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9/16/2020

Oh, My: President Trump Campaigns For Joe Biden

Filed under: General — Dana @ 10:43 am



[guest post by Dana]

I know this is low-hanging fruit but it’s also Trump at his most Trumpian. Confused, indignant at being confronted about a hot-button issue, deflecting, assigning blame to someone else, and making excuses for his actions. In other words, offering everything but a well-thought-out, logical explanation for his decisions:

President Donald Trump caused some confusion during an ABC News town hall on Tuesday when he criticized Democratic nominee Joe Biden for not following through on a pledge to institute a mask mandate to control the spread of COVID-19 – even though Biden does not hold office – and citing restaurant servers as a group opposed to the use of masks…

“The wearing of masks has proven to lessen the spread of COVID. Why don’t you support a mandate for national mask-wearing? And why don’t you wear a mask more often?” asked Bard, who said she voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

“Well, I do wear them when I have to, and when I’m in hospitals and other locations,” Trump replied. “But I will say this: They said at the Democrat convention they’re going to do a national mandate. They never did it, because they’ve checked out and they didn’t do it. And a good question is, you ask why Joe Biden – they said we’re going to do a national mandate on masks.”

Moderator George Stephanopoulos pointed out that Biden encouraged governors to institute mask mandates.

“Well no, but he didn’t do it. I mean, he never did it,” Trump said.

He added that a lot of people don’t want to wear masks:

“A lot of people don’t want to wear masks,” Trump said, immediately after his criticism of Biden for not implementing a mandate. “A lot of people think that masks are not good,” he added.

“Who are those people?” asked Stephanopoulos.

“I’ll tell you who those people are: waiters,” Trump said. “They come over and they serve you, and they have a mask. And I saw it the other day where they were serving me, and they’re playing with the mask. I’m not blaming them, I’m just saying what happens. They’re playing with the mask, so the mask is over, and they’re touching it, and then they’re touching the plate. That can’t be good.”

[Ed. By this “logic,” Trump should then be praising Biden for *not* implementing a mask mandate in Trump’s imaginary world.]

I can’t even. The President seems determined to ignore the pandemic at all costs. Deny the efficacy of masks and the effectiveness of wearing one, and act as if his wishcasting has worked. Anything but face the fact that he is the President of the United States, we are in the middle of a pandemic, and that the buck stops with him.

–Dana

138 Responses to “Oh, My: President Trump Campaigns For Joe Biden”

  1. I think Trump should avoid accusing Biden of not being all-there mentally…

    Dana (292df6)

  2. Which Clinton did George Stephanopoulos work for?

    There are so many.;-)

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  3. I wonder how many of his supporters will buy this? There is a strong trend to take any criticism of Trump and ask “whatabout” someone else.

    Time123 (89dfb2)

  4. Which Clinton did George Stephanopoulos work for?

    There are so many.;-)

    Cool story bro, is there a point in there, or you just wanted to tell a story?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  5. Which Clinton did George Stephanopoulos work for?

    That doesn’t matter here, DCSCA. We can read the transcript ourselves, as well as watch the President make the comments.

    Dana (292df6)

  6. 90 minutes in the batting cage, swings at every pitch.

    No teleprompter.

    JoeyBee’s ‘on deck’ w/CNN.

    “No miracle is coming.”- Joe Biden

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. You should change the title to “…campaigns for the Harris-Biden Campaign”

    Both Biden and Harris have called their campaign that.

    Hoi Polloi (093fb9)

  8. Biden weighs in on Trump’s performance last night.

    Boy. That Town Hall turned into a, into a Frown Hall. For the president. Ha, hell of a thing.

    It was another firehose of lies.

    Paul Montagu (1fbb64)

  9. um that was the contraindicated by fauci and the cdc themselves, that’s very near beer, but when you’re rooting for a candidate who is one twitch away from a captain oveur collapse,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  10. It was another firehose of lies.

    Like shooting fish in barrel.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  11. of course, he needed a teleprompter to go on corden,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  12. @6. Of course it does.

    “Transcripts” don’t matter; they lack the impact of the visual. If you watched it- and I did; it was a television event– he did quite well– it was a busy day for POTUS–peace in the mideast at lunch and a 90 minute give and before days end. And all the time watching it, you had to as yourself, ‘can Hidin’ Biden stand up to this sort of thing’ for a relentless 90 minutes?

    No.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  13. actually it’s a wider problem with latinos, that’s why politico is there with a trowel,

    https://babalublog.com/2020/09/15/biden-has-a-cuban-problem-in-florida/#comments

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  14. @9. See how Plagiarist JoeyBee does w/AC on CNN Thursday.

    No mircle is coming.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. This goes right to why I’ve never liked Trump. It’s Ok to get a call wrong. It’s OK to make a call others don’t agree with. But be a man about it. Trump made his decisions and should just explain why he did. It’s a complex world and we can all disagree about a lot of things, but just take a little responsibility.

    Instead, Trump never, ever does this. He always starts whining about someone else, blaming his conduct on others, saying it’s ‘fake news’, every time. It’s reduced our nation’s prestige and stability to be governed like that. Compare to Bush 43 when he had to own a decision that didn’t work.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  16. JoeyBee’s ‘on deck’ w/CNN.

    “No miracle is coming.”- Joe Biden

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/16/2020 @ 10:58 am

    You’ve mentioned this one a lot, but I think it’s OK to admit there’s no miracle coming. If we solve the pandemic through shared sacrifices or medical breakthroughs, that’s hard work, not a miracle.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  17. Which Clinton did George Stephanopoulos work for?

    That doesn’t matter here, DCSCA. We can read the transcript ourselves, as well as watch the President make the comments.

    Dana (292df6) — 9/16/2020 @ 10:57 am

    It matters immensely to him, far more then what actually was said.

    Time123 (89dfb2)

  18. What these guys say essentially doesn’t matter. How they look and present themselves on television does.

    Nobody remembers what JFK or Nixon “said” – they do remember JFK looked better on television. Radio listeners though RN won but TeeVee watchers concluded JFK did.

    Television will decide this. And Trump has Biden beat on that across the board.

    The medium is the message. – Marshall McLuhan

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. Trump: I’m not looking to be dishonest. I don’t want people to panic. And we are going to be OK. We’re going to be OK, and it is going away. And it’s probably going to go away now a lot faster because of the vaccines. It would go away without the vaccine, George, but it’s going to go away a lot faster with it.

    Stephanopoulos: It would go away without the vaccine?

    Trump: Sure, over a period of time. Sure, with time it goes away.

    Stephanopoulos: And many deaths.

    Trump: And you’ll develop — you’ll develop herd — like a herd mentality.

    In TrumpWorld, “a herd mentality” can cure anything!

    Dave (1bb933)

  20. Instead, Trump never, ever does this.

    He has learned over a lifetime, that if one filibusters and bullies and blames others, whether in business, relationships, and even the presidency, there is no need to accept responsibility for his actions. And what has made that possible are the weak people with whom he surrounds himself. And as the President, his “yes” men/women, and perhaps more importantly, his loyal base who believe he can do no wrong, and if it appears he has done something wrong, they have been trained to follow his lead and blame someone else. This is not America at its best.

    Dana (292df6)

  21. @19, your initial comment was that GS worked for a Clinton, not that Trump looked good. Try to keep your story straight.

    Time123 (b0628d)

  22. @21, that approach fails when you run into something that can’t be decided with marketing, such as CV-19

    Time123 (b0628d)

  23. It matters immensely to him, far more then what actually was said.

    Time123 (89dfb2) — 9/16/2020 @ 11:13 am

    And that speaks to where his loyalties lie.

    Dana (292df6)

  24. @19. He did. And it speaks volumes.

    News organizations who hire ex-political operatives to play the role of ‘objective journalists’ are instantly suspect.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  25. Agreed, time123. That approach doesn’t work when people keep burying their loved ones, can’t get a job, see how the world views us. Had Trump stayed in real estate, fake universities, and reality TV, he would be fine, but what he does matters more than what practically anyone else does, and he doesn’t want to take responsibility for it.

    Trump wants a world where Biden is responsible for our nation’s COVID policy. And Trump gets what he wants.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  26. I agree, Time123. And we can see that he is confused and puzzled as to why his usual tactics aren’t working like they have in the past. The pandemic is a different animal, and one that he can’t control through manipulation, bullying, deflection, or any of his usual assertions of power. It’s very sad because we are suffering the results of his inability to function with a normal and healthy mindset of a president who puts the needs of the country before his own.

    Dana (292df6)

  27. STEPHANOPOULOS: I want to ask you about China, though, because at that time, you were actually praising President Xi. You were saying he was transparent, you were saying he was strong. You were saying he was doing a good job.

    Did you get that wrong? Did you misjudge President Xi?

    TRUMP: I don’t think I did. We just finished a trade deal. We just had the largest order of corn in the history of our country last week…..

    Ain’t that the truth.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  28. Part of the problem is that there are far too many people who are willing to make excuses for Trump, and that is to the nation’s detriment. If the seat of power is not held to account with rigor and consistencies, chaos ensues. That is a frightening place to find ourselves.

    Dana (292df6)

  29. @20. The Trump you saw last night [if you watched] is essentially the same Trump NYers saw and ‘herd’ when he was spawned an nurtured in the excess cesspool of Reagan’s go-go 1980s conservative ideologues championed.

    It’s the same lounge act you could catch in an Atlantic City casino, on NBC TV’s ‘The Apprentice’ and lately, on the WH lawn. He is entertainment.

    He is you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. STEPHANOPOULOS: You were saying it was going to disappear.

    TRUMP: What?

    STEPHANOPOULOS: You were saying it was going to disappear.

    TRUMP: It is going to disappear. It’s going to disappear, I still say it.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: But not if we don’t take action, correct?

    TRUMP: No, I still say it. It’s going to disappear, George. We’re going to get back – we’re not going to have studios like this, where you have all of this empty space in between.

    I want to see people, and you want to see people. I want to see football games. I’m pushing very hard for Big Ten, I want to see Big Ten open – let the football games – let them play sports.

    But no, it’s going to disappear, George, and I say this –

    ………

    Obligatory Kevin Bacon reference.

    Rip Murdock (d28125)

  31. @21. This not America at its best.

    It is the America we’ve created. Revisit the bowl of entertainment maple syrup on YouTube of the film an TeeVee star studded Dutch Reagan gala in 1986. “America” swooned then; it swears now.

    It has taken 35 years to auger in from Reagan to Trump. It is the America we’ve let be created.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. One of Biden’s quotes:

    Every governor should mandate mandatory mask wearing. … It’s not about your rights. It’s about your responsibilities as an American

    say’s the man who people claim will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. Also

    “Yes, I would from an executive standpoint, yes I would,” he said, to which the interviewer asked if he would then be mandating mask-wearing.

    “I would do everything possible to make it required the people had to wear masks in public”

    But then after some wind sniffing he changed his tune.

    Harris initially called this brave leadership

    “What real leadership looks like is Joe Biden, willing to speak up, sometimes telling us the stuff that we don’t necessarily want to hear but we need to know,” said Harris. “And the need for this mandatory mask wearing will also be about what Joe has articulated, and what a Biden/Harris administration will do.”

    when it was clearly problematic from the start. When the polling, and people with some common sense, pointed out the problems they walked back “stuff that we don’t necessarily want to hear” like the brave leaders they are. All the while patting themselves on the back for being brave leaders.

    If this was brave leadership then stand by it. Instead the wind turns and Biden/Harris change direction. The real issue becomes how Trump bungled his attempt to call them on it. Followed by comments about “but Biden isn’t POTUS” with the commenters hoping no one notices that’s the job is auditioning for. We’ve got to wait until Biden is POTUS before we expect him to be clear and consistent.

    frosty (f27e97)

  33. Trump got destroyed by “America’s Got Talent” last night which drew a whopping 30% more viewers.

    With each episode even more predictable and less funny than the last, our low-budget, low-ratings President is clearly headed for cancellation (and when he pleaded for a weekly half-hour show earlier Tuesday, Fox’s response was “yeah, uh, don’t call us, we’ll call you”)

    You see, Americans don’t want to be lied to; they want to be entertained.

    Dave (1bb933)

  34. Take Trump out of the picture for just a moment.

    There are plenty to debate the effectiveness on these mask policies.

    Take for instance, this anesthesiologist’s take:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrPCgh4UkAU

    If we’re going to appeal to authority here, shouldn’t we at least consider this anesthesiologist’s take?

    The fact of the matter, the science about droplet and aerosol transmissions is still fluid. In the face of uncertainty, it’s one thing to consider something in the hopes that it’d have impact (ie, mask mandates), but it’s totally another when it impacts people’s ability to make a living (ie, shutdown mandates).

    Funny enough, those blue medical surgical mask that you see at the hospital and that you can buy now. Look at the warning labels. I’ve seen about 5 different manufacturers at my work having the same sort of verbiage, stating:

    WARNING: THIS PRODUCT IS AN EAR LOOK MASK. THIS PRODUCT IS NOT A RESPIRATOR AND WILL NOT PROVIDE ANY PROTECTION AGAINST COVID-19 OR OTHER VIRUSES OR CONTAMINANTS.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=surgical+mask+box+warning&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiF_L6Opu7rAhUEe6wKHWLcB4UQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=surgical+mask+box+warning&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1DIcVjjgAFgqYMBaAJwAHgDgAGYBIgBkhySAQkxLjMtMS41LjKYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=bVhiX8WRKoT2sQXiuJ-oCA&bih=723&biw=1536#imgrc=UQkD1GbjZG9RUM&imgdii=3oHDkBQIBDEMKM

    I saw ONE n95 manufacturer stating the same kind of verbiage, the others didn’t have anything like that on the package box, but may have package inserts stating the same thing. (I’ll try to get my hands on some if I can… I’m genuinely curious what those states). Which is interesting because n95 masks ARE rated as respirators (you breath exclusively in/out of the mask). N95 masks are rated for as small as 5 μm particles and viral particles can be much smaller than that, even aerosolized).
    https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-lied-to-dramatically-about-masks

    …the Occupational Safety and Health Administration issued guidance for respiratory protection for workers exposed to people with the virus. It stated clearly what governments had said all along about other forms of airborne contamination, such as smoke inhalation — “Surgical masks and eye protection (e.g., face shields, goggles) were provided as an interim measure to protect against splashes and large droplets (note: surgical masks are not respirators and do not provide protection against aerosol-generating procedures).”

    This is why the CDC, as late as May, was citing the 10 randomized controlled trials that showed “no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks.” The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford also summarized six international studies which “showed that masks alone have no significant effect in interrupting the spread of ILI or influenza in the general population, nor in healthcare workers.

    The conclusion was as clear as it is jarring to the current cult-like devotion to mask-wearing. “Review of RCTs indicates that N95 respirators and surgical masks are probably associated with similar risk for influenza-like illness and laboratory-confirmed viral infections in high- and low-risk settings.” The study noted that only one trial did show “a small decrease in risk” for infection when doctors wore N95s in high-risk settings, but even that evidence was scant.

    Hell… the CDC recently updated their warnings about using masks to combat against smoke inhalation for those impacted by the NorthWest fires by saying that smoke particles are smaller than the filter capability of the common cloth mask to N95 masks. The irony here is that viral particles are even smaller than even smoke particles.

    Now, to wrap this post up I’ll bring Trump back into the picture. He shouldn’t be making these statements. NO president should be doing that. So, yes, he’s opening up attack avenues by making these statements.

    This has become politicized to the point where it’s extremely difficult to have a meaningful conversation on what our policy should be.

    whembly (fcc090)

  35. The President attempts to blame Joe Biden for not implementing a national mask mandate

    Biden said he would, and then, after maybe he discovered a national mask mandate would be unpopular, Biden said he wouldn’t because a president doesn’t have the power to do that.

    Like as if nobody on his staff had discovered it until then, like as if it wasn’t a Trump-like ignoring of the law in the first place. At first, Biden;s campaign clarified it but then he abandoned the whole idea.

    Trump got his words all wrong, of course.

    “They never did (?) it, because they’ve checked out and they didn’t do (?) it. And a good question is, you ask why Joe Biden [withdrew the proposal] – they said we’re going to do a national mandate on masks.” [And Biden’s real reason for withdrawing the proposal] is not the reason he gave for taking it back]

    Sammy Finkelman (42d229)

  36. Dana (292df6) — 9/16/2020 @ 11:17 am

    He learned this from his time with D’s in NY. What you’ve described is the D playbook that was perfected with Clinton. It’s still working for the D’s and it isn’t really failing Trump.

    frosty (f27e97)

  37. Dave (1bb933) — 9/16/2020 @ 11:40 am

    You see, Americans don’t want to be lied to; they want to be entertained.

    Then Biden is a lost cause. The Weekend at Bernie’s thing wasn’t really funny from the beginning. I got a laugh from him waving to no one as he got off the plane and from some of the gaffes but if I watch him for more than a couple minutes it’s just sad. The people putting him through this are horrible.

    frosty (f27e97)

  38. This has become politicized to the point where it’s extremely difficult to have a meaningful conversation on what our policy should be.

    whembly (fcc090) — 9/16/2020 @ 11:41 am

    Ain’t that the truth

    Dustin (4237e0)

  39. This reminds me of Trump’s disastrous interview with Axios.

    Biden had an awesome Axios interview because he ran away and refused to have one.

    One candidate engages with hostile media (Stephanopoulos!! LOL), and the other runs away from his own cheerleaders. Guess who wins accolades here.

    beer ‘n pretzels (a6fbf9)

  40. @29. And far to many people are willing to give Joe Biden a pass.

    He s a bad candidate. And no truly ‘principled ideological conservative’ would vote for him– but many are, they’re fleeing only because they’ve been Bill Buckley’d out of party control. Tat’s the bottom line. Did ‘Rockefeller Republicans’ abandoned the GOP when ideological conservativism infested party control? No- for the most part, they remained loyal to the party even in opposition an certainly woud not support the other party’s candidate.

    For God’s sake, Dana, Biden literally QUIT his 1988 presidential campaign because of repeated acts of plagiarism. No toughing it out for this guy. You think Trump would have quit? Hell, no.

    You wanna make excuses for John Edwards or give him a pass? Or Howard Dean? Or ‘no new taxes’ GHWB; or no WMB Dubya? Or swift-boater Kerry? Or ‘I knocked up Nancy w/Patti’ Ronnie?

    Trump is a transition; cleaning house of the hollowed deadwood. Suck it up ideologues. Support your party– and look to 2024.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  41. If we’re going to appeal to authority here, shouldn’t we at least consider this anesthesiologist’s take?

    Why would we care what an anesthesiologist thinks?

    When your car’s transmission is busted, do you take it to a bump and paint shop?

    If you have heart trouble, are you content when your podiatrist says it’s probably nothing?

    All that shows is that masks aren’t air-tight. We knew that.

    And he wasn’t exhaling normally, either. If he had exhaled the same way without a mask, it would have filled the whole room.

    Dave (1bb933)

  42. @42 Do you even know what an anesthesiologist does and is trained to do?

    whembly (fcc090)

  43. with friends like the examiner,

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/is-the-mandalorians-gina-carano-a-happy-warrior

    you had mr. personality in dukakis, and gore was like a block or wood,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  44. Do you even know what an anesthesiologist does and is trained to do?

    Yes.

    It has nothing to do with infectious diseases.

    Dave (1bb933)

  45. biden proposes an unworkable solution and unconstitutional solution that he walked away from, history suggests they will implement it anyways, see daca and darpa, or the hillary health care that obama adopted,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  46. note: surgical masks are not respirators and do not provide protection against aerosol-generating procedures).”

    But in the beginning the WHO pretended that the only thing that mattered were large particles and aerosols dropped out of the air – but you could get through toc=c=uching surfaces – which is we had – and still have – these massive cleanings.

    Even if you contended it worked, how can they mandate it without double blind studies like they want for medicines and vaccines?

    But still, I said on Patterico, masks could reduce the exposure, and that could amount to avaccination – and now the scientific world has caught up with me:

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2026913

    it’s possible that one of the pillars of Covid-19 pandemic control — universal facial masking — might help reduce the severity of disease and ensure that a greater proportion of new infections are asymptomatic. If this hypothesis is borne out, universal masking could become a form of “variolation” that would generate immunity and thereby slow the spread of the virus in the United States and elsewhere, as we await a vaccine.

    It was said on Patterico first.

    I found this:

    http://patterico.com/2020/04/01/the-rights-callous-rhetoric-about-coronavirus-deaths

    I quoted from a New York Times Op-ed there @245:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/opinion/coronavirus-viral-dose.html

    The importance of viral dose is being overlooked in discussions of the coronavirus. As with any other poison, viruses are usually more dangerous in larger amounts. Small initial exposures tend to lead to mild or asymptomatic infections, while larger doses can be lethal.

    Sammy Finkelman (42d229)

  47. 45. Surgery has a lot to do with infectious diseases.

    Sammy Finkelman (42d229)

  48. @34. Softcore wins every time, Davey. Image over substance; watching shapely, glittery, skimpily-clad babes doing their moves is as American as getting your kick viewing the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders.

    “Sometimes it’s easier living the lie.” – Carl Hanratty [Tom Hanks] ‘Catch Me If You Can’ 2002

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  49. STEPHANOPOULOS: You were saying it was going to disappear.

    This is quoted like as if it’s not true.

    Sammy Finkelman (42d229)

  50. Surgery has a lot to do with infectious diseases.

    Well if so, that’s very odd, since the masks doctors and nurses wear in surgery are identical to the ones that this yutz was trying to tell us don’t do any good…

    Dave (1bb933)

  51. @38. ‘The people putting him through this are horrible.’

    Stop making excuses for Biden!!!

    IT IS HIS CAMPAIGN. Joe’s in charge.

    Or isn’t he?!?! Let’s take a “Harris Poll.” 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  52. People advocating lockdowns and masks as te way to go may be echoing Communist Chinese propaganda:

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-covid-lockdown-propaganda

    As more countries shut down, some suspicious online activity took a darker turn. When South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem famously refused to issue a statewide lockdown, suspicious accounts began filling her Twitter feed with abuse and graphic language to pressure her to do so. Upon closer examination, two of the accounts hurl similar abuse at governors thousands of miles apart…The CCP has shaped scientific narratives by consistently promoting the falsehood that “China controlled the virus.” …The fact that Chinese state media so widely shared a particularly credulous New Yorker article by Peter Hessler about China’s coronavirus response did not escape China expert Geremie Barmé, who cautioned its author that it reminded him of “another American journalist, a man who reported from another authoritarian country nearly a century ago … Walter Duranty …”

    Within China, the CCP has pretended to believe its own lies only at its own convenience, reserving the right to use COVID-19 as a pretext for unrelated authoritarian whims—demolishing retirement homes, detaining dissidents and reporters, expanding mass surveillance, canceling Hong Kong’s Tiananmen Square vigil and postponing its elections for one year. In Xinjiang, where over 1 million Uighurs are imprisoned, lockdowns have gone on since January and have involved widespread hunger, forced medication, acidic disinfectant sprays, shackled residents, screams of protest from balconies, crowded “quarantine” cells, and outright disappearances.

    screams of protest from balconies, crowded “quarantine” cells, and outright disappearances.

    The most benign possible explanation for the CCP’s campaign for global lockdowns is that the party aggressively promoted the same lie internationally as domestically—that lockdowns worked. For party members, when Wuhan locked down it likely went without saying that the lockdown would “eliminate” coronavirus; if Xi willed it to be true, then it must be so. This is the totalitarian pathology that George Orwell called “double-think.” But the fact that authoritarian regimes always lie does not give them a right to spread deadly lies to the rest of the world, especially by clandestine means….

    There are more purposes to interfere other than to try to sway an election.

    Sammy Finkelman (42d229)

  53. This last sentence is mine: There are more purposes to interfere other than to try to sway an election.

    Sammy Finkelman (42d229)

  54. This reminds me of Trump’s disastrous interview with Axios.

    Biden had an awesome Axios interview because he ran away and refused to have one.

    One candidate engages with hostile media (Stephanopoulos!! LOL), and the other runs away from his own cheerleaders. Guess who wins accolades here.

    beer ‘n pretzels (a6fbf9) — 9/16/2020 @ 11:53 am

    Under whose leadership and tenure has this pandemic occurred? Not Biden’s. If he had been the sitting president, and had screwed up in a fashion similar to Trump, I would have no hesitation in raking him over the coals with equal fervor. The problem seems to be that you don’t seem to grasp that there are those of us who would criticize any sitting president who had wasted time and exampled poor leadership during such a monumental crisis as the pandemic. Perhaps that is because you and others would be unwilling to extend criticism to a sitting president whom you favor. Perhaps a president’s political persuasion rather than their actions is what determines how you would react.

    Dana (292df6)

  55. China may have controlled the virus but more through strict lockdowns than through masks.

    Sammy Finkelman (42d229)

  56. @45

    Yes.

    It has nothing to do with infectious diseases.

    Dave (1bb933) — 9/16/2020 @ 12:04 pm

    I’m telling you 100%, you are incorrect. I work with them.

    whembly (fcc090)

  57. @55. Running against hurricanes, pandemics or thunderstorms is not a foolish, wasteful strategy.

    Mother Nature wins every time.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  58. Boy. That Town Hall turned into a, into a Frown Hall. For the president.

    Oh my goodness. I would like to think that some staffer managing his Slow Joe’s account came up with that sick burn, but I have a feeling it was the dinosaur man himself. Heaven help us, we are down to a choice between two raging idiots.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  59. Trump has pushed treatments and that is good and not bad. Initially, the CDC was telling the White House coronavirus task force that they could contain the virus.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-scott-gottlieb-discusses-coronavirus-on-face-the-nation-september-13-2020

    And what CDC officials were relying on and telling the coronavirus task force was that there was no spread of coronavirus in the United States in February, they were telling them that because they were looking at what we call the influenza-like illness surveillance network, basically a surveillance network of who’s presenting to hospitals with flu-like symptoms. And they said that they’re seeing no spike in people presenting with respiratory symptoms, therefore, coronavirus must not be spreading. And they were adamant about that. I was talking to White House officials over this time period. They [the CDC officials that is] were adamant about that.

    so the problem was tat Mike Pence listened to the experts, the scientists, and Donald Trump listened to Mike Pence.

    Of course, their tests didn’t work, and they had no follow-up and it was contagious before obvious symptoms arose because the virus progressed slowly, unlike SARS and MERS, and a lot of people didn;t get very sick.

    Sammy Finkelman (42d229)

  60. SF: Surgery has a lot to do with infectious diseases.

    Dave (1bb933) — 9/16/2020 @ 12:23 pm

    Well if so, that’s very odd, since the masks doctors and nurses wear in surgery are identical to the ones that this yutz was trying to tell us don’t do any good…

    They work pretty well against a person at the operating table infecting the person on whom surgery is performed because they prevent coughs and sneezes from putting something infectious inside the patient.

    Sammy Finkelman (42d229)

  61. I’m telling you 100%, you are incorrect. I work with them.

    LOL

    An anesthesiologist is a specialist trained to administer anesthetic.

    Hence the name.

    But tell me – all these anesthesiologists you work with – do they cover their faces in the surgical theater?

    Dave (1bb933)

  62. Later the powers that be said: “Well, you know, it could work the other way, too. It was proven by using mask material as curtains on hamster cages.”

    Sammy Finkelman (42d229)

  63. @62 Do you want to learn something or continue on snarking?

    Here, I’ll get you started: Who’s responsible in the operating room for ensuring that the patient receives their prophylactic antibiotics? Answer: The Anesthesiologist. There’s all sorts of different reasons why…

    whembly (fcc090)

  64. @29. And far to many people are willing to give Joe Biden a pass.

    He s a bad candidate. And no truly ‘principled ideological conservative’ would vote for him–

    If you think Trump’s a bigger threat you might, but not because Biden earned that somehow.

    Biden literally QUIT his 1988 presidential campaign because of repeated acts of plagiarism. No toughing it out for this guy. You think Trump would have quit? Hell, no.

    He is going to be a tepid leader. On the other hand, he doesn’t seem to be the brain-dead passenger some have claimed. On interviews, he’s overly careful in how he speaks, but he does seem to be thinking things through, not reading a script. And this is a man at the end of his life, who wanted to be president most of his life, and I don’t think he wants to do it for nothing.

    I won’t praise Biden, but compared to Trump this isn’t really a tough call.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  65. NBC News
    @NBCNews

    2 months after top Pentagon officials vowed to get to the bottom of whether the Russian gov’t bribed Taliban to kill US service members, the commander in the region says a review of the intel has not been able to corroborate the existence of such a program
    __ _

    Cliff Sims
    @Cliff_Sims
    ·
    1. Anonymous leak of salacious info
    2. Reporters go buck wild with it
    3. Officials go on the record denying it
    4. Reporters “stand by their reporting”
    5. News cycles are dominated
    6. The story is debunked but there’s no accountability for reporters who got it wrong
    6. Repeat

    _

    harkin (064346)

  66. @64 Your question about whether or not the periop staff wearing masks is a red herring. Of course they do wear them and that are TRAINED to be clean room compliant. As such, they know HOW to secure and use their PPE.

    That training is near non-existant out in the public. I can’t tell you how many times my eyes twitch whenever I see regular folks wear their masks and PPE stuff incorrectly, to such degree that they’re actually increasing their risks for infections.

    whembly (fcc090)

  67. @65. “This isn’t really a tough call.”

    Indeed- Trump for the win.

    [BTW, congrats on the new baby.]

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  68. ‘The president’s first responsibility is to protect the American people.’- Hidin’ Biden Wilmington, DE 9/16/2020

    No, Joe.

    The president’s ‘first’ responsibility is to faithfully execute the office and to the best of one’s ability, ‘preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  69. O.M.G.

    Biden takes questions needs a list to call on the 8 or 9 reporters on hand in circles.

    There’s a specified order. Why? Does he have a transceiver in his ear for answers from staff off stage?

    So sad.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  70. Question to Biden: “Why do you think President Trump polls better on economic issues than you?”

    Biden: “Because I’ve been out of office for four years.”

    ROFLMAO

    Comedy Gold.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  71. harkin (064346) — 9/16/2020 @ 12:57 pm

    Truth doesn’t matter. Media and Democrats lied. Now all the people will remember is the initial lie. Media won’t retract; Democrats don’t care.

    Hoi Polloi (093fb9)

  72. Biden only saw tail end of Trump town hall but comments on reports.

    “Let’s see… Number Five!” – says Biden.

    O.M.G.

    Watching Biden stoop over to pick names off this list of his is like watching a great grandfather choose the Early Bird Special off a menu.

    The televised projection of weakness an facility by this old fella is just astounding.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. There is regulatory authority for a national mask mandate. It’s the same authority Trump has used to implement the national eviction ban.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  74. ^ fraility

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. This is frightening to watch.

    No way on God’s Earth should Biden be elected.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  76. He is going to be a tepid leader.

    At best. More likely, he’s the figurehead while Harris runs things from behind the scenes. And as long as Biden gets to grope and rub, he’ll be fine with that.

    Hoi Polloi (093fb9)

  77. Those Biden ‘Gaffes’? Some Key Voters Actually Like Them

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/16/2020 @ 1:21 pm

    Written by the same scribes who brought up terms like “funemployment”

    Hoi Polloi (093fb9)

  78. he says he knew how to stop to the pandemic, and then proposed the mask mandate, which he retracted, so sowing panic is all they have.

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  79. 67. whembly (fcc090) — 9/16/2020 @ 12:57 pm

    I can’t tell you how many times my eyes twitch whenever I see regular folks wear their masks and PPE stuff incorrectly,

    It’s security theatre. as the messages by the MTA in New York say, it’s to show respect. That;s the best argument that they can make. I think they mean for your fellow passengers, but it realy means respect for the people who are attempting to fight against Covid.

    to such degree that they’re actually increasing their risks for infections.

    How so?

    Sammy Finkelman (42d229)

  80. what does it matter really, as long as needless pain is inflicted on the families of servicemen,

    https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/09/16/commander-claim-russians-paid-bounties-killing-us-troops-still-not-verified/

    like the sludge from two weeks ago, in the atlantic,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  81. Indeed- Trump for the win.

    [BTW, congrats on the new baby.]

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/16/2020 @ 12:58 pm

    Thanks my friend. We’ll have to disagree about Trump, but as a consolation prize, whoever loses this election deserved to lose. Most of us can agree on that much.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  82. @77. Some people like scrapple, too.

    “=Smack= Please, sir! May I have another. =Smack=” Chip Diller [Kevin Bacon] – ‘National Lampoon’s Animal House’ 1978

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  83. @66

    NBC News
    @NBCNews

    2 months after top Pentagon officials vowed to get to the bottom of whether the Russian gov’t bribed Taliban to kill US service members, the commander in the region says a review of the intel has not been able to corroborate the existence of such a program
    __ _

    Cliff Sims
    @Cliff_Sims
    ·
    1. Anonymous leak of salacious info
    2. Reporters go buck wild with it
    3. Officials go on the record denying it
    4. Reporters “stand by their reporting”
    5. News cycles are dominated
    6. The story is debunked but there’s no accountability for reporters who got it wrong
    6. Repeat
    _

    harkin (064346) — 9/16/2020 @ 12:57 pm

    See this:
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/the-russian-bounties-story-turns-out-to-be-trash-journalism/


    The story was based entirely on unidentified sources — “officials spoke on the condition of anonymity” — but saying that this was something “the United States concluded months ago” would lead many readers to think that this was a strongly supported consensus finding of the intelligence community. Two days later, a Times report by Savage, Mashal, Schmitt, Rukmini Callimachi, Adam Goldman, Fahim Abed, Najim Rahim, Helene Cooper and Nicholas Fandos — we’re now up to ten reporters from the Times, if you’re keeping score — not only assured us that the claim was supported by hard evidence, but also strongly implied that the bounties had actually been paid

    Of course, U.S. intelligence hears things all the time that may or may not be true. Sifting the reports that are reliable from those that are either uncertain or unlikely is a tricky job requiring careful attention to the facts and knowledge of the local context of the sourcing. It is all but impossible for even the most informed news consumer to evaluate anonymously reported allegations drawn from raw intelligence, especially in a place such as Afghanistan. This is why it is so hazardous to report solely from anonymous sources who can never face accountability for being wrong, and so crucial for reporting on intelligence to be honest and clear about whether or not journalists are reporting a widely accepted finding as opposed to an unproven theory kicking around the intel community.

    In other words, not only is there not a consensus intelligence finding, there is a consensus view among the military brass that the story hasn’t been proven

    .

    whembly (c30c83)

  84. Servicemen (MPs) are being quarantine in virtual solitary confinement in Guantanamo Bay – even though they’ve already been in quarantine in Texas.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/13/us/politics/guantanamo-coronavirus-quarantine.html

    Sammy Finkelman (96f386)

  85. I don’t think the relationship between Russia and the Taliban was so arms length that they had to pay bounties. Russia was giving them military advice too.

    I think there’s no doubt that bounties were paid, and a person in charge took refuge in Russia after it was discovered but who made the decision is another story.

    One way the story has been covered all wrong is that this was being treated like it was still ongoing.

    Sammy Finkelman (96f386)

  86. Top health officials warn America won’t return to normal soon
    …..
    The number of new infections has decreased nationwide by 48 percent following a spike beginning around Memorial Day, while the number of coronavirus patients in intensive care units has dropped by 62 percent and deaths have fallen 33 percent over the same period, (HHS testing czar Brett) Giroir said during a Senate hearing.

    Still, Giroir and CDC Director Robert Redfield hammered home warnings that America won’t return to a new normal anytime soon, even as President Donald Trump insists the country has rounded the “final turn” in its battle against the coronavirus……..

    “Let me say emphatically that these gains could be fleeting or even reversed if we do not continue to follow the national plan and exercise personal responsibility, especially wearing masks and avoiding crowds,” Giroir told the Senate Appropriations Committee.

    Redfield implored Americans to continue to use “the powerful tools” of mask wearing and social distancing, even after a vaccine is authorized. Once the first vaccine becomes available, perhaps as soon as this fall by some estimates, it will take six to nine months to vaccinate enough people to achieve enough immunity in the population, he predicted.
    ……
    “I might even go so far as to say that this facemask is more guaranteed to protect me against Covid than when I take the Covid vaccine because the immunogenicity may be 70 percent and if I don’t get an immune response to a vaccine it’s not going to protect me,” Redfield said. “This facemask will.”
    …….
    Obviously they haven’t listened to Trump.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  87. @81

    to such degree that they’re actually increasing their risks for infections.

    How so?

    Sammy Finkelman (42d229) — 9/16/2020 @ 1:28 pm

    There’s training involved to properly adorn/adjust your masks and ppe.

    One of the things about masks is to be sure it’s adjusted properly and leave it alone. Don’t fiddle with it every 30 seconds.

    Respiratory infections usually occurs based on contact transferal, where you touched something that has the viral particles and touch any of your mucus tissues. (eyes, nose and mouth). That’s why during flu season, you’ll hear from medical professionals to WASH your hands and refrain from touching your face.

    If you adjust your mask every 30 seconds, you’re increasing the chances of contact transferal.

    My favorite eye-twitching scenario is where folks go w/o mask, but wears latex gloves… they still touch their face with it! o.O

    Point being, you’re right that it’s “security theater” at this point, there’s even a case that it can increase infections in some cases as it can provide false sense of security.

    whembly (c30c83)

  88. The closing of the New York City subway system between before 1 am and 5 am is security theater too.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-subway-closure-overnight-pandemic-20200914-etzmxw5pijbszcythhmfonqope-story.html

    New York City’s subway system isn’t designed to grind to a halt. Subway yards simply don’t have enough space to hold the MTA’s 6,400 subway cars — and even if they did, trains would still have to move around for hours to be in position for the morning rush.

    So even though by Cuomo’s order the subways are shut in the wee hours, the MTA is still running empty trains on their regular schedule through the night. They’re off-limits to paying customers, though they are available to cops and MTA workers.

    Officially, the MTA says the closure is needed so trains can be thoroughly cleaned without passengers onboard. And a side benefit to the cleaning program, the MTA says, is that it allows construction crews to more efficiently handle repair projects.

    But people who work on the subways told the Daily News that the cleaning and construction could proceed without barring passengers.

    “We could absolutely find a way to clean the trains without closing the system,” said one high-ranking MTA source. “We’re already cleaning them during the day when the subway is open.”
    Even before the shutdown started, outside contractors hired by the MTA in April were cleaning trains for weeks by employing teams of 10 or more people to scrub subway cars at the end of every line.

    At some stations, the crews disinfect surfaces with an electrostatic sprayer. Sources said the subway does not need to be shut down for that tool to be used, just that passengers must be cleared from the car when they’re sprayed.

    It’s unclear what effect the cleaning has on eradicating COVID-19 from the subway — but MTA officials said it’s also important to make New Yorkers feel the subways are clean and safe so more people return to the system and start paying fares again.

    Security theater, in other words.

    But transit sources say the process of shutting down tracks or stations for overnight repair or construction has not changed since the 1 a.m. to 5 a.m. shutdown began.

    One transit source said Cuomo and his budget director Robert Mujica, who is also an MTA board member, “do not understand how subway construction works.”

    While some construction has moved up during the pandemic, the shutdown has not hastened any projects, the source said.

    Sammy Finkelman (96f386)

  89. 89. whembly (c30c83) — 9/16/2020 @ 2:04 pm

    Respiratory infections usually occurs based on contact transferal, where you touched something that has the viral particles and touch any of your mucus tissues. (eyes, nose and mouth).

    Wait a second! That’s not true. That false theory was developed for flu and carried over to Covid-19.

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/how-covid-19-is-spread-67143

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-surfaces-aerosols.html

    Sammy Finkelman (96f386)

  90. Not the right citations. But the truth is, 6 feet or 2 meters is not a limit, and surfaces are virtually a non factor.

    Sammy Finkelman (96f386)

  91. Who’s responsible in the operating room for ensuring that the patient receives their prophylactic antibiotics? Answer: The Anesthesiologist.

    So. What.

    Antibiotics, “prophylactic” or otherwise, are completely irrelevant to viral diseases.

    Masks are not 100% effective at preventing COVID transmission. Nobody with any sense claims they are. We don’t need a deceptive demonstration to prove it.

    The facts (which you have declined to address) are:

    1) The guy is emptying his lungs in one breath to make the biggest cloud he can, and

    2) Without a mask, the cloud would have filled the entire room

    3) When a lone anesthesiologist, who has no relevant specialized training, disagrees with the entire community of infectious and respiratory disease experts, only a fool would pay attention to him. Let him convince his expert colleagues before giving crackpot advice to the general public.

    Dave (1bb933)

  92. More likely, he’s the figurehead while Harris runs things from behind the scenes.

    I wouldn’t even imagine that Kamala Harris would be all that influential; I doubt that she has what it takes to successfully pull off a power play like that. What you are likely to see is the administration of the bureaucracy in which career employees at the state department along with perhaps a strong Secretary of State and some ambitious undersecretaries completely run foreign policy, the career folks the IRS and OMB alongside of Biden’s treasury people run tax and budget policy, HHS bureaucrats and admins handle the next iteration of Obamacare, and so on. My fear is that it will be a mostly unaccountable government doing whatever is best for their own interests. Sure, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer will have some contributions to make, but at best they will just nibble around the edges and pass grandstanding legislation that the bureaucracy will be free to ignore.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  93. @94

    Who’s responsible in the operating room for ensuring that the patient receives their prophylactic antibiotics? Answer: The Anesthesiologist.

    So. What.

    So what? Okay… we’re done here.

    whembly (c30c83)

  94. I disagree a bit, JVW. I think that party leaders will adopt and encourage a long-term assumption that Harris will be their nominee in 2024, and act accordingly.

    Dana (292df6)

  95. @95. Biden has wanted to be president his whole life. You really think he’s gonna take the oath and then retire to Camp David?

    Reminds me bit of the theories that if Trump won, he’d play golf for four years and let Pence run the country. Which sadly proved to be only half right…

    Dave (1bb933)

  96. Restaurant servers are hardly anti-mask. They may be against some of the more onerous mandates about changing their own masks, globes and handwashing between each contact with a customer. But that’s just the typical reaction to ass-covering rules created by people who don’t have to follow them.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  97. If I were Trump’s waiter, I wouldn’t wear a mask either, if I thought the Secret Service would let me get away with it.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  98. I disagree a bit, JVW. I think that party leaders will adopt and encourage a long-term assumption that Harris will be their nominee in 2024, and act accordingly.

    Biden will serve until sometime shortly after Jan 21, 2023, allowing Harris to run twice as an incumbent.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  99. Biden has wanted to be president his whole life. You really think he’s gonna take the oath and then retire to Camp David?

    I don’t think he is intellectually or even, sadly, cognitively capable of running the country. Neither is Trump for that matter, but at least Trump was used to being a CEO and arrived in the Oval Office with a general understanding of how to do what his advisors tell him to do while still pretending that it’s his idea. Executive power will be terra incognito for Biden, and he will spend his time deferring to what the longstanding figures from our fetid and corrupt federal bureaucracy, progressive lobbyists, and whichever Democrats get articles published in The Atlantic tell him to do.

    I think under Biden we would return to the Obama days in which your lot in life is pretty good provided you (1) work for the government, (2) work for an enterprise which is funded by the government, or (3) work to lobby the government on behalf of some party who needs something from government. I don’t at all blame the people who make their living that way, but it leaves tens of millions of our fellow citizens out in cold as far as economic policy goes.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  100. I disagree a bit, JVW. I think that party leaders will adopt and encourage a long-term assumption that Harris will be their nominee in 2024, and act accordingly.

    Yeah, I’m not at all a believer that Biden is going to step down any time before his term expires, I am suggesting that Biden because of his known limitations and his cognitive decline will not be a strong executive who will be shaping policy or effectively selling his plans to Congress or the American public. He’ll be a figurehead guy who pardons a turkey right before Thanksgiving, presides over the trimming of the “holiday” tree ceremony the first week in December, oversees the White House Easter egg hunt, and watches fireworks from the south portico on Independence Day. That’s about all.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  101. Dustin (4237e0) — 9/16/2020 @ 12:54 pm

    On the other hand, he doesn’t seem to be the brain-dead passenger some have claimed. On interviews, he’s overly careful in how he speaks, but he does seem to be thinking things through, not reading a script.

    Biden disagrees with you:

    “Cause if you could take care, if you were a quartermaster, you can sure in hell take care runnin’ a, you know, a department store uh, thing, you know, where, in the second floor of the ladies department or whatever, you know what I mean?”

    He speaks for a bit in this one but he had trouble making it 45s reading from the teleprompter on this trip. He’s fumbling by 3m and he’s doing a bad job trying to explain the model he’s referring to. His trouble with the teleprompter only brings attention to it. He mumbles over a variety of words, even easy ones.

    Given his inconsistent behavior I’m curious what combination of drugs he’s getting.

    frosty (f27e97)

  102. Actual policy in a Biden White House will be whatever the progressive activists, the entrenched Washington bureaucracy, and the elderly Democrat Congressional leaders can all agree upon. President Biden will just sign whatever is put in front of him.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  103. Actual policy in a Biden White House will be whatever the progressive activists, the entrenched Washington bureaucracy, and the elderly Democrat Congressional leaders can all agree upon. President Biden will just sign whatever is put in front of him.

    I agree with this. However, whichever group has the most power will see their agenda pushed through. The question is: which group or two groups would that be? The progs have an increasing number of members, and young Americans behind them. The elderly Congressional Dems are, well, just that. Whch of those will line up more closely with, or acquiesce to the entrenched bureaucrats?

    Dana (292df6)

  104. Given his inconsistent behavior I’m curious what combination of drugs he’s getting.

    frosty (f27e97) — 9/16/2020 @ 3:19 pm

    haha, probably something expensive

    Dustin (4237e0)

  105. ” He mumbles over a variety of words, even easy ones.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4B0GHQWRAo – Yosemite
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG8r_z5yukE – Anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJQ9hknvaQM – Thailand

    Davethulhu (7fdf23)

  106. The Yosemite one is the best, he couldn’t be more bored with the speech he’s reading.

    Davethulhu (7fdf23)

  107. Dustin (4237e0) — 9/16/2020 @ 3:29 pm

    We’re also back on with the mask mandates if I’m reading the timestamp on this video correctly. I’m guessing Trump’s comments about them running away from the mandates pushed him back towards an executive order.

    frosty (f27e97)

  108. Executive power will be terra incognito for Biden

    Dude, the guy was vice-president for eight years.

    Dave (1bb933)

  109. He’ll be a figurehead guy who pardons a turkey right before Thanksgiving, presides over the trimming of the “holiday” tree ceremony the first week in December, oversees the White House Easter egg hunt, and watches fireworks from the south portico on Independence Day. That’s about all.

    I think you’ve bought into Trump’s alternative reality wholesale…

    Dave (1bb933)

  110. Dude, the guy was vice-president for eight years

    Let me introduce you to John Nance Garner.

    Did you also think Walter Mondale and Dan Quayle were executive material?

    JVW (07b9bc)

  111. This is really continuation of my comment on the new “Dr. Trump” thread.

    Watchoo all talkin’? You think we got a President who actually presidents right now? Trump is the least presidential, most ineffectual, worthless, all-hat-ho-cattle, tits-on-a-bull, dead weight, President this country has had since King George III. The country is running itself and all he’s doing is messing with the channels on the radio.

    nk (1d9030)

  112. 94. Dave (1bb933) — 9/16/2020 @ 2:32 pm

    Masks are not 100% effective at preventing COVID transmission. Nobody with any sense claims they are. We don’t need a deceptive demonstration to prove it.

    Someone was featured on the CBS Evening News intro today holding one of those cheap blue/white masks (the street price was down last week in Brighton each to 30 cents ($3 for 10) or even 16 cents ($8 for 50)

    He was saying this protects me better than a vaccine.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/video/cbs-evening-news-headlines-for-wednesday-september-16-2020

    @45 seconds

    Sammy Finkelman (96f386)

  113. Did you also think Walter Mondale and Dan Quayle were executive material?

    They were both only VP for four years.

    Mondale would have been fine, apart from being liberal and kind of drab. He’d have done fine running against another mortal. I think he was as smart or smarter than Clinton, and a far better human being.

    I think Biden had a decent level of engagement in policy-making while VP. Closer to Cheney than to Quayle (which admittedly covers a lot of ground).

    Dave (1bb933)

  114. 102. JVW (ee64e4) — 9/16/2020 @ 3:13 pm

    …Biden…will spend his time deferring to what the longstanding figures from our fetid and corrupt federal bureaucracy

    That’s what he says he will do with regard to the coronavirus and the environment.

    , progressive lobbyists,

    He doesn’t say that, but he seems to have no ability not to defer at least rhetorically

    and whichever Democrats get articles published in The Atlantic tell him to do.

    Probably not really.

    Sammy Finkelman (96f386)

  115. And he got the abbotabad raid wrong overruled mccrystal (thats what the hastings piece was about) i cant atand up for mccrystal because hes joined the other team

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  116. @118

    That’s what he says he will do with regard to the coronavirus and the environment.

    Biden’s most recent position is that he will take an active leadership position on these issues. When asked what he will do his answer is whatever the experts tell him to do.

    frosty (f27e97)

  117. I think Biden had a decent level of engagement in policy-making while VP.

    I don’t see it. The one initiative he was put in charge of was “ensuring” was that the stimulus money was spent wisely and not wasted. And I don’t think history suggests that he was particularly successful at that. The only other thing that I can really think where he was deeply involved was in defending the Obama Administration’s obnoxious Title IX changes which essentially declared all accused males guilty as charged unless they could definitively prove otherwise, but of course they had almost no rights as defined under the Fifth and Sixth Amendments.

    Seriously, I’m not sure if I can off-hand think of anything that Joe Biden brought to the Obama Administration other than unwavering loyalty. With 59 and then 60 Senators for his first year in office, Obama didn’t really need Biden to do any heavy lifting in the Senate, and thereafter I’m not too sure if Biden’s Irish blarney had any effect in charming John Boehner or Paul Ryan. As far as I can tell, he was pretty much the Cipher of Observatory Circle.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  118. @114. LOL John Nance Garner. When my late father was in college he did a paper on JNG and penned the ‘warm bucket of piss’ a letter.

    He wrote back- on the letter itself and signed it.

    Still have it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  119. which essentially declared all accused males guilty as charged unless they could definitively prove otherwise, but of course they had almost no rights as defined under the Fifth and Sixth Amendments.

    LOL

    Dave (1bb933)

  120. 114. Dare it be typed: President Spiro Agnew.

    Do a youtube search and find the Humphrey/Muskie commercial with two words: President Agnew and audio… of nothing but laughter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  121. That’s in the history books. They did not dare impeach Nixon until they had removed Agnew first.

    nk (1d9030)

  122. The nattering nabobs of negativism and hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history.

    nk (1d9030)

  123. nk,

    Oh yeah? Well, you’re a bombastic burnisher of bloviation!

    norcal (a5428a)

  124. BTW; who picked D’s would become anti-vax in the betting pool? I certainly didn’t expect that from The Party of Science(tm)(c).

    frosty (f27e97)

  125. I forgot, Agnew was only 1/2 gdik and was Episcopalian like the mom.

    urbanleftbehind (35ca35)

  126. he took some payoff from the dairy industry, that’s near beer to what we’ve gotten with the clintons and the obama,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  127. BTW; who picked D’s would become anti-vax in the betting pool? I certainly didn’t expect that from The Party of Science(tm)(c).

    frosty (f27e97) — 9/17/2020 @ 3:32 pm

    Yeah, there’s a lot of hoping for misery and failure, I’ll give you that. It’s pretty sick.

    I am not a fan of rushed vaccines though. Mainly because I think a bad vaccine will set back the general vaccination idea we all rely on. Everything is a gamble, everything is a leap of faith, at some level, and I hope the COVID vaccine is perfect. Trump’s probably right that herd immunity is coming though.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  128. @131. They’re all on the TeeVee at CNN’s Biden Drive In Theatre.

    Beau mentioned. His own five deferments, not.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  129. Something is wrong w/his make-up; the palor of his forehead doesn’t match the lower face.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  130. “Something is wrong w/his make-up; the palor of his forehead doesn’t match the lower face.”

    This is some of your best work, DCSCA.

    Davethulhu (b2f8af)

  131. Did Biden really just repeat the assertion that he’d be ‘the first president who didn’t go to an ivy league school????’

    WTF.

    Reagan didn’t.
    Ike went to West Point.
    And Truman only spent a year at business college.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  132. The fracking question has totally ‘fracked him up.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  133. AC: “Do you back the Green New Deal?”

    Plagarist JoeyBee: “Yeah, I back it. I have my own deal.”

    WTF?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  134. Compare the Biden/CNN Town Hall in Scranton to the Trump rally in WI.

    So sad. Pull an 88 on AC360, Joe.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

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