The Plot Thickens: Biden and Trump Campaigns Strategize Over Country’s Civil Unrest
[guest post by Dana]
Barring any change in his schedule, President Trump will head to Kenosha tomorrow, in spite of Gov. Evers telling him not to come. Meanwhile, to the consternation of local Democrats, Joe Biden has opted out of making a visit today ahead of Trump:
Donald Trump, who’s planning to visit Kenosha on Tuesday, is claiming the mantle of law and order even as he stokes conflict between protesters and his supporters. Trump is trying to take credit for restoring order by loudly calling for an influx of National Guard troops and painting Democrats as too fearful of alienating their base to denounce violence.
Joe Biden last week called for a halt to the violence, though it took him longer than many Democrats wanted. The Democratic nominee decided over the weekend that he would not travel to the pivotal battleground state on Monday ahead of Trump’s visit. Instead, the Biden campaign plans to ramp up messaging that Trump’s rhetoric has only inflamed hostilities on the streets, beginning with a speech in Pennsylvania Monday.
Both party nominees are attempting to strike the right balance between the civil unrest and law and order that will benefit them most. In starker terms, how do Biden and Trump effectively condemn the violent civil unrest and urge the cities to regain control while, at the same time, use the turmoil to their advantage? And how does one effectively convey a ‘law and order’ theme in the battleground state:
The balancing act over the riots and police misconduct marks a new, intensifying phase of the election. Both campaigns are preparing for a burst of activity: Biden plans to break his monthslong hold on travel to swing states in the coming weeks, with stops expected initially in Wisconsin and Michigan in addition to Pennsylvania. He’s also looking to appear in Minnesota and Arizona soon.
But even as he and his running mate Kamala Harris cautiously plot a return to the road — a trip to Wisconsin could come as soon as later this week — some Democrats are expressing frustration that the ticket declined to visit Kenosha in the immediate aftermath of the Jacob Blake shooting. Some party members were already irritated that Biden did not give his convention speech in Milwaukee last week.
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Democrats fear Trump is diverting attention from his handling of the pandemic and the economy to the violence in Wisconsin and Portland. Biden himself has pointed to remarks by Trump advisers suggesting the violent clashes make for a favorable backdrop for the incumbent.
Biden’s attempt to quell the violence from afar is only boosting Trump in the must-win swing state, some Wisconsin Democrats contended.
I hate to say it, but it looks like it’s going to be an ugly week ahead. Buckle up.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (292df6) — 8/31/2020 @ 9:29 amBiden’s previous strategy:
Buckle up indeed.
BuDuh (236995) — 8/31/2020 @ 9:47 amHis campaign freed the rioters, but you saw the dark knight rises, it doesnt incur any obligation on their part.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 9:52 amNon judge rheinhold, the shooter wasnt charged last july, funny how that works
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 9:54 amMichael Flynn case does not have to be immediately dismissed, appeals court rules
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:09 amThere is an active open thread, Rip. Why go off Dana’s current topic so quickly?
BuDuh (236995) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:14 amIts all part of the same goolash, criminals and terrorists, are let loose the one who tried to kill pamela geller is up, of course miss thousand currents real life talia al ghul, bill ayers, a real hero like general flynn is thrown under the bus.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:17 amEvery week has been ugly, and this week will be no exception.
Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:20 amWe pretty much know what Trump will say tomorrow, and it’ll be pretty much “law and order”, blaming Democrats for all the violence, praise for Rittenhouse, condemnation for Antifa/BLM, and no discussion of the systemic racism and police mistreatment of black Americans that was triggered by Floyd’s murder (but Trump probably will say that he’s done more for black Americans than any other president except Lincoln).
I expect Biden will condemn all violence and destruction at protests (in Kenosha, Portland and elsewhere), uphold the principle of peaceful protest and the right of peaceable assembly, and he’ll address the systemic racism and police mistreatment of black Americans that Trump won’t talk about. If Biden were smart (yes, that’s arguable), he’d go on the attack and call out all of Trump’s lies and his pathetic Bible-toting photo op.
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Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:21 amBecause it is breaking news.
People are still posting on the open thread, Rip. They are discussing that same breaking news over there.
BuDuh (236995) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:24 amSo the likes of rittenhouse, that this deprepit old man mixed up with the sainted jacob blake has to run a gauntlet in his summer job. And creole obama is ready to teach the lesson, (he defeated that other blockhead marozzi who thought the russia stuff was real)
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:25 amThe poll numbers are on a big downswing for the Dems because they’ve not only stood down and watched while rioting/looting/destruction has been rampant in the cities where they are in charge, they’ve been encouraging the mayhem, aided and abetted by the media.
Now that they realize Trump may be re-elected due to their showing America exactly what is in store for everyone with a Biden win, they pivot and say all the violence is ‘Trump’s America’.
When that fails, they trot out the previously mentioned meme that it’s ‘bad people on both sides’..
They did this when they tried to equate the peaceful, law-abiding, clean and orderly Tea Party gatherings with the crime, destruction and trash of the Occupy idiots, which were an obvious precursor to the current dumpster fire for anyone not consumed by MoonBat Theory.
It was one of the things that helped convince Middle America that Hillary would be worse than Trump. Wonder if it will do the same with Biden.
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Shaun King
@shaunking
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In the average of all polls, Trump is now closer to Biden in battleground states, basically within the margin of error, than he was against Clinton on this same date in 2016.
It’s alarming.
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Frank Luntz
@FrankLuntz
Betting odds are now virtually tied for the 2020 presidential election.
• Biden: 50.6%
• Trump: 49.1%
Biden was leading 61-37 just one month ago.
harkin (cd4502) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:26 am_
@10 — on the “weekend open thread.” This is Monday, and not a holiday. It’s reasonable to assume that the weekend is past.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:31 amBidens staff paid for the party,
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jeff-reynolds/2020/08/31/exclusive-downtown-portland-resident-corrects-the-record-on-saturdays-deadly-shooting-n867760
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:33 amI think Biden’s message has bee fine.
-There is a legitimate issue about use of force by the police and accountability.
-Protests are a legal expression of our rights.
-Violence, Looting, an Rioting are not acceptable and need to be condemned.
But he’s been weak on it’s delivery and hasn’t done anything to push cities about the 3rd point.
Trump’s message has been horrible. But no one should expect more from him at this point.
As I said on a previous thread, Biden needs to start laying out what his solution looks like and advocating for it. He doesn’t have any official power, but people will respond to his statements.
Time123 (ae9d89) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:34 amBiden’s going to try to thread the needle say there are “good people on both sides” and no one will call him on the hypocrisy of it. But he’ll still keep funding the insurrectionists through cutout groups and anti-bail groups.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:34 amRadegunda, I thought Patterico had asked people to stay on topic. I must have been mistaken. If every thread is an open thread then so be it. Sorry for the confusion.
BuDuh (236995) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:36 amThis is why I don’t do politics. When I was a teacher, I didn’t get to choose my students. I had to take each one as they came, treat them all equally, try to the best of my ability to help them develop essential skills.
When I was a realtor, I didn’t get to choose sellers or buyers. I had to take each one as they came, treat them all equally, try to the best of my ability to help them understand market analysis, home value, financing, and all the rest.
I never discriminated against anybody. All I ever did was try to help everyone, anyone, in their time of need.
These are the essential skills: critical reading, analytical thinking, rhetorical writing.
That’s it. That’s just it, all you need to know in one simple lesson.
I don’t do politics, because politics are antagonistic. It does not and can not matter to me whether a student, or seller/buyer, is of one party affiliation or another.
As a teacher, all I want to do is help the student. As a realtor, all I want to do is help both the seller and the buyer negotiate a deal, without passion or prejudice.
And I did that, successfully, as a teacher and a realtor, for decades. Now, it has all fallen apart.
I don’t blame Trump, specifically; I blame all of his butt gerbils.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:37 amIt all fit into the template of using the epidemic as a selective locus for social contract, without the lockdown lloyd would likely not have been forced to pass bad checks, or relapse to his bad habits, you can multiply that hundred fold.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:39 amYou just repeat one parties talking points, without fail.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:40 amConservatives Are Defending a White Teenager Charged With Killing Two Protesters in Kenosha
Kyle Rittenhouse does not seem like a sympathetic figure. The teenager, who has been accused of fatally shooting two protesters in Kenosha on Tuesday, then fleeing the state of Wisconsin to avoid arrest, was taken into custody in Antioch, Illinois. He now faces a charge of first-degree intentional homicide. But since his arrest, right-wing commentators have tried to justify his behavior. Rittenhouse was acting in self-defense, or at least didn’t deserve a charge of first-degree murder. Protesters chased him; he must have felt threatened. And really, shouldn’t we blame Kenosha officials for letting everything get out of hand? There was property to protect, and protests to repress.
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On Twitter, others made excuses for the teen. Here’s the vice-president of government affairs for the Club for Growth (Scott Parkinson):
Video of the moments leading up to the first shooting does appear to show an object being thrown in Rittenhouse’s direction. But it doesn’t resemble a Molotov cocktail; it doesn’t appear to be on fire at all. In fact, it looks like a white plastic bag with a bottle of water or soda inside. That matters quite a lot if the argument is that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense……
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……The aspiring police officer and Trump supporter drove to Kenosha from his home in Illinois, after a local militia, the Kenosha Guard, put out a public call to arms on its Facebook page. The Kenosha Guard says that Rittenhouse didn’t belong to their group, but the teenager certainly seemed to think he did, or that he’d joined another organization like it. In a video taken before the shootings, he identified himself as a militia member and said, “People are getting injured, and our job is to protect this business. And part of my job is to also help people.”
Then, the shootings. The Times video analysis referenced by Parkinson is indeed helpful, though the details don’t necessarily support his conclusions. This is what it appears to show: A group of protesters pursued the teenager when someone (it’s not clear who, or whether he was even part of the original group) fired a handgun into the air some distance away. When someone reached out, either to tackle him or take his weapon, Rittenhouse fired multiple times, shot the man in the head, and killed him. He ran away a second time, followed by more protesters; then he killed another man and injured someone else.
There’s a lot we still don’t know about the incident. But based on what we’ve got, we can reach a reasonable explanation: A teenage vigilante with a gun he wasn’t legally allowed to possess sought out confrontation. He found it, and killed two people. He walked right past the Kenosha police after the killings, and they didn’t arrest him; as a result, he was able to flee back to Illinois.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:50 am……
To be fair, Rittenhouse is as much a Trump supporter as James Hodgkinson (the shooter at the 2017 Congressional Baseball game) was a Sanders supporter. Neither politician had anything to do with the violence.
Democrats wont defend a single institution, not the flag the founders a burning church, their conventio. Made me feel they would rather america not have existed, we are so unredeemably evil.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:58 am@17 — I’ve seen breaking news from time to time on other threads, sometimes seeding a new post.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:07 amIt is not reasonable to expect everyone to assume that the “weekend thread” still has an active discussion on Monday, and then chide someone for not so assuming.
Doubling up on the oleander, hopkinson targeted the entire freedom caucus, he met with two senators before he did so.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:07 amO.M.G.
Plagiarist JoeyBee is where the Allegheny meets the O-HI-o, cranking out a negative speech looking like he’s been sucking on a Heinz pickle on camera!
There he ‘joes’ again– the Max Headroom angry man teleprompter reader. Quotes dead FDR [who?– ask 120 million young people] and dead John Paul II… list after list of:
Doom! Doom! Doom!
And loses his place. He’s not running for president for himself he says. But for us.
No, Joe; you’ve said you’re running for Beau.
“All the networks dumped us. One of them said we made going to the moon as exciting as taking a trip to Pittsburgh.” – Henry Hurt [Xander Berkeley] ‘Apollo 13’ 1995
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:08 amInteresting Take From Zero Hedge
One Part of this that’s interesting is that while ZH clearly dislikes Biden he doesn’t have any problem with what Biden is saying.
Time123 (ae9d89) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:12 amAs a guest contributor here, it’s encouraging when people stay on topic in a new post, and a bit discouraging when they go off topic with their first comment. I work hard on posts and put thought and effort into them, so it’s rewarding when commenters use a post as a launching pad to discuss the post subject itself and events surrounding it. The weekend open thread is always available to post off-topic subjects. Just because the weekend is over doesn’t mean that you can’t post there. None of this is a hard and fast rule, of course. And I am only speaking for myself.
Dana (292df6) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:15 amKenosha goes under the flame, as the firestorm that started in portland moves east.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:20 amMemo to Plagiarist JoeyBee.
Subject: Valet Service
“The pocket handkerchief went out of fashion in the 1960’s, a decade when many so-called ”new wave” suits dispensed with chest pockets entirely.” -source,nytimes
But hey, Joe, if you wanna look like a dead grandfather, swell!
Mine was buried with one in his breast suit pocket– in 1988.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:23 amso the fact that his staff bailed out the riots, that kamala harris did an explicit fundraiser for them, that thousand currents organized this jamboree, the 1619 project is just the latest series of notes, in their symphony of devastation, of course almost all the media are in locksteps with the end of this project, and if you query them closely, they don’t even really care about the means,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:30 amHonestly, just can’t believe Biden’s handlers let him go on camera sounding like a cranky old man and looking like a cadaver. Nixon’s people could only do so much with what they had to work with, too, but at least he made an effort.
The medium is the message— and the sour method his people are letting him message is the actual message that is delivered. What he says gets bigfooted by how he is saying it.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:32 amJoe Biden and the Democrats have an interesting needle to thread: I think that suggestions that all of this rioting will stop once Trump is out of office strikes most independents as extortion — “Elect whom we want and nobody gets hurt” — so they need to avoid being that explicit. On the other hand, it’s largely been heavily Democrat areas which have been damaged by vandals and looters, and it has been Democrat mayors and governors who have opted to, as former Baltimore mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake liked to say, give space to those who wish to destroy. It will be interesting to see how he tries to appear resolute about putting an end to violence without angering the radical community whose votes I think he is really counting on.
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:36 aman illustration of my earlier point
https://pjmedia.com/culture/tyler-o-neil/2020/08/31/retaliation-la-county-cancels-churchs-lease-as-john-macarthur-continues-to-worship-god-n867445
I guess they’ll open up the stadiums for the lions next, but Trump is the problem,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:37 amI posted linehan’s link on the dead thread before, which twitter removed while they gave full voice to the rioters, to kilmonger’s message, to use a topical reference,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:39 amyes they are playing the luigi vercotti card, he should wear a mustache, and do an accent like peter sarabian (sic) in spy,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:44 amThe Democrats, who have spent months ignoring violence from their cadres, are now aghast at violence from the right, like the guy in Portland who accosted a bullet with his body, seem to be
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:44 amcalling the kettle blackjust a tad hypocritical.Ninety-five days of “protest” in Portland, most of which has included some form or other of destruction, violence, and/or vandalism, and the Democrat leadership wakes up to the issue only when someone at last get killed. It’s like the idiot authorities with Washington Highway Authority in Seattle who allowed “protesters” to shut down a stretch of an interstate highway every night for something like 30 consecutive days, until a car finally broke through and killed two people. It’s as if these morons know that reckless behavior is taking place, but they sit by and let it happen until someone inevitably gets killed.
There is a right to peacefully assemble guaranteed by our Constitution, but shutting down city streets and highways repeatedly night after night doesn’t seem to me to fit the bill.
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:50 amsome Democrats are expressing frustration that the ticket declined to visit Kenosha in the immediate aftermath of the Jacob Blake
I wonder why? The mostly peaceful demonstrators destroyed a large part of the city. Many of those mostly peaceful demonstrators probably received bail from their previous mostly peaceful demonstrating in places like Minnesota from the Biden/Harris campaign.
It’s no wonder why Biden and Harris want to avoid that visit. They helped cause it.
Hoi Polloi (2f1acd) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:53 amNever mind:
https://mobile.twitter.com/LeeSmithDC/status/1300497324049866759
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:55 amAppeals court lifts order reining in feds in Portland
A divided federal appeals court has lifted a judge’s order preventing federal law enforcement agents in Portland, Ore., from forcing journalists and legal observers from the scene of almost-nightly clashes between authorities and protesters.
The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals issued an order Thursday night temporarily granting the Justice Department’s request to lift a preliminary injunction U.S. District Court Judge Michael Simon imposed last week extending restrictions he placed on federal agents last month.
The panel split, 2-1. Two judges appointed by President Donald Trump, Eric Miller and Daniel Bress, provided the votes to stay the order issued by Simon, a Barack Obama appointee. The dissenting court of appeals judge was Margaret McKeown, a Bill Clinton appointee.
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“Given the order’s breadth and lack of clarity, particularly in its non-exclusive indicia of who qualifies as ‘Journalists’ and ‘Legal Observers,’ appellants have also demonstrated that, in the absence of a stay, the order will cause irreparable harm to law enforcement efforts and personnel,” the appeals court’s order said.
McKeown, the dissenting judge, said the fact that the restrictions on dispersing and attacking journalists have been in place for more than a month undermined the DOJ’s claims that federal officials were facing imminent harm from the injunction.
“In light of the deferential review accorded to the district court’s factual finding at this stage … including the finding that the injunction would not impair law enforcement operations to protect federal property and personnel, and the fact that a temporary restraining order has been in place since July 23, 2020, the government has failed to meet its burden to demonstrate either an emergency or irreparable harm to support an immediate administrative stay,” she wrote.
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(Attorney General) Barr insisted that federal officials in Portland are seeing to counter “aggressive mob violence,” not peaceful protests, and he decried city officials for failing to quell the lawbreaking. “The Department of Justice will continue to fully and fairly enforce federal law against these violent rioters,” the attorney general said.
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The lead attorney on the ACLU’s suit on behalf of journalists and legal observers, Matthew Borden, expressed disappointment in the decision, but said the group would push on with its case.
“We disagree with the court’s order, which is only temporary and not the final word. We look forward to having a chance to brief the issue on the merits,” Borden said in a statement.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:55 am……
JVW @ 32 – Great Post.
“Elect whom we want and nobody gets hurt”
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If the Far Left was honest (lol, I know) they would adopt this as their slogan. This is a variation on the “invite who we approve of or we’re gonna go berserk” practice for over a decade now on college campuses where the ‘offended’ used it to shut down any speaker who might actually make students think outside the oxygen-free bubble.
Well now it’s not just campuses but entire cities. Food for thought regarding Dem Party governance of the Executive Branch.
harkin (90be6e) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:56 am_
JVW said
Seems like what they’re saying is the acceptable version of that; “Donald Trump is too incompetent to fix this. Elect Joe Biden because he will do a better job.”
Functionally they’re very similar, but one is extortion, the other isn’t.
Biden has found a similar way to avoid a ‘very fine people on both sides ‘ problem by focusing not on identity groups, but on actions. Violence is unacceptable. Peaceful protest is a legitimate exercise of rights.
What he loses in this formulation is signalling that he’s one of the team with the extreme parts of his base. Saying; “I’m sickened at what I saw and think we need to make systemic reforms.” is milquetoast. It infuriates the bernie bros. They want is validation. They want him to excuse and minimize the violence and extremist position by focusing on outrages of the ‘other side’ and talking about the legitimacy of their grievances.
I think Trump’s lack of credibility hurts him badly here. Trump has such a record for lying that the it may not take too many examples of Biden condemning violence for people to conclude this is just another Trump lie.
Time123 (ae9d89) — 8/31/2020 @ 11:56 amThere’s a lot we still don’t know about the incident. But
Should have stopped before that last word. If there is “a lot” that is unknown, then the notion that one can condemn or defend the person is specious.
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 8/31/2020 @ 12:00 pmso it’s a short trip from speaking about ‘dead traitors’ to mortaring a courthouse or burning a church, but reacting against any and all of that, is the problem, a correction, they will rally behind the post office, but only because it is a vehicle for what they see as ‘fundamentally transforming’ the country,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 12:08 pmBreaking news. D.C. Circuit in Flynn cases issues en banc opinion, reversing prior panel. Writ of mandamus denied, petition to reassign case to a new district judge, denied. Mostly based on the very stringent law of writs of mandamus, not the merits of Flynn’s arguments.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/777940F1C81FD47E852585D5005DADCB/$file/20-5143.pdf
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 8/31/2020 @ 12:19 pmyes I already explained how that decision falls into ‘the bearded spock universe’ even when the underlying charge was fraudulent, just like mr reinhold (sic) was able to get away scot free last december, just like peter dobbins, was able to be active in the intelligence community, in the same circles that looked askance at general flynn, even though the former was a real russian spy, same for yuk chang for similar reasons,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 12:24 pmbut go ahead and give her more power over every part of our lives,
Those donating to @KamalaHarris’s appeal helped bail out peaceful protestor Lionel Timms, who was re-arrested last week, this time for an alleged assault that left the victim with a fractured skull and traumatic brain injury.
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 12:30 pmsomehow kyle rittenhouse wasn’t taught to hate this country, not that they don’t try with the schools, with the garbage media, with corporate america doing nc 17 things to this mob outfit,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 12:36 pmwas that wrong, (in my best george constanza impression)
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/08/chicago-teachers-union-berated-for-supporting-guillotine-in-front-of-bezoss-house/
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 12:39 pmsurprising
https://thepostmillennial.com/kenosha-police-arrests-show-that-102-of-175
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:03 pmGovernor Kate Brown Announces Unified Law Enforcement Plan to Protect Free Speech, Bring Violence to an End in Portland
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:09 pmWhat he loses in this formulation is signalling that he’s one of the team with the extreme parts of his base. Saying; “I’m sickened at what I saw and think we need to make systemic reforms.” is milquetoast. It infuriates the bernie bros. They want is validation. They want him to excuse and minimize the violence and extremist position by focusing on outrages of the ‘other side’ and talking about the legitimacy of their grievances.
But Biden is also guilty of prejudging the events. Saying “I’m sickened by what I saw” leads to the natural conclusion that he agrees the police were 100% in the wrong. We know now that Jacob Blake is a gentleman of rather questionable character who was on a Sunday Funday crime spree when he encountered the Kenosha Police. Biden could have shown nuance by saying something along the lines of “We need to wait until all facts are in, but I certainly have questions when I see an officer shoot a guy in the back seven times from close range.” But in the attempts to pander to the radical community and the BLM folks, and to avoid coming off as wishy-washy, Biden joined them in pretty much determining that the police were completely at fault. If the whole argument for Biden’s candidacy is supposed to be that he’s a middle-of-the-road moderate, let’s-bring-all-sides-together sort of candidate, how do we square that with his ugly pander in the immediate aftermath of the shooting, well before he possibly could have had all of the facts in front of him?
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:23 pmGovernor Kate Brown Announces Unified Law Enforcement Plan to Protect Free Speech, Bring Violence to an End in Portland
Gosh, it only took 97 days. And that of course assumes her plan will work, and that the anarchists will happily surrender the streets of downtown back to law and order.
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:24 pmDana, how many more posts do you have to write or how many more years here before you’re no longer a “guest”?
Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:34 pmI just read Kate Brown’s announcement. It’s garbage. Apparently the only thing wrong with Portland is that every so often some right-wing Patriot’s Prayer folks would come through town and stir stuff up. Never mind the left-wing attacks on the ICE facilities, the Federal Courthouse, drivers, elderly women, and on and on.
I wrote it yesterday, and I’ll reiterate it now: there should be zero federal help in rebuilding Portland since they have chosen to enable all of this carnage and mayhem for the entirety of the summer. Let Governor Brown convince the good people of Keizer, Coos Bay, Kalamath Falls, La Grande, Medford, and other fine locations in the Beaver State pick up the tab. She’s the one who faces the voters, after all.
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:45 pmDana, how many more posts do you have to write or how many more years here before you’re no longer a “guest”?
Hey man, the blog ain’t titled “Dana’s Declarations” or “JVW’s Junior Varsity Writing.”
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:47 pm“Gosh, it only took 97 days. And that of course assumes her plan will work, and that the anarchists will happily surrender the streets of downtown back to law and order.“
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Better notify the Portland DA who practices ‘catch & release’.
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Saagar Enjeti
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The Portland killer was arrested on July 5th for posessing a loaded gun in a public place “but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records”
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“ On Instagram, Reinoehl posted in June: “Every revolution needs people that are willing and ready to fight. There are many of us protesters that are just protesting without a clue of where that will lead. That’s just the beginning that’s where the fight starts. If that’s as far and you can take it thank you for your participation but please stand aside and support the ones that are willing to fight. I am 100% ANTIFA all the way! I am willing to fight for my brothers and sisters! Even if some of them are too ignorant to realize what antifa truly stands for.”
https://thepostmillennial.com/i-am-100-antifa-alleged-portland-shooter-was-previously-arrested-and-released-for-bringing-illegal-loaded-gun-to-a-riot
harkin (90be6e) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:48 pm_
JVW,
Watching someone get shot in the back multiple times *is* sickening. We may find it out it was necessary, but I don’t think it ever get’s easy to watch.
I think he’s being careful in his statements.
Look at the flow.
1. Empathy with the person who was hurt.
2. Support for improvement.
3. Support for protest.
4. Condemnation of violence. (I’ll give him a tiny attaboy for saying that he spoke to the parents and they also condemned violence. Again, minimum acceptable. )
5. come together peacefully.
He puts the most important (to him) part up front, and closes with his next most important parts. So someone on his staff took a writing class.
If your point is that Biden needs to use his position and statements to build trust in the process of accountability then I agree strongly. If he feels that the current system needs large improvement then he needs to say that, and start talking about what a better system would look like.
I’m not impressed with what he’s said so far. As I’ve said before, his statements are the minimum acceptable. If he comes back later with something along the lines of “I was sickened by what i saw just like everyone else, it’s a tragedy that it happened and the officer was put in that position…now here’s what I want to do about it…” I’ll revise my opinion upwards.
Time123 (ae9d89) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:49 pmor points south,
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/250493.php
we’re in hot shots or naked gun territory, here
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:51 pmI’ll 2nd that.
Time123 (53ef45) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:51 pmI think he’s being careful in his statements.
Look at the flow.
1. Empathy with the person who was hurt.
2. Support for improvement.
3. Support for protest.
4. Condemnation of violence. (I’ll give him a tiny attaboy for saying that he spoke to the parents and they also condemned violence. Again, minimum acceptable. )
5. come together peacefully.
You know what’s missing, right? Acknowledgement of the many dangers that law enforcement officers face and the instant decisions that they are required to make in the heat of the moment.
I saw something very insightful last night or earlier today (can’t recall which) that I wish I had thought of. These athletes in professional sports have their games stopped for minutes at a time so that referees can pore over a video replay frame-by-frame to determine the correct call, yet they protest when they disagree with a police officer’s split-second life-or-death decision. Who is living in the real world?
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:58 pmRe #49 Bezos…there’s a pretty big overlap in that particular Venn diagram, BdG
urbanleftbehind (881b5c) — 8/31/2020 @ 2:00 pmI walked right into that one, JVW.
Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/31/2020 @ 2:10 pmLatest Biden:
https://twitter.com/ThomasCatenacci/status/1300494641180139521?s=20
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harkin (90be6e) — 8/31/2020 @ 2:34 pm@StilbillyMike
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Whenever biden starts a sentence with “Look…” he’s straying from teleprompter, and much like someone saying “hold my beer and watch this,” I pay attention for something wacky or befuddled to happen or be said … he rarely disappoints …
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“ These athletes in professional sports have their games stopped for minutes at a time so that referees can pore over a video replay frame-by-frame to determine the correct call, yet they protest when they disagree with a police officer’s split-second life-or-death decision. Who is living in the real world?”
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Even worse, they are ignoring the wholesale slaughter of men, women and children in their own community being done almost exclusively by young black men while having the nerve to claim ‘Black Lives Matter’.
harkin (90be6e) — 8/31/2020 @ 2:38 pm_
Trump’s response to Biden hammering him this morning from Pittsburgh:
Dana (292df6) — 8/31/2020 @ 2:43 pmPaul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:34 pm
WOW. I wonder what assumptions Paul is making in asking that question. Feel the unrest!
felipe (023cc9) — 8/31/2020 @ 2:52 pmHow sad when a candidate for the American presidency knows that he cannot publicly acknowledge the above because it would mean risking continued support from a swath of voters.
It’s depressing to be so starkly reminded of the crassness of our politics, and how candidates will bend any tragedy in any way that benefits them.
Dana (292df6) — 8/31/2020 @ 2:53 pmDana, how many more posts do you have to write or how many more years here before you’re no longer a “guest”?
Hey man, the blog ain’t titled “Dana’s Declarations” or “JVW’s Junior Varsity Writing.”
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:47 pm
Lol!!
(As long as I continue to have full access to the Patterico company yacht, I’m good.)
Dana (292df6) — 8/31/2020 @ 2:54 pmYep. But maybe to Paul it really says “The Man’s blog.”
felipe (023cc9) — 8/31/2020 @ 2:55 pmI always wondered what JVW stood for. Now I know!
norcal (a5428a) — 8/31/2020 @ 3:03 pmNow I’m wondering DRJ is for. Let’s see…Dirty Rotten Jurist. No, she’s too nice. Divine Rectifier of Justice?
Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/31/2020 @ 3:15 pmI returned yesterday from a road trip to Vancouver, Washington. On the way back, I noticed two or three pickup trucks with American flags and Trump flags in and around Portland. I thought that to be very curious. It was only after I got home that I learned about the Patriot Prayer rally.
Vancouver was very peaceful. My buddy there said that the Portland mob tried to bring their show to a mall in Vancouver, and were thwarted by a rooftop full of police with rubber bullets.
People were very mask-compliant in Vancouver, and also in Eugene, but it was quite different in Klamath Falls. I stopped at a rather busy gas station / convenience store, the kind where one has to line up for the cashier. I was the only customer wearing a mask. The staff had masks on, but they were wearing them around their mouths, chins, or necks, but not their noses. It was a Tale of Two Oregons.
norcal (a5428a) — 8/31/2020 @ 3:15 pmGovernor Kate Brown Announces Unified Law Enforcement Plan to Protect Free Speech, Bring Violence to an End in Portland
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/31/2020 @ 1:09 pm
From the link:
Excuse me, but why wasn’t this the plan from the outset? Idiots.
norcal (a5428a) — 8/31/2020 @ 3:25 pm@72 I like Divine Rectifier of Justice.
norcal (a5428a) — 8/31/2020 @ 3:26 pmYou’re right about that, norcal. South of Eugene and east of the mountains and pockets of the coast are Trump country. The Willamette Valley from Eugene to Portland is pretty solid left.
Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/31/2020 @ 3:29 pmUm, I sure hope not or else I’m in the wrong place!
Dana (292df6) — 8/31/2020 @ 3:39 pmno that’s the other dana, from pennsylvania,
https://democracyinstitute.org/new-democracy-institute-sunday-express-poll-trump-ahead
now if it was a bunch of ranchers, you saw how quickly multnomah reacted some year ago,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 4:02 pmah freedom of speech, such a novelty,
https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/31/miami-herald-defenestrates-cuban-sports-reporter-for-criticizing-white-millionaire-qb/
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 4:05 pm‘hey the incumbent president might not be hopelessly behind!’ is a little different from ‘you’ll get tired of all the winning’
He might win. What’s important is not to get too bent out of shape for or against either of these guys. They want us made at eachother, voting against, not for, so they never have to keep their word, and only have to be better than our fear of the worst version of their opponent.
With those rules, Trump can win.
Dustin (5418f4) — 8/31/2020 @ 4:09 pm*mad
Dustin (5418f4) — 8/31/2020 @ 4:09 pm32/@52. He is a clone of everybody’s grandfather cranking at the TeeVee, shakin’ a fist at those rowdy youngsters ungrateful for what ‘his people’ did for them in Dubya-Dubya-Two— or Korea— and wants ’em all to get a haircut. There’s just no positive energy or messaging– it’s doom and gloom; he appears squinty and beady-eyed on camera and his voice has a raspy twang to it that lacks the soothing warmth and reassurance of a Reagan or even the firm, authorative assertiveness of a Nixon or– yes, a Trump. He does not projct strength and positivity.
He boxed himself in on selecting a running mate; is runnig against a virus– a fool’s errand- it’s like campaigning against thunderstorms or Mother Nature. And anybody who tells the world he essentially needs to ‘form a committee’ to figure out how to leave a basement room is telegraphing befuddled weakness. He’s toast.
Everyone has always underestimated Trump but the thing is, this would and should be an easy win for any competent, articulate and assertive challenger to him. The problem for the Dems is the candidate they’ve chosen. And every day Joe gets older and older and older. Some cheeses age well. Some don’t.
Go back and revisit the Nixon ‘law and order’ campaign commercials from ’68 and even ’72. Biden’s trying to battle Trump– and the band of Wallace types, like Humphrey. Biden’s angry man rage just has no positive spark to his message.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2020 @ 4:34 pmI always wondered what JVW stood for. Now I know!
Cat’s out of the bag.
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/31/2020 @ 4:37 pmIn case some people were still wondering which side has been pushing the violence:
Jason Howerton
@jason_howerton
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This video is one of the most absolutely brutal things I’ve ever watched.
From the party that is constantly lecturing about “rhetoric,” I doubt they will have a word to say about this.
https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1300520249196978176?s=20
harkin (90be6e) — 8/31/2020 @ 4:55 pm_
Left doesn’t care if shooting back at trump supporters hurts biden. Left takes over democrat party from dnc corporate establishment and donor class and nominates AOC in 2024 if biden loses. The left is marginalized with biden victory. Both establishment donor class and left hate each other as much as they hate trump. Biden and dnc keeps appealing to rinos with whom they agree not left who they hate.
asset (eeb703) — 8/31/2020 @ 4:57 pm“ hey the incumbent president might not be hopelessly behind!’“
IMO that’s not really the thought of most Trump supporters.
Much like 2016, they can obviously see that they are being sold a false bill of goods by a political party, media and other elites who hate them with a passion. They see an ideology which has never been about individuals pursuing their own excellence and instead seeks to bring everyone down to its own adherents pathetic level of clueless misery. Four years ago it resulted in a big FU in the election.
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“With those rules, Trump can win.”
Much like the description of OR., if people have to choose between living where masks are mostly deemed non-essential by the public because they think only the extreme aged are at considerable risk or where public authorities and local media condone/encourage riots/assault/destruction/arson, I’m thinking it’s not a difficult choice.
harkin (90be6e) — 8/31/2020 @ 5:17 pm_
Trump’s illuminating defense of Kyle Rittenhouse
At the start of and throughout his news conference Monday evening, President Trump attacked Joe Biden for condemning violence but not specifically left-wing perpetrators of it.
By the end of the news conference, Trump not only pointedly declined to condemn right-wing violence at the same demonstrations, he voluntarily defended it.
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“Well, I understand that had large numbers of people that were supporters, but that was a peaceful protest,” he said. “And paint is not — and paint as a defensive mechanism, paint is not bullets. … These people, they protested peacefully. They went in very peacefully.”
Trump then pointed to a man who identifies as an anti-fascist and who is under investigation in the killing of a right-wing demonstrator after a Trump rally in Portland.
Trump said the man “shot a young gentleman and killed him — not with paint, but with a bullet. And I think it’s disgraceful.”
The president offered no such condemnation, though, when it was noted that one of his supporters, Rittenhouse, has been charged with killing with actual bullets in Kenosha. Trump indicated he thought Rittenhouse’s actions might have been warranted.
“That was an interesting situation,” he said. “You saw the same tape as I saw. And he was trying to get away from them. I guess it looks like he fell and then they very violently attacked him. And it was something that we’re looking at right now, and it’s under investigation. But I guess he was in very big trouble. He would have been — probably would have been killed, but it’s under investigation.”
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/31/2020 @ 5:36 pm……
It’s evident to whom Trump gives the benefit of the doubt, from Charlottesville through today. And in the course of a couple of minutes Monday night, that benefit of the doubt applied to a supporter who has been charged with a crime — in a way it very much didn’t apply to another person who hasn’t. Trump’s comments about supporters who fire paintballs and pepper spray are also notably different from how he has talked about those who have used other nonlethal blunt instruments. Just because it’s not deadly doesn’t mean it’s not violent.
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A real humanitarian
https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300341533229473794
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 5:43 pmI hate it when I agree with Trump, but in this instance Trump agrees with me. I said it a week ago. Kyle Rittenhouse has a solid case of self-defense. All he needs is a good lawyer and a fair trial with a fair judge and jury.
nk (1d9030) — 8/31/2020 @ 5:49 pmIt seems like a week, anyway.
nk (1d9030) — 8/31/2020 @ 6:02 pmFrom charlottesville to robert gould shaw and st. Johns church, whats next the tomb of the unknown soldier?
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 6:04 pmMr. Jeff Bezos’s hobby seems to have a thing for smearing teenage boys, trying them on its pages, and finding them guilty, doesn’t it? And this one was not even wearing a MAGA hat. What do you think? Some editor who was never asked to a school dance?
nk (1d9030) — 8/31/2020 @ 6:31 pm92, like I said in more proximate response to Bolivar, Bezos draws ire from people on very different teams.
urbanleftbehind (881b5c) — 8/31/2020 @ 6:37 pm“A real humanitarian”
The victim was also arrested at a previous protest with a gun.
Davethulhu (3988bc) — 8/31/2020 @ 6:37 pmYes i dont think those were nick sandmann or zimmerman fan do you, private maytag
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 6:40 pmAhh, the good old days of the Cultural Revolution. Trump’s always a fan of dumbest possible thing, because he’s a moron, his smartest idea is the equivalent of a 9 year old.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 8/31/2020 @ 6:46 pmYes because what theyve been teaching out of the book of zinn has worked out.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 6:50 pmThe cultural revolution is what has been happening for 50 years, dumkopf its not a problem merely on this side of the atlantic.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 6:59 pmThe victim was also arrested at a previous protest with a gun.
The gun possession charge was dropped, Davethulhu. That was the point you missed. Democrat law and order in action.
Still clinging to that “the victim shot first” theory?
beer ‘n pretzels (b1a479) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:02 pm“The gun possession charge was dropped, Davethulhu. That was the point you missed. Democrat law and order in action.”
The protest the victim was at was in support of Jeremy Joseph Christian
Davethulhu (3988bc) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:10 pmSorry about that:
https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300597862380707845
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:10 pmNo squidboy wrong target.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:11 pmIt is what it is, General Flynn.
nk (1d9030) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:12 pmOnly the best people.
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-of-right-wing-demonstrator-in-portland-was-outside-mayors-condo-night-before-with-daughter.html
Michael Forest Reinoehl, the 48-year-old man under investigation in the fatal shooting Saturday night of a right-wing demonstrator in downtown Portland, attended a Black Lives Matter protest the night before outside the mayor’s home.
Reinoehl brought his daughter, who was carrying a baseball bat, according to photos by an Oregonian/OregonLive photographer and others present Friday night at Mayor Ted Wheeler’s condominium building.
He’s posted videos and photos of demonstrations that he’s attended in Portland since late June, accompanied by the hashtags #blacklivesmatter, #anewnation and #breonnataylor.
He’s wanted on a failure to appear warrant stemming from a June 8 Baker County arrest in a speed racing case that involved his 17-year-old son in eastern Oregon. Reinoehl faces allegations including driving under the influence of a controlled substance, recklessly endangering another, unlawful possession of a gun and driving while suspended and uninsured. His daughter, then 11, was with him in his speeding Cadillac at the time, state police reported.
beer ‘n pretzels (b1a479) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:12 pm“No squidboy wrong target.”
https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2017/10/08/19375638/a-man-had-a-gun-stowed-in-his-scooter-at-todays-patriot-prayer-rally-he-was-arrested
Trump tweeted in support for this “fine” person.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1300193398477946883
Davethulhu (3988bc) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:18 pmThe protest the victim was at was in support of Jeremy Joseph Christian
I defend the right of anyone to support dumb causes without getting fatally shot in cold blood. That includes you Davethulhu.
beer ‘n pretzels (91a694) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:19 pm“I defend the right of anyone to support dumb causes without getting fatally shot in cold blood. That includes you Davethulhu.”
He was no angel.
Davethulhu (3988bc) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:22 pmDavethulhu, any answer to my question @99??
beer ‘n pretzels (91a694) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:23 pmSo, bottom line, Messrs. Bishop and Reinoehl are not very fine people.
Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:25 pmWhite trash in the full sense of the term with all it implies, probably more than a little mentally ill, traveled to gangfight, pushed people around and maced them according to witnesses, and got shot. How did the Lakers do against the Trail Blazers last night?
nk (1d9030) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:31 pmSo, bottom line, Messrs. Bishop and Reinoehl are not very fine people.
They certainly don’t merit sainted hagiography like George Floyd and Jacob Blake.
beer ‘n pretzels (91a694) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:31 pm“So, bottom line, Messrs. Bishop and Reinoehl are not very fine people.”
Well, one of them seems to be, at least to Trump.
“Davethulhu, any answer to my question @99??”
Do you have any new updates or are we still looking at that same video?
Davethulhu (3988bc) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:31 pmSure, let’s condemn Antifa for their violence since 2016, and let’s put the murder of Mr. Bishop on Antifa as well, because it was going to happen eventually. However, from what I can tell, what happened in Portland was the first murder by an Antifa member (not counting the crazy-bus shooter in Dayton). Using the same timeline, the number of people murdered in the US by white nationalists is forty, not counting anyone murdered since August 2019.
Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:36 pmEveryone involved in the shootings, both in portland and kenosha, were out looking for trouble, and they all managed to find it.
Davethulhu (3988bc) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:43 pmProles, proles, proles, proles,
I’m begging of you please don’t kick that can
Proles, proles, proles, proles,
Please don’t do it, you only think you can
Their power is beyond compare
nk (1d9030) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:55 pmWith tanks and planes and guns that flare
With cops and judges and prison cells
With bosses from the ranks of swells
If you annoy them they’ll fall on you like rain
And you cannot compete with them
Proles
Profuse apologies to Jay Livingston and Ray Evans.
felipe (023cc9) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:59 pmJust an average kid that loves his country, that respects the police, now this pot smoking weirdo who may have had too many wipeouts with the board, thats who we are supposed to respect. When did we slip into the multiverse.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 8:00 pmnk (1d9030) — 8/31/2020 @ 7:55 pm
Ha!
felipe (023cc9) — 8/31/2020 @ 8:02 pm“Just an average kid that loves his country, that respects the police,”
He also likes hitting girls, probably why Trump is such a fan: https://journaltimes.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/watch-now-videos-reportedly-show-kyle-rittenhouse-involved-in-fight-punching-female-last-month-in/article_983dab1f-c1de-5ac2-b125-fe732befc1ff.html
Davethulhu (3988bc) — 8/31/2020 @ 8:06 pmThere’s got to be more parodies of “Jolene” than any other song.
nk (1d9030) — 8/31/2020 @ 8:08 pmWhip up that mob, Davethulhu, that’s the way!
nk (1d9030) — 8/31/2020 @ 8:09 pm“Whip up that mob, Davethulhu, that’s the way!”
Some jerk driving the wrong way hit my car today, and I’m a little salty.
Davethulhu (3988bc) — 8/31/2020 @ 8:10 pmSalty is my natural condition, lately, so I sympathize.
nk (1d9030) — 8/31/2020 @ 8:13 pmThat sucks, Davethulu. I’ve noticed people are driving worse than ever lately.
Let’s hope Kyle gets a decent jury and let the chips fall where they may. I think openly carried rifles at protests should be construed as brandishing and prosecuted. And the minimum voting age should be 35 unless you have an honorable discharge or a bachelor’s degree.
Dustin (5418f4) — 8/31/2020 @ 8:17 pmJust like the world where the welfare syate is dissapearing, that isnt happening, the voting age is getting younger with people less informed by social media of the traditions of this country
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 8:31 pmYeah I enjoy being unrealistic with my political views. It’s a lot more fun.
Dustin (5418f4) — 8/31/2020 @ 8:42 pmYou know i dont accept that kenosha becomes a battlefield because thats what the thousand currents decides, whats next dubuque iowa (wasnt that where they paperes over the murder by an illegal) olympia washington, its a faulty premise.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/31/2020 @ 8:42 pmIt has been said, by DRJ here actually, that a lot of babies will be born nine months after the Covid lockdown. But how many divorces will there be as well? Jolene, Please Come Take My Man, one woman’s perspective.
nk (1d9030) — 8/31/2020 @ 8:46 pmAnd the minimum voting age should be 35 unless you have an honorable discharge or a bachelor’s degree.
Nah, the hell with prioritizing a bachelor’s degree. I would be far more interested in the opinions of someone with an associates degree in food services or an electricians license than I would of someone with a bachelor’s degree in Peace Studies or Critical Race Theory, among other pseudo-disciplines.
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/31/2020 @ 9:36 pmThis is for all you salty dogs out there!
This one is more recent, unfortunately the sound-man is asleep at the wheel.
felipe (023cc9) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:11 pmYeah I stand corrected on that, JVW. Someone plumbing for a living makes better choices than someone with many of the lame degrees you can get.
Dustin (5418f4) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:22 pmFrom what I’ve seen of Biden’s response he has mostly focused on actions.
-Hurting a person is sickening.
-Reform is good.
-Protests are a right.
-Violence, looting, rioting are bad.
Trump seems to be focused more on people and the groups they associate with. Once he’s clear on that he can decide if the action is good or not.
-His supporters shooting people with paintballs is OK.
-People who don’t like him protesting is bad.
Obviously these are broad generalizations, but they’re based on the bulk of what they’re saying.
Time123 (89dfb2) — 9/1/2020 @ 5:25 amAnd as I catch up on news I see that Trump gave an interview and is apparently pushing new and weird conspiracy theories about shadowy cabals and ‘planes almost completely loaded with thugs…in black uniforms…armed with gear.’
So I have 1 candidate who gave a minimally acceptable statement and another that’s just making up batcrap crazy conspiracy theories.
Time123 (306531) — 9/1/2020 @ 5:49 amWhoops:
BuDuh (ef90b5) — 9/1/2020 @ 6:10 amBiden says does he look like someone who is soft on looters. Forst of all, you can’t tell by looking at someone, but more important, he is soft on apologists for looters. And he doesn’t want even Trump to reprimand them or reprimand local officeholders. Now Trump may not do it in a good way.
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/1/2020 @ 6:15 amThe mob chased him, at least when we have the video, because he’d just killed someone. Is someone is such circumstances entitled to self defense? He was assaulted by an unarmed man, quite possibly because he and others feared he might be a mass shooter.
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/1/2020 @ 6:18 am@138, under that theory of events the people that pursued him were hero’s trying to stop a mass shooter who was better armed. Not sure that’s true.
Time123 (89dfb2) — 9/1/2020 @ 6:23 amThe shooter, if you watch the video, was running towards the wall of cops. The “heroes” did not need to intervene other than to be prepared to identify the shooter to the wall of cops. Instead they decided to beat the tar out of the shooter before he could make it to the cops.
BuDuh (ef90b5) — 9/1/2020 @ 6:33 amThis seems to be the back story behind the killings in Kenosha, Wisconsin last Tuesday (August 25)
Somebody was organizing or gathering people (via social media or subscribers to something) for people with guns to go to Kenosha with the stated goal of protecting stores from being looted. Kyle Rittenshouse, aged 17, was one of those recruited maybe just by responding to the call.
There were two legal problems with Rittenhouse joining in: First, he was only 17 years old, and it wasnt legal for him to open carry in Wisconsin and second, a person is only entitled to use deadly force to protect his own property, or maybe if he was hired by the owner, but this was not the case.
But they were not protecting any property anyway. Once there in Kenosha, they were not protecting any stores, because the stores had already been looted and the mob was not going, or being led, to another territory. The “defenders” went where the mob was.
They were a very mixed bag of people with all different kinds of weapons, and they seemed, to a reporter from Chicago, to have some people who knew what they were doing with the guns and some who didn’t. Maybe more who didn’t know what they were doing.
At least one or two policemen greeted one or more of the vigilantes at some point, and indicated they appreciated their help.and indicated they appreciated their help.
Now the mob, at that time, was busying itself harassing the police. They would throw bottles at them, but were always careful to to endanger the police. It was a cat and mouse game. The police were well disciplined; they knew it was reasonably safe. The police mostly were laying low.
When the crowd saw the civilians with guns, they began harassing them too, treating them just like the police. Joseph Rosenbaum joined in, at one point daring some men in tactical gear to shoot him (and using the N word too at them!)
Soon after that he decided to throw a paper bag at Rittenhouse.
Rottenhouse got nervous and fired off his rifle, killing Rosenbaum.
Then the crowd started chasing him, evidently with the goal of tackling him. He then fired his rifle again, killing Anthony Huber, and also wounding Gaige Grosskreutz, in a way which caused him to lose his arm. I don’t know which arm)
Rittenhouse saw some police, and put his hands up, while people in the crowd were saying he had shot someone or killed someone. But the police just let him go.
At some point Kyle Ritttenhouse left a message to someone saying he had killed someone.
They arrested him the next day in Illinois.
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:01 amYou might want to dig up the video and rework your play-by-play.
BuDuh (ef90b5) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:10 amsquidboy going to apologize, do you care,
https://www.dailywire.com/news/sneak-attack-on-man-with-bricks-taped-posted-to-instagram-with-white-lives-do-not-matter-caption
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:13 am@142 Also, right before shooting Rosenbaum, someone shot a gun (in the air?) that Rittenhouse then faced Rosenbaum after being cornered.
whembly (c30c83) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:17 amSammy, this is a pretty good compilation of the sequence of events:
BuDuh (ef90b5) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:20 amTrump said yesterday at a press conference that he didn’t talk to the family of Jacob Blake because they wouldn’t agree to do that without a lawyer being on the line (or their lawyer wouldn’t let them maybe because of fears they’d damage the case or the PR) but he did talk to a pastor.
I think the family probably does not include the girlfriend (she still described him as her boyfriend) the mother of three of his six children, aged 8 (Blake was shot on the boy’s 8th birthday) a 5-year old and a 2 or 3 year old. She (or her parents) called the police. When he went into the house. He was not supposed to go inside the house.
Previously, he had barged in one time, or maybe it was an agreed to meeting, and raped her as well as stealing her car, and he took her car keys away again this time.
Blake maybe tussled with the police.
He is reported to have waved a knife around. Just before he was hit (?) he was told to drop the knife. He may or may not have. The knife was later found on the floorboard of the car. There was no gun found inside the car, but, in anoter incident around five years ago, he had a gun in a car.
His three children with that woman were seated in the car he was attempting to get into.
My best guess is that he was trying to drive off with them.
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:21 amJacob Blake’s mother (named Julia Jackson) has been a little bit not with the narrative. She said that when she saw her son he said “I’m sorry.” “What have you got to sorry for, you got shot,” she said. The news story I read did not further elaborate.
Jacob Blake also reportedly said to his mother that he didn’t want to be a burden on anyone. He’s now paralyzed below the waist, lost his colon and much of his small intestines and control of his excretions.
She also said that people should not rush to judgement or words to that effect. People should get the facts first.
In some network interview, she said she did wish Trump had called her because if she would have spoken to him, maybe he wouldn’t have said something he said.
That’s all, I guess, before the lawyers took control.
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:29 amConsidering some of the things Antifa/BLM has been known to throw — rocks, bricks, bottles full of bodily waste (seriously), molotovs… I think you could make the case that any thrown object, regardless of what it was, could be interpreted as an attack.
Same principle as the idiot who tries to hold up a store with a toy or pellet gun and gets his ticket punched by someone with a REAL firearm.
Capsaicin Addict (041266) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:32 am145. This is a help. I expect corrections and modifications.
First correction: They were guarding a vehicle dealership, or so they said. There was maybe something left there to protect.
Second correction: It was the group Rittenhouse was with that was specifically thanked:
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:36 am“This story originally misidentified the victim in Saturday’s shooting as Jay Bishop, a man also affiliated with right-wing protests.
The victim is now correctly identified as Aaron Danielson, who went by the nickname “Jay.””
That’s really strange, because Trump’s Rest in Peace Jay! tweet is in response to another tweet naming him as Jay Bishop and saying “Rest in Peace my friend”.
Davethulhu (3988bc) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:42 amDigital editor in Kenosha Wisconsin newspaper quits because newspaper made a rally in support of Jacob Blake look bad because they called attention to one speaker who threatened violence.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/31/business/media/kenosha-newspaper-editor-quits.html
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:44 amThe mob chased him, at least when we have the video, because he’d just killed someone. Is someone is such circumstances entitled to self defense? He was assaulted by an unarmed man, quite possibly because he and others feared he might be a mass shooter.
Even under that set of facts, Sammy, no law requires you to surrender peacefully to a rioting mob. To the police yes, to a mob no. When he ran away, he lawfully withdrew from the fight, and the mob which chased him were now the aggressors against whom he had a right of self-defense.
nj (1d9030) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:50 amAnd that’s “nk”, not “nj”, sorry.
nk (1d9030) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:51 amIf you’re standing there and someone throws and hits you with a paper bag filled will with unknown contents, or if someone in a pickup truck fires and hits you with a paintball, it’s all assault and illegal. It should be noted that not only did Trump not condemn the shooting of paintballs, he tacitly endorsed it.
Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:52 am” It should be noted that not only did Trump not condemn the shooting of paintballs, he tacitly endorsed it.”
Don’t miss and get paint on a statue though. That’s 10 years in jail.
Davethulhu (3988bc) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:55 amIf benefit of the doubt is still allowed Davethulhu, it would seem the person who tweeted the name did not source it through A white nationalist registry. If you scroll down her twitter re retweeted a story that explains that Portland sources botched the name and everyone ran with it.
She does happen to retweet someone who retweeted her post, with the incorrect name, after she acknowledged that the name is incorrect. Again, assuming she isn’t some clever nazi propagandist, it probably has to do with Twitter and the decision to delete her original post and have it screw up all the retweets.
BuDuh (a19053) — 9/1/2020 @ 7:56 amI don’t know which is worse, that Trump is so stubbornly ignorant and self-aggrandizing that he has no idea he’s crapping on everything his supporters purport to stand for, or that they know exactly what he’s doing and don’t care.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:00 am“If benefit of the doubt is still allowed Davethulhu, it would seem the person who tweeted the name did not source it through A white nationalist registry. If you scroll down her twitter re retweeted a story that explains that Portland sources botched the name and everyone ran with it.”
I guess. Kinda strange to say “we will never forget you” and “my friend” about someone you don’t even know.
Davethulhu (3988bc) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:04 amSigh. I just remembered when paintball guns came into being. They were used by forestry workers to mark trees meant to be cleared or trimmed of deadwood so they wouldn’t need to get off their horses and/or get messy with paint sprays and brushes. Then somebody had the bright idea of “tagging” people with them and you know the rest. I feel old.
nk (1d9030) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:07 amProbably happened a time or two at several of John Lewis’ funerals.
BuDuh (a19053) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:08 amDavethulhu (3988bc) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:04 am
Probably not so unusual for someone used to memorializing a lot of people. He said “we will never forget you” ad called him “my friend” on general principles.
This is maybe not so much a case of lying, as of being unsure of his facts but pretending to know them.
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:24 am141.*
It sounds like whoever told them to do this was looking to create more victims of police brutality.
Alternatively, the police would be, and feel, humiliated.
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:30 amThis is maybe not so much a case of lying, as of being unsure of his facts but pretending to know them.
Trump is always doing that. He has always been doing it. About everything and anything, large or small. From Tom Wolfe’s book to oleander extract for the treatment of Covid-19. It is lying, a variant of.
nk (1d9030) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:31 amBrian Stelter
@brianstelter
Everyone in Portland, Oregon knows that the president is lying when he says “the entire city is ablaze all the time.” So does Laura Ingraham – but she doesn’t call him out. On @TheLastWord I talked about the reasons why.
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Naida Paris
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Portland has not been burning for decades. There has been Peaceful protests and some illegal activity which are two different things. The trouble makers are not just the people on the ground. The Fox media needs to quit stirring the pot.
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Swytypye
@XxSweetiepieXx
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Good grief! What the Hell are you all on? I live here! RIOTS nightly! Last night they went to the mayors condo and started a fire in the street using equipment from a dentist office near by, after breaking in!
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amber B
@blackamberm
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Wait I thought the new narrative is that the riots were happening but trump is ignoring them. Crap I guess I have to go back to it’s not happening and trump is making up stories! Let me know if it changes again!
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Atomicsquid807
@atomicsquid807
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Wheeler kind of screwed that narrative when he wrote that letter telling Trump they didn’t need his help.
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Joe
@FormerModerate
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FFS. How do Democrats logically follow these narratives?
3 months of “there are no riots, only mostly peaceful protest”. Followed up by 3 days of ” there are riots but it’s all Trump’s fault”. And now we’re at “There are no riots. Trump’s lying.”
harkin (90be6e) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:32 am_
Mexico will pay for the wall.
nk (1d9030) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:34 amThe Babylon Bee
@TheBabylonBee
Large Turnout For Memorial For Hans Gruber Who Was Thrown From A Building By A Police Officer
https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1300493573708812289?s=20
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lol
harkin (90be6e) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:35 am_
Trump has replaced Obamacare with something better.
nk (1d9030) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:35 amMy favorite: North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat.
nk (1d9030) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:35 amWhat Trump says is always a pile of manure which may or may not contain a kernel of truth, and his overblown bluster about Portland is no exception.
nk (1d9030) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:38 amso the governors release all the criminals, the slattern harris and the solon’s staff bailout out the rioters, the idiot mayor didn’t even call up the right number of national guardsmen,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:40 amand Trump is doing a photo-op in Kenosha.
Complete your sentences, narciso.
nk (1d9030) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:42 amOop, I need to follow my own advice: … like he did in front of St. John’s Church.
nk (1d9030) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:44 amto illustrate what these wharfrats are doing is a photoop,
https://www.redstate.com/mike_miller/2020/09/01/this-is-really-bad-%e2%80%94-social-media-weighs-in-after-bidens-very-bad-day-in-pittsburgh/
this ridiculous pirandello piece is a photo op,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:46 amSpeaking of being unsure of the facts, Sammy, Dave quoted the text of the comment that Trump retweeted. He didn’t say those words; she did. All Trump added was “Rest in piece, Jay.” You might want to click on his link.
BuDuh (a19053) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:47 amnot that they care,
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/09/minneapolis-a-damage-assessment-2.php
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:49 amto illustrate what these wharfrats are doing is a photoop,
Yeah, I guess nobody would ever even know about it if Trump doesn’t go there, and that’s not entirely sarcasm, that’s saying something about his base: “It’s not important unless Savior Trump thinks it’s important”.
nk (1d9030) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:53 am“I shall return.” – Douglas MacArthur
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/1/2020 @ 9:07 am“I will go to Korea.” – Dwight Eisenhower
“I will go to Kenosha.” – Donald Trump
“We left my basement and went to Pittsburgh.” -Plagiarist JoeyBee
of course they would,
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/09/california-politicos-move-forward-on-plans-giving-reparations-to-african-americans/
that’s what you want for this country, right,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/1/2020 @ 9:09 amHow does an old party die, lose voters/supporters and become extinct, while a new party rises, gains voters/supporters and comes to thrive? It’s an interesting question, one to which I really don’t have an answer. But I did find this article from Reason informative and somewhat enlightening.
https://reason.com/video/can-the-republican-party-survive-trump/
I have some disagreements with it, for historical reasons, but I cannot argue with its thesis–that the nomination and election of Zachary Taylor led directly to the demise of the Whig party and the rise of the Republican party under Lincoln. And I find the parallels between the election of Taylor and the election of Trump intriguing.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 9/1/2020 @ 9:16 amharkin (90be6e) — 9/1/2020 @ 8:32 am
logic is white privilege. embracing it is anti-ethical to everything the d’s are turning into.
the mistake in this post is the idea that it started with one statement, changed to other, and then changed back. both of these narratives have run at the same time and have been joined by ‘looting and rioting is good’ and ‘all of the violence and looting is caused by right-wing infiltrators’, etc.
frosty (f27e97) — 9/1/2020 @ 9:24 am@181: Simply start nominating better candidates during the primaries. Our political engagement during the primaries is putrid, and if that doesn’t change, the same crap will continue to occur.
whembly (c30c83) — 9/1/2020 @ 9:26 amSome of those shadowy figures
https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/31/foundation-with-biden-campaign-ties-funding-leftist-agitators-on-u-s-streets/
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/1/2020 @ 9:26 amhttps://twitter.com/DaveT0076/status/1299902848982020101
<.<
When Rand Paul is demanding action like this… you dun f'ed up.
whembly (c30c83) — 9/1/2020 @ 9:34 amThe flight distance between Wilmington, Delaware and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania is approximately 240 miles each way — and the flight time is 29 minutes. Each way.
Golly, Joe– jet lag is really rough to recover from, ain’t it… accordingly:
Plagiarist JoeyBee has no live events scheduled for today.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/1/2020 @ 10:47 amwhembly (c30c83) — 9/1/2020 @ 9:26 am
You can;t do that. The system is ow set up so that candidates can’t be drafted and can’t enter late. It;s only elimination.
The only people who can jump in later are billionaires. But not enough do.
Undo post-1968 campaign finance reform and we might get better candidates.
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/1/2020 @ 10:55 amas with the british labour party around 1983, when it adopted the most maximalist view, renationalization of industry, total nuclear disarmament, there isn’t a way back to sanity among the democrats, they have no interest in white working class, who are still the majority in this country, and they have a niche interests in what concerns blacks and latinos,
after foot, who we know now was kgb asset, they tried with kinnock, who was a cipher, that’s why biden copied him, they still lost to major, even after the latter had thrown thatcher under the bus, they found an agreeable chap in tony blair, who appeared like hugh gaitskell, but not really,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/1/2020 @ 11:02 amGawain’s Ghost (b25cd1) — 9/1/2020 @ 9:16 am
Not the election of Zachary Taylor – who was a bit of Trojan horse – a somewhat anti-slavery slave owner – but his death, from cholera in 1850. I think the idea that he was poisoned has a lot going for it – but it wasn’t arsenic – how could anybody be so foolish as to buy into that red herring? It was germs. Southerners were more in touch with England and maybe up to date on the cause of cholera.
(By the way James K. Polk also died of cholera, in 1849, half a year after finishing his presidetial term. 1849 was a cholera year)
The death of Zachary Taylor may have been what caused the demise of the Whig Party. Millard fillmore signed the blls constituting the “Compromise of 1850” which Zachary Taykor would have not. One of these bills was the Fugitive Slave Act. The whig Party still exxted in 1852.
Next came the Kansas Nebraska Act of 1854. That destroyed the Whig Party.
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/1/2020 @ 11:04 amKhamenei.ir
@khamenei_ir
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The nation of Palestine is under various, severe pressures. Then, the UAE acts in agreement with the Israelis & filthy Zionist agents of the U.S. —such as the Jewish member of Trump’s family— with utmost cruelty against the interests of the World of Islam.
#UAEStabsMuslims
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Bari Weiss
@bariweiss
Does this vile Jew hate by a world leader violate @Twitter’s terms of service? Or is this just filed under more “criticism of Israel”?
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Giffs
@rebgiffs
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It’s critical of Trump so they have to leave it up- that’s the algorithm
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planetmoron
harkin (90be6e) — 9/1/2020 @ 11:07 am@planetmoron
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In fairness, he said nothing about the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine.
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it’ll be fine,
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/08/30/players-may-display-names-of-victims-of-systemic-racism-on-their-helmet-padding/
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 9/1/2020 @ 11:27 amIt’s just the left practicing Orwell’s prophecy about “War is Peace” and “Freedom is Slavery.”
They hold contradictory thoughts without actually thinking about them.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/1/2020 @ 11:30 amHey, Trump has proclaimed today that all the fuss about him having “mini strokes” is in error. The first person to claim that Trump might have had mini strokes is Trump, from today.
Just to confirm, he didn’t have a stroke, he’s just an idiot. Carry on.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 9/1/2020 @ 11:35 amAugust 2nd:
BuDuh (fbb658) — 9/1/2020 @ 11:43 amA lot of people have been saying that for quite a while. He is certainly a candidate for them. Mini strokes.
nk (1d9030) — 9/1/2020 @ 12:03 pmSo when does Dallas get pre-empted for post-WW II shorts of The Three Stooges?
urbanleftbehind (d7454c) — 9/1/2020 @ 12:05 pm