll never know.

    But let’s say putting country over party would indeed have meant losing their seats in the next election. So? I’m supposed to care that a politician has to make an honest living because he did his job of standing up to a malignantly disordered demagogue? Sorry, not sorry.

    And not that it matters, but you know nobody’s next job would have meant a pay cut unless they wanted it to.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  236. Great comments lurker.

    I agree that a properly assertive GOP could have read Trump the Riot Act early on, and backed it up with the power of the purse (e.g. cutting budgets for travel and White House luxuries) if necessary.

    The ironic thing is that Trump would have understood that transactional approach, while (as subsequent events have shown clearly) any other was doomed to failure.

    Dave (1bb933)

  237. Dave’s right: lurker those are great comments.

    It’s not sanctimony when the principles are so basic, the application so regular. It only seems extreme or sanctimonious to those who have worn Trump as a badge of honor, and tried to blame all his failures, such as contracting COVID, on everyone but Trump.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  238. @239/240/241.

    The Golden Rule: A CIC has to be a SOB.

    Trump is.

    Biden is not.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  239. We will just have to disagree. If the people who you are so disappointed in had cut and run, their seats would have been filled by Trump’s picks. But go ahead with your insane war of retribution. You may yet do more harm to the conservative cause than Trump did.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  240. lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:25 am

    It is always a pleasure to read such a well-reasoned comment. Thank you, lurker.

    felipe (023cc9)

  241. Pope Francis closes the door on the death penalty in ‘Fratelli Tutti’

    In 2018, Pope Francis ordered a change in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the official compendium of church teaching, when he termed the death penalty “inadmissible.” Today the pope placed the full weight of his teaching authority behind this statement: The death penalty is inadmissible, and Catholics should work for its abolition. A papal encyclical is one of the highest of all documents in terms of its authority, removing any lingering doubt about the church’s belief.

    You heard it from me first, on the day Amy Barrett was inaugurated (and don’t be surprised by the decision in Barr v. Seven Unnamed Mackerels which will soon follow it, either).

    nk (1d9030)

  242. And, I completely agree with lurker. I mean, really, seriously, Trump as President is the price we have to pay to keep Kelly Loeffler in the Senate and Elaine Chao in the Cabinet? It does not compute.

    nk (1d9030)

  243. Trump in Walter Reed Photo-Op Appears to Sign Blank Paper to Show He’s Well and ‘Relentless’

    President Donald Trump was seen in a photo taken at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center apparently signing a blank piece of paper with a marker, further undermining the credibility of the White House when it comes to the president’s health.

    The White House on Saturday night released pictures of the president working at the hospital, where he remained for a second night after he and First Lady Melania Trump both tested positive for the coronavirus.

    Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter and a senior aide, shared one the pictures on her Twitter page, adding: “Nothing can stop him from working for the American people. RELENTLESS!”

    But Jon Ostrower, the editor-in-chief of an aviation publication, also took to Twitter to note that the data embedded in two pictures of the president—showing him working in different rooms—were taken just 10 minutes apart.

    They also had a costume change in those ten minutes to create the illusion of time passing.

    And (of course) he isn’t wearing a mask in either photo, despite being infected and in proximity to at least one other person.

    Dave (1bb933)

  244. “The Apprentice: Part Duh!”.

    nk (1d9030)

  245. Anyone who thought that the most dishonest and corrupt administration in American history would suddenly start playing it straight during this, its greatest scandal, is out of their mind.

    Dave (1bb933)

  246. 248, that is like walking AND chewing gum – something I wish about 1/2 of Biden’s Cook County vote would learn to do with regard to the Cook County SA race.

    Though if the Senate is flipped (and there could be “cushion” if Graham goes down in the electoral sense), I wouldn’t mind “Trump from day 1″ Collins beating Loeffler. What did she expect with buying a WNBA franchise?

    urbanleftbehind (727795)

  247. Some patriot needs to retrieve that blank page Trump signed from the toxic waste disposal bin, and print the words:

    “I hereby resign the office of the presidency, effective immediately.”

    across the top.

    Dave (1bb933)

  248. And when they try to claim it’s invalid, we can point to the photo of him signing it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  249. Some comrades don’t understand that a son-of-a-b!tch is still a dog. Have I told you that my neighbors’ five-pound Yorkie actually says (and I know what “says” means) “Arf!”?

    nk (1d9030)

  250. Holy Angels retail businesses in Belmont close as precaution after Ivanka Trump visit
    Cherubs Café, Cotton Candy Factory and Bliss Gallery in downtown Belmont closed for deep cleaning on Friday after a visit from Ivanka Trump.

    Trump visited those three retail establishments, all operated by local nonprofit organization Holy Angels, on Thursday. Her father, President Donald Trump, announced early Friday that he and First Lady Melania Trump have contracted Covid-19.
    ………
    “As a precaution, we will be performing a deep cleaning of Cherubs Café, Cotton Candy Factory and Bliss Gallery today. While our protocols have always exceeded the CDC Guidelines, we want to ensure the safety of our employees and customers,” nonprofit Holy Angels posted on Facebook.
    ……..
    Holy Angels provides a full slate of services, from residential and medical to educational and employment, for adults and children with disabilities.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  251. The real giveaway will be when they start work on a golf course at Walter Reed next week, comrade.

    Dave (1bb933)

  252. Nearly 3 in 4 think Trump did not take appropriate virus precautions: POLL
    ………
    In two separate questions, an identical 72% said that Trump did not take the “risk of contracting the virus seriously enough,” nor “the appropriate precautions when it came to his personal health.” The poll was conducted by Ipsos in partnership with ABC News using Ipsos’ Knowledge Panel on Friday and Saturday, following Trump’s positive test early Friday morning.

    In each of the two questions, over 2 in 5 (43%) Republicans hold the negative sentiments about Trump’s mindset and preventative actions regarding the coronavirus, compared to 95% and 94% of Democrats, respectively.
    ……..
    In the wake of Trump’s diagnosis, the survey also found an increasing number of Americans concerned that they, or someone they know, will be infected with the virus. Eighty-one percent are either very or somewhat concerned about contracting COVID-19, compared to 72% two weeks ago. The percentage of “very concerned” respondents rose 8 percentage points, from 29% to 37%.

    The overall jump can be almost entirely attributed to Republicans, whose net concern increased 18 points (52% to 70%), and independents, whose concern increased 13 points (69% to 82%). Democrats held steady at 86%.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  253. Lurker: “But even those people, as much as I respect and even love some of them, I’m done taking their opinions seriously. As far as I’m concerned, standing behind Trump is a lifetime credibility killer.”

    It has shown me how easy it is for good people to be cowed and manipulated by propaganda. The Right created its own media industrial complex without recognizing the risk of it being coopted, distorted, and used for personal gain. It’s been an interesting…if not depressing….expose in the use of conspiracies and hate….to rationalize lowering expectations, jettisoning norms, and accepting the unacceptable.Some will explain that most of this is just irrelevant theater….but this trivialization only works up until the country hits a problem where our political process must actually work…..and few seem to want to contemplate that….we’re too content in our bubbles

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  254. She serve Trump for 2 years as UN Ambassador, parted on good terms, spoke up for Trump a few times when Trump was right, and never knuckled under.

    She did great at the job. She didn’t sell her soul to Trump until after she left office, regrettably. She should’ve just shut her mouth after November 3rd, but it’s clear she was signaling her readiness for 2024.
    There are the Republicans who kept their heads down and tried to do their work on policy, and I respect their dilemma, and then there are the sycophants and true believers who defended his lies. The latter are the ones who should face a reckoning.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  255. ‘Absolutely Reckless’: AG Barr’s Refusal to Quarantine After Rose Garden Superspreader Event Sparks Backlash
    Attorney General Bill Barr is facing a mounting avalanche of criticism and concern over his decision to forego quarantine procedures after he was recently in close contact with several people who have since tested positive for the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).

    “Absolutely reckless behavior from the AG,” former federal prosecutor Jennifer Rodgers, a CNN legal analyst, said via Twitter on Saturday. “Unacceptable.”

    On Sept. 26, Barr attended the by-now infamous superspreader event in the White House Rose Garden where Seventh Circuit Judge Amy Coney Barrett was formally nominated for a position on the U.S. Supreme Court following the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
    ………
    Presidential counselor Kellyanne Conway confirmed that she tested positive for COVID-19 on Friday evening–and several videos and photos show Barr mere inches away from Conway’s at the so-called and gallows-humor-denominated “Rose Garden Massacre.”
    ……..
    “Barr’s refusal to quarantine after exposure is not ‘toughness,’” said University of Michigan Law Professor and former U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade via Twitter. “It is arrogant, irresponsible, and reckless behavior from our nation’s attorney general.”
    ……..
    According to CNN, the DOJ said that Barr is refusing to quarantine because he tested negative on Friday, despite his being immediately adjacent to Conway. Barr tested negative again on Saturday, according to a DOJ spokeswoman.

    The Barrett event was not entirely outdoors. Barr was photographed feet away from President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump, both of whom have since tested positive.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  256. “The student government at the University of Wisconsin Madison on Tuesday approved a vote of “no confidence” in UW’s campus police department.

    In its decision, the Associated Students of Madison cited UWPD’s role in aiding the city of Madison’s police department in quelling the George Floyd protests that took place on Madison’s State Street in May and June……

    …… The report goes on to note that the student government was also split on whether to allow Chief of UW Police Kristen Roman to address members before the vote; it ultimately decided against allowing her to speak prior to the vote…..

    ….. “I am so proud to see my colleagues on the Student Council stand up for justice with the outcome of this vote,” said ASM Chair Matthew Mitnick in a news release about the “no confidence” vote. “No longer will student voices be silenced.””

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/student-government-refuses-to-allow-police-chief-to-speak-before-no-confidence-vote-in-campus-police/
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  257. Regarding Trump’s ridiculous photo op where he was signing a blank piece of paper with a Sharpie, the Soviets were way better at this. Putin clearly didn’t train him up.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  258. No mask. Was the photographer in full PPE? The Secret Service? Are they going to disinfect the rooms? Or are they all in on the hoax?

    nk (1d9030)

  259. The Golden Rule: A CIC has to be a SOB.

    Trump is.

    Biden is not.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 3:26 am

    I appreciate early Trump supporters who wanted to restore some self-interest. I get it. But no, I don’t really think the president should be quite this far down that path.

    But that is basically what this election is about, so at least we have a choice.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  260. I assume the photographer was in a hazmat suit, along with anyone else in proximity, but Trump not wearing a mask at his current viral load does send a message that he is still not taking it seriously.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  261. You may yet do more harm to the conservative cause than Trump did.

    Glorious.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  262. 251.Anyone who thought that the most dishonest and corrupt administration in American history would suddenly start playing it straight during this, its greatest scandal, is out of their mind.

    ROFLMAOPIP

    The-Forever-Creed of-Crazy-Minded-Nixon-Watergate-Apologists.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  263. A magnanimous “get well” from Puerto Rico. Well done.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  264. @255. Some conservatives don’t understand that a son-of-a-Birch is still a dog. Have I told you that my neighbors’ five-pound Russian wolf-hound actually says (and I know what “says” means) “товарищ!”?

    FIFY.

    Paging Mr. Buckley! paging Mr. Buckley!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  265. Regarding Trump’s ridiculous photo op where he was signing a blank piece of paper with a Sharpie …

    There are non-stupid people who have accepted Trump’s dishonesty and callous selfishness, but in a way it’s more puzzling that they aren’t bothered by his absurdity. Are they conned by his transparently phony gestures? Or does it not offend them that either he’s really dumb or he assumes his supporters are very gullible?

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  266. 256.Biden’s national lead over Trump jumps to 14 points after debate in NBC News/WSJ poll
    Joe Biden’s lead has nearly doubled since Tuesday’s debate with voters saying by a 2-to-1 margin that he has the better temperament to be president.

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL ROFMAOPIP

    Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump by 14 Points: Poll | Time

    time.com/…/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-lead-poll

    October 26, 2016 5:49 PM EDT Hillary Clinton has widened her lead over Donald Trump, polling 14 percentage points ahead nationally, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll, which comes 12 days before the general election. -source, TIME.com

    ___

    Hillary Clinton has opened up a 14-percentage-point lead against Donald Trump nationally, according to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released Monday.- source, CBSNews

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  267. There are the Republicans who kept their heads down and tried to do their work on policy, and I respect their dilemma, and then there are the sycophants and true believers who defended his lies.

    Only one elected Republican in Washington, out of 254 at the time, was prepared to put America before Trump.

    With the lonely exception of Mitt Romney (and Justin Amash, who like many of us left the party), they are willing accomplices to his rape of our country.

    Dave (1bb933)

  268. @259.Nearly 3 in 4 think Trump did not take appropriate virus precautions: POLL

    Nearly six in ten (57%) believe in spirits and ghosts, and a majority (52%) believe in the existence of UFOs. 48% Of Americans Believe UFOs Could Be ET Visitations. A significant percentage of Americans (35%) report they have personally experienced the presence of a ghost or spirit. One quarter of Americans (26%) believe in spells or witchcraft.

    9% of Americans think Elvis is alive.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  269. I know, I know, DCSCA. Although I do not agree with you, I sympathize.

    I have also wondered, many times, if Communism might not have succeeded in the Soviet Union after WWII if not for the Cold War. If we had treated the Soviet Union, if not the way we treated England, at least refrained from forcing it into a ruinous arms race and imposing draconian trade and currency barriers.

    Oh, well. Conservatism happened, Goldwater happened, Reagan happened, and what’s done is done. We can only look forward to the 67-year old Vladimir Putin having another good fifteen years left to accomplish what Stalin, Beria, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, and Gorbachev were stymied from doing by the capitalists.

    nk (1d9030)

  270. @277. Yes. It’s done.

    Glorious.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  271. Trump’s doctor today: Yeah, I was trying to deceive the country about his condition yesterday

    Conley failed to answer basic questions about the President’s condition and admitted that he had omitted those alarming drops in the President’s oxygen levels during a news conference Saturday because he wanted to “reflect the upbeat attitude” that the team and the President had about his condition and didn’t want “to give any information that might steer the course of illness in another direction.”

    Conley acknowledged that his evasive answers “came off that we were trying to hide something” but said that “wasn’t necessarily true,” adding that the President is “doing really well” and is responding to treatment.

    I’ll bet he was downplaying it to avoid a panic!

    Lies, lies and more lies.

    It’s a shame there’s nobody to remind this fine gentleman that he works for the American people, not the germ-infested pile of sewage that he’s destroying his reputation to impress.

    Dave (1bb933)

  272. @259.Nearly 3 in 4 think Trump did not take appropriate virus precautions: POLL

    who is the 1 in 4? hahaha

    Goes to show, a lot of people will just say silly stuff to polls.

    Hillary Clinton has opened up a 14-percentage-point lead against Donald Trump nationally

    Yeah, exactly, you never know. But Biden’s lead has doubled ever since that debate you think Trump won. That’s momentum. Is it enough?

    Dustin (4237e0)

  273. “ I have also wondered, many times, if Communism might not have succeeded in the Soviet Union after WWII if not for the Cold War. If we had treated the Soviet Union, if not the way we treated England, at least refrained from forcing it into a ruinous arms race…….”
    __ _

    Some people have never grasped the reality of people preferring individual freedom over being slaves of the state.

    Some riot masked and dressed in black to exhibit this lack of knowledge.
    _

    harkin (f2bc98)

  274. Sorry, Dustin, the opposite has occurred. DJT gained 3 points, or has actually pulled even if you go with IBD, after the debate and prior to the Covid diagnosis.

    The lies from DJT’s care team ought to be criminally prosecuted. Their medical licenses should be yanked.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  275. @279-
    Obligatory Kevin Bacon reference.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  276. Sorry, Dustin, the opposite has occurred.

    Sigh. I hope you’re mistaken, but the press’s unreliability is exactly how a guy like Trump is possible, so perhaps you are right.

    all I know is they were saying the same stuff when Trump beat Hillary. It will be a dark day if Trump wins.

    Some people have never grasped the reality of people preferring individual freedom over being slaves of the state.

    You’re insulting nk as a person who doesn’t grasp liberty. Cheer up. Maybe Trump will live.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  277. NBC New York
    @NBCNewYork

    #BREAKING: Mayor de Blasio, pending approval from state, announces plans to close non-essential businesses, public and private schools in nine ZIP codes starting Wednesday in an attempt to contain COVID clusters
    __ _

    Tom
    @nooktastical
    ·
    Is now the time to tell de Blasio that the movement of people through NYC is facilitated by a subway system that traverses multiple zip codes?
    __ _

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    @tbone_631
    ·
    Who authorized us going from “flatten the curve” to oh God dont leave your house til corona is gone
    __ _

    Chuck Nelson
    @NelsonResource
    ·
    Biden preview of what he wants to do nation wide
    __ _

    DeadwoodBullock
    @DeadwoodBullock
    ·
    Look on the bright side NYC real estate is about to become affordable.
    __ _

    Libertarian Film
    @libertarianfilm
    ·
    This thing has done so much damage to NYC! Unfortunately, it will hold the position of mayor for some time to come.
    _ _

    harkin (f2bc98)

  278. I have also wondered, many times, if Communism might not have succeeded in the Soviet Union after WWII if not for the Cold War. If we had treated the Soviet Union, if not the way we treated England, at least refrained from forcing it into a ruinous arms race and imposing draconian trade and currency barriers.

    Is very good to thump chest about Joseph Vissarionovich when up for promotion, comrade.

    Of course, all comrades know that in reality, during 1947-48, bloody capitalist assassins of proletariat from Amerika offered same massive economic assistance to Soviet Union and fraternal socialist countries of Eastern Europe as they did to Britain, France and 14 others in so-called Marshall Plan.

    Naturally, Comrade General Secretary Stalin saw through this transparent attempt to lower the proletariat’s standard of living down to the level of their oppressed brethren in the West, and he refused (he was also kind enough to refuse on behalf of fraternal socialist countries). Trade barriers obviously originated on eastern side, since capitalists had surplus of higher quality goods to sell and socialists had nothing to offer in return.

    All comrades also know that arrogant capitalists disarmed almost immediately and totally after 1945, and so-called ruinous arms race began after Berlin blockade and North Korean fraternal socialists – with Comrade Stalin’s blessing and aid – tried to take advantage.

    Dave (1bb933)

  279. Wallace bit-chs-lapped on his own show.

    Glorious.

    ____

    It’s a shame there’s nobody to remind this fine gentleman that he works for the American people, not the germ-infested pile of sewage that he’s destroying his reputation to impress.

    James Baker says he was sorry he misled everyone and kept how close Reagan really was to death in 1981, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  280. Beto O’Rourke, of all people, makes a good point:

    Joe Biden can end the drama on election night. All he has to do is win Texas.

    Thanks to Republican efforts to suppress voter turnout, Texas did not expand vote by mail in midst of a global pandemic. As a result, we will know the winner of the Texas presidential election on election night. If Texas turns blue that night, and its 38 electoral votes go to Biden, then Trump would have no viable path to victory, and the election would be over that night, before Trump’s lawyers can get through the courtroom doors to stop the vote counts in other states. If Biden wins Texas along with the likely blue states of Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota and Virginia, he would still win the White House even if he loses all the swing states of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, North Carolina, Arizona and Florida. Trump, on the other hand, cannot win without Texas.

    This sounds attractive, but it’s the same strategy Hillary tried in 2016 – trying and failing to put away the election by flipping Trump must-win states Ohio, Florida and NC – instead of shoring up the states she needed to win.

    Biden is in a much stronger position this time around, so with Trump’s campaign in complete disarray, and fraud/ballot-suppression probably the GOP’s only remaining hope, it might make sense to put a little more effort into Texas due to its election night potential.

    Dave (1bb933)

  281. It’s hard to believe Trump will lose Texas. I’m doing my part though. A lot of my neighbors have Trump signs, a lot have Biden signs.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  282. Trump as President is the price we have to pay to keep Kelly Loeffler in the Senate and Elaine Chao in the Cabinet?

    If you want to blame people, blame Sessions and Gingrich and Priebus. Maybe Hillary for seeming even worse. But once Trump was elected, asking Republicans to pretend someone else was president wasn’t realistic.

    I truly hope that no one finds themselves working for a total assh0le in a job they cannot easily quit. Because then you will know what it’s like. Hint: dissing the boss, undermining the boss, disobeying the boss isn’t going to work.

    Sure, Senators and Congresspeople are theoretically independent, but Trump has his minions who will cause your defeat. It’s pretty cavalier to say that they should just quit, but it ain’t your career and ambitions you are giving up.

    If you want to be pissed at people, be pissed at folks like Mark Meadows and the House Freedom Caucus, who were willing minions of the great Trump. But leave alone the people who had guns to their head (and who may still lose for being insufficiently loyal).

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  283. It’s hard to believe Trump will lose Texas

    He may lose Utah at the rate he’s going. I cannot believe that the Mormon faithful liked what they saw at that debate. Which, it appears Trump hid a known positive test so that he could attend.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  284. I have also wondered, many times, if Communism might not have succeeded in the Soviet Union after WWII if not for the Cold War. If we had treated the Soviet Union, if not the way we treated England, at least refrained from forcing it into a ruinous arms race and imposing draconian trade and currency barriers.

    Maybe if Stalin had not gone back on his agreements to respect the central European nations, that might have happened. But he didn’t, and his ambitions were clear. We did the only thing we could. Of course, if FDR had died a year earlier, we would have had President Wallace and you would have had your wish.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  285. Biden superfans just hate all that grifting and lying.

    The Senate report says, “On Feb. 14, 2014, Baturina wired $3.5 million to a Rosemont Seneca Thornton LLC (Rosemont Seneca Thornton) bank account for a ‘Consultancy Agreement.’ Rosemont Seneca Thornton is an investment firm co-founded by Hunter Biden that was incorporated on May 28, 2013 in Wilmington, Del.”

    Russia invaded Crimea in Ukraine the month Ms. Baturina sent the money.

    “Why did he get it?” Mr. Trump asked.

    “That report was written for political reasons,” Mr. Biden said.

    Mr. Trump asserted, “Once you became vice president, he made a fortune in Ukraine, in China, in Moscow and various other places.”

    Mr. Biden responded, “That is not true.”

    According to the senators’ Treasury records, it is true.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/30/hunter-biden-burisma-payments-detailed-treasury-de/

    beer ‘n pretzels (f87cf5)

  286. @290

    Don’t worry, there’s plenty of ignominy to go around.

    Dave (1bb933)

  287. James Baker says he was sorry he misled everyone and kept how close Reagan really was to death in 1981, too.

    Until they got Reagan into surgery, no one knew how close it was. They originally went towards the WH, but had they not turned around Reagan probably would have died.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  288. Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump by 14 Points: Poll | Time

    She probably would lead him by as much today. As does Biden, whose ENTIRE campaign is “I am not Donald Trump.” People are voting him for that alone, even though they oppose him on every policy issue.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  289. BTW, what’s with the baseball schedule that doesn’t have weekend games?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  290. Biden superfans just hate all that grifting and lying.

    Biden was right:

    Regarding the specific Moscow allegation, Alison Green, spokesperson for the minority on the Homeland Security Committee, and Keith Chu, spokesperson for the minority on the Finance Committee, issued a joint statement that said, “Democratic staff has reviewed all known information on file with the Committees, however, including the confidential document cited by the Republicans, and are aware of no information in the Committees’ possession showing Hunter Biden had any financial interest in this entity or transaction.”

    USA TODAY asked a spokesperson for the Republican majority for a comment but did not get an immediate response.

    Hunter Biden’s lawyer, George Mesires, told CNN that his client was not an owner of the firm, Rosemont Seneca Thornton.

    “Hunter Biden had no interest in and was not a ‘co-founder’ of Rosemont Seneca Thornton, so the claim that he was paid $3.5 million is false,” Mesires told CNN.

    Putting aside the evidence-free claim that Biden’s son was somehow involved, the committee also cited no evidence of any illegality or impropriety.

    Dave (1bb933)

  291. @296 Part of the problem with the polling last time was that a lot of people said “Johnson” and then voted “Trump”. That isn’t an issue this time, so the polls should be a better read of voters now than they were in 2016.

    Nic (896fdf)

  292. 297, they rolled over for non-Rose Bowl conference college football and the NFL.

    urbanleftbehind (727795)

  293. Speaking of conflicts of interest:

    President had stakes in Regeneron and Gilead, makers of antibody cocktail, Remdesivir

    President Donald Trump previously reported he earned capital gains from Regeneron Pharmaceuticals and Gilead Sciences Inc., the manufacturers of two of the medicines he’s taken as part of his COVID-19 treatment plan.

    According to a 2017 financial disclosure form filed with the U.S. Office of Government Ethics in June 2017, Trump had a capital gain of $50,001 to $100,000 for Regeneron Pharmaceuticals and $100,001 to $1 million for Gilead Sciences Inc. The form notes the information was of April 15, 2017.

    […]

    It was unclear Saturday whether the president currently has any direct holdings in Regeneron and Gilead but it appears he still has a stake in hydroxychloroquine, a drug he repeatedly touted as a treatment for COVID-19 despite warnings about its effectiveness.

    Trump’s latest financial disclosure form does report his family trusts’ investments in a Dodge & Cox mutual fund. A New York Times article in April said the fund’s largest holding is thought to be in Sanofi, the pharmaceutical firm that is one of the major producers of hydroxychloroquine.

    I predict Trump superfans will find this entirely untroubling!

    Dave (1bb933)

  294. We should have known – his infection (and maybe the whole pandemic?) is just an elaborate product-placement scheme like the ones he cashed in on during The Apprentice…

    Dave (1bb933)

  295. @295.Oh please. They knew within minutes after he collapsed in the hospital lobby, had his suit cut off, X-rayed, and they cut into his chest.

    ‘The Powers That Be’ knew. His family knew.

    America–indeed the world, did not. For months if not years how close he was to dying.

    Wilson was stroked out… FDR’s ticker was toast on top of his polio… Ike’s heart was eggcrate fragile… JFK was on painkillers virtually daily [and a woman almost hourly 😉 ]… LBJ had heart ad gallbladder issues… Nixon had phlebitis; was on Chivas Regal, ketchup and cottage cheese…

    That’s why these doctor reports and this bogus ‘right to know’ a CiC’s condition is crap; and pretty useless in the immediate. It’s less about him and more about stabilizing markets and nat’l security situations. And the clucking hens who love to speculate on cable news hate being not fed.

    “I’m in control here…” Alexander Haig, Secretary of State, Reagan Administration 3/30/81

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  296. Covid-19 Continues Its Ever-Changing Onslaught on the U.S.
    ……..
    Some of the country’s least populous states are now seeing its highest infection rates.

    When coastal cities suffered in the spring, cases remained relatively scarce across most of the Northern Plains and rural West. But since late summer, North Dakota and South Dakota have added more cases per capita than any other state. Nebraska, Wyoming and Montana have set troubling new records as well.

    In North Dakota, state officials met with hospital executives recently to ensure there would be enough space in hospitals as cases surged around Bismarck, and health care workers said they were working overtime to meet the sudden rise. Leaders in Montana urged residents to take precautions as they warned of an uncertain new phase.

    “COVID-19 is still in our midst — more so than we’ve ever seen before since this virus first entered our state,” Gov. Steve Bullock of Montana, a Democrat, wrote on Twitter the other day. “If public health guidelines are followed, like masking up and social distancing, we can prevent the strain on our hospitals.”

    Northeastern Wisconsin, a politically mixed region that also happens to be crucial to both parties’ hopes of winning the presidency, is facing one of the country’s most widespread, uncontrolled outbreaks right now.

    …….. Three of the four American metro areas with the most recent cases per capita were in northeastern Wisconsin, with the Oshkosh area faring worst of all.
    “I’m honestly not sure that anything we do right now will make a difference,” the mayor of Oshkosh, Lori Palmeri, said recently. “It’s too late.”

    Across Wisconsin, warning signs mounted with few glimmers of progress. More than 3,000 new cases were announced in the state in a single day for the first time. The state set single-day records for deaths and hospitalizations. Its test positivity rate reached 20 percent, a loud signal that the outbreak in the state has spun of control.
    ………
    Florida is now averaging about 2,300 new cases a day, roughly one-fifth of what it was seeing at its worst. In Arizona, where overtaxed hospital capacity was once a concern, intensive care beds are now plentiful, and daily case reports have dropped to about 500 on average, down from more than 3,600. New infections have also plunged in California, Georgia, Louisiana and South Carolina. Mississippi, Texas and Alabama have made significant progress since midsummer as well, though case numbers there remain persistently high.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  297. That Trump commercial showing Biden as Mr Incarceration and Trump as Mr Black jobs that they’re showing during football games is pretty slick. Wonder how effective it is.

    harkin (f2bc98)

  298. I predict Trump superfans will find this entirely untroubling!

    Gilead has been a poor Covid investment, now at it’s low for the year. In fact, it is back to where it was in 2013. REGN has had a heck of a bump in the last week or so, but is now headed back down. It’s done this before, and then fallen right back. Odds are it will drop to 300 by Halloween; there’s no technical support until then.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  299. That commercial from Biden saying he’ll know what he’s doing when he sends our troops to war……not so much maybe.

    harkin (f2bc98)

  300. They knew within minutes after he collapsed in the hospital lobby, had his suit cut off, X-rayed, and they cut into his chest.

    Until he collapsed, after walking in and they put in a line and tried to find his blood pressure they didn’t know how badly he was wounded. As it was, he was in surgery in 7 minutes from arrival.

    But, no, they did not stop to tell everyone the details, or let the press in on things. They had a million more important things. The first hospital spokesman (and administrator) got a number of things wrong, but by the end of the day every knew that the President had been through several hours of surgery and was recovering. They were seriously NOT trying to hide anything

    There’s an entire book on this: Rawhide Down. Pretty good, too. The Secret Service thought he’d broken a rib until they saw blood in his mouth.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rawhide-Down-Assassination-Ronald-Reagan-ebook/dp/B00486UB8I

    “Were you hit?” Parr asked.

    “No, I don’t think so,” Reagan said. “I think you hurt my chest when you landed on top of me.”

    Parr quickly examined Reagan’s mouth and nose for damage or obstructions, then ran his hands along the president’s white shirt and through his hair. He felt nothing unusual. He inspected his own hands. No blood. Thank God.

    Parr fumbled for the radio strapped to his belt, but it wasn’t there. In the scramble for the car, it had been ripped away from his earpiece and sleeve microphone. Parr swiveled to Unrue. “Give me the radio.”

    Unrue handed him the microphone, its cord connected to the dashboard.

    “Rawhide is okay, follow-up,” Parr radioed Shaddick in the follow-up car. “Rawhide is okay.”

    “Halfback, roger,” Shaddick replied. “You want to go to the hospital or back to the White House?”

    “We’re going, we’re going to Crown,” Parr said, using the code name for the White House.

    “Okay,” Shaddick said.

    A few seconds later, Parr turned back to Reagan. Despite his assurance that he was all right, the president looked as if he was in pain.

    “I think you hurt my rib,” he growled. “I’m having trouble breathing.”

    “Is it your heart?” Parr asked.

    “I don’t think so,” Reagan replied.

    Reagan was pressing his left arm hard against his chest. Reaching into his right jacket pocket, the president pulled out a paper napkin that he’d taken from the hotel’s holding room. He wiped it on his lips. When he pulled the napkin away, it was coated in blood.

    “I think I cut the inside of my mouth,” he said.

    Half kneeling, half sitting in the speeding limousine, Parr leaned in and studied the napkin. Then he spotted blood on the president’s lips.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  301. 246. Thank you, Felipe. You (and also Dave, Dustin and nk) are too kind. Maybe Trump’s depraved indifference to anyone but himself is my muse.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  302. Gabbard gains GOP supporters for her push for U.S. to drop charges against Assange, Snowden
    Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, Hawaii Democrat, has gained support from Republican colleagues in calling for the U.S. government to abandon its criminal cases against Julian Assange and Edward J. Snowden.

    Along with Rep. Thomas Massie, Kentucky Republican, she introduced a resolution Friday urging the U.S. to drop all charges and efforts to extradite Mr. Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.

    Rep. Matt Gaetz, Florida Republican, joined the Democrat days earlier by co-sponsoring a similar resolution asking the U.S. to drop its case against Mr. Snowden, who is also wanted for leaking.
    ……..
    Ms. Gabbard, who unsuccessfully sought the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, argued that Mr. Assange and Mr. Snowden each played a part in exposing government wrongdoing and should be spared.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  303. I truly hope that no one finds themselves working for a total assh0le in a job they cannot easily quit.

    There’s your first mistake, Kevin. Congress critters don’t work for the president. They work for you and me. Their oath isn’t to Donald Trump. It’s to the Constitution. I empathize with the pickle they’re in, but that doesn’t mean I’ll excuse them selling out the country because they’re afraid what the mean bully will do to them if they don’t.

    Because then you will know what it’s like. Hint: dissing the boss, undermining the boss, disobeying the boss isn’t going to work.

    You know who else has a crappy job? College administrators. Standing up for the First Amendment can raise a stink that gets you tarred a racist and ends in a pink slip. Do I empathize? You bet. Does that mean I should give you a pass for throwing a professor to the wolves for mentioning a Chinese filler word that sounds like a racial slur? Are you kidding me? Nobody ever said standing up to bullies was easy. But if that’s what your job requires and you won’t do it, then I’m afraid your job should probably go to somebody who will. I don’t get to make that choice for the USC business school. I do get to make it, or at least my tiny part of it, for the U.S. Congress.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  304. BREAKING – CNN TELEVISING PRESIDENT TRUMP IN SUV- HAS LEFT WALTER REED IN MOTORCADE.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  305. they preside over a gaggle of ill educated entitled sjw’s, who are the result of the faculty they hire, who have consumed their portion of mind arson, which originates in soviet educational templates, they go on to media and corporate america, spreading the virus,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  306. What. A. Showman.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  307. another one of those silver bullets that turned into blanks,

    https://spectator.us/melania-trump-tapes-cnn-stephanie-winston-wolkoff/

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  308. @308. You’ve made my point. They knew. The world didn’t. For months- if not years.

    What the ‘doctors’ and WH staff say in the immediacy of this is all pretty much crap– has little to do w/the guy’s condition and everything to do w/keeping markets stable and nat’l security.

    JFK was ‘seriously wounded’ -alive– until he suddenly wasn’t.

    In fact his head was blown off; LIFE bought and kept the Zapruder film away from public view f decades after a few press people saw it- and conspiracy theories were born.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  309. Covid Trump makes appearance at Walter Reed.

    Biden hides in Wilmington bunker.
    Lid on; no events.
    Loser.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  310. There’s your first mistake, Kevin. Congress critters don’t work for the president.

    Well, maybe if you’d read the whole comment rather than cherry-picking your quoteback, you’d see I know that.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  311. You’ve made my point. They knew. The world didn’t. For months- if not years.

    We all knew he was in serious shape. Did they release the entire tape of the operation and all the doctor’s notes? No. Trying to compare Reagan’s shooting disclosures to Trump’s lies about the day of the week is really reaching.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  312. JFK was ‘seriously wounded’ -alive– until he suddenly wasn’t.

    But what? They lied about HOW dead he was? Maybe they just didn’t want people seeing the president’s head blown off over and over again.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  313. I don’t get to make that choice for the USC business school.

    And neither does anyone else.

    I do get to make it, or at least my tiny part of it, for the U.S. Congress.

    So, when they don’t want to face the music from Trumpies, who make the exact same threats you do, they are cowering before bullies, but with you they are just avoiding the light from above?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  314. Maybe Trump’s depraved indifference to anyone but himself is my muse.

    Or it’s just TDS … /SARC — of course!

    It’s baffling how people can hear Trump regularly speak in terms that put his own ego and benefit first — and still believe that when he makes decisions it’s for the national good, and even that he is making a great patriotic sacrifice for us.

    Who else in public life is so widely credited with being a much better person in reality than his/her public self-presentation indicates?

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  315. I wonder how long it will be before Conley is forced to admit that Trump was diagnosed Tuesday before the debate, and avoided testing by arriving late.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  316. BTW, looking at what happened after Reagan was shot, it’s interesting to realize that Haig was quite correct in saying that in any temporary devolution of power, he was next after the VP.

    Why? Because neither the Speaker or the President ProTem can succeed to the office without resigning from Congress, which is not done temporarily, and the Secretary of State is next.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  317. BREAKING – CNN TELEVISING PRESIDENT TRUMP IN SUV- HAS LEFT WALTER REED IN MOTORCADE.

    Uh, no, he’s just doing a drive-by for the crowd.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  318. yes jfk was most definitely dead, largely due to the incompetence of the security services, that would recur with mohammed atta and nidal hassan, to cite two examples,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  319. What the ever-living-feck is up with this a-hole. To do his silly drive around the parking lot, how many people did he have to put at risk with his disease ridden carcas? I’m sure some of the secret service folks, Dr’s, nurses, orderlies, and attendants love having to share the zip code with him.

    He’s Typhoid Mary, just with worse hair.

    Oh, you don’t have to wonder, we live in the age of the tweeter.

    That Presidential SUV is not only bulletproof, but hermetically sealed against chemical attack. The risk of COVID19 transmission inside is as high as it gets outside of medical procedures. The irresponsibility is astounding. My thoughts are with the Secret Service forced to play.

    — Dr. James P. Phillips, MD (@DrPhillipsMD) October 4, 2020

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  320. Well, maybe if you’d read the whole comment rather than cherry-picking your quoteback, you’d see I know that.

    Here’s what you said:

    I truly hope that no one finds themselves working for a total assh0le in a job they cannot easily quit. Because then you will know what it’s like. Hint: dissing the boss, undermining the boss, disobeying the boss isn’t going to work.

    Sure, Senators and Congresspeople are theoretically independent, but Trump has his minions who will cause your defeat. It’s pretty cavalier to say that they should just quit, but it ain’t your career and ambitions you are giving up.

    I don’t see how grudgingly admitting that they’re “theoretically independent” while excusing their kowtowing to the demagogue because he’ll snatch their jobs if they don’t shows you know their duty is to the Constitution, not to Trump. I mean I know you do know that, but you’re working awfully hard to act like you don’t.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  321. So, when they don’t want to face the music from Trumpies, who make the exact same threats you do, they are cowering before bullies, but with you they are just avoiding the light from above?

    Kevin, you can’t tut-tut about how historically awful Trump is, as you have, and then imply there’s anything like a moral equivalence between knuckling to his corrupt, overreaching, anti-democratic demands and resisting them.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  322. The Trump propaganda machine is in full tilt.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  323. Medical doctor at Walter Reed weighs in and is cited as expert in field he knows little of

    https://www.creditloan.com/engineering-the-beast-3d-look-at-presidential-limo/

    “Fresh air enters through a series of high efficiency filters. The interior of the vehicle also has a “positive pressure” system (higher pressure inside than outside), keeping unfiltered air outside.”

    Its quite possible that the air inside the beast is scrubbed cleaner than the air outside to the point that as air exits the vehicle, it is cleaner than the air outside. The (Medical) Doctor makes it sound like the Beast is sealed hermetically in absolute terms and at all times. No air flow in or out. Ever.

    steveg (43b7a5)

  324. Paul Montagu-
    Now that’s timing!

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  325. I take it as further proof that Trump is malingering. He does not have Covid-19. He has TDS — Trump Deflection Strategy.

    nk (1d9030)

  326. @325.Uh, yes, he left WR.

    And went back.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  327. I take it as further proof that Trump is malingering. He does not have Covid-19. He has [banned acronym] — Trump Deflection Strategy.

    nk (1d9030)

  328. @320. No, we ‘all’ didn’t. We all ‘knew’ James Brady was dead, too… until he wasn’t.

    “Let’s get it right!” – Frank Reynolds ABC News 3/30/81

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  329. Its quite possible that the air inside the beast is scrubbed cleaner than the air outside to the point that as air exits the vehicle, it is cleaner than the air outside. The (Medical) Doctor makes it sound like the Beast is sealed hermetically in absolute terms and at all times. No air flow in or out. Ever.

    You do understand that none of that is how air works right? The molecules don’t magically teleport when you exhale to a magic filter.

    Magic isn’t a thing, it’s for children and for the movies. It’s not the plan to respond to a pandemic.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  330. New Yahoo News/YouGov poll: Biden expands lead to 8 points as voters blame Trump for COVID-19 carelessness and chaotic debate
    ……..
    The first survey, conducted from Oct. 1 to Oct. 2, found Biden ahead by 8 points (48 percent to 40 percent) after leading Trump by 5 points (45 percent to 40 percent) in the previous Yahoo News/YouGov poll. The debate, held Sept. 29 in Cleveland, may have made the difference.

    Among registered voters who watched the raucous clash, 46 percent said Biden won; only 28 percent said the same of Trump. The president’s hectoring performance — a clear majority of debate watchers (59 percent) rated it as “poor,” compared to only 32 percent for Biden — was followed by a collapse in his support among likely independent voters. Before the debate, these independents narrowly preferred Trump (44 percent) over Biden (43 percent). After the debate, they preferred Biden (44 percent) over Trump (29 percent) — meaning the president effectively lost 15 points among independents overnight.

    The second Yahoo News/YouGov survey, conducted from Oct. 2 to Oct. 3, found no significant change in Biden’s lead over the president as the cluster of COVID-19 cases among top Republicans started to expand. Nor did it find an outpouring of sympathy for the stricken president or his party.

    In fact, a majority of registered voters blame Trump’s infection on his own actions and attitude. A full 59 percent say the president has “underestimated the risks of COVID-19”; just 21 percent say he has “behaved appropriately.” By a 59 percent to 20 percent margin, registered voters say he has not been wearing a mask and social distancing appropriately. By a 61 percent to 23 percent margin, they say Trump’s level of mask-wearing and social distancing has been “too little” as opposed to “about right.” And by a 64 percent to 15 percent margin, they don’t think the president should have attended a New Jersey fundraiser and mingled with top GOP donors Thursday after learning that a top aide, Hope Hicks, had tested positive for COVID-19.
    ……….
    This the third poll that shows Biden expanding his lead. It appears that the IBD/TIPP is an outlier because it ended before Trump’s COVID-19 announcement.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  331. 334. So you’re saying he left the hospital just long enough to climb into a confined space with his Secret Service detail, exposing them to his highly communicable infection?

    What a guy.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  332. I’m not ordinarily a conspiracy theorist, but I’m going to throw this one out.
    Trump is going to return to the White House tomorrow and he’s not going to return to Walter Reed because, as I write this, they’re setting up a COVID ICU in some hidden basement room in the White House, sort of like where the real president was in that movie, Dave. It’ll be like a mini-hospital there, with every person involved or with knowledge under an NDA.
    That way, he can get treatment, get intubated, get put on a ventilator and so forth, and no one will be the wiser. His sycophants will say he’s doing great, just “recovering” and “resting” from the long weekend. Not only doing great, but recovering better than any 74-year old in history. The real test is whether he’ll be ready to participate in the next debate, and my guess is he won’t make it.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  333. Lol. Some guy on Twitter I’ve never heard of says it perfectly:

    “I didn’t want to do it, but the secret service agents, big macho guys, came up to me and they were crying. ‘Sir, we’ve seen the fake news. It would be the honor of our lives to drive you. Please, sir, please do it.’ And these guys had never cried in their lives. So I did it.”

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  334. ‘This is insanity’: Doctors aghast at Trump’s ‘surprise’ SUV tour
    Medical professionals reacted with horror Sunday to President Trump’s decision to leave the hospital in an SUV for an impromptu tour, calling the move irresponsible and saying others in the car are risking their lives for “political theater.”
    …….
    “ Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary Presidential ‘drive-by’ just now has to be quarantined for 14 days,” tweeted James P. Phillips, who is also a professor at George Washington University. “They might get sick. They may die. For political theater. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater. This is insanity.”
    …….
    The White House did not immediately provide any details on any precautions taken to protect Secret Service members.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  335. I have long admired Kasparov.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-we-must-break-the-fever-20201003-coku2scwljf63dzok6cyazv6qy-story.html

    So many links, so little space. Too many known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns, but here’s a good summary of what we do and do not know.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/04/what-we-know-trump-coronavirus-426130

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  336. Another bullseye from Twitter:

    Secret Service agents agree to take a bullet *for* the President not *from* the President.

    (Twitter can really suck, but it can also be pretty great.)

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  337. DOCTOR: The President broke wind today.

    CNN: What TIME today?

    DOCTOR: 2:30.

    CNN: Is that AM or PM?

    DOCTOR: PM.

    ABC: Is this unusual?

    DOCTOR: Not for a man of his age and diet.

    CBS: So you attribute the President breaking wind to his diet and not Covid?

    DOCTOR: I didn’t say that.

    ABC: But you did raise the issue of his age. Is that a factor?

    DOCTOR: Well, I–

    MSNBC: Is the president lactose intolerant?

    DOCTOR: Huh? Well, he does consume a large amount of carbonated beverages, but…

    MSNBC: Is the President’s intolerance to bubbly brown liquids a symptom of inherent racism?

    DOCTOR: Uh, well– given his age, carbonated beverages can generate gaseous…

    CNN: So the President favors gas over wind power?

    DOCTOR: No, I just said he broke wind, not…

    MSNBC: So the president generates methane. Isn’t that a pollutant?

    THE DAILY SHOW: Does the president light his farts?

    DOCTOR: Huh? You’d have to ask Mr. Meadows that…

    FOX: Is President Trump healthy or the healthiest man in America?

    DOCTOR: All healthy people break wind.

    FOX: When was the last time Joe Biden broke wind?

    DOCTOR: I wouldn’t know, I’n not his doct–

    FOX: But Mr. Biden had multiple brain surgeries here at Walter Reed. Is there a link between that and his history of brain farting?

    DOCTOR: I can’t say. I’m not his physician… Thank you– we’re done here.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  338. they’re setting up a COVID ICU in some hidden basement room in the White House,

    You could be right, Paul. In addition to the reasons you stated, they can bring in the Reverend Doctor Stella Gwandiku-Ambe Immanuel to exorcise the succubi and incubi, something probably not included in Walter Reed protocols.

    If you believe his doctors, they have already thrown everything but the kitchen sink at him by way of orthodox treatment.

    nk (1d9030)

  339. The case against Trump and all his Republican enablers.

    https://reason.com/2020/10/04/the-case-against-trump-donald-trump-is-an-enemy-of-freedom/

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  340. Trump Didn’t Disclose First Positive Covid-19 Test While Awaiting a Second Test on Thursday:

    As the virus spread among the people closest to him, Mr. Trump also asked one adviser not to disclose results of their own positive test. “Don’t tell anyone,” Mr. Trump said, according to a person familiar with the conversation.

    Mr. Trump and his top advisers also aimed to keep such a close hold on the early positive results that his campaign manager, Bill Stepien, didn’t know that Hope Hicks, one of the president’s closest White House aides, had tested positive on Thursday morning until news reports later that evening, according to a person familiar with the matter. The Trump campaign said Friday evening that Mr. Stepien had tested positive.

    The initial secrecy within Mr. Trump’s inner circle has created a sense of anxiety within the West Wing. Publicly, the White House has issued evolving and contradictory statements about the president’s health that has some officials worried about their own credibility.

    “I’m glued to Twitter and TV because I have no official communication from anyone in the West Wing,” an administration official said.

    And if they hadn’t learned it from the news, Biden, whom Trump shouted at onstage, Biden’s family, who sat in the debate room with the unmasked members of Trump’s family (including infected Melania), and the NJ Trump donors with whom he shared a buffet lunch, still wouldn’t know they’d been exposed.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  341. After Dr. Upbeat’s press conference yesterday, it was still unclear to me exactly when Trump tested positive, and it looks like the WSJ has an answer.

    Mr. Trump received a positive result on Thursday evening before making an appearance on Fox News [Hannity] in which he didn’t reveal those results. Instead, he confirmed earlier reports that one of his top aides had tested positive for coronavirus and mentioned the second test he had taken that night for which he was awaiting results.

    We still don’t know when Trump was tested previously, the one that was “negative”. The media has asked, but no answer. Am I missing something?

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  342. Go ahead and hire an engineer who specializes in airflow and filters to do your next colonoscopy and the MD to design airflow in your lab complex.
    I realize we live in an era where what you believe, represent, is valued higher than core competency in the question at hand. We get state and county health directors who are not MD’s or even Administrators, nope, they just check off a bunch of boxes… gender fluid, tri-racial (no white) former sex worker (midget porn), butt plug of sustainable hardwood, iphome playlist curated by a rotating troupe of drag queens, and they spend six weeks during a pandemic crafting a cease and desist letter to the virus over inequities in racial and socio-economics of the infected… viruses are known by the mowt woke amongst us to be more racist than even math and need to be put on stern notice

    steveg (43b7a5)

  343. “Fresh air enters through a series of high efficiency filters. The interior of the vehicle also has a “positive pressure” system (higher pressure inside than outside), keeping unfiltered air outside.”

    Also, since he wasn’t in “the beast” it’s kind of a moot point. He might has well have been in an Accord.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  344. I kind of suspect that doctors kind of know how you kind of get germs, although you kind of wouldn’t suspect it from the kind of doctors kind of from the Trump administration who Trump kind of put in charge of kind of informing us about Covid-19.

    nk (1d9030)

  345. Answer: They already caught the COVID and are therefore immune.
    Question: Why would Secret Service agents want to be locked in a hermetically sealed car with an actively infected patient, wearing minimal PPE?
    It’s the only answer that makes sense.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  346. Jennifer ‘Vote Early’ Rubin
    @JRubinBlogger

    1st question to Judge Barrett: Is it reckless endangerment when you force an employee into a sealed car with a covid patient who is currently hospitalized?
    __ _

    Ian Miles Cheong
    @stillgray
    ·
    I’m sorry this is happening to you.
    __ _

    (((AG)))
    @AGHamilton29
    ·
    What does this have to do with being a Supreme Court Justice?

    How is this person actually a writer for the Washington Post?
    __ _

    harkin (f2bc98)

  347. White House physician Sean Conley draws scrutiny for rosy assessments of Trump’s health
    This spring, Navy Commander Sean Conley confided to co-workers that he was laboring under intense personal stress in his job as White House physician.
    ………
    [L]long before the president contracted a virus especially lethal to older people, some of Conley’s former colleagues said they were disappointed in what they view as his lack of independence from White House politics.

    “Every statement he is giving appears to be political, dictated by the White House or the president,” said one person who has worked with him, who, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid angering the White House. “These are not the statements a medical doctor gives.”
    …….
    Questions about Conley began bubbling this spring when he treated Trump with hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial treatment touted by the president as a wonder drug, even as some studies showed it could increase the risk for some patients………

    The White House has also repeatedly cited Conley in statements asserting that the administration was properly mitigating the risks of covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, despite the fact that the president and his aides have eschewed masks and held public gatherings. In March, after a Brazilian official with whom Trump had posed for a photo tested positive, Conley issued a statement saying the president was low risk and did not need to self-quarantine or be tested.

    And Conley has provided upbeat reports of the president’s health, despite the fact that Trump is 74 and clinically obese, echoing the kind of glowing assessments offered by his predecessor, Navy Rear Adm. Ronny L. Jackson……..
    ………

    Conley is a doctor of osteopathic medicine, while his predecessors have been internists or general practitioners. Doctors of osteopathic medicine have similar training to medical doctors and the same authority to prescribe medicines. One key difference is osteopath training focuses on the relationship of the bones and the body and on treatment of the musculoskeletal system.
    ……..
    Someone way over his head

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  348. New Yahoo News/YouGov poll: Biden expands lead to 8 points as voters blame Trump for COVID-19 carelessness and chaotic debate.

    New Yahoo News/YouGov poll: Biden expands lead to 8 points as voters blame Trump for COVID-19 RECKLESSNESS and chaotic debate.

    Fixed it for you. I had been considering holding my nose and voting for Trump. Not happening now. Have to figure out who to write in. (Last time I voted for some third party guy who turned out to be a major disappointment.)

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  349. What does this have to do with being a Supreme Court Justice?

    Very little, except what you are really asking her is, under the law of most states, didn’t the president commit a criminal act when, knowing he had contracted a deadly disease, he exposed dozens or more people to the possibility of contracting it and dying?

    Since I am admitted in New Jersey, I can cite to the NJ criminal code:

    2C:24-7.1 Endangering another person; offense created; degree of crime.
    1. a. (1) A person commits a disorderly persons offense if he recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of bodily injury to another person.
    (2)A person commits a crime of the fourth degree if he knowingly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of serious bodily injury to another person.
    (3)A person commits a crime of the third degree if he knowingly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of death to another person.

    I’d go with (3).

    Minnesota lawyers may comment on any applicable Minnesota law.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  350. Is the new doctor worse than Ronnie Lynn, the previous “doctor”? I wouldn’t let that guy put a band-aid on a booboo.

    I’d say he’d lose the guaranteed congressional district he’s running in, but Texas continues to employ Louie Gohmert.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  351. If I’d have put up $250k to meet Trump on Thursday, I’d be looking for a refund and some significant compensation.

    Trump likes to talk about suing everyone and their brother, other actual rich people should do the same.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  352. 358. Do you know what the case law is on whether “knowingly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk” means he has to know the conduct creates the risk. or just that he knows he’s engaging in the conduct?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  353. He has to know the conduct creates the risk.

    nk (1d9030)

  354. @137-
    Thanks!

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  355. @137-Disregard.

    @357-
    Thanks!

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  356. @361 — LOL. Are you taking a brief for Trump?

    From my quick research, there are no cases interpreting the statute, which was only enacted in 2015.

    Before then, NJ, bizarrely, only criminalized reckless endangerment in three specific cases:
    (1) putting up a false light, which results in the loss or destruction of a vessel; (2) Manufacturing or selling a golf ball containing acid or corrosive fluid substance; or (3) Purposely or knowingly offering, giving or enticing any person to take or accept any treat, candy, gift, food, drink or other substance that is intended to be consumed which is poisonous, intoxicating, anesthetizing, tranquilizing, disorienting, deleterious or harmful to the health or welfare of such person.

    One case suggests that your first interpreation is the correct one.

    The NJ criminal code has a section that defines various mental states, and it also has a
    “gap filler” that where there is no specific mental state, then the default is that the person acted “knowingly.”

    In State v. Bryant, 419 N.J. Super. 15, 15 A.3d 865 (App. Div. 2011), the Appellate Division considered a conviction under a child endangerment statute, which states in relevant part:

    Any person having a legal duty for the care of a child or has assumed responsibility for the care of a child who engages in sexual conduct which would impair or debauch the morals of the child, . . . is guilty of a crime of the second-degree.

    As there was no mens rea, both the State and the Defendant agreed that the person had to act “knowingly” at least as to the first part, that he “engages in sexual conduct.”

    But the defendant argued that the state also had to prove he had acted knowingly as to the second part, that his actions “would impair or debauch the morals of the child.”

    The Appellate Division held that the gap-filler statute did not mean that ALL elements had to be done knowingly, only the first one, and that the person did not have to have knowledge of the second part, the result.

    So, arguably, the same applies here.

    If it ever came to it, I am sure that there would be arguments on both sides. Note also that the staute does not require the person die, merely the the conduct create a substantial risk of death (or serious bodily harm.)

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  357. @359-
    It’s Ronny Jackson and he diagnosed Trump from 1,600 miles away.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  358. Trump suggests McDonald’s french fries are responsible for keeping his hair from falling out
    …….
    On Wednesday, President Trump took a very brief break from tweeting about Tuesday night’s debate (and retweeting other peoples’ opinions about the debate, and tweeting about James Comey) to comment on a 2018 study that suggested a chemical found in McDonald’s fries could prevent hair loss.

    “No wonder I didn’t lose my hair!” wrote Trump, who retweeted a link to an ABC7 article about the study first shared by former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer in 2018.

    Fleisher, for the record, had originally joked that the chemical “doesn’t work.”
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  359. “(1) putting up a false light, which results in the loss or destruction of a vessel; (2) Manufacturing or selling a golf ball containing acid or corrosive fluid substance; or (3) Purposely or knowingly offering, giving or enticing any person to take or accept any treat, candy, gift, food, drink or other substance that is intended to be consumed which is poisonous, intoxicating, anesthetizing, tranquilizing, disorienting, deleterious or harmful to the health or welfare of such person.”

    This is kind of fascinating to me, because of the feeling that this law was updated over time.

    (1) was probably the original law and dates back to the 1800s
    (2) as a kid in the 70s, I remember urban legends that the inside of a golfball was filled with poison, I wonder if this was an effort by the (no doubt powerfull) golf ball lobby to quell that
    (3) is clearly an anti-roofies law, so probably dates to the 90s or early 00s.

    Davethulhu (47d7cb)

  360. Now do mayor wilhelm and governor cuomo.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  361. Final Commemorative Coin for President Trump’s First Term
    President Donald J. Trump Defeats COVID

    “the new design includes more than a hint of superhero qualities”

    Either someone has done a very convincing parody of the White House Gift Shop website, or else this presidency is beyond parody. But didn’t we already know the latter?

    If SuperTrump has defeated Covid, then either the rest of us can go out and party, or the only person who matters in TrumpWorld is Trump. But didn’t we already know it’s the latter?

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  362. How full of quarantined Secret Service agents are the Qs at Andrews going to be for the next 2-4 weeks? How tired are they going to be of pizza and salad delivered and left in front of their doors?

    Nic (896fdf)

  363. @362 — really interesting, nk.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  364. 367.

    LOL. Are you taking a brief for Trump?

    No lol. I just like the occasional reminder why I never want to have to take another bar exam (much less the 3 day variety I was subjected to 30 yrs ago). I think your answer did the trick.

    Kidding aside, thanks. That was interesting.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  365. That was a child-sex case, following a plea of guilty, concerning the sufficiency of the allocution. The scienter requirements are lower for child sex cases, down to strict liability, and the New Jersey court in fact changed the prior “law” — such as it was, a pattern jury instruction which required that the jury find that the defendant knew that the sexual conduct would impair or debauch the morals of the child.

    nk (1d9030)

  366. Trump suggests McDonald’s french fries are responsible for keeping his hair from falling out

    At last! An explanation for my bald head! I have avoided McDonalds like the plague for virtually my entire life (except for their iced tea, and an occasional soft serve or coffee).

    norcal (a5428a)

  367. Trump suggests McDonald’s french fries are responsible for keeping his hair from falling out

    We are living in the world of satire. Franz Kafka would have had a hard time keeping up.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  368. Its a joke, you folks make walter peck seem with it.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  369. The Greeks probably dislike Turkish proxies almost as much as the Turks themselves.
    How does that old toast go? “Here’s to a stick in your eye”

    steveg (43b7a5)

  370. nk-
    I met this Greek-American girl when she was training. Her brother was on the Greek Olympic team
    https://utsports.com/sports/track-and-field/roster/stamatia-scarvelis/8034

    steveg (43b7a5)

  371. @382 That girl might be able to kick my a$$.

    norcal (a5428a)

  372. Greeks havent had a colonial presence sonce the 3rd century thereabout

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  373. 23. Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:02 am

    In the second week of January, China’s government waited a week too long before initiating an all-out response to the virus, which had been identified for the first time during the first week of January.

    China reported t to the wrld Health Organization on December 31, but probably only because it had already been detected outside the PRC including in Taiwan. For three more weeks they claimed it was not passed on person to person, even though they had to know that was false. They kept on attributing the cases to a “wet market implying that every person had gotten it from an animal. The “wet market” in question actually was a seafood market, and none of the creatures there should have been infectable by a respiratory virus. It was picked however probably because it was to original source of the infection – which could have been the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention, 300 yards away (not the Wuhan Institute of Virology, 8 miles away) The activities of the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention were more secret than that of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. These are both alternative English names.

    Steve Bannon called it a “Biological Chernobyl” (which would mean it was an accident but one they kept hidden.) They may not have known how dangerous it was at first or even that it escaped (or was discarded) by a lab. It could not have originated anywhere near Wuhan (no bats within about 500 miles) and the Chinese government never traced the outbreak to any other place and in fact the question of the origin of the virus is a top state secret in China, and, as usually the case with secrets in China, the fact that it is a secret, is also a secret.

    The local despots may have hidden the extent of the problem from the central government for some time.

    China’s main concern, with regard to the rest of the world was that travel restrictions not be imposed on people from China, and its diplomats indicated that any government doing so would be considered unfriendly to China.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  374. The Australian theory about why China tried not to let the world know how contagious it was was that China wanted to buy up personal protective equipment. But I think that makes China out to be concerned about the lives of this people. Yes they were stockpiling PE but that was par for the course and not the reason.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  375. That is definitely a Greek face on that girl, steveg.

    As for Greeks and Armenians, there is a strong religious affinity, and a cultural affinity that predates Christianity. Armenians and Pontic Greeks are indistinguishable. Elia Kazan could as easily have been Armenian as Greek.

    I have nothing against the Azeris, personally, and I don’t think Greeks generally do, either. They are also a tragic people kicked around for all of their history. In the last century alone by the Big Powers, the Ottomans, and the Bolsheviks. In a sense, they and the Armenians are first cousins, and you’d think that they would both know better.

    Is there, by any chance, oil under those rocks they’re fighting over?

    nk (1d9030)

  376. Lefties squealing that the Secret Service agents were in danger from president when they said nothing about protesters screaming in agents’ faces during DC protests is super lol.

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  377. I have always wanted the lowest common denominator for President. (No, not really.)

    nk (1d9030)

  378. 35. Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:17 am

    . Pelosi controls behavior in the House of Representatives, so she can order masking and social distancing within her realm, and she can push through legislation to help abate, and that’s about all she can do.

    She turned down an offer to let Congress use the same kind of rapid test the White House uses.

    In spite of the fact that Abbott Lab is rapid the White House did not use it quite comprehensively, but still limited its use. When Hope Hicks felt ill she was not tested until the next morning, which was probably a routine test.

    Trump had delivered a less lengthy speech at the rally (it is reported he still verbally attacked people from Somalia) and fell asleep on the plane on the way back, which was unusual for him.

    I read a claim that the test was never intended for screening. But that probably means they simply didn’t get it approved for that. I read a claim that it gives false negatives one quarter to one third of the time. But that is probably in comparison to a PCR test and is because it is less sensitive – it’s probably pretty good at detecting when someone is contagious, and may have a slight false positive rate of 2% or so..

    The problem was the testing was done too far apart in time, and usually when someone was about to see the president. On long trips the person wasn’t retested.

    There clearly was a super spreader somewhere.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  379. She turned down an offer to let Congress use the same kind of rapid test the White House uses.

    There were problems with that WH test, Sammy, which I mentioned upthread.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  380. 60. DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:11 am

    CNN is reporting a source says Trump rec’d supplemental oxygen. A nurse would know better whether this is SOP or just more catnip for a frisky press.

    His ocygen level was low.

    But then he took the antibodies, and the zinc and the Vitamin C and the Vitamin D – everything except HCQ (pepcid, melatonin, aspirin)

    https://www.eatthis.com/trump-covid-supplements

    And his condition improved.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  381. Vladimir Putin sprays disinfectant on everybody visiting him, besides requiring a two week quarantine period.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/world/europe/putin-virus-russia-bubble.html

    The Federal Protective Service, Russia’s answer to the Secret Service, has helped build a virus-free bubble around President Vladimir V. Putin that far outstrips the protective measures taken by many of his foreign counterparts.

    Russian journalists who cover Mr. Putin have not seen him up close since March. The few people who meet him face-to-face generally spend as much as two weeks in quarantine first. The president still conducts his meetings with senior officials — including with his cabinet and his Security Council — by video link from a spartan room in his residence outside Moscow, which has been outfitted with Ms. Izranova’s disinfectant tunnel…

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  382. as I said. Trump has mpved om from HCQ. He was pushing for the following to be authorized sooner.

    https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/trump-covid-regeneron-drug-cocktail-explained/507-042c6581-af06-450c-9f24-1ff96fc586a3

    The main treatment is Regeneron’s polyclonal antibody cocktail. Regeneron announced the development of the antibody treatment — which it said was similar to one they had seen successful in treating Ebola — in March with plans to begin clinical trials by early summer.

    Earlier this week, Regeneron announced its first data from Phase 1/2/3 trials that were still ongoing. It has plans to discuss the results with regulatory agencies.

    At this time, the treatment hasn’t even been given an emergency use authorization by the FDA, which it has for Remdesivir and plasma treatments. That means the treatment is still largely experimental, although Regeneron has boasted of the early trials’ success so far.

    Some of the news media doesn;t want to give credit to the antibody cocktail, but it’s obviously helpful.

    Also “experieental”

    Zinc is a nutritionally essential mineral that plays an important role in immune function, according to the Oregon State University Micronutrient Information Center. Vitamin D is another micronutrient critical to immune system health. While the World Health Organization acknowledges that both are critical to a well-functioning immune system, they say “There is currently no guidance on the use of micronutrient supplements as a treatment of COVID-19.”

    Famotidine is typically used to treat problems with stomach acids and heartburn, according to the drug information database Drugs.com. While there are studies researching the efficacy of famotidine to treat COVID-19, it is not currently recommended as a potential treatment.

    The aspirin, by the way, is probably to prevent clotting.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  383. Chris Wallace said maybe two days ago that he was postponing his Covid test till Monday because of the possibility he could get a false negative. Various news people have tested positive.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  384. From Woodward’s book Rage, regarding China’s terrible conduct regarding Covid-19:

    [Deputy National Security Advisor] Pottinger was confident the information from his sources was solid, based on hard data, not speculation. He’d launched an in-depth examination of the new virus. The first case outside China had been reported on January 13 in Thailand. Clearly the virus was spreading human-to-human.

    Top officials at the Centers for Disease Control, the nation’s chief public health agency, had also been reporting with increasing alarm to Pottinger that they had been trying for weeks to send the crack U.S. disease detectives from the Epidemic Intelligence Service to China to see what was going on. The Chinese had stonewalled, refusing to cooperate and share samples of the virus as required by international agreement.

    The head of the Chinese CDC had sounded like a hostage in one phone call, and the Chinese health minister also refused U.S. assistance.

    Pottinger had seen this movie before. He picked up the pace of his calls the weekend of January 24–26. “I came out of that weekend with my hair standing on end,” Pottinger said privately.

    Several Chinese elites well connected with the Communist Party and government signaled that they thought China had a sinister goal: “China’s not going to be the only one to suffer from this.” If China was the only country to have mass infections on the scale of the 1918 pandemic, they would be at a massive economic disadvantage. It was a suspicion, but one held by the people who knew the regime best. A frightening possibility. Pottinger, a China hawk, was not ready to make a judgment on China’s intent one way or the other. Most likely the outbreak was accidental. But he was certain the United States was in for an unparalleled health onslaught. And China’s lack of transparency would only make it worse. With SARS the Chinese had egregiously concealed the outbreak of a dangerous new infectious disease for three months.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  385. 134. steveg (43b7a5) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:33 pm

    This raises the questions of what size group of people yielded 11 positives and while we understand they did not personally enter the debate hall, did they handle/touch anything that went into the debate hall?

    Air.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  386. Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:29 pm

    And then in the end, they can report he’s “stable” and “in no further danger” for a few days while they shred.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  387. I’m guessing no one has been mailing back those ballots since Thursday.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  388. Last time I voted for some third party guy who turned out to be a major disappointment.

    What were you expecting from a third party anyway?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  389. At last! An explanation for my bald head! I have avoided McDonalds like the plague for virtually my entire life (except for their iced tea, and an occasional soft serve or coffee).

    Sadly, no amount of McDonald’s fries has saved my hair, and I really tried.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  390. This is about Taiwan alerting the world on December 31, 2019:

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/681808/taiwan-coronavirus-warning-who-human-transmission-china

    Taiwan released an email which was sent to WHO on December 31 asking for information about a possible outbreak in Wuhan – saying they had seen reports of seven people being infected with a SARS-like condition.

    WHO claims it never received any emails from Taiwan that mention the threat of the virus passing between people.

    The email points out reports of patients being “isolated”.

    Taiwanese health minister Chen Shih-chung argued this obviously refers to the risk of transmission at a press conference on Saturday in Taipei.

    He said: “If being treated in isolation is not a warning, then what is?.”

    Mr Chen added if China did not notify WHO it was evidence of a cover-up by Beijing, or if China did notify WHO then it was a “dereliction of duty” of the organisation not to pass on information.

    https://time.com/5826025/taiwan-who-trump-coronavirus-covid19

    At 6:30 a.m. on Dec. 31, Dr. Lo at Taiwan’s CDC woke to an alert on his phone.

    His colleagues in the media monitoring unit had detected social media posts about a pneumonia of unknown cause in Wuhan. The original posts in China were quickly removed, but screenshots had been reposted on PTT, a popular online forum in Taiwan. Some commenters feared a resurgence of the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which had killed 774 people in 2002 and 2003, mostly in Asia.

    Lo, an infectious disease expert, looked at the images of laboratory reports and doctors’ messages and suspected something else, something new. “But whether the source was reliable or … indicated the correct pathogen [couldn’t] be proved just from reading that,” he says. So he instructed his colleague to get in touch with counterparts in Beijing and the WHO through the International Health Regulations mechanism, a WHO framework of exchange between countries, to ask for more information.

    [This forced China’s hand – SF]

    Around 1:30 p.m. that afternoon, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission announced 27 cases of pneumonia related to a seafood market. It said their investigations found “no clear human-to-human transmission.” It would be another three weeks before a top Chinese government-appointed expert would confirm on state TV that the disease could spread between people, followed two days later by a WHO statement that said data “suggests that human-to-human transmission is taking place in Wuhan.”

    But Taiwan didn’t wait to step up precautions. On Dec. 31, the island began instituting health screenings for all flights arriving from Wuhan. “We were not able to get satisfactory answers either from the WHO or from the Chinese CDC, and we got nervous and we started doing our preparation,” Foreign Minister Joseph Wu tells TIME. ..

    …According to Tedros, Taiwan was also not the first to flag what was happening in Wuhan. “Many other countries were already asking for clarification,” he said.

    WHO spokesperson Paul Garwood tells TIME that on Dec. 31, “a health authority from a regional bloc of countries” and another country also flagged the outbreak and requested information, though they did not warn about human-to-human transmission. Garwood says he could not publicly reveal who they were because such communications are confidential….

    Much more in that TIME article.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  391. 358. Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:03 pm

    (3)A person commits a crime of the third degree if he knowingly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of death to another person.

    I’d go with (3).

    Substantial, I would think, means something more than a fraction of one percent. To any particular person. Even multiplying by 12 or so, it’s still not substantial.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  392. And it’s got to be “knowingly”

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  393. Substantial, I would think, means something more than a fraction of one percent.

    Measured by the individual risk. You cannot go by the deaths/individuals exposed when the statistics are not evenly distributed. If you exposed a roomful of Olympic athletes the risk is smaller than if you exposed the day room at a nursing home.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  394. The virus was isolated and identified in the first week of January.

    The local Wuhan health authorities were slow to draw the right conclusions, and “played down” what they knew (including from their own national government). The high incidence of asymptomatic cases probably contributed to their uncertainty and confusion.

    Around January 13, experts from Beijing arrived in Wuhan and quickly realized there was a big problem.

    The Chinese government started preparing a national response immediately, but didn’t announce it for about a week. On January 20th, a medical journal article was published in which human-to-human transmission, and China began to impose quarantines.

    What puzzles me is why everybody – not just China – didn’t assume it was transmissible until proven otherwise. There was incomplete evidence, so it would make sense to err on the side of caution. The enormous economic costs involved probably had something to do with it.

    There was understandable reluctance everywhere to face the unpleasant truth. In China, it took until January 20. Here, it looks like it will take exactly one year longer.

    Dave (1bb933)

  395. Shorter Dr. Upbeat: Yeah, in other words, I lied.

    I was trying to reflect the upbeat attitude that the team, the president, over his course of illness has had. I didn’t want to give any information that might steer the course of illness in another direction, and in doing so, came off that we were trying to hide something, which wasn’t necessarily true.

    In other words, it wasn’t necessarily true that they weren’t trying to hide something. And how does it work in medicine, that giving information to the public can steer the course of illness? Trump has employed a lot Trunts to lie for him, but Dr. Upbeat is terrible at it.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  396. An important piece from Dr. Gottlieb:

    All should hope and pray for a quick recovery for the president, his wife and the staffers, elected officials, journalists and others who seem to have been victims of a spreader event. But it didn’t have to happen. Mr. Trump and his team aren’t passive victims of bad luck and an aggressive virus. For months, some of them condoned nonchalance about the virus, mocking precautions such as wearing masks as marks of weakness and dismissing public-health concerns as overwrought.

    This attitude was reflected in policy choices that put the president and nation at risk. Even if we assume that China’s reported Covid figures—a few dozen cases a day—are a fiction, Australia, Hong Kong, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand and Vietnam are seeing a combined average of fewer than 1,000 new cases a day. All of these countries combined are reporting fewer new daily Covid cases than Los Angeles.

    Not all that difference is easy to explain, but part of it is a simple willingness to face reality. Some Asian-Pacific nations have been effective in getting citizens to wear masks and avoid high-risk gatherings. These countries have used widespread testing and contact tracing to isolate the infected and reduce spread. In the U.S., many businesses and schools have reopened following the same principles: testing people and keeping them in small pods, and requiring masks. But at the highest levels of America’s government, leaders played down risks and dismissed these practices. Last month Mr. Meadows said “I will gladly wear my mask each and every day, if that’s what makes the difference. And it doesn’t.” Masks aren’t foolproof, but they do make a difference.

    The White House needed a comprehensive testing strategy for staff and visitors if they were going to rely on diagnostic screening as the sole tool to keep the virus from spreading inside the West Wing and not combine testing with masks and distancing. The White House instead deployed tests that are known to be prone to false negatives when they are used to screen an asymptomatic population.

    People advising the president have told him, even recently, that herd immunity is at hand and that masks don’t work. The latest rosy scenario in administration circles holds that most Americans harbor T-cells from fighting other coronavirus infections that are programmed to attack Covid, and thus the epidemic is much closer to ending than mainstream scientists believe.

    Every theory should be explored, but wishful thinking isn’t sound policy. The present situation calls for a balanced caution—not for shutting down the economy but for avoiding large gatherings, covering faces, and keeping a close eye on the still-rampant spread of the virus.

    Instead, the White House opted for only a couple of half measures, a temperature check and the wrong kind of test for the situation. The incompetency and foolishness are incredible.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  397. With Trump’s little impromptu Sunday parade, isn’t it time for him start receiving psychiatric care there at Walter Reed?

    Dave (1bb933)

  398. Here’s a good question from a Dispatch comment thread: So which would be worse, using a mask as a prop, or using the Bible as a prop?

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  399. 327. bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 10/4/2020 @ 3:39 pm

    yes jfk was most definitely dead, largely due to the incompetence of the security services,

    The key mistake was they lost a chance to ave his life – he driver of the car, in shock, slowed down after the first shot, (which completely missed the car, according to Case Closed by Gerald Posner – the Warren commission said only two bullets were fired and if there was a third, it was between what was really the second and the third, thus creating an apparent issue of the rifle firing too fast which argument isn’t correct though anyway because there would be only two intervals between shots, not three)

    The car continued driving away almost in a straight line from Oswald, except more slowly. It took 5 second for the next shot to be fired It was what is now known as the “magic bullet” that hit both Connally and Kennedy – probably paralyzing him. The third bullet, some three second after the second, went into Kennedy’s head, and contrary to the laws of physics, blew his head back, but Luis Alvarez proved later, by experiment and by motion picture photos of some GIs who were killed by snipers in Vietnam, that, on that point, the Warren Commission was right and the laws of physics were wrong!

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5934694

    The Kennedy family (it was bigger than him) to say the least was never particularly honest about his health. – and it did take his people about an hour to acknowledge his death. But tht’s the way it is with many people who are fatally injured.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  400. 408. Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/5/2020 @ 2:16 am

    And how does it work in medicine, that giving information to the public can steer the course of illness?

    Well, obviously that doesn’t make sense (unless you want to argue it will cause the doctors to abandon treatment) so what he must have meant was that it would make it appear Trump’s prognosis was worse than it was. The doctor also said he was given antibodies 24 hours before he was diagnosed, obviously garbling his words. He said it was because he “translated” Day 2 and Day 3 wrong.

    Trump was actually probably heading into very serious danger, but the antibodies made it into a mild case, and if they’d give him some more antibodies they’d probably clear it up in two or three days maximum. But this won’t become standard treatment for up to another six months, and in the meantime people criticize him for pushing it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/us/politics/coronavirus-vaccine.html

    ..People briefed on the discussions say the White House has also pushed for progress by the fall on therapeutics — drugs to treat people who fall ill to the disease — including the possibility of an emergency use authorization for one or more of those drugs. Late last month, Mr. Trump called the chief executive of Regeneron Pharmaceuticals to check on the progress of a potential antibody treatment.

    so far they’ve kept the FDA from approving it for emergency use, but Trump got to use it. If Trump comes out for making it available to other patients, Biden will probably oppose it, unless he regains some sense.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  401. With Trump’s little impromptu Sunday parade, isn’t it time for him start receiving psychiatric care there at Walter Reed?

    Dexamethasone Common Side Effects–just the ones Trump needs…
    Acne
    Insomnia
    Vertigo
    Increased appetite
    Weight gain
    Impaired skin healing
    Depression
    Euphoria

    Hypertension
    Increased risk of infection
    Raised intraocular pressure
    Vomiting
    Dyspepsia
    Confusion
    Amnesia
    Irritability

    Nausea
    Malaise
    Headaches
    Cataract (in cases of long-term treatment it occurs in about 10% of patients)

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  402. These countries have used widespread testing and contact tracing to isolate the infected and reduce spread. In the U.S., many businesses and schools have reopened following the same principles: testing people and keeping them in small pods, and requiring masks…The White House needed a comprehensive testing strategy for staff and visitors if they were going to rely on diagnostic screening as the sole tool to keep the virus from spreading inside the West Wing and not combine testing with masks and distancing.

    But what they did wasn’t enough. It was, if not not a half measure, and maybe even a 5/6 measure, not enough. It wasn’t rigorously thought out.

    The latest rosy scenario in administration circles holds that most Americans harbor T-cells from fighting other coronavirus infections that are programmed to attack Covid, and thus the epidemic is much closer to ending than mainstream scientists believe.

    It’s probably more like about 40%, but even if it was 52% it is not enough. This figure has probably remained stable since Narch and only 10% to 15% of the people – which would be maybe another 5% to that 40% plus – given that half the population have some sort of immunity anyway to begin with, have been added.

    60% isn’t enough fpr herd immunity.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  403. So which would be worse, using a mask as a prop, or using the Bible as a prop?

    And who was it that rehearsed pulling a mask he never uses out of his pocket as a debate stunt?

    Dave (1bb933)

  404. Man… I don’t think I’ve seen the media lose their mind as bad as we’ve seen.

    NOTE: Dexamethasone is a common anti-inflammatory and immunosuppressant medication with NUMEROUS applications. Looking at side-effects on medications to prove that POTUS will have psychic issues is literally pants-on-silly.

    whembly (c30c83)

  405. Looking at side-effects on medications to prove that POTUS will have psychic issues is literally pants-on-silly.

    I think you misunderstand. Trump doesn’t need any side-effect to be batsh*t crazy.

    Dave (1bb933)

  406. Trump was actually probably heading into very serious danger, but the antibodies made it into a mild case, and if they’d give him some more antibodies they’d probably clear it up in two or three days maximum.

    That’s complete speculation, Sammy, which is a problem that is only exacerbated by White House spin and bullsh*t. Trump works me, and I’d like to know what’s really going on. Maybe he is getting better, but we have no data or vitals, just their word, and I don’t trust the words coming out of Trump’s or Conley’s or Meadows’ mouths.

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  407. Man… I don’t think I’ve seen the media lose their mind as bad as we’ve seen.

    NOTE: Dexamethasone is a common anti-inflammatory and immunosuppressant medication with NUMEROUS applications. Looking at side-effects on medications to prove that POTUS will have psychic issues is literally pants-on-silly.

    whembly (c30c83) — 10/5/2020 @ 7:59 am

    Don’t start from the conclusion the media is being unfair. It’s reasonable to assume they are unfair, but not relevant. I don’t even care or feel any sympathy for Trump. That’s the consequence of his nastiness and constant deceptions to the press. But again, irrelevant.

    Trump’s mental health has been an open, reasonable question, ever since Cohen defended Trump for brutalizing his first wife. His bizarre choices all year have consistently made the economy and the health crisis much worse. Recently we learned he’s not a businessman, really. He’s sworn that he failed, big time, every year, at his business. That’s actually pretty crazy because most rich people would have stopped doing the same thing that failed over and over.

    Add in his debate performance, easily the worst we’ve ever seen, couldn’t just shut up, asked an org led by Jew hating violent goofballs to “stand by,” basically betraying his oath again. Happily accepts the support of people who try to defend the Proud Boys as anything other than what they are (some of these “people” might even be right here).

    And now he’s driving around DC because the doc told him he can’t be discharged. That’s stupid, weirdo behavior, meant to show who the boss is, putting people in danger.

    Time for Pence to take charge of the administration. If there’s even a teeny tiny chance of beating Biden, this is it. Unfortunately, Trump fans are kinda religious in their adoration and believe because Trump won in 2016, no poll could possibly be accurate. But this isn’t up to them. It isn’t up to Trump. It’s up to Trump’s cabinet who have known better for years.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  408. Maybe he is getting better, but we have no data or vitals, just their word, and I don’t trust the words coming out of Trump’s or Conley’s or Meadows’ mouths.

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:16 am

    A new Boy Who Cried Wolf. If Trump were indeed doing great, no one believes it. If he has a great vaccine rolling out, no one believes it. The Bagdad Bob act for years, Trump simply never admits anything. He simply does not feel accountable. Integrity is for ‘cucks’. What a weak man.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  409. @420

    Don’t start from the conclusion the media is being unfair.

    Dustin (4237e0) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:21 am

    Nah. That’s my default position.

    They’ve burned their credibility during the Trump era, such that it’s now understood that most of them are advocates, rather good faith journalists.

    This is why #FakeNews has legs.

    whembly (c30c83)

  410. Remember when, way back less than a week ago, Trump was a historically bad crazy moron person in that “debate” labeled thing. A few days before with his tax scandal…

    Hey, we his bosses, decided to give the America’s Lady Friday a drug that may make the crazy man more crazy is a better idea, than just have folks around him wear a simple mask.

    What a bunch of morons, collectively, all of America, we’re all tarred with the moron brush.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  411. NEXT YEAR WILL BE THE BEST EVER. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!!!!!
    Donald Trump begging twitter for a second chance this morning

    Dustin (4237e0)

  412. Nah. That’s my default position.

    Learn how to think. Whether the press is mean to Trump is not relevant to whether Trump is fit for office, based on the facts not in dispute. Dismissing this point with ‘nah, press mean!!!!’ is not a smart way to look at things. This is how Trump fanatics have badly damaged the prestige of a great nation, refusing to think straight.

    Watch Pence vs Harris in a couple of days. I bet he impresses. Trump not only failed to beat Biden, he looked crazy.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  413. From three years ago:

    A pharmacist who fills all the scrips for members of Congress says he’s given Alzheimer’s drugs to lawmakers — who may be running the country while losing their marbles.

    “At first it’s cool, and then you realize, I’m filling some drugs that are for some pretty serious health problems as well. And these are the people that are running the country,” Mike Kim told STAT News, reportedly citing diabetes and Alzheimer’s treatments.

    “It makes you kind of sit back and say, ‘Wow, they’re making the highest laws of the land and they might not even remember what happened yesterday.’”

    Kim owns Grubb’s Pharmacy, a 150-year-old DC drugstore that delivers as many as 100 prescriptions a day to Capitol Hill, the outlet reports.

    https://www.nypost.com/2017/10/11/pharmacist-hints-some-congress-members-have-alzheimers

    I am relieved that pundit doctors and blog commenters are finally concerned about medications and their side effects. I expect Twitter to be jam packed with inquisitions and assumptions regarding congress.

    BuDuh (9d1385)

  414. They’ve burned their credibility during the Trump era,

    Do you think Trump has credibility? If you heard one story from Trump and the opposite from WaPo, NYT, NBC, … , would you believe Trump?

    If you heard one story from Kayleigh McEnany and Mark Meadows, and the opposite from “the media,” which story would you believe?

    When you hear contradictory lines from Trump himself, or his surrogates, do you go with whichever one is the opposite of what “the media” are saying, because they’re always “fake news”?

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  415. So which would be worse, using a mask as a prop, or using the Bible as a prop?

    Or using a Kente cloth and a knee as a prop?

    (I know… whataboutisms are a one way street..)

    BuDuh (9d1385)

  416. I am relieved that pundit doctors and blog commenters are finally concerned about medications and their side effects. I expect Twitter to be jam packed with inquisitions and assumptions regarding congress.

    Might it be just possible that a mentally impaired president is a more serious problem than a few senile lawmakers?

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  417. Kim owns Grubb’s Pharmacy, a 150-year-old DC drugstore that delivers as many as 100 prescriptions a day to Capitol Hill, the outlet reports.

    I think that should be: Kim owns Grubb’s Pharmacy, a 150-year-old DC drugstore that until now delivered as many as 100 prescriptions a day to Capitol Hill, the outlet reports. Or at least I know I would switch my prescriptions out of there, right now, and I’m nobody.

    nk (1d9030)

  418. If you heard one story from Trump and the opposite from WaPo, NYT, NBC, … , would you believe Trump?

    Is the story “Russian collusion?”

    BuDuh (9d1385)

  419. Do you think Trump has credibility? If you heard one story from Trump and the opposite from WaPo, NYT, NBC, … , would you believe Trump?

    Embrace the power of AND. They are both liars, and neither can be relied to get to the truth.

    So the answer is I believe neither, until I find credible evidence to support one side or the other. And given that life is complicated, the truth may well lie somewhere in between, or perhaps contradict both narratives.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  420. (I know… whataboutisms are a one way street..)

    Actually, I’ve seen criticism of the Kente cloth stunt from people who also criticized Trump’s Bible-holding stunt. But putting on the Kente cloth didn’t require forcefully clearing out Lafayette Square beforehand.

    It’s the Trumpists who are fiercely resistant to holding Trump to the standards they demand of others.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  421. What I do know is that Trump and his crew recklessly exposed a group of his own donors ($250k a plate, holey moley, that buy’s a lot of caviar!) to a potentially deadly disease. After they knew he and his assistant, Hope Hicks, had tested positive. That’s borderline criminal, if not criminal.

    Sorry, all the BS spin will not change that.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  422. Is the story “Russian collusion?”

    What if the story is the administration’s pressure on the intelligence community to hold back intelligence on Russian interference because it “made the president look bad”?

    What if Trump says he trusts Putin’s word over the U.S. intelligence community? Do you then say “OK, gotta go with Putin then”?

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  423. The incompetency and foolishness are incredible.

    You misspelled “mundane.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  424. @425

    Nah. That’s my default position.

    Learn how to think.

    Bruh.

    Whether the press is mean to Trump is not relevant to whether Trump is fit for office, based on the facts not in dispute.

    Nope. These people are partisan hacks who wants Trump to lose. At this point, they’re the propaganda arm of the DNC. I challenge you to refute that.

    For that, alone, is enough for me to do the *opposite* of what they want.

    Dismissing this point with ‘nah, press mean!!!!’ is not a smart way to look at things.

    Neither is rewarding their efforts to their desired electoral outcome.

    Most everyone during the Trump era need to have a “come to Jesus” moment.

    That goes from the Party leaderships, #NeverTrumper and the media.

    This is how Trump fanatics have badly damaged the prestige of a great nation, refusing to think straight.

    This is how you get “Trump’ed”.

    Dustin, you cannot handwave their behaviors.

    For me, my turning point was during the Kavanaugh fiasco and the Convington Pile-on™.

    Trump has done enough to alleviate much of my fears in the early days (my fears was that he would “re calibrate” and be that NY Democrat that he was for most of his life and that’s ONLY because the media/Democrat never gave him a “lane”).

    The choice now is a POTUS who revels in chaos, but mostly pushes standard GOP/Conservative agendas versus a figure-head who’s party is dominated by radical leftist who I don’t believe has the spine to stand up against his own party’s radicals.

    For me, my vote is a simple rational decision.

    I’m doing my part to prevent today’s Democrat from having any government powers as best as I can.

    Watch Pence vs Harris in a couple of days. I bet he impresses.

    He always impresses me. No worries there.

    Trump not only failed to beat Biden, he looked crazy.

    Dustin (4237e0) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:38 am

    Trump was “Trumpy” and he could’ve been more prepared. But, “he looked crazy” ain’t it chief.

    whembly (c30c83)

  425. Embrace the power of AND.

    I’ve been alert to media bias (and simple error) for many years. But it’s astonishing how most of the people who now sound so outraged about “dishonest” media saying unflattering things about Trump are completely unconcerned about the deeper and more routine dishonesty of Trump himself.

    If the New York Times says one thing and Trump says the opposite, it’s folly to give higher credence to Trump.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  426. Learn how to think. Whether the press is mean to Trump is not relevant to whether Trump is fit for office, based on the facts not in dispute. Dismissing this point with ‘nah, press mean!!!!’ is not a smart way to look at things. This is how Trump fanatics have badly damaged the prestige of a great nation, refusing to think straight.

    No, this is how the press has squandered any trust (and long before Trump). Once the press is seen as partisan, it will be treated as just more political spin. Doesn’t matter if it’s the WaPo or Fox News. Once objectivity is abandoned by the press, the expectation objectivity by the readers will (and should) vanish.

    It’s a problem, and really only solvable by the men and women of the press itself.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  427. @427

    They’ve burned their credibility during the Trump era,

    Do you think Trump has credibility?

    Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:44 am

    Don’t make this about Trump. Just because Trump does something… doesn’t give you or anyone else “cover” to doing something that burns your credibility to the ground.

    The most frustrating about this conversation is that ALL THE MEDIA HAD TO DO IS REPORT IN GOOD FAITH!! That, by itself, ought to be enough for them for Trump regularly steps on his own dick.

    whembly (c30c83)

  428. But, “he looked crazy” ain’t it chief.

    Okay, I’ll give you that. It’s not that he “looked” crazy. It’s that he is crazy — is we’ve heard from some insiders, who attest that there really isn’t a more sober, serious, rational Trump behind that ludicrous public persona.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  429. seeing as they’ve bought rags from suspected russian spies like danchenko, and fly by night outfits like crowdstrike,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  430. @437, he hates the same people you hate and you’ll tolerate his lies, corruption and incompetence if that’s the price. It’s a coherent stance I’ll give you that.

    Time123 (653992)

  431. The most frustrating about this conversation is that ALL THE MEDIA HAD TO DO IS REPORT IN GOOD FAITH!! That, by itself, ought to be enough for them for Trump regularly steps on his own dick.

    whembly (c30c83) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:13 am

    They often do.

    Time123 (653992)

  432. I expect Twitter to be jam packed with inquisitions and assumptions regarding congress.

    We demand tax returns, but not medical records. The first is mostly prurient, the latter is important.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  433. If you heard one story from Trump and the opposite from WaPo, NYT, NBC, … , would you believe Trump?

    Why would one of them be true?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  434. ALL THE MEDIA HAD TO DO IS REPORT IN GOOD FAITH!!

    Most Trump fans do not believe anything negative about Trump no matter how “good faith” the reporting is. They don’t even believe the evidence of Trump’s badness when it’s presented by Trump himself without intermediary.

    The spectacle of regular Trump defenders pretending to care about honesty is bizarre.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  435. Most Trump fans do not believe anything negative about Trump

    True. Also, most anti-Trumps believe anything damaging with very little evidence.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  436. True. Also, most anti-Trumps believe anything damaging with very little evidence.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:22 am

    Yeah, pretty much.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  437. @444

    They often do.

    Time123 (653992) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:15 am

    I disagree.

    whembly (c30c83)

  438. Trump is apparently looking to remove Christopher Wray, the head of the FBI because he didn’t like his testimony on the hill and isn’t punishing Trumps enemies well enough. As a reminder, this was under oath and so far there hasn’t been any evidence provided to believe Wray wasn’t fully truthful. Trump just didn’t like it.

    Just as an example of Trumps incompetence and corruption. Now imagine the corruption is happening with a president you don’t support. One who isn’t so incompetent that they regularly tell you exactly what, why and how they’re being corrupt.

    Time123 (441f53)

  439. They often do.

    Yes. Reporters may have their ideological blinders, and even agendas, but they are more likely to be trying to get the facts straight than Trump has ever been. And when people who have long presented themselves as media watchdogs become reflexive defenders of Donald Trump, I have to wonder about their biases.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  440. 450, I know you do. And I’m sure our preconceptions make their mistakes look very different.

    Time123 (441f53)

  441. Also, most anti-Trumps believe anything damaging with very little evidence.

    I don’t automatically believe every anti-Trump story. But I believe what I see directly from Trump himself, while Trump defenders keep insisting that he’s really a much better person than he seems to be.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  442. Also, most anti-Trumps believe anything damaging with very little evidence.

    When numerous people who chose to work in this administration leave and then say pretty much the same things about Trump’s unfitness, I find the cumulative evidence credible.

    Trump defenders, OTOH, will always find or invent some reason to discount it, and then keep saying that those eeevil “anti-Trump” people are always desperate to find some justification for an irrational “hatred.”

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  443. like mr. general george s. patton, who was played by mr. actor george c. scott, never said, mr. dustin

    nobody ever did the work of the antichrist by getting the covid-19

    you do the work of the antichrist by giving a yuge bunch of other people the covid-19

    nk (1d9030)

  444. @451

    Trump is apparently looking to remove Christopher Wray, the head of the FBI because he didn’t like his testimony on the hill and isn’t punishing Trumps enemies well enough. As a reminder, this was under oath and so far there hasn’t been any evidence provided to believe Wray wasn’t fully truthful. Trump just didn’t like it.

    Just as an example of Trumps incompetence and corruption. Now imagine the corruption is happening with a president you don’t support. One who isn’t so incompetent that they regularly tell you exactly what, why and how they’re being corrupt.

    Time123 (441f53) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:27 am

    I actually think this is a Bill Barr thing as he probably want “his guy” for FBI dir.

    whembly (c30c83)

  445. @453

    450, I know you do. And I’m sure our preconceptions make their mistakes look very different.

    Time123 (441f53) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:28 am

    Absolutely.

    whembly (c30c83)

  446. What I do know is that Trump and his crew recklessly exposed a group of his own donors ($250k a plate, holey moley, that buy’s a lot of caviar!) to a potentially deadly disease. After they knew he and his assistant, Hope Hicks, had tested positive.

    Bored Lawyer, where did you see this timeline. I believe you because your posts are more thorough than many others here. I would like to know where you read this account as I may share this with fellow Trump supporters.

    Thanks.

    BuDuh (af3778)

  447. When the facts contradict the Trump Narrative, it isn’t media bias, but Trump fans started maintaining that it was, literally on day one, when Trump said that he’d had the largest inauguration ever and then the media went “no” and showed pics from the Obama inauguration taken at the same time, at the same place, with more people. Then the Trump fans had a hissy fit about the press being biased and undermining the president and came up with 850,000 conspiracy theories. That’s not bias, it’s just facts.

    Nic (896fdf)

  448. Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:09 am

    If the New York Times says one thing and Trump says the opposite, it’s folly to give higher credence to Trump.

    That’s the New York Times. But what about the Washington Post?

    If the New York Times doesn’t say it also, whom do you believe, or more precisely, which way would you bet??

    By the way, you have to read the NYT very carefully. Pay attention to solid facts and ignore generalizations.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  449. Try any of these:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/politics/bedminister-trump-fundraiser-coronavirus/index.html

    https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/10/trump-held-nj-fundraiser-hours-before-testing-positive-for-covid-19.html

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-trumps-last-public-event-before-disclosing-he-has-coronavirus-11601833568

    There seems to be some confusion as to when Trump himself tested positive, but Hope Hicks definitely tested positive well before the event, and attended anyway.

    (And some of the plates were cheaper than $250k. Some as low as $2600. Of course, those donors got hot dogs with sauerkraut.)

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  450. Well, Trump best make it out of Reed before the Veep debate, if Pence impresses, there might be a Hyman Roth incident.

    urbanleftbehind (fa9363)

  451. @451
    Trump is apparently looking to remove Christopher Wray, the head of the FBI because he didn’t like his testimony on the hill and isn’t punishing Trumps enemies well enough. As a reminder, this was under oath and so far there hasn’t been any evidence provided to believe Wray wasn’t fully truthful. Trump just didn’t like it.
    Just as an example of Trumps incompetence and corruption. Now imagine the corruption is happening with a president you don’t support. One who isn’t so incompetent that they regularly tell you exactly what, why and how they’re being corrupt.

    Time123 (441f53) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:27 am

    I actually think this is a Bill Barr thing as he probably want “his guy” for FBI dir.

    whembly (c30c83) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:42 am

    Maybe, but there’s a lot of reporting about Trump opinion on this none that I’ve seen about Barr. Also, Wray *is* a Trump appointee, Trump got to pick his guy. Even if it is about Control for Barr I think that’s also a corrupt reason to remove Wray. The head of the FBI shouldn’t be a political appointee.

    Time123 (441f53)

  452. @464

    Maybe, but there’s a lot of reporting about Trump opinion on this none that I’ve seen about Barr. Also, Wray *is* a Trump appointee, Trump got to pick his guy. Even if it is about Control for Barr I think that’s also a corrupt reason to remove Wray. The head of the FBI shouldn’t be a political appointee.

    Time123 (441f53) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:13 am

    The FBI director *is* a political appointee.

    Many on this board (including you I believe) believe that there need to be absolute demarcation between the Whitehouse and the DOJ (which includes the FBI).

    That is the wrong way to look at that.

    Positions like the AG and FBI Directorship works *for* the President. (not independently *for* the US). If any of them is not performing as the President wants, the President can (and should) find someone else.

    Otherwise, you’re advocating an untenable situation where these positions are not held accountable to anyone.

    whembly (c30c83)

  453. Positions like the AG and FBI Directorship works *for* the President. (not independently *for* the US). If any of them is not performing as the President wants, the President can (and should) find someone else.

    Otherwise, you’re advocating an untenable situation where these positions are not held accountable to anyone.

    This is all true, but sidesteps the point. The president, and his appointees, are supposed to be exercising their duties for the public good, not to advance the political position of the president, at least not directly. (Of course, if the president is seen as doing a good job, that helps his re-election chances.)

    And Congress does have oversight, so the testimony to them has to be above-board. If you mislead Congress under oath, then you are going over the line.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  454. @466 I’m not sidestepping the point. The “go-to” response has been that action is “corrupt”…

    I agree with your overall post, but there’s a wide gulf between replacing someone for corrupt reasons vs the POTUS’ desire for certain job performance.

    whembly (c30c83)

  455. Whembly,

    I think we’re close.

    You are 100% legally correct and I admit that. Just as Trump and McConnel could legally have added a dozen new judges to the supreme court this year and made 3 of them Trump’s kids.

    But there is a norm that the law enforcement agencies don’t act as political agencies of the executives that are in charge of them. It’s part of why the FBI director is nominated for a 10 year term. It’s just a norm, and Trump is within his right to fire Wray and replace him with political crony, say Roger Stone. If the Senate approved it would be totally legal.

    This isn’t to say that Wray couldn’t or shouldn’t be accountable to elected officials. He should be, but having that take the form of politically motivated investigations or prosecutions and message discipline is IMO corrupt.

    It’s fine for the president to set broad priorities. Saying “The FBI needs to more focus on child sex trafficking and Terrorism.” is fine IMO. Saying “The head of the FBI needs to publicly state that my political opponents are terrorists who traffic children.” is not.

    It was corrupt for Loretta Lynch to meet with Bill Clinton on the tarmac. It would have been more corrupt for Obama to contact Comey and tell him to announce that Hillary did nothing wrong, or even to tell him that no announcement ahead of the election was permissible. It would have been in between for Obama to openly rage about what Comey was doing and make it clear that he would fire him if damaging information wasn’t stopped.

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