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8/26/2020

Milwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game [UPDATED x2]

Filed under: General — JVW @ 2:17 pm



[guest post by JVW]

Amidst a resumed season taking place in a bubble environment and with plummeting television ratings, the Milwaukee Bucks basketball team has apparently decided to sit out tonight’s scheduled NBA playoff game against the Orlando Magic. Here’s part of Sports Illustrated’s report:

The team’s decision comes as a response to the police shooting of Jacob Blake, a 29-year-old Black man who was shot by police multiple times in the back Sunday in Kenosha, Wisc.

Prior to Wednesday’s tipoff, which was scheduled just after 4 p.m. ET, the Bucks did not come out to the court to warm up. According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, top NBA executives went outside Milwaukee’s locker room around 4 p.m. ET.

At around the time of the game’s initially scheduled start, the Magic returned to their locker room. According to The Athletic’s Joe Vardon and Shams Charania, the Magic are waiting to hear officially from the league as to what will happen.

“We’re not coming out for a while,” Bucks general manager Jon Horst said. “There will be a team statement.”

Bucks SVP Alex Lasry tweeted his support of the team, stating “I’m incredibly proud of our guys and we stand 100% behind our players ready to assist and bring about real change.”

The Blake police shooting appears to have strongly impacted countless players and coaches in the Orlando bubble.

Bucks guard George Hill, who left the team’s locker room wearing a “Change the Narrative” shirt, told The Undefeated’s Marc Spears that the team is not playing in light of the Blake shooting. “We’re tired of the killings and the injustice,” Hill said.

Hill said Monday he regretted coming to the NBA bubble amid all that is going on in society. “We can’t do anything [from Orlando],” Hill said. “First of all, we shouldn’t have even came to this damn place, to be honest. I think coming here just took all the focal points off what the issues are.”

The Bucks said in a statement Monday that, “We stand firmly against reoccurring issues of excessive use of force and immediate escalation when engaging the black community.

Theoretically, one squad deciding unilaterally not to play a game should count as a forfeit, so the Bucks who entered the game with a 3-1 games lead in the best-of-seven series should find their lead cut to 3-2 when and if the next scheduled game commences on Friday. But something tells me that the NBA is going to allow this game to be rescheduled, in the dictates of social justice.

On a small scale I suppose this move “brings awareness” to the issue of Jacob Blake’s shooting, but I don’t really see it accomplishing anything in a broader sense. And it would be a riot (probably literally) if Florida Governor Ron DeSantis responded by shutting down the league for the rest of the season, suddenly expressing fears about COVID-19 infections in the Sunshine State. We survived for three months without the NBA; rest assured most of us can survive until the 2020-21 season begins.

UPDATE: ESPN, a television partner of the NBA, reports that all three NBA playoff games scheduled for tonight are to be “postponed.”

UPDATE II: Shams Charania of The Athletic has a pretty fascinating report:

– JVW

110 Responses to “Milwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game [UPDATED x2]”

  1. NBA action: it’s woke-tastic.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  2. UPDATE: ESPN, a television partner of the NBA, reports that all three NBA playoff games scheduled for tonight are to be “postponed.”

    JVW (ee64e4)

  3. Let it burn. They are destroying their own league and hopefully their paychecks with it.

    NJRob (12a919)

  4. Fortunately, have the January, 1980 Super Bowl 14 on DVD, (transferred from Beta- yes Beta) to watch. Love seein’ them Steelers beat the LA Rams over and over. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  5. While I think it is a stupid and futile move, the Bucks franchise seems to be an acquired taste for the denizens of Wisconsin. I think the players on the Bucks think this doesn’t cost them much in terms of fans who could theoretically “leave”. Note I have a pretty good of bumper and SUV back window sticker fandom…I see a lot of the Packer G, the Brewer ball-in-glove “MB”, and the Badger W, and one sticker that mashes all 3. But I’ve never seen a mashup that also had the Bucks included in it. Maybe back in the Lew Alcindor or Sidney Moncrief era, but I was born in 73 and was a mere kid during the latter’s time.

    urbanleftbehind (efe50a)

  6. Noah Blum on Twitter seems to have located the problem with this:

    Is it really an act of defiance if one team says they aren't playing, the other team is like "cool, it's not a forfeit," the other teams join too, and the league is like "okie dokie, no problemo. Raincheck"? Who are they standing up to, the people who wanted to watch the games? https://t.co/lE4gE5w2mS— Noam Blum (@neontaster) August 26, 2020

    JVW (ee64e4)

  7. After the shooting and killing of protestors in kenosha wisconsin the black community is finally realizing being disarmed is not such a good idea. The democrat establishment supports gun control in the ghetto to non criminal blacks disarmed on orders from the corporate state.

    asset (4d9876)

  8. …meh, wasn’t watching them anyways.

    whembly (c30c83)

  9. Why don’t the “sit out” the whole season, and the management “sit out” their paychecks. Wouldn’t that be an even bigger and better protest?

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  10. It’s going to be amazing three months from now when the same players and league are telling us why it’s totally OK for them to be playing regular season games in China, that little matter of genocide against the Uyghurs notwithstanding.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  11. the NBA is owned by nike which is owned by china

    mg (8cbc69)

  12. It’s going to be amazing three months from now when the same players and league are telling us why it’s totally OK for them to be playing regular season games in China, that little matter of genocide against the Uyghurs notwithstanding.

    JVW (ee64e4) — 8/26/2020 @ 3:30 pm

    Ugh. You’re absolutely right in pointing that out. The Bucks’ decision just serves to remind me that the NBA is a spineless group of dribblers. Get back to me when they make a public stand for human rights on behalf of the group facing an attempted genocide!

    Dana (292df6)

  13. There is apparently an NBA-wide player meeting coming up in a half-hour in the Orlando bubble, in which the players are going to decide whether or not they want to continue on with the season. I hope they pull the plug on it. I mean, they’ve already been paid their prorated regular season contractual salaries and probably some if not all of their shoe endorsement money. Why spend another six weeks in Orlando just for the measly playoff share that are given out? Better to rest up and get ready to open the 2020-21 season in Bejing, Shanghi, Nanjing, and Guangzhao.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  14. Funny how they weren’t going to boycott while China enslaves millions.

    Oh, that’s right. NBA is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Chinese Communist Party.

    Mao is proud, NBAers!

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  15. I enjoy agreeing with JVW and Dana on something.

    mg (8cbc69)

  16. Lebaby James and his victimhood jive is tiresome.

    mg (8cbc69)

  17. You just blocked me from twitter. Fine, no prob. But you should know that I have been an admirer of you for years, dating back before RedState let all you decent people go. I agree with you most of the time. I get it, you’re mad about things, I am too. No reason to block me.

    Pamela Westenskow (850bdf)

  18. There is no right to resist arrest. Comply, you will go home, since nobody goes to jail anyway. And then you can fight your case in court. You do not have the right to fight cops.This is all tiresome nonsense.

    Bugg (024e40)

  19. Resisting arrest is not a capital offense.

    nk (1d9030)

  20. In most places, it’s not even a felony if you do not hit, kick, or bite the cop.

    nk (1d9030)

  21. nk:That’s empty and trite,and frankly very bad legal advice. If you put police in the position of thinking you are resisting to the point you mean them harm, it might be. And it might be totally justified. I have relatives and clients who have been in situations on both sides of the law.Some on the wrong side were intoxicated. And when someone made the mistake of being dumb enough to get arrested I told them to let the cops do their job and don’t resist. They all managed to get home safely. There is nothing to be gained.This is common sense. Heck, there’s Chris Rock video that makes that exact point. ENOUGH. Why do we have to walk on eggshells rather than tell people simple basic common sense? We do a disservice otherwise.

    Bugg (024e40)

  22. My first comment about it, Bugg, was

    The heat must have knocked out my “what if” and “but what” generators. Put me down as the lady jumping up and down and screaming hysterically on the left of the screen.

    I still feel that way. It’s horror that cannot be denied, bargained, or accepted.

    nk (1d9030)

  23. UPDATE II: Shams Charania of The Athletic has a pretty fascinating report:

    Sources: The Lakers and Clippers have voted to boycott the NBA season. Most other teams voted to continue. LeBron James has exited the meeting.— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) August 27, 2020

    JVW (ee64e4)

  24. Can we (fire) them, to paraphrase fionna glennane (its a shame theyve moved burn notice out of syndication.)

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  25. Whoever does these graphs predicts an overnight dip in Nike’s share price.

    nk (1d9030)

  26. Nothing like a bunch of entitled overpaid jackalopes, who most recently thought they were too fragile to play in the first place.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  27. This meeting sounds like it was an in person meeting. If there are 10+ teams still in the NBA playoffs, 14 to a roster…unless it took place in the arena or a large ballroom with 1 player each at one large table…that’s a hell of a social distancing violation anywhere (but Florida, where the NBA bubble is located).

    Impromptu Covid Immersion Party.

    urbanleftbehind (5f9c18)

  28. “ Who are they standing up to, the people who wanted to watch the games?”

    – Noah Blum

    Uh… yeah, dude. The vast American audience who would prefer for them to play their bread and circuses game like everything is hunky-dory? That’s exactly who they’re standing up to.

    Leviticus (14d8a0)

  29. And I’m pretty sure most of these guys aren’t in danger of being shot by the Chinese government during a traffic stop. Americans can’t fathom why black American NBA players might be more concerned about American police killing black Americans than Chinese government officials oppressing Chinese minorities?

    Leviticus (14d8a0)

  30. Pay them $20 or $30 million to play, make some billionaires by paying them to let you put their name on your products, you can’t blame them for thinking they matter to you.

    nk (1d9030)

  31. They are paid to play, not philosophize or commit felonies on their down time.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  32. Most of the folks here should be old enough to remember Muhammad Ali’s famous quote about the Viet Cong.

    Leviticus (c3a428)

  33. Desmond doss didnt pick up a gun, but still served,

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  34. I’m not, but Mr. Google helped. Sergeant Alvin York had similar sentiments, but no alternate path to fame and fortune.

    nk (1d9030)

  35. 32. The philosophy is gratis, so you get what you pay for. And who’s committing felonies? Do you mean the vigilante, murdering MAGA kid? Because if that’s Luca Doncic, he sure looks shorter on cell phone video.

    The upshot is, Trump’s fever dreams notwithstanding, not only are taking a knee and boycotting perfectly legal, but attempting to criminalize them would be unconstitutional, in case that matters to you.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  36. Most of the folks here should be old enough to remember Muhammad Ali’s famous quote about the Viet Cong.

    Yes, something quite profound and noble, equivalent to me saying “I don’t have no personal quarrel with those white cops.”

    beer ‘n pretzels (28b671)

  37. “ And I’m pretty sure most of these guys aren’t in danger of being shot by the Chinese government during a traffic stop. Americans can’t fathom why black American NBA players might be more concerned about American police killing black Americans than Chinese government officials oppressing Chinese minorities?”
    __

    Nice straw man.

    The players not only think that cops shooting blacks is more important (although if they looked at the real numbers they’d know that it’s blacks killing every other race at a much higher rate), when an NBA coach merely said he supported the Hong Kong protesters (which should be a no- brainer) many of these spoiled nitwits were concerned enough to try and get him fired/disciplined because they feared it would cut into their profit margin. If they can’t even fathom that hypocrisy it’s no wonder they’re being played by the race-baiting agitprop BLM movement.

    They truly think they’re heroes when they don’t realize they are being played as a diversion so people won’t look at the very real pathologies in the community.

    If Black Lives really Mattered they be cancelling their season till the young black men in South Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit etc stopped the wholesale slaughter of their own people, kids included.

    It won’t start healing until they prize intact families, self-reliance and an education more than riots and misplaced heroes/martyrs and also stop voting in representatives who have never delivered on real solutions.
    _

    As to the season, I watched parts of a few games but I won’t miss it if it goes away. The ratings are already lower than golf maybe they’ll learn how low it can go.
    _
    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  38. I remember Muhammad Ali holding up a monkey doll in Joe Frazier’s face and calling him a gorilla.
    _

    harkin (cd4502)


  39. Yamiche Alcindor
    @Yamiche
    ·
    Madison Cawthorn made it a point to stand, suggesting that all Americans to should stand during the pledge of allegiance & national anthem.

    It was a direct rebuke of actions by ppl — including black athletes who are currently sitting out games — protesting police brutality.
    __ _

    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    ·
    This activist found a way to turn a paraplegic standing up in his wheelchair an act of white supremacy

    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  40. Americans can’t fathom why black American NBA players might be more concerned about American police killing black Americans than Chinese government officials oppressing Chinese minorities?

    Good Lord, Leviticus, you think it is asking too much of the pampered little darlings to spare a thought for people undergoing genocide while the oppressed black millionaires who are protected by the police from riff-raff like me rake in China’s blood money, just because guys (allegedly) whacked out on fentanyl or resisting an arrest for trespassing while having an outstanding rape warrant end up dead or maimed at the hands of the police? I’m guessing you don’t really have such a low opinion of these elite athletes as that.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  41. All three, York, Doss and Ali, were “on the right side of history”. York arguably the least, Mr. Wilson’s war only set the stage for a much worse one, but that wasn’t York’s fault.

    nk (1d9030)

  42. And seriously, is this going to be a new thing among professional sports leagues? Any time any black person is killed by the police for almost any reason, the league is going to choose to shut down until the rest of us fix that? Because if that really is what the long range plan is, some of these guys who only did one year of college might want to go back and get their degrees, because they might find that getting millions of dollars for putting a ball in a hoop is no longer a viable career option.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  43. Yes, something quite profound and noble, equivalent to me saying “I don’t have no personal quarrel with those white cops.”

    beer ‘n pretzels (28b671) — 8/26/2020 @ 9:17 pm

    Nine out of ten Americans at that time did not know who the Viet Cong were or where Viet Nam (sic) was. Do you, now, BTW, Mr. beer ‘n pretzels?

    nk (1d9030)

  44. How do you think the owners feel knowing that they invested millions or billions in some cases in teams they no longer own.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  45. Leviticus hit the bullseye with “bread and circuses”. The purpose of organized sports is to lull the proles. (You might have noticed that they’re even more glorified in totalitarian countries than they are here?) So, now, if not playing placates the masses more than playing would, they are still fulfilling their societal function.

    nk (1d9030)

  46. Yes they dont even know their function, and they dont bother to inform themselves on issues (the same can be said of the times editorial board)

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  47. Ot tenet looks like its going to be a good film, but with nolans caveat of being too long.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  48. Nine out of ten Americans at that time did not know who the Viet Cong were or where Viet Nam (sic) was. Do you, now, BTW, Mr. beer ‘n pretzels?

    My wife was born in Saigon just months after the VC took it. She and her family were treated more harshly and unjustly than most any AA in the US. GFY

    beer ‘n pretzels (f6fadb)

  49. We do know now, thanks to mark moyar, that kennedy, not for the firsr time, seriously set back any progress long before the marines landed.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  50. Btw he did have a knife, could we stop wncouraging people to act stupidly before law enforcement, lets try that.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  51. After seeing Rittenhouse walk down the street after killing a couple of people, carrying his visible assault rifle while waving at SWAT vehicles as they’re driving by, while Jacob Blake was shot in the back seven times, I disagree, the professional athletes have a point in canceling their games. This double standard in Kenosha needs to be spotlighted.
    This is actually worse than George Floyd because we’re seeing law enforcement treating an armed white-skinned kid one way, and treating a black man in the same city–who may have been carrying a knife–completely differently. There’s a real problem here, folks.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  52. Yes these criminals should be back in prison, but its the law abiding who are sequestered while whole lifetimes of hard work go up in flame, it maybe be a generation before these cities return to normal that is the point. Remember who wrote up this blueprint.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  53. How many criminals have been let loose by gardner foxx, krasner, et al, that is a recipe for social peace, i dont think so.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  54. This much gaslighting could take out a city block

    https://mobile.twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1298854359107661824

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  55. There was a time when they were interested in noble causes:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1298808773436411905

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  56. This is actually worse than George Floyd because we’re seeing law enforcement treating an armed white-skinned kid one way, and treating a black man in the same city–who may have been carrying a knife–completely differently. There’s a real problem here, folks.

    Like, for instance, they are put at ease by militia members who introduce themselves to law enforcement and treat them with respect, as opposed to an uncooperative guy who is having a domestic dispute with his girlfriend or the folks wearing black masks who scream and toss firecrackers at them? Gosh, what a concept:

    Rittenhouse’s interactions with police and those of his fellow militia members have been cordial during the Kenosha protests, according to accounts from reporters and videos shared on social media.

    In one of the video clips, shot late Tuesday night, a law enforcement officer in an armored vehicle gives bottles of water to a group of armed men that includes Rittenhouse. The officer thanks the men for their help, though they are clearly civilians in violation of the city’s 8 p.m. curfew.

    “We appreciate you guys,” the officer says. “We really do.”

    One has to wonder if the cowardly governor had perhaps been willing to accept more National Guard troops to begin with, maybe Kenosha law enforcement wouldn’t have felt as if they needed an alliance with militia groups. But no, it’s an article of faith among the left that having more uniformed law enforcement on the scene exacerbates violence, so the cops and sheriffs are ordered to tread lightly on that whole “enforcement” part of law enforcement.

    And other than breathless commenters on the Internet I haven’t heard any suggestions that in the aftermath of the shooting Kenosha law enforcement necessarily knew it was Rittenhouse who was the culprit, so this attitude of “Oh my God, they let him just walk away from the scene of the crime!” seems to me to be a bit misplaced. It’s not as if he is still at large or they had any trouble finding him earlier this morning.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  57. They didn’t even check his ID, JVW. Had they done so, they would’ve known his age and that he was illegally carrying an assault rifle. But no, Rittenhouse was cordial, and two people died because he was a 17-year old (remember what being a juiced-up 17-year old was like?) breaking the law without anyone even bothering to see if he should been bearing that long rifle in the first place.
    Nah, this was worse than Floyd because we just saw how both sides were treated, not just a brown-skinned guy with a boot on his neck.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  58. Paul,

    Any reason they should’ve asked for his papers?

    Asking for a friend…

    NJRob (762eb5)

  59. 55.

    This much gaslighting could take out a city block

    https://mobile.twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1298854359107661824
    Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/26/2020 @ 10:29 pm

    Sorry, never mind. I saw “gaslighting” and assumed you must be referring to Mike Pence implying tonight that David Patrick Underwood was murdered by BLM rioters, when the killer was actually a far RW Boogaloo Boy.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  60. ‘Amidst a resumed season taking place in a bubble environment and with plummeting television ratings…’

    Speaking of ‘bubble environments and plummeting television ratings’– and somewhat OT, there’s something more entertaining than B-ball; like watching a hurricane on the TeeVee- certainly more captivating than NBA basketball– as Weather Channel personnel play ‘dodge ball’ reporting LIVE amidst a 150 mph hurricane, avoiding debris as their surroundings disintegrate, bounce around and fly off it the darkness. They have to be a little sadistic to put themselves at such personal risk for TeeVee pictures of fierce wind and rain.

    No foul shots– but plenty of foul weather shots.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  61. Razor
    @hale_razor

    NBA players funded by oppressive foreign police state protest American police.
    __ _

    Clay Travis
    @ClayTravis
    ·
    The NBA never said no to the players. They okayed everything — political messages on jerseys, kneeling for the national anthem, political messages on the court itself — and it still wasn’t enough. And now their business doesn’t exist. Lesson: you can’t ever be woke enough.
    __ _

    (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio
    ·
    On CNN, Jake Tapper is mad that RNC speakers are “dehumanizing” the mobs of rioters burning down businesses and targeting cops.
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    Allie Beth Stuckey
    @conservmillen
    ·
    Liberals suddenly want the riots to stop because they realize it’s hurting their election chances. Conservatives have always wanted the riots to stop even though we know it’s helping our election chances. The former cares about votes, the latter about lives.
    __ _

    RunninCM
    @RunninCm
    ·
    Im pretty sure donald sterling probably has a huge smile tonight.
    __ _

    Dave Petroziello
    @dpetr12676
    ·
    I’m guessing Donald Sterling is pretty senile at this point and doesn’t have much of an idea what is going on
    __ _

    Tyler Durden
    @TylerJoeDurden
    ·
    Maybe kicking it with Biden.

    __ _

    harkin (cd4502)

  62. Any reason they should’ve asked for his papers?

    Yes. It’s illegal in Wisconsin for a minor to possess firearms without adult supervision. Bartenders card 30-year olds if they look anywhere close to 21.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  63. Had they done so, they would’ve known his age and that he was illegally carrying an assault rifle.

    Carrying an “assault rifle” when under 18 in Wisconsin is a Class A misdemeanor. We’re not going to stop people from burning down local businesses, but let’s order driver’s license checks on every single militia member toting a gun, especially those ones who have treated us cordially and respectfully. Seems logical.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  64. Bartenders card 30-year olds if they look anywhere close to 21.

    Do cops stop random drivers with baby faces to demand proof that they are old enough to drive? Especially during a period when half the cars on the road are drunk drivers plowing through stop signs?

    JVW (ee64e4)

  65. JVW, what was the law for firing seven rounds into a brown-skinned guy’s back?
    As I see it, the point of law enforcement is to enforce the law, which includes keeping lethal weapons out of the hands of unsupervised minors. It’s a tough job that police have, but I’m not seeing how an officer seeing a long rifle slung across a teenager’s back is going to help a situation where a protest turned into an illegal riot. One standard, applied to all.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  66. Lol at only enforcing laws against young looking armed citizens/drivers/alcohol purchasers while letting rioters do whatever they like.

    These Democratic-run cities are broken beyond help I fear.

    And remember, they care nothing about lifting people up, only making sure that they spread their own misery to everyone else.
    __ _

    harkin (cd4502)

  67. As I see it, the point of law enforcement is to enforce the law, which includes keeping lethal weapons out of the hands of unsupervised minors.

    It also means preventing people from torching businesses, but we’ve seen that law enforcement is pretty ineffective there too.

    Seriously, I don’t think you quite understand what law enforcement in Kenosha faced that evening. The state’s cowardly governor refused the suggestion that 500 more National Guardsmen be called in, thus I think it’s understandable if law enforcement felt overwhelmed and outmatched. So when the militia members showed up and pledged support for law enforcement, even if the Kenosha folks would normally have discouraged that sort of thing I can completely understand why that particular night they felt a temporary alliance — or at the very least a truce — was in their best interest. That being the case, why in the world would they go around demanding IDs from people carrying weapons? Maybe you would have played Super Cop in that situation, but I can understand why the Kenosha folks chose not to. It’s the same reason why law enforcement in Portland, Seattle, Santa Monica, Minneapolis, Denver, and other cities believes they are better off letting some degree of sacking and looting go on rather than try to crack down on it. Blame the cowardly government officials for not giving them more support to do their jobs.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  68. Lol at only enforcing laws against young looking armed citizens/drivers/alcohol purchasers while letting rioters do whatever they like.

    I didn’t say that, so go cram your words down someone else’s throat, harkin.
    When I said “one standard, applied to all”, that is exactly what I meant. Protesters who resort to violence are rioters, and they should be prosecuted to full extent of the law. Same with minors who illegally discharged firearms when their adult supervision is literally in another state.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  69. 65.

    Do cops stop random drivers with baby faces to demand proof that they are old enough to drive? Especially during a period when half the cars on the road are drunk drivers plowing through stop signs?
    JVW (ee64e4) — 8/26/2020 @ 11:49 pm

    Maybe not, but you’d like to think they wouldn’t help load kegs into the back of Baby Face’s El Camino either. They threw this kid a bottle of water and thanked him for his help for Pete’s sake. Singling him out for an ID check is one thing. Nearly chest bumping him and handing him the wallet that falls out of his pocket is another.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  70. They threw this kid a bottle of water and thanked him for his help for Pete’s sake.

    According to the link I provided in my 11:03 pm comment, law enforcement gave everybody there — BLM, militia, anarchists, media, you name it — water and/or Gatorade. They just handed them out to whomever looked thirsty. No doubt that some people took water from the authorities and then went and looted a business too.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  71. Well, thank you, JVW, for telling me what I do and do not understand, which is pretty arrogant and condescending, coming from
    a moderator. If I needed someone to read my mind, I would’ve asked.
    The city has control over curfews, and there’s no telling how quickly National Guard would’ve shown up after having been dispatched, or what they would’ve done had they been there. It’s hypothetical, so you have no idea how events would’ve unfolded had they even showed up in timely fashion. What we do know is that nobody questioned a boy holding a lethal weapon, not even bothering to ask for an ID. That’s simply a fact.
    What’s also a fact is that law enforcement has no business deputizing unvetted militia to help them in a fluid situation. It was that tacit acceptance of unapproved vigilantes that resulted in the deaths of two human beings. It was a tough situation for those officers, but they made the situation worse in doing so. I haven’t looked at the Kenosha PD manual for law enforcement, but I’m guessing that they frown on civilian posses going out and doing their thing.
    And, judging by the videos, it wasn’t as if they were ill-equipped. The police’ve got themselves an RV. Or six.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  72. According to the link I provided in my 11:03 pm comment, law enforcement gave everybody there — BLM, militia, anarchists, media, you name it — water and/or Gatorade.

    You don’t know that. Your link actually said this…

    In one of the video clips, shot late Tuesday night, a law enforcement officer in an armored vehicle gives bottles of water to a group of armed men that includes Rittenhouse.

    There’s no reference to BLM or anarchists or media, just “armed men”, and we know that Rittehouse wasn’t a lone wolf. He came with a group. Quote:

    Witnesses told Heavy at the scene that he was with a group of white males who came to Kenosha to defend property after Black Lives Matter protesters caused a series of arson fires and other property damage throughout the city.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  73. 71.

    According to the link I provided in my 11:03 pm comment, law enforcement gave everybody there — BLM, militia, anarchists, media, you name it — water and/or Gatorade. They just handed them out to whomever looked thirsty. No doubt that some people took water from the authorities and then went and looted a business too.
    JVW (ee64e4) — 8/27/2020 @ 12:19 am

    I don’t care that they gave him a bottle. Hell, I’m glad they gave him a bottle. They should have followed up by burping him and putting him to bed. My point is that if they were close enough to give him water and thank him, it wouldn’t have been gratuitous to also make sure this middle school looking kid was old enough to carry a loaded AR15 while he played George Zimmerman in the midst of a civil conflict.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  74. Leviticus or nk any Don King quotes worth noting?

    mg (8cbc69)

  75. https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/26/the-democrats-public-shaming-is-now-coming-for-you/
    Walter, who is a good boy with protective tendencies is waiting at the gate.

    mg (8cbc69)

  76. Lebaby James is quitting to avoid another playoff loss.

    mg (8cbc69)

  77. Lebaby has a plan – allowing his shoes to be made in China instead of demanding they be made in America by disadvantaged inner city people. To keep admonishing people who speak out against China. And to continue profiting from one of the worst human rights violating regimes in history. And to keep taco tuesdays.

    mg (8cbc69)

  78. JVW Wrote

    So when the militia members showed up and pledged support for law enforcement, even if the Kenosha folks would normally have discouraged that sort of thing I can completely understand why that particular night they felt a temporary alliance — or at the very least a truce — was in their best interest. That being the case, why in the world would they go around demanding IDs from people carrying weapons? Maybe you would have played Super Cop in that situation, but I can understand why the Kenosha folks chose not to.

    This basically boils down to “What should the police reasonably have done?”

    The work reasonably is where the debate really comes in.

    I’ve been thinking about it.
    I think they should have taken names and ID, deputized people who came to help, and provided them with supervision. Even if that supervision was “Stay here and call us before you do anything else. Better have us on the line before you discharge a weapon.” I think they should have sent home anyone that wasn’t willing to follow police instruction. That would have at least been an attempt to take control of that part of the situation.

    It was a tense situation. There were angry protesters, rioters, people just trying to go about their lives, and untrained, armed, civilians trying to help. One of them, a legal child who was himself breaking the law by being there with a rifle, killed a man, fled that scene without alerting the authorities of the shooting, was pursued by people trying to detain him, killed and injured his pursuers.

    The police needed to take control of the situation. Whether you favor a muscular response, an engagement response, or a mixes response I don’t think that goal is debatable.

    Time123 (306531)

  79. I think the NBA is miscalculating the average fan’s impression of the slogans and now walk outs. Most people don’t have the ability to take a day off because a police encounter involving someone they don’t know….with details still emerging….doesn’t go the way they think it should. I do think this looks bad for the police…..and understand the job is hard…..and hesitating can cost innocent life….but there was no gun….and there does not appear to have been a drawn knife….you really have to squint to justify shooting the guy in the back….multiple times no less. The optics are bad…and distract from a broader discussion of innocent black lives being snuffed out in our inner cities. But I digress. I’m going to continue not watching the NBA….who I have followed since being a little kid and even listening to games on the radio. I personally think the move to so many three-pointers and stars playing by other rules (traveling, charges, etc) has soured my interest….and now all the virtue signaling…..it’s too much. This should be a respite from politics….not an excuse to inject more…..

    AJ_Liberty (5b2883)

  80. It was a riot, Paul and JVW. It’s supposed to be violent, lawless, and chaotic.

    nk (1d9030)

  81. MLB is now postponing games.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  82. Anyhow, the kid should be acquitted for everything he did in self-defense after he ran away and the mob chased him. You may or may not have the right to stand your ground, but you always have the right to withdraw, even if you are the initial aggressor, and the ones who pursue you are now the aggressors.

    nk (1d9030)

  83. He needs a good lawyer. The guy in the mob with the “glock” provided everything else. Under the law of accountability, everybody in that mob had a “glock”.

    nk (1d9030)

  84. Everybody has a “glock” these days except me.

    nk (1d9030)

  85. But guess who has burden of going forward with the affirmative defenses of justification, exoneration, and self-defense or defense of others at trial? Come on! Guess!

    nk (1d9030)

  86. this is the state of nature, you’ve welcomed, succumbing to thousand currents extortion scheme, after 150 dead cops after tens of billions of damages, now you react,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  87. When the hothouse leaks,
    And the flowers,
    Pretty and delicate and old and withered alike,
    Feel those cold drafts,
    And shiver helplessly.

    nk (1d9030)

  88. But guess who has burden of going forward with the affirmative defenses of justification, exoneration, and self-defense or defense of others at trial? Come on! Guess!

    In Wisconsin, as in many states, the initial burden to show some basis for a self-defense defense is on the defendant. But then the State has the burden of showing beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did NOT act in self defense.

    See State v. Langlois, 913 NW 2d 812 (Wis. 2018), which can be read here:https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=7202721616091728552&q=2018+WI+73&hl=en&as_sdt=4,50&as_vis=1

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  89. Everybody has a “glock” these days except me.

    If you live in California, you’re lucky to have a wheel gun.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  90. Do you have the right to defend property with deadly force in a riot situation?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  91. If it’s a violent felony, like burglary, home invasion, or arson. You probably should not shoot someone for spray-painting “BLM” on your gazebo, trampling your flowers, and I would even say for stealing your pickup from your driveway if nobody you know is in it.

    nk (1d9030)

  92. Anyhow, the kid should be acquitted for everything he did in self-defense after he ran away and the mob chased him. You may or may not have the right to stand your ground, but you always have the right to withdraw, even if you are the initial aggressor, and the ones who pursue you are now the aggressors.

    Maybe, maybe not.

    If they were chasing him to continue an assault then yes.
    If they were chasing him to detain a killer who fled the scene then no.

    I have no idea which is true.

    Time123 (dba73f)

  93. All of a sudden the riot cheerleaders in media, politics and even message boards are demanding rule of law.

    Comedy gold.
    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  94. If they were chasing him to continue an assault then yes.
    If they were chasing him to detain a killer who fled the scene then no.

    I have no idea which is true.

    Pilate said to Him, “What is truth?” And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews and said to them, “I find no guilt in Him.” — John 18:38

    All he needs is a reasonable belief (what a reasonable person would think). And a good lawyer who picks a fair jury.

    nk (1d9030)

  95. All of a sudden the riot cheerleaders in media, politics and even message boards are demanding rule of law.

    Comedy gold.
    _

    harkin (cd4502) — 8/27/2020 @ 7:48 am I’m kind of sorry that MAOA/Eyefull is in moderation. He could explain to you the neo-Nazi chaos theory Trump is practicing.

    nk (1d9030)

  96. Yes the NBA players are hypocrites re: China but there’s a lot of that going around and has been for a very long time. Business is business and we’ve gotten used to cheap goods from China without looking too carefully at how the sausage is made and what the true costs are. One area where I agree with Trump although his tendency to lavish praise on Xi and the Trump family’s own business interests in China make me think he is mostly talk.

    JRH (52aed3)

  97. The NBA-China outrage is Peak Squirrel. The fact that a group of people fight for one cause at the expense of other causes does not make them hypocrites. One man can only fight so many battles, and should choose those battles wisely – with an eye to impact on that man’s own family and broader community.

    It would be like me calling JVW a hypocrite for focusing on the incompetence and graft of his state government rather than the incompetence and graft of the federal government. Politically motivated? Maybe. So what? Perfectly valid points that he makes, and it makes sense that he focuses on the incompetence and graft that hit closer to home.

    People who are saying “BUT CHINA!!” simply want to shift the focus away from the legitimacy of black grievances.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  98. 3-point line has helped ruin the game. I would prefer no dunking but you can knock the ball out of the cylinder. Olympic rules used to be that way. Of course I played when dunking was illegal and no 3 point line. And palming the ball was a violation.

    mg (8cbc69)

  99. Probably should have enforced a height restriction too – no players over 5’9″

    Leviticus (efada1)

  100. Just heard on radio that NBA players have voted to resume season.
    _

    harkin (2dbed4)

  101. “ He could explain to you the neo-Nazi chaos theory Trump is practicing.”
    _

    lol

    The only theory Trump practices is the used car salesman theory. The chaos is just a bonus from his lack of depth.

    Comparing him to Nazis is just more comedy gold.
    _

    harkin (2dbed4)

  102. Only the Bucks’ players should have been thinking boycott in the first placeto protest perceived malfeasance by a PD in their market territory, and it was probably caused more by the Tuesday shooter not being apprehended immediately after the incident more so than the Blake incident itself.

    urbanleftbehind (312524)

  103. Actually, a gun dealer or one who dabbles in the trade of firearms, ammo, and gun range visits. At my job, there was a guy who would try to get the Arab and Pakistani to buy ammo off of him by kvetching about the joos and later the same afternoon was trying to get Jewish guy to buy so he could be as prepared as his Israeli Uncles against the Egyptians etc.

    urbanleftbehind (312524)

  104. charlottesville lead to kenosha, by the theory ‘trying to feed the crocodile, still means you get eaten, it was the blood price that mcauliffe and co, demanded to get northam and fairfax elected, but the cost has been much higher, much of our heritage, has been devastated in this capitulation,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  105. It was a riot, Paul and JVW. It’s supposed to be violent, lawless, and chaotic.

    No doubt, nk, but the Kenosha Guard militia (which apparently included Rittenhouse) added gas–not water–to the situation.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  106. I don’t follow basketball. It’s not my sport. Never dribbled a ball or shot a hoop in my life.

    The only time I ever watch basketball is when a team from Texas is playing in a championship. Go Spurs! I was born in San Antonio, so that’s the only team I have ever really rooted for.

    It’s the same with college football. I don’t pay much attention to it, only watch when a team from Texas is playing for a championship. Go Longhorns! I am an alumnus of UT, after all, as was Tom Landry, but I really love TCU. Bob Lilly played for and graduated from there. He was “Mr. Cowboy”–first draft pick, first in the Ring of Honor, first in the Hall of Fame. What a great player he was.

    I did, however, once meet the Harlem Globetrotters. Yeah, this is a true story, and talk about a total freak out. I was just a small boy, about 4’8″, weighing maybe 60 lbs., walking home from junior high (6th grade). It was hot outside, and I was tired, so I stopped by Pierce’s Restaurant for a root beer float.

    Pierce’s was an old-style 1950s kind of restaurant. It actually had a soda machine. A counter with six stools, and a few tables with chairs, it was a classic one-stop burger and soda shop. (For those of you who don’t remember.)

    I walked in, and there at the counter were five large Black men. There was only one stool at the end of the counter, so I sat down, put a quarter on the counter, and asked for a root beer float.

    Then, this large Black man, who was at least five times bigger than me, turned to me and asked, “How’s it going, kid?” I said, “Fine, Sir. How is it going with you?” But when I looked up at him, I jumped off the bar stool. “Are you Meadowlark Lemon?!” He was, and they were THE Harlem Globetrotters! The real, the original Harlem Globetrotters–Meadowlark, Curly, Geese, Gip, and Pablo–all five of them. These guy were famous! I watched their cartoon of Saturday morning TV. These guys could do things with a basketball that no ordinary human could.

    The pros called it “trick ball.” And to my knowledge, no NBA team ever played against the Harlem Globetrotters. Of course not, they would have lost, embarrassingly.

    I met them. In a freak occurrence at a diner in Edinburg, Texas, population then about 25,000. They had come to play an exhibition game at Pan American University. Who knew? I certainly didn’t; a small child walking home from junior high, who only wanted a root beer float. Talk about a mind-blower.

    “You’re the Harlem Globetrotters!” I shouted as I leapt off my stool. And you know what? They all laughed. Gave me high-fives and everything, even bought me a burger and fries.

    It was because I, a little white boy, was the only one who knew who they were. The manager, the waitress, nobody at the restaurant knew who they were. But I, a small child, walking home for junior high, did.

    They were all very nice to me.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  107. 3-point line has helped ruin the game.

    No way. I would’ve had D1 college career if it was around when I was playing. It opened up the game, made it more equitable for the skilled, shorter players.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  108. People who are saying “BUT CHINA!!” simply want to shift the focus away from the legitimacy of black grievances.

    BS, Leviticus. Daryl Morey tweeted out support for HK long before George Floyd. It had zilch to do with any squirrel deflection.

    beer ‘n pretzels (322d01)

  109. Looks as if Golf is the only sport that has reasonable people participating. When Pro Golfers kneel the end is near.

    mg (8cbc69)


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