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8/15/2020

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:00 am



[guest post by Dana]

Here are a few news items from the week. Feel free to share anything you might think readers would find interesting. Please make sure to include links.

First news item

Cue the Q qwazy:

Trump celebrated the victory of Marjorie Taylor Greene, who defeated a fellow Republican by 14 points Tuesday, advancing to what is likely to be a win in November for Georgia’s 14th congressional district seat. Greene believes in QAnon…“Well she did very well in the election,” Trump said during a White House press briefing Friday. “She won by a lot. She was very popular. She comes from a great state and she had a tremendous victory, so absolutely I did congratulate her.” When a reporter from the Associated Press tried to press him on whether he agreed with the candidate embracing QAnon, Trump moved on to another reporter.

Second news item

Mask-up, Georgia. What have you got to lose?

President Trump’s coronavirus task force warns that Georgia continues to see “widespread and expanding community viral spread” and that the state’s current policies aren’t enough to curtail COVID-19.

The task force “strongly recommends” Georgia adopt a statewide mandate that citizens wear masks, joining a chorus of public health officials, Democrats and others who have warned that Gov. Brian Kemp’s refusal to order face coverings has plunged the state into deeper crisis and will prolong recovery.

“Current mitigation efforts are not having a sufficient impact,” the report said.

Third news item

Apparently, only Florida mail-in voting is safe::

President Trump and first lady Melania Trump have reportedly requested mail-in ballots for Florida’s upcoming primary election, even as the president has railed against mail-in voting as supposedly being rife with fraud. Citing records of the Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections, CNN’s Ana Cabrera reports that the ballots were mailed to Mar-a-Lago on Wednesday.

Related: Dr. Fauci on in-person voting:

“I think if carefully done according to the guidelines, there’s no reason that I can see why that not be the case…There’s no reason why we shouldn’t be able to vote, in person or otherwise. You can do that…If you go and wear a mask, if you observe the physical distancing and don’t have a crowded situation, there’s no reason why you shouldn’t be able to do that…He said people who are at higher risk or don’t want to take the chance can have a vote-by-mail option.

Fourth news item

Peace with Israel is a dream come true:

Believing in conspiracies like the idea that Israel was the true mastermind behind 9/11 or that Israel is funding ISIS was prevalent, mainstream, part of the culture. It was a hate taught and passed down through generations by people who had never once interacted with a Jew.

It’s so weird looking back at it now, trying to understand how it is that I had this hate in my heart for an entire group of people I had never met.

I myself didn’t meet a Jewish person until I was about 25 years old and traveling through New York. He also happened to be an Israeli.

I’m not going to lie: I was nervous when he first told me where he was from. I didn’t know how to feel about, if I was supposed to walk away, or punch him in the face.

But something came over me, a curiosity, a deep desire to know more about this person I was taught to just hate. We talked about a wide range of topics in the short time we spent together, but the one that interested me the most was Israel.

You could tell he loved his country; there was a glow about him when talking about his favorite bakery that he would go to on the marina, or how he enjoys his chicken shawarma with pickles and garlic paste — just the way I would eat it as a kid in the UAE.

When I told him where I was coming from and that I was Lebanese, he smiled and said he would love to one day visit Dubai or the beaches in Beirut. And then, he quickly realized, as I did, that this would probably never happen in our life time.

Fifth news item

Yikes,Yale!

A Justice Department investigation has found Yale University is illegally discriminating against Asian American and white applicants, in violation of federal civil rights law, officials said Thursday…Yale denied the allegation, calling it “meritless” and “hasty.”…The two-year investigation concluded that Yale “rejects scores of Asian American and white applicants each year based on their race, whom it otherwise would admit,” the Justice Department said…

Sixth news item

Stay classy, America:

A teen who shared a photo of a crowded hallway at her Georgia high school last week says she has been receiving threats after the image went viral.

North Paulding High School sophomore Hannah Watters told CNN she and her family and friends have been receiving screenshots of group chats with threatening language against her.

One message said “I know where this girl lives,” she said. Other threats included, “We’re going to jump every girl named Hannah in the tenth grade,” and, “Hannah is going to have a rough day at school on Monday,” Hannah told Boris Sanchez Sunday night on CNN’s “Newsroom.”

Seventh news item

To Russia with love: Hard pass:

Russian officials in Moscow…have offered “unprecedented cooperation” with Operation Warp Speed (OWS), the US multi-agency body set up to accelerate access to effective Covid-19 vaccines and treatments.

But the officials told CNN that the “US is not currently open” to the Russian medical advances.
“There is a general sense of mistrust of Russia on the American side and we believe that technologies — including vaccine, testing and treatments — are not being adopted in US because of that mistrust,” one senior Russian official told CNN.

Other US officials told CNN the Russian vaccine is considered so half-baked in the United States that it hadn’t even piqued US interest in a serious way before the rollout. “There’s no way in hell the US tries this (Russian vaccine) on monkeys, let alone people,” one US government public health official said.

Eighth new item

Golden State gouge:

…Neil Cavuto questioned California State Assemblyman Rob Bonta…over his proposal to institute a 0.4% wealth tax on Golden State residents worth more than $30 million.

The Alameda Democrat told Cavuto the proposed tax “affects about 0.15% of the California population — not the top 10%, not the top 1%, the top .15%, about 30,000 people” and would generate $7.5 billion in revenue for the state.

Bonta added that his proposal would apply a “phased-in approach” to make sure Sacramento recoups its share of the income of a California resident who leaves the state.

“If you move in Year One, 90% of the tax bill applies…” he said, adding that the following year it drops to 80% and so on until it is phased out to zero…

Cavuto questioned whether such a move was legally feasible.

“For ten years, the wealth was accumulated during their time in California … and that is what we’re proposing in our bill. We believe we can do that, certainly we’re open to dialogue and discussion as we move the bill forward, but we think it’s a sound approach and has a strong legal foundation,” said Bonta.

Ninth news item

Let’s get this done:

(h/t Simon Jester)

Have a good weekend.

–Dana

476 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. I just want to go home to my own planet. I feel like I have been serving a sentence in a madhouse.

    Simon Jester (c393b1)

  2. FBI lawyer to plead guilty in Durham investigation

    But, I guess this isn’t newsworthy.

    beer ‘n pretzels (05696d)

  3. Greene believes in QAnon…

    And I don’t understand why she’s getting grief for it. AA has its counterpart in AlAnon to provide support for the families of alcoholics, why shouldn’t there be QAnon for Qs?

    nk (1d9030)

  4. America’s Authoritarian Governor

    It’s not the one you think.

    Rip Murdock (36e2c3)

  5. It’s an open thread, #3. “Feel free to share anything you might think readers would find interesting.”

    For example: The remote control for my new airconditioner turns on my Roku TV.

    nk (1d9030)

  6. why shouldn’t there be QAnon *to provide support for the families of* Qs?

    nk (1d9030)

  7. Weissmann weighs on the Clinesmith guilty plea, and comedy ensues:

    “Question for [U.S. Attorney General William Barr]: how are [former national security adviser Michael Flynn’s] confessed lies to the FBI (repeated to the VP) not a crime, but Clinesmith changing an email (the full version of which he also sent to DOJ) is?” Weissmann tweeted, referencing the Justice Department’s controversial move to withdraw its case against Flynn, who had already pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.

    Weissmann later asserted that there were “two systems of justice at play.”

    “Questions judge should ask before accepting Clinesmith guilty plea: What precisely is the falsity of the statement that Clinesmith made? What investigation was it material to?” he tweeted.

    https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/512151-mueller-deputy-weissmann-criticizes-doj-for-bringing-case-ex-fbi-lawyer

    Pot and kettle, together again. “What investigation was it material to?“ LOL

    And, what happened to the mantra “Injustice by a perp is done in their name — injustice by a cop is done in our name?” Only for BLM I guess.

    beer ‘n pretzels (888d61)

  8. But, I guess this isn’t newsworthy

    So how many million dollars has Durham spent uncovering three words in an email that the FBI Inspector General had already fully documented in a public report last year?

    Dave (1bb933)

  9. A million years ago, I was a high school debater, and did pretty well.

    We would collect statements from authorities that were contradictory. Sometimes they would be out of context, sometimes not.

    Then we would wait for someone to cite that authority.

    So there was no true or false. Just context, that we didn’t care about.

    This is why, by the way, I am not an attorney.

    Now it is part of our national discourse. Sadly.

    I just want our leaders to state their standards, and live by them.

    Like I wrote, I need to return to my own planet.

    Simon Jester (c393b1)

  10. FBI lawyer to plead guilty in Durham investigation

    But, I guess this isn’t newsworthy.

    You know, beer ‘n pretzels, you are free to add links here to stories that you find interesting, and think others might too. That’s the beauty of an open thread. I posted stories that I found interesting, and thought readers might too. YMMV. I think rather than just linking to it, and then snarking about me not having included it, you might want to give a one or two sentence summary of the event.

    Dana (292df6)

  11. thats an excellent question about qanon mr nk and im sure theres a very shocking and sinister answer for it being covered up by deep state in their child brothel pizza parlors

    Dave (1bb933)

  12. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2019/10/22/now-california-can-assess-taxes-no-matter-where-you-livereally/#1643bdd43e7f

    California already taxes professional athletes on their earnings per game is the state, California taxes other professionals like radio and TV hosts who do a show out here while visiting… Rush Limbaugh comes to mind.
    If a wealthy person moves from the State, yet maintains a home here or even stays in a hotel, they tax that person on their time here. If you drive from Arizona through Califoria to Oregon and use your cell phone, they tax you for the time here. Spend more than 45 days a year here here? You may be taxed a resident.

    If you move to another state and sell an asset within a couple weeks of arrival, California will claim you did not live long enough in the new state to establish residency

    If you move from California and do not inform the DMV properly by taking your plates off and mailing them in, they will still charge your vehicle registration fees

    steveg (43b7a5)

  13. I just want to go home to my own planet. I feel like I have been serving a sentence in a madhouse.

    I get this, Simon Jester. I feel like I’ve shaken my head in disbelief more this year than any other year in my life. So, my comfort is knowing that God in His heavens remains a constant, no matter the chaos swirling around us. It gives me hope. And without hope, what’s the point?

    Dana (292df6)

  14. If this is an open thread, I strongly suggest everyone push for rapid testing for COVID-19 as described in this video.

    https://twitter.com/j_g_allen/status/1294600202175873024?s=20

    Also, this (at one point needlessly political) essay does a great job explaining the technology and approaches and shortfalls.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/how-to-test-every-american-for-covid-19-every-day/615217/?fbclid=IwAR1oyZ9xavaHt_4C4O7RMdXDJ8S5fB7GJSlawKxqj-g85k3Acvza7L2OOzU

    We CAN get out of this mess. But bureaucracy (and it is sadly nonpartisan) stands in the way.

    Here is a group that wants to change that:

    https://www.rapidtests.org/

    Stay safe and healthy, friends.

    Simon Jester (c393b1)

  15. I just reread my post. It was mostly clear? but the part about being taxed for driving through the state and using the cell phone was unclear.
    People driving through the state don’t get taxed for the day, but the Franchise Tax board will consider that time as part of your 45 days. So if you move, you absolutely cannot spend 45 days here without being cosidered a resident for tax purposes and plan your route to Oregon accordingly.

    I am uncertain how they handle out of state truckers

    steveg (43b7a5)

  16. Dana, thank you. I want to go reread St. Augustine. He witnessed a real end of the world at the end of his life, and found faith and strength.

    Best wishes to you and your family.

    Simon Jester (c393b1)

  17. Also…some of the folks doing research in my and associated fields just up and created the tests we need.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.23.166397v2?fbclid=IwAR0_qPoTioAAkLoYW8A1jO7_aHgSFDfemyoPKlxyN4gmxUfbS7B3ofRnxvM

    Simon Jester (c393b1)

  18. Those all seem like imminently sensible policies, steveg.

    Every dollar collected from a would-be free-loader from out of state is one less they need to take from me, and one more dollar in the state economy.

    It reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw on the passenger door of a student’s car in the university parking lot:

    “Gas, grass or ass – Nobody rides for free”

    Dave (1bb933)

  19. If the FBI lawyer pleads guilty but then files motions, changes counsel, etc., to delay the case until after the election and, if Biden wins, he convinces the Biden DOJ to dismiss the case as unfair because his lie was immaterial … that would be newsworthy.

    DRJ (aede82)

  20. Interesting driver-passenger contract, Dave.

    DRJ (aede82)

  21. Simon Jester,

    That’s a great video presentation on the fast test. I’ve added it to the post. The issue, from what I read, seems to be about the type of machine involved:

    The type of rapid tests that could fundamentally control the virus are not approved for use. While some rapid tests have been approved, they require expensive and unscalable equipment. To control the virus, we need tests that can be easily mass produced, and which can be evaluated by anyone. The technology for such tests exists, but it is currently not approved because it does not meet strict diagnostic criteria.

    Diagnostic criteria are inappropriate for a public health pandemic. When it comes to routine screening, we do not need the diagnostic capabilities of PCR, which can detect remnants of RNA well after a sick person has stopped being contagious. We need a simple test that detects when people are contagious and which can return results immediately.

    I wonder if there is hedging about this because not enough money can be generated by companies by not the more sophisticated diagnostic criteria? Or is it really a matter of one group looking for to end the pandemic, and the other looking for an immediate test result?

    Dana (292df6)

  22. Joe Biden’s first press conference…

    Q: Mr. Biden, what science is backing the decision that masks must be worn outdoors regardless of social distancing measures?

    Biden: Johnny, I’ll take what’s behind the fur curtain…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  23. #8

    Hi Dave.
    I think that its worthwhile to put lawyers on notice that they can’t alter emails.
    I agree it was only three words, but I’m sure you agree that
    1. The FBI changing the wording of another persons email is to be discouraged

    2. The three words that were changed were very important, because Carter Page was a CIA resource and the changes made to Carter Page’s email by Clinesmith made Page look like NOT a CIA resource.

    Obvious questions: Why change an email? Seems odd that an email was being altered… why not simply forward the original without editing?

    Clinesmith admitted he changed the email that led to misleading the FISA court and I think it is worth the money to find out why because we have to trust the FBI not to be altering our emails so they can spy on us

    steveg (43b7a5)

  24. “Gas, grass or ass – Nobody rides for free”

    That dates back to the hippie era, and it’s Trump’s philosophy for all who have any dealings with him. I referenced it to Judge Rao’s debt to Trump in the Flynn case — “Trump doesn’t smoke so Rao’s other choice is to pay for a tank of gas” — but only urbanleftbehind got it.

    nk (1d9030)

  25. Consider “Aunty” Rao the practice round for darling Nikki.

    urbanleftbehind (793c4c)

  26. Dana #21: I think some of it is bureaucratic, and some of it is weird thinking. FDA is in charge, and they want super duper tests. But the antigen test isn’t as accurate, but you can take it every day, and get a result in fifteen minutes. It takes variable amounts of time to get the RT-PCR results (and I do RT-PCR, so I am not quite as confident).

    Diagnostic tests are overdesigned. This is a crisis. A person comes up positive on the antigen spit test, and then they get the RT-PCR test during a short quarantine. We have learned an amazing amount about this virus in a short time, and bureaucracy moves slowly.

    Money? The Feds could drop money from low Earth orbit onto a vendor with the antigen test, just as they are doing for Moderna, Astra-Zeneca, and other vaccine makers.

    It’s just amazing to me.

    I really think the video is helpful. The Atlantic article lays things out darned clearly.

    Just my opinions here.

    But when I suggested we do RT-LAMP assays on campus, the *major* concern was on confidentiality. During a pandemic.

    Simon Jester (c393b1)

  27. Nikki’s come and gone, remember? UN Ambassador, parachuted into a $300,000/year for six hours/year directorship at Boeing?

    nk (1d9030)

  28. @8: #DefundThePolice

    beer ‘n pretzels (edaa99)

  29. @23 steveg (43b7a5)

    I agree steveg, and I try to be consistent that anybody who breaks the law should face the consequences, no matter where they fall on the political spectrum.

    I was more mocking the Trump supporters who constantly whined that Mueller’s investigation into Russian election interference and Trump’s attempts to cover it up was a waste of money.

    Dave (1bb933)

  30. She resigned from the board in March, nk, in “protest” over Boeing accepting the same sort of corporate welfare she eagerly shoveled them as governor…

    Dave (1bb933)

  31. That was a powerful statement, Dana, that a man couldn’t visit a Beirut beach or a Dubai golf course because of his ethnicity.
    Ms. Sullivan also has powerful words about the election Trump is trying to steal.

    Listen to President Trump long enough, and, despite his penchant for falsehood, you’ll eventually hear some unvarnished truth.
    That happened Thursday when he stated his intentions clearly in an interview with Fox Business Network. He doesn’t want to approve billions in emergency funding for the cash-strapped and struggling U.S. Postal Service for a simple reason: Democrats want to expand mail-in voting during the pandemic.
    His words were stark: “Now, they need that money in order to have the Post Office work, so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots.” He added that holding back funding means “they can’t have universal mail-in voting, they just can’t have it.”
    In other words, he doesn’t want American citizens, fearful of exposure to the coronavirus, to have every opportunity to vote in November.

    Paul Montagu (c280e0)

  32. 1.I just want to go home to my own planet. I feel like I have been serving a sentence in a madhouse.

    Welcome to 1964.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. @10, @19: All the breathless headlines about Flynn four years ago, but a law enforcement official deceiving the court isn’t worth a mention. LOL

    beer ‘n pretzels (ea76e1)

  34. An at-home test that is akin to the simple and ubiquitous at-home pregnancy test is something we should be clamoring for. But, as with most developments that bureaucracy is involved with, foot-dragging and obsolete thinking seem too often to be the mindset of those involved. Consider at-home pregnancy tests: they were delayed in becoming available to the public due to “concerns over sexual morality and the ability of women to perform test and cope with the results without a doctor.” Ability to perform the test? You are literally just peeing on a stick. Coping with results? There are only two possible results, and women who have had intercourse, and suspect they might be pregnant because they’ve missed their periods, understand that. Disappointment or worry is nobody’s business to fix, or prevent.

    Dana (292df6)

  35. steveg 23,

    The reliable details/answers will be in the statements at the hearing when the court accepts the guilty plea.

    DRJ (aede82)

  36. @10, @19: All the breathless headlines about Flynn four years ago, but a law enforcement official deceiving the court isn’t worth a mention. LOL

    Again, beer ‘n pretzels, you are free to link to any story that interests you. And even more, you are free to actually discuss the story in as much details as you want, which might be a better use of time rather than just sniping at me for not choosing to post about what you want to see posted.

    Dana (292df6)

  37. b n p
    this is an orange man bad site
    period

    mg (8cbc69)

  38. There are different COVID tests, e.g., diagnostic and antibody, and different brands. The diagnostic tests can be rapid or take days to get results. But there are questions about accuracy AND timing of the tests matter. I have talked to a COVID doctor whose experience is tests are right 20-40% of the time.

    DRJ (aede82)

  39. 27.Nikki’s come and gone, remember? UN Ambassador, parachuted into a $300,000/year for six hours/year directorship at Boeing?

    Haley hit the silk in time as ‘Boeing’ crashed and burned while ‘Beau-ing’ these days is a dead man’s crutch.

    Naturally tanned, rested, ready- Nikki needs a mature haircut, a touch of grey and she is your first woman CIC at the ready.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. Sniping is the point. Trump proves it gets results for him, and individual results are what matters in our entertainment-based society.

    DRJ (aede82)

  41. Paul Montague @ 31,

    It’s a wonderful eye-opening essay. And it’s just so sad and sweet how easy it was for these to guys to find common ground, and be drawn to one another in spite of all the hatred toward the Jews.

    Dana (292df6)

  42. Right, DCSCA?

    DRJ (aede82)

  43. 30.She resigned from the board in March, nk, in “protest” over Boeing accepting the same sort of corporate welfare she eagerly shoveled them as governor…

    The list of Republicans who don’t coddle DoD contractors is shorter than Kamala Harris’ presidential campaign.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  44. Naturally tanned, rested, ready- Nikki needs a mature haircut, a touch of grey and she is your first woman CIC at the ready.

    I understand that you are trying to be complimentary toward Haley, but she’s not even running for office and you’ve already picked at her physical appearance.

    Dana (292df6)

  45. @42. Yep. As long as he diverts, flags, questions and wonders out loud over anything he gets headlines and coverage from a hungry media and bigfoots any whine from Plagiarist JoeyBee and Beau-jobbed Harris. Expect more birther chumming, UFO speculations, postal fraud pondering and demands to football.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  46. @44. For better or worse, that’s the era we live in. Nixon learned that the hard way w/JFK. So did a helmeted Dukakas and a sailboarding Kerry. Reagan exploited it; as did Thatcher.

    How you look and sound on television is all that matters. What you say is lost.

    The medium is the message.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  47. “Something tells me that Mr. Clinesmith knows where the bodies are buried, and if I were in the FBI working on Crossfire Hurricane [the Russia investigation], I would be very worried right now,” Graham said.

    “An FBI lawyer in charge of reviewing warrants is going to plead guilty to falsifying documents to the FISA court against a Trump advisor, and if you are lucky, you’ll find this in the mainstream media for 30 seconds.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lindsey-graham-kevin-clinesmith-guilty-plea-reaction

    Unlike Flynn, maybe Clinesmith had a tune to sing.

    beer ‘n pretzels (05696d)

  48. Haley… but she’s not even running for office

    She is running. Just not this cycle.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  49. It would be bigger news if the Clinesmith charges were dropped, as the IG already caught him dead to rights.
    Also, I thought Durham was supposed to be finding all this new alleged corruption that was missed by the IG and others, not regurgitate something that everyone already knew about.

    Paul Montagu (c280e0)

  50. Four years ago the commenters here cared about the law, beer ‘n pretzels. Now most don’t. But I care if the FBI is being corrupted by any President. The guilty plea documents and hearing will tell us what happened in a more reliable way.

    DRJ (aede82)

  51. He did it on his own, not merely he was a party to the fraud against carter page

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1294479953552183297

    Furthered by ignatius and miss watkins like kristof did to hatfill.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  52. Flynn had a tune but he changed it.

    DRJ (aede82)

  53. Why did you change your name, bolivar?

    DRJ (aede82)

  54. It aince comey, mccabe strzok seem to be above the law, like podesta weber and craig.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  55. New computer, same old attitude.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  56. More from the humdrum world of prosecutorial misconduct:

    Attorneys for Patriot Prayer leader Joey Gibson contend Multnomah County’s new District Attorney Mike Schmidt is engaging in unfair, selective prosecution by refusing to dismiss a sole riot allegation against Gibson, in light of his new office policy against pursuing that lone charge against people involved in recent Portland protests.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/lawyer-for-patriot-prayers-joey-gibson-alleges-selective-prosecution-by-new-multnomah-county-da-who-wont-dismiss-gibsons-riot-charge.html

    Coming to a jurisdiction near you.

    beer ‘n pretzels (05696d)

  57. https://freebeacon.com/campus/pennsylvania-district-mandates-white-supremacy-lessons-for-kindergartners/

    Let’s start the communist indoctrination in kindergarten. Yay.

    Must teach children to hate themselves.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  58. https://pjmedia.com/culture/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/08/amid-deadly-riots-oprah-signs-on-to-adapt-anti-american-1619-project-n620979

    More racism coming from a celebrity. But some people are more equal than others.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  59. I object to marching on individuals homes: Hundreds of protesters march on Postmaster General Louis DeJoy’s DC home after Obama’s claim that Trump is ‘kneecapping USPS’ to suppress voters

    DRJ (aede82)

  60. He gave a hint that he would last week, DRJ, when he mentioned The Stainless Steel Rat.

    No offense, Slippery Jim, but my first thought was if Trump was your “Angelina”, when diGriz first met her, a murderous super-villain with the power to elicit absolute suicidal devotion from her minions.

    nk (1d9030)

  61. @44. PS. Remember Cardigan Carter? Or Confused Reagan debating Mondale? JoeyBee appears frail and cadaver-like every single time he is on camera an afraid to leave Delaware. And Harris projects the caustic charm of a substitute math teacher. Image over substance rules. And Trump has mastered this through multiple decades working it in the media capital on planet Earth: New York City.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/ilhan-omar-case-closed.php

    Definitive proof that Omar is a fraud and lied to get into the country.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  63. So selective prosecution is ok as long as it us Trump’s DOJ doing it?

    DRJ (aede82)

  64. My 61 was to DRJ’s 53: Why did you change your name, bolivar?

    nk (1d9030)

  65. Being a weak President may appeal to people who find Trump overbearing and a bully, DCSCA.

    DRJ (aede82)

  66. He wants to be known as a conman and a rat?

    DRJ (aede82)

  67. I find it somewhat amazing that Oceania has allowed videos of violence and rioting in Chicago and Portland to slip past the Ministry of Truth and actually be aired on the main stream media, NBC, CBS, ABC, and even report that citizens are LEAVING those Oceania strongholds!

    Also (though not broadcast on CNN or MSNBC) the WH reporters present in Trump’s daily briefings are mostly asking sensible, on topic and respectful questions…. not the usual gotcha crap.

    WHAT IS HAPPENING… WHAT IS WRONG….IS SOMETHING CHANGING!?

    Eyefull (fd0e2c)

  68. Four years ago the commenters here cared about the law, beer ‘n pretzels. Now most don’t.

    Right, DRJ. It’s sad.

    In Loving Memory

    Logan Act Enforcement

    January 2017 ~ January 2021

    R.I.P.

    beer ‘n pretzels (ac43f5)

  69. Pretty sure we had a revolution over less than the slavery California is attempting to place on its citizens subjects.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  70. beer ‘n pretzels,

    First, Patterico suggested repealing the Logan Act more than two years ago, so few here care about that law (except the ones carrying a torch for charges against John Kerry and Jane Fonda).

    Second, Flynn was charged with lying — just like the FBI lawyer — so you are in favor of giving them equal legal concern, right?

    DRJ (aede82)

  71. Trump’s corruption and perpetual inability to be truthful has been normalized by a large swath of Americans. These people are willing to look the other way when commits offense, while pointing the finger at an opponent for an even lesser offense, and indignantly cry out “But look what *he* did!” to justify the bad behavior of the actual sitting President of the United States. Trump has ushered in and christened a nation of squabbling children unable to accept responsibility but always willing to point the finger of blame elsewhere.

    Dana (292df6)

  72. 66.Being a weak President may appeal to people who find Trump overbearing and a bully, DCSCA.

    Not enough to be a winner. Bully beats milquetoast every time.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. Using the law to get even is what Trump does, and his supporters applaud. It is what Obama and his supporters did, too. Both are wrong.

    DRJ (aede82)

  74. @60.Hundreds of protesters march on Postmaster General Louis DeJoy’s DC home after Obama’s claim that Trump is ‘kneecapping USPS’ to suppress voters

    Americans could all mail him a nasty letter, instead. But would it get delivered?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. He wants to be known as a conman and a rat?

    A Stainless Steel Rat burrowing inside a futuristic technocracy, but that’s his backstory. When we meet him, he has been “turned” and is now an agent of Super Deep State, sent after “Angelina” a super villainess, whom he reforms and marries, and they have many adventures and a couple of children together.

    nk (1d9030)

  76. 67.He wants to be known as a conman and a rat?

    [ ] Wally Cox’s ‘Mr. Peepers’

    [ X ] Larry Hagman’s ‘J.R. Ewing’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  77. so you are in favor of giving them equal legal concern, right?

    No, actually.

    1. Flynn was targeted, using the Logan Act.
    2. Clinesmith wasn’t targeted. He came to attention as a result of his unlawful actions.
    3. Clinesmith is a law enforcement official. Flynn isn’t.

    beer ‘n pretzels (b4ffb7)

  78. https://nypost.com/2020/08/14/nypd-union-endorses-trump-nicknames-joe-biden-sleepy-joe/

    In unprecedented times, a union crosses sides and supports the president because the other side is anarchy and chaos.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  79. The powerful help each other but corrupting the law leaves little guys exposed, because we don’t have a powerful protector like Flynn. This should matter to everyone but far too many have given up on the law. Clearly they think it could not get worse but it can.

    DRJ (aede82)

  80. @31

    28 Million Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections

    “Between 2012 and 2018, 28.3 million mail-in ballots remain unaccounted for, according to data from the federal Election Assistance Commission. The missing ballots amount to nearly one in five of all absentee ballots and ballots mailed to voters residing in states that do elections exclusively by mail.”

    Since Oceania is desperate and willing to do anything to win this election, do you think this is news worthy or of concern?

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/24/28_million_mail-in_ballots_went_missing_in_last_four_elections_143033.html#!

    Eyefull (fd0e2c)

  81. So different rules for different people, according to beer n pretzels.

    DRJ (aede82)

  82. #72 — That’s partly a result of the “Let Trump be Trump!” doctrine — the idea that he has such great leadership genius, such exeptional native wisdom, such resolute courage, such noble patriotic purpose, that he should be exempt from any judgment. It’s basically Trump’s own warped self-image turned into a political ideology.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  83. so you are in favor of giving them equal legal concern, right?

    No, actually.

    How can you even say this with a straight face?

    Dana (292df6)

  84. Saliva-based coronavirus test funded by NBA, NBPA gets emergency authorization from FDA
    ……
    The test, known as SalivaDirect, is designed for widespread public screening. The cost per sample could be as low as about $4, though the cost to consumers will likely be higher than that — perhaps around $15 or $20 in some cases, according to expert sources.

    Yale administered the saliva test to a group that included NBA players and staff in the lead-up to the league’s return to play and compared results to the nasal swab tests the same group took. The results almost universally matched, according to published research that has not yet been peer-reviewed.

    The leading coronavirus saliva test, developed at a Rutgers University lab and given the same permission by the FDA in mid-April, costs individual consumers up to $150 — though that can be reduced to $60 or $70 in some circumstances, said Andrew Brooks, an associate professor at Rutgers and chief operating officer of RUCDR Infinite Biologics, the lab behind the test. The Rutgers test can be taken at home and returns results in 24 to 48 hours.
    ………
    The NBA, Yale and the players’ association do not intend to take royalties from any use of the testing method, Grubaugh and others said. The NBA and union contributed more than $500,000 combined to fund the Yale work, sources told ESPN.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (36e2c3)

  85. No sidney powell who has been party to travesties like weissman did to arthur andersen, his previous atty probably spent his time at the jockey club.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  86. It’s basically Trump’s own warped self-image turned into a political ideology.

    The problem is, while Trump’s time is limited – whether it be a few more months, or four more years – the people who allowed him to turn this warped self-image into a political ideology and stoked the fires, will remain. Whether funding candidates down ticket who resemble his persona, or backing another corrupt and dishonest conman for the presidency in a few years, they will still have influence. And depending on how the next four years go, it could be even angrier and more motivated than in 2016.

    Dana (292df6)

  87. So different rules for different people, according to beer n pretzels.

    Sorry, you have me confused with Comey, McCabe, et al.

    beer ‘n pretzels (888d61)

  88. RIP Gov. “Big Jim” Thompson (84)

    Rip Murdock (36e2c3)

  89. It aince comey, mccabe strzok seem to be above the law…

    Why didn’t Barr indict any of them? Barr is Trump’s boy.

    Paul Montagu (c280e0)

  90. How can you even say this with a straight face?

    Why not respond to the reasons I gave?

    I’ll add a fourth, which you already know:

    4. Flynn’s lies were not material. Clinesmith’s were.

    beer ‘n pretzels (888d61)

  91. You have ti convict them with a dc jury, see ted stevens or not as time determined.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  92. I pointed out the transcript, the only lies were those proferred by strzok and pientza, which proves my point they are above the law, like susan rosenberg among others

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  93. Whatabout Flynn?? seems to be the default response.

    beer ‘n pretzels (368b0a)

  94. 1. Flynn was targeted, using the Logan Act.

    Kislyak was targeted, not Flynn, and Flynn should’ve known better that his conversations with the Russian diplomat were tapped. The Logan Act was trial-ballooned and appropriately tossed.

    Paul Montagu (c280e0)

  95. As for this taskforce which practices the divining,

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  96. I’ll add a fourth fifth, which you already know:

    4. Flynn’s lies were not material. Clinesmith’s were.
    5. Flynn was a minion of Angelina’s Trump’s Putin’s. Clinesmith was not.

    nk (1d9030)

  97. The timing may not be on Trump’s side if the Court of Appeals denies the writ and remands for the inquiry Sullivan wants. Who knows what the inquiry will show on October 30?

    nk (1d9030)

  98. Its a shame they didnt adapt harrisons work, but look at the junk they do. Hes a little like peter quill.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  99. It just strikes how beat for beat this was like the fitz comey plame sham, and its not a coincidence. Same players 14 years apart down to chris wray who played stuart sutcliffe (back up beattle)

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  100. Justice Department Completes Review of Errors in FISA Applications
    …….
    The Justice Department’s review had been ordered by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), which oversees government applications for surveillance warrants against suspected agents of foreign powers. In the wake of the Justice Department Office of the Inspector General report, the court asked the FBI and attorneys from the Justice Department’s National Security Division’s Office of Intelligence to carefully parse each of the 29 FISA applications reviewed by the inspector general’s office and flagged in its report. The FISC had asked the Justice Department to determine the materiality of the errors the inspector general’s office identified and to assess whether the errors rendered invalid the surveillance authorities granted by the FISC.
    ……….
    In the first 14 applications it reviewed, the Justice Department’s Office of Intelligence identified 63 non-material errors or unsupported facts, and one misstatement or omission that it deemed material. Of the 63 non-material errors or unsupported facts, according to the filing, 29 reflected typographical errors or date discrepancies between an application and a source document. Of the remaining 34, according to the filing, “13 involve non-material factual assertions that may be accurate, but for which a supporting document could not be located in the FBI’s files, and 21 involve non-material deviations between a source document and an application and/or a misidentified source of information.” The number of errors per application ranged from zero to 15. The details of the errors, and the Justice Department’s analysis of their materiality, was censored from the report.

    In the 15 remaining applications, the Office of Intelligence identified one material misstatement in an application for authorization to conduct electronic surveillance and carry out a physical search relating to an individual the FBI suspected might be an agent of a foreign power. The error “involved the difference between the statement in an application stating that the target had become sympathetic toward a particular terrorist group and the supporting documentation which established that a witness reported that this target had become more sympathetic to radical Muslim causes,” according to the filing. The Office of Intelligence deemed the error relevant to a probable cause determination, but ultimately concluded that it “did not invalidate the requested probable cause determination based on the significant, contemporaneous derogatory information in the application.”

    The review of these applications also turned up 139 non-material errors or unsupported facts, with the number of errors per application ranging from zero to 23. Forty-eight were typographical errors or date discrepancies between an assertion in the application and a source document. Of the remaining 91 errors, “four involve non-material factual assertions that may be accurate, but for which a supporting document could not be located in FBI’s files; 73 involve non-material deviations between a source document and an application; and 13 involve errors in which the source of an otherwise accurate factual assertion was misidentified.” Descriptions of the errors and the Justice Department’s reasoning in deeming them immaterial were redacted.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (36e2c3)

  101. Since Oceania is desperate and willing to do anything to win this election, do you think this is news worthy or of concern?
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/24/28_million_mail-in_ballots_went_missing_in_last_four_elections_143033.html#!

    FakeNews shouldn’t be newsworthy. Those “missing” ballots were “neither returned undeliverable nor returned from voters”. We don’t say that registered voters who didn’t show up to at polling places have gone missing. Mr. Hemingway is not being honest.
    J. Christian Adams, the guy behind the “28 million missing” charge, was on Trump’s ridiculous Voter Fraud Commission that found no fraud, thus preventing Trump from claiming that he won the popular vote because there were 3 to 5 illegal votes cast against him, and it’s the same J. Christian Adams who wrote a couple of dishonest “Alien Invasion” documents.

    Paul Montagu (c280e0)

  102. 28 Million Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections

    “Went missing” means people didn’t return them, which is hardly scandalous, and they had no effect on the election.

    It’s entirely normal, and expected.

    Other than parroting misleading nonsense, do you have a point?

    Dave (1bb933)

  103. I pointed out the transcript, the only lies were those proferred by strzok and pientza…

    The only link you presented out in this thread is your favorite CV19 downtalker, BdG, and I have no idea who “pientza” is.

    Paul Montagu (c280e0)

  104. Hi Dave

    My point was that this is nothing new, although as always in government, it is an increase in scope.
    One of the articles I read described a person who moved from CA to AZ back in 2004. Suddenly the person found his bank account had some funds that had been garnished. The CA DMV had taken the money due to his failure to register his car in CA.

    Here’s the fun part:
    At that point in time, the retroactive registration of the car by the DMV could have been contrued he’d been a resident of CA for tax purposes since 2004. He had to take the DMV to court to get his money back and also to prevent the state from declaring him delinquent for not filing tax returns

    steveg (43b7a5)

  105. Its clear the entire fisa document ran a foul of rule 13

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1294319899351887873

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  106. @ 103, 104

    Excellent, Comrades… your jobs with the Ministry of Truth are secure.

    Yes, the idea of voter fraud is an illusion… it simply does not happen.

    Be certain to quash any rumor that pre-counted, pre-Bidened/Harrised paper ballots will be arriving for tabulation from the gated communities of grave yards.

    Remember: ALL protests are peaceful!

    Eyefull (fd0e2c)

  107. Dear Eyefull

    A report has reached us that the so-called missing ballots were found by Hillary Clinton in her closet in the White House… all votes for her opponents.

    Eyefull (fd0e2c)

  108. 4. Flynn’s lies were not material. Clinesmith’s were.

    beer ‘n pretzels (888d61) — 8/15/2020 @ 11:47 am

    Amazing.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  109. The CA DMV had taken the money due to his failure to register his car in CA.

    This doesn’t surprise me, since the form they send you every year says you have to pay them at least a nominal “planned non-operation fee” if you keep your plates without renewing the registration.

    Dave (1bb933)

  110. Yes clinesmith deleted info that proved that carter page was a company asset bot a russian one, as such the fisa warrant would have gone nowhere, unlike the clinton investigation which involved myriad violations of atatutes.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  111. Pro-Fascism group antifa literally chanted “Kill the Jews!” In a Jewish neighborhood.
    This was not a matter of interpretation.
    They are on video doing so.

    So the biggest story must be postal workers.

    An FBI lawyer is pleading guilty to a crime.
    He was part of a conspiracy to deprive American citizens their constitutionally recognized and God-given civil rights.
    He has agreed to allocute his crimes and implicate others in this conspiracy.

    The big story is the post office.

    Democratics wish to steal an election.
    They want to install a mentally infirm candidate so they can institute their Leftist Collectivist fantasies.
    Democratics do not want their conspiratorial crimes exposed.

    The biggest story is the post office.

    —- Birkel

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  112. But they were so sure of themselves then, they couldnt possibly be wrong now, how many books and magazines and hundreds of hours of video have to be retracted.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  113. 78. 1. Flynn was targeted, using the Logan Act.
    2. Clinesmith wasn’t targeted. He came to attention as a result of his unlawful actions.
    3. Clinesmith is a law enforcement official. Flynn isn’t.
    and
    91. 4. Flynn’s lies were not material. Clinesmith’s were.

    1. Flynn was not targeted. He was an incidental contact because Kislyak was surveilled, as are all Russian officials communicating with people in the US. Flynn knows this.

    2. Clinesmith was investigated as a part of the Trump Administration’s decision to target what happened with the CIA, FBI, etc. I have no problem with this but it was a targeted investigation.

    3. Flynn was the National Security Advisor and a top government official. He took the same oath of office to defend the Constitution as other federal law enforcement officials.

    4. Flynn’s lie was material. He admitted it twice under oath as part of his guilty plea, and explained why. We don’t know about the FBI lawyer because we don’t know the details but I agree that if, as reported, he pleads guilty to lying then he is guilty and it was a material lie.

    DRJ (aede82)

  114. Last week the president announced that he was sabotaging the postal service to try to steal and/or delegitimize the election.

    So yes, the biggest story is the post office.

    Dave (1bb933)

  115. Trump supporters,

    STop trying to defend what Trump says. Defending what Trump says is as useless as defending what Biden says. (But on the plus side for Texans, Trump makes W look smart.) Go back to BINARY CHOICE as you did with Hillary. It is your best option and one that many people — including some here — may ultimately accept.

    DRJ (aede82)

  116. Dates me but Kamala’s ‘stage delivery’ as a VEEP candidate– so far, anyway- reminds me of hatchet man Bob Dole’s VEEP tactics running w/Ford. Caustic, irritable and generally tiresome.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  117. @116. 116.Last week the president announced that he was sabotaging the postal service…

    Newt Gingrich 101; Reaganoptics.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  118. This doesn’t surprise me, since the form they send you every year says you have to pay them at least a nominal “planned non-operation fee” if you keep your plates without renewing the registration.

    One-time fee, paid once even if you keep the car non-op in subsequent years.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  119. Not a bad idea to save the USPS. I’ve heard worse.

    Ok I think I’ve got it.
    We replace the USPS with a new military branch.
    The MAIL FORCE !

    Paul Montagu (c280e0)

  120. 115… if a person is under investigation, that person has been targeted.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  121. (But on the plus side for Texans, Trump makes W look smart.)

    That’s an overreach.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  122. 1. Kisylak was surveilled, as are all Russian officials communicating with people in the US. Flynn knows this.

    Flynn said nothing illegal in those conversations. He was targeted with a perjury trap predicated by Logan Act enforcement, and a breach of WH protocol that even partisan hack Yates objected to.

    2. Clinesmith was investigated as a part of the Trump Administration’s decision to target what happened with the CIA, FBI, etc.

    He was not targeted. You’re spinning. Clinesmith’s wrong-doing was not instigated by the act of investigating. He deceived the court before the IG started his investigation, an IG appointed by Obama not Trump.

    3. Flynn was the National Security Advisor and a top government official. He took the same oath of office to defend the Constitution as other federal law enforcement officials.

    “other federal law enforcement officials”? Flynn was not a LEO. Period.

    4. Flynn’s lie was material

    No, it wasn’t and you offered nothing to substantiate that it was.

    beer ‘n pretzels (441010)

  123. Flynn was prosecuted for what he said to the FBI about his conversations. He denied saying things he had said.

    Every federal official has a duty to defend the Constitution.

    We have discussed materiality before. His lie was material (https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-departments-faulty-arguments-flynn-case) and Flynn admitted it. Show us why it wasn’t.

    DRJ (aede82)

  124. I am not spinning. I am through with you.

    DRJ (aede82)

  125. 125,

    Trying to wrap my mind around that!

    Dana (292df6)

  126. 127,

    I was done at 84.

    Dana (292df6)

  127. @127, @129: DRJ and Dana, sure, I guess it’s an uncomfortable topic.

    beer ‘n pretzels (afb340)

  128. Trump was just asked at a presser whether he would say that Kamala Harris is eligible to be the vice-president, and again, he refused to do so. Instead, he hedged, saying that he read one brief article about it, the lawyer who wrote the Newsweek article (which certainly isn’t what he read) is brilliant, it’s not something that bothers him, and that he will not be “pursuing it”. Moreover, he played his ‘if she’s got a problem, you would think the Democrats would have vetted her’ line.

    Here at the 24:37 mark.

    Dana (292df6)

  129. I guess it’s an uncomfortable topic.

    I’ve seen Dana and DRJ wading into this “uncomfortable topic” numerous times. It’s not about them, bnp, it’s about you impugning their intellectually integrity with your “spinning” and “straight face” comments.

    Paul Montagu (c280e0)

  130. I don’t think she is, because I know what horrors she will bring to this nation, the last outpost of freedom on this green earth, which has been tarnished by power mad governors and municipal officials who treat our heritage, our civil liberties, like an athletic supporter, who conversely give the rioters and yes terrorists, the benefit of the doubt, Andrew Cuomo has to be among the worst of those who have grieved the people, and yet in almost near proportion is praised by senior minister fauci, and needless to say the media,

    you think Obama’s churlish statement was just that, no it’s a Bronx cheer and a signal as to they will finish ‘fundamentally transforming’ this country, and they have made crystal clear, they will silence all opposition, digital as well as otherways, there have been enough signs of surrenders,
    by corporate chieftains, that suggest they will have an easy time of it,

    bolivar de griz (7404b5)

  131. I’ve seen Dana and DRJ wading into this “uncomfortable topic” numerous times. It’s not about them, bnp, it’s about you impugning their intellectually integrity with your “spinning” and “straight face” comments.

    Paul Montagu (c280e0) — 8/15/2020 @ 3:31 pm

    If you’re actually advocating for traitors like Flynn and Trump you should just move to Russia and start praising Putin / openly advocating for the destruction of American democracy. It’s more honest.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  132. Obama’s churlish

    OH GOD NO

    Dustin (4237e0)

  133. Montagu, as usual you tend to your own set of facts. I never used the “straight face” comment, but I’m sure you now think it’s kosher because it was directed at me.

    And, BTW, I didn’t take it as Dana impugning my integrity.

    I’m attempting to have a rational dialogue on an important topic, and it’s been reduced of course to perceived slights and microaggressions.

    beer ‘n pretzels (afb340)

  134. WHY? WHY IS OBAMA CHURLISH?

    Dustin (4237e0)

  135. 131. To be fair to Trump (and play Devil’s advocate to a large degree here), it’s not like Trump brought it up. The media sought to bait him into saying something stupid and he did. But his supporters Trump humpers will no more care about it now than they cared about it back in 2016. The media is just preaching to the choir.

    Gryph (f63000)

  136. 136. From the outside looking in as an impartial observer, it doesn’t look to me like you’re interested in anything I’d consider “rational.”

    Gryph (f63000)

  137. The media sought to bait him into saying something stupid and he did.

    Trying to bait him into saying something intelligent has proven hopeless.

    Dave (1bb933)

  138. I never used the “straight face” comment, but I’m sure you now think it’s kosher because it was directed at me.

    I take that one back, bnp.

    Paul Montagu (c280e0)

  139. “they have made crystal clear, they will silence all opposition, digital as well as otherways, there have been enough signs of surrenders,”

    There’s one party here trying to corrupt the election, and it’s not the democrats.

    Davethulhu (aa65cd)

  140. There’s one party here trying to corrupt the election, and it’s not the democrats.

    Keep repeating that and you’ll have a chance at convincing yourself…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  141. Just watched a CBS News report about President Trump’s attempt to gut the USPS. On the topic of main in voter fraud the phrase “without evidence” was bandied about quite a bit. No mention of the fact that we have not had mail in voting in the volumes contemplated for 2020. Also not mentioned:

    – What happens when a voter casts a mail in ballot and then shows up at the polls on election day and votes again?
    – When multiple votes are sent in from a house with multiple voters, how do we know who actually cast the vote?
    – What happens to a ballot cast from a person at an address they no longer reside at?
    – What happens when a registered voter that is currently deceased casts a ballot? And does anyone really know?
    – What happens when I vote in my current state and also cast a mail in ballot mailed to me by my previous state?

    We don’t need “evidence” to postulate, with a high degree of confidence, that widespread fraud and improper voting is possible with mail in balloting.

    —- SteveW

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  142. “Keep repeating that and you’ll have a chance at convincing yourself…”

    “They want $25 billion — billion — for the post office. Now they need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said. “Now, in the meantime, they aren’t getting there. By the way, those are just two items. But if they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting … because they’re not equipped.”

    Davethulhu (aa65cd)

  143. “We don’t need “evidence””

    The motto of the modern Republican party.

    Davethulhu (aa65cd)

  144. 140. Oh yeah. No doubt. I’m just saying, Trump has [barely] plausible deniability if accused of bringing up Harris’ citizenship status as a campaign strategy.

    Gryph (f63000)

  145. Go find some “systemic racism” thulu.

    In the meantime, who in the FBI tried to steal James OKeefe’s constitutional rights?

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/08/15/they-caved-project-veritas-james-okeefe-emerges-victorious-in-second-amendment-n2574394

    NJRob (03ad44)

  146. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/todays-democratic-party.php

    The state of the modern democratic party. Insanity and hatred all rolled into one.

    NJRob (03ad44)

  147. In the meantime, who in the FBI tried to steal James OKeefe’s constitutional rights?

    Zombie J. Edgar Hoover? Why not try one or more protective orders, filed sometime somewhere, by one or more of the people he has stalked with his camera? Or just the same name as some felon, wife-beater, or addict?

    nk (1d9030)

  148. base on ball biden and his family need counseling

    mg (8cbc69)

  149. 151. Nobody gets all verklempt when the alphabet networks pull that same kind of sh!t on unsuspecting “victims.” Your selective outrage is noted.

    Gryph (f63000)

  150. Your selective outrage is noted.

    I have defended machine gun cases in Illinois, and handgun cases out of Chicago and Morton Grove. I know BS when I see it.

    nk (1d9030)

  151. Teh Windy City…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  152. https://www.npr.org/2020/08/12/901628541/qanon-supporter-who-made-bigoted-videos-wins-ga-primary-likely-heading-to-congre

    The state of the modern republican party. Insanity and hatred all rolled into one.

    Davethulhu (aa65cd)

  153. But if that’s what you like, here’s another “news story” of the same character and quality:Rihanna Makes a Political Statement in Psychedelic Hoodie and Multicolored Sneakers.

    nk (1d9030)

  154. “Your selective outrage is noted.”

    O’Keefe was charged with a federal felony. It was reduced to a misdemeanor, but it wouldn’t surprise me if some piece of paper wasn’t properly pushed.

    Davethulhu (aa65cd)

  155. 158. I forgot about that, Davethulhu. I was thinking about afterwards, when he went to the prosecutor’s home and harassed his wife, the little hobbit. To the prosecutor’s home! His home!

    nk (1d9030)

  156. Wait … 1 out of every 700 Californians is worth more than $30 million? Dollars?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  157. Trump says he will look ‘very strongly’ at granting pardon to whistleblower Edward Snowden.

    Corrupt criminal traitor Putin-panty-sniffer. Be proud, Trumpkins! Be real, real, proud!

    nk (1d9030)

  158. 156. You know that’s the first thing Dana linked in the post, right? 😉

    nk (1d9030)

  159. Yeah, it was more a response to NJRob @150

    Davethulhu (aa65cd)

  160. Clinesmith was assured Trump COULD NOT WIN in 2016.

    He was devasted when Trump did win… “..my goddamned name was all over those legal documents investigating Trump’s staff.”

    Looks like Kevin was set up as a patsy, and now he is singing. Being a smart FBI lawyer, he likely cut a deal to tell everything he knows right up the chain to Obama’s former WH, for his guilty plea and likely has brokered a “no jail time” deal by flipping on the big fish.

    Strzok and Page are likely sweating bullets about now.

    What fun!

    Eyefull (fd0e2c)

  161. @161. Be prouder, conservatives:

    GOP congressman urges Trump to pardon NSA leaker Edward Snowden

    President Trump faced a fresh push Friday from within the Republican Party to pardon Edward J. Snowden, the former U.S. contractor who leaked secrets about government surveillance. Posting on Twitter, Mr. Massie tagged the accounts of both Mr. Trump and Mr. Snowden and encouraged the president to pardon the former U.S. National Security Agency contractor.

    Rep. Thomas Massie, Kentucky Republican, urged Mr. Trump to intervene after a report indicated the president may consider the possibility of letting Mr. Snowden avoid prison.

    “Employees of the US government violated the Constitution and lied to Congress and the American people about it. @Snowden exposed them. This is bigger than him. If he’s punished for his service to the Constitution, there will be more violations of the Constitution, and more lies,” Mr. Massie, a member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and Science, said in a subsequent tweet explaining his reasoning.

    Mr. Snowden, 37, admittedly leaked classified NSA documents to the media in 2013 about the U.S. government’s domestic and foreign surveillance capabilities and accordingly faces related criminal charges of theft and violations of the U.S. Espionage Act. He was outside the U.S. when the leaks and charges became public and has not returned since, however.: – source, washingtontimes.com

    And then there’s Amash’s support…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  162. Next, Trump will be advocating the Russian vaccine.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  163. Strzok and Page are likely sweating bullets about now.

    Hillary will suicide him.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  164. O’Keefe was charged with a federal felony.

    Doesn’t there have to be a conviction?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  165. Regarding the Eighth News Item (Golden State Gouge):

    Cavuto responded that policy makes taxpayers sound like “prisoners of California” — “[Y]ou’re not letting them leave, if you say you leave I’m still going to zoom you.”

    How prescient was Don Henley? From Hotel California:

    “Relax”, said the night man
    “We are programmed to receive
    You can check out any time you like
    But you can never leave.”

    Yes, this is the second time I’ve quoted Henley in a week, but his lyrics are just appropriate to the times.

    norcal (a5428a)

  166. Bonta added that his proposal would apply a “phased-in approach” to make sure Sacramento recoups its share of the income of a California resident who leaves the state.

    The annual income tax loss will be infinitely more. I guess you could, using the same “powers” attach their non-resident income. And if they still don’t pay, you can kidnap them and hold them for ransom.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  167. @ 167 Hillary is back, offering her services to sleepy President Joe.

    She’ll likely wish to be appointed Speaker of the House.

    It will then be Camela who should watch her back.

    Eyefull (fd0e2c)

  168. Second, Flynn was charged with lying — just like the FBI lawyer — so you are in favor of giving them equal legal concern, right?

    The two are not comparable. Flynn lied to an FBI investigation, which had been shut down and then restarted.

    Clinesmith submitted false testimony to a secret court, charged with issuing warrants, on an ex parte basis. The latter is far worse, IMO. Read the Fourth Amendment and you will understand why.

    If I were a FISA judge, I would flat out refuse to issue any warrants until the FBI and DOJ made a full report and assured me they cleaned house. And prosecuted the offenders harshly.

    Bored Lawyer (56c962)

  169. I’m curious, Kevin. Did you move to New Mexico because you didn’t like where California was headed?

    norcal (a5428a)

  170. 172. I agree.

    nk (1d9030)

  171. “Doesn’t there have to be a conviction?”

    Being on trial (for a felony) seems to be sufficient.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws

    Felon – Prior conviction for offense that carries over 1 yr. (Certainexceptions listed in 18 USC § 921(a)(20) Additionally, persons awaiting trial on felony charges are prohibited from receiving firearms. See 18 USC § 922(n));

    Davethulhu (aa65cd)

  172. @144-
    -What happens when a voter casts a mail in ballot and then shows up at the polls on election day and votes again?

    In California, poll workers have electronic poll books to verify eligibility. Only the first vote would count. In addition, voters that receive a mail-in ballot but then try to vote in person cast a provisional ballot which is then verified by hand (signature comparisons) at the registrar-recorders office.

    – When multiple votes are sent in from a house with multiple voters, how do we know who actually cast the vote?

    Ballots are signed by the voters and their signatures are compared with signature on file.

    – What happens to a ballot cast from a person at an address they no longer reside at?

    If a ballot is sent to the wrong address, presumably it would not be counted by legitimate voter.

    – What happens when a registered voter that is currently deceased casts a ballot? And does anyone really know?

    Deceased voters can’t cast ballots. Only if someone forges their signature.

    – What happens when I vote in my current state and also cast a mail in ballot mailed to me by my previous state?

    That’s really the only problem with not having a national voting registry.

    In addition, in California ballots have bar codes and voters can go online to check to see when vote has been counted.

    Rip Murdock (36e2c3)

  173. Thats right up there with chosing dark phoenix as a viable project for poor choices.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  174. — Why is it safe for President Donald John Trump and First Lady Melania Knauss Trump to vote by mail if it is not safe for the rest of us?

    Shut up!

    nk (1d9030)

  175. The election is on November 3. The Electors convene on December 14. That’s your fingers and your toes and your wife’s fingers and toes and your neighbor’s thumb many days. Plenty of time to count the ballots.

    nk (1d9030)

  176. How long does it take to count the cementery vote

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1294739076252393472

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  177. Protests Outside People’s Homes (Residential Picketing) and the First Amendment
    ……. Is this sort of targeted residential picketing protected by the First Amendment?

    The short answer: No, but any restrictions on such picketing have to be imposed through content-neutral statutes or ordinances (or, in some situations, injunctions); and they have to leave people free to demonstrate in the same neighborhood…..
    ……..
    So a city or a state could ban picketing or allow it. But the rules would apply equally to anti-racism protesters, antifa protesters, anti-abortion protesters, alt.right protesters, and any other protesters.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (36e2c3)

  178. I take quanon with a grain of salt much like the 9/11 commission which was creek depth in its analysis.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/omriceren/status/1294797427061465089

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  179. Robert Trump (72) has died.

    Rip Murdock (36e2c3)

  180. Tragic, in so many ways.

    Dave (1bb933)

  181. He’s a genius, Norcal, a rebel…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  182. I’m curious, Kevin. Did you move to New Mexico because you didn’t like where California was headed?

    That was one reason. It was a combination of:

    1) I had (low) 7 figures equity in my house.
    2) I was retiring (and didn’t need to be near employment)
    3) L.A. was just crazy difficult to get around in.
    4) The state seemed to have lost the plot.

    So, why not cash in that equity, burn the mortgage, buy something for cash in a place that wasn’t too terrible, and have money in the bank on top of Social Security?

    I do miss the 70 degree year-round climate, but at least it’s not humid here.

    Paid $1.19 for gas last week.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  183. Stay classy, Dave.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  184. That last link showed how ‘the walls are closing in’ but they never do close,

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  185. Plenty of time to count the ballots.

    You’d think, yet they were running out of time in Florida, 2000.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  186. Tragic, in so many ways.

    Yes. Enough to wreck my faith in karma.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  187. That was mostly due to manbearpig, yes south park eventually caved to the sky dragon

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  188. Rip Murdock (36e2c3) — 8/15/2020 @ 7:05 pm

    Barring a database or hardware problem of the Lois Lerner variety.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  189. Being on trial (for a felony) seems to be sufficient.

    Yes, but those “felony” charges were only good as long as that news cycle.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  190. Every bail bond order prohibits the possession of firearms.

    nk (1d9030)

  191. @193 I actually saw a Nevada license plate with an approximation of manbearpig on it! Something like MNBRPIG.

    norcal (a5428a)

  192. However, the best Nevada plate belonged to my accountant. He had “BYU” on a traditional Nevada plate–white lettering on a blue background. Those are the school colors of BYU! Yes, he was a BYU alumnus, as am I. He totally beat me in all things Mormon. He met his wife at BYU one day. The next day they were engaged. That was in the 70s. They are still together and have ten children. I miss that guy. He moved back to Utah last year. He was quite a paradox. Perfect teeth and 400 pounds.

    norcal (a5428a)

  193. Yes but the point is its now a literal demon that feeds on wishes, they have their head in a hole, much more than the mohammed episode.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  194. Apropos of nothing there was an law and order video where they defamed a thinly diaguised breitbart and took the weiner manques hacked comment as real.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  195. I never saw the Mohammed episode. Was it funny?

    norcal (a5428a)

  196. It was silly, the dolphins came up wirh mohammed, but you know thats one atep too far.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  197. Is that episode even obtainable now?

    norcal (a5428a)

  198. Yes but the point is its now a literal demon that feeds on wishes, they have their head in a hole, much more than the mohammed episode.

    The specter crazy, knowing efference in therwise be in reining efference in. The circuit judges a pardon than — an erratic, irascible man errative they might on the end.

    Dave (1bb933)

  199. I see what you did there, Dave.

    norcal (a5428a)

  200. Probably not, well that fellow back in 2010 almost blew times square to bits lesson learned.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  201. Now they tell us this isn’t influenza so we are back to finding out what will work on it besides masks with face shields.

    asset (3c9277)

  202. Robert Trump (1948–2020) was Donald Trump’s younger brother. He was a business executive and real estate developer who managed the Trump Organization’s real estate holdings outside Manhattan. He served on the board of directors for ZeniMax Media. He was president of Trump Management, a company of which a trust fund benefiting Donald J. Trump owns 25% while the balance is owned by Trump family members. He was an investor in SHiRT LLC, one of two owners of Virginia-based CertiPath.

    Robert Trump married Blaine Trump in 1980; they filed for divorce in 2007,which was finalized in 2009.In early 2020, he married Ann Marie Pallan. He died on August 15, 2020, after multiple brain bleeds that began after a recent fall, according to a close friend of the family. He was 71. -source,wikibio

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  203. I do miss the 70 degree year-round climate, but at least it’s not humid here.

    Propaganda.

    It hit 118 at noon near San Diego on Saturday– and forecasts project 10 days of this hell. It is humid, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  204. Millie Weaver needs lawyers, guns and money.

    mg (8cbc69)

  205. 172. If I were a FISA judge, I would flat out refuse to issue any warrants until the FBI and DOJ made a full report and assured me they cleaned house. And prosecuted the offenders harshly.

    Bored Lawyer

    They have. The IG issued its report in March. The DOJ report was released last week:

    The Justice Department’s National Security Division released a review of 29 applications for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants. The 29 applications had been previously examined by the Justice Department’s Office of Inspector General (OIG), which shared its findings in a March report. The OIG report had found factual inaccuracies throughout the applications and noted that four of the 29 were missing files used to ensure the factual accuracy of the applications.

    The Justice Department’s review of the same 29 applications identified only one material misstatement and one material omission. In the Justice Department’s assessment, neither error merits invalidation of the warrant authorizations granted by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

    You can read the DOJ report at the link. According to the Trump-Barr DOJ report, all but two of the mistakes were non-material (such as typos and date errors). The only two material mistakes “did not invalidate the authorizations granted by the [FISA] court.”

    DRJ (aede82)

  206. As the DOJ report states, the IG report was not able to review other FBI files to determine whether there was additional support for the FISA filings. The DOJ did a further review and found there was a factual basis for all but one misstatement and one omission in the FISA filings, but they “did not invalidate the authorizations.”

    DRJ (aede82)

  207. The complete absence of any evidence for a conspiracy is conclusive proof of a conspiracy, DRJ.

    Dave (1bb933)

  208. and Stefan halper misused dia accounts, to slander both general Flynn and ms slokhova, who had previously secured a settlement against the powerful sberbank, that’s who the podestas were lobbying for, but that’s the kind of dump brought to steele by the coin dealer and his drinking buddies, as gary zerman, has pointed out it took 20 years, to reveal that Edwin Wilson, the real life Raymond reddington, had been fully authorized by the highest officials in the intelligence community, by then his life was effectively over,

    bolivar de griz (7404b5)

  209. Os and documented, and desire truth, but is about onto this, actors, I mean high-profile war breaks out to the severy public infor the punished. Q has been the public informed out onto been a fun distraction for trust, respect and those when the punished. Q have earned who formed out is and necessary bad that and necessary bad those – keep State who have earned when the public infor that and documented, and desire truth, but to arrespect and necessary phas been this, CEOs about onto that and those

    Dave (1bb933)

  210. multiple brain bleeds that began after a recent fall

    Warfarin is a tricky drug.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  211. The complete absence of any evidence for a conspiracy is conclusive proof of a conspiracy, DRJ.

    The ridiculing of “conspiracy” by reasonable people is further proof.

    #Oswalddidit

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  212. Catherine Herridge
    @CBS_Herridge
    Aug 14
    #Durham Plea deal for former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith opens the door to his cooperation w/Durham probe. His decision to alter the CIA email meant the FISA court was never told about @carterwpage’s work to support CIA on Russia + it allowed the 2017 surveillance to continue…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  213. Interesting new poll by NBC/WSJ.

    The topline is Biden +9, essentially unchanged over the last nine months in this poll.

    The poll asked peoples’ feelings toward various politicians and parties; here’s the positive/negative, sorted from best to worst:

    Barack Obama 54/34 (+20)
    Kamala Harris 39/35 (+4)
    Mike Pence 39/44 (-5)
    Joe Biden 39/45 (-6)
    Democratic Party 36/44 (-8)
    Republican Party 35/46 (-11)
    Donald Trump 40/52 (-12)

    The poll asked who would do better handling various issues; this is ranked in order of best to worst for Trump:

    Economy: +10 Trump
    Crime: +4 Trump
    Mental and Physical Health to be President: +2 Trump
    Strong Leadership Qualities: +4 Biden
    Foreign Policy: +10 Biden
    Immigration: +11 Biden
    Health Care: +16 Biden
    Coronavirus: +16 Biden
    Bringing the Country Together: +23 Biden
    Race Relations: +24 Biden

    And what people said was most important (asked to name one or two):

    Economy: 51%
    Bringing the Country Together: 43%
    Strong Leadership: 34%
    Health Care: 29%
    Coronavirus: 27%
    Foreign Policy: 21%
    Race Relations: 21%
    Crime: 15%
    Immigration: 13%

    The misconception that Trump (who thinks China pays the tariffs he imposes, and that cutting the trade deficit would somehow balance the federal budget) has a clue about the economy is about the only thing keeping him in the race.

    Also, more evidence that the GOP has devolved into a personality cult:

    (Asked of Republican and Lean Republican registered voters)

    Do you consider yourself to be more of a supporter of Donald Trump or more of a supporter of the Republican Party

    Donald Trump: 49
    Republican Party: 37

    These numbers have been pretty stable, although they are down slightly from a high of 54/35 in April.

    Dave (1bb933)

  214. Now clinesmiths lawyer who was part of the public integrity section, ha ha, is denying he made a plea.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  215. The misconception that Trump … has a clue about the economy is about the only thing keeping him in the race.

    Consider the Democrat misconceptions.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  216. Based on his bio, I doubt Clinesmith is cooperating with the IG or DOJ investigations. Typically defendants cooperate to avoid charges. It appears Clinesmith is pleading guilty to the only charges that the DOJ found to charge.

    DRJ (aede82)

  217. Also, more evidence that the GOP has devolved into a personality cult

    Hunh? It looks more like evidence that a personality cult has hijacked the GOP. Only 37% of Trump’s supporters support the party more.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  218. But he could always do a Flynn.

    DRJ (aede82)

  219. @19

    If the FBI lawyer pleads guilty but then files motions, changes counsel, etc., to delay the case until after the election and, if Biden wins, he convinces the Biden DOJ to dismiss the case as unfair because his lie was immaterial … that would be newsworthy.

    DRJ (aede82) — 8/15/2020 @ 10:10 am

    I think this is extremely newsworthy.

    Here, you have a guy intimately involved in all things Russia investigation, who’s been part of the Mueller team until let go when incriminating texts were revealed by the IG…

    Played an important part in “igniting” all this hoopla by literally falsifying an email that said the opposite of what the agency stated about Page.

    Who agreed to plead guilty to Durnham WITHOUT a grand jury indictment (that we know of). That tells me that there’s an agreement between Clinesmith and Durnham to reduce his liability and that Clinesmith is providing Durnham “Big Fish™” information.

    whembly (c30c83)

  220. Consider the Democrat misconceptions.

    In some areas they are as risible as Trump’s.

    But Trump’s ignorance is more profound than just about anyone’s. It’s total. And unyielding.

    Dave (1bb933)

  221. @90

    It aince comey, mccabe strzok seem to be above the law…

    Why didn’t Barr indict any of them? Barr is Trump’s boy.

    Paul Montagu (c280e0) — 8/15/2020 @ 11:46 am

    Because not all abuses of power are criminal acts.

    At least those folks are not at their position of power anymore… so, that has to count for something.

    whembly (c30c83)

  222. Because they are above the law, like stevens prosecutors like fitz who destroyed conrad blacks media empire, like justin fairfax who prosecuted mcdonnell on flawed charges comprende.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  223. Weiner got off with a slap on the wrist, like jesse jackson jr, they have to pretend at justice. After all, as i pointed out the figures downstream from mamafort podesta and weber arent charged and judge jackson bent over treeple style to make sure greg craig wasnt convicted.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  224. The complete absence of any evidence for a conspiracy is conclusive proof of a conspiracy, DRJ.

    Trump Russia collusion in a nutshell.

    beer ‘n pretzels (6f7034)

  225. It looks more like evidence that a personality cult has hijacked the GOP.

    How is that different from what I said?

    The GOP didn’t double in size thanks to an influx of cultists. They are converts, not interlopers.

    Dave (1bb933)

  226. What does the gop stand for, in their elected body they have done little to stand against the locusts. That susan rosenberg has unleashed, they put up practucally no resistance to this flatline that could have been avoided, some like deine and baker have been worse on thos score.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  227. Trump Russia collusion in a nutshell.

    Nah, this is Trump Russia collusion in a nutshell:

    To: Donald Trump Jr.

    Good morning

    Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

    The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

    This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin.

    What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

    I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

    From: Donald Trump Jr.

    Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

    Dave (1bb933)

  228. Go p

    mg (8cbc69)

  229. Slow the testing down. We should be up to at least one million tests per day, and ideally up to four million a day, but we’ve plateaued at the 700,000s. One little bit of good news.

    Other tests are still entering the market. For example, a saliva test developed by Yale, which has been tested on N.B.A. players and staff, won emergency approval on Saturday from the F.D.A.

    I’m not if this is the one Mr. Jester talked about, but it’s a positive step.

    Paul Montagu (c280e0)

  230. Here, you have a guy intimately involved in all things Russia investigation, who’s been part of the Mueller team until let go when incriminating texts were revealed by the IG…

    Played an important part in “igniting” all this hoopla by literally falsifying an email that said the opposite of what the agency stated about Page.

    Who agreed to plead guilty to Durnham WITHOUT a grand jury indictment (that we know of). That tells me that there’s an agreement between Clinesmith and Durnham to reduce his liability and that Clinesmith is providing Durnham “Big Fish™” information.

    whembly

    Clinesmith allegedly falsified an email by telling the FBI agent that Carter Page had not been a CIA source when he had been. He has been charged with something and, if he did it (and I assume he did if he plans to plead guilty), then what have they offered him as an inducement to cooperate? The Page misstatement/omission appears to be the only problem in the DOJ report on FISA. What other crimes is he avoiding by cooperating?

    DRJ (aede82)

  231. You know there are those that say you can test too much. You do know that? Just read the manuals.

    Dave (1bb933)

  232. I agree, Paul. But:

    1. People still have to go get a test. It doesn’t cost anything for most people, unless they want to go to a private clinic that won’t process insurance. Thus, it is already available to most people through hospitals, clinics, drive-in testing, and other optuons.

    2. However, there is a point where it isn’t worth the trouble to get a test, no matter how simple it is. Testing is down in my area but not because of availability. We have many options and most are free. We aren’t testing because we know the symptoms and don’t have them. We have opened up and resumed our lives, albeit with more distancing, and things are better for now.

    3. Things can change and when they do, I am sure testing will go up. Schools starting will probably trigger a new wave in the next weeks.

    4 . The saliva test could potentially be a home test, although there will still be processing delays if used that way. Until there is a home test with immediate results, I don’t see the usefulness.

    DRJ (aede82)

  233. Was any of that info, used, as in the fossier, therein lies the difference, if the russians wanted to throw a spanner in the works would they have done anything difference, also sater the go between was a long time cia and fbi asset, but its like the departed if they hide the cnnections you are dead man walking like william costigan

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  234. What other crimes is he avoiding by cooperating?

    Maybe he is hoping for mercy on that charge or a chance to keep his law license, so it is possible. I understand the hope he will turn on people who oppose Trump. We’ll see.

    DRJ (aede82)

  235. The local bar association would give him an award, the reverse of what they tried to do to john yoo and cully stimson.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  236. For months they have been doing some kind of instant test on anybody granted an audience with the Orange.

    So the technology clearly exists. Those of us outside the royal court just aren’t good enough for it, apparently.

    Dave (1bb933)

  237. Nah, this is Trump Russia collusion in a nutshell:

    The “hands up, don’t shoot” of political conspiracies.

    beer ‘n pretzels (6f7034)

  238. Because not all abuses of power are criminal acts.

    That’s not what BdG was implying, whembly, and it’s unclear to me what Comey, Strzok and McCabe did to abuse power.
    Comey twice made public announcements when he shouldn’t have–which hurt Hillary and benefited Trump–and he leaked an unclassified memo, and he was engaged in a properly predicated counterintelligence investigation.
    Strzok exchanged pillow-talk emails with Ms. Page that were derogatory, and he was bounced off the Mueller when the texts were made known.
    McCabe leaked information to the WSJ that hurt Hillary and benefited Trump, and he was busted for lacking candor when investigators queried him about the leak.

    Paul Montagu (c280e0)

  239. The ‘pillow talk’ which was erotic as an episode of the west wing showed intent, to commit a fraud upon the court the intelligence community to willfully put the thumb down on the scale in a presidential election. One could have issued fisa warrants on the obama campaign on the live long day, but the gop dont roll that way. In fact we tell the likes of stephen hatfill to think of england, probably letting the real culprit get away.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  240. I agree, Paul. But:

    All good points, DRJ, but…. :)
    Things may be going well in your part of TX, but there is still a concern with the state overall when positivity rate is so high. The 7-day moving average is 15.3%, which argues for more testing as it is well above the 5% theshhold that indicates containment. It comes down to what is really the point of it. We still need to know who the infected are by confirming that their status and with whom the infected came into contact, so they can be tested. Together with masking and social distancing, this is all we’ve got until the vaccine.
    There’s also the matter of slow turnaround times. It really shouldn’t take more than a day to get results back. PM Jr. had a dentist appointment on a Monday and was tested the day before, within 24 hours of the session.

    Paul Montagu (c280e0)

  241. The ‘pillow talk’ which was erotic as an episode of the west wing showed intent, to commit a fraud upon the court the intelligence community to willfully put the thumb down on the scale in a presidential election.

    But you don’t have evidence of fraud, BdG, which you kind of need to secure an indictment. You may declare otherwise, but no one is above the law.

    Paul Montagu (c280e0)

  242. You present fraudulent evidence to the fisa court thats rule 13, you fail to correct thats rule 14, but who will bell that cat, consider very few of bulgers enablers that i recall went to prison or were even charged.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  243. 158. Well I guess if the government went after him, that means he must have done something wrong./

    Again, I ask, do you get upset when reporters for the “major news networks” do the same stuff in the name of “investigative reporting?” Somehow I doubt it.

    Gryph (f63000)

  244. but no one is above the law.

    My goodness, that is so precious.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  245. I agree, Paul Montagu, re the slow turnaround times. Out here, the nursing homes in my area have been testing staff, and the turnaround times have been anywhere from one to a ridiculous three weeks. According to information available, that is due to a considerable backlog of tests. Of course, this is a much more heavily populated area than small towns where such a backlog wouldn’t exits, but still… Further, by the time some results have come back, the staff member needs to remain at home in quarantine, and a temporary hire takes their place, which can be problematic as well.

    Dana (292df6)

  246. Were doing standup.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  247. Whos to say whats real

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1295029882766884873

    But the effect is to surrender as many rights for as long as neccesary, if you kill off small business and let the corporate big wigs thrive thats just gravy.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  248. 253. The turnaround times for testing at the White House are about 10-12 minutes. More evidence to me that the testing isn’t about safety.

    Gryph (f63000)

  249. Why would they possibly be doing this to o keefe, heres a clue.

    http://patterico.com/2010/05/29/james-okeefe-gives-his-

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  250. @256-

    Rank has its privileges.

    Rip Murdock (36e2c3)

  251. For a breath of fresh air, this is an inspiring interview with our national treasure, Dolly Parton:

    During the pandemic, Parton has also taken on the role of comforter-in-chief: She donated $1 million to Vanderbilt University Medical Center’s COVID-19 research fund, recorded handwashing videos and bedtime stories for children, released a soothing new song called “When Life Is Good Again” and offered social media pep talks about standing together. Over Skype, she is warm and quick to crack a joke, decked out in full Dolly glam: a flowing blond wig with bangs and tendrils, a custom-made, high-collared black top with gold buttons running along the side. Yet she becomes gravely serious when she talks about her mission to make as many people as she can feel as good as possible. “As the scripture says, ‘To whom much is given, much is required.’ So I look at my life with that every day and think that God expects it of me,” she says. “I expect it of myself, and I think people expect it of me. If I can be an inspiration, then I want to be that. That makes me feel good.”

    Flexibility benefits Parton in other ways. In 2018 she renamed her Dixie Stampede dinner attraction Dolly Parton’s Stampede as she became more aware of how hurtful the term “Dixie” and its associations with the Confederacy could be — perhaps because of a 2017 Slate article that cast a critical eye on its rosy, family-friendly depictions of the Civil War. (At the time, the Dollywood Company said it was also eyeing an international expansion and noted that “Dixie” wouldn’t translate abroad.) “There’s such a thing as innocent ignorance, and so many of us are guilty of that,” she says now. “When they said ‘Dixie’ was an offensive word, I thought, ‘Well, I don’t want to offend anybody. This is a business. We’ll just call it The Stampede.’ As soon as you realize that [something] is a problem, you should fix it. Don’t be a dumbass. That’s where my heart is. I would never dream of hurting anybody on purpose.”

    Parton hasn’t attended any recent marches, but she is unequivocal in her support of protestors and the Black Lives Matter movement. “I understand people having to make themselves known and felt and seen,” she says. “And of course Black lives matter. Do we think our little white asses are the only ones that matter? No!”

    In spite of all her big wigs and gaudy outfits, she embodies an eloquently simple outlook on life, robust with compassion and a clear understanding of how to love one’s neighbor. Sweet, yet savvy.

    Dana (292df6)

  252. But Trump’s ignorance is more profound than just about anyone’s. It’s total. And unyielding.
    Dave (1bb933) — 8/16/2020 @ 7:47 am

    This is an insight that the discerning all have about Trump. But I would change “ignorance” to “obstinacy.” I say this because ignorance makes anyone less culpable.

    I did not vote for Trump because I was not convinced by any of his words. But now, after all his deeds/misdeeds, I will vote for him over Biden. No one is perfect and there are no solutions, only trade-offs.

    felipe (023cc9)

  253. its a neat trick they pulled, you can destroy as many store fronts, decapitate as many statues, force corporations to kiss your (redacted) and nothing but the most vapid pleasantries as our history and our liberties go up in smoke, whatever the lockdown didn’t claim, it’s like the clockwork orange treatment dealt to alex the droog (apparently a Ukrainian word) or the thuggee death chant, which not a few gopers do a good rif themselves, the vaunted collective military establishment, say going after terrorist at home, is too far, after the 19 years we’ve done so abroad,

    bolivar de griz (7404b5)

  254. Yes, out of sleight, out of mind.

    felipe (023cc9)

  255. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8629519/Chicago-business-owner-plans-sue-city-looted-twice-May.html

    Nk,

    this is your city. What say you? Does he have a case? I know if I was on the jury…

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  256. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/pritzker-says-mask-mandate-applies-even-while-outside-walking-around/2321390/

    And more fun in Illinois.

    For those trying to excuse Biden for being “unclear” the governor of this lefty state says that that masks must be worn outdoors at all times, not just in businesses or crowded locations.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  257. Barred From a Confederate Shrine, Protesters Scuffle in Georgia

    ……..Far-right activists and white supremacist militia groups planned to gather at Stone Mountain to symbolically “defend” the monument, and antiracist and far-left counterprotesters planned to confront them.

    But the state park surrounding the monument locked its gates for the day…….

    “Out of an abundance of caution,” municipal leaders said, the general public was asked “to avoid the City of Stone Mountain.” Public bus service was halted, and residents and business owners were “encouraged to refrain from travel and activities within the downtown area.”

    And when some scuffling and pepper spraying broke out around midday between a small knot of white supremacists and more numerous counterprotesters, law enforcement officers in riot gear moved in to break it up. No arrests or serious injuries were reported.
    ……….
    The far-right groups’ planned gathering was meant as a riposte to a rally that a Black militia group held in the state park on July 4. But the last-minute decision to close the park on Saturday switched the focus to the city, where armed and unarmed demonstrators collided to argue over whether monuments to the Confederacy were representations of Southern heritage or of racism and oppression.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (36e2c3)

  258. Amid criticism, USPS says it will stop removing collection boxes for 90 days

    The United States Postal Service announced Sunday it would stop removing postal collection boxes through late November following complaints about how some had been taken away, meaning there will be no change in the boxes’ locations until after Election Day.
    ……..
    White House chief of staff Mark Meadows said earlier Sunday that USPS will not dismantle any mail-sorting machines between now and Election Day.

    “Sorting machines between now and Election Day will not be taken off line,” Meadows told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union.”
    ……….
    Documents obtained by CNN last week indicated 671 machines used to organize letters or other pieces of mail are slated for “reduction” in dozens of cities this year.

    The USPS’s own document called the move a “reduction” of equipment.
    ……..
    Postmaster General Louis DeJoy’s administration has slowed delivery, removed high-speed letter sorters from commission and issued a stark warning to election officials that mail-in ballots will no longer automatically be moved as priority mail. On top of that, the USPS has started reducing post office operating hours across several states, cut overtime for postal workers and removed some of their iconic blue letter collection boxes.
    ………
    “The United States Postal Service announced Sunday it would stop removing postal collection boxes through late November…..”

    It just won’t collect any mail from them.

    Rip Murdock (36e2c3)

  259. New computer

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  260. I would change “ignorance” to “obstinacy.” I say this because ignorance makes anyone less culpable.

    “Obstinacy” would suggest a deliberate choice to learn nothing. Maybe that applies to Trump, but the reason for it goes deeper: He doesn’t understand why he should study anything, because in his own mind he’s smarter than all others to begin with — though many people who have worked closely with him have called him a “moron,” an “idiot,” with a mind stuck at 3rd-grade level, or like a toddler.

    We’ve got a stupid, ignorant president who thinks he’s a genius but doesn’t have the patience or the mental ability to absorb much new information.
    On top of that, he doesn’t make any distinction between what’s good for himself and what’s the right thing to do.

    Those traits together make him incapable of responding effectively and responsibly to unforeseen events and circumstances. But that’s something a president sometimes needs to do.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  261. You present fraudulent evidence to the fisa court thats rule 13, you fail to correct thats rule 14, but who will bell that cat, consider very few of bulgers enablers that i recall went to prison or were even charged.

    The only fraudulent evidence you have, BdG, is Clinesmith’s forged email, and he’s going to pay for that crime. The IG didn’t refer to the 17 “significant errors” as “fraudulent evidence”.

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  262. is biden a moron or a knave, well as nicolson’s costello, said at the opening of ‘the departed’ whats the difference’ if the results are the same, pro soviet pro china, pro iran, and we can add pro qatar, vs bahrain, oman and the uae,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  263. Now 51, Harris cruised to reelection as attorney general in 2014, after eking out a close victory over Los Angeles County district attorney Steve Cooley in 2010. (Before becoming attorney general, she served two terms as district attorney of San Francisco, where she unseated popular incumbent Terence Hallinan.) The outcome of the 2010 contest, which took nearly a month to resolve, was decided by just 74,000 out of 8.8 million votes, or a margin of 0.8 percent—one of the closest statewide elections in California history. Cooley, a moderate Republican, had been the front-runner in most preelection polls, and he even declared victory on election night. But the results proved too close to call, and Harris eventually prevailed when all provisional and mail-in ballots were counted. And so a position formerly held by Republican law-and-order stalwarts such as George Deukmejian and Dan Lungren, as well as a relatively tough-on-crime liberal like Jerry Brown, fell into the hands of an outspoken opponent of capital punishment whose campaign drew almost no law-enforcement support.

    Mail in magic.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  264. We’ve got a stupid, ignorant president who thinks he’s a genius but doesn’t have the patience or the mental ability to absorb much new information.

    On top of that, he doesn’t make any distinction between what’s good for himself and what’s the right thing to do.

    Those traits together make him incapable of responding effectively and responsibly to unforeseen events and circumstances. But that’s something a president sometimes needs to do.

    This thinking allows Trump to not be held accountable, nor to not assume ownership or responsibility for his words and actions because, essentially, he just can’t help himself. I am unwilling to accept this theory. If he had the mental muscle to use in savvy, ruthless and clever ways to amass a fortune, then he gets no quarter from me.

    Dana (292df6)

  265. I say this because ignorance makes anyone less culpable.

    I think that depends.

    If someone is ignorant because they don’t have the means or opportunity to learn, say like someone forced to leave school and work long hours to meet their family’s basic needs, or someone whose life and work situation provides no practical incentive to learn, I agree.

    But Trump obviously had the means and opportunities to broaden his understanding, both before and certainly after becoming president (he can draw on the limitless resources of the government), and the nature of his job is such that knowledge is essential.

    It’s like he took a job as an airline pilot without knowing how to fly AND has subsequently refused to invest any effort in learning, despite having lessons available for the asking. That seems highly culpable to me.

    Dave (1bb933)

  266. felipe @9:51am…

    I salute you, well said!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  267. I would change “ignorance” to “obstinacy.” I say this because ignorance makes anyone less culpable.

    There is a class of dim-witted people who are convinced they are as smart as anyone else. Call the “Fredos.” They pretend to be as clever and decisive, thinking that everyone else is faking it, too. When other people’s choices, decisions, gambles, etc, pay off, they think those other people are just lucky. Because it cannot BE that they are smarter and cleverer like everyone says.

    I have met a few of these folks IRL and they are stubborn and bloody-minded. Getting them to see reason is impossible, and your best bet is to steer clear.

    Trump is a special case of this, as he was “born on third base”, so even his stupid plodding often has results.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  268. This thinking allows Trump to not be held accountable, nor to not assume ownership or responsibility for his words and actions because, essentially, he just can’t help himself.

    This points to a deep problem of moral philosophy. For example, someone in a manic state will do things he would not otherwise do – including unlawful things — because of the way his brain is processing information and weighing options at the time. So is he still responsible? Yes, but in a qualified sense.

    It’s different in the case of a permanently pathological narcissist like Trump. I think one can both hold him morally responsible and acknowledge the deficiencies in his thought processes, because the person we’re holding responsible is not the victim of those disturbed mental processes (as in the case of someone having a manic breakdown). That disturbed thinking is intrinsic to who he is.

    So the point is not to say “Poor Donald, he can’t help himself.” It’s to say “That’s who he is, and he won’t get better.” Not after decades of being rewarded for bad behavior — which his cultists have painted as a virtue.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  269. Want a scary thought? Let’s say that Trump is re-elected and there’s a major crisis.

    Such as…
    * China invades Taiwan.
    * Russia invades the Baltic States.
    * North Korea invades South Korea.
    * India and Pakistan start nuking each other.
    * Iran successfully tests a bomb.

    Ignorant, obstinate and bellicose Donald Trump is in charge.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  270. Trump’s world:

    President Trump on Saturday offered a glowing assessment of the country’s ongoing COVID-19 battle, claiming the numbers are “very impressive” and that “we’ve done it right” despite mounting death tolls in several states… “But wash your hands, good hygiene, all of those things, I think people are really doing it to a level that they’ve never done before,” he said. “When you look at the numbers, the way the numbers are coming out, I mean, it’s very impressive … We’ve done it right. We closed it up.”

    The president’s comments came as deaths in Florida topped 200 for the fourth time in a week, deaths in California surpassed the two-week average, and Texas reported 238 more deaths, approaching a total of 10,000. U.S. cases overall climbed 1.2 percent. Trump nonetheless seemed pretty confident about the Nov. 3 election. “If I win, which I hope to win—how can you not, when you see numbers like this? Both on the virus and on the economy,” he said. “We should win. We should all be— keep this incredible thing going.”

    Dana (292df6)

  271. Mail in magic.

    Cooley claimed victory prematurely. And it was clear the race was too close to call even before any absentee ballots were counted:

    The only bright spot statewide for the California Republican Party that night were early returns showing Cooley with a lead of up to eight points, in which he and many news organizations declared victory. However, the next morning, returns from Los Angeles County, which was believed to be a Cooley stronghold came in strong for Kamala Harris, removing one of Cooley’s key advantages and making the race too close to call. Cooley then canceled a victory press conference scheduled for that day.

    Los Angeles and San Francisco County reported their returns, which favored Harris with less than 38,000 votes (45.9% versus 45.7%) [3] separating both candidates at the end of counting that day.

    Source

    Cooley did not allege any irregularities when he conceded.

    Dave (1bb933)

  272. If it’s not close, they can’t cheat. But you can be sure the left will do everything possible to make sure that they can cheat enough to win. Just look at Murphy in NJ. Corrupt @#$#. Wants to harvest as many ballots as possible, legal or otherwise, to run up the vote. And he’ll do it too. As will California.

    I don’t wish these results on the rest of the nation.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  273. PSA:
    Ronnie O’Sullivan has just won his 6th world snooker championship. His first was in 2001. He’s rough around the edges and has had some mental issues through the years — otherwise he might have more titles to his name — but has made the effort to get in control of himself.
    His father did a prison sentence for killing someone in a bar brawl, and I’ve thought Ronnie might have had a more troubled life without the exquisite discipline of snooker.
    He holds the record for maximum breaks (i.e. clearing the whole table in the optimal order for points) in tournament play, and while it’s conceivable that someone might surpass it, I’m more doubtful that anyone will ever beat his record for fastest maximum. He makes it look so easy. He was a little slower in this exhibition match last year, but it’s still a pleasure to watch. (BTW, there’s no official measure for time on a break.)

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  274. Trump’s world

    Meanwhile, back in reality (from the poll I linked above):

    Which comes closer to your point of view about Donald Trump’s handling of the coronavirus:

    He did not take the threat seriously enough at the beginning and is still not handling it well – 53%
    He did not take the threat seriously enough at the beginning, but is handling it well now – 11%
    He took the threat seriously at the beginning, but is not handling it well now – 5%
    He took the threat seriously at the beginning, and continues to handle it well – 28%

    So he has only succeeded in gaslighting 28% of the voters.

    Dave (1bb933)

  275. I wish that a reporter would have pressed Trump on his claims that the U.S. Covid numbers are “very impressive” and that “we’ve done it right”. Which numbers exactly – the number of dead, or the number currently sick? Done what right? Provided necessary PPE, testing, testing turn around time, etc.? Exactly what?

    The ludicrousness of his statement reminds me of the printed out graphs that he got from McEnnany during the Axios interview in an attempt to dissuade Swan of his correct claims. People provide him what is least likely to upset him, and most likely to cause him to preen. We are not in the best of hands.

    Dana (292df6)

  276. @269, @275, @277, @278;
    You’d think four years of psychoanalyzing Trump would be enough. I guess it keeps the topic off Biden.

    Shielding Slow Joe from questions and live interviews is a sure sign he’s psychologically sound, oh for sure.

    “Very strange. Sleepy Joe never takes questions. Also, his reporters have zero drive. Why can’t my reporters behave like that? Something is going on!”

    Trump seems to have a normal and level headed reaction to something totally off kilter and just plain nuts.

    beer ‘n pretzels (ea76e1)

  277. I wish that a reporter would have pressed Trump on his claims

    Unfortunately, the press have been giving him a pass for more than five years.

    Dave (1bb933)

  278. But the officials told CNN that the “US is not currently open” to the Russian medical advances.

    Well, actually they are probably really American anyway, or British or Australian or French. Russia has been very busy hacking. Now in a case like this there;d be alot of sharing of research, but there is the question of who gets the patent. If they take anythig from Russia, they could claim they provided the basic idea. Thats the reason Hollywood returns unsolicited scripts without reading it.

    We’re talking about daily quick tests

    The FDA just gave some emergency authroization to saliva tests that Yale had something to do with. They have to make some concessions in order to avoid pressure building up against the whole system – the same thing happens with immmigration.

    Sammy Finkelman (2cb3c3)

  279. 286 apparently believes that we should not analyze the sitting President of the Unites States because that just keeps the focus off of Biden. Apparently we are unable to focus or think about more than one dope at a time. Analyzing Trump on this board does not shield Biden in the least. And given that Biden is not the sitting President, it is only natural that he get the lion’s share of attention and analyzation.

    Dana (292df6)

  280. Trump seems to have a normal and level headed reaction …

    LOL. The deficiencies of Biden don’t redeem or normalize the manifold defects of Trump’s mind and personality, which have been very publicly on display for the past four years or more.
    Biden as president is hardly a cheery prospect. But neither is another four years under an ignorant sociopath with no ordinary human empathy, no interest in learning anything, no understanding of the true/false distinction, no awareness that it could be wrong to put his own benefit above everything else.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  281. And he’ll do it too. As will California.

    I don’t wish these results on the rest of the nation.

    Wait a minute… strict conservative Dave insisted that ballot harvesting didn’t turn OC (for example) blue in 2018.

    Yeah… I laughed too…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  282. Unfortunately, the press have been giving him a pass for more than five years.

    The NeverTrump version of QAnon.

    beer ‘n pretzels (581ed0)

  283. “Trump seems to have a normal and level headed reaction to something totally off kilter and just plain nuts.”

    Referring to your opponent with a 3rd grade insult is indeed very normal and level headed.

    Davethulhu (e218a8)

  284. “Wait a minute… strict conservative Dave insisted that ballot harvesting didn’t turn OC (for example) blue in 2018.”

    More people voting for Democrats turned OC blue.

    Davethulhu (e218a8)

  285. Trump seems to have a normal and level headed reaction to something totally off kilter and just plain nuts.

    Clearly the definitions of “normal” and “level headed” are up for grabs. What metric are you using to make this determination because I don’t believe Trump is capable of recognizing what is off kilter and plain nuts. And I know that I am certainly not alone in this. Not by a long shot.

    Dana (292df6)

  286. Castle Rock v. Gonzalez. The police have no duty to protect you.

    nk (1d9030)

  287. “Mr. President you’ve claimed repeatedly that, thanks to your leadership, the US coronavirus vaccine development would be the fastest in history. And yet, Russia has beaten us to the vaccine, apparently by many months. Could you tell us in your own words how it feels to play second-fiddle to Vladimir Putin yet again?”

    Dave (1bb933)

  288. @291 The Trump “tax cut” increased taxes for Orange county residents. OC is mostly fiscal conservatives, not social ones. You raise their taxes after promising to lower them, you lose their votes. Trump, in his fevered need to revenge himself on CA cost the Rs representation in Congress.

    Nic (896fdf)

  289. Referring to your opponent with a 3rd grade insult is indeed very normal and level headed.

    For sure Trump should have someone else write his tweets, like is done for Biden — or like parents would do for their 3rd grader.

    beer ‘n pretzels (fc7939)

  290. Here’s the long story of how Sean Hannity and FoxNews perpetuated the lie that Seth Rich was murdered because of his so-called involvement in the DNC email hacks. FoxNews had to retract the story but Hannity did not follow suit. His lie is still out there, without retraction or apology, and the siblings of Seth Rich have had to deal with one hellish lie after the next.

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  291. mr. president donald trump, to whom “off kilter” is the scottish-german phrase for “undress”, is as normal and level-headed as any of his supporters and more than most

    most of his supporters i mean

    it’s obvious if you do the analysis

    nk (1d9030)

  292. The slowdown in tests is also slowing down therapeutics – the cure for the disease is middle to late stages. The protocols for some clinical trials require that the drug be started within X number of days after a positive test. You can’t do this if you get the results 5-12 days later.

    I said that artificial antibodies could be available by late September or early October. The date is slipping, in part because there are either too few or too many cases in many places. Too few and they haven;t gt patients to enroll. Too many and they can’t get back the results in time – at least if they use national laboratories.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/health/covid-19-antibody-treatments.html

    Clinical Trials of Coronavirus Drugs Are Taking Longer Than Expected

    Antibody trials sponsored by Regeneron and Eli Lilly are off to a slow start because of a dearth of tests, overwhelmed hospitals and reluctant patients.

    ……The drug maker Regeneron, which previously said it could have emergency doses of its antibody cocktail ready by the end of summer, has shifted to talking about how “initial data” could be available by the end of September.

    And Eli Lilly’s chief scientific officer said in June that its antibody treatment might be ready in September, but in an interview this week, he said he now hopes for something before the end of the year. ..

    ,,,,A spokeswoman for Regeneron, Hala Mirza, said that all clinical trials involved an early learning period, and that the company was “seeing positive momentum in recent days” as it has sent testing machines to some research sites and has broadened criteria to allow more patients to participate.

    The news seems to be reporting that the Trump Administration is not really hard on their case – they’ve been distracted into vaccines a little bit more.

    But still maybe a telephone call from Trump to the head of Regeneron did have something to do with Regneron supplying tests kits directly.

    Reference for the telephone call:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/us/politics/coronavirus-vaccine.html

    People briefed on the discussions say the White House has also pushed for progress by the fall on therapeutics — drugs to treat people who fall ill to the disease — including the possibility of an emergency use authorization for one or more of those drugs. Late last month, [July] Mr. Trump called the chief executive of Regeneron Pharmaceuticals to check on the progress of a potential antibody treatment.

    So an October Surprise is yet possible, although the Democrats will minimize its practical value, and as you can see from that August 3, 2020 New York Times article (print edition) they’re complaining about it, (aomebody is). What they;re doing is similar to what Jimmy Carter (he was behind it, make no mistake about it – he even edited Gary Sick’s 1988 book and he had previous connections to Abbie Hoffman – through Amy – and also I think to Barbara Honneger) in the mid to late 1980s. He accused Reagan and Bush in 1980 of doing – trying to delay the release of the hostages (without getting his name attached to the accusation)

    That didn’t happen, but this complaining about political pressure looks like they want to delay therapeutics and/or a vaccine.

    Also Nixon was accused of trying to stop Vietnam peace talks in late 1968.

    This kind of thing is actually happening now. They want to psyche the Trump Administration into slowing things down, or not speeding things up, which is the same thing, so that the news won’t hit before the election. And if it does hit, Kamala Harris will say don’t say anything happens until it gets down to your level and until then it doesn’t mean anything.

    Sammy Finkelman (2cb3c3)

  293. For sure Trump should have someone else write his tweets, like is done for Biden — or like parents would do for their 3rd grader.

    Is that why Slow Joe flunked 3rd grade?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  294. The number of tests submitted to national laboratories has been going down, which is a good sign.

    Tests that take too long to get results are useless.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/15/us/coronavirus-testing-decrease.html

    The number of tests reprted does not include some small laboratories:

    There are also limitations to the data, which is largely drawn from state health departments, some of which have recently struggled with backlogs and other issues. It may not include tests done in labs not certified by the federal government.

    Sammy Finkelman (2cb3c3)

  295. Per Harris’s own words – if you believe her – Joe went from being Biggity Pervert to her Favorite Uncle Joe in less than a year.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  296. He doesn’t understand why he should study anything, because in his own mind he’s smarter than all others to begin with

    Have you entered into his mind, Radegunda? If not, then you don’t know this. You may believe it, but you don’t know it. I prefer not to mind read or be persuaded by mindreaders. Don’t undermine the good arguments you make by invoking mind reading.

    This is not to say that I am immune to the practice, on the contrary, I am an offender. That is why I feel obligated to point this out to others.

    felipe (023cc9)

  297. but it says to protect and to serve on the cruisers

    mg (8cbc69)

  298. nsrciso, why did you change your handle to Bolivar di griz?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  299. Dana (292df6) — 8/16/2020 @ 11:40 am

    I agree with you.

    It’s like he took a job as an airline pilot without knowing how to fly AND has subsequently refused to invest any effort in learning, despite having lessons available for the asking. That seems highly culpable to me.
    Dave (1bb933) — 8/16/2020 @ 11:43 am

    It is, especially culpable are the passengers who gave him the job; those who cleared him for take-off share, also, in the blame. What else have we missed?

    felipe (023cc9)

  300. felipe, he has expressed the attitudes Radegunda attributed to him more than once, and they are consistent with what we can observe from his behavior ourselves, as well as what others who have worked with him directly have described.

    In this case it seems like interpolation rather than extrapolation.

    Dave (1bb933)

  301. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/16/2020 @ 11:54 am

    Thank you, Colonel, I appreciate the kind words.

    felipe (023cc9)

  302. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/16/2020 @ 11:56 am

    I, too, have met members of that class. I find your advice to “steer clear” to be sound and practical, even if it may sometimes be easier said, than done.

    felipe (023cc9)

  303. There’s another treatment undrer investigation. This one is important at the end stage of the disease, and not just against Covid.

    It can change the death rate from maybe 80% to 33% (graft host disease) It modulates the immune system,

    It was first thought of almost 30 years ago. Almost thirty years ago

    With Covid, Mt. Sinai hospital in New York in March treated a dozen severely ill Covid patients with this. 83% (5/6 or 10 out of 12) survived.

    Then, the pharmaceutical company that made it, Mesoblast, got FDA approval for a random trial (only somebody like Dr. Mengele could like random trials in this situation but that;s waht the U.S. government likes) And this trial of 300 patients started in May.

    In another non random trial 11 out of 13 patients survived (reported in Lancet July 10)

    his is called Medicinal signaling cells.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-treatment-that-could-crush-covid-11597360709

    (in 2019: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00490-6

    CORRESPONDENCE 05 FEBRUARY 2019

    Medicinal signalling cells: they work, so use them

    Arnold I. Caplan

    …In 2010, I asked the cell-therapy industry to change the term mesenchymal stem cells to medicinal signalling cells (MSCs). This was because, although the MSCs can be induced to differentiate in culture, they do not do this in vivo.

    They offset heart attack damage.

    The FDA and all those drug approval agencies throughout the world slow medical progress tremendously. And make sure whatever does get approved costs a tremendous amount of money.

    Another reference: https://bgr.com/2020/08/14/coronavirus-cure-stem-cells-msc-mesoblast/

    None of this truly explains this to me.

    Sammy Finkelman (2cb3c3)

  304. nsrciso, why did you change your handle to Bolivar di griz?

    I believe he said upthread somewhere that he got a new computer, and something about a glitch.

    Dana (292df6)

  305. Ignorant, obstinate and bellicose Donald Trump is in charge.
    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/16/2020 @ 12:01 pm

    I may be alone. I may be out of my mind, but I do not consider that to be a bad thing. I would consider it a bad thing if Biden or Harris were in charge.

    felipe (023cc9)

  306. 290. Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/16/2020 @ 12:59 pm

    no interest in learning anything,

    No interest in studying things, or no patience.

    He’s perfectly willing to learn on the fly, so eventually he does learn things if he ad libs enough.

    no understanding of the true/false distinction,

    He’s interested instead in pro and con. If something seems to support him, he will cite it in argument, pr what he can remember from it, and on top of that, tweak it a little!

    Sammy Finkelman (2cb3c3)

  307. Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/16/2020 @ 12:36 pm

    Yes! His world-record fastest max was an outstanding display of virtuosity. Thanks for the previous time you linked it.

    felipe (023cc9)

  308. only Florida mail-in voting is safe:

    They;re current position appears to be: Absentee voting upon request is OK, but universal absentee voting is not. And yes, it works in Washington State, but it takes five to ten years to set up a system (so they say trhe person in charge there said) and it can’t be done in 11 weeks.

    Meanwhile the Post Office is falling behind. This occurs sporadically. It’s people being absent (must also be permanently or semi-permanently with no replacements) plus a new policy of no overtime.

    Sammy Finkelman (2cb3c3)

  309. Trump tweeted this earlier today:

    “If carefully done, according to the guidelines, there is no reason why you shouldn’t be able to do that (vote at polling place).” Doctor Anthony Fauci

    Is he coming or going on mail-in voting??

    Dana (292df6)

  310. 285. Dana (292df6) — 8/16/2020 @ 12:42 pm

    The ludicrousness of his statement reminds me of the printed out graphs that he got from McEnnany during the Axios interview in an attempt to dissuade Swan of his correct claims.

    That apparently showed the death rate per case.

    And he’d just said we did more tests and so got more positives, and somehow didn’t notice that undermined his whole argument about a lower death rate from Covid in the United States. Neother did the person interviewing him.

    Sammy Finkelman (2cb3c3)

  311. Dave (1bb933) — 8/16/2020 @ 1:56 pm

    I agree with that. See how persuadable I can be when I am not asked to give my assent to mind-reading?

    felipe (023cc9)

  312. Dana (292df6) — 8/16/2020 @ 2:15 pm

    Is he coming or going on mail-in voting??

    He said he’ll agree to give more money to the Post Office if he gets other things in the stalled coronovirus bill.

    Of course the problem with the Post Office is the no extra hiring (unlike the end of year situation) and no overtime policy.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/us/politics/trump-usps-mail-delays.html

    In recent weeks, at the direction of a Trump campaign megadonor who was recently named the postmaster general, the service has stopped paying mail carriers and clerks the overtime necessary to ensure that deliveries can be completed each day. That and other changes have led to reports of letters and packages being delayed by as many as several days.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/15/us/post-office-vote-by-mail.html

    …Overtime was eliminated, prompting backups. Seven mail-sorting machines were removed from a nearby processing center in West Philadelphia, causing further delays. Now, post offices are being told to open later and close during lunch….

    ….Postal workers from small-town post offices to metropolitan distribution centers say they used to operate along a simple motto: Every piece, every day, meaning that they did not leave until all of the day’s mail went out the door. No more, they say.

    Postal workers say drivers are being sent out according to set schedules, whether or not all of the morning’s mail is ready for them, and delivery trucks now have strict cutoff times for when they have to be gone. They say they are already short on staff because of quarantines and the coronavirus outbreak, and limits on working overtime are pushing them further behind.

    “Mail is coming into the building faster than we can get it out,” said Mary DiMarco, who sorts bundles in a Miami postal center. “I’m concerned about ballots being handled. That they’re not going to be processed in time.”

    Sammy Finkelman (2cb3c3)

  313. Have you entered into his mind, Radegunda? If not, then you don’t know this.

    I’m not trying to read his mind. I’m listening to his words, for starters.

    Shortly after the election, he was asked whom he was listening to for advice, and he replied that he was listening to himself.

    He has often declared that he knows more than anyone else about all manner of subjects, that he’s a genius, he knows more than the generals, he’s really smart on scientific questions, etc. That conceit is reinforced by the loyalists who tell us he has “sharp instincts” that are often more right than the views of “experts” in scare quotes.

    I’ve also read many statements from people who have observed him up close, in the White House, who describe his very short attention span, his lack of interest in intelligence briefings, his sense that it’s better to go with his own gut instinct.

    Trump lies about a great many things. But when he tells us what he thinks of himself, he is quite believable.

    Also, there are professional psychiatrists telling us that the publicly available information giving insight into his mental state is far more extensive than can normally be gleaned from a patient in the typical therapy sessions. And I think his niece – also a clinical psychologist — has a pretty good perspective on his mentality.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  314. Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/16/2020 @ 2:28 pm

    Thank you Radegunda, I find this comment much more persuasive because I have seen the same information.

    felipe (023cc9)

  315. More Ronnie O’Sullivan lore: I think he’s the only known ambidextrous snooker player. He sometimes pots left-handed if he can’t get a good angle with his right arm. But years ago another player filed a formal complaint against him when he had switched to his left hand for no particular reason except to show off, or to make the match more interesting for himself — or to taunt his opponent, as the complaint alleged.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  316. The New York Times ran astory on false things being said about Kamala Harris. Besides the natural orn business, it cited three things:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/technology/kamala-harris-disinformation.html

    1) Pizzagate. Her sister was invited by John Podesta, back in 2016, to attend a Hillary pizza party. According to the (probably Russian) decoders of Podesta’s hacked emails, that means she and Kamala were involved in holding children captive for pedophiles.

    2) Jussie Smolett. She knew Jussie Smolett because he was in his phone contacts. That is supposed to mean she was in on the hoax. Further “explained” by the claim that he is her nephew because the mother of Jussie Smolette had the maiden name of Harris. So that makes his mother her sister and Kamala Harris his aunt. Except that she’s not her sister.

    3) Her heritage is not typical African American at all. To this was sdded the claim that she didn’t even present herself as African American as late as when she was sworn in as Senator in 2017. Which would be news to most people in California.

    Sammy Finkelman (2cb3c3)

  317. I appreciate the reply, felipe.
    And really, I can’t be hostile to someone who appreciates the Prokofiev Violin Concerto no. 2. (#1 is pretty good too.)
    I went looking for Vadim Repin’s performance because I remembered his go-for-broke tempo in the 3rd movement. Usually I don’t think that’s the best approach to fast music, since it can be more powerful to give the sense that you’re holding back the horses and you could really let them go if you wanted to. But the way he races through that movement is terrifically exciting.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  318. But years ago another player filed a formal complaint against him when he had switched to his left hand for no particular reason except to show off, or to make the match more interesting for himself — or to taunt his opponent, as the complaint alleged.
    Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/16/2020 @ 2:34 pm

    Lol. I have committed a similar taunt – not that I am any good at all, mind you. It was just such an easy shot “for the win,” that I could not help announcing:

    I: I’ll make this shot [with the stick] behind my back!

    Opponent [loudly objecting]: Oh no you won’t!

    I [thinking better of it]: Fine! I’ll make it behind your back – turn around! [observers laugh as I make the “gimme” with no further fan-fare.]

    felipe (023cc9)

  319. “Good” news: CNN is airing a special tonight about blacks demanding reparations.

    Yes, just what White America needs to see on a hot August night hours before the start of the Virtual Democratic National Convention: angry blacks demanding payback for the sins of the long dead. Some Chicago-style pizza would top the night off just fine.

    .. and ‘The Silent Majority’ smiled.

    “They need a whipping boy.” – Virgil Tibbs [Sidney Poitier] “In The Heat Of The Night” 1967

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  320. The New York Times ran astory on false things being said about Kamala Harris.

    By denouncing these ridiculous stories about Harris, Trump would be making a clear statement directed to his loyal followers that he isn’t going to let his campaign get involved this sort of crap. Of course, he knows he would lose a huge portion of his base, so rather than do that, he’ll juice them for the mileage he can get.

    (pre-emptive strike: I’ve already made clear my disdain for Harris and the Jussie Smollet situation.)

    Dana (292df6)

  321. Citing “evidence of fraud, waste, and abuse,” a congressional subcommittee investigating the federal government’s purchase of $646.7 million worth of Philips ventilators has asked the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Office of Inspector General to launch its own investigation of the deal.

    The House subcommittee launched its review after ProPublica stories in March and April showed how a U.S. subsidiary of Royal Philips N.V. received millions in federal tax dollars years ago to develop a low-cost ventilator for pandemics but didn’t deliver it. Instead, as the coronavirus began spreading around the globe and U.S. hospitals were desperate for more, Philips was selling commercial versions of the government-funded ventilator overseas from its Pennsylvania factory. Then in April, despite having not fulfilled the initial contract, the Dutch company struck a much more lucrative deal to sell the government 43,000 ventilators for four times the price.

    Under this new deal, ventilators that the Obama administration had agreed to buy for $3,280 each suddenly cost $15,000. When the deal was announced in April, neither HHS nor Philips would say how the more expensive ventilators differed from the cheaper ones.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/the-white-house-paid-up-to-500-million-too-much-for-these-ventilators-congressional-investigators-say

    Art of the deal.

    Davethulhu (e218a8)

  322. Her heritage is not typical African American at all.

    Our Captian enjoys desserting on some Chocolate Mousse.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  323. …he’ll juice them for the mileage he can get.

    Yes, per my comment in the other thread, he’s definitely a Lincoln Continental fella, not a Cadillac Man.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  324. @330 Given that we elected Obama twice, I don’t think that implying that Americans are kinda racist so we won’t elect someone who has a multi-ethnic vice-president is a particularly good argument. You’d be better off to go with kinda sexist, since we’ve never elected a woman to either executive branch position.

    @331 I cannot imagine a situation where Trump would denounce these stories rather than retweeting them. He, much less his campaign, is all in for this sort of crap.

    Nic (896fdf)

  325. felipe — do you actually place snooker? I’ve loved it since a British friend back in about 2008 showed me a video of Neil Robertson beating O’Sullivan in a frame, and he said “Don’t feel bad for the other guy. He wins a lot.”
    I like Neil too. He has an interesting story, and he’s been doing well lately. But as many other people have observed, Ronnie has made the game more interesting to watch than anyone else in decades.

    And sociologically, it’s interesting that such a refined game emerged from working-class pubs, while the posh boys played rugby (or maybe Eton Fives).

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  326. I cannot imagine a situation where Trump would denounce these stories rather than retweeting them. He, much less his campaign, is all in for this sort of crap.

    Yes, that’s what I meant when I said he would juice these things as much as possible because that’s what his supporters expect from him. And it’s so telling that if he did denounce them, and even shamed nutters for repeating them as some version of “truth,” he would lose a lot of support. All of which points to the type of people he draws. This is nothing new, just a good reminder.

    Dana (292df6)

  327. Hmmm…. 106 degrees outside and teh pool is 83 degrees… which one… decisions, decisions…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  328. @338. Use the ‘Ouija Beaud.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  329. 316… felipe… I’d always thought Texans were smarter and had more common sense than New Mexicans.

    Thanks for confirming!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  330. I would consider it a bad thing if Biden or Harris were in charge.

    Nancy had an astrologer; Joe has Beau.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  331. do you have a turtle floatation device for safety when pooling, Col?

    mg (8cbc69)

  332. you think was the only one, with the creepy half satanic imagery that the podestas in, the creepy cult that gillebrands father was a part of,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  333. 342… no, mg, just a pool chaise and a margarita!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  334. Three officers shot in Cedar Park just north of Austin (all are stable). It sounds like another ambush to me.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  335. Usually I don’t think that’s the best approach to fast music, since it can be more powerful to give the sense that you’re holding back the horses and you could really let them go if you wanted to. But the way he races through that movement is terrifically exciting.
    Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/16/2020 @ 2:42 pm

    I know exactly what you mean, and I completely agree. Now watch me as I “mind read.” Here is Hilary Hahn unhappy with the tempo set by the director. She gives subtle clues to bring up the tempo until, at
    3:12 and frowning, she clearly signals her wish to bring up the tempo
    3:23 the director grudgingly complies.
    3:40, she again signals for faster tempo!
    3:50 you can see the grin on a violinist’s face because of the struggle over tempo.
    4:04 She editorializes with her eyebrows as if to say “well?”
    4:25 she begins to give the director the “hairy eyeball” to get his attention.
    4:35 He looks at her, maybe he felt “the force?” He is now on-board.
    4:50 somewhere before now, he has agreed to accept her direction as you can hear her musical cues to slow down, speed up, etc. And you may notice some musicians directing their attention to Hilary, I wonder, at the direction of the director?

    5:14 She wields the baton now. They are all watching/listening to Hilary. If she paused, they paused.

    Anyway, She unleashes them [leashed them?]. It was ugly to watch at first, but ends up a success for Hilary.

    YMMV

    felipe (023cc9)

  336. what passes for intelligence with the shower dossier, and leaving out real documentation like the 28 pages, citing some little known fan film, and ignoring the actual ds headquarters feed, this is why intelligence is an oxy oxy moron these days,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  337. Paul 248,

    I agree that testing is important and rapid home tests are part of the answer to Covid. My point is that we as individuals are getting better at deciding if we need testing and how to get it — just as your son did before going to the ddntist.

    My perception is that State/government testing is inferior to testing at private labs, clinics and some hospitals — at least in Texas — because the former uses overwhelmed government labs and the latter has choices. (My preference is the quick and accurate Roche test.)

    Unfortunately, most nursing homes and venues that the States decide to test use the “free” but overwhelmed State/government labs that often rely on the original testing protocol. Those take time and more time is not good for Covid testing.

    As for Texas testing, IMO it is not useful to treat the entire State the same. Some places (chiefly the Valley and Houston) are having outbreaks. Some aren’t having problems. West Texas is 500 miles/6 hours from there. They can deal with their outbreak just as we have and will deal with ours, but it is not a one-size-fits-all issue.

    DRJ (aede82)

  338. He has often declared that he knows more than anyone else about all manner of subjects, that he’s a genius, he knows more than the generals, he’s really smart on scientific questions, etc. That conceit is reinforced by the loyalists who tell us he has “sharp instincts” that are often more right than the views of “experts” in scare quotes.

    I’ve also read many statements from people who have observed him up close, in the White House, who describe his very short attention span, his lack of interest in intelligence briefings, his sense that it’s better to go with his own gut instinct.

    Trump lies about a great many things. But when he tells us what he thinks of himself, he is quite believable.

    Also, there are professional psychiatrists telling us that the publicly available information giving insight into his mental state is far more extensive than can normally be gleaned from a patient in the typical therapy sessions. And I think his niece – also a clinical psychologist — has a pretty good perspective on his mentality.

    Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/16/2020 @ 2:28 pm

    Sounds like you’re quoting Obama. As for your psychotherapy analysis, that’s beyond useless as you well know. But if you want armchair diagnoses, everyone knows Biden is suffering from dementia.

    NJRob (be47c6)

  339. Re narciso / bolivar de gris:

    I believe he said upthread somewhere that he got a new computer, and something about a glitch.

    Dana (292df6) — 8/16/2020 @ 2:04 pm

    No, he said it was a glitch that he used “narciso” instead of his new handle. He started using “bolivar” several days ago without telling anyone.

    DRJ (aede82)

  340. #347:
    Maybe easier to dispense with the conductor and just do it all yourself.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  341. Obama and Trump are both narcissists. The only difference is whether you support one or the other.

    DRJ (aede82)

  342. And really, I can’t be hostile to someone who appreciates the Prokofiev Violin Concerto no. 2. (#1 is pretty good too.)
    I went looking for Vadim Repin’s performance because I remembered his go-for-broke tempo in the 3rd movement. Usually I don’t think that’s the best approach to fast music, since it can be more powerful to give the sense that you’re holding back the horses and you could really let them go if you wanted to. But the way he races through that movement is terrifically exciting.

    Have Repim’s performance pulled up on my Primephonic account. (Their selection is amazing.) Listening to the 3d movement now.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  343. It took me awhile to get there but the Paganini with hula hoops is great.

    DRJ (aede82)


  344. Dan Merica
    @merica
    ·
    Ten of the women Joe Biden interviewed to be his running mate were not selected this week. But the former vice president is keeping their resumes on file.

    Our story on how Biden’s search helped numerous Democratic women: http://cnn.com/2020/08/15/politics/joe-biden-veepstakes-cabinet-roles/index.html…
    __ _

    Nathan Wurtzel is a silly name, but it’s mine
    @nathanwurtzel
    ·
    So is this like a binder full of women?
    __ _

    CALVIN-19
    @Testing55305722
    ·
    It’s “different” when Democrats do it.

    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  345. Obama and Trump are both narcissists. The only difference is whether you support one or the other.

    DRJ (aede82) — 8/16/2020 @ 4:04 pm

    If we are armchair diagnosing, pretty sure most politicians would fit the bill.

    NJRob (be47c6)

  346. He took the threat seriously at the beginning, and continues to handle it well

    My answer: No one has handled it well. Some have been worse than others and Trump’s main failure is his inability to offer a national plan.

    What should have been done, by late March, is a grounding of all air travel and a closure of all state borders*, then let the governors deal with the local situation.

    —-
    *Food and fuel delivery to Hawaii excepted

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  347. And yet, Russia has beaten us to the vaccine, apparently by many months. Could you tell us in your own words how it feels to play second-fiddle to Vladimir Putin yet again?”

    Russia has also invented 5 of the last 7 faster-than-light space drives.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  348. More people voting for Democrats turned OC blue.

    No, more cast votes for Democrats making it to the counting house turned OC blue. When people come around to a household of 5 and only take the ballots of registered Democrats, that is LITERALLY suppressing the vote of non-Democrats.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  349. OC will swing back red in many places this time. Newport Beach is NOT going to vote for 70% marginal tax rates.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  350. Is that why Slow Joe flunked 3rd grade?

    Plagiarism.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  351. I believe he said upthread somewhere that he got a new computer, and something about a glitch.
    Dana (292df6) — 8/16/2020 @ 2:04 pm

    No, he said it was a glitch that he used “narciso” instead of his new handle. He started using “bolivar” several days ago without telling anyone.

    DRJ (aede82) — 8/16/2020 @ 4:02 pm

    He did in fact say upthread somewhere that he got a new computer, and he did say something somewhere about a glitch.

    Dana (292df6)

  352. #354 — that last minute (in Repin speed) is about as exciting as it gets in music.

    So is the beginning of this. And the tympani duel is pretty good too, but better when you can watch it.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  353. I may be alone. I may be out of my mind, but I do not consider that to be a bad thing. I would consider it a bad thing if Biden or Harris were in charge.

    A nuclear Drunkard’s Walk being preferred to reasoned thought by the misguided?

    Allow me again to say that the GOP is out of its fukking mind letting this man run again. The party needs an adult veto.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  354. Is he coming or going on mail-in voting??

    He’s a bureaucrat, not a practicing physician. So he blows with the wind, and the prevailing wind is from Vichy Biden.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  355. Her heritage is not typical African American at all. To this was sdded the claim that she didn’t even present herself as African American as late as when she was sworn in as Senator in 2017. Which would be news to most people in California.

    It’s kind of funny and ironic that she would be criticized for failing to play the race card.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  356. Obama and Trump are both narcissists. The only difference is whether you support one or the other.

    I don’t think that’s the only difference. I believe that Obama has a functioning moral compass. And that is a major difference between the two. And it’s an important distinction, too, because our view of politics and life itself stem from whatever bedrock foundation of morals, ideals, and values we are standing upon. I would say that Trump’s foundation is basically a crumble of earth made up of his immediate urges. A weak foundation is reflected by an erratic individual who consistently serves, first and foremost, himself. I don’t think one can mine down with any depth there at all. I don’t think the same is true of Obama.

    Dana (292df6)

  357. Obama and Trump are both narcissists. The only difference is whether you support one or the other.

    On occasion Obama was reflective and self-critical. Trump is only reflective in mirrors.

    There is some question whether Biden is reflective in mirrors.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  358. Despite his mistaken policy judgments and narcissism, Obama had a healthy degree of intellectual curiosity and an interest in learning about the world.

    Dave (1bb933)

  359. Voters in North Carolina have received absentee ballot request forms in the mail with Trump’s face on them

    Given the crisis facing the United States Postal Service before a presidential election, the last thing John Herter expected to receive in the mail Saturday was an absentee ballot request form with President Donald Trump’s face on it.

    “Is this a joke?” Herter said his wife told him as she opened up the mailer to reveal a photo of Trump grinning underneath the words, “Are you going to let the Democrats silence you? Act now to stand with President Trump.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  360. I believe that Obama has a functioning moral compass. And that is a major difference between the two.

    Yes. Obama also appears to be capable of empathy, while Trump is not, though he tries to fake it sometimes. And Obama apparently had a set of political beliefs that he was committed to and that had to do with a vision of the common good. You might disagree was his views and his tactics — and I certainly did. And no doubt he had a personal ambition to be seen as great. But I don’t think it was all so much about ego as it is for Trump.

    After eight years of being highly critical of Obama, I find it deeply embarrassing that “my” side’s answer to Obama was Donald Trump.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  361. That too, Dave. Most definitely. I don’t see evidence of either a natural curiosity in Trump, or an urge to know and understand the world around him. Rather he attempts to keep his world very small and narrow, like Mar A Lago, thus more easily controlled. I think that speaks in large part to the difficulty in adjustment once he was in the Oval Office. He was used to barking “jump” to employees, and everyone instantly scurried around him asking “how high?”. In the presidency, however, using that method didn’t produce the immediate results he expected. Of course, these days those who refused to say “how high” and do his bidding are gone, whether of their own accord, or because Trump fired them. Now he’s got the “how high?” crowd fully installed, just waiting to be told what to do.

    Dana (292df6)

  362. https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/bagdad-road-cedar-park-officer-involved-shooting/269-a47eed0e-b945-4fd9-9318-87424c2e919a

    The suspect is barricaded inside the house. The three officers who were shot are alive, in the hospital in good condition, so there’s a remote possibility that tear gas grenades will not set the house on fire with the suspect inside.

    nk (1d9030)

  363. #372 – Obama is a heck of a lot smarter than Trump.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  364. Another thing I have considered with regard to Obama: by all accounts he has been a very hands-on, present father. And even while in the White House, his daughters were a priority along with his wife. That speaks highly of him. It also demonstrates that he was being guided by something deeper and finer than just playing lip service to the role of being a dad. Clearly his own lack of a present father factored into how he would raise his children, but he also could have gone the other way entirely, but he chose not to. I don’t think it was even an option for him.

    Dana (292df6)

  365. My answer: No one has handled it well. Some have been worse than others and Trump’s main failure is his inability to offer a national plan.

    Federalism does not engender swift and all-encompassing national action.

    norcal (a5428a)

  366. Some have been worse than others and Trump’s main failure is his inability to offer a national plan.

    Actually, “Trump,” meaning his task force, offered an excellent, science-based re-opening plan in April. If it had been promoted from the top, and followed, the country and the economy would be in vastly better shape right now.

    Unfortunately, intent on immediate gratification and incapable of grasping even the most basic facts, Trump went on the offensive against his own plan the day after it was announced; his supporters followed his lead because “own the libs,” and the rest is (tragic) history.

    Dave (1bb933)

  367. 353. Narcissists?!

    Hair-plugger Joe.

    =mike-drop=

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  368. 373… so… this is the Flight 370 election.

    Okay then…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  369. Thats what happens when you drink too much cinnamon schnapps coronello, obama takes his guide from a book dedicated to the first rebel luciferm

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  370. radegunda take your side and shove it

    mg (8cbc69)

  371. 372.Despite his mistaken policy judgments and narcissism, Obama had a healthy degree of intellectual curiosity and an interest in learning about the world.

    Despite his mistaken policy judgments and narcissism, JoeyBee had a healthy degree of intellectual curiosity and an interest in learning about the after world:

    Rain Beau?

    Rainbow!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  372. #355 — Glad you liked the Paganini with hula hoops. Hillary Hahn is clearly a woman of many talents.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  373. radegunda take your side and shove it

    Why? Because someone disagrees with your position?

    Dana (292df6)

  374. The key to a good hula hoop* on the violin is steady practice. Five minutes a day, for two or three years, and you will have mastered it.

    *Or is that for staccato?

    nk (1d9030)

  375. #384 — I must have touched a nerve.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  376. Obama read his PDBs almost every morning, Trump might’ve read the backs of Coco Puff boxes almost every morning.
    And in other news, Trump spent a 2nd day of golf at Bedminster, mourning the death of his younger brother Robert. Ex-placekicker Jay Feely was his golf partner yesterday.

    Paul Montagu (c77934)

  377. Paul Montagu,

    I have read that Obama also received an evening briefing at the end of the day that he stayed to read after dinner with the family.

    Dana (292df6)

  378. Brown-haired girl threw me for a loop,
    Playing the fiddle in a hula hoop.
    Swinging them hips while playing Paganini,
    I wished she’d done it in a string bikini.

    nk (1d9030)

  379. Obama is a heck of a lot smarter than Trump.

    Low bar.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  380. Did somebody say Brown eyed girl?

    felipe (023cc9)

  381. I must have touched a nerve.

    The Grievance is strong with that one.

    Dave (1bb933)

  382. #384 — I must have touched a nerve.

    It is widely thought that dogs reflect the personality of their owners. Our old friend mg is the opposite. He has taken on the personality of his Rottweilers.

    nk (1d9030)

  383. They used to have literacy tests for voting. While they were abandoned as tools of repression, it would seem reasonable there should be some tests for high office. Nothing disqualifying, of course. Just informative. I would LOVE to see legislative and executive candidates take the SAT and have their scores reported. Judicial nominees ought to have their LSAT scores released, and maybe take a similar test again to see how they have progressed cognitively.

    I hear all this hullabaloo about tax returns, but the critical thing about high office is NOT how squeaky-clean one is, but whether they are idiots or not.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  384. Btw solo ripped off degriz origin atory.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  385. #392 — oh you naughty boy.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  386. Yes i remember one from college, she bore a slight resemblance then to lea seydoux, then not so much now.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  387. #392 — poetic inspiration comes in mysterious forms.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  388. Well thats the way i remember her anyway, she was also a villainess in ghost protocol, the actress.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  389. I’ve versified a couple or three variations on the theme of swinging hips, here, Radegunda. The one before this was a tribute to Megyn Kelly.

    nk (1d9030)

  390. I don’t think that’s the only difference. I believe that Obama has a functioning moral compass. And that is a major difference between the two. And it’s an important distinction, too, because our view of politics and life itself stem from whatever bedrock foundation of morals, ideals, and values we are standing upon. I would say that Trump’s foundation is basically a crumble of earth made up of his immediate urges. A weak foundation is reflected by an erratic individual who consistently serves, first and foremost, himself. I don’t think one can mine down with any depth there at all. I don’t think the same is true of Obama.

    Dana (292df6) — 8/16/2020 @ 5:02 pm

    I don’t. I think the speed he played the race card, the way he dismissed his political opponents as well as his desire to talk down America overseas showed he had no moral compass, but did have a functional hatred of America as it exists.

    NJRob (be47c6)

  391. And we won’t even get into the way Obama used the full force of government against his political opponents.

    NJRob (be47c6)

  392. Of course its ridiculous obams corrupted the irs the atf the cdc the cia the fbi the justice department thats just for starters.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  393. 373.

    Voters in North Carolina have received absentee ballot request forms in the mail with Trump’s face on them
    This obviously was sent by the campaign. The part with Trump’s picture would not be part of what is mailed in. What would be mailed in is probably U.S. postage paid.

    Four and a half weeks before the June 23 New York primary, I received an absentee ballot request form from Congressman Jerrold Nadler. (This is besides what came later from New York State.)

    “Is this a joke?” Herter said his wife told him as she opened up the mailer to reveal a photo of Trump grinning underneath the words, “Are you going to let the Democrats silence you? Act now to stand with President Trump.”

    No, it’s not a joke. But that message is a good way to try to get only people who want to vote for Trump to send in the application.

    Sammy Finkelman (2cb3c3)

  394. #403 — that Paganini – bikini rhyme was a true gift from the gods of verse.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  395. Lol, nk @ 392. You have a talent…of sorts.

    Dana (292df6)

  396. Don’t encourage him!

    Dave (1bb933)

  397. Ladies, you are making me blush.

    nk (1d9030)

  398. #410 — I started it by posting that link. I shoulda stuck with the snooker videos.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  399. 0bama is all in. Go Joe! >>> “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f**k things up.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  400. 412,

    Trust me, it wouldn’t have mattered. Snooker rhymes with looker!

    Dana (292df6)

  401. 23. steveg (43b7a5) — 8/15/2020 @ 10:18 am

    Clinesmith admitted he changed the email that led to misleading the FISA court and I think it is worth the money to find out why because we have to trust the FBI not to be altering our emails so they can spy on us

    DRJ (aede82) — 8/16/2020 @ 8:15 am

    The Page misstatement/omission appears to be the only problem in the DOJ report on FISA. What other crimes is he avoiding by cooperating?

    This probably wasn;t the only situation where he distorted the truth.

    Clinesmoth says he didn’t lie to other people in the FBI (meaning that other people knew he had changed the email. I think. I don;t know what the following means or is supposed to mean:)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/us/politics/kevin-clinesmith-durham-investigation.html

    As part of their efforts to dissuade prosecutors from charging Mr. Clinesmith, his lawyers argued that his motives were benign, and other evidence indicated that he had not tried to hide the C.I.A. email from his colleagues,

    “Kevin deeply regrets having altered the email,” Mr. Clinesmith’s lawyer, Justin Shur, said in a statement. “It was never his intent to mislead the court or his colleagues as he believed the information he relayed was accurate. But Kevin understands what he did was wrong and accepts responsibility. ”

    Is he saying he thought the CIA made an error and left out the word NOT?

    Sammy Finkelman (2cb3c3)

  402. 414 – oh no it doesn’t. Not if you pronounce it correctly. It does NOT rhyme with “hooker” either!

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  403. According to the Cambridge Dictionary, the American pronunciation rhymes with looker… and hooker. However, the English pronunciation does not.

    Dana (292df6)

  404. No, a writer named Peter Cheyney started it around 70 years ago when he wrote these lyrics as a preface to an adventure novel, not knowing that someday I would read them and they would stick in my memory:

    Nut-brown baby, you got rovin’ eyes.
    You don’ say nothin’ but yo’ sure is wise.
    You don’ say nothin’ with dem honey lips
    But yo’ sure say plenty when you swing dem hips.
    Ah feel de knife in ma breeches when yo’ swing dem hips
    At dem high-yaller bastards off de sailin’ ships.

    You could say he’s my muse.

    nk (1d9030)

  405. I hope that you don’t now feel that I snookered you into giving me those compliments that more rightfully belong to the late Mr. Cheyney.

    nk (1d9030)

  406. 417– okay, but how many Americans pronounce it at all? To me it just sounds wrong unless the vowel sound is like “blooper.”

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  407. Link at 343:

    I noted here that most Americans have an absurdly inflated idea of the damage that has been done by the Wuhan virus, with the median American apparently believing the virus has killed 9 percent of our population–around 30 million people.

    Obviously, nobody believes that. They are just unfamiliar with numbers.

    It also should not be surprising that mask counties have more deaths. That’s why they are mask counties.

    Sammy Finkelman (2cb3c3)

  408. Sigh.

    nk (1d9030)

  409. Which requires more balls, anyway? To play snooker or to play classical violin while spinning a hula hoop?

    nk (1d9030)

  410. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8632841/Oklahoma-boy-9-whos-care-six-years-receives-5-000-adoption-inquiries-12-hours.html

    While we fight and argue amongst ourselves, it’s important to remember what really matters. What are we fighting for? Who are we fighting for?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  411. Im fighting for my family, not some group think rino pos.

    mg (8cbc69)

  412. poor choice of words, mg. The kid NJ’s link was about lacks a family to fight for him. Kids who wind up in these facilities for a long time, or age out of foster care, have poor outcomes in life and it’s one of the most unfair things I’ve ever had to see.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  413. not some group think rino pos

    Oddly how I view Trump’s uncritical posse that is handing the keys to the Democrats through their “Trump or Bust” occupation of the GOP.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  414. Great article Rob. I think market solutions and limited government generally yield the best outcomes. But children without parents to raise them is an area where that breaks down. Honestly I think the resources we put there as a society are horribly insufficient to the situation.

    One of my good friends has adopted 7 kids.
    Were approved to adopt a baby. Found out that the baby was a triplet so obviously you have to adopt all 3. Some time later was asked by the adoption agency if they were interested in the triplets knowing about their 2 older brothers. Had a WTF moment. Prayed and adopted the 2 older boys.

    As the children were getting older he and his wife prayed about what their purpose was and felt the answer was ‘be parents’. So they adopted 2 more kids.

    He’s a better man than I’ll ever be.

    I asked him once why he went for adoption and not being a foster parent. His answer was “Kids need families.”

    Time123 (ae9d89)

  415. That’s a good friend Time.

    I remember being a teen in the city going to church and my youth group had a large reach out program with the boys home that wasn’t far away. It stuck with me how many of my new friends were in and out of the system their whole lives because they didn’t have parents to make families. We became their family. I know it made a difference with a least a couple of them, but reading about real life examples makes me remember what matters.

    God bless. Have a good day.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  416. When you dont even admit that a fraud was perpetrated against the courts to secure an illegal surveillance.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  417. No one here is doing that, narciso.

    DRJ (aede82)

  418. Why did you change your name?

    DRJ (aede82)

  419. Time @ 428,

    Beautiful story about your friends. I’m thankful there are people with big hearts out there answering the call.

    Dana (292df6)

  420. Maybe he’s just discovered the writing of Harry Harrison and wants to pay tribute?

    (James Bolivar Di Griz is the Stainless Steel Rat in the sci-fi stories by Harry Harrison)

    I read them in High School and from what I remember they were pretty good.

    Time123 (b0628d)

  421. When you dont even admit that a fraud was perpetrated against the courts to secure an illegal surveillance.

    Leaving aside Clinesmith’s proven fraud, you don’t know what evidence of fraud there is until Durham finishes his work. For me, I’ll wait and see where the chips fall instead of try to pound the square peg of “fraudulent evidence” into the round hole of “significant errors”.

    Paul Montagu (52bb2d)

  422. That’s what nk said but he should announce any change.

    DRJ (aede82)

  423. My first thought was to cherchez la femme, and if that’s really the case I don’t blame him for not telling, it’s the gentlemanly thing. It’s not Marjorie Taylor Greene, though, is it, Jim?

    nk (1d9030)

  424. One of the things that has not been made overly public about the charging Friday of Kevin Clinesmith is that he was working for the Mueller SC investigation at the time that he changed the email from the (apparently) CIA that Carter Page was an asset of theirs, and reported to them on his Russian contacts, which was submitted to the FISC in order to get the 3rd FISA extension on Page. Putting it all together, an attorney for the Mueller SC investigation has admitted to a felony, materially changing a document, in order to get FISA warrant coverage over Page (and the people in the Trump campaign well into the Trump Administration, along with all of the illegal FISA Title VII political surveillance) for the sole use of the Mueller investigation. Moreover, this is more evidence that the Mueller investigation knew, with a certainty, from at least June of 2017, that there never had been collusion between Trump and his campaign, and the Russian government.

    Why did they need the FISA warrant? As noted above, it provided them quasi legal access to Results of the illegally obtained 702 database searching, ended by Adm Rogers in spring of 2016. But probably more importantly, it allowed for eavesdropping and electronic surveillance of Trump and his top people without the need to go into district court and show probable cause.

    Comey earlier admitted what they (at that time) were doing – running a dual criminal/counterintelligence investigation in order to get evidence of (hoped for) crimes without the need to show probable cause. That is essentially illegal. FISA cannot legally be used to provide evidence of crimes. Instead, crimes discovered coincidentally and inadvertently pursuant to a FISA warrant can be used in criminal prosecutions. That wasn’t what was happening. What the FBI was doing under Comey, immediately followed by the Mueller SC investigation (authorized in the wake of the Comey firing), was bootstrapping a criminal investigation using FISA warrants, since, of course, they never had the probable cause needed for a regular warrant, that could be used to investigate Trump, his campaign, Carter Page, George Papadopoulis, etc.

    What is interesting about that approach is that FBI agents and attorneys know not to lie, even by omission, on Wiretap Act Warrant applications in district courts. But, because FISA warrant applications are secret and classified, they are not so constrained. The Clinesmith admission of guilt is one of the few times that they have been able to show that the FBI people involved in getting the four FISA warrants lied by commission. IG Horowitz found 17 inaccuracies in the 4 FISA warrants. Likely the other 16 were lies by omission. They knew, since at least August, 2016, that Carter Page was not a Russian asset, but rather was a CIA asset. That information was material to the 4 FISA warrants Because that meant that he was one of the good guys. (They also failed to inform the FISC that he had been one of their own assets, working with them to make cases from 2013 up through March of 2016, 7 months before they filed their first FISA application on him).

    —- Bruce Hayden

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  425. https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/blm-mob-beat-white-man-unconscious-after-making-him-crash-truck/

    Look at them wearing “security” shirts as they surround the man, attack him, and then one kicks him in the head.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  426. One of the things that has not been made overly public about the charging Friday of Kevin Clinesmith is that he was working for the Mueller SC investigation at the time that he changed the email from the (apparently) CIA that Carter Page was an asset of theirs, and reported to them on his Russian contacts, which was submitted to the FISC in order to get the 3rd FISA extension on Page.

    we’ve known this about Clinesmith since the IG report on Crossfire Hurricane was released.

    Comey earlier admitted what they (at that time) were doing – running a dual criminal/counterintelligence investigation in order to get evidence of (hoped for) crimes without the need to show probable cause. That is essentially illegal.

    This assertion was not backed up by the IG report which found that CH was properly predicated.

    IG Horowitz found 17 inaccuracies in the 4 FISA warrants. Likely the other 16 were lies by omission.

    I saw that the broader review of FISA applications was released recently. I haven’t had time to read it or seen much coverage. My assumption from the lack of coverage is that it doesn’t present a strong partisan story for either side.

    Anyone here taken a look at it?

    Time123 (ae9d89)

  427. And none of the Clinesmith pearl-clutching makes Trump any less of a corrupt criminal traitor in bed with a foreign power that has 4,000 nuclear warheads aimed at us. (Five hundred of them at South Dakota.)

    Yes, absolutely, positively, a lawyer should not lie to a court. Not never, ever, ever. It still does not make the criminal any more or less guilty.

    nk (1d9030)

  428. I’ve been reading about the passing of Donald Trump’s brother. It’s sad when anyone dies but because it’s the presidents brother it’s news and that news is used to push everyone’s narrative.

    Liz Mair has a good take about one piece of commentary I’ve seen.

    I am rarely— VERY RARELY— defensive of Trump about anything. But people should STFU about how he’s handling his brother’s death. People grieve in different ways and not every family is your perfect little all-American nuclear family without major underlying rifts and issues.

    Time123 (b0628d)

  429. And none of the Clinesmith pearl-clutching

    This MFer put false information on a warrant used to secretly spy on a US citizen. It’s not pearl clutching. I want him to serve the max as a deterrent to 1,000 faceless government officials who might be thinking of doing the same thing. Not saying that everyone upset about this gives a rip about the principles, but it’s not pearl clutching.

    Time123 (b0628d)

  430. #443 — That’s a gracious comment from Liz, and as a general matter I agree. I didn’t cry at the funerals of people close to me because a blessed numbness had settled over me. I was in a bit of a fog, though in one case very focused on planning the event. And I guess I’m not a public griever, though I cried plenty in private. But I’ve wondered if other people thought I was cold-hearted.

    OTOH, it’s one thing to grieve in one’s own way. It’s another to turn the death of a close relative into an opportunity to praise oneself. That’s what Donald Trump did in eulogizing his father, and his comments about his brother have been along the same lines: “He was my biggest fan! He was thrilled that I became president! He was never jealous that I did everything better!”

    Donald J. Trump tells us very openly, and routinely, that he thinks of himself first. Yet there are people who insist that as president he always thinks first and most about the good of America.

    Another thing: Sometimes the first clue to figuring out that a sudden death was not accidental is that the spouse appeared rather too happy at the funeral.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  431. Dustin. 425 was for 389

    mg (8cbc69)

  432. Radegunda, I think you missed the point.

    Time123 (b0628d)

  433. Time123 (ae9d89) — 8/17/2020 @ 8:43 am

    I saw that the broader review of FISA applications was released recently. I haven’t had time to read it or seen much coverage. My assumption from the lack of coverage is that it doesn’t present a strong partisan story for either side.

    Somewhere there was a little summary of what it said in the middle of a news article.

    Horowitz looked at unrelated FISA requests and found problems with all or nearly all of them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_investigation_origins_counter-narrative

    In a subsequent analysis of 25 unrelated FISA warrant requests, Horowitz found a pattern of similar errors that suggested systemic sloppiness by the FBI, rather than an effort to single-out Page.[25]

    I think a conclusion was here that, although Clinesmith left a record of being strongly against Trump’s candidacy, that wasn’t what motivated the spying on Carter Page. The reason would be, I guess, well, you know Carter Page had left the campaign and spying on him was not a way to hurt Donald Trump.

    The best explanation would be that James Comey and the FBI was aware there were TWO major political parties in the United States, and Comey wanted not to be on the wrong side of either of them.

    Not to be on the wrong side of the Democratic Party by ignoring their push to investigate Trump.
    (and also by making no problems for Hillary)

    Not to be on the wrong side of the Republicans by actually investigating Trump.

    The people targeted (Carter Page and George Papadoupolous) were not close to Trump, and were not even any longer part of the campaign at the time they became targets.

    Things changed a little bit when Trump fired Comey. Andrew McCabe started an investigation of Trump for obstructing justice by firing Comey (possibly as a deterrent to getting also fired himself.)

    Possibly true:

    Rod Rosenstein didn’t feel he could close that investigation without being accused of corruption or bias, so he contrived to take the investigation away from McCabe by putting Robert Mueller in charge, whom people in both parties had vouched for and praised in the past.

    first he tried to get Trump to name Robert Mueller FBI Director. When that failed, he appointed him special counsel.

    I’m not 100% sure of these facts.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  434. #447 — I got the point. I’m not expecting DJT to grieve in public. And if he wasn’t close to his brother, that’s not unusual.
    My point was: He certainly wanted to tell the public that his brother thought HE is awesome, and to remind us that he’s much more successful than his brother.

    The point is not whether there were rifts or issues in the Trump family. The point is that DJT is showing us, once again, how profoundly self-centered he is.

    And when the president makes public comments about his relatives, those comments are fair game for comment by the public.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  435. @444

    And none of the Clinesmith pearl-clutching

    This MFer put false information on a warrant used to secretly spy on a US citizen. It’s not pearl clutching. I want him to serve the max as a deterrent to 1,000 faceless government officials who might be thinking of doing the same thing. Not saying that everyone upset about this gives a rip about the principles, but it’s not pearl clutching.

    Time123 (b0628d) — 8/17/2020 @ 9:09 am

    –inserts the “Welcome to the Party Pal” gif from Die Hard–

    This is why Andrew Weissman has been chirping and spinning lately. That MFer and others had to have known and should face the same scrutiny.

    I suspect Clinesmith was warned by connected folks that Durham was close to soliciting an indictment so he sought to mitigate his liability by willing to plead guilty without a formalized indictment. What this tells me, is that Clinesmith is willing to “spill the beans” by cooperating with Durham.

    whembly (a500a7)

  436. It’s pearls rolling all over the floor. Generalissimo Franco is still dead even though King Juan Carlos has been deposed and exiled, and Trump is still guilty even though Clinesmith committed a fraud on the court.

    nk (1d9030)

  437. And Strzok and Page rolling in the sheets did not move Trump a single inch in Putin’s bed neither.

    nk (1d9030)

  438. Trump’s been President for almost four years and I don’t see Trump any closer to Putin’s bed than the Obama administration. He’ll I’m not sure Trump is even in the same house.

    whembly (a500a7)

  439. This is why Andrew Weissman has been chirping and spinning lately. That MFer and others had to have known and should face the same scrutiny.

    I suspect Clinesmith was warned by connected folks that Durham was close to soliciting an indictment so he sought to mitigate his liability by willing to plead guilty without a formalized indictment. What this tells me, is that Clinesmith is willing to “spill the beans” by cooperating with Durham.

    whembly (a500a7) — 8/17/2020 @ 9:59 am

    You could be right. Or he could have plead guilty because the documentary evidence makes his conviction near certain and it was his best path forward.

    I suppose we will find out.

    Time123 (b0628d)

  440. Other people were involved – it wasn’t just Clinesmith and this wasn’t the on;y case where soething dishonest happened.

    And he purpose was not to hurt Trump. It was to keep the Democrats off the FBI’s back without angering the Republicans. The FBI was targeting nobodies.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  441. 453… That’s the M00nbat/NeverTrump narrative, and you are harshing it, Whembly.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  442. @456

    453… That’s the M00nbat/NeverTrump narrative, and you are harshing it, Whembly.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/17/2020 @ 10:45 am

    ?? I’m saying he’s not in Putin’s bed.

    whembly (a500a7)

  443. @455

    Other people were involved – it wasn’t just Clinesmith and this wasn’t the on;y case where soething dishonest happened.

    And he purpose was not to hurt Trump. It was to keep the Democrats off the FBI’s back without angering the Republicans. The FBI was targeting nobodies.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13) — 8/17/2020 @ 10:42 am

    Sammy, the targets weren’t “nobodies”. The targets were members of the campaign which allows a broader search to everyone these “nobodies” come in contact with (ie, the 2-hop rule).

    whembly (a500a7)

  444. Good Write up of Clinesmith In techdirt.

    Time123 (ae9d89)

  445. @457… misunderstood you Haiku… yep, I’m definitely harshing it. 😉

    whembly (a500a7)

  446. Heh! I read War and Peace. You Pierres are no more harshing my “it” than Pierre Bezukhov harshed the “it” of all the people who warned him against marrying Hélène Kuragina.

    nk (1d9030)

  447. Hélène Kuragina must be the most stolen female character in all literature, BTW. Tolstoy had her in an incestuous relationship with her brother on top of everything else, and George R. R. Martin had no compunction in attaching even that to Cersei in Game Of Thrones. She’s a good analogue for Trump.

    nk (1d9030)

  448. “A New York Times reporter who won a Pulitzer Prize for his role perpetrating the Russia collusion hoax was tasked with framing the news that a former top FBI lawyer was to plead guilty…”
    “… to deliberately fabricating evidence against a Donald Trump campaign affiliate targeted in the Russia probe. The resulting article is a case study in how to write propaganda. Adam Goldman broke, and cushioned, the news that former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith was to plead guilty to fabricating evidence in a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant application to spy on Trump campaign affiliate Carter Page. His job was to present the news as something other than an indictment of the FBI’s handling of the Russia collusion hoax, to signal to other media that they should move on from the story as quickly as possible, and to hide his own newspaper’s multi-year participation in the Russia collusion hoax…. The 434-page Horowitz report identified major abuses by the FBI that violated Page’s civil liberties…. Here’s how Goldman puts it: ‘Republicans have seized on a narrow aspect of the inquiry — the investigation into Mr. Page — in a long-running quest to undermine it.’… FISA abuse was never a ‘narrow aspect’ of the inquiry and everyone should have ‘seized’ on it because lying to a FISA court and violating an American’s civil liberties are evil.

    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2020/08/a-new-york-times-reporter-who-won.html

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  449. Dustin. 425 was for 389

    mg (8cbc69) — 8/17/2020 @ 9:36 am

    My bad, my friend.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  450. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/court-axes-save-james-ruling-mom-who-wants-gender-transition-for-8-yr-old-regains-decision-rights

    Can any of our lawyers explain to me how this woman can keep going to court till she gets a ruling allowing her to permanently mutilate her son? And how can a court permit it?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  451. Any lawyers willing to take a chance and answer?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  452. Lukashenko: “You talk about dishonest elections and want to hold new elections,” Lukashenko told the crowd. “My response to this — we held the elections and until you kill me, there won’t be any new elections.”
    Belarusian people:Challenge accepted.”

    Paul Montagu (52bb2d)

  453. NSFW WARNING! You’ve been warned:

    The night arrives when Melania has to perform her bi-annual obligation under the pre-nup. There’s a knock on her bedroom door, she opens the door, and Trump is there in his pajamas. This being a family blog, we’ll fast forward. Trump puts his pajamas back on and leaves.

    Melania is drifting to sleep when there’s another knock on the door. She opens the door and there is Trump again in his pajamas. Melania is surprised but not necessarily displeased. Fast forward, Trump puts his pajamas back on and leaves.

    Melania is again drifting to sleep when there is yet a third knock on the door. You guessed it, Trump in his pajamas. Melania is astonished but strangely, or maybe not so strangely, pleased and proud. Fast forward, Trump puts his pajamas back on and leaves.

    Melania has not even had time to fluff to her pillow when there is a fourth knock on the door. Yup, you guessed right again. Melania is now concerned: “Donald, darling”, she says, “I am very flattered and very impressed, but now I worry about your health. Don’t you think that four times in one night may be dangerous for a man your age?”

    And Trump says: “You mean I’ve been here three times already?”

    nk (1d9030)

  454. 458. whembly (a500a7) — 8/17/2020 @ 11:16 am

    Sammy, the targets weren’t “nobodies”.

    They really were nobodies. The FBI did not get a FISa warrant on Manafort, Gates or Flynn. They were nobodies, and that was on purpose.

    The targets were members of the campaign

    No, they weren’t. Or at least Carter Page wasn’t. That’s why he was selected as the target.

    which allows a broader search to everyone these “nobodies” come in contact with (ie, the 2-hop rule).

    The FBI could have gotten a FISA warrant on Paul Manafort if they wanted to. But Comey didn’t want to soy on the campaign or in any way affect the election.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  455. And there was no attempt to hop anywhere.

    The FBI was just keeping the Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee happy.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  456. I don;t think there’s a possibility that any of the speeches at the Democratic convention will compare Joe Biden and his wife Jill to David and Bathsheba, as they could do given what just has been leaked.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  457. I don;t think there’s a possibility that any of the speeches at the Democratic convention will compare Joe Biden and his wife Jill to David and Bathsheba, as they could do given what just has been leaked.

    Prease to exprain, Honorable Sammy-san.

    nk (1d9030)

  458. This should almost be a PSA: When dissing on Biden’s age and appearance, it would be helpful as a frame of reference to visualize what his opponent would look like without the fake spray tan, without the hair coloring and without the physics-defying combover.

    Paul Montagu (52bb2d)

  459. From the dawning of the Age of Aquarius to the moaning of the aged septuagenarians.

    nk (1d9030)

  460. Vol. 5 of the senate report on Russia interference is out. The GOP chairs the committee.

    This seems consistent when there being a pretty strong predicate for the FBI to talk to Flynn. But i haven’t read it all so might be taken out of context.

    Trump transition: Russia “took advantage” of members of the Trump transition team’s “relative inexperience in government, opposition to Obama administration policies, and Trump’s desire to deepen ties with Russia to pursue unofficial channels through which Russia could conduct diplomacy,” the committee determined.

    The transition team “repeatedly took actions that had the potential, and sometimes the effect,” of interfering with the Obama administration’s diplomatic efforts, including former national security adviser Michael Flynn’s conversations with the former Russian ambassador.

    Time123 (52fb0e)

  461. I see that no one wants to defend mutilating young boys. There’s some hope at least. Now if we could just get people to speak out against the process.

    NJRob (eb56c3)


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