Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Here are a few news items to chew on. Feel free to include any of your own items in the comments. Please include links.
First news item
Only “narrowly defeated,” even now?:
Joe Arpaio on Friday was narrowly defeated in his bid to win back the sheriff’s post in metro Phoenix that he held for 24 years before being voted out in 2016 amid voter frustrations over his taxpayer-funded legal bills, his penchant for self-promotion and a defiant streak that led to his now-pardoned criminal conviction.
Arpaio lost the Republican primary for Maricopa County sheriff to his former top aide, Jerry Sheridan. In the Nov. 3 general election, Sheridan will face Democrat Paul Penzone, who unseated Arpaio four years ago.
Second news item
He should know – you reap what you sow :
Jerry Falwell Jr. took an indefinite leave of absence Friday as the leader of Liberty University, one of the nation’s top evangelical Christian colleges, days after apologizing for a social media post that caused an uproar even among fellow conservatives.
The private university in Lynchburg, Virginia, gave no reason for Falwell’s departure in a one-sentence announcement Friday afternoon. But it came after Falwell’s apology earlier this week for a since-deleted photo he posted online showing him with his pants unzipped, stomach exposed and his arm around a young woman in a similar pose.
The statement said the executive committee of Liberty’s board of trustees, acting on behalf of the full board, met Friday and requested Falwell take leave as president and chancellor, “to which he has agreed, effective immediately.”
Third news item
Abolish the police in Seattle? ?It all depends on who you ask:
Some even call for “abolishing the police” altogether and closing down precincts, which is what happened in Seattle.
That has left small-business owners as lonely voices in progressive areas, arguing that police officers are necessary and that cities cannot function without a robust public safety presence. In Minneapolis, Seattle and Portland, Ore., many of those business owners consider themselves progressive, and in interviews they express support for the Black Lives Matter movement. But they also worry that their businesses, already debilitated by the coronavirus pandemic, will struggle to survive if police departments and city governments cannot protect them.
On Capitol Hill, business crashed as the Seattle police refused to respond to calls to the area. Officers did not retake the region until July 1, after four shootings, including two fatal ones.
Fourth news item
NBA is still about profit over human rights, no matter what their nifty jerseys have printed on them:
Amid all the preaching, would someone make a peep about a country that commits more human rights abuses in 10 minutes than the U.S. does in 10 years?
Don’t press your ears against the NBA’s bubble waiting for an answer.
The league officially declared it has no soul in October, when Houston general manager Daryl Morey sent one measly tweet supporting the democracy protests in Hong Kong.
The Chinese Communist Party started pulling NBA games off TV and merchandise off shelves. With its multibillion-dollar relationship threatened, the NBA quickly bowed in subservience and sent Morey to re-education camp.
Since then, the NBA has stayed mum as China ransacked all rights in Hong Kong, unleashed COVID-19 on the world and herded countless more Uighur Muslims onto trains bound for slave labor camps.
When asked to explain why its moral outrage ends at the water’s edge, the NBA says it can’t involve itself in every little human rights abuse on the planet. But the entire Basketball-Industrial Complex is eyeball deep in China.
Fifth news item
A student at Stockton University is facing disciplinary charges for a political Facebook post and making his Zoom background a photo of President Donald Trump during class, causing other students to feel “taunted.” Today, with the help of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, he’s fighting back.
Doctoral student Robert Dailyda used a photo of the president as his Zoom background during a July 1 virtual class, prompting complaints from other students in a private GroupMe chat after class. Dailyda removed himself from the chat in order to, as Stockton acknowledged, “avoid continued conflict.” The administration wrote in an incident report that the photo caused students “to feel offended, disrespected, and taunted.”
On July 10, administrators asked him to explain his political views, claiming that students were offended by his Zoom background, comments in the GroupMe chat, and a subsequent Facebook post defending his expression, which the university claimed students found “offensive, threatening, and concerning.” The university also expressed concern about comments others left on the post.
In his post, Dailyda wrote in part, “I’m ready to fight to the death for our county and against those that want to take it down.” (If that, in Stockton’s estimation, is worthy of investigation, wait until they learn about Patrick Henry.)
Sixth news item
Life of a Klansman: A Family History of White Supremacy is the latest book by Edward Ball, whose award-winning 1998 book Slaves in the Family traces the histories of people enslaved by Ball’s own ancestors. In Klansman, Ball tells the story of a racist great-grandfather who joined the Ku Klux Klan.
The New York Times hailed it as “a haunting tapestry of interwoven stories that inform us not just about our past but about the resentment-bred demons that are all too present in our society today,” and the anti-racism scholar Ibram X. Kendi participated in a virtual discussion about it with Ball. Tulane University was slated to host another such event, featuring Ball and Lydia Pelot-Hobbs, an assistant professor of geography and African American studies.
That event was supposed to take place tonight, but the university opted to postpone it following blinkered outrage from students who insisted that the event was “not only inappropriate but violent towards the experience of Black people in the Tulane community and our country.” Other members of the Tulane community called it “harmful and offensive,” and demanded its cancellation. Still others said the university should apologize and take action against whoever approved the event. (I verified that the people who made these kinds of comments were Tulane students, graduates, and employees. I chose not to name most of them in order to prevent individual harassment, though I did identify two student government officials who affixed their names to an appalling demand for censorship.)
Seventh news item
The New York Times cancels prominent women from both sides of the political aisle, and then botch efforts to clean up the mess:
Either @TimKaine and I had a very vivid shared hallucination four years ago or Maureen had too much pot brownie before writing her column again. https://t.co/J3SSwtkg7x
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) August 8, 2020
Correction: An earlier version of this column incorrectly said it had been 36 years since a man and a woman ran on a Democratic Party ticket. It has been that long since a man chose a woman to run as V.P. on the Democratic ticket. We’ve deleted a tweet that repeated the error.
— New York Times Opinion (@nytopinion) August 8, 2020
No comment from Sarah Palin yet.
Eighth news item
California congresswoman Maxine Waters said Joe Biden will have to choose a Black woman as his running mate to win the election.
In a live interview with ESSENCE on Friday, Waters said Biden “can’t go home without a Black woman being VP.”
Citing “the help that [Biden] has already gotten from the Black community,” Democratic Rep. Waters told ESSENCE “we’re going to have a Black woman VP.”
Note: Gov. Whiter flew to Delaware last weekend to meet with Biden…
Have a great weekend.
–Dana
Good morning.
Dana (292df6) — 8/8/2020 @ 9:46 amAnd there’s the story of the econ professor who was barred from teaching course that critical of Marx’s economic theories. That kind of dissent from the academic herd is unwelcome and verboten.
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/8/2020 @ 10:04 amAm I wrong or did Hillary Clinton accuse Mo Dowd of being high by re-tweeting the corrected tweet?
If it was deleted she could have very easily tweeted a photo of the original gaffe, they’re all over the place.
harkin (0e0056) — 8/8/2020 @ 10:07 am_
so the goal of this panjandrum, is to crush our spirit, people are the contagion not the virus, except when it comes to riots, because they feed like locusts upon the plain, they have picked a nominee who for all intents in purposes looks ready to die, and he will kill what’s left of the institutions, for nothing can stand, not even a statue of the great romantic writer cervantes,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 10:19 amFelonia Von Pantload!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/8/2020 @ 10:25 amit was not a memorable pairing, even for dowd, I wish I could delete them from my memory as readily, but they stick like earwigs,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 10:27 amCouple of surprising things (surprised me!) I’ve experienced during the time of Wuhan Bat Flu are a loss of 27 lbs and becoming a big fan of the Grateful Dead, Jerry Garcia in particular…
https://youtu.be/rBj7igoatWY
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/8/2020 @ 10:29 amlove conquers all, take the picture,
https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/07/alliance-defending-freedom-lawsuit-chelsey-nelson-louisville-kentucky-law-discrimination-religious-freedom-same-sex-wedding/
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 10:43 amCalifornia congresswoman Maxine Waters said Joe Biden will have to choose a Black woman as his running mate to win the election.
I don’t blame Rep. Waters at all for this. While it’s true that Biden never formally promised a black woman as VP and that he has considered women of other races, he and his people dropped so many hints that who can blame the African-American community for having that expectation? And if I am not mistaken, hasn’t he outright promised to appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court first chance he gets? If he’s going to wander down this path then I don’t feel obligated to find and rescue him once he gets lost.
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/8/2020 @ 10:59 amIts just a glitch
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/virginia-absentee-ballot-applications-sent-dead-people-and-wrong
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:00 amI’d be more worried if the dead returned the applications. No zombie voting!
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:24 amAt the risk of being pedantic (yeah, like that’s ever stopped me before), I don’t see what the problem is with the Maureen Dowd column and NYT Opinion tweets. The language I see is factually correct: It’s been 36 years since a man chose to put a woman on the Democratic ticket. This disqualifies Hillary Clinton, who is a woman who chose to put a man on the Democratic ticket, and it disqualifies John McCain, who is a man who chose to put a woman on the Republican ticket.
So based upon the tweets, was there an early online version of Maureen Dowd’s column that actually claimed that a woman had not been on a Presidential ticket since 1984? I don’t hold a super-high opinion of her, but I find it really hard to believe she could have made a mistake like that.
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:27 amRIP Bernard Bailyn (97)
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:28 amWith respect to Joe Arpaio, the guy damn near won the sheriff’s office at age 88! I mean, I know that’s the median voting age in Maricopa County these days, but come on!
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:30 am#12:
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:33 am“An earlier version of this column incorrectly said it had been 36 years since a man and a woman ran on a Democratic Party ticket.”
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Couple of surprising things (surprised me!) I’ve experienced during the time of Wuhan Bat Flu are a loss of 27 lbs. . .
Hey Colonel, I have those 27 pounds if you ever want them back.
Seriously, though, that’s quite the feat. I trust that it has been a healthy weight loss and not owing to illness, right?
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:34 am#7
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:36 amI’m enjoying the must surprisingly magical counterpoint ever written.
“An earlier version of this column incorrectly said it had been 36 years since a man and a woman ran on a Democratic Party ticket.”
Ah, thanks. I overlooked that.
This has to just be Ms. Dowd needling Her Clintonic Majesty, doesn’t it? If not, then Maureen Dowd (who the internet tells me is 68) needs to start doing more crossword puzzles, jigsaw puzzles, and Sudoku, lest she go full-Biden on us.
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:37 amJVW,
First, the NYT tweeted:
They tried to clean that up with an inaccurate quote…of themselves:
Which is what Hillary was pointing out.
They also that:
Enter McCain/Palin.
Dana (292df6) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:40 amClem kadiddlehopper who they picked for his spanish skills? Was mostly unmemorable .
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:42 amIt all speaks to the absurdity of the Democratic party. Out of political necessity, Biden jumped on this to reassure his Black colleagues, as well as the obvious demands of the BLM etc. He’d be crazy not to jump on it. But. Joe Biden is an historical panderer when necessary. If he was so committed, then why entertain Klobuchar (previously), Warren, and Whitmer? I feel like he’s backed himself into a corner, and yet, if it’s more politically shrewd to go with one of the three non-WOC, then he’ll do that.
I think it’s all ridiculous because what if the best woman for the job, and one who will skate into eight more years of the presidency is white? Cut one’s nose off to spite their face is the strategy now?
Dana (292df6) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:46 amAlso, something with more edge to it. I like the spooky-sounding part at 1:05, and the dancing part at 4:12 is really fantastic.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:52 amMy point was, JVW, that as of today, the Joe Arpaio-types are viewed as little more than out-of-time dinosaurs. His vintage is of a day gone by, so it’s surprising that he didn’t lose by even more of a margin. Aside from pockets here and there, Arizona is no longer the reliably red state it once was.
Dana (292df6) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:53 amThat’s quite plausible. Otherwise it’s hard see the point of stressing “It’s been 36 years …!!’
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:57 amAlso, Arpaio lost in the primary in a three-way race, the margin probably would have larger in a two-way race.
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:59 amHis vintage is of a day gone by, so it’s surprising that he didn’t lose by even more of a margin.
Precisely. Even if some ex-supporters think he was treated poorly by the establishment, who in the world thinks it’s a good idea to have an 88-year-old sheriff in a county of 4.5 million people? I know that comment tars me as ageist, but Good Heavens, this is a law-enforcement job we are talking about here.
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/8/2020 @ 12:06 pmSeriously, though, that’s quite the feat. I trust that it has been a healthy weight loss and not owing to illness, right?
Won’t know until the test results come back… 🤞
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/8/2020 @ 12:15 pmDowd doesn’t care for the Clintons, and has never considered Clinton a gal-pal:
Heh.
Dana (292df6) — 8/8/2020 @ 12:16 pm@26-
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/8/2020 @ 12:18 pmThe same applies to the presidency. There should be a maximum age to run for president, a candidate should be no older than 72 on January 20th, which would limit President-elects at that age to one term.
Won’t know until the test results come back… 🤞
Hoping for a positive report, Colonel.
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/8/2020 @ 12:31 pmPrayers for a good outcome, Col. Haiku. Keep us posted, please.
Dana (292df6) — 8/8/2020 @ 12:33 pmSince I have family who live in Maricopa County, I am pleased not only that slimy slimeball lost, but also that the election results reflect a reduction in the overall sliminess of the county’s electorate.
nk (1d9030) — 8/8/2020 @ 12:37 pmJVW @ 9,
In answer to your question, yes, during the debate with Bernie, Biden vowed to put a WOC on the Supreme Court.
Dana (292df6) — 8/8/2020 @ 12:45 pmAs opposed to sheriff dupnik that jackass got people killed through his favoritism.
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 12:57 pmTrump exploring executive actions to curb voting by mail
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……… [A]round the time Trump started musing about delaying the election last week, aides and outside advisers began scrambling to ponder possible executive actions he could take to curb mail-in voting — everything from directing the postal service to not deliver certain ballots to stopping local officials from counting them after Election Day.
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“I have the right to do it,” Trump told reporters Monday. “We haven’t gotten there yet. We’ll see what happens.”
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Paul Steidler, who studies the Postal Service at the right-leaning Lexington Institute, said the president can’t directly order the postmaster general to do anything, noting the Postal Service chief actually reports to a board of governors.
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Trump said Monday the Postal Service isn’t prepared for the onslaught of ballots. “How can the post office be expected to handle?” he asked. But Postmaster General Louis DeJoy told the Postal Service Board of Governors on Friday the agency will do its job. “We will do everything we can to deliver election mail in a timely manner consistent with our operational standards,” he said.
Election experts said a more likely option for Trump would be sending federal officials into states under the guise of ensuring every vote is counted, citing the 15th Amendment or the Voting Rights Act.
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/8/2020 @ 1:02 pm………
“I’d be more worried if the dead returned the applications”
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It’s the proxies that are the problem, not the dead.
harkin (0e0056) — 8/8/2020 @ 1:04 pm_
As far as I know, no state allows proxy voting by voters during primary or general elections. Do you have a source?
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/8/2020 @ 1:15 pmI thought the German nudist chasing the wild pig who had stolen his laptop was the funniest thing I’d read in the past couple days but this is right up there:
Kandist
@kandistmallett
If my rent money is paying for my landlord’s mortgage, shouldn’t I be part owner?
https://twitter.com/kandistmallett/status/1290349321544593408?s=20
This is the sort of mindset that is polluting our youth (she’s a writer for Teen Vogue who recently wrote an article arguing that housing is a right).
At least the comments are gold.
harkin (0e0056) — 8/8/2020 @ 1:17 pm__
“ As far as I know, no state allows proxy voting by voters during primary or general elections. Do you have a source?”
By ‘proxies’ I mean frauds voting with a dead person’s ballot.
My mother passed away five years ago and my father in Sept. Both have received mail-in ballots this year. I have notified authorities yet I still get them.
harkin (0e0056) — 8/8/2020 @ 1:20 pm_
When it came to discussions with Trump about Putin’s efforts to help him win, the president’s response was like this guy’s.
Coats was fired shortly after delivering Trump the news of Putin’s meddling, and Trump was so indignant about it that his sycophants changed and softened the NIE.
It’s been tough for the IC, figuring out how to serve a president who’s only interested in serving himself instead of this country. And sure, he can repeat five words, but he can’t comprehend or focus on a three or four minute national security briefing.
Unfit, folks. Completely unfit. There is also some discussion about Evanin’s statement about Russia, China and Iran.
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/8/2020 @ 1:21 pm‘He should know – you reap what you sow: Jerry Falwell Jr. took an indefinite leave of absence Friday as the leader of Liberty University, one of the nation’s top evangelical Christian colleges, days after apologizing for a social media post that caused an uproar even among fellow conservatives… it came after Falwell’s apology earlier this week for a since-deleted photo he posted online showing him with his pants unzipped, stomach exposed and his arm around a young woman in a similar pose.’
ROFLMAOPIP. Oh-so-Jessica-Hahn.
Glorious.
“Was It All a Lie? A Rant Deferred”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/8/2020 @ 1:37 pm#40 — None of that is particularly surprising to anyone who’s been paying attention, but the new details are quite interesting. I knew about the picture-book briefings, but not the teaching toys.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/8/2020 @ 1:51 pmMaybe that’s another sign of the “cosmopolitan” character of Trump — he likes art! — that the “poorer, less educated” folks view “with hostile incomprehension,” as Dinesh D’Souza helpfully explained. The better sort of people know perfectly well why he mispronounces words and behaves like a loon. It’s all a higher form of worldly wisdom.
When small, my children all went through this same stage. Everything needed to be tailored to their developing attention spans and inability to remain focused for very long. And if possible, a visual (especially handheld) that related to the lesson at hand proved invaluable. But eventually, my children matured out of that stage, and into critically thinking, analytical adults.
Dana (292df6) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:02 pmBut eventually, my children matured out of that stage, and into critically thinking, analytical adults.
I’ll bet they matured enough to win a presidential campaign or two.
These unnamed advisors who run to the press and won’t go on the record strike me as very mature, too.
beer ‘n pretzels (888d61) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:10 pmgarbage from crowdstrike, the nuggets from the coin dealer, that couldn’t be verified, the certain statements from general flynn that weren’t,
meanwhile privat bank collapse in december 2016, billions were lost, in addition to the 1.6 billion that biden had held over poroshenko to fire the atty general, because of burisma, because kolomoisky was not investigated, zelensky was elected in the backlash,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:11 pmTrump signs four executive orders after economic relief talks with Democrats collapsed
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One of the executive orders would aim to provide $400 in weekly unemployment aid for millions of Americans whose $600 in weekly benefits expired last month. But some of this money would be required to be paid by states, many of which are already dealing with major budget shortfalls and have pleaded with Congress for more aid.
Two of the other executive orders would relate to eviction protections and student loan relief.
And the fourth executive order would seek to defer payroll tax payments from August 1 – retroactively – through December for people who earn less than $100,000. He said if he wins reelection he would seek to extend the deferral and somehow “terminate” the tax. The tax funds Social Security and Medicare benefits, and it’s unclear what will happen to those programs without the money.
Rip Murdock (799db1) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:14 pm………..
Can’t wait to hear Trump’s new plan to fund Medicare and Social Security during the debates. I sure he’s going to release right after his health care plan.
the only decent intelligence product I’ve seen was that country study, that general flynn commissioned on libya, it named all the major factions, the major players that would be present the next month,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:14 pm“Can’t wait to hear Trump’s new plan to fund Medicare and Social Security during the debates. I sure he’s going to release right after his health care plan.”
Trump is going to repeal Obamacare, which everyone hates, and implement the Affordable Care Act, which everyone loves.
Davethulhu (8fe8cb) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:18 pmThe tax funds Social Security and Medicare benefits, and it’s unclear what will happen to those programs without the money.
Yes, because only now are we concerned that these programs haven’t been adequately funded since the day they were created.
beer ‘n pretzels (26e26a) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:20 pmThe orders are interesting.
The student loan payments are deferred until the end of the year. The payroll tax payments are deferred to … an undefined point in the future. The eviction moratorium ban doesn’t actually do anything, just instructs HUD to consider whether something should be done and do it if so.
The UI benefit expires when a particular slush fund is empty.
I think three of these four things (all but the payroll tax deferral) are good policy. But they should be coming from Congress, not the President.
But who wants to be the politician who sues to stop financial relief during a pandemic?
Good policies or no, this process of adopting them simply accelerates the slide towards an elective monarchy with an irrelevant legislature.
aphrael (4c4719) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:23 pmAnd I want to be clear here that Trump is *not* the problem in this case. The problem is Congress, and in particular McConnell.
aphrael (4c4719) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:23 pm“Yes, because only now are we concerned that these programs haven’t been adequately funded since the day they were created.”
So… defund them completely? What point are you trying to make?
Davethulhu (8fe8cb) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:24 pmit has to get past your gatekeeper pelosi, who holds the country ransom to every trick in the book, the turtle is quite nearly useless in this score, the previous bill was loaded with pork, and other wild game,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:27 pmThe gullibility of masses in the face of a huckster is not necessarily proof of the huckster’s mature wisdom. And “He won an election!” (barely) is not persuasive proof against any incompetence or corruption displayed in office thereafter.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:34 pmsounds like this place,
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mark-finkelstein/2020/08/08/they-need-help-msnbc-freaks-over-no-limits-trumps-madness
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:37 pmhttps://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1292203532733624321
lol
Davethulhu (8fe8cb) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:45 pmNarciso, you might have a point were it not for this:
* McConnell waited until the last minute to start working on a Senate bill
aphrael (4c4719) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:48 pm* McConnell and the Senate leadership have been unable to put together *any* bill which could pass the Senate. That’s *entirely* on them.
there is dark humor here,
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/08/iran-accidentally-sinks-replica-of-u-s-aircraft-carrier-blocking-key-waterway/
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:48 pmpelosi can and does push any legislative atrocity, with practically no resistance, the turtle has to deal with a host of prima donnas, divas and the like, the ones who mismanaged the crisis worst from coast to coast are the most arrogant, and they have the press to kiss their (redacted) almost all the time,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:52 pmdo we even know if this weapon existed, from the previous accounts of these fusion canape group, probably not, as we discovered serge milian, showed the email to the journal reporter, where he immediately disproved the junk the coin dealer, had laundered, as nearly a century ago, the british secret service had done with the so called zinoviev letter,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:56 pmTo me, a lefty, the far right’s disdain of McConnell is mind boggling. There’s a reason Trump got to appoint so many judges, and it doesn’t have anything to do with Trump himself.
Davethulhu (8fe8cb) — 8/8/2020 @ 2:57 pmSo… defund them completely? What point are you trying to make?
That anyone who flags inadequate funding of these programs only now, today, because Trump, lacks any shred of credibility.
beer ‘n pretzels (2fdfa0) — 8/8/2020 @ 3:03 pm“That anyone who flags inadequate funding of these programs only now, today, because Trump, lacks any shred of credibility.”
I’m not sure who you think is doing that. Certainly not the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/05/25/even-before-coronavirus-social-security-was-staring-shortfall/
Davethulhu (8fe8cb) — 8/8/2020 @ 3:12 pmso what, that’s the bare minimum, how about all these other officials at crosspurposes with trumps’ agenda, how about the perjury that was manifest nearly two years ago, with kavanaugh, nothing of substance has happened here, every burp that a vindman makes gets star treatment, and prima donnas like romney echo it,
so as I see it, there has been a 50 years war, against america the idea, in order to carry it forward, every blemish must be put under an electron microscope, every good thing is buried or minimized, now foolish policies like the wholesale deindustrialization of the midwest and the northeast didn’t help things
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 3:21 pmNowadays it really depends on whether someone appears to be in Trump’s good favor at the moment. That’s been the operative definition of a “real conservative” since 2016.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/8/2020 @ 3:31 pm“how about the perjury that was manifest nearly two years ago, with kavanaugh, nothing of substance has happened here”
Kavanaugh is now a supreme court justice, seems substantial to me
“every burp that a vindman makes gets star treatment, and prima donnas like romney echo it,”
Vindman was bullied into retirement.
Davethulhu (8fe8cb) — 8/8/2020 @ 3:33 pmI’m not sure who you think is doing that. Certainly not the Washington Post:
Paywall. But anyway, I missed the “Even before the Iran hostage crisis, SS was facing a shortfall” WaPo article.
Trump should just return it to the 2% payroll tax, which is where I believe it started from when it was sold to the public despite everyone knowing full well that wasn’t going to work long term.
beer ‘n pretzels (e598e2) — 8/8/2020 @ 3:35 pmThat’s been the operative definition of a “real conservative” since 2016.
We all know real conservatives support Democrats.
beer ‘n pretzels (e598e2) — 8/8/2020 @ 3:38 pmCan’t resist. This is a break, and it’s a beauty.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/8/2020 @ 3:41 pmThis record has stood for 23 years and it’s hard to see anyone surpassing it anytime soon. All that unruly energy channeled into precision and finesse is magical.
“But anyway, I missed the “Even before the Iran hostage crisis, SS was facing a shortfall” WaPo article.”
You’re moving goalposts.
Davethulhu (8fe8cb) — 8/8/2020 @ 3:41 pmthe war with iran, didn’t you get the memo, that was the previous kerfluffle,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 3:48 pmThat pot brownie line might not be too far off the mark. Maureen is a Boomer.
Thud Muffle (1446ac) — 8/8/2020 @ 3:50 pmDuring the primaries I was called a leftist for favoring lifelong conservatives over the longtime Democrat (and libertine) who had recently seen an opportunity to boost his ego by appealing to certain grievances, without having any serious idea of plausible solutions.
Trump himself has alienated a great many people from the GOP and has done serious damage to the conservative cause — exactly as I expected. So I don’t need any lectures on what a real conservative would do.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/8/2020 @ 3:51 pmWhat’s fascinating is that you present this as sarcasm, as though it is really obvious that “real” conservatives should oppose democrats.
But why? If a republican is less accountable, expands government more, spends more, he isn’t as conservative.
Is Trump more conservative than, say Bill Clinton?
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/8/2020 @ 4:00 pm“What’s fascinating is that you present this as sarcasm, as though it is really obvious that “real” conservatives should oppose democrats.
It doesn’t even make any sense, because we were talking about McConnell. I loathe the man, but I think that he’s probably done more to advance Republicans in the last 10 years than anyone else.
Davethulhu (8fe8cb) — 8/8/2020 @ 4:13 pm@75 McConnell has all the charisma of a limp carrot, but I agree with you. He’s very effective.
I’m still wondering how he landed Elaine Chao.
norcal (a5428a) — 8/8/2020 @ 4:37 pmI’m cursed with memory, I remember when the turtle, cut ted cruz at the knees in the 2013 shutdown, as dole had done to gingrich nearly 20 years earlier,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 4:46 pm> That anyone who flags inadequate funding of these programs only now, today, because Trump, lacks any shred of credibility.
We’re funding something at, say 60% of what’s necessary, and someone’s suggesting we fund it at zero percent of what’s necessary, and somehow anyone who was ok with 60% but isn’t ok with 0% lacks credibility?
aphrael (4c4719) — 8/8/2020 @ 4:51 pmsince you’re all scared of your own shadows, we’ll be in this mess for next three years.
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 4:55 pmso more than 25 years, jane mayer and jill abramson should have been eating out of a trash can, instead they rose up the ladder of their respective publications,
gingrich was forced out, and an actual sex offender replaced him as speaker, and he did to the budget what he did to his charges, cisneros and then cuomo, started the subprime bubble at hud,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 5:03 pmtorricelli in order to impress bianca jagger, pushed deutsch to purge the company records, he also kept the eye off the ball, about 90 miles south, susan rice, allowed bin laden to escape to afghanistan, and then there was no followup until the embassy bombings, there was at least one easy target at tarnak farms and one subsequently with the falconry camp, the bureau was chasing the equivalent of the boogaloos with operation medusa, except for john o’neil, no good deed goes unpunished,
To me, a lefty, the far right’s disdain of McConnell is mind boggling.
I don’t get it either. The guy is managing to get the job done with the slimmest of majorities. He must be a first rate negotiator behind the scenes. If he has failed to strike a deal with House Democrats, you can be rest assured that he thinks they are more desperate for a deal than the Senate GOP is. Time will tell.
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/8/2020 @ 5:04 pmWe know what pelosis conditions are, they cant be met, we see how blue cities and governors descend into urban landscapes out of mad max, we see the flaws in the mail vote every time, we saw what vote harvesting did in california.
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 5:14 pmOh never mind
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1292239186750316549
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 5:27 pmIs Trump more conservative than, say Bill Clinton?
If Clinton were running, I’d ponder it. And, Clinton became fiscally conservative because he had a Republican Congress to deal with. Which “conservative” Biden superfans here are supporting Congressional Republicans, as opposed to cancelling them?
If you want to make the case that Biden, with a Democrat Congress, will be more conservative, nominate conservative judges, roll back regulations, etc. please go ahead. I’ll grab the popcorn.
beer ‘n pretzels (4eafe8) — 8/8/2020 @ 5:33 pmJVW, at the moment McConnell is in a similar position to where Boehner and Ryan were a few years ago: a large dissident minority within the majority party means the majority can’t act on its own and needs help from the minority party. But McConnell is less willing than Boehner and Ryan to meet the minority party’s demands, which is producing gridlock.
aphrael (4c4719) — 8/8/2020 @ 5:34 pmLike he says
https://youtu.be/95mL3us0HSQ
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 5:36 pm97,000 children reportedly test positive for coronavirus in two weeks as schools gear up for instruction
Nearly 100,000 children tested positive for the coronavirus in the last two weeks of July, a new report from the American Academy of Pediatrics finds. Just over 97,000 children tested positive for the coronavirus from July 16 to July 30, according to the association.
Out of almost 5 million reported COVID-19 cases in the U.S., CBS News’ Michael George reports that the group found that more than 338,000 were children.
Rip Murdock (799db1) — 8/8/2020 @ 5:56 pm……..
More than 25 children died of the coronavirus in July alone. Pressure to get kids back into the classroom has left superintendents in more than 13,000 different school districts across the country to figure out how to keep children safe amid a myriad of public health advisories, and handle learning differences.
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@27. Positive thoughts and priority prayers sent your way, Colonel. Take it a day at a time.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/8/2020 @ 6:11 pmPlagiarist and back-peddler JoeyBee, a 77-year-old man who has had multiple brain surgeries, was caught on video biking around his Delaware beach retreat without a helmet while joking w/a Fox News Doocer about his VP pick.
More bad judgement on display.
IDIOT.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/8/2020 @ 6:29 pmMcConnell blew up the Garland nomination, he helped pass Trump’s tax cut bill, he confirmed lots of judges, he didn’t let a single witness into the impeachment trial, and Trump signed whatever McConnell was able to deliver to Trump.
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/8/2020 @ 6:40 pmThe anger against McConnell by the Trumpalistas really makes no sense. He’s been a smart and cagey Senate Majority Leader, without all piss and bile that his predecessor (Reid) kept churning out.
You want a medal for a bare minimum, dems push it to the wall when they are in power,
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 6:43 pmGov. Ron DeSantis Acknowledges State’s Unemployment System Was Built With ‘Pointless Roadblocks’ To Pay Out ‘Least Number Of Claims’
Gov. Ron DeSantis is acknowledging for the first time that the state unemployment system was deliberately designed to frustrate people, making it so difficult for them to apply for benefits that they would give up and just not get paid.
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DeSantis: ……. [A] lot of these unemployment systems throughout the country, you know, weren’t very good, but a lot of them were like 40, 50 years old. Ours wasn’t really old. I mean, ours was really five, six years ago. And it should have been done better for that price tag to produce better results.
(CBS4 reporter Jim) DeFede: Do you believe that the system was in part put together the way it was to discourage people from being able to collect unemployment?
DeSantis: I think that was the animating philosophy. I mean having studied how it was internally constructed, I think the goal was for whoever designed, it was, ‘Let’s put as many kind of pointless roadblocks along the way, so people just say, oh, the hell with it, I’m not going to do that.’…….
DeFede: Well, that system was designed and implemented during the Rick Scott administration. Do you think that was Rick Scott’s intention, was to discourage people from applying for benefits?
DeSantis: I’m not sure if it was his, but I think definitely in terms of how it was internally constructed, you know. It was definitely done in a way to lead to the least number of claims being paid out.
Rip Murdock (799db1) — 8/8/2020 @ 6:44 pm………
Penny and Coby get it, the “protesters” don’t. Mazel tov, ladies. You’re real heroes.
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/8/2020 @ 6:51 pmIs that a Mazel Tov cocktail in your knapsack or are you just here to have a good time?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:03 pmIf wheeler and brown werent so derelict, they wouldnt need to do that.
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:03 pmIf the cities were not being targeted by an extortion gang, the details ive spelled out chapter in versus, where the media is almost ‘exclusively on the other side’
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:05 pm89… when the skull has been opened and the brain exposed to air, it’s said that person will never be the same.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:05 pmThe Hill
@thehill
The Memo: Trump team pounces on Biden gaffes
http://hill.cm/RczGvuQ
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RICO aka msm/dem/bureaucracy
@rico
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The use of “pounce” indicates internal polling is horrific for democrats.
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Gigi Kay
harkin (0e0056) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:09 pm@GigiKay84
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Thought we were seizing today.
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Mandating 500 hours of training to be a licensed Shampoo Assistant in NY.
“We’re teh Democrats and we’re here to help!”
https://nypost.com/2020/08/08/ny-dems-push-for-law-mandating-training-for-shampoo-assistants/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:10 pmAll I can say is: Use my Hebrew name.
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:12 pmI wonder: Is Trump paying those crisis actors to dress up as Antifa and infiltrate BLM protests to loot, burn, and vandalize, or are they Bugaloo volunteers doing it for free and whatever they can steal?
nk (1d9030) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:21 pmYour sly wit never fails to amuse, nk.
Dana (292df6) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:29 pmVery funny, now the thousands of wrecked businesses that were just beginning tovrecover from the lockdown thats even more hilarious.
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:38 pmnk, most of the slime in AZ was at one time our neighbors, in my case actually the neighbors of my first-to-the-suburbs uncles and coysins.
urbanleftbehind (1a66e8) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:38 pmI mentioned it before, Dana. My daughter and her mother got back ten days ago from ten days’ vacation in Washington and Oregon. They flew to Seattle and flew out of Portland, driving to and staying at the places in-between. They thought it was a beautiful place with nice people. Not what the Ministry of Truth is feeding us.
nk (1d9030) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:38 pmCarry on
https://nypost.com/2020/08/07/portland-riots-continue-as-mayor-scolds-rioters-for-burning-precinct/
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:45 pmNow in miami 1980 in my neck of the woods you wouldnt have gotten the ‘paradise lost’ impression, that certain period films relish in
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:49 pmSomething completely different
https://mobile.twitter.com/EgyptianPodcast/status/1288406115387023361
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:52 pmTrump falsely claims coronavirus is “disappearing” and Russia isn’t meddling in the 2020 election
President Donald Trump called a surprise news conference on Friday night at his private golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, speaking to reporters before a crowd of cheering club members who infused the event with the tone of a miniature campaign rally.
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In his remarks directly addressing the coronavirus pandemic, Trump echoed an incorrect claim he made Wednesday, saying, “It’s disappearing, it’s going to disappear.”
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……… Deaths from Covid-19 in the US increased for the fifth straight week this week, according to the Covid Tracking Project. And many public health experts don’t expect a vaccine that could curtail the threat posed by the coronavirus to become widely available until mid-2021.
In his remarks Friday, Trump also revived a debunked talking point that cases of the virus were only going up “because we are doing a lot of testing.” A STAT analysis in July showed that in the overwhelming majority of states, the case count rose in recent months “because there was actually more disease.” Moreover, epidemiologists have pointed to increasing hospitalizations and deaths as a sign Covid-19’s spread has accelerated.
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……..[T]he president also addressed the 2020 presidential election, downplaying the threat of foreign interference on his behalf in the upcoming election by blatantly dismissing the findings of his own intelligence agencies while casting mail-in voting as dangerous.
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While the president initially said the intelligence in the report “could be” correct, he immediately pivoted, saying, “The last person Russia wants to see in office is Donald Trump, because nobody’s been tougher on Russia than I have, ever.”
When reminded, “That’s not what the intelligence says,” Trump retorted, “I don’t care what anybody says,” ………
Trump also cast mail-in voting as “the biggest risk we have,” and said he was concerned that foreign meddling could take place through mail-in ballots.
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Notably, the president went on to promise the release of an executive order ensuring insurance companies “cover all preexisting conditions for all customers,” adding that “this has never been done before.”
……[P]rotections against being denied coverage on the basis of preexisting conditions were already signed into law under the Affordable Care Act during the Obama administration, and remain law………
Rip Murdock (799db1) — 8/8/2020 @ 7:57 pm………
Trump falsely claims
If you ever need an example of a tautology.
nk (1d9030) — 8/8/2020 @ 8:07 pmWho here wore a bicycle helmet in their bicycle riding days?
nk (1d9030) — 8/8/2020 @ 8:14 pmA silver lining for fathers of brides:Massachusetts Brides Angry at Governor Charlie Baker for Slashing Guest List During COVID-19
nk (1d9030) — 8/8/2020 @ 8:23 pmRe #101, I always Antifa were white nationalists, PBs and other fellow travs who drew short straws at a previous gathering and were condemned to cosplay hell.
urbanleftbehind (1a66e8) — 8/8/2020 @ 8:24 pmNot funny: https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/prisoners-hang-themselves-in-sheriff-joe-arpaios-jails-at-a-rate-that-dwarfs-other-county-lockups-7845679
nk (1d9030) — 8/8/2020 @ 8:27 pm113. Or people who had to go personally for something at the DMV?
nk (1d9030) — 8/8/2020 @ 8:33 pmHow Kristi Noem, Mt. Rushmore and Trump Fueled Speculation About Pence’s Job
Since the first days after she was elected governor of South Dakota in 2018, Kristi Noem had been working to ensure that President Trump would come to Mount Rushmore for a fireworks-filled July 4 extravaganza.
After all, the president had told her in the Oval Office that he aspired to have his image etched on the monument. And last year, a White House aide reached out to the governor’s office with a question, according to a Republican official familiar with the conversation: What’s the process to add additional presidents to Mount Rushmore?
Rip Murdock (799db1) — 8/8/2020 @ 8:39 pm………
In private, the efforts to charm Mr. Trump were more pointed, according to a person familiar with the episode: Ms. Noem greeted him with a four-foot replica of Mount Rushmore that included a fifth presidential likeness: his.
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Trump desperately needs Reichstag fires, and he will start them himself. The Covid-19 that he let in backfired on him, as did his tough guy act in Lafayette Park and the Portland courthouse, but he can’t give up because he has nothing else. The little brown people hiding under our beds waiting to steal our lawn mowers that got him elected against Hillary is not enough against Biden.
nk (1d9030) — 8/8/2020 @ 8:55 pmI dont think so, weve found vivacious and smart women are too threatening to other women and the soy boys, you can put tulsi as well as the huntress into this mold.
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 9:12 pmYes she was a congresswoman for a spell, but still. Maybe next cycle.
As a latino, cortez just irks me,
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 9:16 pmA lot of bankers money went to funding gillebrand and harris, just declare it a tax loss.
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/8/2020 @ 9:26 pmThey thought it was a beautiful place with nice people. Not what the Ministry of Truth is feeding us.
I think cops are nice people.
beer ‘n pretzels (2d088d) — 8/8/2020 @ 9:55 pm111.Who here wore a bicycle helmet in their bicycle riding days?
Who here is 77 years old (and will be 78 in November BTW), had several brain surgeries and is riding bikes log past hs bike riding days and running for POTUS?
=mike-drop=
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/8/2020 @ 10:50 pmSenile joe better put a black women on the ticket. Black women(mostly older) twice defeated bernie sanders in democratic primary ;but they are not enough in general election. Last time they got rewarded with hellbot putting timmie kaine on ticket instead of john lewis as she never forgave obama defeating her in 2008. Asking the left to hold their nose will only work if acceptable black woman is nominee. Green party which defeated hillary in rust belt not trump has been infiltrated and neutered.
asset (e69d35) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:30 pm@122-
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:31 pmAnd we need to know more about Trump’s health-details, not platitudes. Just by looking at him in profile you can tell his morbidly obese.
his=he’s
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/8/2020 @ 11:32 pm112
mg (8cbc69) — 8/9/2020 @ 3:53 amBaker and the republicans in ma. Joined the Democrats in putting a gas tax on the citizens. It was voted down by the people but they said eff you morons and went ahead with the tax. Ma. Is number 1 in unemployment and number 3 in China flu deaths. This pos needs to go the eff away. For decades I have backed these Republicans. Let them put signs on my property, knocked door to door, made phone calls, etc. I have just put up my own signs. “NO SOLLICITING”
Baker is a criminal. And so is his groping son.
What weve been paying for:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlbertoMiguelF5/status/1292191218055753728
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:34 amOh
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:40 amhttps://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/08/a_solution_for_this_weeks_mystery_announcement.html
In what world would John Lewis have been a palatable VP? Maybe a younger more personable black dude whose district hasn’t been packed with ghetto voters, but such a district is rare for a CBCer to be elected in much less hold in the next redistricting.
urbanleftbehind (70da7c) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:20 amAOC is embarrassing and she hurt her district scuttling Beezy, but no latina has hurt more thriving small business people more than Loretta Sanchez 2.0, Lorena Gonzalez.
urbanleftbehind (70da7c) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:22 amEmotional overdrive, rather than steadfast commitment to First Amendment is de rigueur at too many institutions of higher learning:
The problem is that there is no incentive for administrators to respect the First Amendment. On one side you have the woke mob. On the other side you have one or two students, who appear powerless. Occasionally, there is a civil suit, but then the college or university covers their legal fees and any damages, and usually settles.
The DOJ should bring a few indictments under 18 USC 241, conspiracy to violate civil rights. That ought to deter them for a while.
Bored Lawyer (56c962) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:41 amColby Itkowitz
@ColbyItkowitz
Let’s ponder the most played out question of the last four years, but can you imagine if Obama had broken up a congressional stalemate over funding by simply signing an executive order and saying it was so?
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@varadmehta
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“How would Republicans have reacted if Obama had done something like this?”
Blue-check Zoomer journos who apparently were still in diapers when DACA happened.
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BayAreaFrau
@bayareahausfrau
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Not only with DACA, but Obama changed key provisions of the ACA, right before his reelection campaign, so that employers would not feel the weight of the onerous regulations until he was out of office.
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AmyG
harkin (5af287) — 8/9/2020 @ 7:31 am@AmyTGargan1
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I don’t have to ponder that. I’m old enough to remember all of Obama’s sweeping EO’s as well as remembering arguing w/my Lib friends that EO’s are not good because eventually someone they don’t like will be in power & use them. They didn’t listen & here we are.
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“ The problem is that there is no incentive for administrators to respect the First Amendment.”
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They should take as strong a stance on Freedom Of Speech as they did to end the Title IX kangaroo courts:
“Stanford’s announcement notes that for the first time, the federal government is requiring a single Title IX hearing process for all faculty, students and staff. The process will include live hearings overseen by a “neutral” hearing officer, a person unaffiliated with Stanford who is experienced and trained in adjudicating matters of civil rights, sexual harassment and/or sexual violence, such as a retired judge, the draft policy states.
During the hearing process, both the alleged victim and accused will be allowed to have a support person with them who can directly cross-examine the other party and witnesses. For students, Stanford will provide up to two hours of consultation with an attorney from the hearing panel.
The hearing officer will decide whether the alleged conduct occurred based on a preponderance of the evidence standard, or that it’s more likely than not that the conduct took place.
The federal regulations also require a narrower definition of sexual harassment than Stanford’s. The draft policy defines sexual harassment as: “unwelcome conduct determined by a reasonable person to be so severe, pervasive, and objectively offensive that it denies a person equal educational access” or “an employee of the university conditioning the provision of an aid, benefit, or service of the university on an individual’s participation in unwelcome sexual conduct.”
Reports of sexual misconduct that take place outside of the United States or that did not occur within a university program or activity now “fall outside of Title IX’s jurisdiction.”
The draft policy states that the accused party has a right to not have any discipline imposed before being formally found responsible for alleged conduct and “the right to be presumed not responsible for the alleged Title IX prohibited conduct until a determination regarding responsibility is made at the conclusion of the hearing.”
Under the new regulations, universities can now dismiss complaints if the accused is no longer enrolled at or employed by the institution.
Universities also may no longer resolve complaints through informal agreements in cases involving a student making an allegation about a faculty or employee.“
https://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2020/08/04/stanford-revises-campus-sexual-violence-policy-to-comply-with-trump-administrations-controversial-new-rules
harkin (5af287) — 8/9/2020 @ 7:44 am_
I agree…
h/t Vladeck
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/9/2020 @ 7:46 amLatest Research Points to Children Carrying, Transmitting Coronavirus
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/9/2020 @ 8:36 am………
Several studies and reports published in recent weeks found coronavirus infections among children of all ages at places ranging from schools to camps to homes. Other research suggested that kids, especially older ones, can be a driving force behind transmission. And some researchers found children carry high levels of Covid-19’s genetic material in their upper respiratory tract, which doesn’t mean they are transmitting the virus but that they potentially could.
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“ Are they susceptible to catching the virus? Absolutely. Are they able to transmit the virus? Absolutely,” said Joelle Simpson, interim chief of emergency medicine at Children’s National Hospital in Washington, D.C.
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In the U.S., 45 children under the age of 15 years have died from Covid-19, compared with nearly 25,000 deaths of people between the ages of 45 to 64, according to the latest data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Its data also show far lower rates of hospitalization among children.
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……..[T]he latest research indicates children may be carriers just as much as adults. Even when experiencing only a mild or moderate case, children under the age of five might have anywhere between 10 to 100 times as much of Covid-19’s genetic material, viral RNA, in their upper respiratory tracts as older children and adults, according to a study published last month in the journal JAMA Pediatrics.
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Researchers who examined an outbreak in an Israeli school for older children shortly after it reopened in May said two known coronavirus cases ultimately led to 153 students and 25 staff members—13.2% and 16.6%, respectively—testing positive for the virus. And the virus spread outside the school, to 87 close contacts.
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https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/08/09/trump-wins-thread-explains-why-everything-trump-did-with-covid-relief-orders-is-legal-and-sorry-not-sorry-democrats/
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 8:46 amhe got his recession,
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2020/08/09/spectacular-prick-bill-mahers-smarmy-eulogy-trump-fly-free-whiny
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 9:07 am@124. The ‘Yesbut Rebut’:
Just by looking at him in profile you can tell his morbidly obese.
Yes, in Cinemascope or Cinerama, Republican William Howard Taft, the 27th president of the United States and the tenth Chief Justice of the United States certainly was morbidly obese. Republican Taft is remembered as: “the heaviest president; he was 5 feet 11 inches tall and his weight peaked at 335–340 pounds”- source wikiporkchopsforbreakfast.org No record of multiple brain surgeries on Taft as with Plagarist JoeyBee.
Trump is taller. Doesn’t drink. Or smoke. But then, there’s that diet and those pesky bonespurs. And looking at a solar eclipse without eye protection– but then, he doesn’t read and listens to the TeeVee. And no multiple brain surgeries.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 9:13 amyet another ‘tick tock’ boom, that went pheh,
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-spies-who-hijacked-america
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 9:16 amIs it any wonder God fears him?
Dave (1bb933) — 8/9/2020 @ 9:28 amAnother great interview with Bill Gates. The key takeways for me were…
(1) that “we should largely be able to end this thing by the end of 2021, and for the world at large by the end of 2022,”
(2) he’s pretty harsh on the CDC, but they were also muzzled in the early stages,
(3) he’s more than a little irritated with fabulists like RFK Jr., Roger Stone and Laura Ingraham.
(4) the Remdesivir trials have been “chaotic” and “confused”.
(5) on a way better way to test quickly…
(6) he called quack doctor Immanuel “sperm woman”.
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/9/2020 @ 9:29 amIf there’s a CV19 lockdown in October, don’t fret because The Clash jigsaw puzzles are coming out.
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/9/2020 @ 9:32 amlondon calling, seems apt for my last link, if they were working for the russians, would the cambridge cohort have done anything different,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 9:44 amIs it any wonder God fears him?
God fearing people certainly do.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 9:53 amBasedPoland
@BasedPoland
#BlackLivesMatter protesters enter residential areas in Georgetown, Washington DC, just to wake up the “White, rich people” who are guilty of trying to sleep at night.
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The4Ds
@The4DsinCO
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Just like Portland and Seattle. You couldn’t find a Republican voter in those downtown areas if your life depended on it. So I find it humorous when they get to learn firsthand that elections have consequences.
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Andy Lancaster
@andylancaster
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Way more effective GOTV for Team Trump than knocking on doors when people are awake
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Michael Patrick
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Is it odd I don’t see a single black person in this black lives matter video? The people I do see appear to represent Brats Lives Matter.
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honeybear
@honeybear19871
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I really think if the social distancing restrictions were lifted a lot of this protest BS would die out. Right now it’s the only activity you’re allowed do without any rules to follow.
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Also last night…….
Nope. Go Blue, man
@Harbs4Prez
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Shooting in DC, at a “cookout” at 1am. Had more than a hundred people drinking, smoking weed, and had a DJ…at 1am! 20 people shot, 1 dead. So, are there gonna be protests to defund stupid people illegally carrying guns to cookouts that should never have taken place?
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WaPo: At least 21 people shot, one fatally, at gathering in SE DC
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
harkin (5af287) — 8/9/2020 @ 9:54 am_
That’s their pen, Anacostia….the Salvatrucha were merely supposed to keep them hemmed in, not go forth into Montgonery and Fairvax counties.
urbanleftbehind (70da7c) — 8/9/2020 @ 10:29 amBasedPoland better watch his own backyard, but to be fair, they didnt have any ships nor any Rudyard Kipling ledger:
http://news.yahoo.com/dontcallmemurzyn-black-women-poland-powering-162536784.html
urbanleftbehind (70da7c) — 8/9/2020 @ 10:37 am138… Biden’s brain surgeries are troublesome. Any time the brain is exposed to air is extremely detrimental to the surgical patient. That person is never the same, and in most cases, the decline in acuity is profound.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/9/2020 @ 10:51 amChina says they’d prefer Biden? I would bet they do!
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pelosi-election-threats-from-russia-and-china-not-equivalent-as-kremlin-is-actively-24-7-interfering
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/9/2020 @ 10:58 am@148-
Surgeon who operated on Biden: He’s better now than before brain surgery
Given that the surgery took place over 30 years ago his personality doesn’t seem to have changed much. But I’ll defer to your medical expertise.
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/9/2020 @ 11:18 amL.O.L.
Colonel Haiku (ba4310) — 8/9/2020 @ 11:22 amHe’s unf-f-f-fit for the office.
Colonel Haiku (ba4310) — 8/9/2020 @ 11:23 amDr. Neal Kassell, the renowned neurosurgeon who operated on Biden, said he’s confident that Biden is “totally in the clear,” and joked that he believed the surgery had even “made him better than how he was.”
Better than Joe with an aneurism!
Colonel Haiku (ba4310) — 8/9/2020 @ 11:27 amUS tops 5 million confirmed virus cases, to Europe’s alarm
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Perhaps nowhere outside the U.S. is America’s bungled virus response viewed with more consternation than in Italy, which was ground zero of Europe’s epidemic. Italians were unprepared when the outbreak exploded in February, and the country still has one of the world’s highest official death tolls at over 35,000.
But after a strict nationwide, 10-week lockdown, vigilant tracing of new clusters and general acceptance of mask mandates and social distancing, Italy has become a model of virus containment.
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More than four months into a sustained outbreak, the U.S. reached the 5 million mark, according to the running count kept by Johns Hopkins University. Health officials believe the actual number is perhaps 10 times higher, or closer to 50 million, given testing limitations and the fact that as many as 40% of all those who are infected have no symptoms.
“ We Italians always saw America as a model,” said Massimo Franco, a columnist with daily Corriere della Sera. “But with this virus we’ve discovered a country that is very fragile, with bad infrastructure and a public health system that is nonexistent.”
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Europe as a whole has seen over 207,000 confirmed virus deaths, by Johns Hopkins’ count.
In the U.S., new cases are running at about 54,000 a day — an immensely high number even when taking into account the country’s large population. And while that’s down from a peak of well over 70,000 last month, cases are rising in nearly 20 states, and deaths are climbing in most.
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/9/2020 @ 11:53 am………
Many Europeans point proudly to their national health care systems that not only test but treat COVID-19 for free, unlike the American system, where the virus crisis has only exacerbated income and racial inequalities in obtaining health care.
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That was in the Republican primary. The New York Times says he was “trounced” in the general election four years ago.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/9/2020 @ 12:11 pmSome say…
Colonel Haiku (ba4310) — 8/9/2020 @ 12:13 pmPerson, man, woman, tv, camera,
nk (1d9030) — 8/9/2020 @ 12:19 pmThighland, Yosemight,
Covfefe!
Schlemiel, schlimazel,
Hassenpfeffer, Incorporated!
When I read that article I also noticed that Maureen Dowd was not correct, inasmuch as there was man and a woman ticket in 2016, and that that was after 1984, but I am something of a nitpicker. I don’t like generalizations.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/9/2020 @ 12:20 pmIt depends on your reserves. Even with half his brain, Biden would be more mentally, emotionally, and intellectually healthy than the Fifth Avenue puppy. But there’s no need to speculate. Compare what Biden has done in the 30 years since his surgery and what Trump has done in those same 30 years.
nk (1d9030) — 8/9/2020 @ 12:23 pmDavid Axelrod says he’s never seen so much oppo research dumped on vice presidential contenders as now, and people think he means that a lot of it is coming from Kamala Harris’s camp.
Chris Dodd is one of four people leading Joe Biden’s vice presidential search and probably the most important one. He’s maybe more against Kamala Harris than Biden is.
Here are Biden;s notes for his press conference the week before last:
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/07/28/us/politics/ap-us-election-2020-biden-harris.html
On the other hand Biden, while not thinking of a successor, wants a person whom he can trust, who he can work with and who is knowledgeable.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/us/politics/joe-biden-vice-presidential-search.html
All these interviews is checking those kinds of things out.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/9/2020 @ 12:35 pmI’m genuinely curious to see how Trump’s executive order on evictions exempts his, the Kushner family’s, and Sheldon Adelson’s properties.
nk (1d9030) — 8/9/2020 @ 12:44 pmtaters got to tater,
https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/09/cnns-brian-stelter-displays-total-cluelessness-about-cnns-purpose/
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 12:47 pmMany Europeans point proudly to their national health care systems that not only test but treat COVID-19 for free, unlike the American system, where the virus crisis has only exacerbated income and racial inequalities in obtaining health care.
But libs love America.
beer ‘n pretzels (26e26a) — 8/9/2020 @ 12:48 pmbelgium is drawing the largest number of cases, per thousands, the times chose to look there, not in their back yard, spain was next,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 12:50 pmRip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/9/2020 @ 11:53 am
Like Belgium?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/08/world/europe/coronavirus-nursing-homes-elderly.html
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/9/2020 @ 12:58 pm161. nk (1d9030) — 8/9/2020 @ 12:44 pm
I thik there’s nothing actually drafted, but it probably would have a rent ceiling – only applying when rents are below a cap.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:01 pmthis is hardhitting journalism…
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2020/08/09/cbs-dreams-about-unconventional-first-lady-jill-biden
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:02 pmTrump walks out of news conference after reporter asks him about Veterans Choice lie he’s told more than 150 times
Dave (1bb933) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:06 pm141.
Good point by Bill Gates. Did he study Milton Friedman’s writings or something?
That’s the way to stop these useless tests from being done. Pay a tiny fraction of the cost for reslts delivered late (but pay something so at least you know for the record) And there is some spare capacity, or spare capacity that could be created, outside of the national out-of-state labs/
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:07 pmyeah if you want government funded healthcare you hate America. Go with that. (yes I know you’ll deny you said what you said)
Even the most sincere conservative has had second thoughts the moment he gets a real American hospital bill. My kiddo’s hospital bills were $192,000 in total. Worth every penny, but still I don’t hate America for being open to alternatives, in fact, I genuinely love my country and looked around the NICU at other parents worrying about their bills, hoping they wouldn’t be financially ruined the moment their families started.
Biden can’t speak properly so there is some cognitive decline. And if the Trump team focuses on nanny stuff about bike helmets instead of how he stammers and avoids interviews or real challenge, they deserve to lose.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:13 pmarciso @167. How about this scenario,
A week after the virtual convention, the vice presidential candidate drops out of the race because of cnotroversy. Joe Biden offers the position to Andrew Cuomo, who turns it down and suggests Leticia James (like his father, Mario Cuomo did when asked about the vice presidency by Walter Mondale and suggested Geraldine Ferraro instead.)
Joe Biden rejects the idea of Leticia James.
I suppose then he could pick his wife, Jill, because that would be only person not specifically investigated who he nevertheless could be sure wouldn’t have any surprising and negative financial or medical information turn up.
But that would be like Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua.
Or he’s have to go back to his list.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:15 pmif there isn’t sufficient money being earned, and lord fauci, will tell us when we will be able to do so, it’s an academic argument, now landlords still have to pay property tax, they aren’t exempt,
either directly through the va, that sanders and mccain, pbuh, somehow failed to really show any oversight, or the nursing home facilities, which are incentivized with federal dollars, the common element on both coasts, from augusta, to miami, from seattle to san diego, although northeast state typified by new york made it policy,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:21 pmIf no law is passed, the businesses – those that do not go bankrupt – will pay the tax later.
If Congress forgives it, everyone knows they will do an accounting shuffle. The lost Social Security and Medicare trust funds will be made up and are funded by general revenues and the lost general revenue will add to the deficit.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:22 pm172. Fauci says the earliest vaccine will probably be only maybe 60% or 70% effective so we’ll have to continue treading water with all these non pharmacological interventions.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fauci-vaccine/fauci-warns-covid-19-vaccine-may-be-only-partially-effective-public-health-measures-still-needed-idUSKCN2532YX
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:26 pm@170: Dustin, the things libs believe America does better than Europe are:
????
I’ll wait….
beer ‘n pretzels (a67981) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:27 pmhttps://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/what-happened-in-beirut.php
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:28 pmshirley
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-might-not-get-a-speaking-slot-at-democratic-national-convention/
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:29 pmTo be accurate the assessment is that Russia is still trying to damage Biden but China is not actively intervening n the presidential election – they are spying to get information but don’t think they can swing the election – China is concentrating on assorted local races. And pushing ideas too, of course.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:29 pmBiden can’t speak properly so there is some cognitive decline. And if the Trump team focuses on nanny stuff about bike helmets instead of how he stammers and avoids interviews or real challenge, they deserve to lose.
Nanny stuff? If you’ve had a few brain surgeries [on the taxpayer-financed U.S. Senate’s sweet gov’t healthcare plan BTW] you might demonstrate some frigging good judgement and basic common sense as a candidate for POTUS at nearly 78 years old by wearing a protective helmet hurtling along a bumpy beach road on your two-wheeler.
Maybe he swims at the beach without a lifeguard, too– let’s ask Corn Pop.
Plagiarist JoeyBee is an idiot.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:30 pmWhat happened in Beirut is that Lebanon is an incompletely failed state. Strong enough to prevent anyone from doing anything about it.
It is possible that Hezbollah wanted the ammonium nitrate there in the hopes that one day it could get its hands on it and to that end stalled court proceedings and efforts by the port to do anything about it.
They probably did not want it to go to the Lebanese Army or the private company that was suggested.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:35 pm@175. Speaking the Queen’s English. Healthcare… Starting wars…
And, of course, rocketry:
“Our Germans are better than their Germans.” – ‘The Right Stuff’ 1983
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:36 pmthe lebanese army, is a proxy of hezbollah, which we fund with our tax dollars, they were suppressing the protesters, as alberto fernandez, noted in my earlier link,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:37 pm159.It depends on your reserves. Even with half his brain, Biden would be more mentally, emotionally, and intellectually healthy than the Fifth Avenue puppy.
Biden is an emotional cripple. He doesn’t have the balls for the job. Trump does. Scranton, Wilmington, the ‘here’s-the-deal-I’m-only-the warm-bucket-of-piss-VP’ along with the protected chambers of the U.S. Senate ain’t Noo Yawk.
His angst over the death of Beau, though understandable up to a point— was a huge tell about his mental instability and insincerity. He milked it and used as an excuse to not challenge Hillary. He blew it; missed his chance– just like Christie.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:49 pmIsn’t that why you’re really pissed though? Biden’s answering an interview question, through a mask, while pedaling away on a bike, in those aviators, that’s excellent judgment as a political candidate. It is easy, very low risk (bikes are not that unsafe if you eliminate the cars), and it just hammers into the minds of low info voters that Biden’s basically just a normal guy, not really that old.
I thought you’d get this being all about showbiz.
And you’d be all over Biden if he wore a helmet. You’d be saying he is an idiot because he should just stay off bikes if he’s concerned about safety, bla bla bla.
You did notice he’s surrounded at all times right? He isn’t a real guy running around on bikes or driving that cool Corvette. This is entertainment and Biden is upsetting all the right people (such as phony nannies).
A little test of good faith= Which is more dangerous:
Biden’s next bike ride or Trump’s next Big Mac?
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:49 pmMy take is this would only lend transparency to the indoctrination, but this “educator” is right to show some fear…
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/08/09/educator-worried-parents-will-find-out-what-hes-actually-teaching-their-kids-in-virtual-school-locks-down-but-we-grabbed-the-thread/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:49 pmBiden’s next bike ride or Trump’s next Big Mac?
[x] training wheels
[ ] you want fries with that?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:53 pmIt is so weird to see someone praise Trump’s courage.
a little army for a photo op at a church, simpering next to Putin in front of cameras, tearing the hair out of Ivana’s head in that attack, wishing Ghislaine well because … Trump probably did some real bad stuff on camera at some point. He is not a man I have ever respected.
Trump’s courageous on twitter when he’s bashing someone’s wife or dad, but when the nation calls for protection, Trump calls for a doctor’s note. Unlike Army Captain Ronald Reagan or Air Force Lt George W Bush, I might add.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:57 pmIsn’t that why you’re really pissed though?
Pissed? No– just laughing at the astonishing stupidity of the Amtrak Man.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 1:58 pmInto the memory hole with him!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-chaotic-soccer-league-hampers-xis-world-cup-dream-11596794400
(one paragraph in this article says)
The online version of this article links to this:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-sporting-power-couple-issues-rare-rebuke-of-ruling-communist-party-11591797324
Article dated June 10:
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:00 pmCoulda fooled me. I thought you had a really intense problem with Biden and nothing he could ever do would avoid some kind of criticism.
You’re telling me that had Biden worn a helmet, you would be praising him? You’re honestly saying that?
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:02 pm@187.Courage? No. Decisiveness- for better or worse- yes.
Plagiarist JoeyBee fails on that. He eliminated half the VP candidate pool by excluding men and pandering to women then panders to a subset of same. If he pick a black woman, he’s toast w/ many indy whites. If he picks a white woman, the blacks stay home — or votes “What have you got to lose?” Trump.
Always keep your options open. If this was October, 1962, a CIC Biden would have us glowing in the dark. Plagiarist JoeyBee is an idiot.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:04 pm@190.No; ‘here’s the deal, man’: would have told you his ‘joke’ w/the Junior Doocey was lame.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:07 pmand now slo jo, or whichever puppeteer guides, regurgitates the ferguson slander, against officer wilson, just pouring more gasoline on the fire,
if kennedy had committed to the brigade, and kept the landing at trinidad, near the base of the underground, there wouldn’t have been missiles there in the first place,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:10 pmBiden’s probably wondering why he’s getting so many informal prostate exams, given the Shari Lewis Lambchop approach to his campaign his “handlers” are taking.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:16 pm193. narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:10 pm
Did he?
Barack Obama’s Department of Justice
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf
and in his eulogy for John Lewis:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/us/obama-eulogy-john-lewis-full-transcript.html
And John Leeis in his farewell Op-ed
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/opinion/john-lewis-civil-rights-america.html
Was careful not to do this.
But that would have violated international law – Kennedy listened to someone who told him U.S. military help wasn’t necessary.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:21 pm@183-
Biden is the emotional cripple? Trump has had absolutely no empathy or compassion for anyone but himself (Nobody likes me!) His callousness toward the nearly 160,000 Americans that have died on his watch over the last 5 months (I’m not responsible! It is what is!) is appalling. His inability not to speak ill of the dead is reflects a deep seated need to have the last word.
His other emotional problems, like his braggadocio about his personal “accomplishments” (cheating at golf, claiming to win tournaments he never played in, romantic relationships that never occurred) and emotionally tormenting his brother, sexually objectifying female relatives and women in general have been amply displayed and reported for decades.
The deaths of your first wife, daughter, and much later a son I’m sure are unforgettable and a leave lasting on someone’s life.
What’s Trump’s excuse?
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:27 pmDCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:04 pm
He eliminated 80%, not 50% and then hinted he’d eliminate 95% of who was left. This is foolish unless he actually had one person in mind all along and drew up the categories later. Then he would be like Bill Clinton in picking the Attorney General of the United States in 1993 (I think he always wanted Janet Reno – he was careful to torpedo two other choices before her.)
Now it looks like Joe Biden maybe doesn’t like any of his choices, or perhaps is being counseled against his favorite, which would be Susan Rice. One of the arguments for announcing the choice not too close to the convention was that the vice presidential nominee shouldn’t overshadow him. That sounds like Susan Rice.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:29 pmI totally agree with you on this. Biden didn’t serve in any military, and he has campaigned by tip toe. It happens to be that Trump’s fans are very wound up so all Biden has to do is look cool in a Chevy and they start fainting. This is an entertaining and clever campaign but it is not decisive (and we need great leadership).
But I’m not here to praise Biden. I took issue with your praise of Trump’s courage.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:31 pmBiden’s experienced in the backstabbing world of the US Senate. He knows Harris is not his friend. He also knows the easy path would be to pick her, because the same pressure on him would be for him. Until he was sworn in and the same anonymous sources started talking about the 25th amendment every time Biden didn’t tip toe.
I don’t think it’s that big a deal to want a woman for VP. I do think it’s a big deal to pick categories that are ok and aren’t ok because you were challenged to do so.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:35 pmIf this were October 1962, a CINC Trump would praise Soviet missiles wherever they wanted to put them. He’d dismiss concerns about it as fake news.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:39 pmIf Trump was CIC in 1962!he “So what? We have nuclear missiles aimed at the USSR in Turkey. No big deal. I just made a deal with Castro to open a casino. “
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:42 pmKhrushchev was the Trump-iest leader the Soviets ever had.
I’m not sure Mr. Cognitive would have had the same sort of crush he has on Putin.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/9/2020 @ 2:48 pmThe Wallets of Wall Street Are With Joe Biden, if Not the Hearts
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More and more finance professionals………appear to be sidelining their concerns about Mr. Biden’s age — 77 — and his style. They are surprisingly unperturbed at the likelihood of his raising their taxes and stiffening oversight of their industry. In return, they welcome the more seasoned and methodical presidency they believe he could bring.
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“I’ve seen meaningful numbers of people put aside what would appear to be their short-term economic interest because they value being citizens in a democracy,” said Seth Klarman, founder of the hedge fund Baupost. A longtime independent, Mr. Klarman was at one point New England’s biggest giver to the Republican Party. But in this cycle, he has given $3 million to groups supporting Mr. Biden.
Or as James Attwood, a managing director at the Carlyle Group and a former investment banker at Goldman Sachs, put it, “For people who are in the business of hiring and firing C.E.O.s, Donald Trump should have been fired a while ago.” (Mr. Attwood contributed $200,000 in June to the Biden Action Fund, a joint committee with the Democratic National Committee.)
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/9/2020 @ 3:11 pm………
………Financial executives mostly seem to believe that while their taxes would rise in a Biden administration, they would not be subjected to the kind of “fat cat” rhetoric that soured some of their relationships with former President Barack Obama.
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Mr. Biden’s more benign stance toward the finance industry has provoked skepticism among advocates for stricter regulation.
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Financial industry cash flowing to Mr. Biden and outside groups supporting him shows him dramatically out-raising the president, with $44 million compared with Mr. Trump’s $9 million.
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Tomorrow will mark one year since Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill hisself….
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/9/2020 @ 3:14 pmand the cameras were down, and the guards were called off shift, it took nearly a year to apprehend his lieutenant,
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 3:18 pmwhat is the point of charlie parker,
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/08/massachusetts-accused-rapist-bailed-out-of-jail-by-liberal-bail-fund-group-charged-with-raping-again/
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 3:33 pmdejavu
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/08/perils-pretending-war-something-else-david-horowitz/
narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 3:37 pmMore and more finance professionals………appear to be sidelining their concerns about Mr. Biden’s age — 77 — and his style.
No surprise; chums w/t Delaware banking set.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 3:44 pmHis daddy bought him a doctor’s note multiple times, and bailed him out of business failures – but couldn’t buy up enough chips to save a failing casino.
Trump turns tail when a reporter asks a question he doesn’t like.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/9/2020 @ 3:48 pmHe’s a bully who doesn’t get into physical altercations because there’s a chance he might get hurt.
Were those EO’s yesterday even legal?
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/9/2020 @ 3:54 pmThe Great Leader’s will is the highest law.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/9/2020 @ 4:07 pmnarciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 3:33 pm
No one here was friends with Charlie Parker but we all know who he was.
felipe (023cc9) — 8/9/2020 @ 4:21 pmAmazon and Mall Operator Look at Turning Sears, J.C. Penney Stores Into Fulfillment Centers
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/9/2020 @ 4:25 pmHe’s a bully who doesn’t get into physical altercations because there’s a chance he might get hurt.
Maybe he should hide in a bunker.
beer ‘n pretzels (3f887b) — 8/9/2020 @ 4:27 pmOr go out for a bicycle ride, like Joe Biden.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/9/2020 @ 4:33 pmOr go out for a bicycle ride, like Joe Biden.
LOL, keep setting the bar high. No need to “turn tail” on a reporter when you avoid them altogether.
beer ‘n pretzels (e2de83) — 8/9/2020 @ 4:42 pmDuring the campaign, Trump has consistently attempted to portray “Sleepy Joe” as an old, senile man hiding out in his basement. The clip of Biden riding his bike with younger people around him, countered that. Instead the public saw a youthful and energetic figure. The only physical outing we’ve seen Trump involved with is riding around in a golf cart in ridiculously ill-fitting khakis on his way to whack a small teed-up ball with a metal stick.
Dana (292df6) — 8/9/2020 @ 4:51 pmSome people, I’m not saying who, I think would have loved a picture of Biden in some effeminate bicycle helmet like Obama, or Dukakis in the tank, or Kerry in the astronaut bunny suit, but Biden is a more astute politician than that.
nk (1d9030) — 8/9/2020 @ 4:57 pm“Better than Trump” is a very low bar to clear.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:00 pmAbsolutely. He’s no fool.
Dana (292df6) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:02 pmMaybe he should hide in a bunker.
I can see him lying back in his satin dress,
nk (1d9030) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:04 pmIn a room where he does what Vlad Putin says.
Tatiana had better take care,
If Vlad sees Recep creeping up the back stairs.
@196. Biden is the emotional cripple?
Yep. He can weep as a senator and a warm bucket of piss standing by another’s policy decisions. But as CIC he or she has to be a SOB. Has to be decisive and capable of sending citizens into harms way– and possibly to their deaths. Bubba could compartmentalize; he had it; Hillary had it; cold as vichyssoise. Trump has it; deader inside than the air in Reagan’s coffin. Christie shows he had it. Romney destroyed lifes; he had it. Obama had it. Both Bush’s had it. Dead Dick Nixon had it. LBJ, JFK, Ike, Truman and FDR all had it. Even Carter grew pair w/t ill-fated Desert One.
Biden does not. Plagiarist JoeyBee’s laborious, demonstrated emotional instability was the tell; he doesn’t have the balls for the gig.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:12 pm@220. There’s no fool like an old fool.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:14 pmThe dream rationale: “I’m nearly 78 years old so I’ll risk a head injury tooling down a bumpy beach road on my two-wheler after several brain surgeries because my staff couldn’t find me a stylish bicycle helmet.”
He’s an idiot.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:21 pm@222-
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:23 pmWe’ll see.
People made a big deal about Reagan’s age. When he first took office, he was the oldest President, at 69 years of age, in U.S. history. Don Henley of the Eagles would later pen the lyric “tired old man that we elected king” in reference to Reagan.
When Reagan left office after two terms, he was younger, at 77, than Biden will be if and when Biden takes office in January.
Does that concern anybody?
norcal (a5428a) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:24 pmTrump has consistently attempted to portray “Sleepy Joe” as an old, senile man hiding out in his basement. The clip of Biden riding his bike with younger people around him, countered that. Instead the public saw a youthful and energetic figure.
ROFLMAO. Haven’t seen that much spin since Twister was on AMC.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:24 pmTo clarify, Reagan was the oldest person (up to that time) to assume the office of the Presidency.
norcal (a5428a) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:32 pmSeventy is the new fifty.
nk (1d9030) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:33 pm@226. And Reagan’s competence was legitimately questioned-especially after his poor debate performance w/Mondale. And Reagan recovered. Among the numerous problems w/Plagiarist JoeyBee is his consistent gaffes which only increase w/every on camera appearance, a declining diction and disturbing mental instability. CIC is a tough gig. The guy is a hobbling cadaver. Compare video of him now to 2008… or 2012, even in 2016. The dusk between night and day has set in: Xi and Vlad will eat his lunch.
He missed his chance by not challenging HRC.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:34 pmDoes that concern anybody?
No. Did you not see him ride a bike?
beer ‘n pretzels (7ae577) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:36 pm@230-
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:37 pmEven more so after being shot.
So a 70-year old man marries a 25-year old woman. His friend asks him, “How did you manage to talk a 25-year old girl into marrying you?” He says, “I lied about my age?” His friend asks: “What did you do? Tell her you were fifty?” He says: “No. I told her I was ninety.”
nk (1d9030) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:37 pm@231 🙂
norcal (a5428a) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:38 pm@225. ‘We’ll see…’
We have.
And we’ve seen enough:
‘Vice President Joe Biden offered a contradictory account of his long-running assertion that he opposed the raid that ultimately killed Osama bin Laden in 2011.’– source, time.com, 10/20/15
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:39 pmBiden avoiding a 90% friendly press shows how astute and sharp he is.
beer ‘n pretzels (7ae577) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:39 pmThat’s a good one, nk!
norcal (a5428a) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:39 pmIt should concern everybody that Biden is 77, that his opponent is only three years younger, that both have displayed noticeable signs of mental decline, and that both major parties have well displayed their dysfunction by nominating these geezers as their parties’ respective standard bearers.
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:39 pmWe really need a legitimate third party, if only to have a valid choice of a candidate who is Anal Leakage or Sh*tstain.
@231. He woke up, too.
Sleep well, America.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:40 pmEh.
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:41 pm…of a candidate who is not Anal…
227,
You know it’s all about the optics. And clearly Biden on a bike presents a much better optic than Trump golfing, just as Bush clearing brush in Crawford or Obama playing basketball presented a more youthful, strong picture than Clinton sucking down McDonalds in shorty-shorts.
Dana (292df6) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:41 pmTrump can barely complete a spoken sentence or thought. Incomplete sentences, changing subjects in mid-sentence, lack of focus, etc. are a sure sign of decline. He can remember five words though.
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:42 pm@238. Except one doesn’t smoke or drink and in the gig now with a ‘yugggge’ number of oars in the water and the other has had multiple brain surgeries, was a VP and has noticeably declined since he left the gig four years ago and left both his oars on shore for a bicycle.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:44 pm@238 I don’t believe the problem is dysfunctional parties. Rather, it is dysfunctional voters who didn’t vote for better people in the primaries.
Think of all the people who were running for the Democratic nomination, and how many of the moderates younger than Biden dropped out early due to lack of support.
Similarly, think of all the people competing with Trump in the 2016 Republican primary. All of the other contenders were better than Trump, and younger too, I believe.
The problem is not in the stars, or the system, or the parties, but in ourselves.
norcal (a5428a) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:47 pm@241. The “optics” are an old man who is nearly 78 and has had two brain surgeries is riding a bike without a helmet– something we tell our kids to do..
The bad optics on Trump is the doofus won’t wear a mask.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:47 pmHe can remember five words though.
Me too! Me too! “Hand, finger, thumb, computer, keyboard.” There, see?
In the first place, if Trump said it, it’s a lie. The whole cognitive test story. In the second place, it’s obvious that he made up the five words from what he was looking at the interview.
nk (1d9030) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:49 pmOMG MY BFF Jill
Yes it’s spin. Americans want to be entertained and comparing Biden to Trump is very amusing. Without a doubt, it is easier for Biden to look like he’s fit for a 60 second interaction on a bike or with a sports car than it is for Biden to answer a tough question where he has to balance interests and tell us the truth about bad things.
So Biden’s campaign has eliminated that tough part.
Sadly it’s working. It wouldn’t work against anybody but Trump.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:49 pmI don’t believe the problem is dysfunctional parties.
I do. They’ve spit out too much phlegm in recent cycles. They’re overdue for a structural overhaul.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:50 pm@247. ROFLMAOPIP. Yeah, that comeback to Doocey was a realllllllll show stopper.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:52 pm@248
They’re overdue for a structural overhaul.
What kind of structural overhaul is going to prevent people from voting for Trumps and Bidens in primaries?
norcal (a5428a) — 8/9/2020 @ 5:55 pmI take your point, norcal, and it tells you how deep the dysfunction is, that party members would nominate those candidates. Trump is a symptom, and I suppose Biden is as well.
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:02 pmDad joke level stuff that didn’t register as important to Americans. For Biden, that’s great performance because he could have easily said something racist on accident.
Again, this wouldn’t have happened but for Trump. Who do you think joined the democrats and voted for this least liberal on stage guy? Some of that conservative movement Trump destroyed. Tough luck Bernie!
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:02 pmThis reminds me: the senior facility that my 90-year old mom lives in requires cognitive tests for independent living residents every 6 months. Mom was again insulted to be asked to take a “test” that “most small children who have been interacted with” could pass. I asked her what some of the questions were, and they sounded similar to the ones Trump boasted about having nailed. Heh.
Dana (292df6) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:07 pmAnd that’s the point: the bar really is that low. And that’s a bar that Biden can handle (in limited doses).
Dana (292df6) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:08 pm@250. The point is the parties as currently structured, permitting them to float up for a flushing to begin with.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:09 pmThey say Trump’s a symptom but he’s more than that. I hope they do put him up on Mount Rushmore as a warning.
Watching Cruz deftly handle Hirono walking out of the committee when he asked her to criticize Antifa… the opportunity in 2016 was profound. I don’t even like Cruz anymore (because how could you?) but it’s amazing
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:12 pm@253. They test airline pilots for competence! There’s nothing wrong with requiring people in public office or operating in any kind or public service past a certain age being required to take and pass a competency test.
There’s too much property, cost and lives at steak– or is it stake! Oops, I’d fail! 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:13 pm@252. Dad joke level stuff that didn’t register as important to Americans
Yeah, a CIC-type quipping ‘hunny, I forgot to duck’ after getting winged didn’t register at all.
Biden won’t, but at least you should get with it.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:16 pmI wish I could but I have no idea what’s up with politics and I don’t care to follow these jackasses around trying to figure out which set of awful people deserve a thing from me. We’ve got people praising Trump’s courage up thread while whining about bike helmets they would turn around and condemn if Biden wore one. Whatever you have to smoke to see the world that way, listen to Nancy Reagan. Just say no.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:21 pm@38. And FYI, Plagiarist JoeyBee will crack 78 years of age in just over 90 days.
He’s too damn old for the rigors of the gig.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:34 pm^238.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:34 pm@260-
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:44 pmSee post 29.
Trump wasn’t always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?
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STAT reviewed decades of Trump’s on-air interviews and compared them to Q&A sessions since his inauguration. The differences are striking and unmistakable.
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In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which — and this is no mean feat — would have scanned just fine in print……..
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Now, Trump’s vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:
For decades, studies have found that deterioration in the fluency, complexity, and vocabulary level of spontaneous speech can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease. …….
The experts noted clear changes from Trump’s unscripted answers 30 years ago to those in 2017, in some cases stark enough to raise questions about his brain health…….
…….There are clearly some changes in Trump as a speaker” since the 1980s, said (Ben Michaelis, a psychologist in New York City), …….including a “clear reduction in linguistic sophistication over time,” with “simpler word choices and sentence structure. … In fairness to Trump, he’s 70, so some decline in his cognitive functioning over time would be expected.”
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/9/2020 @ 6:48 pm………
…….[L]linguistic decline is also obvious in two interviews with David Letterman, in 1988 and 2013, presumably with much the same kind of audience. In the first, Trump threw around words such as “aesthetically” and “precarious,” and used long, complex sentences. In the second, he used simpler speech patterns, few polysyllabic words, and noticeably more fillers such as “uh” and “I mean.”
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John Montgomery, a psychologist in New York City and adjunct professor at New York University, said “it’s hard to say definitively without rigorous testing” of Trump’s speaking patterns, “but I think it’s pretty safe to say that Trump has had significant cognitive decline over the years.”
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Trump’s Yosemite gaffe brings towering sales to National Museum of American Jewish History
Sales at the National Museum of American Jewish History’s online store have exploded since video of President Donald Trump mispronouncing Yosemite as “Yo Semite” went viral, thanks to a t-shirt the gift shop has had in stock for nearly a decade.
The store pulled in about $30,000 in sales in the 30 hours after Trump’s gaffe during a White House ceremony on Tuesday, according to Kristen Kreider, the museum’s director of retail and visitor experience. That’s about the same amount of sales the shop did for the entire month of June, she said.
Rip Murdock (db4a44) — 8/9/2020 @ 7:10 pm……….
The museum has had a camp-themed t-shirt reading “Yo Semite” — a play on Yosemite National Park — on sale since 2011, and it wasn’t typically a big seller. The museum usually sold around 100 of the shirts annually, Kreider said. In the last three days, it has sold about 1,500 shirts, she said. The shop website even crashed at one point due to a spike in traffic, she added.
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At least one of Trump’s gaffes paid off for a good cause.
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Narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 7:29 pmHe’s done more for Jews than Moses.
Just ask him.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/9/2020 @ 7:30 pmHe’s done more for Jews than Moses.
Trump Recognizes Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/middleeast/...
President Trump formally recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and announced a plan to move the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to the fiercely contested city.
Lately— yeah. He has.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2020 @ 7:42 pmDefend this, or dont
https://mobile.twitter.com/proteinwisdom/status/1292522545996902400
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/9/2020 @ 8:01 pmHe makes a great point. But I think Biden just not remembering because his brain broke is going way too easy on him. I think Biden’s stoking rage to recover credibility about a matter that was resolved. When people are losing their lives and communities are being torn apart that’s pretty damn unpresidential.
I saw body camera footage of George Floyd’s arrest, before the video in wide dissemination. Obviously it does not mitigate what Chauvin did because I don’t think anything could, but it does show how difficult George Floyd made the arrest. And when a task becomes very difficult, chances of a broken person handling it horribly go up, and chances that they did that due to racism probably go down. It makes the narrative more complicated in my opinion.
Why isn’t Trump leading on this? We all know, right and left, that bad cops are a problem but being a cop is not easy. Raising the standards and raising the bar is leadership. Both Biden and Trump are miserable failures on this important issue.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/9/2020 @ 9:03 pmI agree with the last sentence:
It’s worth a full read, seeing it all in one place. Saletan’s case is a strong one, with hundreds of links.
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/9/2020 @ 9:39 pmLike the Taliban had their chance, Trump had his. He needs to go, the sooner the better. He’s too unfit. In 2016, I said that Trump would be bad for America as president, and I nailed it (and, to be fair, I said the same about Hillary).
I agree Paul. Trump tweeted “Liberate Michigan” among other states to push the state to *reduce* its efforts to mitigate death from the virus. I didn’t know Trump got his info from Xi, but we all know Bolton’s claim Trump sought Xi’s help was probably an honest claim.
We know Trump needs a truly vicious October surprise. My guess is that it will come from China.
Seems like folks angry at either candidate, either party, any major leader, are making great points. No one praising them are. The fish rots.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/9/2020 @ 9:50 pmUm, yeah, Trump really was serious. I’m getting tired of using the word “unfit”, so I’ll say it backward, which sounds more like an epithet: TIFNU!
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/9/2020 @ 10:08 pmI’m starting to wonder if Hillary would have been a better President than Trump. As for filling vacancies on the Supreme Court, I’m confident the answer is “no”. Keystone Pipeline? No. Deregulation? No. Abortion? No.
Tax cut? Yes, in that she probably wouldn’t have cut taxes in the face of a deficit, which to me was very irresponsible. Trade war? Yes, in that I doubt she would have started one. Coronavirus? Yes. I think she would have taken it more seriously, and mimicked what European countries did to combat it. Health care? Yes, if she maintained Obamacare. Trump removed the part of Obamacare that made people responsible (the mandate), and kept the portion that ensured people would be irresponsible (must cover pre-existing conditions).
I was on the fence in 2016 until Comey announced the re-opening of the Hillary investigation. I then voted for Trump. Maybe I was wrong to do so.
This time around it’s another difficult choice. In my opinion, both candidates will be harmful to the U.S. in different ways. Identifying and weighing those harms, and how long they will last, is where it gets hard.
norcal (a5428a) — 8/9/2020 @ 10:19 pmDon Henley of the Eagles would later pen the lyric “tired old man that we elected king” in reference to Reagan.
Was this before or after Henley was found with two coked-up young girls (one nearly OD’d) in his jacuzzi?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/9/2020 @ 10:22 pm@275 Don’t get me wrong. I disagreed with Henley’s message. I’m just saying that some people on the left made a big deal about Reagan’s age, but Reagan was younger at the end of his 2nd term than Biden will be upon entering office (if he is elected).
norcal (a5428a) — 8/9/2020 @ 10:28 pm276… As I figured. I was just reminding folks that Henley was – at heart – a garden-variety lefty D-bag.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/9/2020 @ 10:52 pmI can’t disagree about Henley, even though Hotel California is my favorite song ever.
norcal (a5428a) — 8/9/2020 @ 10:58 pmWhen you’re a star they let you do it.
You can do anything.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:33 am2 out of 5 stars…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 6:25 amTales From a Third World Enclave…
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/looting-and-chaos-erupt-in-downtown-chicago-with-widespread-damage-and-shots-fired/2319645/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 6:38 am35 shot, only 3 killed.
More practice, Chicago!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 6:39 amMurder rate in Chicago is more than double. A lot of consumption of human life going on this year in all kinds of ways. And as narciso pointed out, Biden wants to relitigate Michael Brown too. I won’t vote for Trump and I don’t see how I vote for Biden without feeling like I’m betraying my values.
It’s a shame we can’t have some kind of secure online primary or other fantasy solution.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/10/2020 @ 6:48 amBig Ten votes to cancel football season
Thanks, Obama.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 7:41 am@198
I’m not looking to praise Trump… but this strikes me as very weird.
You don’t think it takes courage to run for President…????
…and continue to stick with it in the face of an absolute headwind when most of the media and political class laughs at him? He was LITERALLY.LAUGHTED.AT about the possibility of being President while sitting in a White House Press Dinner headlined by Obama.
…and to continue to upend conventional wisdom and the DC elites daily once he got into the Whitehouse! Such as:
-moving the embassy to Jerusalem
-actively challenging the trade dynamic with China
-redoing the North America Trade pact
-withdrawing from the Mideast
-building the wall
-sticking with Kavanaugh during SCOTUS hearing brouhaha
-among others….
Those are things he faced enormous partisan/bi-partisan opposition in Congress and from the ‘powers-that-be’ (ie, Chamber of Commerce). Not to mention he recieved 90+% negative media all day…
Yet, he stuck to his guns. He’s decisive on some things (not all, but enough).
You may disagree with these polices…
You may think some are unconstitutional…
You may think he’s a jerk, unbecoming to the office of the Presidency (I’d agree with you there!)…
But, I find it strange that you think Trump lacks courage.
I see a President, who against all odds won a hotly contested election, who seemingly thrives in this highly toxic, caustic political environment and pushes through policies that *he* wants, even in the face of unpopularity and criticisms.
I can only attribute that to courage.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 7:43 am@210
The tax holiday one is legal.
Not sure of the eviction one… I think it’s legal as long as it’s the federal HUD is the one providing funding for housing.
Someone is going to having to help me figure out if the unemployment benefit one is legal. It’s all over the map and my gut is telling me no, it’s not legal along the lines of Obama’s DAPA/DACA EO.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 7:47 am@244
This… all of this.
Most voters doing treat the primaries as seriously as the general elections.
Until that changes… the current dysfunction (as it is today) will continue.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 7:51 amYou guys are behind the times. After midnight this morning, organized looters raided the Magnificent Mile. You know … Louis Vuitton, Cartier, Gucci, Omega …. Even our looters have better taste than Trump supporters. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-downtown-looting-20200810-3zwa3b7zzrc5vdyb4qjqywrjvu-story.html
nk (1d9030) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:04 amwhembly, I remember when Bill Maher caught a raft of sh*t when he said that the 9/11 terrorists were courageous, so I don’t take that attribute as anything special to crow about. Any public figure has to have some gumption to put himself/herself out there. To me, it’s about the cause or belief that one is applying courage to.
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:05 amTrump’s profiles in courage:
Dare to lie.
Dare to cheat.
Dare to be ignorant.
Dare to denigrate women.
Dare to line your pockets with taxpayer dollars.
Dare to wipe your @ss with the Constitution every day.
Dare to slander our allies.
Dare to love Putin.
Dare to love Kim.
Dare to love bigots.
Dare to shrug at 160,000 American dead.
Dare to help kill even more.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:08 amDamned foreigners.
They took our jobs!
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:16 amThis is like one of those facebook posts that worships poor Trump for his sacrifices.
No I do not think Trump’s self-worship and total insulation from criticism or legal consequences if courageous at all. Someone does not become courageous for taking the bankrupt and easy path, every time, even if they do so as a politician.
Is that just an afterthought to you? Like part of your cheerleader rhythmic chant comment? Good men died for that constitution to happen, for our democracy to happen, and the coward you praise muses about cancelling the election because it changes the subject from the pedophile who was arrested (after a last minute attempt to sabotage the prosecutor’s office that effected the arrest).
You would fit right in in Moscow.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:18 am#285-
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:21 amIt must have taken real courage to draw a Sharpie loop on a weather map and be confident that people wouldn’t notice the inanity. It’s the cowards who would have said: “Sorry, I was wrong about Alabama.”
It also must take courage to lie brazenly on a regular basis and assume that people won’t notice the contradictions and absurdities.
mr. Dave at 290:
mr. president donald trump, who should have been president of the 42nd street streetwalkers union if not for rampant transphobia, has in fact done more for jews than mr. Moses
he repealed The Commandments
nk (1d9030) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:23 amMost of what Trump’s fans view as courageous action on his part can be explained by his self-referential value system, his belief that nothing he does could really be wrong and that he can and should get away with pretty much anything (“I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue …”).
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:27 amIt would take a lot of courage to be the president and do it well. It would take courage to carefully decisions knowing the wrong one could ruin the lives of thousands (or in Trump’s case, end the lives of tens of thousands). It does not take courage to do these things poorly, insulated from criticism, taking responsibility for mistakes.
According to Whembly, among those who are couragous, defined as “candidate for US President”: John Kerry. Hillary Clinton. Mitt Romney. Like 260,000 people in the Bush family.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:28 amYeah he’s kinda a big deal.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:31 am@292
What makes you think that’s an afterthought??
Hyperbole much?
Seems like you don’t have a good response to what I posted, so you attack me instead of what I wrote.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:37 amBless your sweet socks.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:38 am@296
Yes. It takes courage to put yourself through the public grinder to run for office.
Somehow, this is controversial…
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:38 amBless your heart.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:39 am“Honey, I’m going out to
Paul Montagu (335319) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:41 amplay a round of golfengage in some performative masculinity. See you in five hours.”You had to lower the bar on courage so much that now you’re worshiping Hillary Clinton.
Maybe you should go move to Moscow? You express a sentiment that is the culture of loyal subjects of dictators. Of course such sentiment is intended to stifle courage and all it will take to ruin my country is for good people to say nothing about it.
It is easy to find courage if you want. Swear to God, strike me down if I’m lying: I think the old lady working at a grocery store, some naive kid peacefully standing at the front of a protest against the police department, children going to school today, they are all far more courageous than Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, both of whom could have saved children from pedophiles on the island Trump called a “cesspool” but did nothing about. Some of those girls were 13.
https://www.expresstorussia.com/russia_tourism.html
Get going.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/10/2020 @ 9:02 amWhat Biden actually tweeted about Michael Brown:
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1292505925685633025
This is probably, strictly speaking, true. His life was taken (albeit with good cause, although the moment of truth maybe could have been postponed) And it did ignite amovement. Not reignite. Biden thinks it restarted the Civil RIghts movement of the 1960s.
There are some black politicians – Democrats! (because the Republicans are mostly missing in action) – that are trying to limit, if not stop, some of the criminally inspired craziness.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/10/nyregion/defund-police-nyc-council.html
They maybe have to, though, sttack it as something sponsored by white people.
It seems like there may be more of adversity of publicly stated opinion among African Americans than Joe Biden is maybe willing to credit, although I don;t really know what he meant.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/10/2020 @ 9:06 am290. Meh…
Dare to be Nixon.
The Big Republican Dick an his missus would be soooo proud they wuz Right:
‘Richard and Pat Nixon Predicted Trump Presidency. “Whenever you decide to run for office, you will be a winner!” former president and first lady said of the future POTUS.’ – source, thewrap.com
“I am not a crook!” – Republican President Richard M. Nixon, 11/17/73
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/10/2020 @ 9:06 am@303
No. You’re being ridiculous who doesn’t want to have a discussion.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 9:08 amOr a craving for adulation. For Trump, the rallies are the heart of the job. He wants a worshipful audience that won’t challenge him.
I suppose it also took “courage” to suggest that his own image should be added to Mt.Rushmore.
What Trump fans call “courage” in Trump is what many of them were calling arrogance in Obama et al. (except that Trump’s ego is much more bloated).
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 9:09 am303. Russia, of course, pretends that Democrats support pedophiles, if they aren’t pedophiles themselves.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/russian-trolls-spread-baseless-conspiracy-theories-like
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/10/2020 @ 9:14 amYup.
Only those photoshops of uppity Obama in King Louis XIV’s throneroom actually resemble one of Trump’s stupid golden rooms. Trump actually wants to be seen that way. It really is a mockery of a servant’s values.
Responding to concerns over ethics with endless rants about how these leaders are great people… because they are our leaders. That’s dumb. All politicians must be treated with suspicion at best.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/10/2020 @ 9:26 amThis is true, (eith regard to passengers on cruise ships) but that doesn’t in itself risk lives.
Trump can also be blamed for being legalisic in his border closings, and for issuing one time orders without seeing how they worked in practice and modifying them. He would do one thing (following advice often) and then not go back to it for some time.
He was pushing for re-opening when that could only let the virus loose.
And it is true that it was said it might go away during the summer.
Trump deeerves credit, though, for pushing treatments, like hydroxychloroquine, and for Operation Warp Speed aimed at speeding up not just vaccines, but artificial antibodies and he was really on their case about immune plasma.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/health/trump-plasma.html
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/10/2020 @ 9:31 amThat is fascinating. This whole Russian manipulation stuff, if it were a movie or a book, would be amazing. They take a grain of truth and use it. They must have an incredible training program, probably troll all over the internet.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/10/2020 @ 9:38 amWe’re nowhere near peak NeverTrump craziness. The next 80plus days will be very entertaining.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 9:44 amSo courageous is Trump, that his staff makes sure to sugarcoat and cushion any criticism with a “positive feedback loop” to protect him (and themselves) from him being unhappy:
Courage in action.
Dana (292df6) — 8/10/2020 @ 9:55 amDaily Beast for the win!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 10:03 amThe next 80-plus days will be very entertaining.
Game. Set. Match.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/10/2020 @ 10:09 amDont let this be you, Joey Plugs:
https://news.yahoo.com/wild-bear-sniffed-womans-hair-103624650.html
urbanleftbehind (c55144) — 8/10/2020 @ 10:10 amMemo to Plagiarist JoeyBee.
RE- VP pick
As Nixon said to Old Man Ike: ‘Sh!t or get off the pot.”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/10/2020 @ 10:14 amthere is this animation going around twitter of Obama putting some elaborate medal on Joe Biden. Maybe it’s the medal of freedom. It would be more at home in a Trump campaign commercial.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/10/2020 @ 10:17 amPence said the same thing in 2016 to Donny, DC…and so is the South Dakota siren today.
urbanleftbehind (c55144) — 8/10/2020 @ 10:19 amCol. Haiku,
313 is an excerpt in the Daily Beast from a report in the Washington Post.
Dana (292df6) — 8/10/2020 @ 10:49 amEven better!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 10:55 amthere is this animation going around twitter of Obama putting some elaborate medal on Joe Biden. Maybe it’s the medal of freedom.
It’s a long deserved “Medal of Participation”… Biden has been participating – with this goal in mind – for his entire adult life.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 11:00 amBiden has settled on Democrat heavyweight Stacey Abrams as his choice for VP. Plugz said it was tough decision and that he now feels like a heavy burden has been lifted off his shoulders.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 11:06 amAnother reason I can’t stand Robbie Williams (who BTW is not remotely “one of the most likeable and charismatic musicians at work in the UK today”; he’s a nutter and a preening vulgarian who appeals to a low level of taste and who cheated a songwriter out of credit for “his” most celebrated song).
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 11:16 am320… https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/washington-post-celebrates-destruction-of-books.php
Eff the WaPoo, right in their cakeholes.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 11:21 amI assume Haiku is engaging in prediction as performance art rather than reporting breaking news…
Appalled (1a17de) — 8/10/2020 @ 11:22 amDustin (4237e0) — 8/10/2020 @ 9:38 am
For people who have worked there, it is or was not so great a training program, at least at the bottom level.
They want people who are already good at writing (what amounts to fiction) They were told more or less who to criticize and who not, and paid by the number of posts they made. Any decisions as to what to say come from elsewhere.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/world/europe/russia-troll-factory.html
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/10/2020 @ 11:25 am323. This is a joke, right? It’s not in Google News.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/10/2020 @ 11:27 amIt’s a fat joke. But I googled it too so jokes on us.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/10/2020 @ 11:29 amPizzagate was based, in part, on “decoding” John Podesta’s hacked emails.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/10/2020 @ 11:33 amStacey Abrams sounded wrong.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 8/10/2020 @ 11:52 amTrump calls SD governor Kristi Noem a liar, but says he thinks putting his face on Rushmore sounds like a good idea!
After he told her it was “his dream”, Noem actually had a 4-foot replica of Mt. Rushmore with his face on it made, and gave it to him as a gift!
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 11:54 am332… Wonder if CNN ever determined if their contention that Malaysia Flight 370 disappeared in a black hole was true?
Asking for a friend…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 11:59 amStop lying. CNN made no such contention.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 12:09 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpVd7k1Uw6A
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 12:22 pmDon LeMons
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 12:24 pmThanks for linking the evidence that proves you were lying.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 12:26 pmThis… all of this:
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 12:29 pmhttps://bernardgoldberg.com/why-i-want-biden-to-lose-more-than-i-want-trump-to-win/
Four more years of Trump, but with ZERO accountability, sounds so much safer!
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 12:37 pmAnyone with a functioning moral compass and a love for America should abhor Donald Trump.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 12:39 pm#338 — It’s a shame the GOP nominated someone so wretched in some many ways that a lot of people who voted for him over HRC are now willing to gamble on whatever comes with Biden just to be done with the Trumpian brand of insanity.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 12:41 pm@319. Race Bannon was not Donny’s number two on the runway.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/10/2020 @ 12:42 pm@323- If so, she knows where the sun shines best.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/10/2020 @ 12:43 pmBiden will be a pathetically ineffective president.
In his prime, he wasn’t even in the same league as Obama, in terms of political skill, and Obama was a pathetically ineffective president.
And Biden is now far from his prime.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 12:50 pm337… CNN at the very least were open to the black hole theory being possible. And presented it with a panel discussion, as a source of mirth, ghouls that they are, Dave, you ponce.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 12:52 pm@339
Dunno about zero accountability, but yes a 2nd Trump administration sounds so much safer than a Biden administration.
Fo sho.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:10 pmDave be wiggin’…
We Asked Astronomers About CNN’s Black Hole-Based Malaysian Plane Theory
Last night, CNN’s Don Lemon speculated that the missing Malaysia Airlines flight may have disappeared from the Earth because of a black hole. An Ivy League astronomer thinks that’s unlikely.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/03/we-asked-scientists-about-cnns-black-hole-based-malaysian-plane-theory/359382/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:11 pm@340
There…fixed it for you. 😉
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:11 pmand lyin’…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:12 pm@341
Not what I’m seeing.
I’m seeing many Trump voters and former Democrat voters not wanting to have anything to do with a Biden/Democrat controlled Whitehouse/Congress.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:12 pm@344
Biden will support and take his cues from the leadership of his party. And they’re buck F’n insane right now.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:13 pmAccording to available data that’s not the common opinion.
Time123 (80b471) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:16 pm@352. I wouldn’t appeal to authority where the industry lost their ass’ed off in the 2016 election.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:21 pm#350 — the stats show very considerable erosion of the Trump voting base. A lot of people are so sick of him that they would rather vote for a tuna sandwich. Some of them might not vote for Biden, but there are certainly a lot of Trump 2016 voters who will not vote for him this year.
If the Senate GOP had shown a spine, most of those people would probably have been happy to vote for Pence over Biden. But the GOP feared the rage of the cultists more than anything else.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:22 pmIt was a segment where a panel of experts answered questions from viewers posted on Twitter:
At no time did he or anyone else on CNN contend that a black hole was responsible.
In fact, he made exactly the opposite contention, calling it preposterous and asking a guest if she agreed.
Stop lying.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:26 pmIn 2016, the final average of national polls agreed with the actual result to within better than 2%.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:28 pmIt’s not an appeal to authority, it’s data. It doesn’t tell us what’s going to happen. I tells us how people responded to the survey. You can try to use that to determine what’s going to happen if you want, or not. But in the mean time, data is showing Biden is more popular than Trump in about every survey.
Time123 (80b471) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:42 pm@356
Here’s the problem with that statement…
We don’t have national elections. The state polls, particularly the battlegrounds (ie, PA, WI) states were wildly off.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:51 pmYes, they missed it by that much.
But seriously!
felipe (023cc9) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:52 pmIt’s CNN. Not that I even have cable TV but CNN always does the same thing with every tragedy. They milk it for an extremely long time, squeezing every conceivable bit they can. These guys must love the pandemic. It’s sad to imagine some of these folks applied everything they had into becoming journalists only to wind up chuckling about black holes because we can’t find where these couple hundred bodies are.
Dustin (4237e0) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:53 pm@357
Sure. That’s what the data says….today.
Is it 100% accurate?
We went through this in 2016 and it seems like these pollsters are doing their damnedest to repeat it.
Polling only get you so far.
That’s why both parties spends enormous amount of manpower in grassroots electioneering.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/10/2020 @ 1:53 pmMost of these polls are +/- about 3%.
You’re right, today, more people want Biden to be president. If someone releases the Trump/Putin sex tape I expect that would help Biden. If Biden slips his handlers and is recorded literally speaking in tongues I would expect that to get worse.
Advertising and get out of the vote are ways to change this. That’s why ppl do it.
Again, i’m not asserting this means Biden will win. I’m asserting that right now, more people like him than Trump.
Time123 (52fb0e) — 8/10/2020 @ 2:06 pmWell might it not be better for Trump World to start truthfully responding to polls – the schadenfraude of another win-actually-loss might come too close for personal comfort, even if armed to the teeth. And PDJT might finally STHU with regard to Fox and its “bad” polls. If it’s a landslide may as well make it known early.
urbanleftbehind (c55144) — 8/10/2020 @ 2:10 pm#362. The visual. Ugh.
Appalled (1a17de) — 8/10/2020 @ 2:12 pmEarlier this week, CNN host Don Lemon wondered if there is a “supernatural” explanation for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370’s disappearance. “People are saying to me, why aren’t you talking about the possibility — and I’m just putting it out there — that something odd happened to this plane, something beyond our understanding?” he said. Unfortunately for everyone, Lemon decided to examine some specific “odd” theories on the air on Wednesday night.
“What if it was something fully that we don’t really understand? A lot of people have been asking about that, about black holes and on, and on, and on, and all of these conspiracy theories,” he explained, before displaying tweets from his most useless viewers: “What else you can think? Black hole? Bermuda triangle?” read one. Another said, “Huh, just like the movie Lost.” Huh, indeed.
Without even bothering to point out that Lost was a television show (or, of course, that whatever happened to Flight 370 wasn’t intended as kitschy entertainment), Lemon informed his guests that some Twitter user had also referenced The Twilight Zone, “which is a very similar plot.” “That’s what people are saying,” he continued. “I know it’s preposterous — but is it preposterous, you think, Mary?”
Thankfully, former U.S. Department of Transportation inspector general Mary Schiavo politely shut Lemon and his Twitter followers down. “Well, it is. A small black hole would suck in our entire universe so we know it’s not that. The Bermuda Triangle is often weather. And Lost is a TV show. So I think — I always like things for which there’s data history, crunch the numbers. So for me those aren’t there,” she said. But, she added, “I think it’s wonderful that the whole world is trying to help with their theories.” After all, someone has to come up with stuff for CNN to broadcast.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/03/cnn-wonders-if-flight-370-went-into-black-hole.html
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 2:23 pmNot as wildly as TrumpWorld likes to claim.
In Wisconsin, there was a poll a month before election day showing a huge Clinton lead. But the average last two (2-way) polls right before the election showed Clinton by 4.5% with a margin of 2.8%. Off, but not wildly off. The 3-way and 4-way race polls were closer.
In PA, similar story. The last two head-to-head polls averaged a 5% lead for Clinton, with a 3% combined margin of error. The last 3-way poll, with a very small 1.8% margin, showed Clinton up by only 1. Trump was ahead by one in one of the last 4-way polls, and down by 6 in the other, so an average of +2.5% for Clinton with a combined margin of 2%.
In Michigan, the last poll before the election (4-way) had Trump up by 2. The 2-way and 3-way polls had Clinton up by about 5, with a 2.5% margin of error.
Source
Sean Trende from RealClearPolitics summed it up:
It Wasn’t the Polls that Missed it Was the Pundits
The post-mortems suggested that whites without college degrees were undersampled, so now the pollsters try to correct for that.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 2:33 pmCNN’s Don Lemon was memorably mocked back in March for throwing it out there on live national television that maybe missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 was swallowed up by a black hole. CNN Worldwide president Jeff Zucker thought it was stupid, too.
A New York magazine profile on Zucker examines his approach to saturating CNN viewers with wall-to-wall coverage of sensational events and how Lemon’s maybe got too caught up in this case:
The strategy was most vividly on display during CNN’s breathless—and seemingly endless — coverage of the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370, lowlighted by anchor Don Lemon speculating on camera that the missing plane might have flown into a black hole. (Zucker was frustrated by the gaffe: “Don, don’t be an idiot.”)
Around the same time of the black hole theory, Lemon had also mused allowed whether the “supernatural” might explain the missing plane.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-head-thought-don-lemon-was-being-an-idiot-with-mh370-black-hole-question/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 2:33 pmThank you for posting even more evidence disproving your false claim, Haiku!
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 2:34 pmDave… don’t be an idiot.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 2:35 pmIt appears you are uninformed. Get engaged.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 2:37 pmcontention:
an assertion, especially one maintained in argument.
assertion:
A confident and forceful statement of fact or belief.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 2:40 pmhttps://www.bustle.com/articles/55708-cnns-don-lemon-named-worst-of-2014-by-columbia-journalism-review
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 2:40 pmPOTUS interrupted in news conference and whisked out.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 2:56 pmYou calling Dave an idiot is as reasonable as you trying to humiliate me on grounds of musical taste. LOL.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 3:06 pmDid one reporter tell another to get their hand out of their pocket?
urbanleftbehind (c55144) — 8/10/2020 @ 3:21 pmHumiliate you? I was teasing you. As far as music goes, to each his or her own.
I’m an admitted recent convert to teh Grateful Dead… I have no room to speak of musical taste.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 3:24 pmNo, ulb. Looking at that crowd it would’ve been more a case of reporter#1 asking reporter#2 to get their hand out of reporter#1’s pocket.
The secret service shot someone just outside of the White House grounds. The WH press got a little excited by the possibilities, only to have their dreams dashed.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 3:30 pm#376 — I agree that Deadheads have no room to speak of musical taste — and certainly not to a fan of Monteverdi and Bruckner and Nielsen and Janacek and Durufle. I don’t much like Mozart, though, and I utterly reject the notion that it’s a deficiency on my part.
But it’s hard to see anything other than a putdown in the snide reference to my “poor man’s” taste and the chortling about Rick Astley. Ridicule me all you want, but when you ridicule Gary Barlow, you’ve gone too far.
I’m a somewhat recent fan of Take That. I think they’ve written a lot of good songs and they put on fantastic shows. You’ve gotta respect a group of singers who learned to ride unicycles for a stadium tour.
I also love a-Ha. And bagpipe bands. So let the teasing recommence.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 3:57 pmI’ve read the singer from aHa underwent chemical castration to extend his upper range… any knowledge of that?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 4:03 pmDave reminds me of the feral caltech student in real genius.
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/10/2020 @ 4:12 pmIve become more of a jim morrison and the clash read that what you will
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/10/2020 @ 4:14 pmNot morrisey yet
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/10/with-joe-biden-ready-to-pick-a-female-running-mate-obama-alumni-are-feeling-a-sense-of-sympathy-over-how-sarah-palin-was-treated/
Narciso (7404b5) — 8/10/2020 @ 4:21 pmYou’ll like this one by the Grateful Dead, Radegunda.
And here’s the version Leviticus likes, by the Reverend Gary Davis playing Leadbelly style.
nk (1d9030) — 8/10/2020 @ 4:24 pm#379 — Morten Harket? Are you freaking kidding me?
He just has a good falsetto, which melds easily with his chest voice. And the ability to hold a note for 20 seconds. (Or, he could.)
Gary B. has a pretty good falsetto too.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 4:27 pm#383 — Thanks. I’ll give it a listen after my errands. I do like to expand my listening catalogue.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 4:29 pmBen Sasse massages Trump’s bruised ego.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 4:55 pmIn a previous life, a very long time ago, I used to be a bit of a “Deadhead,” hitting as many concerts as I could. These days, I’m all over Lakme, especially the enchanting Flower Duet. Music is just a never-ending smorgasbord of delicacies, and while we expand our musical horizons, it’s fun to circle back to the beginning too.
Dana (292df6) — 8/10/2020 @ 5:21 pmHaiku,
One reason I’m defensive about Barlow is that he was brutally treated for years by the British press and Robbie Williams and the music industry and a sector of the public after his strong vocals and songwriting had led a manufactured boyband (before the concept was invented) to so much popularity that the government set up crisis hotlines for distraught teenage girls when they disbanded.
I do think he generally wrote better songs for the group than he did for himself alone in the 1990s. And he later admitted that he needed some humbling. But the cruelty was excessive. So when Take That (minus Robbie) revived almost by accident ten years after breaking up, in a vastly better form (much of their 1990s stage act was in dubious taste), it’s thrilling to watch even in retrospect. The story is told in When Corden Met Barlow, and it’s very interesting.
Gary has done quite well since then, but of course he’s still got detractors for one reason or another – e.g. “he’s no George Michael.” Well, no, he’s different. But for whatever reason, his and the band’s music makes me happier.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 5:27 pmAnd here’s one for Gryph by the Russian Philharmonic. If he’s still in a mood to come and tell us that he won’t wear a mask, his troubles can’t be all that bad.
nk (1d9030) — 8/10/2020 @ 5:31 pmDana,
Sorry for the unnecessary slam at Deadheads.
I love that duet too, and the famous duet from The Pearl Fishers, and the Song to the Moon from Rusalka. Opera isn’t my favorite genre, but I’ve gone to a bunch of operas over the past decade because the theatrical part makes it worth the effort & expensive of going.
I took a bit of a break from the highbrow stuff and listened to a lot of pop (mostly TT, and a-Ha), partly because it’s doesn’t require a lot of mental investment and it isn’t so emotionally draining as, say, Shostakovitch.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 5:54 pmSome years ago I did a little dip into Fleetwood Mac and was surprised at how much I liked it. But I do prefer musicians who aren’t drugged up when they perform.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 5:56 pmLegendary artists I could never get into:
Grateful Dead
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 6:02 pmLed Zeppelin
Bruce Springsteen
Oh, no need to apologize, Radegunda. I’m amused my Deadhead years myself, as long as I don’t look at the accompanying landmines of youth that I did not manage to avoid during that season.
In general terms, opera draws me because: I’m a sucker for passionate stories of unrequited love, find powerfully and exquisitely expressed emotion intoxicating, and am generally overwhelmed by the music itself.
P.S. This all seems funny because at this very minute, I’m listening to Bob Dylan’s “False Prophet” on his recently released Rough and Rowdy Ways. Sublime.
Dana (292df6) — 8/10/2020 @ 6:04 pm388… I’ll have to check this Barlow fellow out.
I joke around a lot, but I will try to be much more patient and open minded… which is tough at my age😊
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 6:13 pm#392 — For me it’ a point of pride that I never greatly liked artists or groups that are very popular.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 6:17 pmIf I do happen to like an artist that’s popular, then it’s popular because it’s good.
The ones I don’t like are popular because most people have inferior taste.
QED
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Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 6:30 pmThis is part of his solo tour from 2018. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI2kTjozeBc&t=1469s
But I think he’s generally better in the group. They did a great show with a circus theme in 2009, filmed at Wembley Stadium, available here (very possibly in violation of copyright).
I wasn’t captivated by the first three songs (though 1 & 3 are popular with fans), but they get better, and then the theater gets bigger, and if you’re not feeling happier after “Shine,” I’m sorry for you.
Their 2015 tour was over-the-top theater, and wonderful. I bought the DVD of that. Oh, and thanks for the Affirmation (Howard singing).
Barlow has an outstanding voice. The music is not my cup of tea, but he has undeniable talent.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 6:46 pmMy taste in music admittedly skews to the years 1966-1984, with a few exceptions, so there’s that.
Great soul/pop/rock male vocalists… few and far between, but there may be some more current ones that I haven’t heard/heard of.
From my fave era: Al Green, David Ruffin, Lowell George, Paul Rodgers, Steve Winwood, Frankie Miller…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 6:58 pmHeh.
I’ve always been a big fan of Dylan’s 60’s/70’s stuff. I was reading that in the late 90’s he started putting out new albums that were widely acclaimed, so I bought all five of them. Listened to the first three in chronological order and thought they were great, but I haven’t gotten to that one yet.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 7:12 pmTIL If you are running a dual control window air-conditioner, and you have a power failure because a tornado tore off the power line behind your house, it may not be enough for the power to come back on, or to even turn it off and back on again, for the compressor to restart. You may need to turn the coldness control all the way to off and then back on again for the compressor relay to kick in.
nk (1d9030) — 8/10/2020 @ 7:19 pmCNN is calling it a “Derecho”, which I had never heard of before today.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 7:31 pmhttps://vuuzletv.com/biden-to-pick-black-vp/
A group of “over 100 Black male leaders” – including rapper Diddy, TV personality Charlamagne Tha God, attorneys Ben Crump and Bakari Sellers and commentator Van Jones – penned a letter demanding he pick a black woman as his running mate.
The letter asserts that the urgency for Biden to pick a black woman has “gone from something that SHOULD happen to something that HAS to happen.”
“For too long, Black women have been asked to do everything from rally the troops to risk their lives for the Democratic Party with no acknowledgement, no respect, no visibility and certainly not enough support,” it continues.
The signers also declare their solidarity with a group of over 700 Black women who penned an open letter on Friday decrying “relentless attacks” on Black women being vetted for VP and stating “the time for Black women in the United States is now.”
“Failing to select a Black woman in 2020 means you will lose the election,” the Black males’ letter claims.
The signers conclude, “We don’t want to choose between the lesser of two evils and we don’t want to vote for the devil we know versus the devil we don’t because we are tired of voting for devils–period.”
Demanding?!? Like demanding reparations?!?
Shorter: Uppity.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/10/2020 @ 7:37 pm400… don’t forget teh rackaframus. Clean the contacts and you shouldn’t be good to go…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 7:38 pmCNN is calling it a “Derecho”, which I had never heard of before today.
Yes, you have, many times, but they called it “wind storms”. They make this stuff up, to make the weather reports more dramatic or whatever. “Bomb cyclone” is another “rich Corinthian leather” in the abuse of language.
nk (1d9030) — 8/10/2020 @ 7:43 pmDerecho means right in Spanish.
nk (1d9030) — 8/10/2020 @ 7:45 pmBut this is a Derecho!
It even has a Wikipedia page!
Dave (1bb933) — 8/10/2020 @ 7:48 pmJoe might have one stream of consciousness rant left in him…will name Whitmer or another white proven winner of a Rust Belt state (few that their are, Sherrod Brown, Bob Casey, Debbie Stabenow, the Tammys) then he’ll mysteriously croak.
urbanleftbehind (784800) — 8/10/2020 @ 7:53 pm#397
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 8/10/2020 @ 8:48 pmSome of his down-tempo towns are better.
Lie to Me leans a little more in the bluesy direction. And the ballad medley has lot of fans. The ballads are really more his specialty. I also love “6th Avenue.”
407… C’MON, man!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/10/2020 @ 9:08 pmIt’s as simple as black or white: indecision reveals wobbly grey matter and a blatant character tell, Plagiarist JoeyBee.
Henry Ford made it easy: his Model T was only available in black.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/11/2020 @ 11:23 am