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8/28/2020

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:46 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Here are a few news items to chew over. Feel free to share any stories that you think will interest readers. Make sure to include links.

First news item

Exactly how is this helpful during a pandemic??

The University of Alabama made headlines this week with the shocking announcement that more than 500 students, faculty, and staff had tested positive for the coronavirus in the first five days of classes. But professors at the university say they were just as disturbed by emails from the administration telling them not to speak up about outbreaks.

In an email to the politics department, professors were explicitly instructed not to tell their students if someone in a class tests positive.

“Do not tell the rest of the class,” the email reads, with the word “not” underlined. It goes on to say that students who test positive are not considered an exposure risk if masks were worn and social distancing was practiced—meaning the students and professor may never be informed if someone in their class tests positive.

Multiple other emails from other departments reviewed by The Daily Beast warn teachers against telling students about a positive classmate or posting about it on social media, even in the most general terms, claiming it could constitute a HIPAA violation.

(H/T Simon Jester)

Second news item

More angry youth using unorthodox tactics to campaign for Trump:

Third news item

Asking the obvious:

Eh, the pizza guy should read In Defense of Looting, and see if the author can persuade him that…

…looting is a powerful tool to bring about real, lasting change in society. The rioters who smash windows and take items from stores, she says, are engaging in a powerful tactic that questions the justice of “law and order,” and the distribution of property and wealth in an unequal society.

Fourth news item

This, all day long:
(Do not skip, watch in its entirety.)

Fifth news item

Promises, promises:

President Trump on Thursday pledged a Covid-19 vaccine would be available by the end of 2020, the most concrete claim he has made yet about the timetable for coronavirus vaccine development.

“We are delivering life-saving therapies, and will produce a vaccine before the end of the year, or maybe even sooner,” he said.

While Trump has repeatedly hinted at a possible vaccine approval before the end of 2020, his pledge Thursday marks his most definitive stance yet on a vaccine timetable. While it is possible that the Food and Drug Administration could issue emergency authorization for a vaccine by the end of the year, it is far from a sure bet — no drug company has completed clinical trials for a Covid-19 vaccine.

Sixth news item

Oh, no:

Finally today, Nevada researchers have confirmed the first US case of COVID-19 reinfection, involving a 25-year-old Nevada patient. The patient was first infected in April, then 48 days later tested positive after two negative tests following the first infection.

The viral genomes of the first and second isolates show differences that indicate the two infections were independent of each other.

Seventh news item

Another doctor diminishes profession’s credibility with attempt to justify a familar double-standard:

Reports estimate that 50,000 demonstrators showed up at the March on Washington rally to demand racial justice. There were 1,500 guests in attendance at the White House. Covid doesn’t care one iota about why you are gathered in ridiculously large numbers during a pandemic. Either there is an increased risk of transmission when crowded together with other individuals, or there isn’t. You don’t get to have it both ways. Shame on these medical professionals. If there was ever a time we needed to be able to trust them, it’s during a pandemic.

Eighth news item

Jerks to the left of me, jerks to the right:

(H/T lurker)

And, just because we’re sizzling through the dog days of summer, here is a gorgeous recording of “Summertime” by Ella Fitzgerald and Louie Armstrong, followed by an excerpt of Vivaldi’s “Summer” from the Four Seasons:

More summertime:

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Have a great weekend.

–Dana

420 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (292df6)

  2. Take it up with the 1500 researchers thar said ‘racism’ was the greater virus, how we ended up here in the first place.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  3. IDK how many people are interested in Tech news, but…

    In a battle of (to slightly misquote) “They are all bad.”

    Some background: Apple (the company) is a walled garden. The only place you can get software or applications native to the apple environment on whatever apple device you might use is through Apple. Apple’s app store has a very specific price structure and they take 30% of an app cost and 30% of anything sold through that app, but the app store is the only place you can get apps for the iphone, etc and you are not allowed to make those in app purchases anywhere else, either, just through the app store.

    Apple is currently under investigation by the EU for violation of anti-trust laws (remember this).

    In the last month:

    Epic games started allowing apple customers to just straight buy what would normally be their in-app purchases for Fortnite (a game) from the Epic store. Apple removed their app from the Apple app store and now Epic is suing them. Fair do. However, Epic also provides tools that other people use to develop a huge variety of different types of programs. Apple has now shut those companies off from getting updates for those tools by suspending Epic’s dev account, which is NOT the app that is in violation of Apple’s TOS. And, remember, they can’t get the updates anywhere else because Apple doesn’t let them.

    Then, they threatened to suspend the WordPress app. The wordpress app is a free website development tool (see this website here that we are currently on). They also provide paid tiers, which are NOT sold through the app at all, or even linked to it. App is free, tools are free. Apple told WordPress they had to add transactions into the app so that they could collect 30% of those transactions. That WordPress hadn’t been selling. They got a ton of bad publicity for this and eventually backed down. (wordpress isn’t actually bad)

    Now: Apple and Facebook have a fight

    Facebook allows the sales of online event tickets through its app. Apple wants a 30% cut of the ticket price. Facebook says “fine, but we’re telling people you are taking 30%” Apple says nuh-uh and disallows the update that would tell purchasers that Apple is taking 30% of the ticket price for the ticket price they are purchasing.

    This is all taking place during an active investigation into whether or not Apple is violating EU antitrust laws through predatory practices against app developers.

    Nic (896fdf)

  4. The answer to the question do you want trump re-elected is YES! Biden winning marginalizes the left. A trump victory energizes the left as it did in 2016. AOC walks into democratic nomination in 2024 as discredited democrat establishment and donor class are run out of party leadership.

    asset (4d51af)

  5. I, too, give a standing ovation to John DeBerry Jr.!

    felipe (023cc9)

  6. With a base of lawyers and looters, and joey still hiding in his basement, this is going to Make America Great.

    mg (8cbc69)

  7. https://reason.com/2020/08/13/sandia-laboratory-nuclear-white-male-privilege-training/

    Possibly the most important civil war brewing in our business culture is to remove this toxic rot from it.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  8. Dana, The speech that Deberry gave is the type of speech Biden needs to give. If Biden can’t give it he needs to use his stature to elevate Deberry and get those sentiments broader exposure.

    Time123 (af99e9)

  9. https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/08/27/906642178/one-authors-argument-in-defense-of-looting

    NPR is still funded by the taxpayer. So they support robbing us twice.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  10. Obama appears to have won the Obama care fight.

    The GOP attempted to repeal it 1 time only when they had the house, senate, and presidency.
    It wasn’t mentioned at all at their convention.
    Polling shows that it’s more popular than not with the public. Which is probably why the GOP gave up on it.

    FWIW I think the law is clunky and terrible and further cements in a 3rd party pays system that is deeply flawed. But I knew the GOP wasn’t going to do anything about it under Trump.

    Polling conducted by KFF for the past 10 years shows a shift in public opinion has occurred nationwide. (KHN is an editorially independent program of KFF, the Kaiser Family Foundation.)

    “Since Trump won the election in 2016, we now have consistently found that a larger share of the public holds favorable views” of the health law, said Ashley Kirzinger, associate director of public opinion and survey research for the foundation. “This really solidified in 2017 after the failed repeal in the Senate.”

    The foundation’s polling found that, in July 2014, 55% of voters opposed the law, while 36% favored it. By July 2020, that had flipped, with 51% favoring the law and 38% opposing it. A shift was seen across all political groups, though 74% of Republicans still viewed it unfavorably in the latest poll.

    Time123 (af99e9)

  11. Exactly how is this helpful during a pandemic??

    Well, it’s impossible to say without knowing all the details, but I think it’s pretty easy to understand why the university doesn’t want hundreds or thousands of free-lance sources spreading information that may be unconfirmed rumor or flat out incorrect.

    *If* (as the article suggests) the university has a system to notify people exposed to someone who tests positive, it would make sense to have that central, authoritative source be the one who contacts people and gives them accurate information and knowledgeable instructions on what to do, where to get tested, etc.

    Of course, if the university is simply trying to conceal peoples’ exposure, it would be an entirely different matter. But that would be completely insane from an institutional and liability standpoint, so it seems unlikely.

    On a related note, although UCI is not attempting in person instruction (and the Fall quarter doesn’t even start until October 1) this week they instituted a system where you have to indicate – every day – whether you have relevant symptoms (if you will not be on campus for that day, you just check that box and you’re done).

    Dave (1bb933)

  12. a law that makes your premiums more expensive, narrows your choice of doctor, that’s why single payer is popular, this is how it was designed, this is what obama told the iowa cauci, this is what jacob hacker, and jan shakowsky, and barnie frank spelled out, all designed by the apollo foundation and robert creamer,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  13. its not a primarily domestic organization,

    https://medium.com/@georgeeliason/chalupas-animal-farm-why-blacks-need-to-toss-the-skinny-white-antifa-terrorists-1f1775a4fb66

    markers in 2016, but all the way back to 99

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  14. Keep in mind that Dr. Rob Davidson is not just a medical commentator, but he also ran for Congress in 2018 as a Democrat, endorsed by the Justice Democrats, “The Squads” squad. I think CNN may have accidentally forgotten to mention that fact.

    Jerryskids (702a61)

  15. I think Mr. Dave has the right of it, although it might seem antithetical in a country which has enshrined gossip and rumor-mongering as the first enumerated right. I wouldn’t want some dipstick professor telling the world that my daughter has tested positive for Covid-19 (SHE HAS NOT!), either.

    nk (1d9030)

  16. Biden and Harris are starting to sweat. Making popcorn so I can enjoy watching Democrats try to put their Antifa/BLM genies back in the bottle.

    Would love it if Biden lost – it would probably mean the complete fracture of the Democratic Party. Couldn’t happen to a better bunch of anti-life socialists.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  17. What an absolutely fabulous roundup. It’s like reading Allahpundit without the gloomy cynicism.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  18. Putting the politics aside, there does appear to be an important difference between congregating in enclosed spaces without good ventilation vs. congregating outside. The areosol/droplet distinction is at work – aerosols accumulate. This makes enclosed spaces increasingly dangerous over time as people exhale, moderated by whatever ventilation.

    Stay safe.

    john (cd2753)

  19. Is DeBerry from the same machine as Harold Ford Jr? Another reason to rue Bob Corker, for Ford Jr might have been a more palatable “1st” lizard.

    urbanleftbehind (ea5feb)

  20. Totally agree, john. Still air is the minefield.

    nk (1d9030)

  21. One, regarding the 2nd tweet video, where was hotel security? No one was there to help their guests safely enter, and instead had to go through a parking garage. The Willard won’t be getting my business, but I will be ordering takeout from Papa John’s.
    Two, Mr. Deberry’s speech was historic, even legendary, all 10:36 of it. I don’t why MRCTV spliced out 3½ minutes of his powerful words (leaving out references to MLK, George Floyd and the Memphis police chief), but it didn’t have to be.
    Three, the usual protocol is that folks are informed beforehand about being used as political props, but I suppose when you’re having trouble trying to scare up brown-skinned people to make it look like lots of minorities support your campaign, you do what you gotta do.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  22. Judge orders jury trial in Sarah Palin libel suit against New York Times
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/29/sarah-palin-libel-new-york-times-404810

    A federal judge has ordered a jury trial in former Arkansas Gov. Sarah Palin’s libel suit against the New York Times over an editorial linking her to the 2011 Arizona shooting rampage that badly wounded then-Rep. Gabby Giffords and killed six others.

    In a ruling issued Friday evening, Rakoff said the issues were not as clear cut as either party suggested, so the matter will have to be decided by a jury.

    beer ‘n pretzels (acaaba)

  23. AllahPundit pointed out that Dr. Davidson is a Democrat partisan who ran for Congress and lost, so tsk-tsk to Anderson Cooper for not disclosing that. Davidson did temper his comment that the protesters were “mostly wearing masks”, but the risk is there, especially when DC is only in Phase Two, which requires masks at mass gatherings.
    I’m hesitant to do hypotheticals, but I thought I’d throw this one out. Let’s say you’re just dying to get out of the house and there are two crowded outdoor events with exactly equal appeal. Do you choose the venue where most of the folks are masked, or the one where most of the attendees are unmasked?

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  24. What’s wrong with gloomy cynicism?

    Dave (1bb933)

  25. I’ve added lurker’s video at 16 to the post. Jerks to the left of me, jerks to the right.

    Dana (292df6)

  26. @6.With a base of lawyers and looters, and joey still hiding in his basement, this is going to Make America Great.

    “What we’re working on is how I get out.” — Joe Biden 8/28/20

    Plagiarist JoeyBee has to literally form a committee to figure out how to leave a room.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  27. Regarding 8th news item: the claims that the man who threw the sucker punch was writer Eric Metaxas, his face isn’t totally visible but you can hear a woman (or women) very clearly call out his name twice, and then the third time, the voice sounds like she is saying: “Eric, hon, get over here!”

    While it’s only a sideview glimpse of the attacker’s face, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that it’s Metaxas, who did attend convention speech at the White House.

    Dana (292df6)

  28. John Deberry speech is excellent. I do wonder why someone with his experience would be a member of the same party that confounded the civil rights legislation, the same party that ran Memphis with a segregationist Dem Mayor, the same party that ran the other major cities that he cited as having civil unrest due to discrimination, and the same party that in 1967, delivered a truckload of watermelons to the black appointed mayor of DC as a response to that mayor’s 1st submitted budget to Congress.

    Maybe the pathway to peace is calling for all calls to denounce to be equally distributed. The Dem party has a terrible history when it comes to blacks. They should take ownership of it if they want to really give sense to the senseless riots.

    BuDuh (9c6a82)

  29. “I like Tom Wolfe. No, I didn’t read Bonfire of the Vanities, but I reading my book, and Tom Wolfe’s latest. What, his latest is Bonfire of the Vanities? Ach, bad microphone! Can’t hear anything!”
    Folks who had eyes to see and ears to hear 33 years ago.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  30. @38: Gee Montagu, I don’t think a gaffe fest contest is what you want.

    https://youtu.be/SRV5Y1JCGRI

    beer ‘n pretzels (51d74a)

  31. DCSCA- mahalo for all the laughs, one reason i stick around

    mg (8cbc69)

  32. Except I didn’t show a gaffe, beer. Trump was caught in a bald-faced lie, and then pretended there were technical problems.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  33. Oh yeah, Montagu, you’re right. One year later Biden would give a speech he pretended was his own.

    beer ‘n pretzels (d4e3e7)

  34. @39: What Paul linked to is not a “gaffe.”

    It’s yet another example of Donald Trump flat-out lying in an effort to make himself look better. It shows how Trump has no regard at all for the concept of truth. His personal “truth” is whatever serves himself at the moment.
    This has long been obvious to people paying attention (including his sister) — though some try to explain it away with sophistical arguments that he’s really displaying a higher form of character, and that his conspicuous dishonesty and selfishness are merely “style.”

    One variation of this argument is that “the man” is completely separable from what the man does with power and how the man makes decisions affecting the rest of us, and that “grownups” understand this deep truth. And that distinguishing “the man” from what the man does with power is comparable to distinguishing a musician’s politics from a musician’s music. (No, it’s really not a similar distinction at all.)

    If “the man” is inconsequential and all that matters is “policy,” let’s dispense with the whole president thing and just vote for a set of policies that the permanent bureaucracy is to implement.

    PS – Great pictures, Dana.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  35. The problem, beer, is that the toothpick of Biden’s plagiarism pales before the redwood forest of Trump’s lies since 1/20/2017. And no, I’m not voting for the guy. If I were to fill in the circle today, it would be Larry Hogan as a write-in.

    BTW, here’s a moving remembrance of Mr. Boseman. Flags in Wakanda at half staff. RIP.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  36. https://disrn.com/opinion/opinion-isnt-it-weird-that-nobody-heard-about-this-horrific-interracial-double-murder

    Some crimes are just “local crime stories” while others are pushed by the national media and get sports teams to walk off the field. Agenda anyone?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  37. #42 —
    There’s no one else in public life who matches Trump for the routine brazenness of his lies.
    The reason his lying is so routine and so brazen is that he sees everything — true and false, good and bad, the value of other people, etc. — through the lens of self-interest and self-glorification. That’s obvious to anyone who has watched and listened for very long, and isn’t self-deluding.

    Self-interest (seasoned with cruelty) is the lens through which he views policy choices, because he has no other.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  38. Trump used to insist Obama was committing an abuse of office by making donor calls from AF1. Now Trump has TRUMP 2020 fireworks over the Washington Monument/ WW2 memorial while he holds a re-election convention on the south lawn of the White House, because Trump thinks it’s funny no one can enforce the law against him.

    When people say ‘plagiarism’ I don’t think the idea is that Biden is remotely morally near Trump. I think it’s more of a joke. That Trump is immoral beyond description and a guy whose worst sin is mild is challenged to compete with him. It’s worth pointing out that the democrats lost so much credibility that this was possible.

    Due to how the news cycle works, I don’t think people invested in politics understand that the parties aren’t really defined by the latest events. There’s a very long chain of an unnatural theory on crime running from Dukakis to Harris. We implicitly know we can’t trust Team D with our safety. That there is a contempt for a peaceful suburb full of hard working nuclear families. Most democrats definitely do not have that contempt, but enough in power do that the trust isn’t there. Never will be. And Trump came along (part of Team D most of his life) and took full advantage of the opening this created. And Trump is above the law, writing check after check on the GOP’s reputation. My hope that some republicans value accountability and limited government wasn’t exactly strong before Trump, but it is completely zero now.

    Anyway, plagiarism I guess. Not Trump’s though. The punchline is that horrible and meh are the same, 2+2=5.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  39. Some crimes are just “local crime stories” while others are pushed by the national media and get sports teams to walk off the field. Agenda anyone?

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/29/2020 @ 10:18 am

    Couple of weekend threads ago we were talking about a standoff where three police officers were shot in Cedar Park, Texas (just a few minutes from me). A black man shot three cops, held children hostage, and the cops patiently worked with the man for 16 hours and finally arrested him without further use of force. Had he been a white suspect this would have been another ‘proof of racism’ and because it was a black suspect it simply isn’t news anymore. The hundreds of thousands of stories where nothing bad happens, or something really good happens, are not useful so they are not used.

    Everybody does it. You can’t tell me the 9000 references to Biden’s Plagiarism are a sober analysis of the sins of each presidential candidate. But journalists are supposed to think this over and make sure we understand the world. It must not be a good business model to do it this way.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  40. Putting the politics aside, there does appear to be an important difference between congregating in enclosed spaces without good ventilation vs. congregating outside. The areosol/droplet distinction is at work – aerosols accumulate. This makes enclosed spaces increasingly dangerous over time as people exhale, moderated by whatever ventilation.

    While I agree with this distinction under normal conditions, the weather, as I read, was 93° in the daytime, and a low at night was 74° (you can any number of women who attended the event wearing sleeveless above-the-knee summer dresses). The humidity was high (est. 85%). No winds were recorded. Thus, it was a perfect petri dish soup.

    Dana (292df6)

  41. For every lie Trump is found to have uttered, there seems a desperate urge by his supporters to scramble and find a lie told by Biden. If there isn’t a direct one, something can be manipulated or tweaked to fall under the outer edges of a “lie”. This is the wrong approach, no matter what side of the aisle one is. We should be aggressively pointing out the lies told by our elected officials because those lies ultimately hurt America, and diminish her. The power over us that politicians have is stunning. I resist it as much as I can and remember that even those pols that I might like, have heavy feet of clay. Stop idolizing politicians, or trying to make them be what you *need* them to be. Stop ignoring their egregious acts and statement and behaviors as if they weren’t there, and didn’t exist. They are there and they do exists, and we can all see through the efforts to blather about this great thing he’s done, while ignoring the horrible thing they have done. You’re efforts to wish it away or distract from it doesn’t work, and in fact, makes you look as dishonest as the politician you are trying to defend. Knock it off.

    Dana (292df6)

  42. Couple of weekend threads ago we were talking about a standoff where three police officers were shot in Cedar Park, Texas (just a few minutes from me). A black man shot three cops, held children hostage, and the cops patiently worked with the man for 16 hours and finally arrested him without further use of force. Had he been a white suspect this would have been another ‘proof of racism’ and because it was a black suspect it simply isn’t news anymore. The hundreds of thousands of stories where nothing bad happens, or something really good happens, are not useful so they are not used.

    Everybody does it. You can’t tell me the 9000 references to Biden’s Plagiarism are a sober analysis of the sins of each presidential candidate. But journalists are supposed to think this over and make sure we understand the world. It must not be a good business model to do it this way.

    Dustin (5418f4) — 8/29/2020 @ 10:32 am

    I agree that everyone does it. What angers me is that the media is deliberately stoking the flames of racial hatred and dividing this nation further to create irreconcilable differences because they think it’ll help them win and election and push their agenda on the public.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  43. What angers me is that the media is deliberately stoking the flames of racial hatred and dividing this nation further to create irreconcilable differences because they think it’ll help them win and election and push their agenda on the public.

    That is what Trump is doing. That is what he did to win the nomination. That is what he continued to do to keep his base content. That is what he has dialed up to 11 now to win reelection.

    nk (1d9030)

  44. I have a real problem with somebody who throws a sucker punch and then runs. I mean, sucker punching somebody is bad enough, but if you should do that then you are obligated to stand there and give the guy a fair fight in return. The antifa creep on the bike is a snively little jerk, but the puncher has violated a huge rule of the Man Code and should be shunned.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  45. But guess what? Some voters, voters that he needs, are smarter than his base. https://www.newsweek.com/suburban-voters-say-trump-never-addressed-covid-19-racial-unrest-rnc-simply-ignored-it-1528531

    nk (1d9030)

  46. the media is deliberately stoking the flames of racial hatred and dividing this nation further to create irreconcilable differences because they think it’ll help them win

    I used to be pretty convinced that’s all media bias was. Back when I was a Republican. Weirdly I kept hearing about this from the media (folks like Rush, on Fox News Channel). Democrats with bylines. I think that’s a trick. By telling the true believers that all information against their side is fake news, when true believers encounter a challenge to their world view, they usually wind up more loyal.

    It doesn’t help that without a doubt most journalists are very biased towards the left. This blog used to be all about the LA Times with very carefully written examples of the problem. So we have media bias, but I think the intention is probably a lot less clear. Some of this media bias is a business model. The constant promotion of a narrative that keeps readers engaged for as long as possible, keeps readers coming back to scratch that itch and comfort them that they are right about the world. It’s like the Weather Channel for partisan outrage. It’s not really about ensuring the weather is bad. It’s about ensuring people who are addicted to this issue know where to go, over and over.

    Something about citizen journalism and the internet actually works against fairness. The loudest hacks build the fastest and most lucrative readerships. The folks saying ‘hold on, challenge this idea for a second’ get the most anger. It is harder work, for less money, to do it right. I think blogs only highlight the issue for all journalism.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  47. Nk,

    what about being pro-America is fanning the flames of racial hatred? Trump has actually done outreach to minority communities which is why the media tries to hard to push him as a racist. They are afraid he will peel off some of their loyal voting block.

    Try avoiding attacking Trump personally for a moment if you choose to answer.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  48. so hard to*

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  49. It’s not a sucker punch just because the bicyclist thinks you’ll only jump out of his way when he barrels down towards you. And I would characterize running away backwards as taunting.

    What I see in both incidents is who has a mob behind him and who doesn’t, that’s what I see.

    nk (1d9030)

  50. For every lie Trump is found to have uttered, there seems a desperate urge by his supporters to scramble and find a lie told by Biden.

    For every lie Trump is found to have uttered, LOL even 33 years ago (when he was 20 years away from even getting involved in politics), we can find a tweet, news story or blog about it.

    For every Biden lie or dishonesty, it gets dismissed, ignored or explained away and anyone who brings it up is afflicted with a “desperate urge”.

    Anyone here is free to make 99.9% percent of their comments anti-Trump and focus only on Trump’s lies all the while claiming they’re holding both candidates accountable, just as I’m free to find that comically incredulous.

    I suggest reviewing Biden’s debate with Paul Ryan for a palate cleanser.

    beer ‘n pretzels (04d329)

  51. I have a real problem with somebody who throws a sucker punch and then runs. I mean, sucker punching somebody is bad enough, but if you should do that then you are obligated to stand there and give the guy a fair fight in return. The antifa creep on the bike is a snively little jerk, but the puncher has violated a huge rule of the Man Code and should be shunned.

    JVW (ee64e4) — 8/29/2020 @ 10:54 am

    No kidding.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  52. @ bnp,

    For every lie Trump is found to have uttered, LOL even 33 years ago (when he was 20 years away from even getting involved in politics), we can find a tweet, news story or blog about it.

    For every Biden lie or dishonesty, it gets dismissed, ignored or explained away and anyone who brings it up is afflicted with a “desperate urge”.

    Anyone here is free to make 99.9% percent of their comments anti-Trump and focus only on Trump’s lies all the while claiming they’re holding both candidates accountable, just as I’m free to find that comically incredulous.

    I suggest reviewing Biden’s debate with Paul Ryan for a palate cleanser.

    I suggest you read my comment again because you seem to have missed the point of it.

    Dana (292df6)

  53. Nothing about being pro-America is fanning the flames of racial hatred, NJRob.

    nk (1d9030)

  54. https://www.dailywire.com/news/klavan-black-assimilation-is-the-great-threat-to-democrats

    If there was one moment during the Republican convention that caused my official Daily Wire Leftist Tears Tumbler to magically overflow, it was in a speech by former Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley.

    “In much of the Democratic Party, it’s now fashionable to say that America is racist,” Haley said. “That is a lie. America is not a racist country.”

    Democrats and the media — but I repeat myself — reacted swiftly.

    “I’m just hung up a little bit about Nikki Haley,” said hung up ABC Anchor Linsey Davis. “A comment that she made, ‘America is not a racist country.’ I think that that’s a statement that a lot of black people, black and brown people, would take umbrage with.”

    Chicago Tribune columnist Dahleen Glanton was blunter, saying the statement made Haley “appear to be either disgracefully ignorant or a blatant liar.”

    But, of course, what Haley really was, was completely correct. There is a history of institutional racism in America, no doubt, but today our country is wholly free of it. The U.S. is easily the least racist nation on the planet. There is certainly nowhere else with such a multi-ethnic population as committed to keeping its institutions fair. Why, in America, a black person can be elected president — twice — something no other white majority nation can say.

    But the idea that all this might be true is a tremendous threat to the Democrats’ near monopoly on black votes. They live on racial division. This is why, in the words of Wall Street Journal Columnist Jason Riley, Democrats “focus their energies on keeping black people angry and paranoid, not on improving black lives.”

    Yep.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  55. Trump Program to Cover Uninsured Covid-19 Patients Falls Short of Promise

    Marilyn Cortez, a retired cafeteria worker in Houston with no health insurance, spent much of July in the hospital with Covid-19. When she finally returned home, she received a $36,000 bill that compounded the stress of her illness.

    Then someone from the hospital, Houston Methodist, called and told her not to worry — President Trump had paid it.

    But then another bill arrived, for twice as much.

    Ms. Cortez’s care is supposed to be covered under a program Mr. Trump announced this spring as the coronavirus pandemic was taking hold — a time when millions of people were losing their health insurance and the administration was doubling down on trying to dismantle the Affordable Care Act, the law that had expanded coverage to more than 20 million people.

    “This should alleviate any concern uninsured Americans may have about seeking the coronavirus treatment,” Mr. Trump said in April about the program, which is supposed to cover testing and treatment for uninsured people with Covid-19, using money from the federal coronavirus relief package passed by Congress.

    ……… Few patients seem to know the program exists, so they don’t question the charges. And some hospitals and other medical providers have chosen not to participate in the program, which bars them from seeking any payment from patients whose bills they submit to it.

    Large numbers of patients have also been disqualified because Covid-19 has to be the primary diagnosis for a case to be covered (unless the patient is pregnant). Since hospitalized Covid patients often have other serious medical conditions, many have other primary diagnoses………
    ……
    Health care providers in all 50 states had been reimbursed a total of $851 million from the fund as of last week — $267 million for testing and $584 million for treatment— with hospitals in Texas and New Jersey receiving the most.

    But the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonpartisan research organization, has estimated that hospital costs alone for uninsured coronavirus patients could reach between $13.9 billion and $41.8 billion, far more than what the program has paid out so far.
    ……..
    Nationally, the total average charge for uninsured Covid- patients requiring a hospital stay is $73,300, according to FAIR Health, a health care cost database, although they may be able to negotiate a lower amount.
    ……..
    Unlike previous administrations during public health emergencies, Mr. Trump’s has not encouraged even temporary expansions of Medicaid — except for limited Covid testing — in states where the program covers few poor adults. It also declined to broadly reopen enrollment for Affordable Care Act plans once the pandemic began, although people who lose job-based coverage can enroll.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  56. of course it is, the left has shown their cards about what damage they want to wreak upon this country, this drooling old man, can’t tell the difference between a criminal like blake, and one who defended the lives and property of the people of kenosha, rittenhouse is young, then again when the national guard is outnumbered, when the police are neutered, when tony cadaver, has let the furies fly, what’s the alternative,
    seeing the precedent of alexandria, it’s not out of the question, the events last thursday could have gone much worse, rand paul has been made quite aware, we have been saddled with this crushing lockdown that kills economies and does little to halt the spread, it makes one wonder what the real purpose is of these protocols, the criminals are free and the law abiding citizens are lockdowned, this is orwell on benzedrine,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  57. It still doesn’t feel like we have the whole story, but a liberal lawyer friend at my home site put it this way…

    The Left Needs Better Representatives…Jacob Blake Was a Good Shoot
    At least under current policy and training (if deadly force being used, shoot at mass of body…with several, if not many shots)
    Mr. Blake was apparently stealing keys to a vehicle not his, reason police first called.
    Mr. Blake actually fought with police
    Mr. Blake was Tazed twice (I can’t wait to see the toxicology report)
    Mr. Blake had a felony warrent out for his arrest for sexual assault of a minor
    Mr. Blake refused to obey police directions and went to take vehicle, or grab a gun (turns out to be a knife), and drive away with children, in a car that was not his, felony kidnapping.
    Now I think 7 shots were maybe too many…but I want a better person to represent my values and causes.

    http://www.theforvm *dot* org/ahistoric-thread#comment-401320
    One, I’m not able to confirm whether Blake stole the vehicle keys, which doesn’t make sense because his three kids were inside, unless he was trying to take them away from his baby mama.
    Two, the initial police call wasn’t about Blake playing diplomat to a domestic dispute. It said this.

    Sunday’s incident began when a woman called police saying “her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises,” the Wisconsin Department of Justice Division of Criminal Investigation said.
    In a police call, a dispatcher names Blake and says he “isn’t supposed to be there” and that he took the complainant’s keys and refused to leave. The dispatcher later explains she doesn’t have more details because the caller was “uncooperative.”

    Based on what the police knew, it was about Blake, not a couple of loud arguing women.
    Three, the Wisconsin DOJ made it sound like Blake was actually carrying a knife, that it wasn’t just sitting there on the floor of the SUV.

    During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons.

    Four, the police labor union, which has a vested interest in protecting their own, made their own statement. It could be 100% true, but I’d rather hear it from the state DOJ. It’s odd that I can’t find the actual text of their statement, so I’m settling with this account. It sounds like the police didn’t know about Blake’s warrant or criminal history beforehand. And there’s this…

    Matthews said officers made multiple requests to Blake to drop the knife, but he was uncooperative. He said officers used a Taser on Blake, but it did not incapacitate him.
    “Blake forcefully fought with the officers, including putting one of the officers in a headlock,” Matthews said. A second stun from a Taser also did not stop him, he said.

    As I referenced elsewhere, there are easy rules about how to not get your a$$ by the police, and Mr. Blake flouted them. In an ideal world, maybe one shot would’ve been enough, would’ve been justified. Seven still seems excessive.
    On the scale of black victims of police violence, Mr. Blake falls somewhere between Michael Brown (a justified shooting of a person who recently committed a felony at a c-store) and Mr. Floyd (an unjustified killing by Chauvin), IMO, but probably closer to Brown and Floyd.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  58. Shoot. Comment in moderation. A leg up, Dana?

    [Done. – JVW]

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  59. It’s not a sucker punch just because the bicyclist thinks you’ll only jump out of his way when he barrels down towards you.

    Nah, I watched it again closely and what I see is the a-hole bike rider riding along with his sing-song taunts and the other guy stepping up to him and throwing the punch. It still seems to me to be a sucker punch.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  60. I don’t get the whole “Blake wasn’t supposed to be there” bit. Either there was a restraining order against him or there wasn’t — unless there is some other term for an order that prohibits one from being at a certain location. But why aren’t we being told the nature of the restriction on Mr. Blake’s presence?

    JVW (ee64e4)

  61. President Donald Trump goes to Lake Charles, Louisana to survey Cat 4 storm damage.

    Joe Biden goes to bathroom. In basement. By committee decree.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. For every Biden lie or dishonesty, it gets dismissed, ignored or explained away and anyone who brings it up is afflicted with a “desperate urge”.

    You won’t see me dismissing, ignoring or explaining Biden’s lies. It’s a simple fact that he plagiarized more than once, but he simply doesn’t lie as much as Trump, by orders of magnitude, which goes to the latter’s lack of character and morality.
    Let me ask you this, beer. How many more lies does Trump have you to tell before you say, “Hmm, that’s just too much, I can’t trust a thing he says. I’m withdrawing my vote for the guy and picking someone else.” He’s already told 20,000-plus since Inauguration Day, or nearly 16 per day. So is it twenty per day? Thirty? A hundred?

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  63. As Trump appointees flout the Hatch Act, civil servants who get caught get punished

    A Defense Logistics Agency employee was suspended for 30 days without pay last fall after giving his office colleagues a PowerPoint presentation that displayed the words, “Vote Republican.”

    An Energy Department worker was forced to resign in January after admitting she gave a woman running for Congress a tour of a federal waste treatment plant so the candidate could show her expertise to potential voters.

    Another civil servant began a 120-day suspension without pay from the Food and Drug Administration in July after creating a Facebook page with his name and photograph to solicit political donations and then co-hosting a fundraiser.
    ……..
    [W]hen it comes to flouting the separation between governing and politicking, there appears to be a two-tiered system of consequences.
    …….
    …….[T]he Office of Special Counsel, a small, independent agency that issued 134 letters to federal employees warning them of improper behavior during the first three years of the Trump administration, according to an agency report to Congress. An additional 46 federal workers were disciplined, and 31 more were told to withdraw from political races or leave government to pursue them.

    ……. Special Counsel Henry Kerner, who was appointed by President Trump, has cited at least nine high-level Trump appointees for abusing their government roles to further the president’s reelection or disparage his rivals.

    And they have largely thumbed their noses at the law — with the president’s blessing.

    Career employees, meanwhile, have faced warning letters, reprimands, suspensions without pay and, in extreme cases, been fired and debarred from returning to government.

    The most prominent culprit in the Trump era has been Kellyanne Conway, who is leaving her job as White House counselor this week. Kerner found last year that Conway was a repeat offender who disparaged Democratic presidential candidates while speaking in her official capacity in television interviews and on social media. He recommended firing her.

    Discipline for Conway and others was up to Trump, according to Office of Special Counsel’s interpretation of the law. The president took no action in her case or that of several other high-level appointees …..

    “Blah blah blah,” Conway said last year. “Let me know when the jail sentence starts.”
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  64. 70…I bet it’s more John Bel Edwards saying Thanks, but no Thanks, rather than Biden’s old age issues. If JBE hugs Trump, its game set match.

    urbanleftbehind (ea5feb)

  65. And they have largely thumbed their noses at the law — with the president’s blessing.

    Career employees, meanwhile, have faced warning letters, reprimands, suspensions without pay and, in extreme cases, been fired and debarred from returning to government.

    The most prominent culprit in the Trump era has been Kellyanne Conway

    “Career employees” = Deep State = Evil. Lock them up!
    Supporters of Trump = Patriotic Real Americans = Forces of Light. If you criticize them, it means you hate America and God.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  66. How many more lies does Trump have to tell you before you say, “Hmm, that’s just too much,

    Sometimes I think the indulgence granted to Trump’s dishonesty and selfishness is a bit less puzzling than the indifference to his absurdity, and the fantasy that it’s all just the rough surface over a deep wisdom.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  67. Mayor Ted Wheeler
    @tedwheeler

    Today, I sent this letter via email to @realDonaldTrump declining his recurring offer to aid Portland by sending federal enforcement to the city.

    https://twitter.com/tedwheeler/status/1299433988600156160?s=20
    __ _

    XVX
    @ash98668967
    ·
    Are you proud of this letter?
    __ _

    Rita Panahi
    @RitaPanahi
    ·
    Resign, you incompetent loon.
    __ _

    applesauce
    @nykdman
    ·
    Do. Your. Job. Ted.
    __ _

    Blondie Hound
    @BlondieHound
    ·
    I’m detecting a virtue signal.
    The people you are trying to appease will eat you alive, and your just sitting there acting like everything is fine.
    __ _

    stevo
    @javelin290
    ·
    When the mob comes for you, and they will, be sure to hold up this letter. It will protect you as much as you protect the honest law-abiding people of your city. #Fool
    __ _

    Rising Tide NA
    @RisingTideNA

    · BREAKING: Activists occupy Portland mayor Ted Wheeler’s apartment and aren’t leaving until he: resigns, abolishes the police by 2022 with no tech or private replacement, and allots saved resources to BIPOC communities and city services. #TearGasTed #AbolishPPB #WheelerResign
    __ _

    harkin (cd4502)

  68. its rather striking but andy ngo has been documenting this sector of lawlessness for three years now, it’s like those provinces in a third world country, where the guerillas roam free, our own little corner of tripoli mogadishu, and I don’t pick those two locations at random, those are the axis of activity, that apelbaum noted, first after the death of general suleimani, and in subsequent updates, I guess happiness is freshly fired mortar, which we are told to minimize,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  69. its rather striking but andy ngo has been documenting this sector of lawlessness for three years now, it’s like those provinces in a third world country, where the guerillas roam free

    The European left and their friends here in America have been sniffing for the past decade that the idea there exists certain “no-go zones” controlled by immigrant (Muslim) mobs in cities like Paris, Amsterdam, Malmo, and Manchester is completely an invention of right-wing racists. But how close are we here in the U.S. to establishing zones in cities such as Seattle, Minneapolis, Portland, and others which local politicians and the police will leave to the stewardship of gangs and anarchists?

    JVW (ee64e4)

  70. He’s already told 20,000-plus since Inauguration Day, or nearly 16 per day. So is it twenty per day? Thirty? A hundred?

    Fact check that, Montagu.

    You didn’t even list one example.

    Trump says he’ll appoint sane judges, and I trust him on that. He’s delivered sane judges for four years, and it’s making a difference. No lie.

    In contrast, Biden and his superfans portray him as a centrist. They won’t ever be candid and truthful about the left wing nut cases he will appoint. That’s a lie that actually matters.

    beer ‘n pretzels (741a28)

  71. very close frankly, there were some details in the link that showed the transnational reach of these organizations, going back to 1999, now if dhs were doing something more than inventoring hawaiian shirts,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  72. oh really, that’s longer than hanson, only wu tai chi, and kendall myers have been active this long,

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/28/peter-debbins-gru-ikar-lesnikov/

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  73. For every lie Trump is found to have uttered, there seems a desperate urge by his supporters to scramble and find a lie told by Biden.

    Haha! I wonder if we can turn that into a Mad Libs.

    For every ________ is found to have ________, there seems a desperate urge by ____ supporters to scramble and find a/an _______ by ________.

    I will start with the Eighth News Item:

    For every assault BLM/Antifa Marxists is found to have committed, there seems a desperate urge by Never Trump supporters to scramble and find an assault by normally peaceful Americans.

    BuDuh (ad278a)

  74. In-between “F#%K YOU! F#%K TRUMP! F#%K YOU! F#%K Trump!” and “You just attacked me, bro, that’s a felony! You just attacked me, bro, that’s a felony! You just attacked me, bro, that’s a felony!” It appears as though the peaceful pedalist rode himself into the violent person’s social distancing sphere. On fear of covid alone how do you defend your 6’ circle of CDC hallowed ground? Even if covid wasn’t the excuse du jour is there anything codified in DC about some freak encroaching on your personal space?

    BuDuh (ad278a)

  75. Here is a longer and more clear view of the Never Trumpers’ new hero:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CEa6BYnhzof/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=loading

    A real model citizen. The equivalent of a store owner getting his business burned to the ground or a pickup truck driver getting his brains beat out of him.

    I found it linked here:

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/eric-metaxas-protester-christian-dandy-throws-a-punch/

    I tend to believe the assumption that the author is making. There is an interesting update at the end of his post.

    BuDuh (ad278a)

  76. The European left and their friends here in America have been sniffing for the past decade that the idea there exists certain “no-go zones” controlled by immigrant (Muslim) mobs in cities like Paris, Amsterdam, Malmo, and Manchester is completely an invention of right-wing racists. But how close are we here in the U.S. to establishing zones in cities such as Seattle, Minneapolis, Portland, and others which local politicians and the police will leave to the stewardship of gangs and anarchists?

    As long as there are mayors like Wheeler, I can easily see that happening, at least in the major cities. Those who live in suburbia are going to batten down the hatches and keep a healthy distance from the turmoil. Sadly, there are those living in the volatile areas that are unable to leave, and will have to dig in to keep safe.

    Here is Wheeler’s letter to the Feds this week rejecting the offer of help:

    Yet again, you said you offered to aid Portland by sending in federal law enforcement to our city.

    On behalf of the City of Portland: No thanks.

    We don’t need your politics of division and demagoguery. Portlanders are onto you. We have already seen your reckless disregard for human life in your bumbling response to the COVID pandemic. And we know you’ve reached the conclusion that images of violence or vandalism are your only ticket to reelection.

    There is no place for looting, arson, or vandalism in our city. There is no room here for racist violence or those who wish to bring their ideology of hate into our community. Those who commit criminal acts will be apprehended and prosecuted under the law.

    Tens of thousands of Portlanders have peacefully protested and marched for the noble cause of fixing our broken criminal justice system. They are part of the proud progressive tradition of Portlanders fighting for justice – from racial justice to economic justice to environmental justice.

    When you sent the Feds to Portland last month, you made the situation far worse. Your offer to repeat that disaster is a cynical attempt to stoke fear and distract us from the real work of our city.

    In Portland, we are focused on coming together as a community to solve the serious challenges we face due to systemic racism, a global pandemic and an economic recession.

    Stay away, please.

    Dana (292df6)

  77. Fact check that, Montagu.

    Um, it’s been done, more than once, but if you want specifics, they did summarize a number of lies in one single interview on Hannity…

    ♠ Former president Barack Obama “did not want” to give surplus military equipment to police. Obama scaled back the program but still allowed specialized firearms, manned and unmanned aircraft, explosives and riot gear.
    ♠ Trump has “tremendous support” in the African American community. No polling shows this.
    ♠ Trump “insisted” the National Guard be used in Minneapolis to quell disturbances and Seattle officials “knew” he was ready to act with force if the city did not shut down protests. Local officials say neither claim is true; they acted on their own.
    ♠ The United States has a “record” for coronavirus testing, and China has not tested as many people as the United States. The United States still lags several major countries in terms of tests per million people, the best metric for comparison. The United States has a higher per capita testing rate than China, but China in June said it had tested 90 million people — at the time, three times as many as the United States.
    ♠ Obama and former vice president Joe Biden “spied” on his campaign and “knew everything that was going on.” Trump has made allegations of Obama spying since 2017, based on little or no evidence.
    ♠ The jury forewoman in the Roger Stone trial was “disgraceful.” The judge in the case rejected claims of bias. Tomeka Hart’s political leanings and activities were clearly known during the jury selection process, and not even Stone’s legal team tried to strike her from the jury pool.
    ♠ Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, was placed in “solitary confinement,” while Al Capone “was never in solitary confinement.” Manafort was in a “private, self-contained living unit” that was larger than other units, which included a bathroom, shower, telephone and laptop access, according to court records. Capone was eventually sent to the infamous Alcatraz prison, where he was stabbed and got into fights and, according to some reports, ended up in solitary confinement as his brain deteriorated from untreated syphilis.
    ♠ “We’re doing record numbers on the border.” In 2020, no records have been set, and border apprehensions spiked sharply in June.
    ♠ “We’ve rebuilt the military, 2.5 trillion dollars.” Trump frequently suggests this money is all for new equipment, but he’s just adding together three years of budgets, none of which is a record.

    His sphincter must’ve been exhausted with all the talking out of his a$$, all that volume of drivel coming out.
    So, beer, I take your answer to be: It doesn’t matter what Trump does or how many lies he tells, as long as he works off the Federalist Society list that Cruz asked him to do, he’s your guy. That is an answer of sorts, I suppose.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  78. Um,

    … Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/29/2020 @ 2:11 pm

    LOL

    BuDuh (776371)

  79. Here is a longer and more clear view of the Never Trumpers’ new hero:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CEa6BYnhzof/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=loading

    A real model citizen. The equivalent of a store owner getting his business burned to the ground or a pickup truck driver getting his brains beat out of him…

    BuDuh (ad278a) — 8/29/2020 @ 2:03 pm

    I certainly didn’t post the clip to which you are referring to promote the individual who took the punch as a “hero”. If your comment was addressed to me, you will need to retract your statement.

    If you read my brief, yet clear commentary, “jerks to the left of me, jerks to the right,” you can see that it in no way elevates the victim of the sucker punch to heroic levels. Rather it is simply noting that there are jerks on both sides of the aisle who are willing to abuse others because they are rank individuals, they want to express their pent-up rage, they believe they “have history on their side,” they believe they are the victims in the political kabuki playing out in the public square, or they’re just into performative bullshit.

    Dana (292df6)

  80. Josh Glancy
    @joshglancy
    Spent the last 36 hours walking around Kenosha in a daze. Large swathes of the city are indistinguishable from a war zone.

    The destruction in places is total, the locals dazed, shocked and trying to be brave.

    Here are some pictures /1
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    Josh Glancy
    @joshglancy
    ·
    The worst hit area is uptown, beating heart of the city’s black community. Ice cream shops, nail salons, faith missions, all smouldering husks /2
    __ _

    Josh Glancy
    @joshglancy
    ·
    I couldn’t even work out what this building used to be /3
    __ _

    Josh Glancy
    @joshglancy
    ·
    Every single local I spoke to blamed “out of towners” for the worst of the destruction. They didn’t offer a huge amount of evidence for this, but it’s a blanket consensus /4
    __ _

    Josh Glancy
    @joshglancy
    ·
    This is the car lot next to where the Kyle Rittenhouse shootings took place. You could still taste the smoke /5
    __ _

    Josh Glancy
    @joshglancy
    ·
    Pretty much every boarded up shop has a mural or painting on it now. Some have plaintive requests to prospective fire starters: “Kids live upstairs” /6

    https://twitter.com/joshglancy/status/1299734456643792896?s=20
    __

    Imagine having to paint ‘kids live upstairs’ to deter ‘peaceful protesters’ from burning down your home.
    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  81. . If your comment was addressed to me, you will need to retract your statement.

    Not at all directed to you, Dana. I followed lurkers link and was distributed by the comments there.

    BuDuh (776371)

  82. disturbed by the comments there.

    BuDuh (776371)

  83. ‘Jerks to the right of me, jerks to the left of me’ is the exact false meme the Left wants everyone to embrace so they can excuse the near-monopoly of themselves for not only the destruction and looting, but also the failure of their Democrat-owned-and-operated cities from protecting life, liberty and property.
    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  84. Thank you for the clarification, BuDuh.

    Dana (292df6)

  85. Anytime, Dana.

    BuDuh (776371)

  86. harkin,

    I’m not excusing anyone who is abusive to their fellow man. I don’t care what side of the aisle they are on. Keep your damn hands to yourself. The Left may indeed be playing some game with a false meme, I wouldn’t be surprised. But trust me when I say, I’m not playing their game. It’s obvious to anyone with an that can still be objective that the majority of the rioters, looters, and agitators are somewhere on the left spectrum. But not all of them. And it’s OK to point that out. Also, pointing it out does not mean that one has succumbed to whatever dumb meme strategy the Dems may have going.

    Dana (292df6)

  87. LOL. The media is worried about Hatch Act violations now? They yawned when Obama appointees did it. They should yawn now.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  88. One thing that bothers me greatly about a potential Biden win and Dem takeover of the Senate is that the new Congress and President Biden will be very generous with funds to rebuild the cities that were burned down, even though the local Democrat mayors and governors refused to lift a finger to stop the mayhem. I would guess that President Trump and a GOP Senate would tell those cities and mayors to go pound sand, as they should.

    I wouldn’t even rebuild any federal buildings that were destroyed. I would simply move those agencies and all the jobs associated with them to a new city if local authorities didn’t come up with the money. Put the federal courthouse in Gresham instead of Portland, for example.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  89. I would guess that President Trump and a GOP Senate would tell those cities and mayors to go pound sand, as they should.

    That’s a very Trump-y indeed.

    Collective punishment of the innocent is an unserious position.

    Dave (1bb933)

  90. And it’s OK to point that out. Also, pointing it out does not mean that one has succumbed to whatever dumb meme strategy the Dems may have going.“
    _ _

    I’m not saying it’s not OK to point it out.

    I’m saying that breaking it down to the worthless meme of ‘idiots to the right, idiots to the left’ perpetuates the exact meme the Left in politics and media want to persist when almost all the carnage is being perpetrated by one side, which as far as I can see was not mentioned in your original post.

    Also (as noted above) you failed to note or update the fact the MD on CNN excusing the protests was a Democratic politician.
    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  91. Collective punishment of the innocent is an unserious position.

    Elections have consequences, Dave, or so a brilliant man once told us. If you voted to elect Ted Wheeler or Jacob Frey or Jenny Durkin, don’t coming running to Washington DC and demand that Uncle Sucker make your city whole after the city-enabled mobs burn it to the ground.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  92. At the very least, federal money to rebuild those cities should come in the form of a loan with very strict repayment schedules. But I would oppose that on principle, because down the road some Democrat Congress and President could simply undo it with the stroke of a pen.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  93. @98. One thing that bothers me greatly about a potential Biden win and Dem takeover of the Senate is that he will be dead within 18 months of taking office.

    “He’s not up to the challenge.” – Prof. Henry Jones [Sean Connery] ‘Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade’ 1989

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  94. If you voted to elect Ted Wheeler or Jacob Frey or Jenny Durkin, don’t coming running to Washington DC and demand that Uncle Sucker make your city whole after the city-enabled mobs burn it to the ground.

    Were they elected unanimously?

    Should we deny respirators, vaccine and testing kits to states that voted/will vote for Trump?

    After all, “elections have consequences.”

    Like I said, it’s an unserious position.

    Dave (1bb933)

  95. 99.I would guess that President Trump and a GOP Senate would tell those cities and mayors to go pound sand, as they should.

    Ford told New York to ‘drop dead’ too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. LOL
    BuDuh (776371) — 8/29/2020 @ 2:14 pm

    That was for you, BuDuh. A person who makes factually questionable assertions could get um’d.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  97. You are absolutely correct that Trump would whole-heartedly approve of your proposal.

    That should be a red flag that you probably need to rethink it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  98. Put the federal courthouse in Gresham instead of Portland, for example.

    Make it Bend and I’m right there with you., JVW. The whole corridor from Portland to Eugene is pretty liberal, so why not have it at a place where you can work in a little skiing or golf between conducting government business.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  99. Tell me then, Dave, who is responsible for rebuilding Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle, etc? Does it fall on Washington, DC to take care of it? As I see it, the cities bear the primary responsibility, the states have secondary responsibility, and Washington DC should just be sitting back watching it all unfold. Would you just send in federal aid, no questions asked, no strings attached?

    If you are resident of Portland, being hit with a property tax increase because of this is fitting, even if you didn’t vote for Wheeler. And if you are a resident of Corvallis and the state of Oregon decides to send your tax dollars to rebuild Portland then whether or not you voted for Kate Brown for governor or your local Democrat legislator, you can think over the consequences of having them run the state.

    It’s akin to driving drunk and smashing up your car while driving at 100mph on a darkened country road, then somehow expecting your insurance company to buy you a new car.

    And I stand by the idea that if a city cannot or will not protect federal buildings, those offices should be sent to another community.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  100. You are absolutely correct that Trump would whole-heartedly approve of your proposal.

    That should be a red flag that you probably need to rethink it.

    This argument is unworthy of you, so I’ll just pretend you didn’t make it. I get that you like to be provocative — I do too — but this is weak sauce indeed.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  101. You are absolutely correct that Trump would whole-heartedly approve of your proposal.

    We already know that Trump wanted to deny help to victims of wildfires because their governor said unflattering things about him.

    He didn’t want a national response to Covid-19 when he thought it was just in a couple of states he didn’t win, and he thought it was good politics to see a bunch of deaths that Democrat governors would be blamed for. Granted, that neat idea may have started with Jared, but it perfectly suited the value system of Donald J. Trump, with begins and ends with “How does it help me?”

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  102. I’m not saying it’s not OK to point it out.

    I’m saying that breaking it down to the worthless meme of ‘idiots to the right, idiots to the left’ perpetuates the exact meme the Left in politics and media want to persist when almost all the carnage is being perpetrated by one side, which as far as I can see was not mentioned in your original post.

    Also (as noted above) you failed to note or update the fact the MD on CNN excusing the protests was a Democratic politician.
    _

    harkin (cd4502) — 8/29/2020 @ 2:56 pm

    Oh, okay, so I have apparently used a “worthless meme” to describe a video clip of violence, I have neglected to point out the obvious (which is that the left is perpetuating the majority of violence at the riots because apparently none of us are already aware of that), and, because I didn’t update a post in the way that you think I should have, I have…failed. Damn, I should just call it quits and go crawl underneath the covers!

    1) What you refer to as a “worthless meme” is simply a point being made via sarcasm. It makes no judgment on the players involved, simply that there are bad people on both sides. I am not making a determination of which side has more bad players, or which side is perpetuating the riots and violence because that is pretty obvious. Also, in this particular video clip, it’s pretty clear to see who lost their self-control and assaulted another person. And harkin, I really don’t care what the Democrats are doing with regard to memes. Why should I? They have no control or influence over me. If my dumb little wordplay happens to dovetail with their latest game-playing, so what?

    2) I “failed” to update the post because as soon as the doctor’s double-standard hypocrisy was made known, we knew which side of the aisle he was on. I shouldn’t have to point out the obvious.

    Dana (292df6)

  103. A journalist took photos of the devastation wrought in Kenosha, and remarks that, amidst the rubble, “the locals dazed, shocked and trying to be brave.” This is just heartbreaking.

    Dana (292df6)

  104. @97-
    From the article:

    The Obama administration was not immune from violating the law, although fewer appointees were accused of violating it.

    Then-Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius apologized in 2012 for partisan remarks she made to a gay rights group in North Carolina in which she promoted President Obama’s reelection. Julián Castro, then-secretary of housing and urban development, endorsed Hillary Clinton for president in 2016 in an interview in his official capacity. Both were explicit violations, and both officials were reprimanded. The White House barred the Cabinet from speaking at the Democratic National Convention to avoid similar mishaps.

    “It was clearly something the president took seriously,” Sebelius said in an interview. She was told to write a check to the treasury to reimburse the government for her expenses, she said. The White House then notified the Office of Special Counsel, which investigated.

    “Do I like that it happened? No,” she said. “Do I understand it? Yes.”

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  105. It has been a pattern ever since the cdc got involved in non critical matters like obesity and gun control under satcher was and then there a repetition with that statement about ‘racism being worse than a virus’ that fauci was decidely indifferent yo. The shutdown but the country in chokehold the riots bleed out whatever is left, cuomo murphy et al seem to be practicing eskimo triage or is it spartan

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  106. “Federal money” will make cities whole? Federal money? From the Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia? That “federal money”?

    The “federal money” comes from states and cities that pay into the federal Treasury, and those are the same cities and states that will be speculatively asking for it.

    nk (1d9030)

  107. Arkansas sheriff resigns over racist rant in leaked recording
    …….
    Sheriff Todd Wright of Arkansas County, about 85 miles southeast of Little Rock, resigned effective immediately on Friday during a public meeting on the incident at the county’s Quorum Court, which is its governing legislative body.

    ……..[T]he Pine Bluff Commercial identified Wright as the man heard in a five-minute audio recording delivering a racist rant.

    According (to the newspaper), Wright is heard on the recording, which has been widely shared on social media, becoming upset that a woman he was with spoke to a Black person in a store.

    Throughout the recording, the woman refers to the man as “Todd.” The man in the recording uses a racial slur against Black people about nine times.

    Wright apologized at the court meeting for any offense his recorded remarks may have caused and said that he made those comments in the heat of the moment when he was “upset over certain things.”

    He also insisted he was not racist.
    ………
    I like be these non-apology apologies when their caught. I guess one of the “certain things” he was upset over was his lady friend talking to someone who was black.

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  108. So gender reporter schusterman who comes from the russian oligarch owned independent, decided to find another way to scare us again like amanda ‘human sacrifice’ mull, over at the pile of skulls that is gotham.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  109. Mr. President Donald Trump,
    He break your leg,
    And sell you the crutch.

    nk (1d9030)

  110. Cheers
    JVW

    mg (8cbc69)

  111. “The “federal money” comes from states and cities that pay into the federal Treasury, and those are the same cities and states that will be speculatively asking for it.”

    Federal money belongs to Mr. President Trump, to be distributed to those who show him proper respect.

    Davethulhu (e4515d)

  112. He pick your pocket,
    And lend you your money,
    You just gotta call him “honey”.

    nk (1d9030)

  113. A journalist took photos of the devastation wrought in Kenosha, and remarks that, amidst the rubble, “the locals dazed, shocked and trying to be brave.” This is just heartbreaking.

    I scrolled down his Twitter. He’s not a journalist. He’s a Trump propagandist.

    nk (1d9030)

  114. these elected misfits in these cities are making bail for looters and – i’m supposed to pay for the damage?
    plenty of sand on the cape for you bidenettes to pound

    mg (8cbc69)

  115. But enough about fauci.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  116. these elected misfits in these cities are making bail for looters and – i’m supposed to pay for the damage?
    plenty of sand on the cape for you bidenettes to pound

    I doubt very much that you will pay for any of the damage, mg. The money will come from taxpayers.

    nk (1d9030)

  117. Tell me then, Dave, who is responsible for rebuilding Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle, etc? Does it fall on Washington, DC to take care of it? As I see it, the cities bear the primary responsibility, the states have secondary responsibility, and Washington DC should just be sitting back watching it all unfold. Would you just send in federal aid, no questions asked, no strings attached?

    First, I suspect the sums involved are small compared to, say, the cleanup of a hurricane or other weather event. Portland is not Beirut.

    Second, I don’t think a large fraction of the expense will be borne by the federal government. Some federal facilities may need to be repaired.

    Third, the destructive rioters are a tiny fraction of the population, and – again – collective punishment is a tactic of the Gestapo and the Cheka, not a democratic country.

    Fourth, we give aid to rich jerk-offs who build their mansions in the path of hurricanes, next to tinderbox forests and on earthquake faults.

    If you are resident of Portland, being hit with a property tax increase because of this is fitting, even if you didn’t vote for Wheeler. And if you are a resident of Corvallis and the state of Oregon decides to send your tax dollars to rebuild Portland then whether or not you voted for Kate Brown for governor or your local Democrat legislator, you can think over the consequences of having them run the state.

    It’s akin to driving drunk and smashing up your car while driving at 100mph on a darkened country road, then somehow expecting your insurance company to buy you a new car.

    You’re still talking about collective punishment of Americans, the vast majority of whom have done nothing unlawful or wrong.

    You just want to hurt people you don’t like. Get even. Teach them a lesson through suffering, nevermind that many have already suffered through no fault of their own.

    And I stand by the idea that if a city cannot or will not protect federal buildings, those offices should be sent to another community.

    Punishing the innocent victims again.

    Dave (1bb933)

  118. Tell me this has any degree of fairness or logic

    https://mobile.twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1299360864487825408

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  119. Policy by anecdote yields
    uneven results https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1299870463926185984

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  120. Amen, Rep Deberry!

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  121. Nothing to see here. Just more attempted espionage from China.

    A while back I was doing some work for a TLA. The subject of Chinese espionage came up and we asked “Are you saying not to hire someone with Chinese roots?” “Oh, no”, they said. “That would be wrong.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  122. Obama appears to have won the Obama care fight.

    Trump ended the worst abuses under the ACA, that were instrumental in driving up the premiums for the actual self-employed. No longer can you claim, without proof, that you make the magic salary that gets you nearly-free insurance AND near-zero co-pays. Except in CA, which is continuing the old programs and putting a surcharge on those that don’t get subsidies. This fuels a death spiral, of course.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  123. The police unions should pay for the damage that was a consequence of the actions or inactions of their members. Collectively. And every one in ten of police union members should be sent to prison for the maximum term of the most serious crime their members committed or allowed to be committed. Life for murder, I suppose.

    nk (1d9030)

  124. California is like the phantom zone, no police have put up with all the crap thats left from failling schools absent families, toxic media, you want them with lout protection, youve been garglinh with ouzo.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  125. Biden will appoint crackpot judges, and “real conservatives” who helped him will spend decades bemoaning why his judges continually block conservative efforts. What chumps.

    beer ‘n pretzels (c7deaa)

  126. So wha’ hoppen to the NBA boycott? There are lanky young men in satin shorts jumping around with a ball right now in some place that looks like it’s in America.

    nk (1d9030)

  127. They looked at their bank accounte
    S

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  128. President Donald J. Trump is going to Kenosha, Wisconsin next Tuesday.

    Plagiarist JoeyBee is going upstairs.
    To use the bathroom.
    By committee decree.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  129. I will be the first to concede that the LAPD is as good as the Havana police department and probably speaks better English too, narciso.

    nk (1d9030)

  130. President Donald J. Trump is going to Kenosha, Wisconsin next Tuesday.

    He landslided Hillary by 255 votes (final count) there in 2016.

    nk (1d9030)

  131. “What we’re working on is how I get out.” — Joe Biden 8/28/20

    “It Takes A Committee” by Joe Biden.

    Foreward by Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    In bookstores for Halloween. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  132. 44.The problem, beer, is that the toothpick of Biden’s plagiarism pales before the redwood forest of Trump’s lies since 1/20/2017.

    No.

    It doesn’t.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  133. While I agree with this distinction under normal conditions, the weather, as I read, was 93° in the daytime, and a low at night was 74° (you can any number of women who attended the event wearing sleeveless above-the-knee summer dresses). The humidity was high (est. 85%). No winds were recorded. Thus, it was a perfect petri dish soup.

    I hear you. Mine was a general comment meant as a PSA, not a defense or rationalization of anyone’s protest-related choices, and certainly not of some talking head being way more talking than head.

    john (cd2753)

  134. “He relished the fact that no one could do anything to stop him” from breaking the law.

    And this is two months *before* the election. Imagine how he’ll feel if he wins.

    Focusing on policy differences misses the critical fact that one of the candidates doesn’t think laws matter.

    Steve Vladek

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  135. John Bresnahan
    @BresPolitico

    How is there a college football game going on? Come on. Irresponsible to play it or broadcast it
    __ _

    John Bresnahan
    @BresPolitico
    ·
    /2 Come on @espn, what are you doing here? This is just wrong
    __ _

    Chris Parnell
    @tribester93
    ·
    I know it’s scary John, but some people have actually left their house since March
    __ _

    MsLamanda
    @MsLamanda
    ·
    I missed all your posts condemning each and every packed protest.

    Pretty new here, only saw this post about active healthy kids getting exercise & developing skills under supervision with safety guidelines in place.
    __ _

    DC
    @whatzcooken
    ·
    But the rally in DC yesterday was totally cool right?
    __ _

    cprv
    @ceepeerrrvvveee
    ·
    Looting is cool. College football is evil.

    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  136. Anti-masker in Alaska gets kicked out of Walmart & has a public meltdown

    https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1299874056318210050

    Someone should have punched him, I guess, since that’s what we’re doing with rude people now.

    Davethulhu (59e2b2)

  137. “ An analysis of deaths in Palm Beach County medical records late last month revealed that “most” of the county’s Covid-19 deaths cannot be attributed to Covid-19 alone.

    Many of the deaths “involved comorbidity like diabetes, cardiovascular diseases, dementia, and more,” according to an I-Team investigation by CBS 12.

    The investigation spanned 658 of the county’s “Covid deaths”. Investigators found that of the 658 cases, just 86 listed “Covid-19 pneumonia” without contributing causes as the reason for death. 3 were listed as “COVID-19 respiratory infection” without contributing causes………

    ……… The average age of deaths in Palm Beach was 77.3 years old.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/most-covid-19-deaths-palm-beach-county-cant-be-attributed-coronavirus-alone-medical-records
    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  138. “ Someone should have punched him, I guess, since that’s what we’re doing with rude people now.“
    __

    You’re way behind, they are looting and burning rude buildings.
    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  139. Lurker, you post inflammatory garbage from worthless idiots. I linked the entire Dreher piece earlier and your snippet is pure junk. Just like your earlier link that Dana posted.

    Try going to the sources. It will free you.

    BuDuh (cc43c1)

  140. “……… The average age of deaths in Palm Beach was 77.3 years old.””

    The average age of palm beach residents is 69.3 years old.

    Davethulhu (59e2b2)

  141. I would have punched the androgyne in the second post, the one screaming in that man’s face, if my wife was not with me and I didn’t have to worry about her getting mobbed along with me. Maybe by preceding it with “Go home and grow some tits!” That man probably would have too, if his wife hadn’t been with him.

    I’m saying this from the comfort and safety of my couch, just so you know I really mean it.

    nk (1d9030)

  142. 151.

    Lurker, you post inflammatory garbage from worthless idiots. I linked the entire Dreher piece earlier and your snippet is pure junk. Just like your earlier link that Dana posted.

    Try going to the sources. It will free you.
    BuDuh (cc43c1) — 8/29/2020 @ 8:20 pm

    1. I read it. I also linked it. (It was linked from the tweet I quoted.)

    2. If I cared what you think is inflammatory garbage from worthless idiots I’d buy a MAGA hat, make a noose out of it, fly to Nashville, and hang myself from the statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  143. So many lies, against general flynn, even when the evidence is crystal, others here called rittenhouse a white supremacist even though hes just a teenager trying to deal in a impossible situation forced upon by unethical state and municipal leaders.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  144. Steve Vladek. Worthless idiot, BuDuh?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  145. “others here called rittenhouse a white supremacist ”

    Who?

    “hes just a teenager trying to deal in a impossible situation forced upon by unethical state and municipal leaders”

    He drove from a different state explicitly looking for trouble.

    Davethulhu (59e2b2)

  146. What was so edifying about Dreher’s piece? It was about two characters behaving poorly.
    I read his PS, but it still looked to me like Metaxas had to reach over to sucker-punch the kid.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  147. I revealed Vladek’s flaws many threads ago.

    BuDuh (eaea5f)

  148. Does that mean “yes, he’s a worthless idiot,” or “no, he’s not a worthless idiot”?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  149. In this instance I am unsure since your links don’t work, lurker.

    BuDuh (ad278a)

  150. I read his PS, but it still looked to me like Metaxas had to reach over to sucker-punch the kid.

    According to Andy Ngo, in the same Dreher piece:

    This man wearing a “Portland” shirt was detained by DC police last night for alleged violent behavior after RNC. He looks a lot like Anthony P. Harrington, who was convicted in Portland for being a felon in possession of gun & robbing someone at gunpoint.
    and
    Update: Confirmed to be Anthony Paul Harrington, of Portland. He has a long criminal history in Oregon and appears to have traveled to Washington D.C. to participate in the anti-police protests there. #PortlandRiots #DCRiots

    If so, not a “kid” but a cockroach who should stay under his rock.

    nk (1d9030)

  151. It was just a link back to the inflammatory garbage (your words) I posted from Vladek in the first place. Here, it should work this time

    But if you already dd an exposé on his flaws, why should another tweet more or less matter? Don’t you already know whether or not he’s a worthless idiot?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  152. You’re welcome.

    nk (1d9030)

  153. Daddy M
    @R3volutionDaddy
    · We also demand that you – with your extreme wealth, nepotistic career history, and family legacy that highlight you as a true embodiment of white supremacy – resign from your position as the Police Commisioner and Mayor of Portland.

    Sincerely,

    The People of Portland

    https://twitter.com/R3volutionDaddy/status/1299535017173950465?s=20

    __ _

    wretchardthecat
    @wretchardthecat
    ·
    Because the Democratic party “Big Tent” was an alliance between the extreme elite (Wall Street, Ivy League, Hollywood, machine politicians) and a class of welfare slaves there was always an immense amount of hypocrisy built into the arrangement.
    __

    wretchardthecat
    @wretchardthecat
    ·
    The progressive elites papered it over by sounding compassionate to disguise the sheer absurdity of the arrangement. The greater the gap yawned inside the Big Tent the more over the top the social justice posturing became.
    __

    wretchardthecat
    @wretchardthecat
    ·
    That Woke lingo is the white progressive elite’s attempt to sound “with it” as a way of concealing the fact they’ve been ripping off the welfare slaves for generations. The more the tent poles wobble appears the more extreme the Woke screech will become.
    __ _

    wretchardthecat
    @wretchardthecat

    The demands on Wheeler hurt because they hit the spot.
    __ _

    RAB_VA
    @RABurgun1
    ·
    Appeasement never goes well.

    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  154. Thanks, nk, that works too. (So did my second attempt)

    As long as we’re shmoozing, I hope you agree that even cockroaches have a right not to be sucker punched. Because once we start judging the permissibility of sucker punching by the virtues of the punchee, we’re in for a wild race to the bottom. Nazis, cockroaches, proud boys, antifa… there’s no end of them to punch.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  155. I’m biased because Metaxas has the same last name as Ioannis Metaxas, the Greek prime minister who told Mussolini to go suck a cannoli and then cleaned his clock on the Albanian frontier. 😉

    nk (1d9030)

  156. All that waiting for an anonymous Trump bashing?

    Worthless, lurker.

    Goodnight.

    BuDuh (b7e468)

  157. BTW, thank you nk. I was unable to get all three of lurker’s links to work.

    BuDuh (b7e468)

  158. Thing is, I see it as closer to this John Wayne scene from Tall In The Saddle, than I do to a sucker punch. The link leaves out the denouement, which is the best part:

    Lady: I saw you hit that poor man!

    Wayne: Yes, ma’am, just as hard as I could.
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0037343/characters/nm0000078

    The “kid” should have expected trouble would find him when he went out looking for it.

    nk (1d9030)

  159. Yeah, I still think “deserves to be punched” is a roadmap for a race to the bottom. Obnoxious speech entitles me to answer in kind, not escalate to violence. I mean, take that Walmart video. My first reaction was I was tempted to think there’d be something satisfying about watching the employees kick the crap out of the a-hole that screamed in their faces. But that’s the difference between a John Wayne movie and real life. In reality it would be ugly and I’d like to think we’d know right away that it’s wrong.

    I believe one of the prices of civilization is that sometimes there simply isn’t any satisfaction to be had from an a-hole without being a bigger a-hole. And I’m unaware that Matthew 7:12 has a “bigger a-hole” exception.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  160. 170.

    All that waiting for an anonymous Trump bashing?

    Worthless, lurker.

    Goodnight.

    First, how can you be surprised that the tweet you complained about is the tweet you complained about? Never mind. I don’t want to confuse you, and frankly I really don’t care. More to the point, does “Worthless, lurker” mean Vladek is worthless, I’m worthless, or what Vladek tweeted is worthless?

    Look, you said I post “inflammatory garbage from worthless idiots.” Those are your words. I wouldn’t think it would be so difficult for you to say straight out whether the person from whom I posted what I take it you consider inflammatory garbage is or is not a worthless idiot.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  161. Latest score kenosha 2 portland 1.

    shoot back (880261)

  162. @176. That’s not funny.

    This is:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQZarDGRH1Q

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  163. The killing of anybody, whatever their politics, is nothing but horrific. Anyone who thinks it’s funny isn’t fit for decent society. That said, I await a more reliable account than from someone banned from this very site.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  164. BuDuh, is someone who gets banned for serially misrepresenting a blog proprietor’s posts a “worthless idiot?”

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  165. lurker is coming after the hall monitors job

    mg (8cbc69)

  166. why has no sideline reporter interviewed one of the rioters? are they afraid of what they might say? or are the media companies paying them to riot?

    mg (8cbc69)

  167. 180.

    No, not interested. I had an unrequited infatuation with a hall monitor once. Painful memories.

    Out of curiosity, when did trying to get a straight answer become part of the job description?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  168. @182. mg:

    “Wait a minute… there might be legal precedent. Of course! Land-snatching! Land, land… ‘Land: see Snatch.’ Ah, Haley vs. United States. Haley: 7, United States: nothing. ” – Hedley Lamarr [Harvey Korman] ‘Blazing Saddles’ 1974

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  169. One of the commenters on Dreher’s piece (which he then quotes) wrote:

    I’ve never posted before but feel I must because I witnessed this event, although I did not realize the person involved was Eric Metaxas. I was a few yards behind, walking down the same street right after leaving the White House. It appeared to me that the bicycle rider deliberately rode very fast directly at someone (Metaxas) who reacted to him defensively and resulted in him falling off his bike. It seemed like a deliberate provocation. It was an incredibly tense situation on that street with random people screaming obscenities at us — one person yelled at me that he wanted me to be guillotined. I can’t imagine not reacting instinctively; it was a very threatening and unpredictable situation.

    Dreher then adds;

    Yeah, you know, I overthought this. I don’t care that Eric threw a punch at that guy. He had it coming.

    If the eyewitness is accurate, I agree with Dreher. If someone rides speedily towards me, my wife and an acquaintance, looking like they are going to run one of us over, then punching him is fully justified.

    A biblical quote comes to mind:

    Hosea 8:7: “they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind”

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  170. lurker, the account that Bored Lawyer just quoted above is what I have been operating on, too. Furthermore, I am neither saying “he deserved to be punched” nor “he had it coming”. I am saying “it was not a sucker punch”. A “sucker punch” means he was hit unawares while minding his own business. He was not minding his own business, he was asking for trouble, and he had no right to be unawares.

    nk (1d9030)

  171. Riots get people hurt and sometimes killed.

    “It is what it is.” — President Donald J. Trump

    nk (1d9030)

  172. He was a really good actor.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  173. The fact that he bore through for at least three films, but you can see his demeanor through them, like was carrying a great weight.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  174. Kyle Rittenhouse is alive and well, and mg is paying for his room and board, and all the facts will come out at his trial.

    nk (1d9030)

  175. Jacob blake shouldnt have been on the street, thats the fault of kaul and the walker evers.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  176. I haven’t seen Vladeck’s arguments get “demolished”. Maybe in some person’s mind.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  177. The Kenosha police union’s story sounds even phonier than the “he was only there to break up a fight between two women” race hustler one. To be expected. Low-quality cops from top to bottom, incompetence all the way and in every way.

    nk (1d9030)

  178. Well the fact they cant get with one head shot, thats distressing, they need to go back to the range.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  179. Poor trayvon, the gentle giant, the sad drug dealer, ‘ive gotten confortable numb over it’

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  180. Yes vladek suffers from epistemic closure.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  181. If someone rides speedily towards me, my wife and an acquaintance, looking like they are going to run one of us over, then punching him is fully justified.

    If that were true, I would’ve pushed him out of the way from the front, not sucker-punched him as he was riding past. I agree with nk that the kid is a “cockroach” and deserved the John Wayne treatment, but it was a pu$$y thing that Metaxas did because it unfortunately put the cockroach on the moral high ground.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  182. When one looks at what sanders organizers promised in iowa and south carolina and what has come to pass.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  183. We’re supposed not to remember those details, the press did much to bury that real news, back then.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  184. If that were true, I would’ve pushed him out of the way from the front, not sucker-punched him as he was riding past.

    That’s easy for you to say in the comfort of your arm-chair after the fact. In the moment, he may not have even realized what was happening until it was too late to do what you suggest. Sorry, under these circumstances, I refuse to criticize someone who was provoked that much.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  185. that mob don’t care who they kill or maim, like paul’s neighbor two years ago, they know in dc and ny and so many other places they are untouchable, you want paramilitaries, that’s how you get them, in south america and other places,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  186. To change the subject to something consequential, I finally found a canned tuna recipe that I look forward to eating again.
    — A plate of fluffy white rice, lightly sprinkled with salt on the plate
    — A can of white albacore tuna, drained but the patty left whole
    — Plop the whole patty on top of the rice
    — Douse the patty generously with Contadina squeeze pizza sauce (innocuous stuff, basically pizza-flavored ketchup)
    — Shake half a dozen or so, say eight, drops of Tapatio hot sauce on the pizza sauce
    Eat with a fork, a bit from here, a bit from there, stir, mix, sop, mix and match.

    nk (1d9030)

  187. @207

    Sounds like gourmet food meets Edith Bunker.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  188. Here’s another Trump win. White dude in a Patriot Prayer cap gunned down in cold blood. More winning!

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  189. Canned light tuna packs up to 268 IU of vitamin D in a 3.5-ounce (100-gram) serving, which is 34% of the DV.

    It’s also a good source of niacin and vitamin K (15Trusted Source).

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/9-foods-high-in-vitamin-d#5

    nk (1d9030)

  190. I apologize to Vladek, lurker, and Paul. I didn’t know how personal they would take my comments. Hopefully anonymously sourced criticism of Trump will be able to continue unabated in the comment section.

    BuDuh (db3d12)

  191. I apologize to Vladek, lurker, and Paul. I didn’t know how personal they would take my comments.

    Non-apology not accepted. Some day I hope you’ll understand the difference between personal attacks and political disagreements, but I’m becoming increasingly pessimistic. To be clear, yes, that was personal. What wasn’t personal is our differing viewpoints on a Texas lawyer-professor.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  192. Hopefully anonymously sourced criticism of Trump will be able to continue unabated in the comment section.

    Trump staggers because he either wears elevator shoes to make him look taller or he has a brain like a Swiss cheese from mini strokes. One is as likely as the other. The first because he is a vainglorious poseur and the second because he is old, obese, and has a family history of brain ailments.

    nk (1d9030)

  193. We also differ on celebrating needless violence and cold blooded murder.

    BuDuh (40e985)

  194. Here’s another Trump win.

    No, it’s a loss for the whole country. The Democrats in many (but, as I noted before, not all) locations have decided to implement the David Dinkins theory of government, which is “let them riot.” They are the ones ultimately responsible.

    If my neighbor raises a vicious pitbull, and then let’s him off his chain to run around and terrorize the neighborhood, I don’t blame the poor, tortured canine. I blame the neighbor.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  195. We also differ on celebrating needless violence and cold blooded murder.

    Who’s “celebrating”?

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  196. Will this traffic stop make it to the front page:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MbHahaMoWz8

    Probably not since it shows what happens most of the time.

    BuDuh (40e985)

  197. No, it’s a loss for the whole country.

    It’s a win for Trump because, IMO, he clearly made the calculation that violence on the streets helps him politically. Rand Paul getting screamed at by obnoxious douchebags helps Trump. The damage and destruction in Kenosha and other cities helps Trump.
    And yes, it is all a loss for the whole country. The “protesters” are engaged in the violence and destruction are playing right into it.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  198. Sorry Paul. I again profusely apologize. I mistook your calling out the death of a Trump supporter as a celebratory event for Trump to be a celebratory event for yourself. I read your description of the event too quickly. After watching the video you provided several times to see if I could figure out what you were talking about the best I can come up with is that though you don’t celebrate the death you do see it as a prop for an agenda.

    To each their own.

    Andy Ngô
    @MrAndyNgo
    ·
    8h
    “I am not sad that a f—ing fascist died tonight,” says a woman at the antifa gathering in downtown Portland. The crowd laughs and cheers. The ID of the deceased is not confirmed but he is believed to be a Trump & blue lives supporter. #PortlandRiots

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299956667287703553

    Is this both a win for Antifa and a win for Trump, Paul? I don’t have enough pessimism to answer this on my own.

    BuDuh (40e985)

  199. they want to destroy, they know the authorities will either look the other way, or actively aid them,

    https://tinyurl.com/y4r8wxav

    we know who is organizing planning and training this black mail scheme

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  200. It’s a win for Trump because, IMO, he clearly made the calculation that violence on the streets helps him politically.

    It’s a win for Trump like every Covid death is a win for Trump critics.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7cacd0)

  201. this is alinsky’s classic overwhelming the system, and rubbing raw the sources of discontent, and a whole host of other bonmots from the worshiper of the ‘first rebel’

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  202. It’s a win for Trump because, IMO, he clearly made the calculation that violence on the streets helps him politically.

    What do you mean by a “calculation?” He is clearly pointing out that there is an element in U.S. government that is encouraging, or at least tolerating, chaos, for its political benefit. That is legitimate, IMO.

    Are you saying he is stoking or ignoring the chaos? Because that I don’t see at all. He has repeatedly offered help to the local and state govts., and for the most part has been turned down, rather rudely, too. (IIRC, Chicago was a notable exception.)

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  203. I assume as a manner of course, they are lying in whole or in part about their latest prop, and more often than not, I’m proven right, if they have deened a target like general flynn or even a rank idiot like roger stone, we know they went to great lengths to go after them,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  204. Sorry Paul. I again profusely apologize.

    Accepted.
    The sentiments the woman expressed in your link were inhumane and evil because the intolerant illiberals have foreclosed on the concept of redemption and reconciliation. To her, they’re the “enemy”, so they should just die. She’s part of the problem, not the solution.
    However, those sentiments don’t come from just one side of the aisle, not when we have a president who declared a broad swath of the media dissenting from his narratives as “The Enemy of the People”. IMO, the word “enemy” is being abused because we’re not enemies, we’re fellow Americans with differing–oft times wildly differing–points of view. I’ll reserve that term to those folks who (1) seek the overthrow of the United States, (2) aid and abet hostile foreign powers, (3) engage in or endorse terrorism, foreign or domestic. You’re not my enemy.
    Lastly, I don’t believe I’m saying anything differently from Dana when she mentioned “angry youth using unorthodox tactics to campaign for Trump”. Who knows how many votes switched over to Trump when that black thug gunned down the white kid in the Patriot Prayer cap. This is both a criticism of the “protesters” committing violence and damage and destruction, and also of Trump for exploiting it for his own political purposes, but I blame the “protesters” more because they’re sh*tting all over the worthy cause of police reform and ridding the culture of racism. When I’m saying “Trump wins”, it’s a criticism of their stupid, counterproductive tactics.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  205. that is the message,

    https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/watch-now-kenosha-speaker-strays-from-message-at-rally/article_a91e142b-46bf-5702-bb45-42b2015ce4b6.html

    ‘some people want to see the world burn’ that was a epigraph from a film, at the peak of the last wave of astroturfed protests, the fact the democrats who are often so vocal about garbage have been silent about that,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  206. What do you mean by a “calculation?” He is clearly pointing out that there is an element in U.S. government that is encouraging, or at least tolerating, chaos, for its political benefit. That is legitimate, IMO.
    Are you saying he is stoking or ignoring the chaos?

    Trump is a politician, so everything he says or does is politically tinged with an eye towards getting reelected (like any other president running for reelection) and, IMO, he is exploiting this violence because it’ll help further his ambitions. The problem isn’t his criticism of the violence, it’s his near total focus on “law-and-order” and corresponding lack of acknowledging and addressing the issues that started these protests in the first place.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  207. Since the j 20 rioters were not presecuted or they dropped the case for reasons, this was inevitable, every resource in the world can be employed against carter page, but real threats to lives and property forget about it,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  208. The sentiments the woman expressed in your link were inhumane and evil… To her, they’re the “enemy”, so they should just die….
    …However, those sentiments don’t come from just one side of the aisle,

    This angle again? I don’t have the time to put it into a Mad Libs so I will place the formula here for you to play with it:

    [original]
    For every lie Trump is found to have uttered, there seems a desperate urge by his supporters to scramble and find a lie told by Biden.

    [Mad Libs]
    For every ________ is found to have ________, there seems a desperate urge by ____ supporters to scramble and find a/an _______ by ________.

    Mad Libs indeed, but I am certain you will find some Mad Conservatives that make your “both sides do it” argument less ridiculous than it sounds.

    BuDuh (40e985)

  209. you forgot about the j 20, and creamer and foval, well I haven’t oddly,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  210. The problem isn’t his criticism of the violence, it’s his near total focus on “law-and-order” and corresponding lack of acknowledging and addressing the issues that started these protests in the first place.

    I’d be fine with law and order if he did competently, instead of like a schoolboy in his first schoolyard fight closing his eyes, tucking in his head, and flailing wildly.

    nk (1d9030)

  211. Basically, his riot response is like his Covid-19 response. Talk, talk, talk, spin, spin, spin, half-assed when it comes to action.

    nk (1d9030)

  212. he gets checkmated at every opportunity, by time servers that do nothing like general milley, and esper, they send the signal of surrender, this is what a self serving security establishment does,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  213. It’s a win for Trump like every Covid death is a win for Trump critics.

    One of the things that Trump critics dislike most about him is his self-centered lack of human empathy.

    Apparently he first thought Covid deaths would be a win for him because they started out in states that he didn’t win and that have Democratic governors. So the original strategy was: no national containment policy, and blame the Dems.

    Trump defenders now are much more likely to say the (escalating) number of Covid deaths is acceptable than Trump critics are. Granted, there’s some partisanship in the response, but Trump critics aren’t all callously celebrating those deaths, because Trump critics aren’t as cold-hearted as Trump.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  214. Crap! He’s a half-smart con man, good for the short con, but not the long con. The only thing he has the stamina for is bragging about himself. Covid-19? The riots? He is like this across the board in everything. He didn’t even get to first base with Kim Jong Un.

    nk (1d9030)

  215. My 236 was to 234.

    nk (1d9030)

  216. Here’s some Greek island bagpipe music for you, Redegunda, the way bagpipe music was meant to be played. The name of the song is “Oh, Devil’s Daughter!”

    nk (1d9030)

  217. “Are you saying he is stoking or ignoring the chaos? ”

    He was clearly stoking further unrest when he sent the feds to Portland.

    Davethulhu (59e2b2)

  218. Thanks, nk. I have an old CD called “A Celebration of Pipes in Europe” — from Greece, Estonia, Galicia, Brittany, etc. Just dug it out to put on.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  219. That was the island droneless tsabouna. This is the Northern droned gaida, more like the Celtic bagpipes.

    nk (1d9030)

  220. We cross-posted, Radegunda. You were already ahead of me.

    nk (1d9030)

  221. He was clearly stoking further unrest when he sent the feds to Portland.

    I’m not sure you know the difference between Portland OR and Portland ME.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7cacd0)

  222. He was clearly stoking further unrest when he sent the feds to Portland.

    No, he was clearly doing his Constitutional duty to protect federal property, including the federal district court that sits in Portland. Calling this “stoking” is outrageous.

    As I posted before, Article III courts are an important part of our government, including protecting civil rights. The notion that a mob can attack a federal court, the local authorities wink and nod, and the president should sit back and do nothing, is so completely ridiculous, that frankly I doubt you argued it in good faith.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  223. nk, here’s how the Great Highland pipes were meant to be played: in Ceòl mór (“big music”), or piobaireachd (literally “piping), or pibroch to make it easy. The marches and reels and stratshpeys are ceòl beag (“little music”).
    My Scottish-born friend always said that piobaireachd is real piping. A lot of laments. When he was a wee lad, his father took him to hear some real piping, and he said: “Daddy, that must be the music the angels play in heaven.”

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  224. He oversold it and mistold it. He should have have said that access to the courts is an important First Amendment right, too, the right to petition for redress of grievances, and that’s all the federal officers were there to protect. Instead, he made like he was Wyatt Earp and he was going to tame Abilene, and then slunk out with his tail between his legs.

    nk (1d9030)

  225. Thank you, Radegunda.

    nk (1d9030)

  226. #248, it’s probably the only musical instrument ever to have been banned as a weapon of war. But those laments are another thing.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  227. “No, he was clearly doing his Constitutional duty to protect federal property, including the federal district court that sits in Portland. Calling this “stoking” is outrageous.”

    They abducted people off the street in a violation of their constitutional rights. In general, the presence of the feds inflamed the protests. Finally, if this was a “constitutional duty” why did Trump pull the feds back.

    “I doubt you argued it in good faith.”

    This is extremely rude.

    Davethulhu (59e2b2)

  228. Heh! It is said that the bagpipe originated in Ur, and the Celts took it with them looking for a place without Medes, Greeks, or Italians to settle in, leaving the knowledge of it along the way, that’s why you can find it along the skirts of the Mediterranean cultures. But they don’t say how the concept originated. It is my opinion, from the look and the sound, that a Sumerian toddler picked up a cat and bit its tail.

    nk (1d9030)

  229. In general, the presence of the feds inflamed the protests.

    You mean protests that have been going on in Portland at least since the prior administration? They attacked the ICE building (that’s a federal building BTW, Davethulhu) two years ago and Trump held back. You knew that, right? The more logical conclusion is that holding back then emboldened the protesters to do it again.

    Finally, if this was a “constitutional duty” why did Trump pull the feds back.

    Because Trump secured an “agreement” that Oregon state police would actually do their job, though Portland police still would not. It’s not actually the Feds job to protect federal property with federal police, anymore than it’s your job to protect your house with a private police force.

    But, continue to flail away.

    beer ‘n pretzels (0f2314)

  230. Mad Libs indeed, but I am certain you will find some Mad Conservatives that make your “both sides do it” argument less ridiculous than it sounds.

    It’s as if people from Trump on down do not label their political adversaries as “enemies”. Both sides actually do this. It’s just a fact.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  231. What was it called in greece?

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  232. It is my opinion, from the look and the sound, that a Sumerian toddler picked up a cat and bit its tail.

    As a great lover of the bagpipes, I confess I have never heard anyone posit this suggestion about origins, but having had insatiably curious toddlers going after irritable cat tails switching back and forth in warning, and knowing full well what the intersection of the two would produce, I’m not going to challenge it.

    Dana (292df6)

  233. This is the first tune in an album I like, with some slightly jazzed-up piping. Unfortunately, the best track isn’t on YouTube. It’s a medley of 6/8 marches that don’t sound very march-like (how do you march to 6/8 anyway?), just some really good melodies woven seamlessly together in a way that might soften the hearts of the most hardened bagpipe haters.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  234. It was called the auskalos in greece.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  235. What was it called in greece?

    In formal Greek, askaulos, literally “bagpipe”, from aski, a skin bag, and aulos. the ancient Greek double reed pipe you see satyrs play on Greek vases. Gaida is the most common folk name in the Mediterranean and Balkans, not only in Greece, and the tsabounas is found in the Greek islands.

    nk (1d9030)

  236. No, he was clearly doing his Constitutional duty to protect federal property, including the federal district court that sits in Portland. Calling this “stoking” is outrageous.

    Like when federales in combat attire stuffed alleged suspects into minivans without probable cause or due process or reading them their rights? Or when they beat a Navy veteran for just standing there and talking to them?
    It used to be customary for federal and local law enforcement to work collaboratively in these matters. It didn’t happen in Portland. Trump made Twitter proclamations that he was going to put little foot down and then the federal agents in riot gear showed up not long after.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  237. CNN Breaking News
    @cnnbrk
    ·
    Two Chicago police officers pulled over a person suspected of having a gun, and all three ended up hospitalized with gunshot wounds, officials say

    https://cnn.it/3b8kbWR
    __ _

    I didn’t vote for him, so think of a new retort
    @jtLOL

    *Two Chicago police officers pulled over a person who shot them, and a third officer shot him
    __ _

    Stuey Da Man
    @StueyDa
    ·
    How about this:
    Two officers shot by suspsect during traffic stop; 3rd officer shoots suspect; all shooting victims hospitalized.
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    byrns
    @itbyrns
    ·
    Linguistic Gymnastics gold medal goes to…
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    falafeldiaper
    @falafeldiaper1
    ·
    2020 summarized

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    harkin (cd4502)

  238. Like when federales in combat attire stuffed alleged suspects into minivans without probable cause or due process or reading them their rights?

    Look up the difference between being detained and being arrested. This might require two minutes of effort.

    Or when they beat a Navy veteran for just standing there and talking to them?

    Yeah Paul, wearing a Navy hat is code for “I get to ignore police instructions and chat with you while you’re trying to handle a riot.”

    beer ‘n pretzels (1afa77)

  239. nk, I saw this comment on a piobaireachd video:

    “My cat is freaking out while this is playing, damned funny. Goes to show you that us Scots know how to put the fear of God into all creatures! lol.”

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  240. The wrong stupid “enemy” mentality on the right and on the

    left

    . Yes, both sides really do it. It’s just a fact.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  241. Crap. The left

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  242. Look up the difference between being detained and being arrested. This might require two minutes of effort.

    Look up some law on probable cause, beer. I didn’t provide the link because blue is a pretty color.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  243. Paul, I’m not even a lawyer, and could figure this out. I did the two minutes of work for you. You’re welcome, BTW. Pro bono.

    An officer’s “brief and cursory” holding and questioning someone is a detention. An example is a cop stopping someone who is behaving suspiciously in order to ask a few questions. The suspect isn’t free to leave, but he also isn’t under arrest, at least until the officer develops probable cause. Another common example is an officer pulling over a driver for some kind of traffic or equipment violation.

    In one case, officers handcuffed a suspect and placed him in the back of a squad car while they searched a house he had just visited. The appeals court held that their actions didn’t turn the detention into an arrest because they needed to avoid an escape attempt and to take precautions against potential violence.

    https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/arrest-vs-detention-how-tell-whether-you-ve-been-arrested-simply-detained.html

    beer ‘n pretzels (8482e2)

  244. @262-
    ……. [M]illions of people have seen a now-viral video in which two federal agents dressed in full combat gear removed an apparently peaceful protester from the streets of Portland, Oregon, and carried him away in an unmarked van. Stories have emerged of other people being taken or pursued by federal agents in a similar fashion. Meanwhile, troubling videos show federal agents in Portland beating a peacefully resolute U.S. Navy veteran and, on a separate occasion, shooting a man in the face with a nonlethal munition, which broke his skull.

    ……. [T]he Department of Homeland Security scheduled a press conference earlier this week to try to reclaim the narrative. If the point of that press conference was to reassure an anxious nation that this unfamiliar and recently constituted federal police force is following the law, it likely achieved the opposite effect.

    In particular, there is a two-minute segment of the press conference that is both revealing and highly disturbing. It shows that one of the top commanders of this new paramilitary federal police force—Kris Cline, deputy director of the Federal Protective Service—apparently does not know what the word “arrest” means…….

    …….. when a reporter asked Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf what is arguably the most critical question concerning the federal police presence in Portland: “What exactly is the standard of probable cause that you are getting” when your officers seize civilians?

    For an answer, Wolf turned things over to Richard “Kris” Cline, the deputy director of the Federal Protective Service…….
    ………
    When Cline stepped up to the microphone, he started to address the reporter’s question about probable cause by saying, “[Y]ou’re probably talking about the van.” This is a reference to the now-viral video, viewed nearly 13 million times, in which two camo-clad federal agents remove a peaceful protester from the street by placing him in an unmarked van. If you have not seen the video, it is worth watching now. (It’s 39 seconds long.)

    ……..it is clear from Cline’s statements that the agents never had any reason to believe that the man was the person pointing the laser. Cline says “the individual that they were questioning was in a crowd and in an area where an individual was aiming a laser at the eyes of officers” (emphasis added). Cline later adds that the agents wanted “to question this individual to find out what their [sic] role was in this laser pointing.”

    The video speaks for itself regarding the manner in which the agents grabbed the man and put him in the van……..
    ………
    ………. Cline did not suggest the man in the video ever did anything himself to alarm the agents or to give them grounds to believe he was engaged in criminal activity. The agents wanted to get off the street to get away from the crowd—and they wanted the man to come with them. So, they grabbed him; put him in a van; and took him, in Cline’s words, “to an area that was safe for both the officers and the individual to do the questioning.”

    ………Cline never explicitly says where the agents took the man. …….

    Was this constitutional?

    ……..The basic legal framework here is not particularly complex. As noted at the outset, arresting someone without probable cause is unconstitutional. One important question to consider when assessing the legality of the viral van encounter is thus whether the agents had probable cause.

    ……… Probable cause can sometimes be an elusive concept. But in some cases, like this one, its application is straightforward: The police do not have probable cause to arrest you just because you are standing in the vicinity of someone who may have committed a crime……… There is no such thing as probable cause by mere association.

    Cline seems to understand this. He acknowledges that the agents did not have probable cause for an arrest. As he explains, when the officers ultimately “released” the man from custody they did so—after consulting with government lawyers—because they concluded “they did not have what they needed” to detain him. In other words, they did not have probable cause. Not when they spoke to the lawyers. Not when they put the man in the van. Not ever.

    According to Cline, the agents’ conduct was lawful because what they did was a “simple engagement.” “It was not,” Cline says, “a custodial arrest.” The argument, in other words, is that these agents complied with the Fourth Amendment because they did not need probable cause to put the man in the van in the first place.

    This assertion is glaringly wrong. It has been glaringly wrong for at least forty years, ever since the Supreme Court’s opinion in Dunaway v. New York. The question there was “whether the … police violated the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments when, without probable cause to arrest, they took petitioner into custody, transported him to the police station, and detained him there for questioning.” The answer, the Court said, was unequivocally yes: Such a detention is “indistinguishable from a traditional arrest.”

    As the court went on to explain, “The mere facts that petitioner was not told he was under arrest, was not ‘booked,’ and would not have had an arrest record if the interrogation had proved fruitless, while not insignificant for all purposes, obviously do not make [the] seizure even roughly analogous” to a mere investigatory stop, let alone a consensual contact. Rather, Dunaway holds that, at a minimum, a person who is “taken” from “where he was found,” placed in “a police car, transported to a police station and placed in an interrogation room” has been arrested.
    ……..
    Professor Timothy Snyder of Yale University ……..offered a striking diagnosis of Cline’s statement:

    “It’s very troubling. To say that the man was not arrested is simply lying. This is what authoritarian propaganda sounds like. A man has been arrested and you find some other way to describe it, for example, as a “simple engagement,” which is false but it sounds like a technical term. So you stop and think about it. That’s how authoritarian propaganda works.”
    ……..

    ………
    Source

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  245. @268 — The fact that the federal government sent out heavily armed agents with no identifying insignia, who refused to say what agency they represented, should be troubling to the Law & Order / We Love the Constitution / You’re Not the Boss of Me crowd.

    But apparently it isn’t, because those armed agents were sent by Trump (Who Loves America More than Anyone Else).

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  246. I’ll bet Don the Con ordered that those armed forces not identify themselves, and that he was gleeful about being able to get away with it, because who was going to stop him? It seems he’s mostly pushed out anyone who would say “Sorry, I won’t follow an unlawful order.”

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  247. yes tim snyder has lost his ever loving mind, so effectively they don’t want us to do anything against this clear and present danger, thank you for clarifying that,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  248. So Biden has condemned the violence:

    The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable. Shooting in the streets of a great American city is unacceptable. I condemn this violence unequivocally. I condemn violence of every kind by anyone, whether on the left or the right. And I challenge Donald Trump to do the same. It does not matter if you find the political views of your opponents abhorrent, any loss of life is a tragedy. Today there is another family grieving in America, and Jill and I offer our deepest condolences.

    We must not become a country at war with ourselves. A country that accepts the killing of fellow Americans who do not agree with you. A country that vows vengeance toward one another. But that is the America that President Trump wants us to be, the America he believes we are.

    As a country, we must condemn the incitement of hate and resentment that led to this deadly clash. It is not a peaceful protest when you go out spoiling for a fight. What does President Trump think will happen when he continues to insist on fanning the flames of hate and division in our society and using the politics of fear to whip up his supporters? He is recklessly encouraging violence. He may believe tweeting about law and order makes him strong – but his failure to call on his supporters to stop seeking conflict shows just how weak he is. He may think that war in our streets is good for his reelection chances, but that is not presidential leadership – or even basic human compassion.

    The job of a President is to lower the temperature. To bring people who disagree with one another together. To make life better for all Americans, not just those who agree with us, support us, or vote for us.

    Donald Trump has been president for almost four years. The temperature in the country is higher, tensions run stronger, divisions run deeper. And all of us are less safe because Donald Trump can’t do the job of the American president.

    Clearly a coordinated effort by Democrats.

    Dana (292df6)

  249. 188.Riots get people hurt and sometimes killed.

    ‘No miracle is coming.’ -Plagiarist JoeyBee

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  250. No formal statement from Trump, just a few tweets:

    Our great National Guard could solve these problems in less than 1 hour. Local authorities must ask before it is too late. People of Portland, and other Democrat run cities, are disgusted with Schumer, Pelosi, and thier local “leaders”. They want Law & Order!

    Wheeler is incompetent, much like Sleepy Joe Biden. This is not what our great Country wants. They want Safety & Security, and do NOT want to Defund our Police!

    The National Guard is Ready, Willing and Able. All the Governor has to do is call!

    Dana (292df6)

  251. Which reminds me, I wish Victor would hit the board here, and give us a first-hand update on the haps in Seattle.

    Dana (292df6)

  252. Joe Biden, hip and happening:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYdpOjletnc

    “What we’re working on is how I get out.” — Joe Biden 8/28/20

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  253. maybe his staff, shouldn’t have bailed out the protesters, that suggests something, ultimately the most militant are probably bernie supporters like kyle jurek, remember his promise in the primaries,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  254. so we’re supposed to forget about that, now if it happened without his approval, that doesn’t speak well of him, but lawfare seems to have missed the russian and chinese moles which have been deep inside our intelligence infrastructure for 20 years, and they chased this second rate zinoviev telegram,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  255. snow boarder, seems out of season, but why not

    https://summit.news/2020/08/30/suspect-in-murder-of-trump-supporter-im-100-antifa-all-the-way/

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  256. palestinian islamic jihad, was the outfit of sami al arian, if one recalls

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/08/gaza-based-terror-groups-preparing-joint-campaign-against-israel-report-says/

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  257. Paul, I’m not even a lawyer, and could figure this out. I did the two minutes of work for you. You’re welcome, BTW. Pro bono.

    Maybe you need a lawyer to help you figure it out, too, beer, because you missed the part where there was no probable cause, that the guy wasn’t “behaving suspiciously”, and that there is no functional distinction between arrest and being taken against your will to a government building for questioning. Since you won’t click on the pretty blue color, the mountain comes to you…

    According to Cline, the agents’ conduct was lawful because what they did was a “simple engagement.” “It was not,” Cline says, “a custodial arrest.” The argument, in other words, is that these agents complied with the Fourth Amendment because they did not need probable cause to put the man in the van in the first place.
    This assertion is glaringly wrong. It has been glaringly wrong for at least forty years, ever since the Supreme Court’s opinion in Dunaway v. New York. The question there was “whether the … police violated the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments when, without probable cause to arrest, they took petitioner into custody, transported him to the police station, and detained him there for questioning.” The answer, the Court said, was unequivocally yes: Such a detention is “indistinguishable from a traditional arrest.”
    As the court went on to explain, “The mere facts that petitioner was not told he was under arrest, was not ‘booked,’ and would not have had an arrest record if the interrogation had proved fruitless, while not insignificant for all purposes, obviously do not make [the] seizure even roughly analogous” to a mere investigatory stop, let alone a consensual contact. Rather, Dunaway holds that, at a minimum, a person who is “taken” from “where he was found,” placed in “a police car, transported to a police station and placed in an interrogation room” has been arrested.
    It is worth noting that Dunaway does not stand alone in the court’s Fourth Amendment canon. On the contrary, it builds on an earlier case, Davis v. Mississippi, and has been reaffirmed in later ones, including Hayes v. Florida. In the former case, the “police, without warrants, took at least 24 Negro youths to police headquarters where they were questioned briefly, fingerprinted, and then released without charge.” The government conceded this was done without probable cause. And while the detentions were all “brief,” the court nonetheless concluded that they were unconstitutional arrests.
    As for Hayes, the Court in that opinion reaffirmed Davis and Dunaway, describing the core holdings of those cases as follows:
    None of our later cases have undercut the holding in Davis that transportation to and investigative detention at the station house without probable cause or judicial authorization together violate the Fourth Amendment. Indeed, some 10 years later, in Dunaway v. New York, we refused to extend Terry v. Ohio, to authorize investigative interrogations at police stations on less than probable cause.

    Any one of these cases, standing alone, resolves the question at hand. Taken together, the conclusion is inescapable: When the agents put the man in the van, took him off the street, and brought him inside for questioning, they arrested him. Cline says they did so without probable cause. That means they violated the Constitution.

    This is not some dimestore lawyer or encyclopedia definition, beer, it’s Harvard Law with expertise in criminal law and procedure.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  258. ‘No miracle is coming.’ -Plagiarist JoeyBee

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/30/2020 @ 1:03 pm

    Yeah Biden’s wrong about that. Vote for Trump because miracles will happen. He’s the one with the support from men of God after all. If only Biden weren’t president all this stuff would not be happening.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  259. Biden seeking to make it go away as an issue by pushing the ‘both sides equally bad’ meme:

    Andrew Solender
    @AndrewSolender

    Biden campaign:

    “The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable… I condemn this violence unequivocally. I condemn violence of every kind by anyone, whether on the left or the right. And I challenge Donald Trump to do the same.”
    __ _

    Noah Pollak
    @NoahPollak

    Another Biden statement condemning violence in the abstract but refusing to support the police, call for arrests, demand prosecutions and jail sentences, etc — you know, the stuff that actually stops violence. Biden is afraid of alienating Dems who hate law enforcement.
    __ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze

    Becomes a little hard to condemn rioters when your campaign was donating to have them bailed out of jail.
    __ _

    harkin (cd4502)

  260. as pointed earlier, that was exactly the narrative that chuck todd followed,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  261. Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/30/2020 @ 5:37 am

    thanks for the link.

    Although I still find it insufficient, this information, and more, is what everyone should have been waiting for before putting in their oars. I am glad I ignored the temptation to join in the discussion with my own speculation. I may join in after enough reliable info emerges.

    [Begin rant]

    Too many, uncritically, relied on assumptions made by others or themselves, a pity and an all-too common a method preferred by the foolish. How often have we been presented with misinformation, if not outright lies, from every possible source, and decried it? Are we suffering from amnesia? Have we learned nothing?

    [End rant]

    felipe (023cc9)

  262. and that is derivative of the new york times, in part, which shows they don’t even read their own paper,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  263. Its about time democrats start shooting back at racism. The continous attempts to disarm black by the democratic establishment at behest of the corporate state is over!

    shoot back (8a2efc)

  264. folly is not just on this side of the atlantic

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/30/wanted-toughest-possible-lockdown-now-will-pay-price/

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  265. Its about time democrats start shooting back at racism. The continous attempts to disarm black by the democratic establishment at behest of the corporate state is over!

    shoot back (8a2efc) — 8/30/2020 @ 1:45 pm

    Are you black? Do you speak for black people? When you see all this violence in these cities are you pleased? Of course I know you’re hoping to troll and if I met you I’d be more amused by your BMI than your anger, but what motivates you civil war guys? What is it that you wanted?

    Dustin (5418f4)

  266. @282. Vote for Trump because miracles will happen.

    He won, didn’t he?! 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  267. LOL good point

    Dustin (5418f4)

  268. The National Guard is Ready, Willing and Able. All the Governor has to do is call!

    Since when do governors need permission from an orange baboon to deploy the National Guard inside their own states? We have 375 Illinois National Guardsmen deployed in Chicago and I haven’t heard that Pritzker asked the orange’s permission to do it.

    nk (1d9030)

  269. @272 So Biden has condemned the violence:

    No, Biden offered a mealy-mouthed statement that sought to shift the blame to Trump, rather than where it belongs: an organized group of Marxists, who have deliberately fomented violence, and whom Biden’s party has coddled and tried to use for its own political ends.

    And the Oregon governor’s attempt to blame both sides is a blatant lie.

    Frankly, I am disgusted. I despise Trump for many reasons. In the last election, I described him as the middle-finger candidate. At this point, I am sorely tempted to vote for him to give the middle-finger to Biden and his whole party.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  270. But since he has so much power over local affairs, there’s this street light down my street that keeps flickering. Could he do something about it?

    nk (1d9030)

  271. Republicans render unto Trump that which is God’s

    Scripture is replete with warnings about placing faith in political leaders above God.
    ………
    God warns that kings tend to demand submission to their authority over humble submission to the divine. In their egotism, kings pursue violence and corruption (1 Samuel 8). They “tear up the laws of those who have reigned in righteousness” and “trample under their feet the commandments of God.” (Mosiah 29:22). Wicked kings, like false prophets, “profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” (Titus 1:16).

    The last four years have featured a series of maneuvers to crown President Trump as King. …….
    ……….
    For all Mike Pence purports to be a “Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order,” Pence this week literally substituted the American flag for Jesus while mis-quoting Hebrews in support of Donald Trump. Pence implied Trump, not Christ, is the “author and perfecter of our faith – and freedom.”

    The GOP now reveres Trump above Christ as their King. Trump’s assertions of “total” and “magical authority” are unmoored from any other democratic, christian, or even moral principle.
    ……..
    From that vantage, Trump’s ignorance of Christianity and amoral behavior is rendered irrelevant. It’s not hypocritical that Trump does not attend Church because he’s not bound by Christian rules. Why would Trump need to ever seek forgiveness from God for his sins when he is his own font of truth? If Trump is Lord, Trump’s enemies must beg and seek forgiveness from him.

    To borrow a page from Pence’s blasphemy: the GOP “shall not live by the Bible alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of Trump.”
    ……….
    In short, Trump has become the new charismatic leader of a religious movement. He has rejected the authority of existing institutions and supplanted all of them with unique truth centered in himself.
    ……..
    Trumpism has corrupted religion. Trumpism has become religion.
    ……..
    Trump does not rely on the Bible itself as scripture – he has not read it and cannot recite its verses. Rather, Trump realizes that if he couples his own charisma with the Bible, he can achieve great manipulative effect. It’s the philosophy of Trump, mingled with scripture.

    This is what Trump signaled in Lafayette Square. ……..

    When Trump invokes the Bible, it is not to demonstrate how the Bible guides Trump’s actions, it’s to demonstrate that he’s willing to advance whatever agenda his supporters want to attribute to the Bible as a way to solidify his own power. That’s why he picked Mike Pence as Vice President – Pence is just a carrot to dangle in front of evangelicals. That’s why he flipped stances on abortion, not because he has any respect for sexual morality, but because it checks a box to win over “single-issue” voters.
    ……..
    Although Trumpism wields the forms of Christianity, his actual substance is ethno-nationalism. Social scientists have long documented a link between fundamentalist faiths who champion inerrancy and political right-wing authoritarianism. Unsurprisingly, a notable predictor of Trump support has been voters who trend authoritarian, including by supporting strong police powers to be used against minorities. Anti-immigrant nativism and fear heavily correlate with support for Trump.

    The cruelty is the point. Norm violations are his appeal.
    ………
    Trumpism’s substitute theology of white nationalism now trumps any other classical Christian teaching of “love your neighbor,” “visit the fatherless and the widows in their affliction,” “invite in the stranger,” “execute justice for the oppressed, and give food to the hungry.”
    ………
    Racist and sexist (+46%) attitudes are one of the strongest predictors of support for Trump. …….
    ……….
    Above all else Trumpism demands loyalty. Supporter loyalty is a litmus test – no one can say the President is wrong, you can at most posit that he presented “alternative facts.” On morning talk shows, loyalists know to stick to Trumpian lines, because obsequiousness alone rewards them with White House prestige.
    …….
    Trumpism has a persecution complex……
    …..
    To once again borrow from scripture, Trumpists are prone to believe that when liberals “revile and persecute” them, they should “rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”

    By casting both Trump and themselves as victims – even when Trump is the one causing the harm, even when they are privileged and wealthy perpetrators of America’s majoritarian race and religious status quo and in control of all three branches of Government – the GOP energizes its commitment to Trumpism.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  272. Could he do something about it?

    “I alone can fix it!”

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  273. long winded and wrong, but that’s for playing murdoch,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  274. I have seen the police union narrative from Kenosha. Has anybody seen a Kenosha police department statement? I haven’t and I searched. Nothing from city hall, the county, or the state, either. Is anybody in charge there?

    nk (1d9030)

  275. Trump Called Kimberly Guilfoyle After Her Roaring RNC Speech, Compared Her to Eva Perón
    On Monday night, former Fox News host Kimberly Guilfoyle, a top fundraiser for the Trump reelection effort and girlfriend of Donald Trump Jr., delivered a booming, scenery-chewing speech at the 2020 Republican National Convention that immediately went viral.

    It concluded, her arms outstretched, with Guilfoyle’s bellowed vow, “The. Best. Is. Yet. To. Come!”
    …….
    Minutes after her speech aired on Monday evening, President Donald Trump called Guilfoyle, to effusively praise her for the address he’d just watch on TV, comparing her to Eva “Evita” Perón, according to two people familiar with the phone conversation.

    Perón, a former first lady of Argentina, is also the subject of the famous Andrew Lloyd Webber musical Evita, of which Trump has long been a huge fan and has seen multiple times on stage.

    “That was fantastic…so amazing,” Trump said on the Monday night call. “So much energy…so much passion.” According to these sources, the president added that “nobody could have done that but you,” calling her “my Kimberly.” He told her that hers was one of the “greatest” speeches he’d ever seen.
    ……..
    One senior Trump administration official said that the president joked last week that it was “better than Don’s,” referring to the convention speech delivered by his eldest son.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  276. I did get to see a large 4 engine military transport plane land at Waukegan Regional Airport yesterday…remarkable since the longest runway is only about 7/8 mile long.

    urbanleftbehind (150cd3)

  277. I thought the bigger towns in NW Indiana were bass ackward, but far SE Wisconsin governments make the Trumpian mayors of maj-min Chicago suburbs like Bolingbrook (Roger Claar) and Cicero (Larry Dominick) look like Ben Sasse.

    urbanleftbehind (150cd3)

  278. “ Which reminds me, I wish Victor would hit the board here, and give us a first-hand update on the haps in Seattle.”
    __ _

    Here’s the haps at U-Haul Truck Rental:

    Seattle-to-Boise one-way:
    15’ truck – $1,056
    26’ truck – $2,112

    Boise-to-Seattle one-way:
    15’ truck – $104
    26’ truck – $119

    https://twitter.com/HalFurman/status/1295477635615567872?s=20
    __ _

    harkin (cd4502)

  279. Gov. Evers of Wisconsin, has sent a letter to Trump imploring him *not* to visit Kenosha this week as scheduled, saying it would be counter-productive and hinder “healing”.

    Dana (292df6)

  280. Not fawning enough.

    nk (1d9030)

  281. Donald Trump, the President of the United States of Tweeterdom, has tweeted over 90 times today about Portland, just Portland. Mind you, he hasn’t done anything, but he’s tweeted…a lot. It’s his full time job. Well, it’s the most “work” he does, hours per day on Twitter. Maybe he sleeps more, but I doubt it, tweeter and TeeVee, then sleep.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  282. Klink that’s what he was elected for. All those birther tweets, tweets about how Obama was abusing office by making phone calls that were campaign related, screwing up everything he touched, etc. Trump didn’t have any accomplishment to point to to get elected, but he had a lot of intense support because of social media.

    If Trump wins it’s going to be because people are angry at the left’s behavior, not because Trump kept a single promise. other than a few signatures and appointments, he doesn’t do anything.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  283. Ooh, this might just be fun!

    In February 2019 Evers withdrew Wisconsin National Guard forces from the border with Mexico, where President Donald Trump had called for a “national emergency.” Evers said, “There is simply not ample evidence to support the president’s contention that there exists a national security crisis at our Southwestern border. Therefore, there is no justification for the ongoing presence of Wisconsin National Guard personnel at the border.”[31]

    It also goes to what I said above. The President ain’t the boss of the National Guard domestically, the governors are.

    nk (1d9030)

  284. “Gov. Evers of Wisconsin, has sent a letter to Trump imploring him *not* to visit Kenosha this week as scheduled, saying it would be counter-productive and hinder “healing”.
    __ _

    The mobs have moved from just the campuses to now cities, “if you come and we don’t like you, we’ll riot”

    It’s worked on campuses because the accomplice/cowardly officials refused to protect speakers or discipline the violent. Now they don’t even protect their own citizens/businesses/property.

    How anyone can think this promotes positive change is unreal.
    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  285. The mobs have moved from just the campuses to now cities, “if you come and we don’t like you, we’ll riot”

    Did you come to America like five years ago or something? The riots have always been in the cities.

    nk (1d9030)

  286. Mind you, he hasn’t done anything, but he’s tweeted…a lot. It’s his full time job. Well, it’s the most “work” he does, hours per day on Twitter.

    Imagine when we trade up for a president that cowers in a bunker all day, gives no interviews, and has others write his tweets.

    beer ‘n pretzels (91a694)

  287. then we shouldn’t have any problems then

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53966407

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  288. I found this article particularly interesting.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/29/body-language-expert-conventions-rnc-dnc-404425

    It’s by a former FBI agent with 25 years of experience in studying body language. He is not a profiler, as profiling is more of a psychoanalysis of an unknown subject, based on investigations of crime scenes, evidence left behind, the nature of the crime, victimology, etc. It’s all about getting into the mind of the perpetrator, figuring out what his or her pathology is, in the hope of anticipating or predicting the next crime scene or victim. This is not that.

    Joe Navarro is an ethologist, a student of behavior, and body language is very real. He’s paying attention to mannerisms, posture, facial expressions, gesticulations, and the like–these are the clues which lead one to decipher what the speaker is actually saying. Words are meaningless at this point, except in intonation of voice. It’s all about the body language, the unspoken signals that tell you what the speaker really intends.

    Navarro watched each speech twice; first with the sound off, to study the body language, then again with the sound on to see if the words spoken actually matched the body language. What he observed was interesting.

    Professional poker players use this strategy all the time. You don’t read the cards, that is number counting; you read the players, in how they react to the cards. That tells you everything. A simple twitch, or hand gesture, the smoke of a cigarette, or a stroke of hair, tells you everything. Who is bluffing or who has a straight hand. It is very real, body language. All the money is on the table, make your bet. This is it, all the money is on the table, make your bet. Win or lose. Anyone remember Rounders, it’s only the greatest poker movie since the Cincinnati Kid.

    It’s all about the tell, the player in front of you revealing himself to you. Body language is real. It’s very real, but only if you pay attention.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  289. Imagine when we trade up for a president that cowers in a bunker all day, gives no interviews, and has others write his tweets.

    beer ‘n pretzels (91a694) — 8/30/2020 @ 5:03 pm

    think about it

    this sounds better

    i wish biden ran on a ‘i gonna do very little’ platform

    Dustin (5418f4)

  290. Imagine when we trade up for a president that cowers in a bunker all day, gives no interviews, and has others write his tweets.

    As long as it’s not Trump, who
    — Is documented to have cowered in a bunker as opposed to some Trumpkin making up stuff on the internet;
    — Loves nothing, and I mean nothing, more than having his orange face on television; and
    — Covfefe!

    nk (1d9030)

  291. I am sure that there are commenters on this site who will take this as gospel.

    felipe (023cc9)

  292. BTW, here’s Biden cowering in his bunker and not giving interviews

    “In a lengthy Sunday afternoon statement…”

    NBC helpfully added a file photo from the convention.

    beer ‘n pretzels (1afa77)

  293. Do you think he wrote the statement, nk?

    beer ‘n pretzels (1afa77)

  294. A Biden interview, and another.

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  295. Thats only 1/4 of the story felipe.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  296. Yeah, I think Biden wrote the statement. I don’t think he lounges around in his Depends all day having “executive time” with Fox News and his phone. It’s Trump who does that.

    nk (1d9030)

  297. A lawyer for Rittenhouse, who was also charged with reckless endangerment and a misdemeanor count of possession of a dangerous weapon under the age of 18, described the shooting as “classic self-defense.”

    It certainly was, Ollie.

    nk (1d9030)

  298. @309-
    The President ain’t the boss of the National Guard domestically, the governors are.
    I’m sure you know the President can federalize the NG and direct it’s deployment.

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  299. 325.Yeah, I think Biden wrote the statement…

    Better check that w/Neil Kinnock.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  300. 322.Do you think he wrote the statement, nk?

    Well, we KNOW he said this:

    “What we’re working on is how I get out.” — Joe Biden 8/28/20

    We?!

    It takes a committee…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  301. I do not like Joe Biden but I recall being surprised he handled himself well when debating Paul Ryan. I assumed that was going to be crushing. Joe Biden is a little bit like Dubya there. He has that elusive nice dummy vibe that keeps expectations low.

    Another guy who did much better in debates than I expected was Mike Pence, who acts like he has a power switch on his brain now.

    At the end of the day it doesn’t even matter. This is an election about values, not qualifications.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  302. I’m sure you know the President can federalize the NG and direct it’s deployment.

    Of course, I know that. It’s in the Constitution. But when he doesn’t, the governors rule. They don’t need his permission to deploy to Portland or Kenosha the ones he hasn’t sent to Iraq.

    Is it maybe what the orange is talking about is that if he deploys them, even inside their own state, the federal government will pick up the bill? Maybe that’s it?

    nk (1d9030)

  303. I do not like Joe Biden

    Tell me about it. How low we’ve sunk. And the orange is dragging us even lower every day.

    nk (1d9030)

  304. And very credible to people who don’t read the whole story after the clickbait, too, NJRob.

    nk (1d9030)

  305. Li’l video that Andy Ngo won’t be showing you. Patriot Prayer guy who got shot was still alive, and being tended to by BLM medics, who were then chased off by the police. Police then stand around while the guy bleeds out.

    https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1300236674056761350

    Davethulhu (1be455)

  306. Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/30/2020 @ 5:57 pm

    Yes, and that is being generous.

    felipe (023cc9)

  307. Same weasel that defamed rittenhouse squid.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  308. g tended to by BLM medics, who were then chased off by the police.

    It’s a homicide scene. They can’t just let a bunch of masked protesters screw with the body when they don’t even know who the shooter is. And medics are often carrying pistols and are among the worst ‘tacti-cool’ people around these protests. The cops have no idea if these people are qualified, though all cops should have training specific to first aid for gunshots, carry tourniquets, know CPR, etc. Clearing the scene was important.

    Unfortunately, these protesters can be terrible about giving the cops enough space to work when someone just got shot. In Austin they were screaming ‘f— the police’ so close that the cops giving CPR could not hear eachother, didn’t know what was behind them.

    Put yourself in their shoes for a second. Yes they should be giving first aid but come on with the rest of that.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  309. “It’s a homicide scene.”

    It wasn’t a homicide scene yet.

    Davethulhu (1be455)

  310. Li’l video that Andy Ngo won’t be showing you.

    Are these the same police that stood around while Ngo had his head split open by your good guys, Davethulhu?

    But, we should certainly all take comfort that if we’re fatally shot by your good guys in cold blood, they will tend to our wounds.

    beer ‘n pretzels (0f2314)

  311. Giving him first aid or riffling his pockets?

    nk (1d9030)

  312. Maybe giving him first aid after they riffled his pockets?

    nk (1d9030)

  313. I saw the “first aid” they gave to the sword-kid in Texas.

    nk (1d9030)

  314. “Are these the same police that stood around while Ngo had his head split open by your good guys, Davethulhu?”

    He didn’t have his head split open.

    “But, we should certainly all take comfort that if we’re fatally shot by your good guys in cold blood, they will tend to our wounds.”

    Cold blood?

    “Giving him first aid or riffling his pockets?”

    I suppose you could watch the video…

    Davethulhu (1be455)

  315. We already know protesters were cloaking themselves with bogus “Press” and “Security” labels. I imagine fake “Medic” isn’t beyond the pale for them, and the cops know it.

    beer ‘n pretzels (0f2314)

  316. I suppose you could watch the video…

    Couldn’t find it.

    nk (1d9030)

  317. “Couldn’t find it.”

    Sorry, try this link: https://twitter.com/i/status/1300236674056761350

    Davethulhu (1be455)

  318. At least it wasnt as blatant as the rifling the expiring Yordano Ventura was subject to.

    urbanleftbehind (25d5a7)

  319. Found it. It looks like the police started administering first aid, to me. Three of them. Right away.

    nk (1d9030)

  320. He didn’t have his head split open.

    LOL. He was put in hospital with a head wound. Good that you’re keeping track of which exact dude had his head split open by your good guys.

    Cold blood?

    Self defense, Davethulhu? Explain that one.

    beer ‘n pretzels (0f2314)

  321. We already know protesters were cloaking themselves with bogus “Press” and “Security” labels

    If they use a sign that says “Pull”, we know they watch the Three Stooges when they smoke their dope.

    urbanleftbehind (25d5a7)

  322. “LOL. He was put in hospital with a head wound. Good that you’re keeping track of which exact dude had his head split open by your good guys.”

    No he wasn’t. He went to the hospital and left within an hour or so. He claimed he had a “brain bleed”. Here’s an example of someone with an actual brain bleed: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/us/martin-gugino-protester-skull/index.html

    He was in the hospital for 4 weeks.

    Davethulhu (1be455)

  323. “Self defense, Davethulhu? Explain that one.”

    You’re making a claim. It’s up to you to support it.

    Davethulhu (1be455)

  324. Hard to feel sorry for any of those people.

    nk (1d9030)

  325. You’re making a claim. It’s up to you to support it.

    There’s a video.

    beer ‘n pretzels (91a694)

  326. It wasn’t a homicide scene yet.

    Davethulhu (1be455) — 8/30/2020 @ 6:54 pm

    Granted it is not legally one until death is declared (in my county that takes hours), but everyone knew their choices could potentially contaminate a homicide investigation from the moment they saw the man on the ground.

    The BLM medic thing annoys me. these guys can go become EMTs or firefighters, two very honorable jobs (albeit with a criminal background check, drug tests, standards, stuff like that). Next time you meed a street medic, ask them about chinese herbal medicine, crystals, pain relief. Some of them are actual trained medics. Some of them are simply dangerous people who are living a fantasy. Let’s put ourselves in the victim’s shoes. Who do you think he would have preferred give him aid? Who do you think he would blame for his demise?

    Dustin (5418f4)

  327. “There’s a video.”

    I’ve seen it. There are clearly 2 gunshots. It appears to me that there is one in each direction. with the victim shooting first.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z-bI3294bQ jump to 48 seconds.

    Davethulhu (831337)

  328. First of all dont call them blm because they believe in that, in a insurrectionary movement motivated by marxist sentiments, it doesnt quite matter what their civilian designation is, remember zawahiri was a doctor.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  329. “Granted it is not legally one until death is declared (in my county that takes hours), but everyone knew their choices could potentially contaminate a homicide investigation from the moment they saw the man on the ground.”

    Dustin, I think you’re too apologetic for the police in general, but I respect your opinions and will accept your take for this one.

    Davethulhu (831337)

  330. I’ve seen it. There are clearly 2 gunshots. It appears to me that there is one in each direction. with the victim shooting first.

    Has anyone claimed the victim had a gun?

    beer ‘n pretzels (0f2314)

  331. “Has anyone claimed the victim had a gun?”

    He was arrested for taking a gun to a protest in 2017: https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2017/10/08/19375638/a-man-had-a-gun-stowed-in-his-scooter-at-todays-patriot-prayer-rally-he-was-arrested

    Davethulhu (831337)

  332. Dustin, I think you’re too apologetic for the police in general, but I respect your opinions and will accept your take for this one.

    Davethulhu (831337) — 8/30/2020 @ 7:40 pm

    I do have my particular perspective and I’m open to learning I’m wrong. Some of this is like anything where if you’re unfamiliar, confusing choices and bad results look much worse than something you understand (even with the same bad results). It is too bad this guy died. Bad outcome. It is too bad the cops didn’t give the kind of first aid you think they should have. Maybe they gave great first aid and you couldn’t tell. Maybe they had other priorities and weren’t able to do everything in a timely enough way because their priority was locating a shooter that already left, then clearing the scene, then first aid. I’m not trying to say my experience trump’s anybody’s though. Without body language I come across differently. There are a lot of criminal defense attorneys or former prosecutors here who have had me rethinking myself many times over the years.

    But I do think the problem isn’t really the police. the problem is the whole structure, the lower quality in police personnel sometimes being a reflection of that structure. Have the perfect police department full of Andy Taylors, but the same Foster Care system, the same prison system, the same (lack of) mental health system, and the results will not be very different. We need to get DCSCA in here because I blame JFK for a lot of that.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  333. I would put the Portland police Seventh (7th) in the problem hierarchy:
    1. Portland. It has always been a permissive place that lets its Weltschmerzers run loose.
    2. The Mayor.
    3. The City Council.
    4. Antifa and company.
    5. The far-right loonies.
    6. Trump.
    7. The police? What are they supposed to do?

    nk (1d9030)

  334. No, Biden offered a mealy-mouthed statement that sought to shift the blame to Trump…

    Um, no. Biden has consistently condemned violence at protests. The problem is that his condemnations are drowned out by Trump’s lies.
    7/6/2019: “Biden condemns violent Antifa assault on conservative journalist Andy Ngo”
    May 31st: “Joe Biden Condemns Violence Surrounding Protests, Says George Floyd’s Name Will Not Be a Hashtag.” This was the day before Trump’s clearing out Lafayette Square with police power and pulling his idiot Bible photo-op maneuver.
    August 27th: Biden both condemned the violence after Blake was shot and criticized Trump for “rooting for the violence”.
    Today: “Joe Biden condemned Portland violence as unacceptable ‘on the left or the right’ and challenged President Trump to ‘do the same'”

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  335. 187.

    lurker, the account that Bored Lawyer just quoted above is what I have been operating on, too. Furthermore, I am neither saying “he deserved to be punched” nor “he had it coming”. I am saying “it was not a sucker punch”. A “sucker punch” means he was hit unawares while minding his own business. He was not minding his own business, he was asking for trouble, and he had no right to be unawares.
    nk (1d9030) — 8/30/2020 @ 5:05 am

    I’ve been operating under the impression I got from the video that it was a sucker punch. If the account Bored Lawyer quoted is accurate, I agree with everything you say. Of course the objectivity of that account is called into all kinds of question by the fact that the person reporting it was in position to do so because he was walking a few feet behind Metaxas after having just left the White House. But we’re in speculation world now.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  336. POS Oregon Governor Kate Brown test drives some Bidenesque dementia.

    “The right-wing group Patriot Prayer and self-proclaimed militia members drove into downtown Portland last night, armed and looking for a fight,” Brown said. “Every Oregonian has the right to freely express their views without fear of deadly violence. I will not allow Patriot Prayer and armed white supremacists to bring more bloodshed to our streets.”

    beer ‘n pretzels (8f1e47)

  337. 211.

    I apologize to Vladek, lurker, and Paul. I didn’t know how personal they would take my comments. Hopefully anonymously sourced criticism of Trump will be able to continue unabated in the comment section.
    BuDuh (db3d12) — 8/30/2020 @ 7:38 am

    Anyone who takes anonymous internet insults personally should find another hobby. Or maybe inherit a fortune, go bankrupt a few times, and run for president.

    You pantsed yourself with a transparently ignorant, content-free attack. Why would I take that personally? I’m just holding you accountable. You called my quoted sources “worthless idiots.” Steve Vladek is one of those sources. You ought to be able to (1) say Steve Vladek is a worthless idiot or (2) admit your error and restore your original assertion to the butt from which you pulled it.

    You’ve still done neither.

    But I’m bored now, so if you want to repair your dignity you’ll have to do it without further prodding from me.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  338. He was arrested for taking a gun to a protest in 2017

    That’s your best evidence, Davethulhu?

    The truth will come out and I predict you’ll be eating your claim.

    beer ‘n pretzels (8f1e47)

  339. “The right-wing group Patriot Prayer and self-proclaimed militia members drove into downtown Portland last night, armed and looking for a fight,”

    Yes! Yes, they were!

    nk (1d9030)

  340. If you ignore the context of the last 3 1/2 years, of course it doesnt make sense, but all these left wing mayors and governors have been feeding the croc, hoping to get eaten last.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  341. They don’t live in Portland. What part of what goes on there is any of their business?

    nk (1d9030)

  342. Because this carp doesnt end there, this is what weve noticed, its foco strategy, but it branches out as far west as kenosha.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  343. “armed and looking for a fight”

    “Yes! Yes, they were!”
    Good citizens are entitled to carry personal protection-that happens to be a right that all law-abiding Americans share.

    Are you arguing that the lawless behavior of the criminal Portland class in coordination with the local government, for political ends, should be considered normative? Defensible? Worthy of being treated as a ‘side’ that actually respectable people can take? As being a ‘city quirk’ deserving of so much respect that Americans should give up their basic minimum American rights when they go to Portland, so that the egos of the precious city leadership aren’t inconvenienced? Do you respect their right to orderly governance more than you respect Trumps?

    It is not. And the people who pretend it is reveal their utter moral bankruptcy whenever they defend any aspect of it.

    Law-abiding citizens are MORE VALUABLE than criminals.

    Law-abiding citizens are MORE TRUSTWORTHY than criminals.

    Law-abiding citizens are MORE WORTHY OF YOUR SYMPATHY than criminals.

    And the people who defend anyone in the well-known Democrat criminal/defender/judge/public employee stack when a law-abiding citizen is killed by a criminal are immediately suspect.

    “They don’t live in Portland. What part of what goes on there is any of their business?”

    What a hayseed urbanite thing to say. Next you’ll tell me all dem white folks who came down from Yankee-town to sit at segregated lunch counters shoulda minded dey business too. Or are protests against corrupt regional governments only good when Democrats do it? Get bent.

    Bendy Machine (45a198)

  344. “The right-wing group Patriot Prayer and self-proclaimed militia members drove into downtown Portland last night, armed and looking for a fight,”

    And? This is like Kenosha, generic “bad guys” can be victims. Being a stupid person isn’t a justification to get shot, heck, being a criminal isn’t either.

    Being stupid will put you in situations where your decisions are more likely to get you into trouble, fatal trouble. Especially if the stupid decision is fueled by group think amping up the stupid, opposed by another stupid group making stupid decisions being egged on by their own group stupidity.

    I’m, frankly, shocked that it’s only happened twice (no definitive proof that it is Portland was protest related, but the odds are stacked in that direction, but there have been 40 other shootings in Portland this year, so there’s a chance) this week. I could see either an escalation of the current low body count, or one significant mass shooting, in this environment I’d guess it’s 50/50. The country needs to ratchet down the tension, but that’s not to anyone’s political interest at this moment, plus we have a notorious web presence literally fanning the flames.

    Like with Covid, stay home when you can, have your PPE when you’re not, and if you see a congregation of stupid people, turn around and go the other way, especially if it’s late at night.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  345. They seem to doing everything to nourish the outbreak instead of atamping it out

    https://mobile.twitter.com/SohrabAhmari/status/1300036297248120834

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  346. And randomly mining twitter to find a nugget of stupid gold is a is not a taxing job, it’s a very shallow mine, it’s just what the hole is filled with, fool’s gold, nary a nugget of the real to be found.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  347. As opposed to the pony you seek in vladeks justification of lawless behavior

    https://www.denverpost.com/2020/08/27/four-men-sentenced-injuring-arvada-officer-chlorine-bomb/amp/

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  348. More violence brought to our streets by Trump:

    https://ktla.com/news/local-news/some-buildings-evacuated-in-woodland-hills-after-reports-of-person-with-gun/

    Officers responded Sunday to reports of possible shots fired on a Woodland Hills street where a large caravan of Trump supporters was passing through Sunday morning, according to LAPD.

    A woman driving past the caravan on Ventura Boulevard said she heard what sounded like gunshots around 11:30 a.m. and then noticed her tire went flat after being damaged by a projectile, possibly a bullet, Los Angeles Police Department spokesman Officer Will Cooper said.

    Another person then told police that a person with a firearm was in a balcony in a nearby apartment building in the 20600 block of Ventura Boulevard, according to LAPD spokesman Josh Rubenstein.

    beer ‘n pretzels (66ab3d)

  349. Evan McMullin
    @EvanMcMullin

    If you’re out there rioting and vandalizing, you’re helping Trump win. He’s exploiting you. Please stop.
    __ _

    Rich Lowry
    @RichLowry
    ·
    I hate this argument. The reason not to riot and loot is that it is always wrong and harms innocent people. Whether it helps Trump shouldn’t have anything to do with it. Guess what? Rioting was wrong even when Barack Obama was president
    _ _

    Kamala Harris
    @KamalaHarris
    ·
    I join @JoeBiden in condemning this violence. This can not—and must not—be who we are. Americans deserve a president who will heal our country and bring people together—not fan the flames of hate and division. twitter.com/JoeBiden/statu…
    __ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
    ·
    You sent a link to bail out rioters in Minneapolis.
    _ _

    Jon Lenin
    @TMalcolm74
    ·
    Ironically, by now reversing course on the msm’s previous narrative now adding “you’re helping Trump”, they unwittingly reveal that they believe they CAN exert control over the rioters, hence the desperate appeal. But when they thought it was hurting trump, then it’s burn & loot.

    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  350. 238.

    Here’s some Greek island bagpipe music for you, Redegunda, the way bagpipe music was meant to be played. The name of the song is “Oh, Devil’s Daughter!”
    nk (1d9030) — 8/30/2020 @ 9:34 am

    Guy looks like he’s sucking something out of a pig’s bladder. Or as Trump calls it, foreplay.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  351. Chris Cillizza
    @CillizzaCNN

    Trump’s efforts to label what is happening in major cities as “riots” speaks at least somewhat to his desperation, politically speaking, at the moment

    https://twitter.com/CillizzaCNN/status/1300215461309710336?s=20
    _ _

    John Hawkins
    @johnhawkinsrwn
    ·
    Replying to
    @CillizzaCNN

    Do you…do you realize there is a building on fire in the picture of a riot that you are using to illustrate your article about there not being riots?
    __ _

    FM29
    @FMUSA29
    ·
    “FDR’s efforts to label what happened in Pearl Harbor as a ‘surprise attack by the Japanese’ speaks at least somewhat to his desperation, politically speaking, at the moment.”

    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  352. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/sunday-morning-coming-down-106.php
    Saw him in Milano on St. Paddys day in the 90’s – Super show.

    mg (8cbc69)

  353. The late Senator Robert Byrd could have told those Pet Rock Priers what they really are. They are “white [somethings]” and it’s not “supremacists”, it’s a word that begin with “n-” and ends in “-rs”. Real white people don’t go to gangfights in caravans to “protest”. They call the police and tell them “Can you do something about that noise down the street, I have to go to work tomorrow?” and the police say “Yes, sir, we’ll send a car over”. That’s what white people do. They’re funny that way.

    nk (1d9030)

  354. I like this Daily Mail story about the Portland shooting. It shows a picture of the “victim” wearing a t-shirt lettered in Russian. It also claims that he was pushing people around and macing them before he was shot.

    nk (1d9030)

  355. from a year ago,

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2019/05/21/report-shows-online-ties-linking-huffpost-the-guardian-and-splc-to-antifa-n65988

    that’s unlike the russian spy who was actually in our most secure communications for 20 years,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  356. unsurprising,

    https://nypost.com/2020/08/30/fleet-of-moving-trucks-mark-exodus-from-manhattans-troubled-upper-west-side/

    I imagine gotham on lake michigan, has a similar pattern out to the suburbs,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  357. one of the few things I might agree with biden is on his vote against the gulf war,

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/08/muslim-cleric-denounces-peace-agreements-jews-robert-spencer/

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  358. Christians are not looking for a savior, they be looking for a bodyguard.

    mg (8cbc69)

  359. I imagine gotham on lake michigan, has a similar pattern out to the suburbs,

    Imagination is a wonderful thing. Single-family frame house down the street, 30 x 120-foot lot, just sold for $550,000. How are real estate prices where you at?

    nk (1d9030)

  360. He misses the fact its often not what happens in silk stocking districts, it what happens in the next layers out in the favored quarter. Is there much of a North Side/ Near NW side hipster exodus?

    urbanleftbehind (2641dd)

  361. Just the opposite, urbanleftbehind. Old Irving Park is booming. Half a mile west, across from Schurz high school, Archie Bunker style two-story frame rowhouses were snapped up at half a million each. And the same thing half a mile north, on Avondale, with a train on the other side of the street, 100 feet from their windows.

    nk (1d9030)

  362. Flynn has lost his appeal for an immediate dismissal of the charges. Henderson and Rao dissented. Judge Sullivan may hold a hearing.

    I think Flynn can appeal to the supreme court, but that will likely take longer than would Sullivan holding the hearing.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  363. More bad news for Trump. This time it’s a military times poll indicating that more service members prefer Biden.

    The latest Military Times poll shows a continued decline in active-duty service members’ views of President Donald Trump and a slight but significant preference for former Vice President Joe Biden in the upcoming November election among troops surveyed.

    The results, collected before the political conventions earlier this month, appear to undercut claims from the president that his support among military members is strong thanks to big defense budget increases in recent years and promised moves to draw down troops from overseas conflict zones.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  364. Judges dont care about blatant false statements my prosecutors good to know.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  365. Yup. Patterico was right.

    The majority states:

    In sum, as to Petitioner’s request that we mandate the
    immediate grant of the Government’s motion and vacate the
    District Court’s order appointing amicus,

    …and:

    We also decline to mandate the reassignment of this case
    to a different district judge,

    …and:

    As the underlying criminal case resumes
    in the District Court, we trust and expect the District Court to
    proceed with appropriate dispatch.

    So ordered.

    The dissents are blistering… holey batman!

    …and no Time123…SCOTUS won’t touch this with ~60 days till election.

    You want a sh!t show… well, get ready for some Gleasen/Sullivan sh!t show.

    whembly (c30c83)

  366. @399… they denied the defendant’s motions. All of it. Just to be clear…

    whembly (c30c83)

  367. Servicemen vote by mail and they saw that Trump was doing his best to disenfranchise them?

    nk (1d9030)

  368. Many are twittering that the “read between the lines” in the majority of
    we expect the District Court to proceed with appropriate dispatch.”

    Seems like a signal to Sullivan to get rid of this case without more fooling around.

    I doubt he’ll get that message….

    whembly (c30c83)

  369. The same judge gleason that let off mega laundry hsbc with a fine and a slap on the wrist.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  370. Thats what the democrats actually did in 2000, military times might as well be the puffington host in fatigues.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  371. …and no Time123…SCOTUS won’t touch this with ~60 days till election.

    You want a sh!t show… well, get ready for some Gleasen/Sullivan sh!t show.

    whembly (c30c83) — 8/31/2020 @ 10:03 am

    I agree, but it would not surprise me if they agreed to take the case, and then we get a ruling some time in 2021.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  372. https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/08/in-defense-of-looting-seriously-leftist-author-went-there/

    The left wants the Reign of Terror to run supreme on our shores.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  373. About the Flynn decision, it was 8-2, with the only two dissents coming from the overruled judges.
    Good for the DC Circuit Court for not opening up a legal can of worms on Writ of Mandamus.
    Judge Sullivan may very well agree on the Motion to Dismiss, and now we’ll actually get to see the judge make the ruling he should’ve made in the first place.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Barr or Powell or both appeal to the Supreme Court, where I hope they’ll refuse to hear the case.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  374. The next Lawrence v. Texas to be followed by the next Obergefell v. Hodges? https://knewz.com/massachusetts-mom-son-incest/

    nk (1d9030)

  375. @393 “Single-family frame house down the street, 30 x 120-foot lot, just sold for $550,000. How are real estate prices where you at?”

    I don’t know what part of the country you live in, nk, but a house like you describe might sell for $50,000 here. And I emphasize *might*.

    For $550,000, here, you could buy a mansion on a quarter-acre. I’m talking about a two-story brick home: 5,000 sf, 4 bedroom, 3 bath, with a master suite that includes a shower and dual vanities; a half bath downstairs; formal living and dining; breakfast nook; equipped kitchen; a study or home office; wood-fenced back yard with an in-ground pool, tennis court or both; in a gated community.

    I know, because I’ve not only inspected, but listed and sold properties just like that. I have been in more houses than you can imagine–everything from run-down shacks that weren’t worth the value of the lot they were left rotting on to multi-million dollar mansions on private islands.

    I stopped thinking about it a long, long time ago, like when I was seven. To me, real estate drives people out of their minds. And I ought to know, because I’ve been working in real estate, in one way or another, since the summer after second grade.

    I have been in so many houses, apartments, condos, commercial buildings, offices, name it I’ve seen it. Been there, done that. I have researched and written comparative market analyses, recommended price opinions, contracted workers for approved repairs, for more properties than I can count. From confused memory, I would guess the number exceeds 2,000, maybe 3,000.

    It got to where I could walk through a house and tell you, right then, right there, what it *might* sell for. And that was before I did any research. Just my initial impression, from walking through the house or property at first entering. I was the realtor-on-the-scene. And you know what? Just about every price opinion I recommended was accurate to within +/- 5% of the eventual sales price.

    I did my job. I said, from the beginning, this house or property will probably sell for $X in the next six months, in this market, at this time. I was accurate over 95% of the time.

    This I know. Anyone who would pay $550,000 for a house like you describe is an IDIOT.

    What are the utilities? What are the property taxes? What are the maintenance fees?

    Oh, that’s right. You didn’t think about any of that, just like the idiot buyer. Sounds like a recipe for foreclosure to me. I have seen it over and over again for decades.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  376. The Breanna Taylor story here is a long but important read. There was a long trail and incompetence that led to her death, but I didn’t know the actually “how”. Her apartment was on the first floor and there is a patio with sliders in the back. She wasn’t killed by the guys who stormed the front door. Rather, it was by the wild unaimed and untargeted shots that went through the sliders and killed her. One of the bullets went into another apartment where a pregnant woman lived.
    LPD authorities figured out who actually killed Ms. Taylor and they fired the detective, a guy who had a history.
    None of the officers had bodycams, and it’s why her story filtered through in only bits and pieces. Video is a powerful medium, and the lack of it meant that her story could only be told by eyewitnesses. The same NYT story linked to this YouTube, which shows the traffic stop of Te-Ahn Lee, and I recommend watching all 32:48. More than one of the cops were being complete a$$holes, all because of a “wide turn”, for not turning onto the right lane and then signaling into the left lane.
    After watching it, I was more pissed off about a non-violent confrontation with police than with the violent death of Ms. Taylor, but that is the influence of visual medium. The result of the stop was a body search, handcuffs, and car search by humans and drug-sniffing dog. If his mom wasn’t a juvenile probation officer, Mr. Lee’s story probably wouldn’t have been told.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  377. What are the utilities? What are the property taxes? What are the maintenance fees?

    Nope. What is the location? What is the location? What is the location?

    nk (1d9030)

  378. Paul,

    That T-Ahn Lee video is sickening. I couldn’t make out the location. Some Texas sh!thole?

    nk (1d9030)

  379. Monday, Joe took a trip.

    The flight distance between Wilmington, Delaware and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania is approximately 240 miles each way — and the flight time is 29 minutes. Each way.

    Golly, Joe– jet lag is really rough to recover from, ain’t it…

    Accordingly:

    Plagiarist JoeyBee has no live events scheduled for today, Tuesday.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  380. Gawain’s Ghost @409. Isn’t there the old adage that the three most important factors in the value of a house are: Location, location, and location.

    Now that’s mostly what else is there or nearby and also maybe what’s not there.

    Sometimes it is sales. The whole city of Chicago is a real estate speculation. A lie that came true. There’s no reason for a big city to be there. Another real estate speculation, dating from the 1920s, is Miami.

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2)

  381. I couldn’t make out the location. Some Texas sh!thole?

    It was Louisville, which is all the more reason they need some serious reform.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  382. I just tried to find an adjective for those cops and the first word that came into my head was “pitiful”. Really low quality persons.

    nk (1d9030)

  383. Louisville is one of a handful of cities in Kentucky that elect partisan city officials. A Democratic stronghold, the city — technically a consolidated city-county government since 2003 — hasn’t had a Republican mayor since 1969.

    The measure is sponsored by Lexington Rep. Stan Lee and Elizabethtown Rep. Jim DuPlessis, both Republicans and is viewed by some Democrats as a power grab from the GOP-dominated legislature.

    Bill Dieruf is the nonpartisan mayor of Jeffersontown, an independent city within Metro Louisville. A registered Republican rumored to be considering a run for Louisville mayor, Dieruf said that on a local level, people shouldn’t care about political parties.

    “Jefferson County has not moved the needle one inch amongst our competing cities. We need to do something, we need to have it where the ability to move forward is not stymied by the local law that says it has to be partisan,” Dieruf said.

    Democrats hold 19 of the Louisville Metro Council’s 26 seats and the city’s electorate is comprised of 57% Democrats and 32% Republicans

    https://www.wfpl.org/ky-republicans-push-to-make-louisville-mayor-council-races-nonpartisan/

    BuDuh (fbb658)

  384. And speaking of long but important reads, here’s one by Dexter Filkins, and his tale of the travails of Ms. Riddle and others is one more reason he’s one of my favorite journalists.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  385. Another possible way to stop hurricanes: (without futilely attempting to affect the overall climate)

    https://www.wired.com/story/can-a-bubble-net-stop-a-hurricane-some-norwegians-think-so

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2)


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