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9/15/2020

TikTok Gravitated to Oracle Due to Its Connections with Trump

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:29 am



Swamp drained:

Oracle Corp. is one of the most lucrative but unflashy companies in Silicon Valley, a provider of business software and consulting services. Now, it is poised to become the U.S. partner for TikTok, the smash Chinese social-media app that has become a staple on the smartphones of millions of American teenagers.

. . . .

Oracle was originally brought into the negotiations to provide an alternative to Microsoft Corp., a rival bidder with Walmart as a partner, said one person familiar with the talks. The U.S. investment firms Sequoia Capital and General Atlantic, which are existing investors in ByteDance, went in search of a tech company with close ties to the administration and settled on Oracle, the person said.

Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison hosted a fundraiser for Mr. Trump this year at his house, and Chief Executive Safra Catz also worked on the executive committee for the Trump transition team in 2016.

That’s how you do it when the country is run by banana Republicans. It’s a pattern:

If you want to get things done, you pay. That’s how it’s done in the Drained Swamp.

148 Responses to “TikTok Gravitated to Oracle Due to Its Connections with Trump”

  1. I had a friend tell me that evidence of Trump draining the swamp was the people that had left the FBI and that proved he’d been successful. I assume he, and other Trump supporters will be fine with this because “Hillary” and it shows that conservatives are getting some respect.

    1 more reason not to vote for Trump.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  2. Now tell us the reasons to vote for the party egging on the riot mobs.
    _

    harkin (784deb)

  3. Microsoft insisted on access to TikTok’s proprietary code. China indicated that wasn’t going to happen. Microsoft out.

    But, never mind all that, it’s about Trump.

    beer ‘n pretzels (d6c4fd)

  4. Now tell us the reasons to vote for the party egging on the riot mobs.

    Liberate Michigan!
    Liberate Minnesota!
    Liberate Virginia!

    It’s the government’s job to prevent anarchy, and Trump has not only failed miserably, he has actively promoted it. Egged it on.

    nk (1d9030)

  5. Free market capitalism is like electricity; it follows the path of least resistance.

    Reaganomics.;-)

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  6. 4. Why do you love Antifa?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  7. Now tell us the reasons to vote for the party egging on the riot mobs.

    Which prominent Democrats have “egged on the riot mobs”?

    Dave (1bb933)

  8. @2. Riots in Lancaster, PA no less?

    What next– Mickey Mouse did blackface; torchlight marches at Disneyland?!?!

    The campaign strategy is working. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. Which prominent Democrats have “egged on the riot mobs”?

    The ones in his head, obviously. Are there prominent Democrats elsewhere?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  10. Which prominent Democrats have “egged on the riot mobs”?

    If Trump staffers bailed out Proud Boys, and Republican mayors gave a pass to white supremacists, I’m sure “egged on” would be overly delicate phrasing.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7b032f)

  11. Now tell us the reasons to vote for the party egging on the riot mobs.
    _

    harkin (784deb) — 9/15/2020 @ 9:28 am

    Trump has shown himself to be completely unable to help restore order. We need to get rid of him and see if a Biden administration can do a better job at it.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  12. ‘That’s how you do it when the country is run by banana Republicans.’

    “In political science, the term “banana republic” describes a politically unstable country with an economy dependent upon the exportation of a limited-resource product, such as bananas or minerals. In 1901, the American author O. Henry coined the term to describe Honduras and neighboring countries under economic exploitation by U.S. corporations, such as the United Fruit Company. Typically, a banana republic has a society of extremely stratified social classes, usually a large impoverished working class and a ruling class plutocracy, composed of the business, political, and military elites of that society. The ruling class controls the primary sector of the economy by way of the exploitation of labor; thus, the term banana republic is a pejorative descriptor for a servile dictatorship that abets and supports, for kickbacks, the exploitation of large-scale plantation agriculture, especially banana cultivation.”- source, wikibananasgogreatwithcornflakes.org

    “OTOH, In August 2020, Banana Republic… announced that they will close over 225 store locations as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.” -source, wikidressforsuccess.org

    Reaganomics. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  13. @11: It’s as if Biden wasn’t part of an administration for eight years that gave us Ferguson, Occupy, Sanford, Dallas, Baton Rouge, Brooklyn, I Can’t Breathe….

    Or is dementia a pass?

    beer ‘n pretzels (fe8a4d)

  14. @13. Or is dementia a pass?

    Apparently plagiarism is.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. @11: It’s as if Biden wasn’t part of an administration for eight years that gave us Ferguson, Occupy, Sanford, Dallas, Baton Rouge, Brooklyn, I Can’t Breathe….

    Or is dementia a pass?

    beer ‘n pretzels (fe8a4d) — 9/15/2020 @ 10:14 am

    @13. Or is dementia a pass?

    Apparently plagiarism is.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/15/2020 @ 10:18 am

    Oracle

    T Mobile

    Bribes

    Watch how desperate some are to change the subject. Trump is corrupt. Trump’s gotta go.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  16. @11: It’s as if Biden wasn’t part of an administration for eight years that gave us Ferguson, Occupy, Sanford, Dallas, Baton Rouge, Brooklyn, I Can’t Breathe….

    Or is dementia a pass?

    beer ‘n pretzels (fe8a4d) — 9/15/2020 @ 10:14 am

    True, there were several flash points and none of them ignited months long nation wide protests. I agree with you, they did a better job at this then Trump is doing.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  17. I’ll repeat myself: It is the government’s job to be the antithesis to anarchy. What has Trump’s government done to prevent “Ferguson, Occupy, Sanford, Dallas, Baton Rouge, Brooklyn, I Can’t Breathe….”

    Or is congenital bankruptcy a pass?

    And the comparison between putting up bail, a fundamental legal right except in places like Russia, and
    Liberate Michigan!
    Liberate Minnesota!
    Liberate Virginia!
    is like I can’t even

    nk (1d9030)

  18. @11

    Now tell us the reasons to vote for the party egging on the riot mobs.
    _

    harkin (784deb) — 9/15/2020 @ 9:28 am

    Trump has shown himself to be completely unable to help restore order. We need to get rid of him and see if a Biden administration can do a better job at it.

    Time123 (53ef45) — 9/15/2020 @ 10:08 am

    AYFKM with that?

    What did Obama/Biden administration do during the Michael Brown riots in Ferguson, MO? The other BLM riots during the Obama administration? What makes you think Biden would do any differently?

    I’m mean, try to apply the “…and then what?” principle.

    What are you advocating the Trump administration to do? Send in the federally controlled national guard via the Insurrection Act? What are the ROE going to be?

    whembly (c30c83)

  19. @16

    True, there were several flash points and none of them ignited months long nation wide protests. I agree with you, they did a better job at this then Trump is doing.

    Time123 (b87ded) — 9/15/2020 @ 10:24 am

    Yeah, imma disagree with you vehemently there.

    Obama and Biden literally inflamed those situations, particularly during Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown.

    whembly (c30c83)

  20. There are various Democratic-party connected efforts to fund the bails for these rioters.

    Kamala Harris herself opined support for that endeavour.

    Again, what/how do you believe a Biden administration would handle any of this “better”?

    Please elaborate.

    whembly (c30c83)

  21. Trump was stirring up lynch mobs, see, e.g. the Central Park 5, when Obama was still in college. It is his modus operandi to stir up mobs and see what he can snatch from the chaos.

    nk (1d9030)

  22. Opposition to bail, a Constitutional right, is probably the best reason not to vote for somebody.

    nk (1d9030)

  23. 21.Trump was stirring up lynch mobs, see, e.g. the Central Park 5, when Obama was still in college. It is his modus operandi to stir up mobs and see what he can snatch from the chaos.

    And today he is signing another Middle East peace agreement on the White House lawn w/Arabs and Israelis along side, snatching the spotlight on global TeeVee.

    LOL Yeah. It’s a riot. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  24. @22

    Opposition to bail, a Constitutional right, is probably the best reason not to vote for somebody.

    nk (1d9030) — 9/15/2020 @ 10:35 am

    Don’t be disingenuous.

    It’s not the opposition to the constitution right. It’s facilitating the mob by ensuring that these folks are released back on the streets to continue to riot.

    whembly (c30c83)

  25. @15. Trump is corrupt. Trump’s gotta go.

    And Biden isn’t corrupt? Let’s ask Hunter. Trump’s been going a lot of places lately, Dustin. OTOH, Biden’s been ‘beauing’ no place. Except Delaware.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  26. It’s not the opposition to the constitution right. It’s facilitating the mob by ensuring that these folks are released back on the streets to continue to riot.

    That statement is what is disingenuous. Judges hold bail hearings, in some places called dangerousness hearings, and decide whether a defendant should be granted bail. Once the judge decides to grant and sets bail, then poverty should not be the only bar.

    nk (1d9030)

  27. Let’s face it, comrades, even at fascism, Trumpism is strictly flea-market (not even bargain basement).

    Mussolini made the trains run on time, Trump’s chaotic mishandling of the coronavirus has us riding only six to a car with masks on. Hitler had the Storm Troopers whose leadership was homosexuals, Trump has … I am not making this up … Twinks For Trump.

    nk (1d9030)

  28. O.M.G.

    Middle East peace signed today and Biden, a fella who ‘worked the system,’ sought and rec’d five deferments, is in Tampa kvetching about ‘duty, honor, country.’ And prattling on about Beau.

    This is a sick, sad, emotionally damaged old man.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. Instead of chinese intelligence how does that work again?

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  30. maybe if we give him another four or eight or twelve years he can get his act together and do proper fascism all up in it mr nk

    it seems worth a try

    Dave (1bb933)

  31. Don’t be disingenuous.
    whembly (c30c83) — 9/15/2020 @ 10:39 am

    It’s totally on brand for Trump to oppose bail, which during a pandemic will often be life-saving, for poor people. At the same time it speaks poorly of his blue collar base’s intelligence that they never seem to notice he only cares about the well-being of people rich enough to be his friends.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  32. Some people are still in denial about why Trump won and their GOP candidates and/or Hillary lost. The status quo ante ain’t coming back and good riddance to it. Does not mean that I love the Donald, but he is a symptom of political bankruptcy, not its cause.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  33. @26: Bail reform. LOL

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/bail-reform-needs-reform-growing-group-of-opponents-claim-11581348077

    Prosecutors and lawmakers around the country are pushing back against recent changes that largely eliminated bail for low-level and nonviolent offenders, saying they have resulted in dangerous criminals being released.

    But fascism….

    beer ‘n pretzels (7e7b43)

  34. It’s totally on brand for Trump to oppose bail, which during a pandemic will often be life-saving, for poor people.

    I’m sure lurker is so down with the poor that he’s made sure to live in a neighborhood where those bail seekers get released.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7e7b43)

  35. BTW, I see this as a mistake for Oracle as it’s corporate culture will not fit in with TikTok at all. Considering that significant IP is being withheld by the Chinese, IP that comprises much of the value of TikTok and the lack of which prevents synergy, Oracle is buying a hollow company. Then again, anything that harms Larry Ellison is a good thing.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  36. it seems worth a try

    Donald Trump cannot get the trains pointed in the right direction, let alone run on time.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  37. As for fascism, I pretty much expect AOC and her cohort to bring that along smartly.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  38. It’s probably more accurate that Oracle did a favor for Trump than the other way around. The deadline was approaching and it’s unclear whether anyone other than Oracle would accept the terms.

    It’s a less than ideal transaction from a national security perspective. That’s a totally legit reason to attack Trump on the deal.

    beer ‘n pretzels (cd0a6e)

  39. Trey Yingst
    @TreyYingst
    ·
    BREAKING: Rocket sirens sounding in southern Israel as peace deal is signed at the White House
    __ _

    Aditya Raj Kaul
    @AdityaRajKaul
    ·
    Multiple rockets fired at Southern Israel from Gaza during the historic peace deal signing ceremony at White House. Terrorists obviously feel frustrated and desperate after the historic peace agreement in the middle-east that may put them out of business.
    __ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze

    Call them celebratory fireworks and move on.
    __ _

    Wonder if Biden/Harris will bail them out…..
    __

    harkin (784deb)

  40. Where do you think some of the act bluedonations came from.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  41. whembly (c30c83) — 9/15/2020 @ 10:25 am

    What did Obama/Biden administration do during the Michael Brown riots in Ferguson, MO?

    Promised an inevestigation.

    Eventually did a federal one. Found pro-narrative witnesses had no credibility; underplayed it, first by issuing a report on something else and then keeping very quiet about finding the accusations not credible.

    Sammy Finkelman (42d229)

  42. 34.

    Prosecutors and lawmakers around the country are pushing back against recent changes that largely eliminated bail for low-level and nonviolent offenders, saying they have resulted in dangerous criminals being released.

    But fascism….
    beer ‘n pretzels (7e7b43) — 9/15/2020 @ 11:32 am

    OK, let’s cancel the Eighth Amendment. You know what else results in dangerous criminals being released? The Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Fourteenth Amendments. Let’s cancel them too.

    The First and Second Amendments also protect us against a police state concerned more with enforcing law and order than protecting the liberty of its citizens. They should go too.

    Happy yet?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  43. @42

    whembly (c30c83) — 9/15/2020 @ 10:25 am
    What did Obama/Biden administration do during the Michael Brown riots in Ferguson, MO?

    Promised an inevestigation.

    Eventually did a federal one. Found pro-narrative witnesses had no credibility; underplayed it, first by issuing a report on something else and then keeping very quiet about finding the accusations not credible.

    Sammy Finkelman (42d229) — 9/15/2020 @ 11:47 am

    Right…and they underplayed it because it didn’t fit the narrative.

    The “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” mantra was based on a lie, but it’s still chanted as it was the truth.

    whembly (c30c83)

  44. OK, let’s cancel the Eighth Amendment. You know what else results in dangerous criminals being released? The Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Fourteenth Amendments. Let’s cancel them too.

    The First and Second Amendments also protect us against a police state concerned more with enforcing law and order than protecting the liberty of its citizens. They should go too.

    Happy yet?

    lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/15/2020 @ 11:54 am

    No. You’re strawmanning here.

    No one here is arguing that we should do away with bail or repeal any amendments.

    It’s a fact that 3rd party organizations are funding the bail of those arrested for riotings, which creates a preverse incentive for these folks to continue rioting.

    Rioting is bad.

    It’s not an acceptable form of protest.

    Better let these riots pay for the bail themselves.

    whembly (c30c83)

  45. 35.

    I’m sure lurker is so down with the poor that he’s made sure to live in a neighborhood where those bail seekers get released.
    beer ‘n pretzels (7e7b43) — 9/15/2020 @ 11:34 am

    What you’re sure of is worth every penny I paid to read it.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  46. Air quality index in Portland today = 341

    Wonder if Antifa arsonists take a few days off….
    _

    harkin (784deb)

  47. Happy yet?

    I must agree with you or I’m against the Constitution.

    Yes, I’m happy that you’ve made it clear how nonsensical your argument is.

    beer ‘n pretzels (ee1554)

  48. 46.

    Better let these riots pay for the bail themselves.
    whembly (c30c83) — 9/15/2020 @ 11:58 am

    LOL. Because that’s a plausible alternative.

    Do you really not get the injustice of bail being available only to those with means, or do you not care?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  49. The Hill
    @thehill

    Democrats back away from quick reversal of Trump tax cuts http://hill.cm/RsxJ6nc__ _
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    Kody
    @K_MARTmvtx
    ·
    So the polling numbers on it are in.
    __ _

    TasCachetrophy
    @cachetrophy
    ·
    didn’t they say people would die from these tax cuts?
    __ _

    here we go again
    @fmewithchainsaw
    ·
    only those who made it past net neutrality
    __ _

    harkin (784deb)

  50. Whembly, I agree that Rioting isn’t an acceptable form of protest. But the purpose of bail is to ensure that the defendant shows up for Trial. It’s not intended as a form or punishment, or a deterrent.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  51. 46.
    Better let these riots pay for the bail themselves.

    whembly (c30c83) — 9/15/2020 @ 11:58 am
    LOL. Because that’s a plausible alternative.

    Do you really not get the injustice of bail being available only to those with means, or do you not care?

    lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/15/2020 @ 12:03 pm

    Make the case with the judge. The bail system has its place here.

    whembly (c30c83)

  52. I’m sure lurker is so down with the poor that he’s made sure to live in a neighborhood where those bail seekers get released.
    beer ‘n pretzels (7e7b43) — 9/15/2020 @ 11:34 am

    I was going to let this go with just my initial snarky reply, but what the hell, I may as well dispose of your uniformed certainty head on. I’ve lived in LA for 30 yrs. In that time there have been two riots. I lived within a block of businesses that were burned and/or looted both times. Is that close enough for you?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  53. @52

    Whembly, I agree that Rioting isn’t an acceptable form of protest. But the purpose of bail is to ensure that the defendant shows up for Trial. It’s not intended as a form or punishment, or a deterrent.

    Time123 (b87ded) — 9/15/2020 @ 12:11 pm

    I’m not arguing otherwise.

    But when a 3rd party post bail for the rioters, it’s not the rioters who’s on the hook if they choose to skip it.

    whembly (c30c83)

  54. 53.

    Do you really not get the injustice of bail being available only to those with means, or do you not care?
    lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/15/2020 @ 12:03 pm

    Make the case with the judge. The bail system has its place here.
    whembly (c30c83) — 9/15/2020 @ 12:11 pm

    So you don’t care. Good enough.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  55. @54

    I was going to let this go with just my initial snarky reply, but what the hell, I may as well dispose of your uniformed certainty head on. I’ve lived in LA for 30 yrs. In that time there have been two riots. I lived within a block of businesses that were burned and/or looted both times. Is that close enough for you?

    lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/15/2020 @ 12:11 pm

    I lived 10 minutes away from the Ferguson riots.

    I have zero sympathy for those who riots.

    whembly (c30c83)

  56. We had three riots in seven years, beat that.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  57. I have zero sympathy for those who riots.

    As do I. What’s your point?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  58. I lived 10 minutes away from the Ferguson riots.

    I have zero sympathy for those who riots.

    whembly (c30c83) — 9/15/2020 @ 12:16 pm

    Obama took the complaints seriously, arguably too much so.
    People believed him and had some faith the system would produce justice.
    They did an investigation.
    It showed that the shooting of MB was justified.
    It also showed that the municipal government made the lives of the people living there horrible in a number of ways.

    I think the belief the there would be official action and reform helped shorten the riots.
    There’s evidence that when the public sees an ‘outrage’ taken seriously there aren’t riots.

    I think the inability to convince the public (at least those that are complaining) that the system will work to produce justice or improvements is part of the problem we’re having today.
    An economy wrecked by disease is another big part of the problem.

    This should all be explained more completely and supported with evidence but I don’t have the time for that. I wanted to respond to some of your questions up thread as best i could.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  59. Happy yet?

    Both Hamilton and Madison argued that the Constitution didn’t need a Bill of Rights, that it would create a “parchment barrier” that limited the rights of the people, as opposed to protecting them.

    https://www.constitutionfacts.com/us-articles-of-confederation/the-great-debate/

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  60. And if Article I, Section 8 had actually limited the power of Congress, rather than been read expansively, maybe Hamilton would have been right.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  61. Steve Holland
    @steveholland1

    Israeli PM Netanyahu with “key to the White House” presented to him by President Trump and Melania Trump
    __ _

    Edward-Isaac Dovere [The Atlantic]
    @IsaacDovere

    this is an honor that the president appears to have made up
    __ _

    Bodak
    @AFarray
    ·
    There is no such thing as a “key to the White House.” He’s just handing out made up awards now.
    __ _

    Chris Lu
    @ChrisLu44
    ·
    For the record, I have a similar key to mark my service in the Obama White House
    __ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
    ·
    The Atlantic just doing incredible lately. Really stellar stuff.
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    The_Left_Hates_Obelisks
    @WXYZfi
    ·
    Cool key!! Netanyahu won’t have to use the backdoor like in the Obama administration
    _ _

    Spooner
    @Spooner67180190
    ·
    Who’s going to tell The Outraged that it’s not REALLY a key to the White House?
    __ _

    harkin (784deb)

  62. Negative partisanship certainly has its merits, but at some point those against Trump have to start explaining why Biden would be so much better. Other than just saying “Trump sucks.”

    This TikTok story seems to be quite important when it comes to foreign policy, it seems. Much more important than the first Middle East peace accords in 26 years. And much more important than Trump being the first president in decades not to start a foreign war, or ratchet an existing foreign war up.

    Discuss.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  63. 65.

    Negative partisanship certainly has its merits, but at some point those against Trump have to start explaining why Biden would be so much better. Other than just saying “Trump sucks.”

    Why? If I’m trying to persuade either of the remaining undecided voters, sure, that might be a good idea. But for my purposes, “not as bad as Trump” is perfectly adequate.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  64. “not as bad as Trump” is perfectly adequate

    How is Biden not as bad as Trump. Show your work.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  65. So much for bail reform. Cue the world’s smallest violin….

    Lancaster protesters held on whopping $1 million bail each after alleged riots
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/lancaster-protesters-bail-alleged-riots

    beer ‘n pretzels (cd0a6e)

  66. 67. At this point Wohl and Burkman are just trolling Popehat (JK), though I suspect he’ll have the last laugh.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  67. 68.

    How is Biden not as bad as Trump. Show your work.

    To anyone for whom further evidence is necessary that Trump is worse than Biden, none would be sufficient.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  68. Judging by my continuous flow of text messages from Trump, his family members, and the Trump campaign, they really need money. How thoughtful of T-Mobile et al to help them out.

    DRJ (aede82)

  69. To anyone for whom further evidence is necessary that Trump is worse than Biden, none would be sufficient.

    In other words, because you say so. Got it. Excuse me if I don’t listen to our local Oracle. (As in Delphi, not the software company.)

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  70. In other words, because you say so. Got it. Excuse me if I don’t listen to our local Oracle. (As in Delphi, not the software company.)
    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/15/2020 @ 3:00 pm

    How is my admission that I can’t persuade you an ipse dixit?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  71. How is my admission that I can’t persuade you an ipse dixit?

    Because you didn’t even try.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  72. In other words, because you say so. Got it. Excuse me if I don’t listen to our local Oracle. (As in Delphi, not the software company.)

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/15/2020 @ 3:00 pm

    Bored Lawyer was not talking about the company that bribed the president of the united states, just to be clear, when explaining that no one tried to point out why Trump is the worst candidate up for election. Hope everyone is clear that it is not the Oracle that, among many companies and even enemies of our nation, got what it wanted from the US government by doing something nice for Trump personally in violation of the US Constitution.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  73. @76

    So you too join the Trump-Is-Awful crowd. Which avoids the question of who would be worse for the country. It is agreed that both choices are awful. (At least I agree). But it has yet to be explained why Trump is the worse choice.

    And to more precisely define the question, it is who would be better for the country, not who is personally a worse person. I leave the latter type of questions to the Almighty, who judges all mankind (stay tuned in four days for that).

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  74. Because you didn’t even try.
    Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/15/2020 @ 3:06 pm

    So if I say I can’t lift an SUV, that’s an ipse dixit unless you see me try and fail?

    How about if I tell you that not only have I tried, but I’ve tried more times than I can count, and I never budged it? Is that enough to make my assurance that I won’t be able to budge the next time not an ipse dixit?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  75. So if I say I can’t lift an SUV, that’s an ipse dixit unless you see me try and fail?

    We aren’t talking about near impossible feats of strength. We are talking about a simple ask: explain why Biden would be better for the nation that Trump. Or at minimum, less bad than Trump.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  76. So Oracle is going to buy the car but the electrical system is retained by China. Or something like that.
    And speaking of China, the NY Post and others got chumped by a “study” that the WuFlu came a Chinese lab, and the chumping was done by none other than Steve Bannon.

    A new study purporting to show that the novel coronavirus was manufactured in a Chinese lab was published by a pair of nonprofit groups linked to Steve Bannon, the former top Trump strategist now facing felony fraud charges.
    The study, co-authored by a Chinese virologist who fled Hong Kong this year, claims that “laboratory manipulation is part of the history of SARS-CoV-2.” Its findings were quickly picked up by a handful of prominent news organizations such as the New York Post, which hyped the “explosive” allegations that run counter to virtually all existing scientific literature on the source of the virus.
    The study is the work of the Rule of Law Society and the Rule of Law Foundation, sister nonprofit organizations that Bannon was instrumental in creating. According to documents posted on the Society’s website last year, he served as that group’s chair. The Bannon connection was first spotted by Carl Bergstrom, a biology professor at the University of Washington, who called the study “bizarre and unfounded.”
    A search of Google Scholar and the Rule of Law Society and Rule of Law Foundation websites indicates that the organizations have not previously published scientific or medical research, and it’s unclear whether the paper received any peer review. It was posted on Monday on the website Zenodo, a publicly available repository of scientific and academic research to which anyone can upload their work.

    Paul Montagu (cad685)

  77. explain why Biden would be better for the nation that Trump (to a Trump fan who wasn’t convinced by hundreds of thousands of dead Americans)

    No thanks!

    Dustin (4237e0)

  78. We are talking about a simple ask: explain why Biden would be better for the nation that Trump. Or at minimum, less bad than Trump.

    He will not elope to the South Pacific with Kim Jong Un and half the national treasury?

    nk (1d9030)

  79. So you too join the Trump-Is-Awful crowd

    I was there a long time ago, back when Trump was a democrat.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  80. Bored Lawyer was not talking about the company that bribed the president of the united states

    Gosh, but when people complain about Trump making wild claims about conspiracies against him, we should all stop to remember all the unsubstantiated charges people make against him.

    Microsoft and Walmart bailed on the crappy deal they were offered. Oracle’s shareholders might not like what they get stuck with either. Without the algorithmic basis for TikTok’s success, Oracle will have no way of leveraging it into their business (assuming that can be done; Oracle isn’t exactly a mass-market company). It’s like buying Google without getting their search engine.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  81. Glad you got home OK, Dustin.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  82. We aren’t talking about near impossible feats of strength. We are talking about a simple ask: explain why Biden would be better for the nation that Trump. Or at minimum, less bad than Trump. Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 9/15/2020 @ 3:35 pm

    Actually we aren’t talking about explaining it. We’re talking about persuading you of it. The explanation is the effort, and you’re right, I could easily provide that. But as I suggested, after many attempts I can say with high confidence — based on experience, not mere say-so — that the next attempt would be as futile as the others.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  83. Biden will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, things which Trump has failed miserably to do?

    nk (1d9030)

  84. I note that Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton Foundation $20 million right after SecState Clinton OK’d a deal they wanted. I call it a bribe (which is was, at best an emolument), but people claim that it was mainly due to the Saudi’s deep respect for Hillary and women in general.

    Fine, but I submit my case is far better than people claiming Oracle got this white elephant due to some bribe, or T-Mobile getting Sprint to rocket from third place to third place.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  85. @37. Donald Trump cannot get the trains pointed in the right direction- let alone run on time.

    No wonder Amtrak Joe can’t seem to catch a ride out of Delaware. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  86. Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/15/2020 @ 3:14 pm

    This isn’t new for Dustin. He’s been very consistent about how his integrity demands he oppose Trump no matter the specifics for as long as I can remember him commenting. I respect his dedication.

    frosty (f27e97)

  87. 88.

    I’ve long believed the Clintons corrupt, e.g., travel office, Lincoln bedroom, Marc Rich, billing files, etc. But until someone shows me where, contra Trump, any Clinton Foundation money found its way into their pockets, and the charity watchdogs seem to believe none did, I won’t understood the meme of Clinton Foundation corruption.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  88. Kevin,

    If you do something that helps me, and I make a donation to your church’s homeless shelter or soup kitchen to express gratitude, is it a bribe?

    If you could show that Clinton personally intervened after the future donation was promised, and that whatever deal would have been rejected but for that intervention (I doubt you can), it would clearly be unethical, but still not a bribe.

    Dave (1bb933)

  89. Actually we aren’t talking about explaining it. We’re talking about persuading you of it.

    Bingo

    You can’t convince a Bernie Cro that Dubya was a better president than AOC would be. You can’t convince a native Texan that tofu is better than brisket. You can’t convince someone who still loves Trump that Trump isn’t lovable. It’s amusing Trump fans would set the bar at ‘convince me, a Trump fan, and my opinion should always be the center of all conversations’

    Look, Biden’s an awful candidate so it’s not a big deal to say you aren’t voting for him, but from the moment Trump admitted he fired Comey over ‘that Russian thing’ there’s been no case left. He’s the bad guy.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  90. This isn’t new for Dustin. He’s been very consistent about how his integrity demands he oppose Trump no matter the specifics for as long as I can remember him commenting. I respect his dedication.

    frosty (f27e97) — 9/15/2020 @ 4:08 pm

    LOL I just don’t like him! I admit I don’t even care what the details are. Orange man bad! I mean it. He’s bad.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  91. Glad you got home OK, Dustin.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/15/2020 @ 3:49 pm

    It was stupid how I drove home overnight, but I made it to the delivery room an hour before my son was born and everyone is fine, catching up on rest. Thanks! God is good.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  92. And in today’s news, the UAE and Bahrain both signed peace treaties with Israel on the White House lawn. A deal shepherded by Trump and spearheaded by his son-in-law.

    Trump then bragged that 7, 8 or 9 Arab countries might soon be joining them. Which, knowing Trump’s penchant for wild exaggeration and self-promotion, probably means that one or two are in the works.

    OTOH, this is two more such treaties than Trump’s last two predecessors achieved, and the same number of such treaties as all presidents since Harry Truman combined.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  93. 58, someone living near the Mag Mile of Chicago has had 2 riots in 75 days this summer.

    urbanleftbehind (d1dee5)

  94. Congrats, Dustin.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  95. t I made it to the delivery room an hour before my son was born and everyone is fine, catching up on rest. Thanks! God is good.
    Dustin (4237e0) — 9/15/2020 @ 4:12 pm

    Wow! Congratulations!

    felipe (023cc9)

  96. Orange man bad! I mean it. He’s bad.

    I approve of this message.

    I made it to the delivery room an hour before my son was born and everyone is fine, catching up on rest.

    And this one too – congratulations!

    Dave (1bb933)

  97. @100

    Never heard of that opinion writer before. But she articulates my feelings very well.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  98. @87 We’ve already gotten a sample of that with 8 years of the BO/JB admin. There’s no argument there in favor of Biden. You can claim he wouldn’t enrich himself or his family via the office but we also know that’s not true. At best he’d keep his promises but that’s only because he’s flipped around and promised on most sides of every issue. So, whatever he does the hand can start working, his mouth will start moving, and we’ll hear about that one time when he made that promise, you know, the thing, come on man.

    frosty (f27e97)

  99. Congratulations, Dustin!

    nk (1d9030)

  100. Thanks y’all!

    Dustin (4237e0)

  101. Dustin (4237e0) — 9/15/2020 @ 4:12 pm

    I made it to the delivery room an hour before my son was born and everyone is fine, catching up on rest. Thanks! God is good.

    Congratulations!

    frosty (f27e97)

  102. Congratulations! What a story to be able to tell one day.

    urbanleftbehind (d1dee5)

  103. @96-
    I wonder how much that will cost the taxpayer, even after the billions we give Bahrain.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  104. Alan Dershowitz Files $300 Million Lawsuit Against CNN for Portraying Him as an ‘Intellectual Who Had Lost His Mind’

    Harvard Law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz on Tuesday filed a lawsuit against CNN, claiming the cable news network, together with their hosts and panelists, intentionally created a false narrative about what the famed criminal defense attorney argued while defending the president during impeachment proceedings earlier this year.

    Dershowitz’s allegations stem from news coverage of his argument about the kind of quid pro quos a sitting president may engage in while office—provided that the exchange is done with the intent of winning re-election in the public interest and not in violation of some law. While his theory was widely panned by attorneys and legal experts across the media, Dershowitz claimed that CNN intentionally omitted portions of his argument to make it appear as though he was arguing “the exact opposite of what he said.”
    ……
    In relief, Dershowitz is seeking $50,000,000 in compensatory damages and $250,000,000 in punitive damages for a total of $300,000,000. Dershowitz told Law & Crime in March that he was thinking of suing CNN because CNN “doctored the truth.”
    …….
    Comedy gold! The Dersh’s lawyer.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  105. Dustin! What wonderful news – a new son! Congratulations. I hope mama and baby are doing well, and you are all nestled together at home. What a gift to have such a bright, shining moment unfold during a depressing season, and thank you for that, because I am going to live vicariously through your blessing.

    Dana (292df6)

  106. lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/15/2020 @ 4:08 pm

    It always strikes me as odd that people take this position and make it specific about the Foundation. After Hillary lost in 2016 she had multiple speaking engagements to empty stadiums. My understanding is tickets were being sold but no one showed up. Who do you think paid for that? Do you think thousands of Hillary fans bought tickets but didn’t really want to hear her speak? The Clintons have had no real jobs, other than being politicians in decades. She and Bill made an estimated $240 million after leaving the Whitehouse largely from book and speaking fees.

    For some perspective the members of Metallica have a net worth estimated in the same range after a 40 year career playing to packed stadiums, selling bucket loads of music, and being relatively savvy businessmen.

    It’s easy to claim the Clinton’s wealth is all legitimate and normal but then you need to explain what value they created other than selling influence.

    frosty (f27e97)

  107. the person said.

    Wow. Who is this person? How can we judge their bona fides?

    Reminds me of another story based on anonymous sources.

    And as for the Washington Post, their laughable story on Clay Travis just goes to show the writers are anything but smart.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  108. 111.

    As I said, I’m convinced the Clintons are corrupt, but that’s because I’ve seen evidence of the corruption. I’m open to persuasion there have been additional incidents, but I’ll need to see that evidence too, not conjecture.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  109. It was stupid how I drove home overnight, but I made it to the delivery room an hour before my son was born and everyone is fine, catching up on rest. Thanks! God is good.

    That’s fantastic news, Dustin. Congratulations.

    If I may be so bold, JVW is a great first name for a little guy. And there are lots of culturally-sensitive ways in which it can be pronounced.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  110. Well, Junior Varsity is appropriate for a little guy. :)

    norcal (a5428a)

  111. 114,

    Well you walked right into 115. Lol!

    Dana (292df6)

  112. “Lurker” is a real panty-dropper.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  113. @117 That’s curious. It never worked for me.

    norcal (a5428a)

  114. Well, Junior Varsity is appropriate for a little guy.

    But I think that’s true only if his dad is named Varsity.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  115. 118. The name. Not the activity.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  116. @119 Don’t try to spoil my joke, JVW!

    norcal (a5428a)

  117. @120 Touche!

    norcal (a5428a)

  118. Touche!

    You already admitted you’re a creepy lurker. Now you’re a toucher too? Here’s some free advice: If a cop ever asks you anything, demand to speak to your lawyer and say nothing!

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  119. @123 :)

    norcal (a5428a)

  120. Glad to see Larry pick up the deal, he’s a good man.

    mg (8cbc69)

  121. I forgot to mention that $195K in hotel bills probably amounts to $10K in profit. MAYBE Trump can be bribed for $10K, but who bribed the court that signed off on it?

    “the merger is not likely to substantially lessen competition like the suing state AGs had claimed it would” and also that Sprint “does not have a sustainable long-term competitive strategy [to remain a viable competitor].”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merger_of_Sprint_Corporation_and_T-Mobile_US#Lawsuit_from_State_AGs

    The third-place company bought the failing Sprint to … remain in third pace. Letting Sprint fail helped no one, and letting one of the other two buy it WOULD have been anti-competitive.

    You REALLY have to have your I HATE TRUMP goggles on to make any other claim.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  122. It was stupid how I drove home overnight, but I made it to the delivery room an hour before my son was born and everyone is fine, catching up on rest. Thanks! God is good.

    Way to bury the lead.

    Congratulations, and good luck in your new career.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  123. I promise I won’t complain if you tell dad jokes, Dustin, no matter how bad. And congrats.

    Paul Montagu (a50d97)

  124. How is Biden not as bad as Trump. Show your work.

    His whole campaign for the center is “I’m not Trump.” Harris’s whole campaign to the Left is “He’s really old.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  125. If you do something that helps me, and I make a donation to your church’s homeless shelter or soup kitchen to express gratitude, is it a bribe?

    That depends. If your are Richard Dawkins, yeah, it’s a bribe. Name two Saudi acts that showed they favored women.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  126. Congratulations! What a story to be able to tell one day.

    Taking the second part of the bar exam, then driving straight through from ABQ to Austin that night (~700 miles), I’m just glad that he is able to tell it.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  127. Comedy gold! The Dersh’s lawyer.

    No, HERE!

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  128. Of course, I yield to no man on the subject of “really stupid things I did when I was young that should have killed me.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  129. I won’t understood the meme of Clinton Foundation corruption.

    The money doesn’t have to be in their pockets for them to use it to their advantage.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  130. Way to go Dustin.
    Do speed limits exist in Texas?

    mg (8cbc69)

  131. @100 Good find! The opinion writer in your linked Washington Post piece makes the best case I’ve yet seen for being a pragmatic Trump voter.

    norcal (a5428a)

  132. Althouse found it, she was a balkan analyst who hit it big during the iraq war https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/15/why-bob-woodwards-anti-trump-book-rage-cant-be-trusted-one-lick/#.X2FsqQZRnq8.facebook

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  133. Dustin,

    I am overjoyed for you and your family. God bless you all!

    DRJ (aede82)

  134. Congrats, Dustin.

    Outstanding.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  135. Popcorn made, ‘comfy chair’ prepared… Trump Town Hall on the TeeVee: 20/20.

    “The clown, with his pants falling down; Or the dance, that’s a dream of romance; Or the scene, where the vilain is mean; That’s Entertainment!” – Fred Asraire, Nanette Fabray, Jack Buchannan, Oscar Levant ‘The Bandwagon’ 1953

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  136. 134.

    The money doesn’t have to be in their pockets for them to use it to their advantage.
    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/15/2020 @ 6:30 pm

    He who speaks in aphorisms will be known as The Aphorism Speaker.

    Which money? What advantage? Where’s the evidence? Why haven’t the watchdogs found it?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  137. Thanks everybody. Seriously.

    I wish I could convey what my wife has been through, but I can’t. Suffice to say we were thrilled with one. We didn’t think we’d have the second so soon, but what can I say… we are complete.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  138. no comment, mg

    Dustin (4237e0)

  139. That’s fantastic news, Dustin. Congratulations.

    If I may be so bold, JVW is a great first name for a little guy. And there are lots of culturally-sensitive ways in which it can be pronounced.

    JVW (ee64e4) — 9/15/2020 @ 5:16 pm

    I’ve asked my wife by showing her this comment and she was so impressed she didn’t actually say anything, just walked away, I believe to contemplate.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  140. All I can say is that, if I introduced myself as “lurker” to a coed, chances are better that I’d get arrested than laid.

    Paul Montagu (1fbb64)

  141. 145.

    As well you should! I feel like diming you to Five-0 just for mentioning it.

    You never volunteer your name, Dummy. You let her try uselessly to drag it out of you, slowly, until sometime around the third margarita (or if you really want to wow her with your sophistication, Dew Garita), as you pass her the lime that’s locked in your clenched teeth you growl menacingly into her parted lips, “Lurrrrkrrrrrr……”

    That’s when she calls the cops and you run away.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  142. lurker,

    You should write scripts for the Lifetime movie channel.

    norcal (a5428a)

  143. You should write scripts for the Lifetime movie channel.
    norcal (a5428a) — 9/16/2020 @ 1:49 am

    No thanks. Even a borderline literate hack like me has standards.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

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