Presidential Debate Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Well, tonight’s the big night. The first of three presidential debate begins at 9 p.m. ET (6 p.m. PT) and you can watch it on every major network and cable news channel as well as on YouTube.
So, how’s the debate prep going for the two candidates? Frankly, the former TV reality star doesn’t appear to be too concerned about doing any serious preparation ahead of tonight’s event:
On Monday morning, he made a surprise appearance on the South Lawn to survey a new all-electric pickup truck. He convened reporters in the Rose Garden later in the day for an announcement on Covid testing.
On Saturday, the President was largely preoccupied with the pending announcement of Amy Coney Barrett as his Supreme Court nominee and held no formal debate prep sessions, according to people familiar with the matter… After the announcement Trump flew to Pennsylvania for a campaign rally.
On Sunday, Trump spent much of the morning and early afternoon at his private golf club in Virginia — and was seen playing a round on the course midday — before convening an early evening press conference, which had no discernible purpose other than repeating his praise of Barrett and making false claims about mail-in voting. Christie and Giuliani joined him off to the side, and Trump said they were alternating playing Biden in debate practice sessions…
“We had a little debate prep before we came here,” Trump said at his news conference. “I think this whole thing, though, is debate prep. You know, what I do is debate prep every day.”
But there is some loosey-goosy-on-the-go prep happening:
In reality, people familiar with the matter said, both men along with several of the President’s aides are informally tossing out lines they believe Biden might use to see how Trump responds.
That includes accusing Trump of mismanaging the coronavirus pandemic, which the President is likely to rebut by citing his decision to ban travel from China — and accusing Biden of being soft on Beijing. Aides also expect Biden to bring up reports Trump disparaged members of the military, which he will seek to counter by pointing to his record of securing Pentagon funding while accusing Biden of supporting endless foreign wars.
Trump’s Director of Communications Tim Murtaugh echoed the President:
“The president prepares by being president. And by regularly facing hostile news media. That’s pretty good practice by any measure.” The president spokesperson added that while President Trump’s ABC News Town Hall last month advertised questions by “uncommitted” voters, the president was pressed. “He faced a rigorous and challenging questioning, I think, to put it mildly. It was a good debate practice workout.”
And yet, one would have to believe that surely his aides and campaign handlers are peppering the President with strategical responses to the just-released analysis of his tax returns. Specifically on how he should respond to Americans’ outrage over $750. With a massive number of voters now unemployed, losing their businesses, being evicted from their places of residence, and/or relying on food banks for the first time all because of the pandemic, how does Trump explain the paltry sum to frustrated Americans? Certainly blathering on about tax laws and loopholes, etc., is not going to cut it. While one would think that his base would continue to see this as just another unfair attack on him, might this just be a bridge too far for those supporters that have actually taken a financial hit during the pandemic? And of course, what about the undecideds? How does he reach them in light of this latest revelation?
For Joe Biden, debate prep is happening in the traditional do-your-homework manner:
[D]ebate prep has been taking place both in-person at his Delaware home and virtually, in huddles with long-time advisers and top campaign officials, according to a campaign source familiar with the strategy.
The Democrats are reviewing the president’s almost daily tweets about Biden, his record and his family as examples of the type of attacks they think the president will focus on.
“The people know the president is a liar,” Biden said in a MSNBC interview on Saturday. “He doesn’t know how to debate the facts, because he’s not that smart.”
“He doesn’t know that many facts. He doesn’t know much about foreign policy. He doesn’t know much about domestic policy. He doesn’t know much about the details,” Biden added.
For their part, the campaign believes Tuesday’s debate topics — specifically, COVID-19, race and violence in cities, and election integrity — allow Biden to highlight what he sees as the president’s most serious missteps. He’s expected to retool criticisms of the Trump administration he has been using for the past few months.
Biden is also expected to defend the Affordable Care Act and connect its fate, in part, to the nomination of Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court, since Democrats see the nominee as potentially hostile to the Obama-era healthcare plan.
Axios lists some possible pitfalls that Trump and Biden need to watch for, respectively. I’ve taken their list and added my own thoughts and examples to it, thus it’s not in blockquotes:
Overconfidence. He hasn’t taken debate prep seriously. He is a bully by nature, and he may try to strongarm Biden – who has had 47 years of debate experience.
Policy. Can he clearly articulate what his second-term agenda would look like without the use of a teleprompter, or will he just go on some generalized stemwinder, which is what he is most comfortable with?
Attacks on the moderator. Think: Megyn Kelly.
Downplaying the coronavirus. How can his team even prepare him to answer to valid attacks by Biden on his mishandling of the pandemic when he has steadfastly refused to admit to it?
Lying. This will be a big problem for Trump, who likes to make stuff up in general. Given that Chris Wallace won’t be fact-checking the President, this presents the risk of Trump getting away with any number of lies during the actual debate (although his lies will be called out afterward).
The potential pitfalls for Joe Biden include: misspeaking, transposing numbers or seeming to lose his train of thought.
More:
Losing his cool. He has been confrontational with voters while on the campaign trail, and has aggressively gotten in their faces. So, when Trump baits him tonight, will he be able to keep his cool? It’s a problem for Biden, especially as he has even lost his temper and blamed Democrats for his own words. Remember when he was a guest on radio host Charlamagne tha God, and made his now infamous comment, “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black,” and the next day angrily blamed the black radio host for baiting him? Another example was, when he was questioned by a reporter about whether he had taken a cognitive test, Biden got angry and demanded to know whether the reporter was a junkie.
Verbosity. It is nearly impossible for Biden to go straight from Point A to Point B in a succinct and coherent manner. He is prone to finding himself out in the weeds, resulting in a tuned-out-glazed-over audience. He needs to make cogent and succinct arguments.
Lying. Biden is prone to storytelling and has been known to tell some real whoppers.
Tripping over his own tongue. He is also a human gaffe machine who has insulted any number of minority voters.
And there is this: “He’s also a creature of decades spent in the Senate, and some of his parliamentary verbiage is better understood in the cloakroom than in American living rooms.”
Two points of attack by Trump which are almost guaranteed to provoke an angry response from Biden will be questions about his age and mental acuity, as well as anything to do with Hunter Biden.
P.S. – The Trump campaign has made a last-minute request that both camps allow a third-party inspection of the debaters’ ears tonight for any electronic devices or transmitters. While Trump has agreed to this, Biden has declined to any such ear check.
It should be a fun night!
–Dana
UPDATE BY PATTERICO: I’ll try to be active in the comments. Let’s keep it friendly! Biden did make this joke on Twitter:
It’s debate night, so I’ve got my earpiece and performance enhancers ready. pic.twitter.com/EhOiWdjh1b
— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) September 29, 2020
What a mouthful of a post. But there’s a lot going on ahead of tonight’s Main Event.
Dana (292df6) — 9/29/2020 @ 12:53 pmI won’t be watching, and I already know how it will go. No matter how well Trump does, or how bad Biden does, the spin will be that Biden won because he did better than a mannequin.
beer ‘n pretzels (21c0fe) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:02 pmI’ll try to watch, or at least pay attention to twittah.
Speaking of twittah…
So… the DNI declassed some intelligence that’s catching fire on twittah.
It describes that US Intel agencies had info that Hillary Clinton, in the summer of 2016, had authorized a PLAN as part of the campaign to link Trump to Russian activity re DNC hack, and this info was forwarded to Comey and Strzok…that Brennan debriefed the Obama/Biden Whitehouse.
o.O
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/09-29-20_Letter%20to%20Sen.%20Graham_Declassification%20of%20FBI's%20Crossfire%20Hurricane%20Investigations_20-00912_U_SIGNED-FINAL.pdf
Chairman Graham,
SEP 2 9 2020
In response to your request for Intelligence Community (IC) information related to the
Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) Crossfire Hurricane Investigation, I have declassified the
following:
As referenced in his 24 September 2020 letter to your Committee, Attorney General Barr
has advised that the disclosure of this information will not interfere with ongoing Department of
Justice investigations. Additional declassification and public disclosure of related intelligence
remains under consideration; however, the IC welcomes the opportunity to provide a classified
briefing with further detail at your convenience.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
whembly (c30c83) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:02 pmOk, whembly, I get that you are interested in Clinton, but I just worked my fanny off on this post and would sure appreciate at least a cursory comment about the subject at hand.
Dana (292df6) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:08 pmIt’s time for Presidential Debate Bingo!
You can play online, with your own unique, personally-generated bingo card … here.
As a reminder, a lot of people say there are tremendous, fabulous cash prizes for the winners(*). It’s incredible.
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Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:21 pmYou know who’d be the perfect moderator for this spectacle?
Howard Cosell.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:24 pmMore elder abuse. Biden supporters/Never Trumpers should be ashamed of themselves.
Joe Biden Proves How Lucid He Is: Without A Teleprompter, Script Or Interrupting Staffer
Horatio (aa83d3) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:26 pmHe wasn’t angry in the least. He was laughing his ass off.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:26 pmAgain, if Trump answers a Wallace question with a ‘word salad’ and Plagiarist JoeyBee responds with, ‘I’ll have the shrimp cocktail,’ — would you laugh— or shudder w/terror at yet another ‘where am I’ gaffe?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:26 pmTaking advantage of his supporters’ dim wits and gullibility again.
The Secret Service routinely blocks wireless communication (other than their own) anywhere near the president.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:30 pmNow that Jake Tapper has ceased being a journalist, he can purse his self-projected dream gig- of cartooning.
Can you imagine Sam Donaldson letting Jill Biden get with that ‘no, no, no, we’re done on that- we’re not going there’ crap on Joe’s perpetual gaffe status?
No.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:36 pmI think this is pretty accurate. The headline will be that Biden beat the expectations, with the other side saying the expectation was that he was brain damaged.
I’m not ashamed at all. Proudly voting Biden because Trump’s taxes prove he is totally incompetent at everything. The reason America has been losing is that it’s run by a loser. Putin was clever to wield Trump like a weapon against freedom. I’m voting sixty times at the local nursing home.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:39 pmYou’re a great American.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:41 pmThe Trump campaign has made a last-minute request that both camps allow a third-party inspection of the debaters’ ears tonight for any electronic devices or transmitters. While Trump has agreed to this, Biden has declined to any such ear check.
I would agree if they checked Trump’s shoes for any lifts.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:46 pm@12. What do you mean ‘was’??
Dustin– Plagiarist JoeyBee is brain damaged.
For God’s sake he has had multiple brain surgeries. You think they were drilling for oil or just rooting the hair plugs??!! Or maybe just installing a wireless remote.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:46 pmBiden will:
use an inappropriate reference to a minority;
lie about his background;
brag about something he didn’t do during the Obama administration; and
get really cranky and lose focus towards the end.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:46 pmHoi Polloi,
Now do Trump.
Dana (292df6) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:53 pm@12. ‘…totally incompetent at everything…’
Really? Where do you park your helicopters? How many beds in your hotel/casinos would you kick Melania, Ivana and Marla out of?
A loser? He beat all those GOP cocktail weenies. And Fire Plug Hillary. In Akron, Moon Township, PA, most of Texas, down at the Scranton Dairy Queen and even in a Wilmington Pizza Hut– that’s known as winning.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:58 pmI didn’t know that Biden was losing his temper and lashing out. That’s a symptom of Alzheimer’s (one that Trump also exhibits). If might be fun to ask them about what they did yesterday.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:01 pmThey’ll certainly be fact-checking Trump afterwards, but other than Hannity, who will fact-check Biden?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:04 pmOf course!!
Trump will:
proclaim he is the greatest president in US history;
take credit for the COVID relief bill (bonus: he will call it “beautiful);
blame the Deep State cabal for keeping him to make even more beautiful progress;
call the pre-COVID economic gains the greatest in history
talk about how great his SS deferral program is;
make fun of Biden straight to his face.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:05 pm@19. ‘Look, man, here’s the deal:’ Biden has a long history of having a short fuse.
Besides– he’s Irish. And Catholic.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:05 pmhttps://twitter.com/tylerpager/status/1300530456539127809?lang=en
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:06 pmSome pre-debate polls:
New Hampshire poll finds Biden up 8 points over Trump
Biden leads Trump by 9 points in must-win Pennsylvania, 2 major polls find
Meredith Poll Provides Snapshot of N.C. Voter Opinions as Election 2020 Approaches (Trump 45.7% Biden 45.4%)
New Democratic poll shows Biden up 4 in Nevada (47-43)
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:08 pm@23. Trump could list the rallies and presser he has done.
OTOH, Biden would have no answer– because he literally did nothing.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:08 pmHow the msm view’s tonight’s debate:
https://twitter.com/dannowicki/status/1311039188041494528?s=20
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:09 pm_
It would be amusing if Wallace asked Biden about the bankruptcy bill he championed and shepherded through Congress and how Trump took advantage of it- loopholes and all.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:10 pmDustin–
Convince me that the Democrat Party is fit to govern. What I see is a party pretending, for the moment, not to be hard left authoritarians. But once they get power, watch out!
Biden’s announced tax policies would lead to a rapid liquidation of all gains before the next tax year, cratering the market and the economy. Why you are letting the utterly cosmetic tax/business embarrassments of Donald Trump make you throw caution to the wind is beyond me.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:11 pmThe Babylon Bee
@TheBabylonBee
CNN Pre-Debate Poll Shows Biden Clearly Won Debate
Biden 98%
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:16 pmTrump 2%
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@24. Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump by 14 Points: Poll | Time
time.com/4546942/hillary-clinton-donald-trump…
Hillary Clinton has widened her lead over Donald Trump, polling 14 percentage points ahead nationally, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll, which comes 12 days before the presidential election.
Yes, and Dewey defeated Truman, too.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:16 pmBTW, at this point Trump has nothing to lose by releasing his taxes for the last 20 years.
1) He cannot do worse than having tidbits of the returns doled out by his enemies as they wish.
2) If the information they have is seriously wrong (e.g. they are using work product and not the final returns), then he gains by making them look like stupid liars.
3) Even if it is correct, he and his supporters can point to other things (one year $750, another year $200M) that provide context. As it is, only the people at the NY Times are providing context, and they have no reason to help Trump.
4) He doesn’t have to listen to the “why haven’t you released your returns?” crap a day longer.
And then he sues the NY Times for breach of privacy, with a billion-dollar damage claim, and demands they produce their source in discovery.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:18 pmAny chance Biden tries to smell Trump’s hair… and Trump lets him?
whembly (c30c83) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:19 pmMore pre-debate polling:
Cook Political Report-
Electoral College Rating Changes: Ohio and Iowa Move to Toss Up
New Survey Results From KFF/Cook Political Report Survey in AZ, Fl, and NC. AZ Moves to Lean Dem
………While Trump carried all three states in 2016, he is not leading in any of these states today. Trump and Biden are essentially tied in Florida (Trump 42%, Biden’s 43%) and NC (Trump 43%, Biden 45%). However, in Arizona, Biden has opened up a more substantial lead (Biden 45%, Trump 40%). A Biden win in Arizona would mean that he could afford to lose Michigan or Wisconsin (two of “Blue Wall” consortium) and still eke out an Electoral College win (assuming that he wins all the states Hillary Clinton carried in 2016). Biden could even afford to lose Pennsylvania and still win the Electoral College with a combination of Arizona and Nebraska’s 2nd CD.……
Fox News-Ohio Poll: Biden/Harris 50%, Trump/Pence 45%
NYT-If Race Comes Down to Omaha, Poll Shows Biden Has an Edge
In a close race, the presidential election could be decided by an unlikely spot: Nebraska’s Second Congressional District, including Omaha and most of its suburbs.
If the race is decided there, Joe Biden appears to have the advantage, according to a New York Times/Siena College poll Monday. He leads President Trump by seven points, 48 percent to 41 percent, among likely voters in the first nonpartisan survey of the district so far this year, according to FiveThirtyEight.…….
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:21 pmAll the NY Times has is a right to publish without prior restraint. They are NOT immune to damages.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:21 pmAny chance Biden tries to smell Trump’s hair… and Trump lets him?
It would funny if he gave it to him.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:21 pmNever forget- Joe Biden hasn’t lived in Scranton, Pennsylvania for 67 years.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:22 pm@30-
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:23 pmYawn. As I have said before, different candidates, different electorate, different time. You and Hoi seem stuck in 2016.
DCSCA-
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:24 pmWake me up when you have polling showing Trump ahead in 2020.
@35. Even funnier if he gave him Lindsey Graham’s cellphone number.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:24 pm@38. Sleep ’til Election night, Rip Van Murdock. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:26 pmBiden enthusiasts seem stuck in 2012, the last time Biden somewhat made sense.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:29 pmGood news from the Biden campaign; Joe agrees w/SCOTUS: Nixon must turn over the tapes.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:29 pmThis probably couldn’t happen in a million years, but imagine if Donald Trump came out relaxed, restrained, in good humor, and — dare we suggest it? — gracious. What if instead of various wisecracks and phony-baloney facts he just parried Joe Biden’s thrusts with retorts like, “We tried it your way for eight years, Joe; it didn’t go over well at all,” and “I know Joe wants to think of himself as a centrist, but I just don’t see him being able to hold back his party’s insurgents who appear to want to turn the entire country into Portland or Minneapolis.”
So I’m not going to watch, and I don’t really think I want to read much about the aftermath.
JVW (ee64e4) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:32 pmI’m convinced they aren’t. Look how they handle local, state, and national issues. Everything is for the headlines, nothing is for the results.
However, Trump’s gotta go. He’s crossed too many lines for me. His comments about the election, transition of power, that on its own is way more than enough. His conduct regarding Russia and the investigation of his activities, or his weird foreign policy decisions, that’s also enough.
Will Kamala be a good president? No. But Trump’s gotta go all the same. There will always be a leftward consequence, but let’s stop digging.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:33 pmBiden refuses drug test and check for ear pieces.
asset (61c0b6) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:34 pmAny time I say Alexa near him he does get confused.
Both these guys are past their mental prime, but Biden’s hundreds of millions more successful in real estate than Trump.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:34 pmIn the interest of avoiding the tiresome back-and-forth on polls, can we all agree that there is nothing wrong with a commenter here posting the results of whatever the latest polls report, just as there is nothing wrong with a commenter here dismissing those results based upon what happened four years ago? Let’s all keep in mind that we have tens of millions of voters who will be facing new ways of casting their vote and none of us for sure know what’s going to happen with that.
JVW (ee64e4) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:36 pmI don’t have as nice a car as my neighbors. I also don’t owe Ford any money.
You might think these possessions show Trump’s success, but they actually only show us Trump’s desperation to appear bigger than he is.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:37 pmIf Trump improved himself, he would win a landslide. It’s that bad these days.
But the reason such a thing would be profound is because it’s so out of character.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:38 pmBiden ran for the office in 1988 and 2008, both times he dropped out pretty quickly, never making it past Iowa. Now, aged and infirm, he’s the party’s hope? America’s hope?! It makes you want to weep.
The Democrat Party is really tired. And what is coming up behind the dying old guard is nowhere near the American mainstream. The only luck they’ve had was that the GOP got hijacked by a loud rich idiot. But some day Trump will be gone, and the GOP’s deep bench remains.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:38 pmDo you think there’s any limit to our ability to borrow money to spend?
The government ran a $3.3 trillion dollar deficit in the last FY. That was a factor of three higher than the huge $1.1T deficit in the “normal” year before. Is it reasonable to suppose that additional revenue will never be required to pay for that?
Even in the middle of “the best economy in history”, the deficit has grown every year since Trump took office. And the debt piles higher and higher.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:39 pmimagine if Donald Trump came out relaxed, restrained, in good humor, and — dare we suggest it? — gracious.
“Here, Joe, let me help you over to your podium.”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:40 pm“There you go again!”
“For all of you who think I lost a lot of money in past years, wait’ll you see what Covid did to my hotels!”
Trump gets third Nobel Peace Prize nomination.
“I’ll have the shrimp cocktail.” – Joe Biden 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:41 pmIt is truly amazing how a career public servant got so rich.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:42 pmDisney to lay off 28,000 workers [many part timers] at their theme parks. Cosiderin how much they charge to eet in, about time.No salary cuts to execs I the dark-suit uniforms.
Mousewitz: “the happiest place on Earth.”
Not.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:45 pmBiden enthusiasts seem stuck in 2012, the last time Biden somewhat made sense.
Not a Biden enthusiast, I’m not voting for either candidate.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:45 pm@47-
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:46 pmWell said.
@56. Mastering irrelevancy. It is the conservative thing to do these days. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:47 pmNot a Biden enthusiast, I’m not voting for either candidate.
The Biden enthusiasts are getting a head start on not owning their enthusiasm.
beer ‘n pretzels (134835) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:48 pm@43. JVW- do Trek.
Relaxed with Tribbles and Doomsday Machine this afternoon.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:52 pmDo you think there’s any limit to our ability to borrow money to spend?
We don’t have an income problem. We just always spend 10% more than what we take in. Spend less. EVERY TIME they raise taxes, the next words out of their mouths are “what can we sped it on?” When the economy is up, they start new ongoing programs with the excess, then need to fund them when revenues fall. Eff that.
There are a few departments that outta go, or be cut down to the Department of Other Stuff: Energy, Commerce, Labor, Education, Agriculture, HUD. Keep the needful bits and pieces (e.g. USPTO, Census, meat inspection). Maybe add a Department of Science to accumulate some of those scattered bits like NOAA, NSF, etc). Then cut back/consolidate the giant regulatory agencies of the 70’s.
There are other places, too. Military, farm supports, etc.
Not that we will. Biden’s folks have a long list of NEW spending: “free” college, cancelling student loans, boosting social security, Medicare for all. The list is endless.
When in reality we should be devolving power and tasks back to the states.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:55 pmThe mainstream is a moving target.
Republicans have won the popular vote in just one out of the last seven presidential elections.
The senate majority stacking the courts represents less than 45% of the population.
They have arguably become the party of minority rule. Trump’s only hope for re-election is to win despite getting millions of votes less than Biden.
A poll out yesterday found a record number (54%) think the government should do more to solve problems:
To be clear, I don’t think ANY of these trends are encouraging. They are deeply troubling.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 3:05 pmThis tells you exactly how much a hack like Ratcliffe has politicized his turf, and it’s detestable. Politico:
This kind of Putinesque propaganda is why Trump needs to lose and why Ratcliffe needs to go back to the rock that he crawled out of.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/29/2020 @ 3:20 pmActually we do.
Government in the US (at all levels) spends a considerably smaller fraction of our GDP than other large developed countries. But the revenue is off-the-scale low. I posted the numbers here. Executive summary:
Spending as % of GDP:
US: 35.1%
Australia: 36.7%
Japan: 37.1%
Canada: 40.7%
EU Average: 44.7%
And remember that a much bigger chunk of ours is military spending.
Government Revenue as % of GDP:
US: 29.5%
Japan: 33.9%
Australia: 35.8%
Canada: 40.3%
EU Average: 45.3%
Deficit as % of GDP:
US: -5.7%
Japan: -3.2%
Australia: -0.8%
EU Average: -0.6%
Canada: -0.4%
None of that will make a noticeable difference in the deficit.
Eliminating ALL non-defense discretionary spending would not come close to balancing the budget (pre-COVID).
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 3:20 pmLOL you missed the joke.
You’re also hundreds of millions more successful than Trump at real estate.
He loses more money than any of us will make, month after month. I have no doubt any commenter here would do better in business than this incredible loser.
I have no idea what Biden’s wealth is. You’re right they all get rich it seems. But Biden’s a much more open book than Trump. Most of the claims about him are from weird Russian nonsense on Facebook. If you want to read Biden’s tax returns you can. He released them. Trump’s the public servant hiding where his money comes from. Hundreds of millions Trump has to pay back, apparently with no income for half a generation.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 3:40 pmThe Steele Dossier was propaganda but Democrats and the MSM spent years telling us it was all truth.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 3:48 pmhttps://i.imgur.com/SFSZom1.png
https://twitter.com/dloehr/status/1311073156711559174
lol
Davethulhu (62e67d) — 9/29/2020 @ 3:56 pmQuite a bit of it was.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 4:10 pm@67
Biden should demand they test Trump for tachyons to see whether he violated the Temporal Prime Directive.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 4:15 pmNo it was hot garbage,
https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1310695210100367361
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 4:31 pmIt’s kind of amazing that Trump is simply unwilling to come out “relaxed, restrained, in good humor, and — dare we suggest it? — gracious,” even if it means helping him over the finish line to an election victory. He would see such behavior as weak and for losers. He’s going to go in for the kill because in his mind, that’s what strongmen do, and that’s who he is in his own eyes. Sad!
Dana (292df6) — 9/29/2020 @ 4:33 pmit’s fascinating how many connections flow through here,
https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 4:34 pmIf he does, then Biden would be the one demanding a drug test.
And DNA too.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 4:41 pmBiden demands??
Tapioca! Enough with the jello.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 4:45 pm@71. You mean like wristwatch looker GHWB?
That went well.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 4:47 pmThey said he wanted to cut back on the debate preparation this time because he was annoyed that his advisers got too much credit for his performance in 2016.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 4:47 pmRepublicans have won the popular vote in just one out of the last seven presidential elections.
The senate majority stacking the courts represents less than 45% of the population.
They have arguably become the party of minority rule. Trump’s only hope for re-election is to win despite getting millions of votes less than Biden.
Dave, fess up man. You’re a Democrat now.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 4:50 pmWhat I would really like to see is two obviously impaired old guys clearly unable to do the job. Because that’s what we really have.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 4:56 pmAmerica needs to see Joe Biden eat Scranton Scrapple.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 4:57 pm61. “Department of Other Stuff”
That used to be State, then Treasury, then Interior and after that it was kind of split.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:00 pmYou realize court documents and FOIA requests show that Steele’s primary “subsource” was a drunk Russian that the Obama administration deemed a spy?
And that none of the details that supposedly showed Trump in cahoots with the Russians – as well as the salacious pee tape – have been corroborated.
You realize that, right?
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:00 pmUPDATE BY PATTERICO: I’ll try to be active in the comments. Let’s keep it friendly! Biden did make this joke on Twitter:
Recovering Republican.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:01 pm@82. What makes you believe he was joking? 😉
“I’ll have the shrimp cocktail.”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:04 pmSome of Donald Trump’s debate prep:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-press-briefing-september-27-2020
This is really the case. These questions from reporters were deate prep. Donald Trump can;’t gear himself up unless it matters. He can’t do rehearsals.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/politics/trump-biden-debate-expectations.html
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:06 pmNot exactly news that Steele’s sources were Russians with backgrounds similar to his.
Carter Page met with one of the Russians the dossier claimed. Manafort was bought and paid for by Putin, exactly as described. The pee tape has not been corroborated.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:08 pmI think you mean one of his twenty-something interns. No way Biden knows what the earbuds are; probably thinks his protection detail left them there while stealing his ice cream.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:08 pmYou mean Carter Page, the CIA source?
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:09 pmTop 10 Best Scrapple in Scranton, PA
https://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=scrapple&find_loc=Scranton%2C+PA
Reviews on Scrapple in Scranton, PA – Viewmont Diner, Buck Town Diner, Marie’s Diner, Julie’s Cozy Cafe’, The Avenue, D’s Diner, Delish On Main…
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:09 pmEarpieces, like professional broadcasters have, would actually not make sense. He wouldn’t be able to listen both to the voice in his ear and what is going on on stage. Usually the broadcasters get told little messages not directly related to what’s happening and it does distract, slightly.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:09 pmHere’s another recent Biden tweet.
I’m not feeling optimistic about his chances.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:09 pmFolks: make sure the record player is on tonight…
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:10 pm@91. Biden ear-waxes?
Another gaffe.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:12 pm@91 and @93
Trump was afraid he might get a cue-tip from his handlers.
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:13 pmIt’s not Biden who does not know what earbuds are, because those are not earbuds, they are wired earpieces, and I had one for my pocket transistor radio, AM and FM, in 1971.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:13 pmBy varying degrees, the Steele reports were…
verified
debunked
not verified
not verifiable
Steele got right Manafort’s corruption, Carter Page’s trip to Moscow, and the hacking.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:18 pmYes, Carter Page who the Russians had identified, on tape, as a potential asset.
You do realize that “CIA sources” are among the most desirable targets for an adversary to recruit, and have been turned in the past, right?
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:20 pmOANN EXCLUSIVE BIDEN ADMITS CHILD ABUSE
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:22 pm-Clinton started the hoax, Trump will finish it.
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:23 pmBiden did make this joke on Twitter
You know as well as anyone there’s zero chance he came up with any part of that joke, or tweeted it out.
beer ‘n pretzels (134835) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:23 pmGood to see Biden mocking Trump’s idiocy. I hope he does it all night.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:24 pm‘…hopped up on sugary drinks?’
Diet Coke?
Sugary?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRZofakC2Nw
Yo’re gonna drink it just for the taste of it!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP30ph6jcHE
“Hello Joe, what do ya know?”
Nothing– about living.
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Have you noticed how ‘familiar’ if not comfortable Biden is w/drug usage terms?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:24 pmDeezy-eska is mocking the Biden parody account.
Glorious.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:26 pmHere’s what Trump might say about Biden being corrupt – because he said it Sunday:
Trump has got some of his facts all mixed up:
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:29 pmRecovering Republican.
Sooner or later it will be a recovering party.
Andy Jackson’s influence extended to his successor (VP Van Buren), but after that it was a different party. One of the reasons that the Whigs (#NeverJackson) folded up once there was not Jackson.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:30 pmI never said he was turned…
You suggested that being a CIA source was somehow relevant to the truth of the dossier.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:31 pm@101. As if it is second nature to Plagiarist JoeyBee… or “borrowed”:
“Hmm. Sometimes I can’t help admiring how effortlessly you do it, captain. Almost as if it came naturally.” – Commander Allison [Michael Kane] ‘The Bedford Incident’ 1965
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:31 pmThe owner of privat bank also headed burisma, when the former collapsed 6 billi9m dollars went with it. This is was shukin was investigating, as with his successor
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:32 pm@103. Parody–or plagiarized?
Glorious indeed.
‘Introducing Diet Coke…’ for low-cal snorting, eh JoeyBee? Ask Hunter…
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:34 pmIf Biden shows up, in command, and is able to hold his own in the face of Trump’s bombast and boorish behavior, Trump will lose in a landslide.
OTOH, if he’s unable to cope very well, he’ll have to rely on Trump being such a jerk it doesn’t matter.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:34 pmTrump on Sunday:
No, ex-prisoners. Who have served their sentence and everything.
Michael Bloomberg set aside $16 million to pay fines pr accumulated court costs of people in Florida who may be removed from the polling list because they haven’t paid court costs etc. Something Florida wasn’t interested in collecting until they figured it could limit the damage to the Republican Party from the felon voting referendum.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:37 pmDamn, those Diet Coke commercials are great.
So full of life– eh JoeyBee?!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:41 pmThey want the felons to vote so they can steel the last bit of our liberties,
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:42 pm106. The whigs actually won two elections, but didn’t benefit from them, because the president died and the vice president wasn’t really a Whig. And the second president they elected, Zachary Taylor, may have=ve been murdered, but not with arsenic. How crazy a notion! With germs.
He got cholera and somebody familiar with the latest medical thinking in England maybe did that on purpose.
One thing is certain: Zachary Taylor’s death made possible the Compromise of 1850. Which historians like to say postponed the Civil War but maybe it actually caused it.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:43 pmCSPAN coverage is great– no talking heads, no spin, just pan and zooms into the assembled audience and the introductions.
It’s the best way to watch this.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:44 pmJust reading those comments by Trump to the Putin Fake News, that Sammy quoted, gives me PTSD. Poor Parscale.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:45 pm1840: Harrison/Tyler (W) *
1844: Polk (D)
1848: Tyler/Fillmore (W) *
1852: Pierce (D) *
1856: Buchanan (D) *
* 6 of the bottom 10 presidents
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:47 pmPolk is rated somewhere around #10
1848: Taylor not Tyler
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:48 pm31. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 2:18 pm
He can lose $100 million because exact details would enable a Democratic Congress to draft legislation that would force him to return the $72 million in refunds, with interest, without affecting anybody else they care about.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:49 pmPast is prologue:
https://patterico.com/2012/10/12/biden-demotivational-poster/
https://patterico.com/2012/10/12/joe-biden-always-says-what-he-means/
https://patterico.com/2012/10/13/how-did-the-l-a-times-see-the-bidenryan-debate/
beer ‘n pretzels (134835) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:50 pmOnly ten states don’t allow felons who have completed their sentences to vote. The other forty plus DC do.
DeSantis is betting that there are fewer pro-Trump felons than there are pro-Biden felons, just like he’s betting that there are fewer pro-Trump old people who will die from Covid than there are pro-Biden old people who will die from Covid before the election.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:51 pmWhich network is less terrible?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:51 pmHere;s more from Trump on Sunday:
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:52 pmPBS.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:52 pmExcept there’s no evidence Shokin and Lutsenko were investigating Burisma.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:53 pmCSPAN is best.
It’s like being there.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 5:55 pmHe can lose $100 million because exact details would enable a Democratic Congress to draft legislation that would force him to return the $72 million in refunds, with interest, without affecting anybody else they care about.
Yes, they can. They could even pass a law doubling his tax back 20 years. At least as far as current precedent is concerned. I think it could be called a taking though. I also think it would be a huge slap in the face of the Rule of Law.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:02 pmCSPAN is best.
CSPAN doesn’t stream.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:02 pmMy. Tiffany and Ivanka are looking very slutty tonight.
The guys off the third shift at Firestone in an Akron bar- and all of Moon Township, PA, will be happy with that after a few boilermakers.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:02 pmI’m going with ABC for now. They’re at least talking about the issues.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:03 pmAnd we’re fixing to get ready to start.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:04 pmNo ‘booze’ in the hall?
O.M.G. The tri-tipped 1956 hankie.
It’s over.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:06 pmCSPAN doesn’t stream.
If you have a cable subscription you can watch it online or on the app.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:07 pmDon’t look down Joe.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:07 pmBiden’s hair has been enhanced. Fluffed.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:07 pmBad tie for television, Joe.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:09 pmBiden not opposed to Amy.
Gaffe 1.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:09 pmCSPAN doesn’t stream.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:02 pm
I don’t have cable, and I am streaming c-span right now.
felipe (023cc9) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:11 pm“I am the Democratic party now.”
O.M.G.
No miracle is coming.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:12 pmThis is a complete shitshow
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:12 pm“Of the 200,000 people who died…many survived”
Smooth move, Joe.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:13 pmBiden’s hair has been enhanced.
A long time ago.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:14 pmWallace is nervous– his voice is quivering.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:14 pmChris Wallace has lost control.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:15 pm@142- like an hour. It’s been fluffed up.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:15 pmBiden’s hair has been enhanced. Fluffed.
That’s fluféed.
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:15 pm@144. He’s trying to run it like his Sunday show
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:16 pmTrump is incoherent on health care.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:16 pm@148. No, he’s making sense–it’s Biden who just chuckles.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:17 pmHere’s the deal 3 times…
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:17 pm5 times- Here’s the deal…
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:17 pmFolk- clown???
MODERATOR!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:18 pmThis is hilarious.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:18 pm15 minutes in and Biden has called Trump a liar and a clown.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:18 pmBiden is going to walk out.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:19 pmWhere’s the moderator?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:19 pm@155. Somu for going behind the gym and beating the crap out of him 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:20 pm“I wont take a position.” Joe Biden.
“Will you shut up, man?”
Stay classy, Scranton Boy.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:21 pmThis is a complete mess. Wallace needs to assert a little more control.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:22 pmBoy, Biden is sure out of it.
*gigglesnort*
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:22 pmWallace has lost control of this.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:22 pm@160. Most incoherent people are.
No answers, just catchphrases. He hasn’t answered anything.
And yes he’ll have the shrimp cocktail.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:24 pmBidn won’t even look at him. Somebody is talking it his ear.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:26 pmO.M.G. The ‘bring out your dead’ line, Joe???
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:27 pmJoe needs some tapioca
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:29 pmEvery time Biden looks down he has the casket repose look.
Inject bleach, Joe? Howzabout Rogaine?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:30 pmFirst time he was asked to take a stand, Slow Joe declined.
What a wimp.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:30 pm@165. LOL
A plagiarist lecturing America on lies.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:31 pm“there the people by the way”
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:31 pmjoe biden
LOL. “Don’t you use the word ‘smart’ with me”
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:31 pm@167. You noticed that…
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:32 pmHe won’t commit to anything.
Shush??? My grandmother used that term.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:33 pmThe loser tonight is Chris Wallace.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:34 pmBiden has that politician smile. The kind that makes paint peel.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:34 pmwhere with all given is how to open a business
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:35 pmjoe biden
malarkey
Nobody shows up to Joe’s events.
Trump’s right.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:36 pmDebating the virus is like arguing over thunderstorms.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:36 pmI don’t think any moderator can handle Trump.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:37 pm3 people joe/ 6 circles/2020
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:37 pmAdjusting your wiring there, Joe?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:39 pmhair plugs are not enough for ear plugs joe
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:40 pmRemember: Joe Biden has not lived in Scranaton, PA for 67 years.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:41 pmBiden is doing the Hillary Chortle.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:42 pmWhere are the questions to Biden about plagiarism, Chris?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:43 pmOo, The tax question is a bad one for Trump, flushed and sweaty on that one. A lot of angry going on.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:44 pmTrump says he paid millions of dollars in 2016. That is a lie.
Patterico (115b1f) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:44 pmNo Joe.
Richard Nixon is the worst president America has ever had.
Have the shrimp cocktail.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:46 pmThe NYT can prove it too.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:47 pm@186. ROFLMAO Hold up your hat and it’ll fill w/lies in about 3 seconds.
The big loser tonight is Wallace. He has lost complete control of this.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:48 pmActually it isnt, if you had read alexia browns thread you would know that the lie
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:48 pmBiden’s hair transplant was successful, Trump’s was not. Emblematic.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:48 pmTrump spends $70,000 for his hairdo, Dr. Jill could probably clip Biden’s hair and it would look okay. Emblematic.
Biden was asked to bring the economy back?????
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:48 pmWell, Trump has a simple way to see what he paid in taxes when. Why do you think he’s not doing that?
Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:50 pmChina ate your lunch, Joe.
Point Trump.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:50 pm“I’m a disrespectful, lying, solipsistic a-holes, so vote for me” is I’m sure a persuasive argument to people who think that’s exactly what they want in a president. I’m not sure how well it goes over with people who think honesty and decency matter.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:50 pmIf Wallace had any balls he get up and leave these wo idiots alone for 5 minutes.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:51 pmLOL. Biden now taking credit for Obama. Great way to ingratiate yourself to the left that already hates you, Joe.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:51 pmbiden has someone in his ear
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:52 pm47 years in the Senate. A mind of mush.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:52 pmChris Wallace isn’t doing a great job as a moderator. Next time they should turn off the microphone of the person who isn’t talking.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:53 pm@198. Likely, you can ‘see’ that through the eyes and facial expressions. He was adjusting something earlier, too.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:54 pm@40-
Rip Murdock (631d7a) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:54 pmSleep ’til Election night, Rip Van Murdock.
Cheers!
@200. Wallace should just get up and leave for five minutes.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:55 pmBiden talking about bunkers isn’t smart
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:55 pmBlack pandering Joe??
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:56 pmHey slow Joe, you had better watch blaming all COVID deaths on Trump. Because if you inherit the White House, every COVID death is yours.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:56 pmThe Ghost of Corn Pop has risen!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:57 pmTrump earns points for pointing out Biden isn’t committing to anything.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:58 pm@203 He’s almost already not there.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:59 pmBiden- “I’ll form a committee.”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:59 pm@209. True. He lost control in the first five minutes.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:00 pm“ Trump says he paid millions of dollars in 2016. That is a lie.”
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“But those raising their hands had better review the article very closely, as the Times reported that in addition to the $750 paid each year, the president paid the U.S. Treasury an additional $1 million in 2016, and $4.2 million in 2017.”
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/28/trump-tax-return-story-includes-its-own-fact-check-he-paid-to-us-treasury-1-mil-in-2016-and-4-2-mil-in-2017-978256
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:01 pmTrump is no racist, joe.
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:02 pmLOL. Biden says Irish Catholics are treated poorly.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:03 pmEARTH TO JOE- you DID NOT ‘grow up’ in Scranton. PA. You left Scranton 67 years ago!
My grandmother grew up in Scranton.
No winners tonight.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:03 pmObfuscation.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:04 pmWallace comparing Tulsa to Portland?
You earned your money from the DNC.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:04 pmTonight in a nutshell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMsaVWaPenM
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:04 pmtulsa and ft. worth are the new chicago and L.A.
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:04 pmYour full of schiff wallace
Black, white, Hispanic in the same car going to soccer practice?
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:05 pmBiden is Mr. Suburbia???
What is he talking about?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:05 pmBiden’s answer to police defunding? Word salad.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:06 pmDoug Stafford
@dougstafford
Did Biden just call Chris Wallace “Jake” ?
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Stephen L. Miller
@redsteeze
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Yes.
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Dogs love me
@digisharon
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Jake’s the only guy in media that Joe talks to.
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Birthday Party Stan Account
@bdayparty2020
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Thinks Wallace is his State Farm agent
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Conor Friedersdorf
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:06 pm@conor64
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Chris Wallace is doing as well as any Boomer mediating between two septuagenarian Fox and MSNBC viewers could.
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218 – Classic, DCSCA
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:06 pmAccording to my reliable sources who are watching the thing, Biden is winning yugely while Trump is acting like a little kid.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:06 pmWell, Biden’s clearly as mentally capable as Trump. Low bar but he’s clearing it so far. Can definitely tell where he’s hitting canned answers.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:07 pmI just want this insolent jackass gone.
(I am talking about Trump, Trump fans.)
Patterico (115b1f) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:07 pmBiden pulls a name out of the air….
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:08 pmbiden has a nurse in wallace
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:09 pmGood question from Chris about what Joe has done as the leader of the Dem party.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:10 pmOooh Biden got the name of trump staffer who trashed Trump wrong.
EARTH TO JOE- you DID NOT ‘grow up’ in Scranton. PA. You left Scranton 67 years ago!
Well, so he left when he was about 26 then?
JVW (ee64e4) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:10 pm@212-From the NYT-
My emphasis.
Rip Murdock (631d7a) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:10 pm@225. Natalie Wood never looked better- even in banana cream.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:10 pm@232. 10.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:11 pmSorry, @213.
Rip Murdock (631d7a) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:11 pmimpeach him with pelosi and the commies
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:11 pmHa!
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:12 pmBiden has that ‘Exasperated Hillary’ look now.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:12 pmTrump again won’t say a thing about right wing Militia. He can’t do it. 😂
Is he afraid of losing their support? Or is it just psychological on his part.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:13 pmThis is a complete show.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:13 pm@225 They are operating two different strategies. Trump is being very very Trumpy on the idea that he needs to club Biden to death, but he’s not being terribly effective at it. Biden is focused on talking families at home and is being more effective at that.
If you aren’t already a Trump supporter, this isn’t going to convince you of anything new. If you are a person who was wavering based on the idea that Biden was losing it, it may tip you over to Biden.
Trump physically looks meaner, angrier, less in control.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:13 pm(sorry, @226)
Nic (896fdf) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:13 pmTo be fair, Biden won’t say a thing about Antifa, either.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:13 pmAre you weaker, sicker, poorer now than you were four years ago?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:13 pmI think trumps bragging of judges is more likely to add Dem voters
Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:14 pmPie fight nearly over- Wallace asserts self.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:14 pmBiden lied about violence. FBI just released their stats; violent crime is going down, not up.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:15 pmBeau again???
That’s it.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:15 pmMy son. My son. My son.
Druggie.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:16 pmBiden was explicit about condemning left wing violence.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:16 pmI’d like you to talk about PLAGIARISM, Chris.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:17 pmOh man, there is going to be a lot of whining tomorrow because Chris Wallace isn’t putting up with Trump’s bullshit.
Patterico (115b1f) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:17 pmRake those forest floors! Too bad many of the fires are on federal land.
Rip Murdock (631d7a) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:19 pm“Proud Boys – stand back and stand by.”
Davethulhu (62e67d) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:19 pm@241. See #219.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:19 pmTrump’s mking a mitake talking so much– he should let Biden go-a-gaffing.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:20 pmBiden’s flipping on fracking again?!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:21 pmThank you, Rip at 223. So the lying orange mother-figure made estimated payments (like withholding for normal people) and then got a yuge refund in April. That’s not paying millions.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:21 pmWhat trump knows about cars is less then he knows about forest management
Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:21 pmJoe Scarborough
@JoeNBC
Hey @JoeBiden, don’t put up with this bullsh*t,. Walk off the stage.
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Stephen L. Miller
@redsteeze
Definitely take advice from the guy who turned his show over to Trump for 6 months.
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:22 pm__ _
Biden’s answer is better about cars, but bad
Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:22 pm“stop tearing down the forest”
not the same as “tear down that wall”
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:23 pmBiden is starting to stutter.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:24 pmI like how Biden insinuating a trade war – at the minimum – with Brazil over logging.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:24 pmBTW, even with all the Steele dossier references from *some people* seemingly on every thread, I just this minute got the joke in Biden’s “urine” remark. Heh! Yes, Trump likes urine.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:24 pmMillions of good paying jobs to weatherize?
Sign me up – I’d love to make a lot of money putting down caulk!
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:25 pmI just want this insolent jackass gone.
(I am talking about Trump, Trump fans.)
Be careful what you wish for, you may receive it. — W. W. Jacobs
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:25 pmJesus Trump looks terrible.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:25 pm“He don’t know how to do that.”
Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:25 pm😂
Trump is over the top- he may as well ask joe about the new grandkid.
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:26 pmGreen New Deal is not my plan.
Poor Joe…last to get the memo.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:26 pmThe Green New Deal is ‘his plan.’ He’s backed it.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:26 pmCuz Biden has a stutter. Doesn’t make him dumb or senile. Means he has a stutter.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:27 pmJoe Biden just screwed it over the Green New Deal. Nice gaffe, Slow Joe. I guess we now know you do agree with the Green New Deal and just promised it would pay for itself.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:27 pmThis probably means Biden did well. That’s hard to believe but that’s how I read DCSCA saying they are even. Not bad for someone you said was brain damaged.
I agree that’s dumb, but Trump has blamed Biden for the administration’s actions 50000 times so it’s fair. Dumb but fair is the best deal we’re going to get from a debate stage.
I only watched about ten minutes of them babbling at eachother. when Trump started bashing Biden’s son I realized this was unworthy of my eyes.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:27 pmNot gonna talk about Flynn.
Sometimes trust content from Patterico!
Patterico (115b1f) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:27 pmThe look on trumps face when Biden laughed at him.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:27 pmPolls don’t stay open until the votes are counted, Biden. You are an idiot.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:28 pmHard to say how others perceive it. I recognize I’m biased. It just makes me despise Trump more. But I am not his target audience.
Biden didn’t fall over and repeatedly stumble.
Patterico (115b1f) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:29 pmAny government droid who tells you a government project will pay for itself is the biggest liar of them all.
Exhibit A- The Space Shuttle.
I’d give Trump the win tonight just because Biden said that.
He’s an idiot.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:29 pmNot going to talk about Sullivan as well.
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:30 pm@276. No.
It doesn’t.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:30 pmwhoops.
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:30 pmDCSA – correct. Biden had it won until he backed the Green New Deal. Then pledged that it would pay for itself.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:30 pmTRUMP brought up General Flynn!!
FLYNNDICATION FOR PATTERICO
I know Wallace didn’t bring it up but details
Patterico (115b1f) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:31 pmeverybody laughs at poor mr. president donald trump because they just don’t love him enough
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:31 pmI’m honest enough to admit when I’m wrong. I didn’t think Biden could stand on his feet for this long. I’m also impressed with the sheer quantity of lying. I’m impressed.
frosty (f27e97) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:31 pm@277. Trump mentioned him.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:31 pmThis last rant of Trump’s is a disaster.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:32 pm@288. Geritol.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:32 pmIs it over?
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:32 pmBiden didn’t fall over and repeatedly stumble.
New slogan: Joe Biden, He’s No Gerald Ford
🙂
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:32 pmThe look on Biden’s face when Trump said he’s counting on the Supreme Court to look at the ballots.
Has to end up as a meme.
Patterico (115b1f) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:33 pmStrong close by Joe on voting.
Doesn’t look senile to me DCSCA
Trumps going off with grievance and conspiracy theories. Think his fans will like it. Don’t know how much that helps him get more voters.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:33 pmNobody is listening, Dave; you watch pie fights.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:34 pmI never doubted for a moment…
🙂
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:34 pm@286, that was a crouton on a word salad. Doesn’t count
Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:34 pmHere’s the deal- what’s that, ten times tonight??
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:35 pmBut I still love your
Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:35 pmI did notice how out of shape Trump was compared to Biden. Biden looks normal, but Trump is hunched, awkward, and very obese. That drape of a suit just isn’t doing its job.
I don’t care too much. I think responding to Biden praising his son’s military service by freaking out about Biden’s addict son was sure to get a lot of idiots smiling and laughing. Same guys who nodded when Trump said to ‘stand by’ when asked to denounce racists. I bet they are fat.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:35 pm“ Be careful what you wish for, you may receive it. — W. W. Jacobs”
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That’s the funniest thing about the Never Trumpers, they really think Biden/Harris (OK, Harris/Biden) will be some sort of upgrade.
Next funniest is thinking Joe wrote the ear buds & ice cream tweet.
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:35 pm_
No questions on plagiarism.
Wallace is the loser tonight.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:35 pmGod help us survive two more of these debates.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:36 pmBiden didn’t fall over and repeatedly stumble.
the spin will be that Biden won because he did better than a mannequin.
beer ‘n pretzels (f775df) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:37 pmbeer ‘n pretzels (21c0fe) — 9/29/2020 @ 1:02 pm
True, DCSCA. Anyone who thinks Joe Biden says things because they are true, and not because of political power, is a fool. Nevertheless, Trump’s gotta go.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:37 pmHere’s the deal again. And again! It’s America’s new drinking game.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:38 pmDid trump just trash the capital of a swing state?
Wonder how much this conspiracy theory stuff helps him.
Biden sounds very sane and composed by comparison
Time123 (9f42ee) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:38 pm“ I did notice how out of shape Trump was compared to Biden. Biden looks normal, but Trump is hunched, awkward, and very obese. That drape of a suit just isn’t doing its job.“
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Going on the road all over the country to make your case to the people instead of hiding and calling press lids can take its toll.
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:39 pm_
ear plugs biden
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:39 pmBiden won the close and looked much better through-out. This one goes to Biden.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:39 pmTrump could not bring himself to say he will discourage his supporters from taking to the streets.
I said it before and I will say it again: there are two ways to transfer power. Voting or force.
Patterico (115b1f) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:39 pmSo my takeaway from Biden’s economic plan:
1. Hire people to caulk (Cash For Caulkers 2.0)
2. Enact the Green New Deal
What can go wrong?
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:39 pm“A hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside a train wreck.”
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:40 pm– Jake Tapper
Dana Bash on CNN: “That was a sh*t show.”
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:41 pmWallace finally shows some balls and calls it ‘a debate’ at the end.
Absolutely the worst event experienced on television since the Kennedy assassination.
Or Geraldo opening Capone’s vault.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:41 pmUnfortunately, Wallace didn’t ask Biden to discourage his supporters, either.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:41 pmPoor Trump and his hardcore work ethic, lol.
If he had a nickel for every dollar he lost he would be rich.
You’re right, Biden’s not really working that hard. No sarcasm, I am not impressed by Biden in any respect.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:42 pmFox also seems to think Biden won, in a kind of dumbfounded way.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:42 pm@314. Tapper has no credibility.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:42 pmI would put it third after watching 9/11 and the space shuttle disaster.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:42 pm
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:43 pmStephen L. Miller
@redsteeze
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Wallace is grilling Trump on his supporters taking to the streets when antifa is burning businesses down.
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Bill Kristol summed it up eloquently:
“One could easily dismiss tonight’s debate as attacks and crosstalk that won’t change many minds. But that would be to miss the meaning of what we’re seeing: a horrifying degradation of our politics by a man unworthy of the lowest elected office in the U.S., let alone the highest.”
lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:45 pm@319. Nobody won that. You expect Fox to say their star anchor was the big loser?
Wallace lost complete control of that.
I’m embarrassed for America.
… and Putin smiled.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:45 pmWallace lost control early. I like him, but this debate was a failure.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:45 pmGoing on the road all over the country to make your case to the people instead of hiding and calling press lids can take its toll.
Do you really believe that Trump’s rallies of adoring worshipers is “making your case to the people?” In Spanish, it’s called looking for a little mami cariño.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:45 pmBill Kristol is irrelevant.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:46 pmKelly Jane Torrance
@KJTorrance
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Joe Biden said the green new deal will pay for itself. But then he said he doesn’t support it.
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You have to elect it to find out what’s in it!
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:46 pm_
Trump could not bring himself to say he will discourage his supporters from taking to the streets.
Oh man, not more QAnon violence.
beer ‘n pretzels (f775df) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:47 pmHe certainly did, and Biden gave a one-word answer: “Yes.”
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:47 pm“Do you really believe that Trump’s rallies of adoring worshipers is “making your case to the people?”
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That’s the same thing Hillary said when her advisors told her she should visit Wisconsin.
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:47 pm_
Wallace lost control, but I blame Trump for that.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:48 pmThose hawaiianshirted folk how much did thousand currents pay chris wallace.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:48 pmHis voice was quivering.
He should have gotten up and left the two of them for five minutes.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:48 pm@324 Fox kinda did. Not explicitly, but they seem amazed and don’t really know what to say about how bad Trump was and on top of that they generally said that Biden did OK.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:49 pmBidens side actually bailed out the rioter, heck theyd deputize them as part of the new national police.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:50 pmIn the future, misanthropes like me will look back on these days as our Golden Age.
JVW (ee64e4) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:51 pm@321. Was trying to keep it in the ‘political family’ but I’ll give you STS-25 and 9/11 on a broader list.
Tonight was horrible.
And I blame Chris Wallace completely for it. His job was to moderate: at that he was a miserable failure.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:51 pmYou get my vote for Most Forwardable Comments, Mr. Nic. I forwarded two of them.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:51 pmI agree. He probably needs to practice how to breath to overcome that. I used to have that problem when afraid, but it’s very learnable how to overcome it.
Maybe instead of journalists, get a retiree who was a drill sergeant to moderate. Or turn their mikes off, like they are little children. Give them buzzers and mix in quiz questions about American history.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:53 pm@330: and Biden gave a one-word answer: “Yes.”
Candy Crowley would’ve been all over that lie.
beer ‘n pretzels (f775df) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:54 pmWallace lost control, but I blame Trump for that.
I am of the opinion that two old men looking to be President of the United States should not need a moderator to control them. It’s not Wallace’s failure, it’s Trump’s failure.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:54 pm@295. He looks and sounds very senile– and dead when he looks down- the in the coffin look. Hell he was dressed to be buried tonight.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:55 pmIf Biden condemned them, he condemned them. It’s not a lie. Of course those few Antifa who manage to vote will all vote for Biden, but nevertheless, Biden rejects them. Trump was not man enough to stand up to the thugs on his side (and yeah, there are such people).
Trump is never brave when there’s anything at stake for him. And apparently he is a brave destroyed of many donuts and much fried chicken. He looked horrible on the debate stage. He didn’t look this bad next to Hillary, but Biden in a well cut suit? He looked like a loser.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:57 pm@342.The format and forum dictated a moderator. t was Wallace’s failure. Hell, his voice was literally quivering throughout it. He was out o his league tonight. Jim Lehrer would have managed it much better.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:58 pmOK, I have not read all the comments but I have a serious question for the Trump fans:
Do you think Trump came off looking good tonight?
Patterico (115b1f) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:59 pm@339 😛 Thank you, I’m glad to be of service.
@342 Both, I think. The moderator does have the responsibility to control things, but the idea that Trump would be controlled started off as flawed. He doesn’t know how to act right.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:01 pmBiden wasn’t great. You could tell that he was trying to deal with the firehose of bullsh*t that Trump was delivering.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:01 pmBUT, the person delivering the firehose of bulls*t should lose this debate. Trump was a complete a$$hole.
It’s not a lie. Of course those few Antifa who manage to vote will all vote for Biden, but nevertheless, Biden rejects them.
His staffers bailed out rioters and looters. He could’ve stopped that, or denounced it. He didn’t, and he won’t. It’s a lie.
beer ‘n pretzels (f775df) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:01 pm327. I never said he’s relevant, just that he’s right.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:01 pmDustin at 344. I remember one debate with Hillary(?) where he had corseted himself so tightly that he could not breathe.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:01 pmMaybe that’s the difference. I bet he takes a write-off on both the girdle and the donut holes.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:06 pm@346. Nobody did. And that is wholly the fault of Chris Wallace, who complelely failed to do his job as a moderator.
But it was ‘great’ television– just like the Kennedy assassination, the Challenger and 9/11 coverage.
And, always, Geraldo’s opening of Capone’s vault.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:06 pmDo you think Trump came off looking good tonight?
Trump didn’t kill anyone there with fish tank cleaner and didn’t burn a cross on stage, so he exceeded expectations. He wins.
beer ‘n pretzels (f775df) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:08 pmJohn gill was more lively than most.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:09 pmYou make a great point up to the point you call this a lie.
It’s not a lie to condemn violence just because your staffers have the right to bail out violent people. I disagree with this ‘no cash bail’ idea, but it’s an idea out there on the left. It doesn’t necessarily mean support for rioting, though you’re right to be totally skeptical.
Regardless, by your standards, Trump supports beating up Brad Parscale’s wife, since his staffer did that.
This guilt by association thing seems cheap.
Biden didn’t hesitate to say he didn’t stand with the bad guys. Trump was a coward and had to tell the bad guys to stand by. Many of Trump’s comments have hurt our nation’s character, and that will always be high on the list. It might be the only thing anyone remembers about this debates in 20 years when they are discussing all the horrible consequences of this year.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:09 pmWhat if I told you guys that Jimmy Swaggart still has a TV show on a channel called SONL, which (I had to look it up) stands for Son of Life. At least I think this is current, unless they’re showing high def reruns from ten years ago.
Anyway, I’m just wondering if maybe he would be interested in running for President.
JVW (ee64e4) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:10 pmSadly I agree. Trump is paid to be a bully and a nutcase. When his masters were mentioned, Putin and white supremacists, Trump had nothing bad to say and was a mild puppy, but when his own senior administration were quoted many times, Trump was basically throwing parts of his podium at the moderator.
If you sign up to moderate this guy, you need to be up to the task. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with not being up to it. Wallace should have walked up, taken Trump’s mike, and told biden to continue for five minutes, then given the mike back if Trump promises to act like an adult.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:13 pmActually, the far left generally has no more use for Biden than they do for Trump. Listen to Pacifica radio (if there isn’t a local station near you, I assume it can be streamed online.) It’s 24/7 anti-Obama/Biden diatribe. The other day I heard someone ranting that even Bernie is a GOP-lite corporate sellout!
It’s hilarious. And by the way, it used to be that way with the extreme right. They were no friends of the Bushes, McCain or Romney. It’s one of the many odious things that distinguishes Trump. He’s the first president in my lifetime to win the devoted, heartfelt support of the violent fringe of his party.
To wit, here’s what the Proud Boys posted on Telegram after the debate.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:13 pmThe NYT shows the math on Trump’s $750
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:14 pmThe Partyman
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:15 pm@PartymanRandy
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Pretty spectacular to see people on cable news acting all high and mighty about the discourse when the debate was pretty much just a normal night on cable news.
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If I had to pick a one highlight- it was pre-debate TeeVee images of Ivanka and Tiffany and their vamped up call-girl look. A little early for Halloween, though.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:17 pmAbout the size of it, its 3-1 against on cnn or msnbc
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:18 pm“ And by the way, it used to be that way with the extreme right. They were no friends of the Bushes, McCain or Romney. It’s one of the many odious things that distinguishes Trump. He’s the first president in my lifetime to win the devoted, heartfelt support of the violent fringe of his party.”
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It’s the extreme (but more mainstream every day) Left that’s rioting, looting, burning down buildings and attacking cops.
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:19 pm_
346- No. Trump was over the top. He had plenty of time to come across reasonable, but failed. He made some good points, but his obnoxiousness will be remembered.
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:20 pmI agree, at least for the most part. Nevertheless, someone showed up when Trump demanded his nuts LIBERATE this and that place. There are some real crazies in that bunch if you talk to them. some of them are misguided and paranoid. Some of them are genuinely what the left says they are. Trump has their support, Biden has the half-hearted support of all Trump haters, but the fringe left doesn’t really like Biden.
The real issue is our primaries don’t have runoffs, and the internet has helped the crazies find validation and spread crazy, so their block is now the largest. it’s a minority, and the sanes would stomp them in a runoff, but right now, they are winning a lot.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:22 pmA.C. Spollen
@ACSpollen
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Can someone point me to Republicans rioting or causing drama on election night? Ever?
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A.C. Spollen
@ACSpollen
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Remember that time Republicans took to the streets when Romney lost? Me neither.
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John
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:22 pm@JMGrandy
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Well we might have except we had to go to work the next day.
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Really, how ‘have you stopped beating your wife’ is he supposed to endure.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:23 pmDCSA – Have you watched “The Gazebo”?
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:23 pmaka the gazbo
“ the fringe left doesn’t really like Biden.”
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Anybody who pays attention to what they say in social media knows this.
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They aren’t voting for Biden to put him in charge, they’re voting for him so they can take over the Executive Branch.
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:26 pm__ _
We have seen the democratic base burn dowm cities murder cops for six monthes. And biden encourages it through deed as well as word.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:26 pmLOL. The internet is a haven for those who have absurd points of view, but find someone who agrees with them, and believe that proves they are reasonable. This has really screwed things up.
It is the greatest ally hateful paranoia has ever had.
I don’t think we should pull the plug, but we should recognize that the block of zealous crazy is much larger than our founders thought it could be. Primary run off elections should really help quality control our candidates, and would save a lot of money in coffins alone.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:26 pmI have to say, no, really, I have to say it, this site has been rocking for the last few days. Great posts, great threads.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:29 pmNo more debates when the moderators let obama get away with everything
https://mobile.twitter.com/danielggarza/status/1311139548706074626
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:29 pmDJT crushed JB on issues. Wiped him out. But, Joe won the war.
Joe had the most to gain, and he really came through. He kept punching for 90 minutes and there were no obvious “moments,” largely thanks to DJT’s idiocy of interrupting just as Joe was struggling on several occasions.
DJT was a bully and he picked on his opponent’s family (never mind he was dead right about the corruption of Hunter). That is what the alleged undecided squishes saw.
Chris Wallace also bailed out Biden on a couple of crucial occasions. Wallace’s predicate to his questions were overwhelmingly from a leftist bent, too. He absolutely argued directly with Trump and did not do that with Biden. It was 2 on 1, as DJT complained. But, again, DJT was a bully and he will not get the benefit of the rigged scale Wallace employed.
Ed from SFV (f64387) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:31 pmIve been 8 maybe even 12 years for a response. No quarter given, because he trying to destroy this country, and there is nowhere to go after this.biden would kruschevs prophecy come true.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:36 pmPatterico (115b1f) — 9/29/2020 @ 7:59 pm
No. He never looks good. He never sounds good. As a human being, he is simply not good.
Those who look and sound good got us 20 trillion in debt and, through action or inaction, destroyed the social fabric of this country before we even had the chance to consider pulling a lever for the ugly man.
Matador (0284e8) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:39 pmit is when people say “the corruption of Hunter” that i miss mr. happyfeet the most
his depictions of mrs. ivanka trump kushner as a nude pole dancer were enthralling
most enthralling
and she is not even running for anything
her daddy, mr. president donald trump, the one who fired mrs. sarah huckabee sanders because he caught mr. kim jong un looking at her, is
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:40 pmThe look on Biden’s face when Trump said he’s counting on the Supreme Court to look at the ballots.
Nobody will tell him what the court will say (assuming that there is no wholesale public cheating like Chicago 1960).
1. “Nice doggie.”
2. “9-0, GFY”
Can you really imagine Roberts, Alito or even Thomas wanting to be seen as enabling this fukwit? Thomas probably sent his entire time at Yale trying to avoid jerks like Trump; entitled, witless and arrogant. Maybe he’ll have Kavanaugh’s vote.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:41 pmAlito and thomas know whats at stake, the latter has the stitches from what biden enabled, gorsuch forgets where he came from, and kavanaugh what a dissapointment.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:44 pmOoh, Biden’s Kellyanne callout was accurate.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:44 pmEditor of Cook Political Report:
lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:45 pmHmm
https://mobile.twitter.com/Barnes_Law/status/1311143133493653504?s=20
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:45 pmFair, matador. So called fiscal conservatives spent a lot of money, knowing they could get away with leaving us with a crisis down the road. They deceived us and it’s understandable that Trump was able to get them to reject politics as usual. They let this guy who said he paid so much more than us in taxes and was a great businessman selling books on how to make money, cut the fat, balance the budget. That was Trump’s boldest con. I’m not surprised biden didn’t hold this one up as I doubt Biden wants to make any promises on the issue.
Trump’s gotta go, but fiscal conservatives should trust no one.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:46 pmI don’t blame people for crediting Chicago with electing JFK in 1960, when discussing his ancestry the mule always mentions the horse, but it was LBJ delivering Texas that deserves most of the credit I think.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:46 pmBTW, I left the debate (judging by the timestamps) 19 minutes in.
Donald Trump is unfit to govern. My problem is that the Democrat Party, as seen by the Congress, is so off the rails it is ALSO unfit to govern.
Ideally, they would all lose. Failing that, the GOP holds the Senate just barely. Failing that a 6-3 court keeps Congress from obliterating the republic until the GOP can recover from this ridiculous fukwit in a human-suit.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:47 pmAlito and thomas know whats at stake
There are larger threats. Trump is a clear and present danger all by himself.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:48 pmAlito and thomas know whats at stake, the latter has the stitches from what biden enabled, gorsuch forgets where he came from, and kavanaugh what a dissapointment.
Do you really think the Supreme Court is going to go to the wall to prevent a transfer of power? To help TRUMP?!?!!?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:50 pmTrump was wishcasting for Biden to be awful, but Biden was just … meh whatever. Way better than the expectation of a brain damaged senile idiot. Biden was worse than W in debates by a longshot. I’d say he was worse than John Kerry, better than Al Gore.
With Trump’s taxes out there, he’s just a loser. He was wise to keep those tax returns a secret.
The debate probably won’t make a difference. I am actually concerned Trump is going to cheat though.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:51 pmnk, It actually wasn’t a big issue as Illinois EVs weren’t deciding. A lot of close races though.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:53 pm@386 I…. don’t know how the GOP recovers. They’ve driven out over 1/4 of the party in the last 20 years. Maybe Americans have a short enough memory? IDK.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:55 pmBiden was obviously off his game, but Trump’s assholitry covered for a lot of sins. Trump’s base, from the cultural school of talk radio, thought he was great, taking it to the Left.
But look at what that looked like to people with manners.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:56 pmIf Joe won, why is an early narrative from his friends about canceling the future debates? Wouldn’t you want more of them?
Quick returns from Luntz show that DJT pushed away the middle. Cook Report saying the same thing.
If the calculation is that Joe now has the win if he simply rides it out as he has to this point, I get it. But, DJT has clear momentum, very much like 2016. Two more performances like that and he’s done, imo. Why not bait him into it, thus energizing the Biden base and avoiding a late independent swing to Trump, which is what happened four years ago.
Ed from SFV (f64387) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:56 pmThey’ve driven out over 1/4 of the party in the last 20 years
The last four, actually, replacing them with morons. And many of those who’ve stayed are just wishing for this man to leave, lose, die, whatever.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 8:57 pmIf I were Biden, I would say that Trump is so unsuited for the office that further debates are impossible. The man has the sense of decorum of a rabid boar, he won’t allow an actual debate to occur, and would the GOP please send someone else.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:00 pm@381, Actually it wasn’t “accurate” at all- but in the parkish, so’ll we’ll give him a passed ball on it.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:00 pmpeople saying what they expect from a supreme court judge should have no bearing
mg (8cbc69) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:01 pmits about the rule of law
Harris seemed to shoot down that idea in her post-debate interview on CNN.
Although it was soon enough after the debate that it probably doesn’t reflect any considered policy.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:01 pmDavid French:
The contrast was stark. Biden is a mediocre, semi-addled septuagenarian with bad policies, yet compared to the stinking heap of affront to all that’s decent, he came off as a blinding beacon of American greatness.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:01 pmDustin,
We can hope, we can pray, but none will ever stop the spending, Relatively speaking, Trump’s been better than most. He didn’t cut, but he was up only 15% on that 20 trillion after 3 years until the pandemic.
Matador (0284e8) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:02 pmAfter Trump loses, and NY convicts him of tax evasion, could someone please talk him into letting his first day in prison be filmed as a reality show? It’s pretty late to teach him manners, but prison might do it.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:03 pmBut STILL I won’t vote for Biden.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:04 pm@392. Trump’s error was not letting Biden talk more. It didn’t take long to get him to call the POTUS a clown and to shut-up.
But he came across as a cadaver– especially when he’d look down. He appeared exactly like a corpse in a coffin on television– dressed to be buried.
But the loser tonight was Wallace. He was a complete failure. No excuse for it.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:06 pmBased on what the carp carlos slims pays the times to publish.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:06 pmA month is ten lifetimes. This will fade from the news cycle in 72 hours.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:07 pmIt’s how he leads in a crisis that matters, and if we just count only the easy years, all the other Republicans were far, far better than Trump.
Trump’s ‘here’s some cash, vote for me’ if that came from Jeb or Obama, wouldn’t be defended. The spending was out of hand. Bipartisanship is no shield.
Beyond that, Trump has not cut the fat, and has broken his promise to get us on path to a balanced budget. An honest response to this is that there’s no competitor who would do the same. Maybe. I don’t see anyone like Mitch Daniels putting their family through stuff like how Trump cut into Biden’s comments about his dead veteran son to talk about the addict son.
Clearly character is still central to getting things on track. Decent people can’t survive in this political climate.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:10 pmNow you will rooting for kamala right, there isnt enough excrement you wont put up with, now that debate might require scolapine. Because pence is too civil.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:10 pmBut, DJT has clear momentum, very much like 2016…….
Comedy gold! In polling, Trump’s momentum is downhill.
Rip Murdock (631d7a) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:10 pmWhoever wins- it’s a win/win to me; but Biden is a bad person.
So is Trump.
But a CIC has to be a SOB. Biden is not one.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:13 pmWhat we saw tonight was the same thing we’ve seen for four years — a man who is so completely unsuited to any position of trust or profit under the Constitution that he should have been impeached just for that reason.
Pelosi didn’t do that because it might have worked. She did not want Trump gone, he was too useful where he was. So, she brought some weak-ass charges to buy off the impatient, there was a lot of storm and fury, accomplishing nothing.
The Democrats wanted this man weakening the GOP for the rest of his term, and he has done exactly that. Sad for them that Bernie didn’t get the memo.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:14 pmPat (@406)
No sh1t? That’s been his message all along. If Trump were to drop dead, Biden’s campaign would collapse.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:15 pmIt’s not Wallace’s fault Trump was out of control. Short of cutting off his mic or slapping him there was very little he could do. I thought he did a decent job.
Rip Murdock (631d7a) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:15 pmTrump’s error was not letting Biden talk more.
Indirectly. He didn’t want to let anyone talk.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:16 pmSee #30. Lest you forget:
Hillary was 14 points ahead of Trump just 12 days before the general.
“I am the Democratic Party,” crowed Joe tonight. Sad.
“No miracle is coming.”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:19 pmYes wallaces job is to let biden run roughshod so he can finish what obama couldnt, you all kiss his ass four years later even after all he wrought, the firestorm he has fanned.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:19 pmDecent people can’t survive in this political climate.
To be fair, the system isn’t designed for decent people. It’s designed to force bastards to work together whether they want to or not. Trump’s problem is he’s too stupid to understand that, and he is constantly riding the effing horse sideways.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:19 pmSNL season premieres this Saturday.
Tell me that’s a coincidence…
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:19 pm“Here’s some cash, vote for me” which is a BFOQ for politicians, or “My dead kids, my dead ex wife who I was cheating on at the time” vote for me.
Joe’s been trading on his deceased family since they died.
I didn’t think anyone could go lower than Trump, but Joe lives there.
Matador (0284e8) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:20 pm@413. Yes. It was.
It was Wallace’s job to maintain control.
He lost it within the first five minutes. He knew it too–his quivering voice for 90 minutes was the dead give away.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:22 pmThe next Trump/Biden moderator needs a SuperSoaker.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:23 pmOr shock-collars.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:23 pmOr both!
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:24 pm@418. It is. SNL always premieres after the Emmys. That’s how the award season calendar cycle operates in Hollywood. Now the guilds are gearing up for their awards through the autumn as the 2021 GGs approach in January.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:25 pm@421.He/she needs balls. All Wallace had to do was stand up an leave the desk for five minutes and let the two kids chill.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:26 pmWho gives a farthing about snl, or camelbert or that rotten piece of dung that is maher
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:28 pmI would have confronted the charlottesville lie, which ties to this blazing fire that has been raging for six monthes fanned by the squad obama bernie and much of corporate america.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:30 pmInstead of thanking Joe Biden for his fallen son’s time in the military, Trump said ‘I don’t know him’ and started bashing his brother for being booted.
Kevin’s point that Biden’s not fit to lead is right. I don’t care.
I’m not outraged. I don’t care enough to be outraged. But Biden just being Biden is no problem for me.
I think Trump decided not to prepare for this debate, and fell onto this idea he could relive his glory days badgering Hillary, just kinda be a tough bully and put as much pressure as he could on Biden. Trump is believing his own press, that he’s some kind of incredible fighter, but all he really showed, yet again, is he takes shortcuts. Trump could have prepared, let Biden make mistakes, spotted them and discussed. But he didn’t put in the work. he can write off most of his mistakes and failures at our expense, and of course he can write off losing an election with shenanigans.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:32 pmRIP Helen Reddy (78).
Rip Murdock (631d7a) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:33 pmJust like biden didnt know the crew of extortion 17, that his loose lips ended.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:33 pmAfter opposing the mission that prompted the leak.
Beau was the only decent one in that whole family, the two coked up kidswith the stripper baby.the wife who is committing elder abuse, but after 84 minutes he wasnt going to be tactul
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:36 pmOK I kinda disagree but I understand this. Biden did bring Beau up out of nowhere, I think (I was messing with my daughter, who wouldn’t sleep, and I was not following closely). that is cheap.
But he did have a point. Trump has indeed said disgraceful things about our military. And Biden’s kid being in the military is the closest thing to military service on that stage. No Trump would ever do something so selfless. They really do think soldiers are suckers.
Biden’s play for points is like an extreme version of the tourist spot selfie, very self centered and artificial. Lower than Trump’s conduct here? I can’t even come close to understanding that.
you brought up fiscal discipline as a reason to support Trump. Trump is literally mailing people gift cards. Come on.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:39 pmAmerica needs tough leaders who make cold blooded calculations. There ain’t enough to go around. There are people out there who would behead us without a second’s thought and sleep like a baby after.
But that’s not really what I’m talking about. Politicians know their families will be harmed if they run for a high enough office. Just a fact of life, and it means only psychos make it that far.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:42 pmNo he hasnt, biden has on tape, and his policies in afghanistan and iraq bely that. Not that w was much better.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:42 pmI’m sorry, but that’s a real a$$hole comment.
Paul Montagu (39c87e) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:44 pmLike DCSCA repeating Trump/Hillary poll numbers.
You’re living in the f***ing past.-The Dude
Rip Murdock (631d7a) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:44 pmWell, I think his antics did disrupt Biden’s performance, kind of like facing a full-court press all game in basketball or a no-huddle offense all game in football.
And Hillary won every debate in 2016, if poll movement afterward is the metric.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:50 pmYou value comity, i think its overrated, when it seems to benefit the left.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:54 pmDustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:39 pm
I did not say he had fiscal discipline. I said “Relatively speaking”, and followed with the concession that spending will never stop.
You say Trump is unfit to lead. I say, Trump is less unfit than any alternative. He will be unbearable, but he will not yield, no, he will not capitulate to the radical left. He is a roadblock until we can find something between what many thought they were getting with Trump and the good-looking smart-sounding slime that pat our heads while picking our pockets and selling us out.
If you score, you may win. If they never score, you will never lose. Defense wins championships.
Matador (0284e8) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:54 pmI’m sorry, but that’s a real a$$hole comment.
He is only following his instructions: Russia trying to ‘denigrate’ Biden campaign, says FBI director (Reuters)
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:59 pmRIP Helen Reddy (78).
Oh great, now Donald Trump gets to pick the next feminist singer/activist.
JVW (ee64e4) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:01 pmAnother lifetime troughfeeder saying Russia is trying to help Trump.
Meh.
Matador (0284e8) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:01 pmHe will be unbearable, but he will not yield, no, he will not capitulate to the radical left.
Putin is not the radical left, it died with Andropov, so it’s okay if Trump capitulates to him, is that it?
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:03 pmAnother lifetime troughfeeder saying Russia is trying to help Trump.
Appointed by Trump and confirmed by a Republican Senate.
Rip Murdock (631d7a) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:04 pmThere’s more to being President than putting down the 5% of Americans, if even that many, on the loony fringes.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:05 pmI believe in calling out a$$hole comments when I see them, gris, and yours was an a$$hole comment.
Paul Montagu (39c87e) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:05 pmWallace was being too deferential to Trump because he’s the POTUS, but Trump hasn’t earned that deferentiality in future debates. The next moderators should just confront the a$$hole for acting like an a$$hole.
I’m sorry, but that’s a real a$$hole comment.
Paul Montagu (39c87e) — 9/29/2020 @ 9:44 pm
Yeah, I was thinking that too. How could he possibly know what kind of guy Beau was, right?
Matador (0284e8) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:07 pmI have great respect for someone who went through the hell of our long war.
Wallace was being the same left watercarrier ‘community policing, climate change, all this other genuflecting to the capitols fixtures
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:08 pmAppointed by Trump and confirmed by a Republican Senate.
Rip Murdock (631d7a) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:04 pm
And your point is?
We all know Trump’s personnel decisions are made with Snoopy ball darts. Sometime he hits, mostly he misses, but it’s mistake, not malfeasance. As for the Senate?
Golly gee Sgt Carter, I just cain’t believe it. I just cain’t.
Matador (0284e8) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:10 pmI gave my reasons, ive beem waiting for a thrashing like that for 12 years, the one who was victimized then talk about violence and intimidation to her person, to her church to every member of her family
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:10 pmHow did frothing at the mouth and ranting like a lunatic work out for your savior tonight?
Bring back fond memories of the beard in his prime, did it?
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:11 pmA blunt but necessary instrument, some more tact like hawley or desantis might do, would be nice but they arent available.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:15 pmPutin is not the radical left, it died with Andropov, so it’s okay if Trump capitulates to him, is that it?
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:03 pm
Still chasing that Russian bogeyman?
Fables, no matter how enchanting, never become non-fiction best sellers.
Matador (0284e8) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:16 pmKinda weird seeing the media declare Biden the clear superior debater while at the same time saying Biden should refuse any more debates.
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Meanwhile……
Daniel Garza
harkin (ea3da9) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:17 pm@danielggarza
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Spanish speaking viewers of Telemundo expressed their preference of who won tonight’s presidential debate: 66% Trump 34% Biden. #DebateTuesday
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I dunno. It seems you’re conflating the older brother who lived a pretty honorable life until he died with the black sheep who didn’t die from a brain tumor who had a drug problem and was trying to make a quick buck. That Trump would smear the older brother is a notch against Trump.
Paul Montagu (39c87e) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:17 pmNo, I was saying he was spot on about the blacksheep.
Montagu…for the whiff.
Matador (0284e8) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:20 pmBoogeyman? Fables?
There are an estimated 235 million US citizens over the age of 18 in the United States. Are there 17.5 million radical anything, of any stripe, left, right and in-between, all together, in total?
That is the fable Trump supporters are peddling, the boogeyman they hide under the blanket from.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:21 pmIts kind of like my view of the kennedys rfk still has a certain nobility, even if he was wrongheaded, teddy was an actual traitor to the soviets.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:22 pmIf Biden wins, you math will be proven a fable.
Matador (0284e8) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:22 pm“your”, of course.
Matador (0284e8) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:23 pmHow many will resist, the left. A committed minority willing to use any tactic will overwhelm a quiescent majority.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:24 pmWhat thrashing, gris. It was a cock-up. A sh*tshow. Originated by a sh*tshow president. No one won this debate. The loser was the United States of America, for showing the world what a sh*thole country we’re becoming.
Paul Montagu (39c87e) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:24 pmPutin live rent free in your head, nk.
He’s not all that. Just ask Barack.
Matador (0284e8) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:24 pmHeh! I get it.
Sorry. I’m as racist as the next guy, as long as I keep above the Mason-Dixon line anyway, but I don’t count every person of color as a radical leftist.
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:27 pmPutin live rent free in your head, nk.
And Trump says I’m not allowed to evict him. Sakes alive, I hope he didn’t bring any Novichuk with him!
nk (1d9030) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:31 pmYouve been cooking thaf souvlaki too long.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:32 pm455, that assessment is prone to many factors such as was the quality of the on-spot translation and also the timbre of the respective speakers assigned to voice Trump and Biden. But BdG might know better, the answer in terms of Telemundo’s ratings appeal compared to his whipping horse rival Univision.
urbanleftbehind (973806) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:33 pmI guess the coin flip came up tails for nk. If it’s heads, he makes allusions to Putin toy boys, otherwise it’s hooded cross burners.
beer ‘n pretzels (134835) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:35 pmIndeed
https://mobile.twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1311137402975662082
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:38 pmOh racial sensitivity training like that smithsonian exhibit,
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:41 pmNow, how did we get to RACIST!?
Barack Obama said Russia was no longer a threat when chastising Mitt. “The 80’s wants it foreign policy back”.
Matador (0284e8) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:41 pmHe was begging for an in with the treacherous deal with the revolutionary guard.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:42 pmif president vladimir lives rent free in mr nks head i hope he at least tips ivanka generously at the end of her set
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:44 pmOf course you are allowed to evict him. But can you?
Matador (0284e8) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:44 pmHow did frothing at the mouth and ranting like a lunatic work out for your savior tonight?
No, Biden won’t froth and rant. I guess that’s about as deep the thinking goes for a Biden supporter.
Like the Green New Deal? If it saves us from frothing and ranting, well sure. My god.
beer ‘n pretzels (f775df) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:45 pmMostly curdling in a back room, of course epistemic closure makes it impossible for biden to know which lie he told
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:49 pmBiden refused to take a stand on packing the court.
If the Democrats pack the court, I will make a lateral move, and emigrate to a banana republic.
norcal (a5428a) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:57 pmWhen rome falls, it wont matter which province you’re in, no there isnt a standby like constantinople.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 10:59 pmI didn’t catch that part. A serious black mark on Biden.
I love how defensive Trump fans get about Putin because they clearly know it’s all true. It’s all true.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:02 pmI suffered through the entire debate, if it can be called a debate. I watched hours of commentary on several channels afterwards. These are my thoughts.
I don’t think Trump did himself any favors. He came across as rude and crude, but that was to be expected.
I don’t think Biden helped himself very much. He came across as more stately though.
I think Wallace disgraced himself.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:03 pmI don’t understand how Obama being wrong about something makes Trumps even more wrong opinion somehow right. Trump can be wrong on the same stuff Obama was also wrong on.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:05 pmSimple he was the usurper the corruptor orlf every agency with the cooperation of the press, who cheered his every move.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:08 pmYou cant blame obama anymore than you can blame a scorpion for stinging you he wants to ‘fundamentally transform this country, thats an ongoing project.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:10 pmThe Democrats aren’t going to have the votes to eliminate the filibuster and pack the court, even if Biden would go along, which as a traditionalist he won’t.
There’s no point in taking a position on something impossible.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:10 pm‘You can keep your doctor and your plan’ no matter how many times it was said it wasnt true.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:14 pmLater gators
https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1311128023085625344
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:16 pm@482 If all your opinions depend on what someone else thinks then you are worse than a child. Even children develop independent opinions and don’t just go along with people they like and reflexively contradict people they don’t.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:18 pmThe Democrats aren’t going to have the votes to eliminate the filibuster and pack the court, even if Biden would go along, which as a traditionalist he won’t.
There’s no point in taking a position on something impossible.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:10 pm
I’m going to save this statement, Dave.
If I never have to retrieve it, I’ll count myself lucky.
norcal (a5428a) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:20 pmThat so called debate Lincoln-Douglas II (NOT) is why I am voting third party as I did in 2016. And if the third party is taken off the ballot as green party was in wisconsin I will go write in on the ballot.
asset (dc9cee) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:25 pmBiden’s deputy campaign manager confirms remaining debates are still on.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:30 pmI suppose we can still pray that the moderators boycott…
Dave (1bb933) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:34 pm@491 Maybe we can put the candidates in those beauty pageant question and answer segment glass booths.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/29/2020 @ 11:43 pmThis debate was The Jerry Springer Show, minus the chair-throwing.
norcal (a5428a) — 9/30/2020 @ 12:06 amKevin’s point that Biden’s not fit to lead is right. I don’t care.
I didn’t say that. TRUMP is unfit. Biden may be fit, but his PARTY isn’t.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 12:10 amTrump’s pre-COVID 2020 deficit was 74% larger than Obama’s last year. If your deficits are spiraling in the “greatest economy in the history of America” and you promised to balance the budget, you’re gobsmackingly FOS.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/30/2020 @ 12:10 amVP debate may have an interesting dynamic.
First, unlike Trump, Pence will likely prepare, and approach the debate with some sort of plan.
Since Pence has been a complete non-entity, apart from nodding his head at whatever Trump says, Harris will doubtless try to force him to defend Trump’s lunacy.
Pence, on the other hand, has the choice of attacking Biden or Harris. Harris’ attacks on Biden in the early Dem debates will be one obvious source of material.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/30/2020 @ 12:18 amOTOH, Trump is not the problem. The problem was what GOT us Trump.
Professional politicians ended up competing for the favor of a narrow spectrum of society — the upper middle-class and their need for investment returns — and forgot the folks in their traditional base. OK, the didn’t forget them, they just pandered to them and otherwise ignored them. And the one day it was intolerable and Trump was there to lead the torches and pitchforks.
I wonder how the GOP plans to get us out of this. The Left HAS and answer: giant government managing all aspects of society in detail. The New Green Deal is pretty much the Command Economy. We know how that ends. And ironically, Trump has enabled it while destroying the forces that would normally oppose it.
I doubt I’ll live to see the final crash. I wonder who they’ll blame it on.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 12:23 amParties don’t govern, people do. I don’t think either party has a monopoly on virtue.
We need to rediscover the idea that in an evenly divided country, it’s a good thing if both sides get some of what they want, and it’s to be expected that neither side gets everything.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/30/2020 @ 12:38 am@436. Dude; Past is Prologue:
Dewey Defeats Truman.
Ask Tom… or Hillary.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/30/2020 @ 1:00 amWatched- actually listened— to this train wreck again; neither one of these men made much sense in what they were saying. It was 90 minutes of fragments. And Wallace was just not in control of this from the get-go.
But Biden’s line, ‘this is not 1950’ was hilarious- he would know; especially as he is dressed like it is 1956.
If Putin isn’t smiling this morning, he’s not alive. Hell, he outta invade Poland at sunset.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/30/2020 @ 1:05 am@493. Was thinking more like the ‘Morton Downey Jr. Show.’ Google it.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/30/2020 @ 1:06 amRIP Helen Reddy.
She was woman; hear her roar; no more.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/30/2020 @ 1:12 am@497. OTOH, Trump is not the problem. The problem was what GOT us Trump.
Trump is a 1980’s Reagan Creation.
There’s the source of your problem: Reaganomics.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/30/2020 @ 1:18 amSame here, brother. I turned it off and prayed “have mercy on us , O Lord.”
felipe (023cc9) — 9/30/2020 @ 3:26 amI completely agree, Paul. I especially fault Wallace’s wording “setting up” each question. He would have better served the listeners by simply stating his questions without the needless characterizations in his overwrought preambles.
felipe (023cc9) — 9/30/2020 @ 3:30 amQuite right, nk. But I think what we have here is a situation that calls for wooing more than pleading. No boy ever got the girl of his dreams with pleading. No, wooing is the way, especially if you can’t string two sentences together, can’t impress the girl’s friends much less her parents, or have even remotely nice friends.
What we are witnessing is Beauty and the beast.
felipe (023cc9) — 9/30/2020 @ 3:41 amNorCal @477-
Biden refused to take a stand on packing the court.
If the Democrats pack the court, I will make a lateral move, and emigrate to a banana republic.
The Democrats don’t need to pack the Court. They can simply deny the courts jurisdiction to rule on the topics of their choice.
Rip Murdock (631d7a) — 9/30/2020 @ 4:36 amThe Democrats don’t need to pack the Court. They can simply deny the courts jurisdiction to rule on the topics of their choice.
How convenient!
norcal (a5428a) — 9/30/2020 @ 4:49 amI watched this debate to watch Biden. I’ve seen Trump for four years – he’s a known quantity at this point. Biden was…disappointing. It’s clear he won’t be able to enact anything if president. He seems to think our country is in the 1980s, as if he’ll be Reagan and he can work with his Tip O’Neill.
His economic plans are a joke. He showed his climate card when he wasn’t supposed to. He has no idea how to stop left-wing violence. And his proposal to add more police to the street? Are we supposed to believe that would even make it to the floor?
It’s clear Biden will not stand up to China or try to change the dynamic in any way. He’s not going to bring back manufacturing; and he will kill the gas/oil industry, including fracking, when he gets the chance.
But most alarming is the insistence that every right-wing fringe group belongs to Trump while all the left-wing fringe groups don’t belong to Biden. Wallace let Biden get away with stating that Antifa isn’t a group – just an “idea.” Isn’t white supremacy and “idea?”
Biden crowed how he is a Catholic – but no one pressed him on how he squares his faith with his insistence of abortion on demand.
He completely failed to answer the question of packing the court, or adding states to the union.
Trump’s biggest mistake – not giving Biden more rope. If Trump had not interrupted Biden, Joe would have tongue-twisted himself into several corners.
Too bad. I hate to say it, but the Biden presidency is going to be a rude awakening for many, including the NeverTrumpers. What’s the old saying about the devil you know versus the devil you don’t?
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/30/2020 @ 4:49 amBoth of these guys are turds. Biden is just a more highly polished one.
norcal (a5428a) — 9/30/2020 @ 5:43 am“It’s never the lady’s fault.”
nk (1d9030) — 9/30/2020 @ 5:48 amBoth of these guys are turds. Biden is just a more highly polished one.
Truer words were never spoken.
To give a cruder analogy, one guy is like sewage wrapped in shiny gold paper. The other is like sewage wrapped in cellophane. The first one seems prettier. But fundamentally, they both stink.
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/30/2020 @ 5:54 amWhat’s the old saying about the devil you know versus the devil you don’t?
If Trump felt that way, he’d still be married to Ivana and Stormy Daniels would be $130,000 poorer.
nk (1d9030) — 9/30/2020 @ 5:55 amBiden’s response on LW violence didn’t get a lot of air because he was clear and concise that violence isn’t peaceful protest and that rioters should be prosecuted. He didn’t hedge. He didn’t make excuses for them. He didn’t try to shift blame. He was clear on the subject and all Trump could come back with was to accuse him of not saying what he’d just said.
Trump couldn’t bring himself to do that. The exchange is below, in context. Trump didn’t condemn White Supremacists and right-wing militia. He did tell the proud boys to stand by because someone has to do something about Antifa. They love him for things like that.
Biden condemns that violent actions of the far left.
Trump excuses and justifies the violent actions of the far right.
The far left hates Trump and dislikes Biden.
The far right Loves trump and hates Biden.
I’m sure you’ll tell me that I’m misinterpreting Trump’s meaning. So here’s what they thought he was telling them.
Here are Trumps words in context
Time123 (52fb0e) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:03 amif the police are going to be disarmed, and citizens are at risk, with these terrorrist are going to be laying siege to businesses and persons, what’s the alternative,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:10 am@515, Gosh, if only there were options between “Mobs of Armed White Supremist” and “Pure Anarchy”
Time123 (52fb0e) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:17 amI feel fine
Talkin’ ’bout peace of mind
Biden kicked Trump’s behind
I might just watch the next debate. In the meantime, we can have fun with all the new conditions Stephen Miller comes up with. Biden has to provide a stool sample to prove that he is not eating an endangered species?
nk (1d9030) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:17 amno cochise, it’s the opposite, he had to fight that jackass wallace, who didn’t succeed, this decrepit old man, is the same jackass we saw in 2012, except ryan dropped his guard, and of course martha raddatz double teamed him,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:21 amI don’t see mobs of white supremacists burning cities. I see mobs of leftwingers doing that.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:30 amNah, we aren’t expecting much from Biden except that he won’t be a traitor like Trump. Trump’s gotta go. Biden is the price.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:34 amSounds like my decision to watch Netflix last night was a sound one. The debate sounds as much fun as an appointment with an angry dental technician.
Appalled (1a17de) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:37 am@512 BL, I have to admit it. You are more eloquent in your crudity. 🙂
norcal (a5428a) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:39 amhe was a soviet tool going back to the 70s, my god putin would be in clover, if biden got in,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:39 amExactly right.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:41 amNow that I’ve slept on it, one of the measures I used in evaluating the candidates was which one is the least mentally undiminished, and Trump was mentally unhinged last night. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, and he doesn’t have a plan for anything. It’s all about Trump and it’s all about winning the moment.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:41 amBiden stumbled in a few places, but he was dealing with constant interruptions and lies. Wallace and Biden showed up for a debate, but Trump decided to piss on the ground rules, bully-thug his way through the 90 minutes, and talk over both moderator and opponent. It was one of the lowest moments in American politics I’ve ever seen.
Trump did not help himself when he condemned Antifa but would not equally condemn the racist Proud Boys.
Trump did not help himself when he waffled on masks.
Trump did not help himself when he said he would not accepted the certified election results, that “this is going to be a fraud like you’ve never seen.”
Trump did not help himself with his onslaught of lies.
He’s arguably the worst president in history, and he needs to lose badly.
It is clear you are one of the “Trump is Putin’s Puppet” believer.
Can you tell me what Putin has gained with Trump? How Trump has helped Putin in some way?
Also, how is Russia a threat to the US these days? Are they gassing up their rusting tanks to take over Europe?
Are you ready for more Obama/Biden foreign policy – which includes increasing our presence in foreign wars, instead of drawing down?
Will Biden foster the Arab-Israeli normalization process we have seen, or pivot back to the pro-Iran stance of Obama?
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:41 am525. But he won’t. He may lose, but he won’t go quietly and he won’t lose badly in any event. Losing badly and accepting an egregious loss isn’t consistent with the TRUMP brand.
Gryph (f63000) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:43 amThis could be a great debate. Pence is smart, a great speaker. He and Harris are true believers in different ideas. Harris did not do well in the democratic debates, so Trump supporters should have a lot to enjoy too. Frankly it’s been a very tough year to be a Trump supporter, and this is a debate they should catch just for mental health relief.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:44 amGood.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:45 amHis abrupt retreat in Northern Syria greatly benefitted Russia.
Their efforts to influence and destabilize eastern Europe aren’t in our national interest.
Just off the top of my head.
Time123 (ea2b98) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:52 amCan a Trump fan help me keep up with plot? Is Joe a radical leftist? Is he a puppet of the left? Or does the left hate him?
Time123 (ea2b98) — 9/30/2020 @ 6:56 amTrump’s undermining NATO helps Putin.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:00 amTrump’s undermining our relationships with democratic allies helps Putin.
Trump’s cut-and-run from Kurdish Syria helped Putin.
Trump’s doing nothing after Putin paid Talibaners to kill Americans serving our country helps Putin.
Trump’s not saying one single contrary word to or about Putin helps Putin.
Trump’s reticence to sanction Putin and his people helps Putin.
Trump’s doing nothing while Putin insinuated himself in Venezuela helps Putin.
Trump’s ongoing denials that Putin engaged in a “sweeping and systematic” effort to undermine our elections helps Putin.
I could go on.
this is the pile of excrement, you’ve signed on with,
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/29/bork-widow-biden-orchestrated-a-vicious-lying-assault-a-man-without-a-compass-guided-now-by-prevailing-progressive-winds/
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:04 amAmericans did the equivalent of one of Archie Bunker’s pantomimed suicides last night:
Google searches for ‘move to Canada’ spike after presidential debate
I’m guessing a lot of Canadians were probably searching for “build a wall”.
Are we great again yet?
Dave (1bb933) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:06 amgoogle does reveal remarkable stupidity, or maybe that’s just the algorithm works,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:08 amLet the Russians have Syria. Putin can waste his men and resources in a morass that won’t be solved anytime soon. The Russians backed Assad long before Trump came along. No need to get involved in yet another Middle East debacle.
Russia has always tried to influence their near abroad, just like we have with ours. So far, Eastern Europe hasn’t changed much since Trump was elected so things don’t seem that bad to me.
What would you like Biden to do in Venezuela? Send in troops? It’s a failed state – thanks in large part to policies that the left would like to enact here.
Bottom line: Trump has not started any wars (like Democrats said he would) and has reduced our footprint in wars and conflicts across the globe.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:08 amInteresting assertion, can you back it up with data?
Time123 (52fb0e) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:12 amI do not stop and watch car crashes on the highway, and I did not watch last night’s wrestling event.
One line I saw repeated about Biden: “I am the Democratic Party right now.”
That means he and the party are one and the same; what they do, he does or will do.
So, if you want the country as a whole to look like Seattle, Portland, New York and Chicago, all Democratic strongholds (not only run by Dems, but practically one-party jurisdictions), then vote Joe.
(From what I gather, Trump did a really poor job in pressing home attacks on Joe, of which there are plenty.)
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:12 amThere was a point in the debate last night where, within a period of thirty seconds or less, Trump criticized Biden for not wanting to shut anything down, and for wanting to shut everything down. And he made both contradictory charges with equal vehemence…
Dave (1bb933) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:13 amAs far as Putin, Trump has talked one game, but many of his policies are not in Putin’s interest. The recent normalization of relations between Israel and two Arab countries (soon to be followed by more), hurts both Iran and Putin.
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:13 amCan a Trump fan help me keep up with plot? Is Joe a radical leftist? Is he a puppet of the left? Or does the left hate him?
I am not Trump fan. But I would characterize him as a Potemkin moderate.
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:14 amYou mean in places like Afghanistan?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/politics/us-troops-afghanistan-drawdown/index.html
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:15 amAgreed. Any semblance of Biden being a moderate is gone. He backs the Green New Deal. He’s good with packing the court. He’s good with adding more states to get more Democrats. He’s good with abortion on demand.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:20 amHe explicitly said he didn’t back GND.
Also, per Trump’s quote, Biden has attacked the left and is being rejected by them. Are you calling Trump a liar?
Time123 (52fb0e) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:25 amMy understanding is that our deployment numbers have been pretty constant and that Trump isn’t bringing troops home, just moving them to new places. Since you made the assertion I thought maybe you had the details.
Time123 (52fb0e) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:26 amI’m making fun of multiple, mutually exclusive, lines of attack.
Time123 (52fb0e) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:27 amCan we get some perspective? Can we get … hell, I ain’t ashamed to say the word … values? What you’ve got a guy who cannot have a civil, coherent, orderly debate with a former United States Senator and former Vice President for ninety minutes, but instead behaves like a spoiled five-year old, and when criticized for it screams that the moderator was unfair to him. That’s what you’ve got.
nk (1d9030) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:28 amhe made his pact with bernie, his denials are of the ‘you can keep your plan variety’
re afghanistan, biden screwed up any hope we had to push through with the counterinsurgency strategy, in havor of his whackamole strategy in parts of afghanistan and yemen,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:29 amno he has always been garbage, the minion of big banks, the slanderer of thomas and bork, the stooge for the soviets, the opponent to our own domestic energy production, and I could go on and on,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:34 am@546: We’re talking a candidate who isn’t even in charge of writing his own tweets.
Were FDR and LBJ radical leftists? Were they puppets of the left? They steered the country hard left anyway, because they surrounded themselves with leftists, and Biden will too. He already has. A Mao admirer for an advisor? Really?
beer ‘n pretzels (134835) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:36 amObama made the same mistake with Iraq, that reducing our footprint there would somehow bring peace, going so far as to crow “I ended the war in Iraq”. It was a huge mistake to betray our Kurdish ally, and it’ll be a huge mistake if Trump works a deal with the Taliban. There are no good Taliban.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:37 am“Can you believe people believe that bullsh*t?”
Dave (1bb933) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:38 amyou can’t catch every single lie, that utters forth from that sock puppet,
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/30/fact-check-transcript-shows-trump-did-not-refuse-to-denounce-or-condemn-white-supremacy-at-debate/
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:40 amClearly this debate didn’t change any of our minds.
But here’s what non-obsessive news junkies think. Pretty negative for Trump.
Time123 (ea2b98) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:41 amHe explicitly said he didn’t back GND.
“‘If You Like Your Doctor, You Can Keep Your Doctor’” — That was explicit. Very explicit.
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:45 amYes. Thank you for recognizing just how terrible Obama’s Iraq policy was. I interpreted it more cynically, as a refusal to let such a hard earned and important victory for President Bush persist. I’m a lot less partisan now, but I still feel that way.
Trump’s entire foreign policy is bizarre if he’s really just an American serving American interests. It’s great there was an Israeli peace deal of course, but Trump didn’t make that deal. A cold hot dog on the resolute desk would have a vastly superior foreign policy to this guy.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:49 amTrump’s incoherence on masks–up to and including last night’s debate–is why we have so many dead Americans from CV19.
Fauci never said “masks are not good”. The blood of tens of thousands of dead Americans is on Trump’s hands.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:50 amIt was also true for most people.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:52 amYou’re right and you’re also clever in your analysis. Trump indeed did criticize Biden for positions the left would all reject. But I think Trump’s strategy was to just be as pushy as possible to break Biden in some historic first debate gaffe, and he wasn’t thinking about anything but mocking Biden. Mocking him losing the left makes sense from Trump’s point of view and strategy, but to Biden and the audience, moving center is what all presidential candidates do.
Biden probably would have made gaffes if Trump hadn’t filled every second of both candidate’s time with filibuster. It’s actually pretty easy to defend Biden just using Trump’s comments now.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:53 ambiden was complicit in this, he is the midwife of the islamic state, needless to say he empowered maliki, who was as against the iraq war, as lenin was against world war one, facts don’t matter
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:56 amIt was also true for most people.
And this summer’s protests were “mostly peaceful.” Even in those in neighborhoods that were destroyed.
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:56 amYou must have been quite worried back when Clinton was getting hummers in the Oval Office and staining a blue dress.
But I’m sure Biden will be better. I’m sure his son won’t enrich himself with foreign dealings while his dad is president, like he did when dad was VP.
I’m sure Biden will remain true to his purported Catholic values and push back on the Democrat belief of abortion on demand.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:58 amHe explicitly said his GND would pay for itself.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:58 amI really don’t understand how anybody could watch that freak show. Trump ignoring all rules, agreements or manners. Wallace losing control almost immediately, and resorting to yelling “I’m the moderator!” which means he no longer is. Biden, I dunno. If it was me, I would have said Eff this and walked out. I cannot see him returning for any more debates, and no one (other than the people who claim Trump won) would blame him.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:59 amIt’s so weird that Trump supporters do this. You’re 100% zealous and moral condemnation of anyone who isn’t Trump. But if you’re really saying to reject presidents over sexual scandal, Trump has done so much worse than that, so many times, even bragging about it. Is morality just something we should use as a partisan weapon, deploying it selectively, otherwise not taking it seriously?
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:00 amYes, that was a striking exchange. Trump briefly tried to feign reasonableness on masks, but he couldn’t keep up the facade for more than a few seconds, and retreated to his true position that has cost tens of thousands of Americans their lives.
In a normal debate that would have been one of the stumbles rehashed afterward, but here it was instantly lost in the raging torrent of Trump’s bullsh*t.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:02 amHe explicitly said he didn’t back GND.
And you believe him.
beer ‘n pretzels (0b07b1) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:02 amIt’s weird that NeverTrumpers do this. Trump is a moral reprobate. But I don’t really care what he does in his personal life, as long as he’s not doing it in the White House. Clinton could get all the hummers he wanted, just not in the Oval Office.
Clinton used the White House as a pickup bar. Democrats didn’t care, neither did the NeverTrumpers. So don’t cry about values and such now.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:05 amDoes Governor Cuomo’s decision to send sick patients back to their nursing homes to spread COVID among the most vulnerable have anything to do with it?
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:06 amWe need to rediscover the idea that in an evenly divided country, it’s a good thing if both sides get some of what they want, and it’s to be expected that neither side gets everything.
It’s evenly divided because no one has a convincing path forward. No leadership. All we have are managers, letting the ship of state move with inertia. Or Trump who ineffectually demands it turn sharply, but has no idea how to do that, and doesn’t appreciate any smartypants who does.
The Democrats have chosen the one path that has failed in every country, every time it has been tried, but Trump has left such a vacuum in the other side that they are probably going to get their way for a while. I figure two years, like Obama got, then the reaction.
At least Trump will be in jail. I think that the Republicans will complain loudly about that, but like the Saudis with Israel, be quietly pleased.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:08 amIf you think my take on the debate is that Trump burned down his presidency last night, you’d be wrong. That was simply the coup de grace.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:09 amAnother horrifying moment that went down the memory hole:
It’s true: 1 in 1,000 Black Americans have died in the Covid-19 pandemic
Dave (1bb933) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:10 amBTW, this comment section demonstrates just how far down the rabbit hole Instapundit has gone:
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/403707/
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:12 amClassic, that Clinton’s immoral behavior somehow justifies Trump’s, as if everyone who criticized Trump’s bully-thuggishness took a pass on Clinton’s serial sexual abuse. The illogic still amazes.
Given that last night’s scrumfest probably helped Biden and hurt Trump, I hope Biden shows up for the next two debates. He should honor his deal with the Presidential Debate Commission. I worry more about whether Steve Scully shows up. He needs to lay out some ground rules, including shutting off the mike when the belligerence gets out of hand.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:13 amIt’s true: 1 in 1,000 Black Americans have died in the Covid-19 pandemic
Well, OK, but 1 out of 1600 Americans of any sort have also died.
It’s worse for blacks, and probably worse for low-income Americans of any description. People who don’t have alternatives to working during the pandemic are most at risk. But it isn’t great for anyone.
And I’m going to bet that Native Americans are even harder hit.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:17 amIt’s true: 1 in 1,000 Black Americans have died in the Covid-19 pandemic
So DeSantis knew what he was doing when he lifted all the coronavirus restrictions. And there I thought he was going only after the elderly.
nk (1d9030) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:18 amThe real question about Covid’s disparate impact is “Why?”
The easy answer is economic, but the virus could have racial affinities. According to official numbers, it’s only killed about 1 in 250,000 Chinese.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:20 amAccording to official numbers, it’s only killed about 1 in 250,000 Chinese.
It’s all the fortune cookies. Gives them a high rate of immunity.
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:23 amStill it’s less than the 8000 killed in Stalin’s purges.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:26 amCuomo runs a state of 19.5 million, Trump runs a country of 331.5 million. I think it’s more than possible that neither politician gets a full share of the blame.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:27 amCuomo is to blame for delaying mitigation and for mishandling nursing homes. Cuomo also gets credit for containing the virus in his state. Since June, new cases have stabilized and deaths have reduced to a trickle.
Trump is to blame for not taking virus seriously, for lying to the American people daily about the virus and what his administration is doing and not doing, for presiding over a botched testing regime, for ignoring his scientists on social distancing and masks, for coercing his scientists on all manners of things, for setting a terrible personal example on social distancing. Trumps gets the blame for our country not containing the virus while so many European and Asian countries and Canada/Australia/New Zealand have succeeded. Yesterday, we had 44,227 new cases and 977 more deaths. It’s not contained, and that’s on Trump.
I think it’s more than possible that neither politician gets a full share of the blame.
I think I’d blame China a bit, too.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:30 amI would say “because neither party’s maximalism is a viable strategy for governing.”
This is an obvious exaggeration. If the Democrats were in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, or Britain itself, they would be to the right of the political center. While I much prefer our system (pre-Trump) to theirs, it’s silly to suggest that any country governed by center-left parties is North Korea or Venezuela.
Dave (1bb933) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:30 amHe is trying to discredit the election because he is behind. He has dictator tendencies and a Proud Boy honorary membership, as of last night. But… should I vote for him?
My friends insist that I must vote for Trump because he’s pro-life. First, in my opinion, he is not. He is supporting conservative judges because that is his ticket to power. I wouldn’t vote for Vladimir Putin if he claimed to be pro-life and I won’t vote for this Putin wannabe either.
America is a light to the world. And Trump is a black hole.
noel (9fead1) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:39 amYep, Xi and his Chinese Communist Party, too.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:40 amIf the Democrats were in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, or Britain itself, they would be to the right of the political center.
Laughable. Biden plagiarized a Labour Party speech for a reason.
That the Dems have so far failed to establish the equivalent here is not from lack of intent.
beer ‘n pretzels (cefa55) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:42 amSquirrel alert!
Dave (1bb933) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:48 am@346
He was Trumpy.
Meaning, those already voting for him won’t NOT vote him.
I doubt he did anything for those “swing voters” as well.
I don’t think Biden did well for “swing voters” either.
Still…an absolute sh!tshow.
whembly (c30c83) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:55 amIt’s a neat trick to pretend that all the criticism of Trump’s abysmally bad character is only about his “personal life,” while most critics have focused more on his gross dishonesty and egregious selfishness, and his belief that anything he does for his own benefit cannot be wrong.
There are people speaking publicly about the unethical behavior they have observed in the White House, and Trump’s self-centered approach to making policy decisions, and his stunning stupidity and laziness.
A president who spends 45 minutes of an urgent public-health task force meeting whining about what someone said about him on Fox and trying to get someone to volunteer to fix that “problem” is unfit for a position of any responsibility.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 9/30/2020 @ 8:56 am@383
That’s… actually a great point.
For those who don’t twittah:
I will also add that Biden wouldn’t answer court packing too.
whembly (c30c83) — 9/30/2020 @ 9:00 amIf the Democrats were in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, or Britain itself, they would be to the right of the political center.
No, Biden and the Old Democrats perhaps. But not the young’uns.
The party that calls for a “national mobilization” to combat climate change, with massive changes to every structure now existing, elimination of the entire energy infrastructure and replacing it with something not only untied, but unlikely (e.g. 24-hour solar power), free this and free that and government-run the other thing. No, that’s not mainstream anywhere. It’s the German Green Party on steroids.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 9:14 am@558
Obama didn’t say “most people.” His statements were unconditional and emphatic. He said he wouldn’t sign a bill that would make people lose their plans or their doctors, period — when he must have known that the Dems were writing a bill that would make many existing plans unacceptable by law. And he signed it into law.
Millions of people lost their insurance plans and were left with a narrower range of choices — only one or two insurers — and many are now paying more for less. If those people don’t matter in the assessment of whether Obama spoke truthfully, then do the 200,000+ people who have died of Covid matter in the assessment of whether Trump has handled it well?
FWIW, I think Obama is less dishonest than Trump, and in most respects a better human being, even if I disliked many of his policies. But I also think he wasn’t even trying to be honest in saying “You can keep your plan, period.”
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 9/30/2020 @ 9:16 amit’s silly to suggest that any country governed by center-left parties is North Korea or Venezuela.
I don’t have to go that far. The Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Albania, Poland, Vietnam, Bulgaria, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, China, East Germany, Cuba, Tanzania, Laos, South Yemen, Somalia, the Congo, Ethiopia, Cambodia, Mozambique, Angola, Nicaragua and other places at times (e.g. UK under Old Labour).
It’s just never been done right.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 9:18 amBTW, China today is not a Socialist country so much as a one-party fascism.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 9:19 am‘Clown’ and ‘why don’t you shut up’ didn’t work for Biden any more than it did for Little Marco or Lyin’ Ted when they tried to go ‘Trump.’ That’s his act, Joe. Plagiarizing another fellas routine may be SOP for Joe but it sounds dishonest and unnatural from him.
So much for the ‘be honest’ strategy. That died a quick death, eh JoeyBee?!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/30/2020 @ 9:20 amRe: the ACA — the increased cost to employers also meant that many employees had their hours reduced so that employers wouldn’t need to pay for their now-pricier insurance. And taxpayers are now subsidizing insurance for many people who used to get it from employers or buy it on their own.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 9/30/2020 @ 9:22 amFrom link @589
Biden disowned almost every one of their favorite trending topics, from the green new deal to medicare for all to defund the police.
And here is the difference between BIDEN and Biden’s party. Guess which way Kamala breaks.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 9:22 amWhen you ride with biden
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/403743/#disqus_thread
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/30/2020 @ 9:23 amThe most terrible thing about the ACA is that people who used to be in an insurance pool called “self-insuring individuals” were FORCED into a pool called “self-insuring individuals plus the indigent and/or uninsurable.” This affected the risk and the premiums.
These increased premiums were, of course, supposed to be subsidized in a way that made those subsidized immune to any increases in risk or premium costs. But those subsidies had a hard income cap that was not indexed to age. The premiums WERE indexed to age.
As of a few years ago, a 64-yo couple who made $62,000/year paid maybe $3,000 in premiums for a mediocre plan. If their income increased slightly, they would pay $20,000 in premiums for a catastrophic plan that paid nothing until bills topped $15K.
It was really only wonderful for some. A nightmare for others.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 9:29 amThe polls that come out later in the week are going to be devastating for Trump.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/30/2020 @ 9:31 am@599. See #30. Five weeks is ten life times and ten thousand news cycles.
If Biden want to run like Dewey, so be it.
‘The little man on top of a wedding cake.’- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/30/2020 @ 9:39 amIt is not weird that I do care. I have no clue why you said that was weird except to feel better about it.
You’re the one who condemned Bill Clinton for the blue dress thing, right before saying you don’t care if a guy on your side is not moral. Why do you pretend you are so upset about sinful behavior if you “don’t really care” about it? Why weaponize shame if you’re just pretending?
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/30/2020 @ 10:20 amWe need to start recognizing this. If Biden wins, he will be the mushy bleh to a party gearing up to go left on a lot of things. Nevertrumpers warned this would happen, but putting blame aside, it’s important that the 2022 elections bring something back to counter.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/30/2020 @ 10:22 amWhembly might be right. If people had the same moral compass I did, Trump wouldn’t have received a single vote in the GOP primary and Cruz or Kasich would be sailing to a re-election after the nation rallied around him in a year of crisis. There would be problems, and I imagine the police reform issue would still exist, but handled very differently, no tear gas Church Photo nonsense.
People like me saw Trump say he didn’t know who Beau Biden was, and start bashing Hunter Biden, and wouldn’t vote for Trump ever, just with that solitary moment in mind. But people aren’t all like me. People heard Trump brag he grabbed women wherever and whenever he wanted their body, and voted for him. People heard Muslim Ban and cheered. People see racist punks and want to stand by for more racist punks, while acting super offended anyone just plainly speaks about what this is.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/30/2020 @ 10:27 am126.
Bolivar di griz (narciso) claimed that Shokin was investigating something else that the head of burisma owned: privat bank.
This would require some time to look into what that claim is all about.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 9/30/2020 @ 12:57 pm128, Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/29/2020 @ 6:02 pm
They are more likely to do it where there is a specific issue of unfairness already in question. Ad when it’s somebody as politically controversial as he is.
So again Trump would not like to make the details public.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 9/30/2020 @ 1:00 pmPaul Montagu (77c694) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:50 am
That would be ion the basis that he got more people totransmit the disease.
If we’re talking that way, the blood of how many Israelis (and others) is on the hands of those who demonized hydroxychloroquine, (as well as dragging their feet on other treatments, even convalescent fluid):
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/israels-covid-silence-mystery
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 9/30/2020 @ 1:09 pmDustin (4237e0) — 9/30/2020 @ 10:22 am
Biden claimed in the debate that he is the party. Sort of like Louis XIV?
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 9/30/2020 @ 1:11 pmDr. Risch is a quack, Sammy. I advise against taking his assertions at face value. The HCQ conclusions in Israel were anecdotal, not any sort of clinical trial.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/30/2020 @ 3:35 pmI have no idea why he would say that. I guess he sees himself as the center, and thinks he has coattails, or he’s just trying to look like a leader, since he doesn’t actually have leadership experience, really.
Dustin (4237e0) — 9/30/2020 @ 3:37 pmShokin wasn’t investigating Zlochevsky either, Sammy. The prosecutor literally obstructed a UK investigation into a $23 million money-laundering scheme.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/30/2020 @ 3:58 pmHere’s more on Ratcliffe rat-f*cking himself, peddling Russian propaganda to Lindsey Graham.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/30/2020 @ 4:01 pmToday, a federal judge ruled to un-redact the portions of the Mueller report that were shrouded under “executive privilege”.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/30/2020 @ 7:44 pmAnother day, another 40,000-plus new cases and almost 1,000 more deaths. Winning!
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/30/2020 @ 9:12 pm@613. It rained someplace today, too. Running against Mother Nature is a squirrel trail.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/30/2020 @ 9:15 pmAnd yet Canada, New Zealand, Australia, most of Europe and most of Asia contained the virus. Why are they succeeding while we’re tackling the virus like one of those sh*thole countries?
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/1/2020 @ 8:06 amForgot to say I learned that Biden can dish it out, but can’t take it.
Go back and watch how VP Biden behaved when he heckled, laughed and lied during his “debate” with Paul Ryan.
The medai thought it was funny
Trump no doubt was shown that video during prep
steveg (43b7a5) — 10/1/2020 @ 10:09 amDustin (4237e0) — 9/30/2020 @ 3:37 pm
It;s an awkward way of saying that (for nw he qualified it) the Democratic Party position is what he has endorsed and not what anybody else says, and Trump should only pay attention – and attack if he wants – to what he has come out in favor if, never mind AOC or Bernie Sanders.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:11 pmThe following appears to show Joe Biden actually in charge (of propaganda anyway)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/01/us/politics/health-care-senate-democrats-supreme-court.html
Now what;s wrong with that? It’s a lie.
But it is one that Trump would have trouble disputing. (and he didn’t during the debate)
The issue, when and if explained, is that there is a lawsuit brought by some states, (that Trump decided to join in) that won an victory in some appeals court, challenging the PPACA that the Supreme Court is scheduled to hear a week after the election.
The problem with the claim – if that’s what he intends to claim – that Amy Barrett would destroy Obamacare is that Trump probably is not so interested in this case, and it’s a very legally unsound case
It basically argues that the Supreme Court upheld the individual mandate on the grounds it is tax, and that by zeroing it out, Congress eliminated the tax, and that other provisions in Obamacare like making it illegal to set higher rates for insuring people with pre-existing conditions would have to fall because that part of the law can’t be severed. The problem with that argument is 1) that the court never ruled that way, and 2) severability is an issue when you surprise Congress by knocking out some provisions of a law, but here when Congress zeroed out the individual mandate Congress knew exactly what it was getting.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/suit-challenging-aca-legally-suspect-but-threatens-loss-of-coverage-for-tens-of
Trump probably thinks he’s pandering by joining in in that lawsuit, but actually it’s political, if not legal, malpractice.
So anyway. Joe Biden got together with Nancy Pelosi and Charles Schumer to oppose confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett on the grounds that she’ll vote to knock out the Affordable Care Act. Without evidence as some media like to say.
Joe Biden also claimed 100 million people could be affected. As the Wall Street Journal wrote in an editorial, that number is way exaggerated and appears to be arrived at by including every person with some kind of a pre-existing condition who is not on Medicare or Medicaid. There are 160 million people getting insurance through employers who would not be affected (because they never excluded people with pre-existing conditions although they did, and still do I think, charge higher rates to eemployers with more medical costs)
The number of people with pre-existing conditions getting insurance through Obamacare is something like 2.7 million. And what they get is not all so great. Obamacare insurance usually has narrow networks. Many leading cancer hospitals are not in many policies and in Texas, Anderson does not take a single insurance policy sold through Obamacare.
Ad against that if course, is that Republicans have nit come up with any substitute. There are ideas on the right, but they probably involve spending money. The basic conservative idea is to take a lot of medical care out of the standard insurance system. (both routine care and high risk care. The problem is Republicans don’t want to pay for the high risk care, and there’s no way to make the numbers add up without it.)
There are other ideas like giving every citizen a refundable tax credit and you can come up with many ideas to attach to it to give people some kind of point of purchase interest in lower prices. I would tweak that a number of ways.
I would give a certain amount of credit that couldn’t be used for insurance and that would also go away if not used, some in one year and some more in two, and allow it to be used to purchase medical practice credit – but limit the amount any doctor or medical practice could have outstanding, and allow any excess also to be donated to someone else.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/4/2020 @ 8:12 pm608. . Paul Montagu (77c694) — 9/30/2020 @ 3:35 pm
Dr zelenko claims to have made astudy. HCQ only has a mild effect, and if you give it to people where isasuspicion of exposure most won;t come down with it anyway.
The virus may have been worse in Israel the second time because Netanyahu thought he beat it back when all he did was reset the clock back to February and they didn’t do lockdowns early the second time.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:01 pm