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8/18/2020

RIP MeToo: Bill Clinton to Speak at Democrat Convention Tonight

Filed under: General — JVW @ 3:15 pm



[guest post by JVW]

Putting the final nail in the coffin of the relatively short-lived but consequential MeToo movement, tonight’s slate of speakers for the Democrat National Convention will include a prime time slot for former President William J. Clinton, he of the Monica Lewinsky dalliance, the sexual harassment of Paula Jones, the unwanted groping of Kathleen Willey, and the believable rape of Juanita Broaddrick. In anticipation of the event, right-wing Twitter is reminding everyone that Bubba was a frequent guest aboard the late* Jeffrey Epstein’s notorious jet, the Lolita Express:

This, along with the soon-to-be-nominated-and-approved Democrat ticket of Joe Biden, with his own messy history of interactions with women young and younger, and Kamala Harris, patroness of a boorish jerk in her own office, seems to once and for all suggest that the Democrats have completely abandoned the battlefield in the Sexual Harassment Wars, at least for the time being. If that’s not the case, then they are acknowledging that they are happy to serve up enlisted ranks and non-commissioned officers as cannon fodder — and perhaps once in a while a lieutenant, a captain or even under difficult circumstances a major, but that senior flag officers are untouchable and shall be protected at all costs.

I think a lot of us always suspected that MeToo was supposed to be a cudgel with which to bash conservatives and Donald Trump, but unfortunately for the feminist left rather than an inanimate tool to be wielded exclusively by one party it turned into a rabid dog that bit everything in sight, including the Democrats’ own allies. So tonight we can finally close the book on the seriousness with which this movement deserves to be treated. If you think I’m exaggerating, note that MeToo champion Rose McGowan yesterday named another noted Hollywood director who had molested her in her early teenage years, yet rather than the sort of “thanks for speaking your truth” response she had become accustomed to receiving two years ago, today she was largely treated as a needy drama queen by the commenters at Variety, that noted right-wing media outlet. So let’s eulogize MeToo and recall all the fun times we had eviscerating roguish politicians (of both sexes!) for their awful behavior. The issue of sexual harassment will come back into vogue once Democrats clear the battlefield and bury their dead, so don’t think the issue is going to go away, even though the hashtag probably will be quietly retired once progressive Twitter figures out how to rebrand the issue to its advantage.

* Epstein didn’t kill himself.

– JVW

271 Responses to “RIP MeToo: Bill Clinton to Speak at Democrat Convention Tonight”

  1. Why is this unexpected” Word is that Elizabeth Warren is participating in a Native American Caucus panel. Shame, they’ve heard of it.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  2. Bill Clinton wasn’t a pedophile. More an omniphile.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  3. None of this irony will make it to CNN or the networks.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  4. Rose McGowan is a needy drama queen, and #MeToo and its sister #timesup were created to provide a slush fund for needy unemployable drama queens and to extort severance pay for sex workers.

    nk (1d9030)

  5. The Democratics have a very small tent, but a lot of clowns. Like a clown car, with, no wheels.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. 4… now that’s how you do Conspiracy Theory.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  7. Today, Tuesday, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris wll b e officially nominated, maybe offstage.

    Soeaking will be Chuck Schumer (on immigration) John Kerry, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Lisa Blunt Rochester (Congresswoman from Delaware, who is also black) Sally Yates, Bennie Thomas (House Homeland Security Chairman), Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Jill Biden.

    Somewhere in there will also be (announced today) a video, narrated by Senator John McCain;s widow, Ciondy, about the friendship between John McCain and Joe Biden.

    This sort of thing has been described as an informercial. What you are seeing is what would have been visible to the delegates on a giant jumbo screen, but in other circumstances this would not have been carried in its entirety, except maybe by C-Span and PBS. The major networks would have had their reporters interviewing people.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  8. It’s the observed phenomenon. Completely provable.

    The conspiracy theory is that it was intended to bring down Trump. Purely guesswork.

    nk (1d9030)

  9. So she was literally a witch, well marilyn manson.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  10. Here’s the problem with trying to paint Trump as a sexual predator of women. It’s not credible. It is obvious to everyone that Trump only puts on a public show of being attracted to women. He is not … how you say in your country? … a manly man.

    nk (1d9030)

  11. Blunt Rochester? May as well have asked Swisher Sweets to be a Mega Sponsor, replete with a Michael Brown montage and either Jay Nixon or Claire McCaskill speaking.

    urbanleftbehind (d83207)

  12. When it’s the GOP’s turn there will be a two-headed calf in Kansas that they have to cover non-stop.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  13. That may be to the GOP’s advantage.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  14. He is not … how you say in your country? … a manly man.

    I believe the word you seek is “John.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  15. And we had dodged a bullet with andrew gillum,

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  16. 8… so reclaim your time and get teh fu*k on with it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  17. Will this get the same coverage as roy moore, rhetorical

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1295426163939082241

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  18. “The wind up, then the pitch

    http://americanthinker.com/articles/2020/08/obama_i_make_love_to_men_daily.html#.XzwUxc7Ooxw.facebook

    this is garbage. I’m actually embarrassed for you.

    Davethulhu (2202c3)

  19. American Thinker is always, and exclusively, garbage.

    nk (1d9030)

  20. Here’s the problem with trying to paint Trump as a sexual predator of women. It’s not credible. It is obvious to everyone that Trump only puts on a public show of being attracted to women. He is not … how you say in your country? … a manly man.

    nk (1d9030) — 8/18/2020 @ 4:11 pm

    That’s why creeps like them so young, before they are sexually developed.

    I wonder if Putin plans to release the tape. Probably not. Lanisters always pay their debts sort of thing.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  21. But the dossier that was the pretext for this four year excrement ahow was too much.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  22. It’s disappointing really. When they put a cap in franken it looked like they were taking it seriously. Oh well.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  23. Franken was a useful idiot for obamacare nothing more.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  24. WMD-Liar Colin Powell to speak backing Plagirist JoeyBee.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  25. For how many years were there intimations, that trump was connected with virginia roberts then the affidavit came out, crickets

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  26. O.M.G.

    8 minute film highlighting Plagiarist JoeyBee and long dead John McCain as chums to top off evening.

    Did Beau approve?

    Is Emerson, Lake & Palmer’s ‘Brain Salad Surgery’ the soundtrack?

    “Welcome back my friends; To the show that never ends; So glad you could attend; Step inside, step inside…”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  27. WMD-Liar Colin Powell to speak backing Plagirist JoeyBee.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/18/2020 @ 4:49 pm

    The WMDs probably went to Putin’s pal Syria. Putin’s got a great espionage program.

    Colin Powell grew up poor, went to community college, served in the Army for 35 years, and after pulling some guys out of burning helicopter wreckage, started getting promoted a lot, and spent a third of that time at the very top of that organization.

    Donald Trump is the exact opposite of Colin Powell. For one mistake, perhaps not even a mistake, Powell is apparently the worst guy in the world, while Trump can tell people to inject their lungs with Clorox and that’s OK.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  28. this is garbage. I’m actually embarrassed for you.
    Davethulhu (2202c3) — 8/18/2020 @ 4:28 pm

    Junkyards have their place. Recycling does a society good.

    felipe (023cc9)

  29. antifa and biden have living in basements in common

    mg (8cbc69)

  30. if anyone needs a massage its the pantsuit darling

    mg (8cbc69)

  31. That was edited out of the door stop of a book by david garrow.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  32. RINO Powell backed Obama, too.

    The Old; The Dead; The out-of-power-Republicans all back Plagiarist JoeyBee–and-keep-rotary-dial-phoning-it-in.

    Sad.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. indeed DCSCA, and mitch wants to be minority leader

    mg (8cbc69)

  34. How many threads about avenatti and daniels, its gold jerry.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  35. Plagiarism is a blatant character tell.

    Tellus about Plgiarist JoeyBee’s character, will ‘ya Jill?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. @34. McGrath’s gonna shoot him down.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  37. RINO Powell backed Obama, too.

    The Old; The Dead; The out-of-power-Republicans all back Plagiarist JoeyBee–and-keep-rotary-dial-phoning-it-in.

    Sad.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/18/2020 @ 5:10 pm

    Why would Powell owe a political party anything? If the party has lost its way, its lost its way. Of course Powell’s life where he clawed his way to being the first black man to do this and that would find something appealing in the first black president. I don’t think it’s that appalling that someone wouldn’t support John Mccain. He only really looks that good in comparison to what came after.

    The Republican party isn’t out of power. They might complain a lot, like these problems just happened to them, but they have most of the power right now. The reason immigration and the budget weren’t fixed is because Trump didn’t want to fix them. The reason there’s no wall is that Trump did not want to build a wall. It’s that simple. The GOP administration exists to promote Russia’s foreign policy, and little else.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  38. “Junkyards have their place. Recycling does a society good.”

    I wish I could recycle the time I lost reading it.

    I actually read most of what gets linked here (call it opposition research), but that article. Oof.

    Davethulhu (2202c3)

  39. @38. Beau/John/Plagiarist JoeyBee: Brain Salad Surgery.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. Plagiarism is the least of that punks offenses, every conceivable policy mistake you could make in 40 years in law in foreign policy he has made

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  41. I am disgusted that Bill Clinton is still being treated with kid gloves by the Democrats. What does he have on key people that he can still be afforded these exclusive gigs? From what I’ve read, he no longer brings in the big bucks to the Party, and he was obviously a liability to Hillary during her run. So exactly why do they honor him? He must have the goods on some pretty powerful people, that’s all I can figure. It is utterly infuriating that such a despicable individual with a solid history of horrendous behavior toward women would still be lauded by these elitist Democrats. Yes, it also lays waste to the MeToo movement. Because unless I hear a loud backlash about his place at the convention, then I will know that it is indeed the bullshit movement I suspected it was. And that is unfortunate, because as JVW’s post illustrates, there is a huge need for a powerful group of women to support and defend and even pony up to help *any* women sexually assaulted by powerful men. Of course, the Hollywood co-opters of the group clearly have trouble looking too closely at their own tribe.

    Dana (292df6)

  42. Davethulhu (2202c3) — 8/18/2020 @ 5:36 pm

    LOL! Yes, it was an unhappy slog for me, too. During my University days I read the collected works of the Marquise De Sade. It took the better part of a decade of prayer to spiritually recover from that ! The experience still serves as a constant reproach to my lapses in judgment.

    felipe (023cc9)

  43. Well i wouldnt do that on a bit, i did read angela davis’s bio for a sociology class, shes the godmother of this riot rew

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  44. That was edited out of the door stop of a book by david garrow.

    I am going to have to spin up a post about Garrow pretty soon. He’s started coming out with some very interesting stances for a guy who was always considered to be a center-left Truman/Kennedy liberal.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  45. @38. Beau/John/Plagiarist JoeyBee: Brain Salad Surgery.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/18/2020 @ 5:40 pm

    If you really do think plagiarism is worse than defending Ghislaine Maxwell, and perhaps you actually do, then why don’t you ever hold Trump accountable for presenting someone else’s work as his own on his SAT test?

    When you selectively ignore the plagiarism of those you support, making up for your tacit plagiarism defense with volume of stomping your feet at Biden’s cheating weakens your point.

    Anyway, Biden got the F he deserved and I agree he isn’t worthy to be president if that makes you feel better.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  46. @41. You miss the point; it is the most basic and blatant of character tells.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  47. Oh, felipe, if only there was a one-time mind-scrub available to us when we exit the foolishness of youth to erase the wreckage left on our hearts and minds from the bad choices made when immature passions were indulged with an utter cluelessness about how those choices shape us, and follow us, to one degree or another. Thanks be to God for His unending mercies.

    Dana (292df6)

  48. the clintons and the democrat me too’s have made life harder for all females

    mg (8cbc69)

  49. Tonight’s Beau-Job: Bubba speaks.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  50. JVW (ee64e4) — 8/18/2020 @ 5:50 pm

    I look forward to that post, JVW.

    felipe (023cc9)

  51. Thanks be to God for His unending mercies.
    Dana (292df6) — 8/18/2020 @ 5:54 pm

    Amen, Dana. Thanks be to God!

    felipe (023cc9)

  52. If only these two parties would clean house; conventions once brokere that kind of action.

    A Cuomo vs. Haley race would be so much more in tune with 2020 America.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  53. As a (self-professed) woke feminist I want to make this promise here and now: I hereby vow to always take MeToo every bit as seriously as the Democrat Party takes it.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  54. A Cuomo vs. Haley race would be so much more in tune with 2020 America.

    I badly wanted a Sanders-Cruz race in 2016. Lay all the cards on the table: are we truly a center-right country or are we really a budding socialist empire? One of the reasons that I regret the rise of Trump so much is that it forestalled the reckoning.

    That said, I was a Scott Walker guy four years ago.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  55. As a (self-professed) woke feminist I want to make this promise here and now: I hereby vow to always take MeToo every bit as seriously as the Democrat Party takes it.

    JVW (ee64e4) — 8/18/2020 @ 5:59 pm

    Will you take it as seriously as they do at their best (Franken) or their worst (Clinton)?

    Time123 (ca85c9)

  56. Well as compared to taylor branch, yes hes evolved some.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  57. O.M.G. They start out w/’Keynotes To Remember’– 1968. ROFLMAO

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  58. My God, this is a television production disaster.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. As ive mentioned before national review if it was serious should have rallief for cruz, but paul singer had more pull for reasons,

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  60. I have now lost respect for Tammy Duckworth. She has just demonstrated that she has no spine when it comes to defending women and condemning the powerful men who abuse them. How dare she rightfully slam Trump for his offenses toward women while letting Bill Clinton off the hook. You can’t be an honest person and rightfully hold one man accountable, while intentionally excusing the other. This is a woman who just sold her soul to the highest bidder: her own ambition. A devil just the same:

    Sen. Tammy Duckworth, D-Ill. defended the decision to include former President Bill Clinton in the lineup of speakers at the Democratic National Convention Tuesday, telling Fox News’ Bret Baier that the party “is a big tent and all sorts of folks fit underneath it.” And I welcome anyone who truly wants to come and work to solve the problems we have in this country.

    “And if you want to join Donald Trump,” she added, “I believe he’s often on the golf course.”

    “He is a former president, but in the wake of the #MeToo movement, does that change the perspective?” Baier asked Duckworth.

    “Like I said,” Duckworth maintained, “I will let Bill Clinton defend himself and I will let him make his remarks tonight and I will be listening, but I will tell you that we have a lot of work to do in this country.”

    Shame on her. And shame on the DNC. We already know where I stand with re to the GOP and Trump…

    Dana (292df6)

  61. That said, I was a Scott Walker guy four years ago.
    JVW (ee64e4) — 8/18/2020 @ 6:01 pm

    I was right there with you! Then Walker walked. I then went with Cruz. After that everything just made me mad.

    felipe (023cc9)

  62. Will you take it as seriously as they do at their best (Franken) or their worst (Clinton)?

    Exactly!

    JVW (ee64e4)

  63. (I know that’s not the answer you were looking for, and I apologize for being glib.)

    JVW (ee64e4)

  64. OK, I’m going to tune in the train wreck for a few minutes.

    felipe (023cc9)

  65. The first thing I hear is “…and codify Planned Parenthood”

    Did I hear that right?

    felipe (023cc9)

  66. a center-right country or are we really a budding socialist empire?

    There’s a lot of good socialism in America- and people may not recognize it but like and use it. SS; PO, etc. The problem is when Righties try to privatize a good thing- like the post office; or NASA. If Newt had his way there would only be 4 post offices in Wyoming; he was mor successful w/NASA– the push t privatize only cost two $ billion space shuttles and killed 14 astronauts.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  67. As a (self-professed) woke feminist I want to make this promise here and now: I hereby vow to always take MeToo every bit as seriously as the Democrat Party takes it.

    JVW (ee64e4) — 8/18/2020 @ 5:59 pm

    It was funny. So all is good.

    Time123 (daab2f)

  68. America’s electorate is 75% white. So far the DNC is projecting an image of an America that they only see within their bubble.

    And too many actresses. None of these chocolate bunnies have or are going to miss a meal.

    And now, Sally Yates? WTF.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  69. Sixteen [16!] keynote speakers. Stacey Abrams is maybe the main one. All short snippets. It is more like a standard political commercial. If I understand correctly what that was supposed to be.

    Bill Clinton will speak but he’s limited to 5 the standard 5 minutes here. It’s not live, so nobody will “yield he balance of my time.”

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  70. @61, that’s unfortunate. I was inclined to like her based on her personal contributions to our country.

    Time123 (daab2f)

  71. Sally Yates: “Trump trying to sabotage our postal service to keep people from being able to vote'”

    “Joe Biden has spent his entire life putting our country first”

    “countless stories of Joe Biden reaching out to people in their moment of need”

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  72. “There are countless stories of Biden reaching out and touching some one…”

    LOL. Iknow it was was said with a straight face, but what an unfortunate choice of words..Yikes.

    felipe (023cc9)

  73. @61, that’s unfortunate. I was inclined to like her based on her personal contributions to our country.

    Time123 (daab2f) — 8/18/2020 @ 6:20 pm

    I respect her for that sacrifice. But she’s completely lost me on her *defense* of Bill Clinton, and the weaselly way she did it.

    Dana (292df6)

  74. @73. “It is what it is.” – Michelle Obama

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. Memo to Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg; did you Dad have a blonde or redhead before and after his speech in 1960 LA?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  76. “countless stories of Joe Biden reaching out to people in their moment of need”
    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13) — 8/18/2020 @ 6:21 pm

    I’m inclined to believe the accuracy of Sammy’s quote over mine.

    felipe (023cc9)

  77. “Like I said,” Duckworth maintained, “I will let Bill Clinton defend himself and I will let him make his remarks tonight and I will be listening, but I will tell you that we have a lot of work to do in this country.”

    I personally thank Sen. Duckworth for reinforcing the title of my post.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  78. The DNC has to be desperate to use Bubba The Impeached. Even the GOP nixed Nixon.

    Storm Center? ‘Beau-Job,’ eh, Bubba?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  79. 28. Dustin (4237e0) — 8/18/2020 @ 5:00 pm

    , while Trump can tell people to inject their lungs with Clorox and that’s OK.

    Trump didn’t tell people to do that.

    He asked some medical experts whether that might be a good idea.

    Of course that is the wrong idea.

    But in Bolivia…

    https://www.businessinsider.com/bolivian-senate-approves-toxic-bleach-as-covid-19-treatment-2020-7

    It needs to pass the House, though.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  80. “What did Joe do>”– Bill Clinton.

    “It is what it is.” — Michelle Obama.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  81. “It is what it is.” – Michelle Obama

    I said this copied Rush Limbaugh, but apparently Donald Trump copied it first.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  82. But she’s completely lost me on her *defense* of Bill Clinton, and the weaselly way she did it.

    If journalists cared one whit about doing their jobs they would be asking Kristen Gillibrand — a woman who owes her political soul to Hillary Clinton but who saw fit to attack Bubba when the tea leaves suggested it was appropriate — what she thinks of having the Big Creep speak tonight. I have a Jefferson nickel — the old-fashioned kind with Monticello on the back — for anyone who finds that video clip and/or newspaper quote.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  83. Memo to Tom Perez- America is a nation of mutts; not mud people.

    I’m voting for the White Team.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  84. The DNC has to be desperate to use Bubba The Impeached.

    That’s why I wonder if he and Hill have stuff on important decision makers in the party… It doesn’t make sense to go him for an appearance. Speaking with some strong Dems in their early 30’s, they think he’s an old dinosaur who should be excited for his sexual abuse of women. He disgusts them. I can see the party going to Hillary for this because at least she was a recent nominee, and has obnoxiously continued to be a political presence. Maybe she insisted it was a Hill-Bill package deal or nothing…

    Dana (292df6)

  85. The only reason Tammy Duckworth is in the Senate is because she ran against Mark Kirk. She is strictly an Illinois Combine hack, a plodder who goes along to get along. Not much there, there.

    nk (1d9030)

  86. @85.Possibly. Sounds reasonable- and he has a better persona on camera than HRC does. Still, it might just be he’s an ex-prez still alive to fill air time– who didn’t resign.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  87. Roll call vote coming up, Nominating and seconding speeches for president.

    First, Bernie sanders.

    1. Some obscure union official named Bob (>) King.

    2/ Alexandria Ocasio Cortez.

    So that’s her speaking role. Seconding the nomination of Senator Bernie Sanders for president.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  88. Now nominating speech for Joe Biden.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  89. This should be a Cuomo vs. Haley election. Their ages work; and so do their brains. These two parties have failed America soooo badly.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  90. Anyone else not watched any of the convention yet?

    Time123 (daab2f)

  91. let me know if Biden get’s confused and wanders off stage to pee.

    Time123 (daab2f)

  92. Now roll call vote.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  93. 171,000 dead Americans in five and half months, and 1,000 more will have died by this time tomorrow. Because of Trump. That’s all we should be talking about.

    nk (1d9030)

  94. Biden is in Delaware. But he probably will deliver her acceptance speech lve

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  95. 95. While we’re at it, let’s talk about the ~8000 people that die daily of non-covid causes.

    Gryph (f63000)

  96. Really long speeches before state announces its vote.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  97. Will you take it as seriously as they do at their best (Franken) or their worst (Clinton)?

    There is no “best” example.

    Dumping Franken only meant that a Democrat governor could appoint a fellow Dem lacking #MeToo baggage. The Dems lost nothing.
    .

    beer ‘n pretzels (441010)

  98. Look at these people doing the ‘nominating’ votes– not a single white guy yet. Ohio, Indiana, Iowa are saying, ‘them ain’t us.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  99. California. Climate change..Joe Biden’s plan t..California 231 votes 263 for our next ores Joe Biden

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  100. Here’s some of teh Shamvention… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9nTxOMtbEI

    So I just had the new CardiB song played for me… if Slow Joe wants to associate himself with garbage, he is welcome to it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  101. 95. While we’re at it, let’s talk about the ~8000 people that die daily of non-covid causes.

    Gryph (f63000) — 8/18/2020 @ 6:47 pm

    People talk about that all the time
    -Gun deaths
    -Drug deaths
    -Traffic Safety requirements
    -various cancers and heart disease

    They all get talked about.

    But go to the CDC website and check out total deaths from all causes and tell if you can’t see something different.

    Time123 (daab2f)

  102. 96.Biden is in Delaware.

    When was the last time he left it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  103. Delaware.. elaware asses (will cast the decisive vote)

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  104. 104. Not long ago. He’s made appearances in Pennsylvania.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  105. Florida – preliminary half dozen sentences

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  106. “Delaware passes”

    felipe (023cc9)

  107. Anyone else not watched any of the convention yet?

    Right there with you, amigo.

    JVW (ee64e4)


  108. 96.Biden is in Delaware.

    When was the last time he left it.

    [Chortle.] Good one.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  109. 108.“Delaware passes”

    Is that a vote call or an accidental press release on Joe Biden’s demise?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  110. Delaware is too small. He practically has to go into Pennsylvania to make s big appearance.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  111. Here… treat yourself to a real Top 40 hit… https://youtu.be/10cRNiXlWRQ

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  112. The idea is that Delaware should put Biden over the top.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  113. Anyone else not watched any of the convention yet?

    Train and car wrecks make for good TV. But this could bring back the disaster film genre.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  114. @114. But he’s from Scranton, Pennsylvania. Or was that last week. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  115. Bill Clinton must have spoken before 9 pm.

    Massachusetts; Joe Biden will get the pandemic under control.. Massachusetts casts 30 votes for Bernie Sanders and 83 votes for our next president Joe Biden.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  116. Sanders is getting a fair amount of votes.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  117. Nevada- Sanders 24/Biden 25. What were the odds?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  118. Nevada- Sanders 24/Biden 25. What were the odds?!

    Wow! Do you suppose this is choreographed so that Sanders comes reasonably close to a majority but falls short, so that a message is sent that the Democrats expect a hard left progressive candidacy from Biden? It seems that the crazy old Marxist extracted some significant concessions from the demented old blowhard in return for the endorsement.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  119. CBS NBC not going to the official proceedings. Anchors talking.

    Two former Secretaries of State will speak. Colin Powell and the other must be John Kerry.

    Jill Biden interviewed by CBS in the original classroom where she once taught?

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  120. Now my eyes are playing tricks on me! I thought that guys shirt said “I blew Joe Biden.”

    In the gutter, my mind is.

    felipe (023cc9)

  121. 118, DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/18/2020 @ 7:01 pm

    Sanders is getting a fair amount of votes.

    I think he didn’t release his delegates.

    In fact he even tried to get more after he suspended his campaign.

    By party rules, these votes have to be cast for him.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  122. I wonder if it is too late to place My Little Aloha Sweetie’s name into the nomination list.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  123. The drinker is a crazy brit, who is still more than the bbc.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  124. Texas.

    Utah recommending mail voting

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  125. She was robbed,jww,

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  126. Vermonet – joined by Bernie Sanders. 15 votes for Sanders 9 votes for the next president of the United States, Jow Biden,

    Virg=gin Islands – the vacation home of our nominee.

    Virginia – Joe Biden decided to join the battle at the time of Charlotte?

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  127. This is just wrong

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bC3uH4Xw4Xo

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  128. Reminder from a left-leaning columnist at the paper of record:

    NYT columnist @michelleinbklyn in November 2017: "It's fair to conclude that because of Broaddrick's allegations, Bill Clinton no longer has a place in decent society." https://t.co/6tdikfCZae— Peter J. Hasson (@peterjhasson) August 18, 2020

    JVW (ee64e4)

  129. 123 Now my eyes are playing tricks on me! I thought that guys shirt said “I blew Joe Biden.”

    In the gutter, my mind is.”

    Democat’s equivalent to Robert Ford…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  130. Thank you, thank you, thank you!” – Joe Biden; plagiarized from Jim Nabors aka Gomer Pyle, USMC.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  131. 125.I wonder if it is too late to place My Little Aloha Sweetie’s name into the nomination list.

    At this point, given the competiion, she is looking pretty damn good.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  132. @121. Beau knows.

    Heck, Utah went to Sanders.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  133. Dekaware – two men by a train station – cast votes.

    Chairman (Clybirn?) declares Biden nominee no motion to make it unanimous. Celebration. Looks amateurish – some Zoom shots, Biden with some people in Brandywine Delaware high school.

    Invtted to give acceptance speech he says about three sentences and then says they’ll hear from him on Thursday,

    I think next maybe they will nominate Kamala Harris unless that’s tomorrow. She gives her speech on Wednesday. It is always that way now with the VP nominee speaking one day before the presidential nominee who closes out the convention. Both parties do this.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  134. Soon; Senator John Kerry and Colin Powell.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  135. I guess they’re not going to address plagiarism as a blatant and despicable character tell tonight.

    OMG-has Kerry had botox?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  136. I stopped watching right after Biden said “Thank you.” I’ve had enough. I’ve paid my dues.

    felipe (023cc9)

  137. OMG-has Kerry had botox?

    My God, man, where have you been the past 20 years? Kerry was going to Switzerland to be injected with the hormones of orphaned Yemeni children at $50,000 per session back before Botox was patented.*

    * This may not technically be true.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  138. Now my eyes are playing tricks on me! I thought that guys shirt said “I blew Joe Biden.”

    In the gutter, my mind is.

    felipe (023cc9) — 8/18/2020 @ 7:11 pm

    Get your mind out of the gutter! Mine needs to float on by.

    norcal (a5428a)

  139. DCSCA @36-
    Will you let us know what you think of Trump’s character “tells”? Or are you fine with them?

    Paying someone to take a college SAT?

    Having your sister complete your college homework?

    Cheating on your wives (multiple times)?

    Consorting with sex workers?

    Sexually objectifying your daughter on national radio?

    Bragging how easy it is to sexually assault women by grabbing their private parts?

    Describing your niece as “stacked” to her face and in front of your (only American) wife?

    Lacking empathy for 170,000+ Americans who have died as a result of the actions or inactions of the administration?

    Lacking the grace to acknowledge the deaths and service of political leaders that have differences with you?

    Showing concern for someone accused of horrific crimes against young girls?

    Cheating at golf by throwing opponents’ balls into bunkers, miscounting strokes and even declaring yourself the winner of tournaments you didn’t play in?

    Appointing your unqualified children and in-laws to senior posts and assigning to them responsibilities for which they are way over their heads?

    Defending the symbols of slavery and memorials of men who committed treason against the United States?

    Posing as a nonexistent publicist, to lie about your wealth and plant stories about your supposed sexual exploits?

    Attacking political opponents as “enemies of the state” for disagreeing with you or reporting on facts about your policies, and to advocate their prosecution?

    Feeling the need to exaggerate accomplishments in order to belittle others?

    Repeating demonstrably false conspiracies in order to generate fear?

    I could go on and on, but the above “character tells” pale in comparison to a 30 year old plagiarism charge.

    Rip Murdock (b1f26f)

  140. @142. ROFLMAOPIP Are you? He won.

    Trump is Reagan Seed. He is a Reagan Creation; the Frankenstein born and nurtured in Ronnie’s go-go ’80s, housed in Trump Tower, only to get loose to terrorize and destroy his very creators.

    He is you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  141. @142. BTW, Rip: “You know why the Yankees always win, Frank? ‘Cause the other teams can’t stop staring at those damn pinstripes.” – Frank Abagnale Sr. [Christopher Walken] ‘Catch Me If ou Can’ 2002

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  142. @140.Must be the HDTV; it really showed through tonite.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  143. Paying someone to take a college SAT?

    The SATs require essays too.

    DCSCA’s defense of Trump’s plagiarism is, and I quote: “He won.”

    So I guess his concern is abated for those plagiarists he voted for. Most folks are like that.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  144. “The Bidens are so normal.” – Jake Tapper.

    No. They’re not. WTF, Jake. Plagiarism ain’t normal– to a good journalist, anyway.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  145. 2146. N. Catch him if you can. JoeyBee was caught. Repeatedly. It forced him to quit his ’88 campaign; something glaringly overlooked tonight.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  146. Michelle Obama telling lies to the audience about police targeting unarmed black people for murder… “an endless list”. Less than 20 unarmed blacks were killed by police last year in the U.S. and around 8 so far this year.

    She knows around 100 people were killed in her home town last month, none of them killed by white people or police.

    She is beneath contempt.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  147. Kerry has been a traitorous in every engagement weve been in the last 40 years, vsouth east asia vietnam south asia miidle east, i dont doubt he draws blood frin guatemalan orphans

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  148. I dont make any bones about the fact that star wars bar scene will bury this country and everything it stands for, if it wasnt for reagan they would have done it forty years ago

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  149. “”Hi, I’m Joe Biden’s husband, Joe Biden.”

    — – Joe Biden

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  150. There is that bizarre blend of joe izuzu with lloyd bridges from hot shots

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  151. I would have massive respect for the Democrats — or barring that, some Republican like John Kasich — who had the guts to address the convention and say something like, “Yeah, we chose a real turd for our nominee, but, in fairness, all of our viable candidates were also turds. But we’re going to do our best to polish this turd, and we think that we can make our turd slightly more palatable to the average American voter than the other party’s turd.” Now there’s an analogy that I could get behind (bad pun, yes)!

    JVW (ee64e4)

  152. But to try to make Joe Biden into anything more than the placeholder that a desperate party is forced to use to try to defeat the current incumbent while they figure out what the hell their coalition is all about is utterly obnoxious.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  153. We know what their coalition is about, they want to abolish much of whaf america stands for, for legitimate or illegitimate reasons i dont care which. And you will not be allowed to be opt out.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  154. Still waiting for mitt romney’s endorsement of biden speech. I coughed and missed AOC 1 minute.

    asset (c8e950)

  155. Theres a tiny degree of accountability in the fall of scott israel, in the primary

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  156. Anyone else not watched any of the convention yet?

    I watched Michelle Obama’s speech on the interwebs this morning; I have no plans to tune in to the telecast though…

    Dave (1bb933)

  157. If nothing else, Michelle O’s speech triggered one of the best rhetorical own-goals of the campaign:

    “She taped it. And it was not only taped, it was taped a long time ago, because she had the wrong deaths.” – Donald Trump

    Trump dissed her … because she left out 20,000 of his victims.

    *chef kiss*

    (Barack’s speech-writer tweeted in response: “I can confirm @BarackObama will have the most up-to-date figures for his turn tomorrow night.”)

    Dave (1bb933)

  158. Hillary clinton comment on bubba getting “messaged!” from epstein sex slave chauntae davies. Hellary: “It is what it is!”

    asset (c8e950)

  159. I wonder if it is too late to place My Little Aloha Sweetie’s name into the nomination list.

    I suppose there’s always the GOP convention next week.

    But, hey, it’s our adorable niece’s big night!

    Dave (1bb933)

  160. 2146. N. Catch him if you can. JoeyBee was caught. Repeatedly. It forced him to quit his ’88 campaign; something glaringly overlooked tonight.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/18/2020 @ 8:14 pm

    Yeah that’s the thing about Biden. He’s not much of a winner. He won that Senate seat and hung on for a long long time, but that’s about it.

    Still, plagiarism is not wrong because cheaters always lose. It’s wrong because it’s a character defect. Obsessing over a guy you don’t like doing it, but accepting it with Trump because he can’t be shamed or defeated, it’s kinda undermining this moral angle you had going.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  161. Re posts nos. 46 & 146 by Dustin claiming – Donald Trump paid someone to take the SAT for him.
    Apparently you missed: Mary Trump’s SAT allegation refuted by widow [Pam Shriver] of President Trump’s pal https://nypost.com/2020/07/09/widow-of-president-trumps-friend-shoots-down-sat-allegation/

    How about some concern for – Defamation? or Truth tell’g? GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (a1521c)

  162. Gary I read that. It seems more like whining that it’s unfair to discuss the matter. She couldn’t possibly know if the allegation is untrue. The NY Post calls this ‘shooting down the allegation’ but that’s just clickbait. The ‘maybe they didn’t meet by then’ when she didn’t meeting him until later is frankly a pretty poor alibi.

    But if you think Mary Trump made all this up, by all means don’t accept her accusations. I believe her. I think Trump’s cheated every deal, broken almost every promise, and been creepy in ways that match Mary’s description remarkably well. Trump is also, to be blunt, a very dumb person who is bad at business and leadership, let alone academics.

    How about some concern for – Defamation? or Truth tell’g? GLZ.

    I am not really all that concerned about defending Trump because he is a traitor who hates the truth.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  163. We hear apologists for the brownouts on a previous thread as if this wasnt exactly the point, allocation of reliable electricity is what cant be allowed, as we have seen with venezuela they will smash the most productive element and they wont wait 5 or 10 years, thats ocasio cortez zombie cadres the ones in the image of van jones and the guy that wanted to crucify utilities,

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  164. I suppose there’s always the GOP convention next week.

    I like the way you are thinking outside the box on this.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  165. “Yellowstone is much more entertaining”

    If you pretend you’re QAnon, it’s a lot more entertaining:

    https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1295953560593735682

    Davethulhu (2202c3)

  166. Dave, still loving yourself some Obamas. Good for you.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  167. Yellowstone is much more entertaining

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/randy-hall/2020/08/19/ratings-democrat-conventions-first-night-fall-sharply-2016

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/18/2020 @ 9:27 pm

    Yellowstone exploding would be more entertaining.

    Now I denounce myself.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  168. Dustin,

    your remarks are the definition of TeeDeeSss. But carry on. It makes you feel good. Virtue signal away.

    You can also spit into the wind. Enjoy.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  169. your remarks are the definition of TeeDeeSss. But carry on. It makes you feel good. Virtue signal away.

    You can also spit into the wind. Enjoy.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/18/2020 @ 11:33 pm

    It does honestly feel great to have no respect or loyalty to politicians.

    You should understand I honestly want to tell you I’m voting for this option that’s so clearly better, but there is no good option. So all I’ve got is to tell you what I think.

    I get that it comes across as stomping my feet in righteousness. That’s just a lack of clever writing skill. I am acutely aware that I’m not better than other people. I’m better than some traitor but I do not consider that to be worthy of anyone noticing or caring because a cockroach is better than some traitor.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  170. Donald Trump is the exact opposite of Colin Powell. For one mistake, perhaps not even a mistake

    Colin Powell resigned because he felt used.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  171. RINO Powell backed Obama, too.

    Nearly every African-American backed Obama in 2008. It was a team thing. In 2012, the barrier having been breached, political differences took over.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  172. I cannot vote for a ticket that contains Donald Trump — he has done nothing to win, and lots to lose my vote — nor for a ticket than contains Kamala Harris. If the Libertarians continue along their own shark-jump I may just leave the line blank or write in Joe the Plumber.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  173. poor, Kevin M

    mg (8cbc69)

  174. Kevin, I know where you’re coming from.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  175. I don’t know where Epstein committed suicide or not, JVW. The circumstances surrounding his death do raise suspicions though. For example, he was on a suicide watch, but the guards neglected to monitor him at the scheduled intervals? That’s a red flag, for sure. And, to my knowledge, the official cause of death was never actually determined. As I recall, there were two conflicting autopsies, one by the coroner or medical examiner at the prison and another by a private physician hired by who knows, the family or Maxwell, or perhaps both. That’s not just another red flag. It’s a glowing neon sign. Something is amiss here.

    The simple fact that were a large number of very wealthy, prominent and powerful men associated with Epstein clearly indicates that there more than a few who wanted him silenced. It is doubtless that he was blackmailing them, which is how he built and maintained his fortune. It wasn’t by investments, that’s for sure, not any that would pass legal scrutiny.

    Epstein was a pervert of the worst sort, a predator of under-aged girls, and a sex trafficker, and Maxwell was his eager and willing accomplice. What a sick couple those two were.

    You have to know that Epstein kept photos and videotapes of him, his partner, and the rich and powerful who participated in their illegal sex activities. That’s what perverts like him do–they keep photos and videotapes, for blackmail or their own sick viewing pleasure, more the former than the latter no doubt.

    The question is, where are these photos and videotapes? And why haven’t they been released? I understand the graphic nature of these photos and videotapes may prevent them from public release, but they could certainly be used in a sealed court of law. Now that Epstein is dead, there obviously won’t be a trial against him. But there will be against Maxwell. And there should be against anyone and everyone, no matter how rich, prominent and powerful, found in these photos and videotapes.

    Seriously, they could all be charged with child pornography. Under federal law, that would result in severe sentences for each count, to be served consecutively–in some cases, that could result in sentences for several hundred years in prison. So it’s no wonder these perverts and predators don’t want the evidence to come out, not in public but definitely not in court. It would be a day of reckoning that all of them desperately want to avoid. That alone lends credence to the charge that more than one of them wanted Epstein killed.

    But what do to with Maxwell? She is going to trial and is kept under tight security. Will she spill the beans? I wouldn’t put it past any one of these perverts to have her killed and stage it as a suicide.

    The simple fact that Trump offered his support to Maxwell more than suggests there was more to his relationship with Epstein than is being admitted. One of Epstein’s victims has publicly announced that Epstein showed her off to Trump at Mar a Lago when she was fourteen, and Trump approved of her.

    This mess is all so sordid and seedy. If everyone is so willing to accept that Bill Clinton eagerly participated with Epstein in perverted activities on his private plane and island, why aren’t they willing to accept that Donald Trump did as well?

    Oh, that’s right, because Democrats defend their sexual predators, and Republicans defend their sexual predators as well.

    Lately, these days, I’ve been shaking my head in befuddlement. What happened to the America I grew up in? I don’t know. I could give several reasons for the decline, but it has been so precipitous over just the last few years, I don’t know what to think anymore.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  176. *whether* Epstein committed suicide. Please excuse my mistype.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  177. Zombie – Teh Scold in 2020

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  178. 178… Vote Heisenberg… Say His Name.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  179. 172… hide the children…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  180. I think that where Trump supporters might be going wrong is on the concept of country clubs. They may think that they are like book clubs, or chess clubs, or gun clubs, where people are brought together by their mutual interest, and Trump with his three country clubs must just really love our country. Or, like at least one Trump supporter here, they may think it’s the same as rural communities.

    Needless to say, if they believe those things in the first place, you’d be wasting your time trying to explain to them otherwise.

    nk (1d9030)

  181. Under federal law, that would result in severe sentences for each count, to be served consecutively–in some cases, that could result in sentences for several hundred years in prison. So it’s no wonder these perverts and predators don’t want the evidence to come out, not in public but definitely not in court. It would be a day of reckoning that all of them desperately want to avoid. That alone lends credence to the charge that more than one of them wanted Epstein killed.

    I’m not really up on the case, but was this island in American jurisdiction? I don’t know that any of these powerful people Epstein and Maxwell recorded actually intended to store the material.

    I keep going back to how they fired the prosecutor and tried to install a nobody as his replacement, failed, and Ghislaine was promptly arrested. The timing and Trump’s ‘I wish her well’ doesn’t make the interference look very good.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  182. I. The collapse of institutional liberalism

    For a generation after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, most Americans and Europeans regarded Marxism as an enemy that had been defeated once and for all. But they were wrong. A mere 30 years later, Marxism is back, and making an astonishingly successful bid to seize control of the most important American media companies, universities and schools, major corporations and philanthropic organizations, and even the courts, the government bureaucracy, and some churches. As American cities succumb to rioting, arson, and looting, it appears as though the liberal custodians of many of these institutions—from the New York Times to Princeton University—have despaired of regaining control of them, and are instead adopting a policy of accommodation. That is, they are attempting to appease their Marxist employees by giving in to some of their demands in the hope of not being swept away entirely.

    We don’t know what will happen for certain. But based on the experience of recent years, we can venture a pretty good guess. Institutional liberalism lacks the resources to contend with this threat. Liberalism is being expelled from its former strongholds, and the hegemony of liberal ideas, as we have known it since the 1960s, will end. Anti-Marxist liberals are about to find themselves in much the same situation that has characterized conservatives, nationalists, and Christians for some time now: They are about to find themselves in the opposition.

    Read it all >> https://quillette.com/2020/08/16/the-challenge-of-marxism/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  183. It just wasn’t on his island or plane, Dustin, these violations also occurred at his mansion in New York and at other properties he owned in the US, like his ranch in New Mexico, and in other countries as well. Epstein’s was a vast sex-trafficking ring, and everyone involved in it should be indicted, prosecuted and convicted, in whatever jurisdiction has authority.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  184. Maxwell was the boss. She had the jet set background, she had the circle of rich pervert friends, she had the spoiled rich girl upbringing, she had the protection of the Israeli intelligence services*, and she is first on my list of suspects for having Epstein killed to keep him from snitching on her and her circle. If you don’t like her as Blofeld to Epstein’s No. 2, think of her as the Glenn Close to Epstein’s Jeremy Irons in “Dangerous Liaisons.

    *Through her father, Robert Maxwell, look him up.

    nk (1d9030)

  185. 137. The speeches were very short, and really impossible, without background knowledge, for anyone to comprehend what was being said (beyond that Donald Trump is doing things wrong)

    Most of the speeches were short. Bill Clinton got 4-5 minutes. AOC got 60-90 seconds, I read or heard. I missed it although I saw a sound byte played later on the news.

    Donald Trump said he sidn’t know until Tuesday that much of it was pre-recorded. Apparently the Republican Party had not been planning to do that. He thought the reason was to get good takes. I think the reason was so that nobody ventured off script, and they stuck to the time limit.

    It wasn’t to eliminate flubs, at least not by Joe Biden. In the pre-recorded speech by his wife, he came on at the end and said he was the husband of Jill Bliden (with an extra “l”) and used the word lady 3 times. It must be his stuttering problem coming back.

    By the way, there were 17, not 16, keynote speakers. The 16 plus Stacey Abrams who got a bit more time.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  186. This means that some brave liberals will soon be waging war on the very institutions they so recently controlled. They will try to build up alternative educational and media platforms in the shadow of the prestigious, wealthy, powerful institutions they have lost. Meanwhile, others will continue to work in the mainstream media, universities, tech companies, philanthropies, and government bureaucracy, learning to keep their liberalism to themselves and to let their colleagues believe that they too are Marxists—just as many conservatives learned long ago how to keep their conservatism to themselves and let their colleagues believe they are liberals.

    This is the new reality that is emerging. There is blood in the water and the new Marxists will not rest content with their recent victories. In America, they will press their advantage and try to seize the Democratic Party. They will seek to reduce the Republican Party to a weak imitation of their own new ideology, or to ban it outright as a racist organization. And in other democratic countries, they will attempt to imitate their successes in America. No free nation will be spared this trial. So let us not avert our eyes and tell ourselves that this curse isn’t coming for us. Because it is coming for us.

    —- Yoram Hazony

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  187. 190. Jeffrey Epstein being dead made Ghislaine Maxwell the number one target. How would it make sense for her for Jeffrey Epstein to be dead? And was anybody going to give Jeffrey Epstein much less time in order for him to implicate Ghislaine Maxwell? How was she ever his boss, anyway? She was his enabler, for a time. A crucial enabler, maybe, in the 1990s.

    It looks like a real suicide (unless the guards were paid off etc) but if anybody did it it would be somebody whose name hadn’t come up yet.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  188. It just wasn’t on his island or plane, Dustin, these violations also occurred at his mansion in New York and at other properties he owned in the US, like his ranch in New Mexico, and in other countries as well. Epstein’s was a vast sex-trafficking ring, and everyone involved in it should be indicted, prosecuted and convicted, in whatever jurisdiction has authority.

    Gawain’s Ghost (b25cd1) — 8/19/2020 @ 7:33 am

    Of course I agree that to the extent they can be brought to justice they should be, and even if they can’t, might as well publicize if some powerful person did a terrible thing.

    I think these guys were legitimate criminal masterminds and were thoughtful about what they did in New York or Mars a Lago versus what they did on this island. I also am sure the feds can convict them of something because… let’s be honest there are about ten million laws.

    I think the reason was so that nobody ventured off script, and they stuck to the time limit.

    Bingo Sammy. The same frustration conservatives have, the liberals have. Both sides think the other side is an crazy extremo version of its ideals, but really both sides are barely controllable because of preference cascades. Gotta keep things under control.

    Maxwell was the boss.

    Everything has JE initials on it. Whoever did that wanted to ensure Epstein was the one held accountable.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  189. @187

    I keep going back to how they fired the prosecutor and tried to install a nobody as his replacement, failed, and Ghislaine was promptly arrested.

    Actually, the proper timing was that Ghislaine was arrested after that acting SDNY prosecutor was replaced. Coincidental? Maybe.. . but the timing is strange as it implied that the fired prosecutor was the reason why she wasn’t arrested yet.

    The timing and Trump’s ‘I wish her well’ doesn’t make the interference look very good.

    Dustin (4237e0) — 8/19/2020 @ 7:21 am

    Interference?

    I took that as the usual ol’ Trump backhanded sarcasm…not some sincere statement of actually wishing her well.

    That’s one of the political character trait that drives me bonkers… Trump’s sarcasm meter doesn’t have an “off” switch, and as a politician, that’s an awful trait to have as it opens doors to criticisms.

    It’s literally the genesis of that mantra repeated by Trump’s supporters of taking him “Seriously, not literally”.

    Who else in politics is as sarcastic as Trump? I can’t think of another… Cruz can be, by he’s judicious with his sarcasms.

    whembly (c30c83)

  190. 187. Dustin (4237e0) — 8/19/2020 @ 7:21 am

    I’m not really up on the case, but was this island in American jurisdiction?

    It was part of the U.S. Virgin Islands, but Jeffrey Epstein owned 100% of the island. He was not the law, there, though, except nobody came or went there without his permission. (as I understand it)

    I don;t believe he knew many people like himself. He wanted to make “friends,” true, but that wouldn’t be a very practical way of creating them.

    The big question about Jeffrey Epstein is how he got so much money. They like to say he blackmailed people; more likely he swindled them, and cheated his partners in a Ponzi scheme.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  191. Robert Reich killed Epstein. Teh diminutive blowhard snuck into the prison, undetected by cameras OR the human eye and strangled teh pervert.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  192. Jill Biden’s speech sounded like they wantedm at first, to make a speech that said something about schools being closed, but then decided they had no place to go with that.

    She said (or was it anarratir>) that Joe Biden proposed to her five times. (the last apparently about when he went t South Africa in 1977(

    She said she was reluctant because she wanted to do it only if it would last. She said in the video that his two boys had lost their mother once and she didn’t want them to lose a “mother” a second time.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  193. Its leaders are always troubadours of trouble; crooners of catastrophe … A Democratic President is doomed to proceed to his goals like a squid, squirting darkness all about him.

    —- Clare Booths Luce

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  194. 72. About Joe Biden reaching out countless times in their moment of need:

    I think that has to do with, whenever he meets someone or some family that lost a loved one to an nn untimely death, he says the same thing happened to him (by now twice) and he gives them his phone number and tells them to call any time they want to talk.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  195. make that Boothe

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  196. 114. 116 Joe Biden traveled to Hpuston the day before George Floyd’s final funeral. (he met privately with the family – Secret Service considerations)

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  197. Dave, still loving yourself some Obamas. Good for you.

    Donald Trump’s ability to make other flawed individuals look good in comparison is limitless.

    But maybe if I say it enough times, it’ll shame you into ceasing to suggest otherwise:

    My unrelenting opposition to Donald Trump is not primarily due to any of political policies of his. To the extent he advocates or advances policies I support, I oppose him even more, for bringing them into disrepute by association with him.

    Dave (1bb933)

  198. Interference?

    I took that as the usual ol’ Trump backhanded sarcasm…not some sincere statement of actually wishing her well.

    Whembly even for you this is a pathetic effort. Come on man. If you’re gonna defend Trump for this grade of evil you need to roll up them sleeves.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  199. I support, I oppose him even more, for bringing them into disrepute by association with him.

    Dave (1bb933) — 8/19/2020 @ 8:03 am

    I wanted a tall walls wide gates kind of immigration where we made the laws we want and enforced them fair and square. Trump has made immigration an impossible issue for conservatives. Some of this is because the press were unfair to Trump. Those photos of Obama era children in cages for example. But Trump is so bad at posing as a conservative he’s babbling about Mexicans being rapists.

    Actually, the proper timing was that Ghislaine was arrested after that acting SDNY prosecutor was replaced. Coincidental

    Whembly, you say that like you contradicted me. Because you are dishonest. Trump failed in his effort. Whatever it was he was seeking, he failed because the loser Barr tried to install didn’t get installed. It seemed like a pretty desperate, last ditch effort. They lied that the USA resigned and he bucked up in front of the whole nation about it, ensuring that a specific person remained in control.

    And she very promptly arrested Ghislaine.

    This suggests the interference effort was related to Trump’s close relationship with Ghislaine.

    I don’t know about you, but if there are multiple photos of me and my wife with another couple, and we’re all hugging eachother in half of them, we’re pretty good friends.

    Remember, the victims were 13 year old kids.

    Ask yourself if you’re some kind of true believer in some kind of politics, or if you’re a troll trying to be obnoxious. If the latter, keep up the good work.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  200. Filed under “Racist-Baiting Grifters“

    And here at home, as George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and a never-ending list of innocent people of color continue to be murdered, stating the simple fact that a Black life matters is still met with derision from the nation’s highest office.

    —- Michelle Obama

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  201. Whembly & Dustin,

    This is a great example of why conspiracy theories annoy me.

    Conspiracy theory 1: Trump & Barr are trying to hide Epstien’s crimes. Barr tried to fire the DAG for the SDNY to slow down / end the investigation of Maxwell. The timing lines up. They were building their case but once the DAG knew they were out to get him they arrested Maxwell. Also Trump said he wishes Maxwell all the best on 2 separate occasions to try and keep her from implicating him.

    Conspiracy theory 2: Trump & Barr are trying to expose Epstien’s crimes. Barr tried to fire the DAG for the SDNY to speed up the investigation of Maxwell. The timing lines up. Once the DAG was out of the way they were able to arrest Maxwell. Trump was clearly being sarcastic when he wished Maxwell all the best on 2 separate occasions so she’d know he was coming for her, but couldn’t claim her investigation was politically motivated.

    Both are plausible, but neither have a lot of evidence to support them.
    We don’t know how long they were investigating Maxwell or why they arrested her when they did. We don’t know why Barr wanted to fire the DAG, or why he lied about it. We don’t know what information about other pedophiles Maxwell has.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  202. Conspiracy theory 2: Trump & Barr are trying to expose Epstien’s crimes. Barr tried to fire the DAG for the SDNY to speed up the investigation of Maxwell. The timing lines up. Once the DAG was out of the way they were able to arrest Maxwell. Trump was clearly being sarcastic when he wished Maxwell all the best on 2 separate occasions so she’d know he was coming for her, but couldn’t claim her investigation was politically motivated.

    Time123 are you saying this is a good faith theory that you find plausible? I just want to know if I should ignore you from now on as a troll.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  203. Just bought more Reynolds Consumer Products stock. Thanks, guys.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  204. @204

    Interference?

    I took that as the usual ol’ Trump backhanded sarcasm…not some sincere statement of actually wishing her well.

    Whembly even for you this is a pathetic effort. Come on man. If you’re gonna defend Trump for this grade of evil you need to roll up them sleeves.

    Dustin (4237e0) — 8/19/2020 @ 8:03 am

    He’s a sarcastic assholistic MF’er.

    Bam. There.

    whembly (c30c83)

  205. Dustin, That’s not a theory that I am asserting is true, or that I think it is likely true. It’s intended to illustrate that the limited facts we have in front of us today can fit any number of scenarios; even ones that are complete opposites.

    FWIW I think Trump wished her well because he knows her and she’s only ever said nice things about him in the past. Trump seems to have a hard and fast rule that when people have only said nice things about him, he says nice things about them.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  206. @210, Whembly, Trump’s discussion of why he said nice things about Maxwell in the Axios interview didn’t seem at all sarcastic IMO.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  207. Epstein‘s rampage through young girls lasted all through the Bush and Obama years, but that he and Maxwell finally got locked up under Trump sounds really suspicious.

    beer ‘n pretzels (28b671)

  208. Northern California… where the sky this morning looks like nuclear winter… where they turn the power off if the wind blows too much and turn it off if it blows too little.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  209. 213… coinkydink?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  210. @205

    Because you are dishonest.

    That’s rich coming from you, who continually argues in bad faith by putting words in other people’s mouth.

    whembly (c30c83)

  211. Less than 20 unarmed blacks were killed by police last year in the U.S. and around 8 so far this year.

    Putting aside the question of whether “only” 20 is a number we should accept with equanimity…

    According to Trump administration statistics, there were two convictions of illegal aliens for homicide or manslaughter last year, and one so far this year.

    Is it race-baiting for a politician or their supporters to mention those?

    Dave (1bb933)

  212. @207. Time123… I agree with you 100%. We don’t know much at this point.

    Hopefully during the prosecution of Maxwell will shed some more light into this.

    whembly (c30c83)

  213. You know the, uh rapidly rising uh… um… I don’t know…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e1b8Hpgkw4A

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  214. 217… an “endless list” of bullschiff from Dave…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  215. Dave, the unjustified killings are only part of the problem. Generally excessive use of force and processes that fails to provide justice for the victims of police violence are bigger problems. But it’s the deaths that get the attention.

    Chavin was a problem but he was most likely just 1 bad apple. The fact that none of the others tried to stop it, and it took days and protests for them to charge him is the systemic issue.

    Time123 (ea2b98)

  216. According to Trump administration statistics, there were two convictions of illegal aliens for homicide or manslaughter last year, and one so far this year.

    Mollie Tibbetts probably feels great about that, Dave.

    beer ‘n pretzels (28b671)

  217. Chavin [sic] was a problem but he was most likely just 1 bad apple. The fact that none of the others tried to stop it, and it took days and protests for them to charge him is the systemic issue.

    This is just one of many wonderful things 47 years under Democratic control will give you.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  218. @222 Woosh

    Time123 (b87ded)

  219. @223 Any evidence of Republican governance leading to better accountability of the police?

    Time123 (b87ded)

  220. I agree Time, and ofc homicide and manslaughter aren’t the only crimes committed by illegal aliens either.

    People do not think rationally when there are emotions involved. The argument that “only” twenty unarmed blacks were killed by police is not going to persuade many black people that their concerns are unwarranted.

    Trump’s inability to look at problems with sympathy for different perspectives is something he and his cultists are proud of, and Michelle Obama’s point was that we need better.

    Dave (1bb933)

  221. @214 I see that you didn’t wake up to a text from a friend this morning saying their were fine but their house was probably going to be gone. There are people who are being affected by the thing making the sky look like nuclear winter.

    (BTW, weeks of 100+ degrees and then lightening strikes aren’t political. Maybe sometimes look at things through a human lens instead of a political one.)

    Nic (896fdf)

  222. The choices made to phase out reliable electricity are political, when the grid collapses youll find out the hard way

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  223. Any evidence of Republican governance leading to better accountability of the police?

    All rioting, looting, violence, ruining of livelihoods pretty much limited to cities under full Democratic control, in most cases, for nearly half a century.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  224. @228 Do you know why the sky looks like nuclear winter? Fire. What has caused the fire? weeks of 100+ degree temperatures and lightening strikes.

    (PG&E is a private company. Are you suggesting MORE regulation?)

    Nic (896fdf)

  225. @229, Cities with Republican mayors have had protests.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  226. 227… my friends and some family lived through it in Napa/Santa Rosa and then Paradise/Chico. Most of the reasons for these fires points DIRECTLY back to politics and policies, who are you kidding?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  227. pg&e has been a chew toy of the state for a long time, do you even read this place in the last 5 years.

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  228. CH, I’m not trying to be snarky or have some silly Dem Vs GOP debate. If you have some insight that “Republican’s put these policies in place and manage things in this way and that results in better outcomes.” I’m interested in it.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  229. 230… policies… get educated… the PUCC is not blameless… this is the kind of state that flips the switch on “clean/green” energy and has nothing in back-up. Short-sighted, feel good policies that Democratics favor.

    Just set your thermostat at 84 degrees, get used to it and shut up.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  230. 234… I have no wish to engage with you, Time, as it’s a waste of same. Have a good day.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  231. @232 Then maybe you should have paid more attention. 1. Paradise/Chico was in the National forest, not state related. 2. The only politics involved was not forcing PG&E to be safer through more regulation.

    233. Since they are my power company, it’s possible I pay more attention to what is happening instead of what is politically convenient. PG&E makes it’s own priority choices. It is, in fact, a private company, not a state utility. You will notice that SMUD, frex, doesn’t spend much time causing fires.

    @232 and @233 I see you are suggesting more regulation. Interesting.

    Nic (896fdf)

  232. @236, I figured it was just a one liner and not based on anything. That’s too bad, it’s a real opportunity to improve.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  233. @235 I see you have chosen to not, in fact address the issue at hand and instead to complain abt clean/green energy which, again in fact, is not causing the sky to look like nuclear winter. And you can’t manage to delineate fire danger from overtaxing the electrical system. And you can’t manage to figure out that power estimates are used regardless of the kind of power being provided.

    Green energy or not green energy is only political because you and people like you on both sides of the aisle can’t be bothered to look at the actual practical applications because you are too busy trying to win an argument against eachother instead of doing what is best for the country.

    Nic (896fdf)

  234. there is reliable energy and not reliable, there are bans on clear cutting, flushing the water out into the sea, to save the smelt,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  235. 155.But to try to make Joe Biden into anything more than the placeholder…

    That’s a zero in mathematics.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  236. @240 I’m very sorry you are forced to form your viewpoint only from political cliches. That must be difficult.

    Nic (896fdf)

  237. 242… that is amusing, coming from you.

    Thanks for the chuckle.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  238. @243 It is sad that you have trouble understanding that “Not Republican” and “Democrat” aren’t the same thing.

    Nic (896fdf)

  239. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/19/2020 @ 7:41 am

    Didn’t we have a great example in that open letter, recently?

    felipe (023cc9)

  240. LOL… yes we did, felipe!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  241. CH, I’m not trying to be snarky or have some silly Dem Vs GOP debate. If you have some insight that “Republican’s put these policies in place and manage things in this way and that results in better outcomes.” I’m interested in it.

    Time123 (b87ded) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:26 am

    NYC under Koch, Dinkins, DeBlasio vs NYC under Giuliani.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  242. Nic,

    tell me when the left wants to stop banning fracking, coal, gas, use of land, safety burns, water rights, and of course NUCLEAR energy, on and on…

    But muh green energy is magic. Perpetual motion machine here we come.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  243. NJRob, I’m 100% sold that DeBlasio is terrible at his job and that Rudy was a much better Mayor. I don’t know that there was better police accountability under Rudy but I’m interested in your thoughts.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  244. Depends how you define accountability. I think interactions with people and respect for the job from both officers and citizens were higher under Giuliani. But that’s also because Giuliani was able to govern a city considered ungovernable by the press just before he was elected. The left hated Giuliani because he was tough on crime, but no one can deny he made the city safer, returned it to being a tourist mecca and a place that businesses invested trillions of dollars.

    All that is now being burned away.

    There will always be bad cops, but in the largest police department in the nation, they had done a job many thought impossible, and as we are seeing cities go to ruin by bankrupt leadership, it is becoming impossible once again.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  245. @248 I am no more invested in what “the left” is doing than I am in what “the right” is doing (see above comment on how both sides of the aisle are more interested in making points that practical discussion).

    On a personal level, I am totally open to a discussion of the cost/benefit of various kinds of energy on a short term and long term basis.

    Though I will admit that I have a personal prejudice against nuclear power. My grandfather died due to wartime exposure to nuclear material and I pretty much refuse to consider it as viable alternative until we have a practical way to deal with used fissible material and other irradiated waste products that does not involve “stick them in the ground and/or in a cave and pray.” I also have significant concerns over the way we have renewed out of date nuclear plants in the past, especially since there also isn’t a good plan for decommissioning them.

    Nic (896fdf)

  246. There is no debate, what you dont understand about a one party state, there are gop who believe in the unicorn of clean energy but they have no influence.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  247. @252 those pesky political cliches again. Such a pity.

    Nic (896fdf)

  248. Its not a cliche, they dont care what you think, there is no chance of replacement.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  249. @254 They care if there are enough of me. You don’t win enough of me by arguing from ignorance, repeating talking points, accusing me of being a dem shill, or telling me my state sucks.

    Nic (896fdf)

  250. 255… a little goes a long way…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  251. @258 We already had this discussion. On this very thread.

    Nic (896fdf)

  252. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/19/2020 @ 12:23 pm

    If you want the piglets to stop suckling at the teat, just sour the milk! Now, if they would only apply that logic to entitlements!

    felipe (023cc9)

  253. Que testarudo son, how stubborn they are.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  254. Nic (896fdf) — 8/19/2020 @ 12:26 pm

    CH is just observing the maxim: “Tell them what you are going to tell them, tell them, then tell them what you told them!”

    felipe (023cc9)

  255. @262 😛

    Nic (896fdf)

  256. After he was nominated, Joe Biden and Jill Bidnden were seen without masks in a room with people (it’s in the local high school, not his home) There were maybe a dozen people around.

    After he finished speaking, Joe Biden put on amask, and his wife dd after him. This gets things orecisely backwards.

    I don’t think Jwow Biden understands the theory behind wearing a mask at all. It’s like an arbitrary thing by him that the high priests of medicine say to do and people do or they don’t do.

    The whole mask thing is half farcical. What counts is the presence or sunlight, ventilation, temperature (48 degrees F keeps the virus most stable) and the length of and degree of possible exposure. And cleaning surfaces is just about irrelevant, by the way..

    Not all masks are created equal but they are treated as equal. It’s half a farce.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  257. 231. Nic (896fdf) — 8/19/2020 @ 11:35 am

    “stick them in the ground and/or in a cave and pray.”

    It’s stick them in the ground, label them, and either hope nobody wants to disturb it in 30, 100 or whatever number of years, or at least make it no more dangerous than a natural lode of uranium ore. They’ve got all sorts of ideas.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  258. That’s rich coming from you, who continually argues in bad faith by putting words in other people’s mouth.

    whembly (c30c83) — 8/19/2020 @ 8:40 am

    As I recall you were really upset I applied your argument in ways that showed you were wrong, and because you couldn’t really save your point you found this to be misquoting (though there were no quotations).

    It is actually very useful to see this zealousness from Trump fans and fanatics. There is nothing you won’t defend, no truth you won’t ignore, and if you’re wrong you just say fake news. It’s boring if you’re not going to attempt to be a little more creative though. Honestly you’ve probably just been doing this too long and need to take a break from your hard work.

    Dustin, That’s not a theory that I am asserting is true, or that I think it is likely true

    Because it is a horribly dishonest analysis, Time123. And the victims of rape were as young as 13 years old. This isn’t a game. It is a matter of common sense that Trump did not push for her prosecution. Even a cursory look at his remarks show he is pretending to be unaware of any of it, and doesn’t care about it.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  259. Depends how you define accountability. I think interactions with people and respect for the job from both officers and citizens were higher under Giuliani. But that’s also because Giuliani was able to govern a city considered ungovernable by the press just before he was elected. The left hated Giuliani because he was tough on crime, but no one can deny he made the city safer, returned it to being a tourist mecca and a place that businesses invested trillions of dollars.

    All that is now being burned away.

    There will always be bad cops, but in the largest police department in the nation, they had done a job many thought impossible, and as we are seeing cities go to ruin by bankrupt leadership, it is becoming impossible once again.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/19/2020 @ 11:34 am

    It depends on the goal. If the goal is a better, safer city, you take problems, serious and minor, and improve them. Bad cops = improve the cops. Every employer knows how you improve the quality of your employees.

    I don’t credit Giuliani with NYC’s amazing improvement so much as I credit him for recognizing progress and not getting in the way. Commissioner Bratton’s broken windows theory was that if you go after all the people who refuse to pay for the subway, you eliminate most of the other crime, and when that turned out to be true, he applied it with massive amounts of very well trained police officers. It isn’t cheap, but it made NYC almost a luxury to walk around, which turned out to pay for the cost, just as you say. The folks in NYC are more powerful than the folks in Minneapolis or St Louis, but there’s another issue at play. All the powerful folks realize they can work from home now. They couldn’t do that in New York 20 years ago.

    We’re witnessing a terrible abandonment of the weak in our cities.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  260. 262… it’s the ol’ lead a Pygmy pony to water scenario…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  261. @268 Why do you never know what you are talking about? You can google PG&E and profits and get factual information as to where their money is going as well as information on the choices the company made instead of doing proper maintenance (hint: It doesn’t have to do with green energy). Stop spouting political cliches or linking to people spouting political cliches and get your own thoughts.

    Nic (896fdf)

  262. I see that lying corksoaker 0bama told the Shamvention audience about federal officers going after “peaceful protestors”.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)


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