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9/13/2020

Two Deputies Critically Wounded After Person Opens Fire On Them As They Sat In Patrol Car

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:33 am



[guest post by Dana]

This happened last night around 7:00 pm:

Two Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies were critically wounded after being shot Saturday evening in Compton in what authorities described as an “ambush” that was captured on surveillance video.

The video, released by the department, shows a man walking up to the deputies’ parked patrol car, pulling out a gun and firing several times into the front seat area from the passenger side. The assailant is then seen running from the scene.

“One male deputy and one female deputy were ambushed as they sat in their patrol vehicle. Both sustained multiple gunshot wounds and are in critical condition. They are both currently undergoing surgery,” the department said in a statement.

Horribly, the report includes this detail: “at least one of the deputies was shot in the face and the other in the head”.

Here is video of the shooting. Consider yourselves warned:

Also, because we ve apparently become a country where a lot of Americans no longer have the simple goodwill or grace to extend to victims of violent crime if they are law enforcement, there was this:

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From a perusal of tweets and comments left at various reports about the incident, it’s clear to see that it’s not a small number of people who believe that *all* cops are guilty, and should be treated as such. There can be no innocent cops because the system itself doesn’t allow for it. By default, if you are part of that system, you are guilty. We are thus supposed to save our sympathy and prayers for the real victims who deserve it, and that cannot include law enforcement. However, it might include the shooter, because according to any number of Americans, his crime, by default, is justified. God help us all.

Me, I’m going to pray for the victims, hope that the suspect is caught, and stay firmly planted in my corner of no man’s land where it is still possible to both loudly condemn bad behavior by law enforcement when they act with impunity against the citizenry and loudly condemn anyone who intentionally opens fire on law enforcement officers sitting in their patrol car.

A manhunt is currently underway for the suspect.

–Dana

UPDATE by JVW: Here’s the video of the jackass protesters, if you can stomach it.

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: If you’re looking to lose faith in the decency of humanity, by all means click on the tweet above and read some of the responses, or watch the video JVW embedded. The job will be accomplished quickly.

UPDATE BY DANA: President Trump responded to the horrific shooting:

Here is Joe Biden’s response:

176 Responses to “Two Deputies Critically Wounded After Person Opens Fire On Them As They Sat In Patrol Car”

  1. It’s such a sad state of affairs in which we find ourselves.

    Dana (292df6)

  2. Its a war, carried over a 50 year romp throught the institutions, exacerbated by this lockdown.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  3. @1. Indeed. Sad to say this is not a surprising development, either. PD’s across the country should be on the alert for this– events have been spiraling down toward this. Our local police changed policy over the summer and no longer patrol alone to deter. Expect more ‘copycatting.

    OTOH- it was in Compton. Not exactly a Beaver Cleaver/Brady Bunch neighborhood.

    :-(

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  4. Joe and the Ho both support BLM, Antifa, the protests, the riots, the looting…If Trump is reelected (which I predict he will in a landslide) he can invoke the Insurrection Act, nationalize the National Guard without the Governors’ permission, and end this insanity.

    But, but, but…Orange Man bad…must have Joe…he’ll fix things before he resigns so the Ho can become President and along with Obama and Clinton, & Soros et fils, take charge.

    Oh what a tangled web the Never Trumpers weave

    Horatio (890b34)

  5. Insurrection. Similar to how many communist regimes engaged in violence to come to power.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  6. Minneapolis to rochester, everywhere where they see an opening. The apelbaum link shows insurgency has been sown.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  7. Horatio @ 4,

    Do not refer to Kamala Harris as “Ho,” or you will find yourself in moderation.

    Dana (292df6)

  8. Dana, I don’t think your corner is particularly lonely. I think 95%+ Americans believe shooting cops isn’t OK, and over half think cops should have their bad behavior condemned. I think you’re probably in the majority, or at least a very large group with your stance.

    Nate (5efffe)

  9. Can I refer to her as another fake “African-American”?

    Horatio (890b34)

  10. The comments on the Sheriff’s tweet tell you all you need to know about people who say ‘Blue Lives Matter’ is offensive.

    I wonder if those students who seek the firing of a prof for being present at a pro-cop rally would demand the firing of someone cheering on attempted cop executions.
    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  11. Do not refer to Kamala Harris as “Ho,” or you will find yourself in moderation.

    How about “barely closeted Marxist.”

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  12. I’m sure Naomi Osaka can’t wait to wear face masks with the names of the cops on them.

    beer ‘n pretzels (8202d3)

  13. UPDATE by JVW: Here’s the video of the jackass protesters, if you can stomach it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvHo7c3FG1k

    JVW (ee64e4)

  14. UPDATE BY PATTERICO: If you’re looking to lose faith in the decency of humanity, by all means click on the tweet above and read some of the responses, or watch the video JVW embedded. The job will be accomplished quickly.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  15. makes me sick to my stomach

    mg (8cbc69)

  16. Some one who has comfronted enemies abroad

    https://mobile.twitter.com/mchooyah/status/1305156926112780296

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  17. @16 – I would submit to you that unless individuals are taught to be “decent”, there is no such things as “the decency of humanity”. These individuals were never taught decency

    Horatio (890b34)

  18. I’ve updated the post with Trump’s and Biden’s response to the shooting.

    Dana (292df6)

  19. Harris has encouraged by word and deed, so please give her more authority.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  20. We are at a point where all LEOs are locked in a no-win situation. They are guilty from the get-go, and because that’s the default position held by many Americans, it means that there is no possibility for them to be seen as anything but…

    I have a young friend who served as a Marine after completing his college degree. He then passed all the necessary tests and screening, and met the qualifications to get into CHP academy. He is now waiting for the academy to re-open (temporarily closed due to pandemic) and he will be on his way to a career in law enforcement. I fear for him, and what he might face. It’s a catch-22 because we desperately need law enforcement officers who are principled, operate from a fixed set of values and truly want to serve and protect, and yet too frequently, that career path just makes one a target because the individual is automatically perceived as (and frequently) treated as the enemy. The ideals or values of the individual matter not a whit. The uniform alone is what condems them.

    Dana (292df6)

  21. its sadly unsurprising, with every we know about the head of this movement,

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/27/convicted-terrorist-black-lives-matter-thousand-currents/

    curiously politico did a profile of rosenberg, about three weeks before the floyd incident, arbery was the first match that didn’t strike,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  22. Nothing like the President of the United States calling Americans “animals that must be hit hard” to make people respect authority. This orange mother-figure and his incestuous offsprings of dogs and pigs supporters have declared war on half the country and relish all the blood that flows. On either “side”.

    nk (1d9030)

  23. its an insurgency, like your friend faced in afghanistan or iraq, we know of one police officer, who was a very able commander in ramadi, in the early part of the war, no one was killed the year he was stationed there, of course there was a malcontent, who had to complain for reasons,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  24. The reactions of the two presidential candidates — one normal and appropriate, the other grating, immature, and degrading of the office — are exactly what we have come to expect.

    I don’t really know what to make of a country that elects someone like this — and watches him behave like this, and yet threatens to elect him again. However remote that threat might be (and it’s not remote enough), the fact that it’s a real threat says something dismal about the United States.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  25. Given that this occurred in Compton, it’s probably gang related, with no political implications.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  26. its an insurgency, like your friend faced in afghanistan or iraq

    It’s Baader-Meinhof in reverse, with Trump being the violent provocateur trying to elicit violent reaction and plunge the country into civil war.

    nk (1d9030)

  27. @27

    Sorry, I don’t agree. Your comments would be apt if the officers had been injured from a natural event, like a lightning storm or earthquake.

    In this case, however, they were injured by politically inspired violence that the Democrats have been fomenting, and then trying to talk out of both sides of their mouth and condemn. I am not buying it. Biden has to forcefully reject BLM and Antifa, or he and his party (and running mate) have blood on their hands.

    Trump, for his part, engages in his usual bufoonery. The real issue here is not the violence per se, but its cultivation by one party for political purposes. He needs to focus on that.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  28. Trump is the one with blood on his hands and until my comment all the “politicizing” here was pro-Trump.

    nk (1d9030)

  29. And BTW, the statement:

    Violence of any kind is wrong

    is utter equivocating male cow excrement. (This is a family blog, after all.)

    Questions for Mr. Biden:

    If you are elected president, and someone tries to shoot you (like John Hinckley Jr. tried with Ronald Reagan), and the Secret Service shoots him first to prevent your assasination, is that “wrong?” Isn’t that “violence of any kind?”

    How about if a cop is responding to a domestic abuse call by a woman who claims her boyfriend is beating her, and when they arrive, the boyfriend is belligerent, evades arrest, runs to a car, and appears to be pulling out a weapon? Is violence “wrong” then?

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  30. Trump, for his part, engages in his usual bufoonery.

    Will “Trump just being Trump” never get old with you people? Can’t you vary it with something like “rabies just being rabies” once in a while?

    nk (1d9030)

  31. …..they were injured by politically inspired violence that the Democrats have been fomenting …….The real issue here is not the violence per se, but its cultivation by one party for political purposes. He needs to focus on that.

    There is absolutely no evidence (unless you are hiding it) that Democratic politicians are behind this shooting or any other, aside from your partisan hatred. If any politician is cultivating the violence for political advantage, it is Trump.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  32. @30 That’s nonsense. It is not a choice between thinking everything is fine and being for violence in the streets. There are a lot of people with legitimate concerns about the power of law enforcement (including many conservatives) who are not pro-riots.

    Nic (896fdf)

  33. How about “barely closeted Marxist.”

    Oh, i dunno. I think that Kamala would profess any ideology that allowed her maximum power.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  34. The reactions of the two presidential candidates — one normal and appropriate, the other grating, immature, and degrading of the office — are exactly what we have come to expect.

    I don’t really know what to make of a country that elects someone like this

    I think it’s because they were really tired of measured and appropriate responses. Upper-middle-class nuance has a limited appeal.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  35. Populism is not a flaw in democracy, but a needed force of periodic correction.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  36. Given that this occurred in Compton, it’s probably gang related, with no political implications.

    Assuming this wasn’t sarcasm, it’s silly. This was a blatant act of political terrorism, of if you prefer political rebellion. But NO gang would want to be found responsible for this as the Big Blue Gang would be all over them.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  37. @37 – Here, here…enough with the nuance, and the “friends across the aisle” nonsense…

    Horatio (193edf)

  38. Trump, for his part, engages in his usual bufoonery

    Well, yes, but consider that the bulk of voters have IQs between 90 and 110. Brutus appealed to the crowd’s intellect after Caesar was killed. Mark Antony appeal to their emotions and prejudices. Guess who won. (Well, Octavius, later, but that’s not the point).

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  39. As has been pointed out, Biden’s buffoonery is more subtle, but it is there.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  40. the mayor kneeled didn’t he, so did the police commissioner, telling us who is the master and who is the servant.

    I spell out where it comes from, this one shooter is just a foot soldier, but the ground has been trod before by ayers, derrick bell, and susan rosenberg, so while we wallow in the merde of a plo apologist for two threads without any apology, that’s whats going,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  41. It wasn’t Trump’s campaign bailing rioters out of jail.
    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  42. This should not have to even be said. At one time, reasonableness was understood:

    It is not a choice between thinking everything is fine and being for violence in the streets. There are a lot of people with legitimate concerns about the power of law enforcement (including many conservatives) who are not pro-riots.

    Dana (292df6)

  43. It wasn’t Trump’s campaign bailing rioters out of jail.

    And it’s not them getting shot, either. It’s innocent cops paying for what some other cop, the kind who follows Trump’s advice to slam arrestees’ heads into police car doors, did.

    nk (1d9030)

  44. It is not a choice between thinking everything is fine and being for violence in the streets. There are a lot of people with legitimate concerns about the power of law enforcement (including many conservatives) who are not pro-riots.

    This is correct, but it does not mean that suggesting that the shooter in this attack was apolitical, nor that referring to him as an “animal” wasn’t correct (if ill-spoken; I’d prefer coward, assassin, walking-dead-man, etc).

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  45. Editing error: it does not mean that suggesting that the shooter in this attack was POLITICAL

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  46. 35. Count me among those with legitimate concerns. There are some deaths at the hands of LEO’s which are absolutely unnecessary and can be laid at the feat of a paramilitarization of law enforcement. I don’t think that has anything to do with race, but I do believe we need to get back to community policing.

    Gryph (f63000)

  47. Question: Is the Cold Civil War warmer now?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  48. This should not have to even be said.

    At one time, reasonableness was understood:
    It is not a choice between thinking everything is fine and being for violence in the streets. There are a lot of people with legitimate concerns about the power of law enforcement (including many conservatives) who are not pro-riots.

    It should not be said because it is a straw-man argument. The probem here is not calling for law enforcement reforms. It is providing rhetorical support for radical, violent protest groups, and then when they behave as expected, trying to have it both ways by condeming “all violence.”

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  49. 49 — I basically agree. It is not a race problem, it is a police training problem. It is a real issue, just not the issue being pushed by one side of the political landscape.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  50. BTW, a BLM march passed peacefully down a street near my house here in Rio Rancho Saturday, despite a few redneck fools trying to start trouble. Then again my neighborhood is probably more integrated than the area at large. A fair number of black and brown folks, AND a number of cops. All living together without strife.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  51. 53 — Same happened in our NJ town. We had one BLM march, completely peaceful, and that was it.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  52. Responses:

    Trump- heated; right in line w/t ‘law & order’ campaign strategy.

    Biden- boilerplate. The Teleprompter Man likely didn’t even write it. But his staff may have plagiarized it. No doubt a search is on by the press. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  53. “BLM” was a movement with a simple goal: raising awareness that not everyone is treated fairly/equally by the authorities. Once it got traction, it got swamped by the scoundrels who wanted to share the spotlight.

    Much the same thing happened to the Tea Party, with everyone from the libertarians to Donald Trump climbing onto the bandwagon, until it fell apart.

    Don’t conflate this shooting with BLM, except that the shooter (and some morons with signs) probably thinks so. Most BLM followers are horrified.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  54. 47.

    This is correct, but it does not mean that suggesting that the shooter in this attack was apolitical, nor that referring to him as an “animal” wasn’t correct (if ill-spoken; I’d prefer coward, assassin, walking-dead-man, etc).
    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 9/13/2020 @ 1:18 pm

    I can’t follow what you don’t think the shooter wasn’t against. (IOW, wut?)

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  55. 56. So why even continue to call it “BLM?” Wouldn’t right-thinking individuals want to distance themselves from Marxist agitprop? Or am I oversimplifying things here as I am wont to do?

    Gryph (f63000)

  56. 40.

    @37 – Here, here…enough with the nuance, and the “friends across the aisle” nonsense…
    Horatio (193edf) — 9/13/2020 @ 12:51 pm

    I don’t know which side of the aisle I have more friends on. What I do know is that I have little interest in befriending anyone who says “no friends across the aisle.”

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  57. Patterico (115b1f) — 9/13/2020 @ 11:39 am

    I don’t really know what to make of a country that elects someone like this — and watches him behave like this, and yet threatens to elect him again. However remote that threat might be (and it’s not remote enough), the fact that it’s a real threat says something dismal about the United States.

    BO and JB ran against W‘s WoT and then gave us more WoT. JB is now in favor of more WoT only because Trump is against it. JB and KH we’re both in favor of the criminal justice policies they’re now running against and were responsible for helping to implement them. The current D’s support BLM and Antifa and BLM/A support this violence. But we’re supposed to elect JB, KH, and more D’s to make the violence stop. I don’t know what to make of country either.

    frosty (f27e97)

  58. @47 It certainly could have been political, it also might not have been (something about the way it looks on video seems weird). I would not say the killer was an animal. I know what he meant, but generally animals kill for food. It’s people who participate in wanton violence. It’s our own damning proclivities toward violence that are the problem here.

    @49 I think when we’ve talked about it in the past, that our ideas of good policing are pretty similar.

    @51 There are people who gain from fomenting violence, but it isn’t the “normal” pols on either side of the aisle. In the political realm, it is the crazies on the far end of either group. Frankly, for all the political hay making while the sun shines in the edgier regions of politics, this is a real issue for real people. Posting extremist statements to gin up controversy (I am not including your statement in this, it’s an overall judgement of what I see going on) isn’t useful for people trying to actually live in this country.

    @56 I agree.

    @58 If someone super rude came on here calling himself “Gryph” would you change your name or would you fight to get them relabeled?

    Nic (896fdf)

  59. 56

    Don’t conflate this shooting with BLM, except that the shooter (and some morons with signs) probably thinks so. Most BLM followers are horrified.

    I juess what I was trying to ask you in #57 is whether you think there’s any evidence the shooter associated himself with BLM. Assume for the sake of argument he’s a lifelong cop-hating violent criminal. Is BLM automatically saddled with him even if he might have committed the same shooting if BLM never existed? I’d say no unless he was actually active in BLM.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  60. 59. Let me put it to you this way, Lurker: I’m not interested in being friends with anyone else who sees me as an enemy.

    Gryph (f63000)

  61. 61. If I thought that in calling themeselves “Gryph” they were slandering me, that would be one thing. But this is an internet forum that allows for a degree of anonymity, and is thusly a rather poor comparison. “BLM” is a Marxist domestic terrorism movement that is using the cloak of anonymity (as long as they don’t get caught, of course) to destroy homes, businesses, and sometimes even take lives in acts of blatant murder. I’d do everything in my power to distance myself from that, whether or not I thought “systemic racism” was actually a thing (I don’t).

    Gryph (f63000)

  62. It’s hard not to nod when Trump calls him an animal who must be brought down, because we saw this animal do this terrible thing. Of course the president needs to preside calmly.

    It’s a bad world and we all need to pray for it.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  63. @33. Will “Trump just being Trump” never get old with you people?

    ‘Dallas’ ran 14 seasons— and J.R. Ewing, the bad boy everybody loved and loved to hate, did pretty much the same reprehensible things in every episode from 1978 to 1991.

    In this era, Americans don’t want to be governed; they wish to be entertained.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  64. 66. And Trump is good enough at the latter, to convince his lackies that he’s good at the former. And here we are.

    Gryph (f63000)

  65. 60.

    The current D’s support BLM and Antifa and BLM/A support this violence.
    frosty (f27e97) — 9/13/2020 @ 1:49 pm

    That’s a lie. I know a lot of Democrats. Almost all of them support BLM, but not one supports Antifa or violence. And the one person I know who considers herself “Antifa-lite” (i.e., she approves of attacking property but not people), wants no more to do with Democrats than she does with Republicans. I don’t doubt there are exceptions, but Antifa-types almost unanimously vote for the Jill Steins of the world or not at all.

    Saying Democrats support Antifa is much less accurate than saying Republicans support QAnon, which runs GOP supported candidates endorsed by Donald Trump. Find me an Antifa candidate running as a Democrat, much less one with Joe Biden’s endorsement.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  66. Trump inflames passions, which is gratifying to his supporters and people who are upset by current events. Passion makes is feel like we are doing something, unlike calm measured responses. But these moments are the times to remain calm and not let our passions rule our thoughts and actions.

    DRJ (aede82)

  67. Part of American success is we chose law and order over the inflamed passions of vigilantism.

    DRJ (aede82)

  68. Uhh, this is a child doing the shooting in the LA County Sheriff’s video. I’d bet 16 or younger, so gang initiation probably. Adding “Black Kid + Gangs = Democrats Bad” is just dumb.

    Trump immediately jumping into killing the kid is also dumb. And yes, I know he didn’t specifically say gun this kid down in the street, but context matters, so the earlier “retribution” tweet is completely on point.

    Trump responds to everything like he’s a child, so yeah, that sounds about right.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  69. If he is under 18 then he can’t get the death penalty, even if a victim dies, because of the Roper case.

    DRJ (aede82)

  70. L.A. County deputies arrest radio reporter covering protest outside hospital
    Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies arrested a public-radio reporter as she covered protests that had erupted outside a hospital where two deputies were being treated for gunshot wounds suffered Saturday evening in an “ambush” attack.

    The reporter, Josie Huang, of KPCC and LAist, was taken into custody outside St. Francis Medical Center in Lynwood and released hours later. She received a citation for allegedly violating the obstruction law, Penal Code section 148.
    ………
    Video posted by ABC7 showed multiple deputies pinning Huang to the ground and handcuffing her.

    “We saw one of the radio reporters that was here at the scene, she had rushed up to the police line there to see what was going on when she was suddenly taken down by the deputies,” said ABC7 reporter Leanne Suter. “We are not exactly sure what happened there, why they tackled her and put her into a patrol car, but that happened.”
    …..
    The LA County Sheriff’s deputies have been involved in several shootings over the past six months and has pretty poor community relations. They also filmed the Kobe Bryant crash site before the bodies were removed and shared them among friends, but were never punished.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  71. There appears to be several different levels of rabid at play here.
    “Death penalty for cop killers” via an entirely aspirational fast track (never going to happen no matter what Trump says or does), rabid like the people laughing at the scene and saying this is the only way to get justice, and finally rabid like the fine people who show up at the hospital. Sometimes I get Trump level rabid, I got level two rabid on 9-11 but level three seems to be shoot the dog because it is foaming mouth dangerous and crazed rabid. No I’m not saying anyone should be shot, its America and the 1st amendment allows us to act and speak foaming mouth crazy and I’m proud of it. Just wish people knew when to dial back out of decency.

    I can tell this hit the host hard. I hope you can find a bit of peace, refuge somewhere today.

    steveg (43b7a5)

  72. “Black Kid + Gangs = Democrats Bad” is just dumb.

    I’ll remember this next time we do

    Black Kid + White Cop = Republicans Bad

    beer ‘n pretzels (23354e)

  73. @72-
    The security camera uses a wide angle lense so it distorts the height of anyone it sees. But it wouldn’t surprise me if you were right.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  74. If he is under 18 then he can’t get the death penalty, even if a victim dies, because of the Roper case.

    Regardless, the real reason he won’t get the death penalty: it’s California.

    He may get on death row, but yeah c’mon. Thank people like Kamala for that.

    beer ‘n pretzels (23354e)

  75. “Black Kid + Gangs = Democrats Bad” is just dumb.

    I’ll remember this next time we do

    Black Kid + White Cop = Republicans Bad

    Please do, because the last time, there was no one here saying that either. Lots of people, ahem–you, intimating that, but you do you, but reality will still exist whether you like it or not.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  76. The last time was a white cop, and a white cop, and an asian cop, and a black cop + black man = bad cops and dead man.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  77. A built-in danger to ruling by passion is the belief that one’s view is the right view because of the emotion it inspires. The more passionate the individual or group, the more in the right they believe themselves to be, and stronger is the belief that they alone hold the moral high ground. The value of, and limits of law are diminished in favor of how the individual feels. Throughout the nation, these past few months, we have witnessed the effects of this sort of thinking. And in typical fashion, it demands the abandonment of any guiding principles. After its first self-indulgent temptation is given in to, it’s a dismantling down the line.

    Dana (292df6)

  78. @5-
    Insurrection. Similar to how many communist regimes engaged in violence to come to power.

    Insurrection. Similar to how many communist regimes fell power.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  79. Update: The two deputies are now out of surgery. Both deputies were sworn in a mere 14 months ago. The sheriff’s department is offering a $100,000 reward for info leading to the arrest/conviction of the suspect.

    Dana (292df6)

  80. Mr Pretzels wrote:

    If he is under 18 then he can’t get the death penalty, even if a victim dies, because of the Roper case.

    Regardless, the real reason he won’t get the death penalty: it’s California.

    He may get on death row, but yeah c’mon. Thank people like Kamala for that.

    Your current Governor has a moratorium on executions, but that’s not all: the last execution in the Pyrite State was in 2006.

    The only was this cretin gets death is if he sufficiently resists arrest. Best outcome? He resists arrest sufficiently to get shot, but survives, paralyzed, and lives for forty more years as a quadriplegic.

    OK, OK, that’s wrong of me! Today’s first reading was about the necessity of forgiveness (Sirach 27:30 – 28:7)

    The Dana in Kentucky (9f30da)

  81. @67. And here we are.

    From there you were; Reaganoptics:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYeNuISN4Dc

    You swooned then; you swear now…

    Trump is you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. 85. Try again, you cynical old fart. I wasn’t old enough to vote until 1996.

    Gryph (f63000)

  83. 84. Should we forgive people who are unrepentant? I think that’s a question that gets lost in the shuffle of modern feel-good pseudochristianity.

    Gryph (f63000)

  84. Actually no, only romania was in the insurrectionary stage and only against the ceacescus

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  85. 84. Should we forgive people who are unrepentant? I think that’s a question that gets lost in the shuffle of modern feel-good pseudochristianity.
    Gryph (f63000) — 9/13/2020 @ 4:34 pm

    ..and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

    Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.

    In a word, Yes, we should. The forgiveness of our own sins depends on it. Their unrepentance does not affect us, it affects them. Just as our repentance does not affect them, but us.

    We can forgive without being asked. But you are right that one must ask for forgiveness in order to receive it – from God.

    felipe (023cc9)

  86. That was so nice of Joe Biden to send his thoughts and prayers. Presidential. Amazing.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  87. @86. Then you learned something. The stink lasts 40 years from the reign of that COF.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  88. @90. “No miracle is coming.” 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  89. Now its lancasters turn, because reasons.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  90. 91. Whatever you think of Reagan (and I think his legacy is vastly overstated by his admirers), you make it sound like he was my fault somehow.

    Gryph (f63000)

  91. 89. Nowhere in the bible does it say “do not judge.” It’s nowhere in the decalogue of any of the major world’s religions. There are numerous warning, in the bible and elsewhere, to be cautious of how we judge because God will judge us by the same measure we apply to others.

    Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

    Matthew 7:5

    Gryph (f63000)

  92. DCSCA is a Cold War Communist fellow traveler, if not a card-carrying member of Communist International. He hates Goldwater for his anti-Communist crudade; he hates Reagan for bringing down the Soviet Union; and he loves Trump for helping Putin resurrect it.

    nk (1d9030)

  93. Gryph (f63000) — 9/13/2020 @ 5:26 pm

    Measure for measure.

    felipe (023cc9)

  94. Hes not coherent enough for that, man of mystery second rate zelig, putin not a nice guy, compared to kagame small beer. Compare to xi same deal.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  95. ..and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

    “We”, “us”. I can forgive those who trespass against me. I’ll take a look for my warrant of authority to forgive those who trespass against felipe and Gryph. Nope, don’t see it anywhere. God must have given it to Someone Else.

    nk (1d9030)

  96. Felipe has remarkable ability to bear foolishness, i know its the argument clinic but theres an extra degree of obtuseness.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  97. nk (1d9030) — 9/13/2020 @ 5:56 pm

    Heh!

    felipe (023cc9)

  98. 97. Indeed. Or to put it another way, “An eye for an eye would render the world blind.”

    Gryph (f63000)

  99. An eye for an eye is a limitation. Only an eye for an eye. And since in those days taking out a person’s eye could very well lead to him dying from an infection, in practice it was “money for an eye”. On the other hand, a “life for a life” was interpreted as “no blood money”. Homicide could not be bought off.

    nk (1d9030)

  100. 103. As Jesus so appropriately pointed out to his disciples, some of the laws as set forth by moses were merely minimum standards of behavior and represented concessions to “a stiff-necked people.” He held his followers to a higher standard of conduct.

    Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    Matthew 5:48

    Gryph (f63000)

  101. I wonder which statement (Biden or Trump) resonates with the Sheriff’s Deputies at that hospital.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  102. @96. Helsinki.

    Spasiba. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  103. I can’t follow what you don’t think the shooter wasn’t against. (IOW, wut?)

    Which is why I corrected it. Still waiting on the Edit function.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  104. @96/@98. Confucius say personal stabs betray arguer w/dull blade.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  105. I don’t really know what to make of a country that elects someone like this — and watches him behave like this, and yet threatens to elect him again. However remote that threat might be (and it’s not remote enough), the fact that it’s a real threat says something dismal about the United States.

    Both parties lost the plot somewhere around Florida 2000. They seem to have fallen into a twofold strategy: 1) Keep the upper-middle-class happy with the stock market and donating and 2) Negate anything the other party favors.

    This isn’t argument any more, it’s contradiction.

    Trump said he’d change that but he really hasn’t. Upper-middle-class saw their wealth double in the last 4 years, and the political warfare has been dialed up to “11”

    I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again: We need a new, mainstream party in the VAST political niche left by these two blundering leviathans. California would be a good place to start as they’re is currently only one party, trying to blame so many things on the ghosts of the CA GOP. $22 billion for a train from Bakersfield to Merced, while the state burns? How do they get ANY votes?

    Luckily starting a new party in CA and getting candidates on the down-ballot is EASY. Much easier than running an independent campaign. I suggest a centrist party aiming to devolve the Federal power back to the states. But whatever.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  106. 50.Question: Is the Cold Civil War warmer now?

    Is Pennsylvania’s Little Round Top from Scranton– or Wilmington, this week?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  107. Nowhere in the bible does it say “do not judge.”

    I love it when people say “He’s so judgemental!” cause it allows me to point out they are being judgemental. Not that they agree ever.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  108. Assume for the sake of argument he’s a lifelong cop-hating violent criminal.

    Still, he is piggybacking on the movement and telling himself he’s a hero, just as those ah0les outside the hospital did.

    Look, there’s BLM and then there are all the lost causes that are seeking to crowd into the spotlight. Same thing happened with the Tea Party after a while.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  109. Pennsylvania’s Little Round Top

    Hard to say. Then there is California’s Little Round Heels.

    I denounce myself.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  110. It happened in New York City, too, after the death of Eric Garner.

    nk (1d9030)

  111. Getting the cart before the horse. Whose been waging the culture war for 50 years, who has been meekly responding. Then there was the wholesale offshoring ofamerican industry that went on steroids after 1999

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  112. So a shooting entitles you to burn down a city, the rage act got in 92, actually 1980, when the mcduffie case went pearshaped 82 and 89 were the chasers.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  113. @117. ROFLMAOPIP

    “[F]reedom’s untidy. And free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things.” – Donald Rumsfeld, 4-11-03

    Reaganoptics.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  114. @106 There are very good reasons we don’t let friends and family of the victim on the jury. 😛

    Nic (896fdf)

  115. Getting the cart before the horse. Whose been waging the culture war for 50 years, who has been meekly responding. Then there was the wholesale offshoring ofamerican industry that went on steroids after 1999

    Do you? Do you know that the term culture war was coined in 1991, you’re off by 20 years.

    So a shooting entitles you to burn down a city, the rage act got in 92, actually 1980, when the mcduffie case went pearshaped 82 and 89 were the chasers.

    I assume you were referring to the Whisky Rebellion of 1791, so you’re off by a year, but 1783 was actually the first riot of the type you describe in the Pennsylvania Mutiny. Oh, you’re talking about 1980, you missed it by thhiiisss much, 200 years.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  116. lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/13/2020 @ 2:25 pm

    That’s a lie. I know a lot of Democrats. Almost all of them support BLM, but not one supports Antifa or violence. And the one person I know who considers herself “Antifa-lite” (i.e., she approves of attacking property but not people), wants no more to do with Democrats than she does with Republicans. I don’t doubt there are exceptions, but Antifa-types almost unanimously vote for the Jill Steins of the world or not at all.

    The air gap between Antifa and BLM is barely measurable to anyone not searching for it with a microscope. BLM is pro-violence. They admit this to anyone who will listen. Harris herself is on record as supporting the riots. You can support police reform and/or what BLM claims to be about and not support violence. You can’t support the BLM organization without also supporting violence.

    Saying Democrats support Antifa is much less accurate than saying Republicans support QAnon, which runs GOP supported candidates endorsed by Donald Trump. Find me an Antifa candidate running as a Democrat, much less one with Joe Biden’s endorsement.

    D’s are fundraising to provide bail for rioters and looters and these riots have been destroying property and killing people for months. There have been D pols arrested for participating and/or organizing some of the BLM riots.They are being encouraged by D’s who thought they would work to their political advantage.

    There is no qanon organization. There are no qanon riots destroying property or killing people.

    frosty (f27e97)

  117. Those things actually happened down Miami way, usually prefaced by the term “Overtown Riot of 19##”. It is also a tell as to why Marco Rubio without hesitation said “Black Lives Matter” in the early part of the 2016 campaign – from 1979 to 1982, the Rubio family was living in Las Vegas (the riots were sparked by Cuban cop on american Black (as opposed to a Haitian or Islander) assailant incidents).

    urbanleftbehind (5229a6)

  118. lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/13/2020 @ 2:25 pm

    Saying Democrats support Antifa is much less accurate than saying Republicans support QAnon, which runs GOP supported candidates endorsed by Donald Trump. Find me an Antifa candidate running as a Democrat, much less one with Joe Biden’s endorsement.

    This argument highlights one of the problems we’re all trying to come to terms with. No matter what I think about qanon or antifa what Americans are supposed to do is get involved in the political process peacefully. My biggest issue with antifa is they reject representative democracy and they choose violence instead. I’d be fine with an antifa candidate. I wouldn’t vote for them, I’d speak out against them, I’d think it was a contradiction given antifa’s ideology but I wouldn’t say they didn’t have a right to run for office. BLM also rejects our current system and embraces marxism, which is also violent. But there are a lot of people (some on this blog) doing their best to ignore this violence while also suggesting that the real problem is people they really don’t like possibly getting elected.

    frosty (f27e97)

  119. Trump says the shooting of the antifa person suspected of shooting the trump supporter by federal marshals was “retribution!” Ok remember when biden wins AOC will be giving orders on who is to be given retribution.

    asset (43bcc0)

  120. Gryph asked me:

    Should we forgive people who are unrepentant? I think that’s a question that gets lost in the shuffle of modern feel-good pseudochristianity.

    The Book of Sirach, also known as Ecclesiasticus, was written somewhere between 200 and 175 BC; I don’t think it could be called “modern feel-good pseudochristianity.”

    While our Separated Brethren do not consider Sirach to be divinely inspired, all Christians accept the Gospel of St Matthew. Yesterday’s Gospel reading was Matthew 18:21-35, the parable of the unmerciful servant. The lesson is that those who are unwilling to forgive cannot expect forgiveness themselves.

    Alas I am hardly a perfect Catholic! There are times I have held bitterness too closely in my heart. But forgiveness is a basic, essential part of Christianity.

    The Dana in Kentucky (9f30da)

  121. 125. Right. You are forgiven by the measure with which you forgive. You are judged by the measure with which you judge. I’ve never taken that to mean “don’t judge,” but rather if I must judge, do so with temperance and mercy

    Gryph (f63000)

  122. Well said, Gryph

    Dustin (4237e0)

  123. the perpetrators were the counterparts of susan rosenberg and judy clark’s group, the may 19th movement

    https://www.odmp.org/officer/7273-patrolman-waverly-m-jones

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  124. asset (43bcc0) — 9/14/2020 @ 12:52 am

    He doesn’t need to win. We already know that BLM considers looting and rioting reparations. You really don’t need to pretend that anything Trump said gives you cover.

    frosty (f27e97)

  125. Obama was seven years old when my next-door neighbor’s son was killed by a Black Panther sniper shooting from a rooftop at Cabrini Green. He was eleven years old when Foster and Laurie were gunned down in New York by the Black Liberation Army.

    You people, your lies, and your lying orange!

    nk (1d9030)

  126. Gryph 126,

    I agree with your statement but I don’t think that flows from the admonitions against judging others. I think God wants us to show mercy because He wants us to love each other as He loves us.

    To me, when the Bible cautions us about judging others it is talking about not judging their souls — whether they will go to heaven because they are right with God. Only God can make that call.

    DRJ (aede82)

  127. this is whose side obama, mario’s quarrelsome brood, have put themselves with, lin miranda pushing for oscar lopez rivera, who bombed one of the theatres he performed in,

    I had a toilet backup, and took a whole year of atlantic issues to wipe it down,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  128. @121

    lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/13/2020 @ 2:25 pm

    That’s a lie. I know a lot of Democrats. Almost all of them support BLM, but not one supports Antifa or violence. And the one person I know who considers herself “Antifa-lite” (i.e., she approves of attacking property but not people), wants no more to do with Democrats than she does with Republicans. I don’t doubt there are exceptions, but Antifa-types almost unanimously vote for the Jill Steins of the world or not at all.

    The air gap between Antifa and BLM is barely measurable to anyone not searching for it with a microscope. BLM is pro-violence. They admit this to anyone who will listen. Harris herself is on record as supporting the riots. You can support police reform and/or what BLM claims to be about and not support violence. You can’t support the BLM organization without also supporting violence.

    Saying Democrats support Antifa is much less accurate than saying Republicans support QAnon, which runs GOP supported candidates endorsed by Donald Trump. Find me an Antifa candidate running as a Democrat, much less one with Joe Biden’s endorsement.

    D’s are fundraising to provide bail for rioters and looters and these riots have been destroying property and killing people for months. There have been D pols arrested for participating and/or organizing some of the BLM riots.They are being encouraged by D’s who thought they would work to their political advantage.

    There is no qanon organization. There are no qanon riots destroying property or killing people.

    frosty (f27e97) — 9/13/2020 @ 8:53 pm

    I’ll go further…

    BLM is the Marxist terrorist wing of the Democratic party. As in, the modern day brownshirts.

    How do I know this? Follow the money…

    The BLM organization is recieving oodles of money now, and beside the “cut” that the organization take (including the leadership), the rest gets funneled to ActBlue.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActBlue

    What does ActBlue do? Fund the various Democrat campaigns (particularly the more progressive candidates).

    Ergo… well, you get the picture.

    whembly (c30c83)

  129. You left out the Rothschilds, whembly.

    nk (1d9030)

  130. no thats what the protocols of christopher steele, had with the chabad orthodox sect

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/trump-campaign-far-outpacing-biden-money-given-small-donors-biden-leads

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  131. And here was Biden’s very next tweet after the one above:

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1305229763464900608

    26 years ago today, the Senate passed 10-year bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines—it was an effort I was proud to champion.

    These bans saved lives, and Congress should have never let them expire.

    As president, I’ll take on the
    @NRA
    and we’ll ban them once again.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  132. I wonder if the GOP will stand up to Biden, Rob? Maybe, maybe not. They don’t seem to care about policies and principles anymore, but somehow I think they will if Biden is elected.

    DRJ (aede82)

  133. @142

    I wonder if the GOP will stand up to Biden, Rob? Maybe, maybe not. They don’t seem to care about policies and principles anymore, but somehow I think they will if Biden is elected.

    DRJ (aede82) — 9/14/2020 @ 8:12 am

    GOP can’t stop a Democrat controlled House.

    Unless you think “Stand UP” is merely pontificating on their floor time?

    GOP can’t stop a Democrat controlled Senate, when Democrat leadership are ON RECORD to change the threshold to overcome a filibuster from today’s 60 to 51.

    Unless you think “Stand UP” is opining on cable news and reporters as to why Democrats are wrong to pass the Green New Deal, or raising taxes on everyone, or packing the federal courts.

    Please… elaborate on how the GOP will stand up to Biden.

    Frankly, I’d rather that Biden (and Democrat) aren’t position of power to get to that point…

    whembly (c30c83)

  134. DRJ,

    ‘did you read your link?

    A Boston judge had no authority to deny a prosecution bid to drop a disorderly conduct charge against a police observer at a “straight pride” parade, according to a justice on the state’s top court.

    Justice Frank Gaziano of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled Monday for Suffolk County District Attorney Rachael Rollins, who had sought dismissal in what is known as a nolle prosequi, report the Boston Herald, MassLive.com, Law360 and WBUR.

    The judge tried to take the case for himself when the State asked for dismissal. The high court overturned the judge and reprimanded him saying he was violating separation of powers and trying to take the State’s ‘power to prosecute’.

    Gaziano said Boston Municipal Court Judge Richard Sinnott wrongly exercised executive power that is reserved to the state under its constitution and infringed the separation of powers. Executive power gives the state the power to determine which cases to prosecute, Gaziano said.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  135. wrong thread

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  136. Stand up how DRJ? Schumer has made it clear the filibuster is gone if they win.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  137. So elect more good Senators?

    DRJ (aede82)

  138. And get back control of the House? Isn’t this how it always works?

    DRJ (aede82)

  139. Joe Biden condemned the shooting.

    https://nypost.com/2020/09/14/biden-condemns-violence-of-any-kind-after-officers-shootings

    “This cold-blooded shooting is unconscionable and the perpetrator must be brought to justice,” the 2020 Democrat’s tweet read, “Violence of any kind is wrong; those who commit it should be caught and punished. Jill and I are keeping the deputies and their loved ones in our hearts and praying for a full recovery.”

    Later he condemned the demonstration in favor of the shooting.

    In his longer statement Sunday, however, Biden offered praise for the police.

    “Brave officers who pin on the shield carry a sacred responsibility and make an extraordinary sacrifice. Just as they owe it to the American people to protect and serve with honor, restraint, and accountability, Americans owe it to them to lessen the needless danger of their inherently dangerous jobs,” the former vice president said.

    “Acts of lawlessness and violence directed against police officers are unacceptable, outrageous, and entirely counterproductive to the pursuit of greater peace and justice in America — as are the actions of those who cheer such attacks on. Those who perpetrate these crimes must be brought to justice, and, if convicted, face the full brunt of the law,” he added, before noting that those shot and their families were in his and his wife’s prayers.

    Sammy Finkelman (de7af0)

  140. So elect more good Senators?

    DRJ (aede82) — 9/14/2020 @ 8:29 am

    And get back control of the House? Isn’t this how it always works?

    DRJ (aede82) — 9/14/2020 @ 8:30 am

    If Biden wins the Whitehouse, Democrats are going to do much better in Congress.

    In any case, Biden won’t be standing up to his rabid, loud leftists in his party.

    There’s nothing wrong hating on Trump, but still voting for him if it’s a vote to prevent the Democrat radical policies from coming into fuition.

    whembly (c30c83)

  141. @150, or electing a Centrist democrat who might be able to bring some resolution to the problem that Trump has failed to improve…

    Time123 (dba73f)

  142. @151 Biden’s a centrist Democrat?

    No man. He’ll do whatever his party will push for, which will be far left agendas.

    whembly (c30c83)

  143. Hes riding with angela davis and bob avakian.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  144. DRJ,

    you have Dave and other “conservatives” on here say that the Republican party must be burned to the ground, the earth salted, and nothing left. They said anyone that isn’t NeverTrump must go no matter what replaces it.

    So come again?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  145. Trump is as much a centrist as anyone. As many have said over and over, he has no ideological core. But the left decided that they must rule. There is no compromise.

    And that’s from the day President Trump won the election.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  146. whembly (c30c83) — 9/14/2020 @ 9:57 am

    @151 Biden’s a centrist Democrat?

    No man. He’ll do whatever his party will push for, which will be far left agendas.

    But he doesn’t want to; that makes him a moderate and possibly a centrist.

    Sammy Finkelman (ccce11)

  147. @156 I don’t care if he doesn’t want to. He’s a politician that always goes with the prevailing wind in his party.

    I know he’ll appease his radical base.

    whembly (c30c83)

  148. https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/09/14/blm-riot-erupts-lancaster-police-shoot-knife-wielding-domestic-abuser/

    More peaceful rioting from the BLM/antifa supporters. All in support of a multiple time felon and someone attacking police with a knife.

    Keep supporting the left.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  149. At the very least he would have to drop harris, since she raised money flr the rioters pushed the ferguson lie et al

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  150. @156 I don’t care if he doesn’t want to. He’s a politician that always goes with the prevailing wind in his party.

    I know he’ll appease his radical base.

    whembly (c30c83) — 9/14/2020 @ 10:19 am

    It’s a future looking statement so it’s impossible to prove / disprove, but there isn’t much in his background to support it.

    Time123 (dba73f)

  151. Frosty @121-
    There are no qanon riots destroying property or killing people.

    There may not be explicit qanon riots, but there has been related violence:
    …….

    In June, a Massachusetts man led police on a chase through Massachusetts and New Hampshire with his five children in the car. In a live-stream Facebook video of the event, the man discussed QAnon conspiracies.

    In April, an Illinois woman was arrested in New York City for driving onto a pier with a car full of knives in an apparent attempt to reach a Navy hospital ship housing COVID-19 patients. In a live stream of her travels, the woman threatened to kill Joe Biden over claims of sex trafficking. She also posted about QAnon on Facebook before the incident.

    In March 2019, a New York man killed Francisco Cali, a member of the prominent Gambino crime family. The man said the CIA had infiltrated the Mafia. The incident came after the man requested the arrest of several high-profile Democrats. He supported QAnon and during one court appearance scrawled “Q” on the palm of his hand.

    In January 2019, a Seattle man was arrested for allegedly killing his brother with a sword. The man posted about QAnon on social media, the Daily Beast reported.

    In June 2018, a Nevada man in an armored truck blocked traffic on a bridge near the Hoover Dam, demanding the release of a government document and fleeing after a standoff with police. Law enforcement found weapons in his car. The man discussed QAnon beliefs after his arrest and cited them in letters he wrote from jail.

    In May 2018, the leader of an unofficial local veterans aid group falsely claimed that he had discovered a child sex trafficking ring at a homeless camp in Tucson, Ariz. He referenced QAnon as he and armed group members searched for other camps. He was later arrested for stealing and damaging water tanks belonging to a humanitarian group.
    ……
    There have also been violent incidents related to the Pizzagate conspiracy theory, which has been largely subsumed into QAnon. Supporters of the Pizzagate theory also believe a child sex trafficking ring is being run by Hillary Clinton and other Democratic officials.

    One armed man entered a Washington pizzeria in 2016 to investigate the baseless theory; another man motivated by conspiracy theories started a fire at the same pizza joint in 2019.

    Source

    In addition, the FBI considers Qanon a domestic terror threat.

    See also here for additional examples.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  152. Trump is as much a centrist as anyone. As many have said over and over, he has no ideological core. But the left decided that they must rule. There is no compromise.

    And that’s from the day President Trump won the election.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/14/2020 @ 10:09 am

    There’s a difference between wanting moderate changes and completely lacking a moral or ideological compass.

    Time123 (ae9d89)

  153. You are forgiven by the measure with which you forgive. You are judged by the measure with which you judge. I’ve never taken that to mean “don’t judge,” but rather if I must judge, do so with temperance and mercy

    I agree, Gryph, and would add the reminder that God tells us that his mercies are new every morning, and that His grace is always sufficient. That is the standard for us.

    Dana (292df6)

  154. @150 Then the Rs shouldn’t have spectacularly failed at reining in Trump. The consequences for spectacularly failing in politics is that the other side then may win. It’s possible that the Rs could have kept Trump more in line and reduced his risk to himself and to them if they had even bothered to demand good nominees for positions or refused to confirm bad ones, but they didn’t. They went all in and so have risked their control of government in doing so.

    @155 The problem with Trump isn’t his ideology (or lack there of) it’s that he’s a greedy, vain, self dealing, narcissistic criminal who doesn’t care about the law or the literal (or figurative really) lives of Americans.

    Nic (896fdf)

  155. Speaking of conspiracy theories:

    Trump Health Aide Alleges Broad Conspiracies and Warns of Armed Revolt
    ……
    Michael Caputo, 58, the assistant secretary of public affairs at the Department of Health and Human Services, said without evidence that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was harboring a “resistance unit” determined to undermine President Trump.

    Mr. Caputo, who has faced criticism for leading efforts to warp C.D.C. weekly bulletins to fit Mr. Trump’s pandemic narrative, suggested that he personally could be in danger.

    “You understand that they’re going to have to kill me, and unfortunately, I think that’s where this is going,” Mr. Caputo, a Trump loyalist installed by the White House in April, told followers in a video he hosted live on his personal Facebook page. Mr. Caputo has 5,000 Facebook friends, and the video has been viewed more than 850 times. It has been shared by 44 followers.
    …….
    Mr. Caputo suggested, also without evidence, that the August killing of a Trump supporter in Portland, Ore., by an avowed supporter of the left-wing collective known as antifa was part of a broader left-wing plot to target the administration’s supporters.
    …..
    …..He “went down fighting,” Mr. Caputo said. “Why? Because he couldn’t say what he had inside him.” He then spoke of “hit squads being trained all over this country” — a conspiracy theory unsupported by evidence.

    Mr. Caputo continued his social media effort after the Facebook event, retweeting a conspiratorial post that hinted with no evidence that armed camps were being established in Washington, D.C.: “Occupants don’t look like vagrants. Looks like forward basing for militant street ops,” J. Michael Waller, a conservative provocateur, posted.
    ……
    He accused officials at the C.D.C. and other government agencies — including the Department of Health and Human Services — of deliberately subverting the president’s efforts to contain the pandemic. The C.D.C., he said, was riddled with anti-Trump researchers who “walk around like they are monks” and “holy men” but engage in “rotten science.”
    ……

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  156. @154. Remember, George Will made a big show of announcing he is voting for Biden. George still doesn’t realize he has been Bill Buckley’d, either.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  157. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/14/2020 @ 10:45 am

    I count maybe 7 incidents by individuals that are clearly unhinged over a 2-4 year period. The sword incident isn’t clearly related to Q. You’ve just got them side by side hoping someone will think he killed his brother because of something Q. This is really an issue with all but the sex trafficking cases, i.e. they are unstable people who also reference Q.

    That is your counterbalance against riots involving thousands of people, multiple deaths, millions and possibly billons in property damage, the need to call out the national guard, targeted killings, and the VP candidate and other D pols promoting the riots, etc. over the past couple of months. This isn’t a couple of mentally unstable individuals. The BLM and Antifa people are very clear that they want to tear down “the system” and are willing to use violence for that.

    I’m not sure how long it took you to come up with this list but it only highlights the problem with the “but qanon” response to BLM/Antifa violence. I could probably come up with a list of more that 7 states that have seen serious BLM/Antifa riots. But sure, keep backing the violence and comparing BLM/Antifa to qanon.

    frosty (f27e97)

  158. it’s per his employement with media matters, which not only enjoys tax exemption, but access to ppp funds,

    https://www.steynonline.com/10627/feasting-on-blood

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  159. I’m not sure how long it took you to come up with this list but it only highlights the problem with the “but qanon” response to BLM/Antifa violence.

    It was you who brought up Qanon, not me.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  160. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/14/2020 @ 1:09 pm

    It was you who brought up Qanon, not me.

    No, lurker brought it up in @68 in a comment to me @60. You came in at @161 trying to defend BLM/A violence with a “whatabout” qanon list. So, you didn’t read the thread or you’re just lying, you thought “but right wing violence” was a winner, and now you’re trying to back out sideways and stepping on a rake. It’d would have been easier to just not post.

    frosty (f78232)

  161. The quote at the top of my post 161 is from you, not lurker.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  162. Frosty:

    See your post 121 at 9/13/2020 @ 8:53 pm.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  163. Has QAnon mentioned the pedophile ring with which Trump is intimately familiar, and whose chief procuress he recently wished well?

    nk (1d9030)

  164. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/14/2020 @ 4:57 pm

    The sequence is @60 from me with no qanon. @68 is lurker responding to me with a comment about qanon, aka the first mention in the chain. @121 is me responding to lurker’s @68. @161 is you joining the defense of BLM/A that lurker wisely walked away from. @168 is me responding to you. @170 is you lying. @171 is me explaining why you are at best incorrect. @172 is you doubling down and pretending the chain of comments started @121 and @173 is making me think your browser is broken or you just can’t get it to scroll back through the comments.

    On what part of God’s green earth does it even matter who brought it up? You’re trying to defend them, and failing, and you want to change the subject to who brought it up first because why?

    frosty (f27e97)

  165. I’m pretty sure Jesus knows humans are intemperate

    steveg (43b7a5)

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