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7/30/2020

Trump: “With Universal Mail-In Voting, 2020 Will Be Most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in History”

Filed under: General — Dana @ 7:11 am



[guest post by Dana]

Going all in, I see:

Interestingly, the President’s tweets came right after the latest numbers were reported:

The U.S. economy shrank by a shocking 32.9 percent annual rate in the second quarter—the biggest decrease since record-keeping began. Bloomberg News reports economists had predicted a 34.5 percent slump ahead of Thursday morning’s announcement from the Commerce Department. It’s said to be the biggest hit to the U.S. economy since quarterly records starting being routinely estimated back in 1947. The plummet was the result of dozens of U.S. states going into lockdown as the coronavirus pandemic fanned out across the country; economists have said they expect growth to return for the third quarter, which began at the beginning of July.

New jobless claim figures out Thursday also painted a bleak picture of the U.S. economy, with initial applications last week rising to 1.43 million. The Wall Street Journal reported the new filings appear to show the surge in new infections is slowing the recovery in several states.

The presidential election is now 96 days away.

Psst, President Trump:

3 U.S. Code § 1. Time of appointing electors. The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.

–Dana

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: As usual, the biggest danger is posed not by the President alone, but by the President if/when supported by a sizable group of committed supporters. If Trump loses, he won’t accept it as the result of a fair election. He’s Trump. He always wins unless he is mistreated in a very very unfair way, maybe the most unfair way anyone has ever heard of.

But “removing him” from office is a simple matter of sending in people with guns to politely escort him out. And he knows that. So he won’t refuse to leave.

Unless…

Unless he whips up a sizable part of the country into believing that the election has been stolen. If that happens, his ability to wreak havoc increases. Just as his ability to wreak havoc in office has always depended on the support of those same people.

And the closer the election is, the better the chance that he can convince people it was stolen.

Hugh Hewitt once wrote a book titled “If It’s Not Close, They Can’t Cheat.” It’s also true that if it’s not close, it’s harder to say the winner cheated.

This is why it’s particularly important to beat Trump badly. Since we know he will claim he was the victim of cheating, the margin has to be decisive, to prevent a sizable majority of the country from believing his claims and rising up with violence to support his claim.

190 Responses to “Trump: “With Universal Mail-In Voting, 2020 Will Be Most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in History””

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (292df6)

  2. Trump is completely correct, and the last thing we need is an election being strung out for a month while the democrats try to “find” enough ballots to steal the election. You can bet if we go for mail in ballots, it’ll make 2000 Florida look like a Bishops convention at Christmas.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  3. In almost every close election in a blue/purple state, the D’s always end up finding lost ballots days or weeks after the election. They find in back rooms, trunks of cars, buried on islands with lost pirate treasure, up in balloons, they find them in most curious places. make no mistake, if they can do It, they will steal the election from Trump.

    And the Never trumpers – with their grand principles – will A-OK with it.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  4. Mass mail-in guarantees the least legitimate results in American history.

    However, unless things turn around significantly, it won’t matter for DJT. See ya. However, the Senate majority could be determined through fraudulent means. Not a small thing, imo.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  5. fox news: Bill Barr testified under oath that he as no reason to think that the 2020 election will be rigged by mail in voter

    Responding to a line of questioning from Rep. Cedric Richmond, D-La., Tuesday as he testified in front of the House Judiciary Committee, Barr contradicted the president by saying “I have no reason to think” the 2020 election will be “rigged.”

    He also testified that Russia interfered in the 2016 election and we should assume they’re trying to interfere in the 2020 election.

    I know some people are legitimately concerned about voter fraud and election integrity as an end in themselves. I don’t think Trump (or many of his supporters) care about it beyond what impact they think it will have on his re-election without any regard for if the ballots are fraudulent or not.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  6. rcocean-
    Under what law or constitutional provision can the election be delayed? Further it would be impossible for a foreign government to commit mail-in ballot fraud. They would need to mimic everything perfectly from the ballot’s size, style and even the weight of the paper to the envelope it’s mailed in — all of which differs from county to county, and be able to forge the signatures of millions of voters. Trump is insane.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  7. Bloomberg News reports economists had predicted a 34.5 percent slump ahead of Thursday morning’s announcement from the Commerce Department.

    Seems as though Bloomberg is playing a math game.

    GDP Down 9.5%

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/07/30/business/stock-market-today-coronavirus

    Why?

    BuDuh (96c2ba)

  8. Voting security is a legitimate issue but the timing and manner of Trump’s comments on it undermines our ability to treat it seriously.

    When every Trump response is FAKE!!, UNFAIR!!, and INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT!! then he takes a serious issue and makes it a partisan issue designed to help him.

    DRJ (aede82)

  9. rcocean-
    Under what law or constitutional provision can the election be delayed? Further it would be impossible for a foreign government to commit mail-in ballot fraud. They would need to mimic everything perfectly from the ballot’s size, style and even the weight of the paper to the envelope it’s mailed in — all of which differs from county to county, and be able to forge the signatures of millions of voters. Trump is insane.

    Rip Murdock (361788) — 7/30/2020 @ 7:34 am

    That last case of voter fraud with any meaningful impact that I remember reading about involved vote harvesting.
    The initial tip off was that the voting pattern was so different from other areas. From there they were able to pretty easily find evidence of illegal acts by the participants. If I get time I’ll see if I can find the link.

    Point being that it’s easy to leave a mark if you try to stuff the ballot box and those things get attention.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  10. R.I.P. Herman Cain

    19. 19. 19.

    The Covid took him.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  11. If it were any other Republican president, the leveraging of the DontCallItWuhanVirus to justify every possible lib wet dream would get called out on a “conservative” blog.

    beer ‘n pretzels (c63793)

  12. Wow. What a shame. Bless him and his family.

    DRJ (aede82)

  13. Bloomberg News reports economists had predicted a 34.5 percent slump ahead of Thursday morning’s announcement from the Commerce Department.

    Seems as though Bloomberg is playing a math game.

    GDP Down 9.5%

    34.5% is annualized.

    9.5% is how much the economy contracted last quarter in absolute terms.

    Dave (1bb933)

  14. I live in Oregon. Mail-in ballots=no problem.

    Fred (02ecbd)

  15. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html

    Now I’ll wait for others to cite left wing media on why this isn’t a problem. The left already has the dead’s vote locked in, we don’t need to give them our neighbor’s who never votes too.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  16. Normally, when GDP growth is reported, it is the annualized rate.

    Dave (1bb933)

  17. Is “annualized” the normal way of discussing a quarter?

    I would think there would be universal agreement that Bloomberg, and those who ran that number today, were doing it strictly to stoke fear.

    BuDuh (96c2ba)

  18. One, Trump refuses to stop lying about mail-in ballots. He has no evidence to back up his claims.
    Two, thankfully, it would take an act of Congress to change election day.

    Paul Montagu (dead92)

  19. Now I’ll wait for others to cite left wing media on why this isn’t a problem.

    Why is it a problem that an obvious attempt at vote fraud was thwarted by the authorities?

    If they *hadn’t* caught it, you would also be up in arms…

    Dave (1bb933)

  20. You answered before I asked, Dave. :-)

    I have never seen quarterly GDP numbers presented this way.

    BuDuh (96c2ba)

  21. Is there a difference in the way that mail-in ballots are tabulated when compared to the way that absentee ballots are tabulated?

    John B Boddie (f44786)

  22. Is “annualized” the normal way of discussing a quarter?

    Yes.

    When there’s a report that the economy grew at a 4% rate in some quarter, it really means the economy grew by about 1%, and that if the same rate continued, it would result in 4% growth for the year.

    Dave (1bb933)

  23. I live in Oregon. Mail-in ballots=no problem.

    Oregon. LOL. Apparently, libs always winning=no problem, too.

    Someone must be doing your grocery shopping for you, or is this virus so sophisticated that it knows when people are voting and kicks into extra contagious mode?

    beer ‘n pretzels (477d53)

  24. Is “annualized” the normal way of discussing a quarter?

    The Dallas Fed says Yes and explains why:

    Annualizing Data Facilitates Comparison of Growth Rates of Various Time Periods

    Suppose Texas employment grew 0.92 percent in the first five months of a particular year. Then in June and July, employment advanced 0.15 percent and 0.22 percent, respectively. Would employment growth in June and July be above or below the pace set in the first five months of the year?

    While this simple problem could probably be tackled in a few different ways, the most common one is a process called data annualization. In this method, growth rates are adjusted to reflect the amount a variable would have changed over a year’s time, had it continued to grow at the given rate. The result is a percent change that is easily comparable to other annualized data.

    DRJ (aede82)

  25. Remember when Trump was trying to lower expectations in 2016 and was complaining about voter intimidation at polling booths?

    It’s *almost* like he’s not a champion of voting integrity as much as driven by fear about a negative result.

    PS, R.I.P. Herman Cain. It didn’t have to go like that.

    TR (870306)

  26. That is exactly how Bloomberg reported 2nd quarter predictions in 2019, Dave.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-25/u-s-economic-growth-seen-stumbling-as-trade-weighs-on-business

    Indeed they discuss the annual GDP, but they stick to the specifics of the quarter.

    Thanks for your input. I understand what you are saying. I am of the opinion that the current article was written in such a way that a first glance by most will cause them to believe that the quarter numbers are much higher than they really are.

    BuDuh (96c2ba)

  27. Ha, ha, ha! Delay the election? For a piece of garbage like you, orange thing? Ha, ha, ha! Keep dreaming, Putin puppet!

    nk (1d9030)

  28. it’s funny how some conservatives whine about “discovered” ballots when in each case, the issue is examined in courts of law and judges find that, yes, those are legitimate ballots. I mean if there were a serious claim that the ballots were invented or faked there might be some evidence but it’s just the fact that they are found after the official election date. Most of the actual cases of proved election fraud recently have been by Republicans anyway.

    And this worry about not knowing the result on the evening of Nov. 3? Well grow up. That’s what happens when you have 51 systems doing different things and all of them, all, having to rely more on mail in ballots because of a pandemic. It’s not going to kill the country if the result is not clear for a week. Somehow Bush managed to start a war even though he wasn’t elected by the Supreme Court until December.

    Of course, in this case Trump will be president during the uncertainty, so it is a sheer certainty that he will be tweeting nonstop attempting to push claims of fraud and faking and conspiracies . And people like Ocean will be repeating them. So the question is whether, finally, the country will have reached the point that they can stop listening to him bleating.

    Victor (a225f9)

  29. Sorry. “That isn’t how Bloomberg…”

    BuDuh (96c2ba)

  30. I live in Oregon. Mail-in ballots=no problem.

    Same here in WA State.

    President Donald Trump has cried “Vote Fraud!” in vote-by-mail elections, but Washington’s Republican Secretary of State released figures Monday on the 2018 election. Just 142 cases of improper voting out of 3.1 million ballots were referred to county sheriffs and prosecutors for legal action.
    That’s 0.004% of what was an energized electorate.

    Trump is engaging in baseless fear-mongering. To paraphrase a president whom our current president doesn’t like, all Trump has to sell is fear itself. What I do predict for 2020 is a lot of incompetence (because we’re becoming a nation of incompetents), but the barest fraction of illegal activity.

    Paul Montagu (dead92)

  31. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB110549299604823602

    Victor, you’re from Washington. You should know all about stolen elections.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  32. But if you’re concerned about election interference, here’s where the real danger resides.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-plans-global-order

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  33. Voting security is a legitimate issue but the timing and manner of Trump’s comments on it undermines our ability to treat it seriously.

    When every Trump response is FAKE!!, UNFAIR!!, and INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT!! then he takes a serious issue and makes it a partisan issue designed to help him.

    DRJ (aede82) — 7/30/2020 @ 7:53 am

    He is definitely discrediting people who are legitimately concerned about fraud.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  34. Trump is engaging in baseless fear-mongering.

    Sing it: “Nixon Now! Nixon Now!” …

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. Herman Cain, former Republican presidential hopeful, has died of the coronavirus, statement on his website says

    Rip Murdock (361788) — 7/30/2020 @ 8:05 am

    I’m sorry to hear this. He did a lot of good work as a surgeon. I hope everyone takes the time to focus on his many unquestionable contributions to this world. For his family if for no other reason.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  36. That is exactly how Bloomberg reported 2nd quarter predictions in 2019, Dave.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-25/u-s-economic-growth-seen-stumbling-as-trade-weighs-on-business

    Indeed they discuss the annual GDP, but they stick to the specifics of the quarter.

    The numbers cited at the top of that article (1.8% and 3.1%) are annualized.

    https://www.bea.gov/news/2019/gross-domestic-product-2nd-quarter-2019-second-estimate-corporate-profits-2nd-quarter

    Real gross domestic product (GDP) increased at an annual rate of 2.0 percent in the second quarter of 2019 (table 1), according to the “second” estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the first quarter, real GDP increased 3.1 percent.

    Dave (1bb933)

  37. NBC News
    @NBCNews
    BREAKING: US GDP falls by a record 32.9% in 2nd quarter, and more than 1.43M people filed for unemployment benefits for the 1st time last week, rising for a 2nd week.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1288817049893056513

    Is that an accurate way of representing the GDP numbers? Is NBC correct to say that the GDP fell “by a record 32.9% in the 2nd quarter?”

    This is what I am talking about. It fell by 9.5% in the 2nd quarter.

    Is there any room to agree that this is a misleading headline?

    BuDuh (96c2ba)

  38. NBC News
    @NBCNews
    BREAKING: US GDP falls by a record 32.9% in 2nd quarter, and more than 1.43M people filed for unemployment benefits for the 1st time last week, rising for a 2nd week.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1288817049893056513

    Is that an accurate way of representing the GDP numbers? Is NBC correct to say that the GDP fell “by a record 32.9% in the 2nd quarter?”

    This is what I am talking about. It fell by 9.5% in the 2nd quarter.

    Is there any room to agree that this is a misleading headline?

    [fixed my bolding error]

    BuDuh (96c2ba)

  39. He did a lot of good work as a surgeon.

    Herman Cain was a computer systems analyst and businessman, not a surgeon.

    Sorry for his passing (I supported and donated to him when he was running for president), although he tarnished his reputation in recent years by shilling for Donald Trump.

    Dave (1bb933)

  40. @36-
    He did a lot of good work as a surgeon.

    Cain was a businessman who headed Burger King and Godfather’s Pizza, and served as chair of the Kansas City Fed and the National Restaurant Association. You’re thinking of Ben Carson.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  41. Of course if the concern is about the postal service doing a good job of delivering ballots perhaps this is not the best time to kneecap the postal service. But hey, guess what Trump and his toadies are doing right now?

    Victor (a225f9)

  42. NYT has it at 9.5%

    Time123 (53ef45)

  43. @36-
    He did a lot of good work as a surgeon.

    Cain was a businessman who headed Burger King and Godfather’s Pizza, and served as chair of the Kansas City Fed and the National Restaurant Association. You’re thinking of Ben Carson.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/30/2020 @ 8:41 am

    You’re right I am. That’s really embarrassing.

    Still think people should only say nice things about him for the next week+

    Time123 (53ef45)

  44. Herman Cain was a computer systems analyst and businessman, not a surgeon.

    Sorry for his passing (I supported and donated to him when he was running for president), although he tarnished his reputation in recent years by shilling for Donald Trump.

    Dave (1bb933) — 7/30/2020 @ 8:40 am

    Lead by example Dave. Only nice things about the recently departed.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  45. This is what I am talking about. It fell by 9.5% in the 2nd quarter.

    Is there any room to agree that this is a misleading headline?

    Yes, it is misleading, although it was also misleading to say (as the Bloomberg article you linked did) that GDP grew at 3.1% and 1.8% (respectively) in Q1 and Q2 of 2019, when the number you insist is correct would be only about a quarter of those.

    GDP growth is always reported as an annualized rate, although instead of saying (correctly) “the economy grew at an X% rate” people say (incorrectly) “the economy grew by X%”.

    Dave (1bb933)

  46. Dave, it appears that it’s not consistently reported. The NYT reported it at 9.5%

    Time123 (b87ded)

  47. Of course if the concern is about the postal service doing a good job of delivering ballots perhaps this is not the best time to kneecap the postal service. But hey, guess what Trump and his toadies are doing right now?

    Do you think more money will fix this:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UEPjWTglBqY

    BuDuh (96c2ba)

  48. @9-
    That last case of voter fraud with any meaningful impact that I remember reading about involved vote harvesting.

    The initial tip off was that the voting pattern was so different from other areas. From there they were able to pretty easily find evidence of illegal acts by the participants.

    It was by Republicans in North Carolina, where vote harvesting is illegal. However, it is legal in several states.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  49. Thanks, Dave.

    BuDuh (96c2ba)

  50. Victor, you’re from Washington. You should know all about stolen elections.

    Me, too. The Rossi-Gregoire contest was a close election–like Bush v. Gore in Florida close–not a stolen one. The subsequent court cases and recounts and such confirmed it.
    I would also note that WA State didn’t have 100% mail-in voting in 2004; a majority to most of the voters went to polling places and used paper ballots at that time. We didn’t start mail-in only until 2011.

    Paul Montagu (dead92)

  51. UPDATE BY PATTERICO: As usual, the biggest danger is posed not by the President alone, but by the President if/when supported by a sizable group of committed supporters. If Trump loses, he won’t accept it as the result of a fair election. He’s Trump. He always wins unless he is mistreated in a very very unfair way, maybe the most unfair way anyone has ever heard of.

    But “removing him” from office is a simple matter of sending in people with guns to politely escort him out. And he knows that. So he won’t refuse to leave.

    Unless…

    Unless he whips up a sizable part of the country into believing that the election has been stolen. If that happens, his ability to wreak havoc increases. Just as his ability to wreak havoc in office has always depended on the support of those same people.

    And the closer the election is, the better the chance that he can convince people it was stolen.

    Hugh Hewitt once wrote a book titled “If It’s Not Close, They Can’t Cheat.” It’s also true that if it’s not close, it’s harder to say the winner cheated.

    This is why it’s particularly important to beat Trump badly. Since we know he will claim he was the victim of cheating, the margin has to be decisive, to prevent a sizable majority of the country from believing his claims and rising up with violence to support his claim.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  52. Lead by example Dave. Only nice things about the recently departed.

    “The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones.”

    I’m sorry he passed away, especially under these circumstances.

    But he did what he did.

    Dave (1bb933)

  53. Still think people should only say nice things about him for the next week.

    Silence.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  54. Most men do both. But it costs little to ignore bad and celebrate the good for a week while his family grieves.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  55. @52, This is a very good point.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  56. What can be said of this twerp president that hasn’t already been said? This is legitimately destabilizing our country. If Trump were acting on behalf of a foreign adversary, this would make more sense.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  57. I have to say one of the best eulogies of a political figure I have seen was Sen. Bob Dole’s eulogy of Richard Nixon. It was tearful and heartfelt, and if Dole had displayed more emotion during his presidential campaign he would have come off as a more sympathetic figure.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  58. If Trump loses, he won’t accept it as the result of a fair election.

    Yeah, good thing everyone accepted the results of the last election so he has a great example to follow. LOL

    beer ‘n pretzels (5b11f9)

  59. The NYT reported it at 9.5%

    Well, normally the absolute change in the GDP in any given quarter is virtually negligible.

    4% annualized growth, which is very strong performance, means about 1% change in a quarter, which doesn’t sound so impressive.

    Also, it is (god willing) impossible that the growth rate for the whole year will be close to -34%, so it’s reasonable – when the annualized rate for a single quarter is so atypical – to talk about the absolute change.

    But nevertheless, the annualized rate is normally what is reported and talked about (sometimes in imprecise terms).

    Dave (1bb933)

  60. CBS News is reporting that McConnells just made a statement that “the election date is set in stone.” Also, he cited past crises taking place during an election. I hope he informs Trump.

    Dana (ba039d)

  61. The Rossi-Gregoire contest was a close election–like Bush v. Gore in Florida close–not a stolen one. The subsequent court cases and recounts and such confirmed it.

    Gregoire same something at the time that really struck me. At a rally after the first recount, when Rossi was still ahead but by a smaller margin, she said “We can make up that difference!”

    There’s certainly a chance I misremember her words, but it was such a startling comment that I kept turning it over in my head, and then calling it up again from time to time.

    One might reply “Of course she didn’t mean they would ‘make up’ ballots.” But at the very least, she seemed to assume that one more recount would move the tally further in her direction, not Rossi’s. On what basis might she have had that belief?

    Her phrasing seemed to betray a view of recounts not as a way to get a more accurate count, but to make things go her way.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  62. DCSCA @11-
    It was 9-9-9.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  63. Yet another Trump own-goal.

    Any politician who was truly trying to get re-elected would tell his supporters to apply for absentee ballots now, fill them out and mail them in as soon as possible. But not Trump. He’s telling his voters that mail-in ballots are the tools of Satan. I don’t know if there is a term for the opposite of “get out the vote” but this is it.

    And so Trump supporters will have to get up on election day and plod down to the voting booth — which there will be far fewer of — and vote.

    Assuming they remember and can stop drinking long enough.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  64. https://www.dailywire.com/news/cbs-mail-in-voting-experiment-shows-potentially-serious-issue

    Only 3%. That couldn’t possibly make a difference. And that’s by accident.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  65. Yeah, good thing everyone accepted the results of the last election so he has a great example to follow.

    He has a point. The Democrats have never accepted Trump’s election and have #resisted his legal authority at every turn, helped by partisan jurists.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  66. If you are going to distract from disastrous economic news, wouldn’t you use a more benign distraction than that? Even Republican Senators are nauseated by this.

    noel (4d3313)

  67. He has a point. The Democrats have never accepted Trump’s election and have #resisted his legal authority at every turn, helped by partisan jurists.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/30/2020 @ 9:10 am

    You’re right. Of course there is no Trump presidency without the birther movement.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  68. He has a point. The Democrats have never accepted Trump’s election and have #resisted his legal authority at every turn, helped by partisan jurists.

    As the GOP did with Obama.

    While many may feel Trump’s election is tainted by Russian interference and his subsequent cover-up thereof, they have not denied that, by law, he holds the power of the presidential office.

    Dave (1bb933)

  69. Dear Mr President,

    They have it rigged against you. Withdraw your name and let someone else take the fall. We don’t deserve you anyway.

    — An adoring fan

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  70. As the GOP did with Obama.

    The GOP did it with legal political means, such as votes in Congress. They did NOT do it with the media at every level or crazy Hawaiian judges.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  71. “The GOP did it with legal political means, such as votes in Congress. They did NOT do it with the media at every level or crazy Hawaiian judges.”

    Birtherism.

    Davethulhu (eadaad)

  72. Hugh Hewitt?? LOL Nixon apologist.

    ‘In 2019, Hewitt returned to the Nixon Library as president and CEO of the Richard Nixon Foundation, the nonprofit that co-operates the Nixon Library with the National Archives and Records Administration. On his first day in the job, Hewitt announced that he would split his time between Orange County and Washington, D.C. and open a Nixon Foundation office in Washington.’ -source, wikiNixonlackey

    Guess who is an admirer of Richard Nixon and is modelling much of his re-election campaign after same…

    President Donald J. Trump.

    In 1972, Nixon won in a landslide.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. Trump’s attacks on mail voting are turning Republicans off absentee ballots

    President Trump’s relentless attacks on the security of mail voting are driving suspicion among GOP voters toward absentee ballots — a dynamic alarming Republican strategists, who say it could undercut their own candidates, including Trump himself.
    ……
    “It does reduce the likelihood of Republicans embracing this process,” said a senior GOP strategist. “Especially for older, more rural voters, that could be important for Republicans getting out the vote in 2020. I don’t want ‘I will not vote by mail’ to become a political statement. But it may be too late.”
    …..
    “What the president is talking about is efforts on the Democrats’ part to weaken the integrity of our elections,” Murtaugh said.

    However, in 29 states — including Florida, where Trump himself voted by mail this year — there is no such distinction. Any voter is allowed to cast a ballot by mail.
    …..
    In Virginia, 118,000 voters applied for absentee ballots for Democratic primaries June 23, while only 59,000 voters did so for the Republican primary — even though Republicans voted in a statewide Senate primary contest, while Sen. Mark R. Warner (D-Va.) was unopposed for his nomination.

    Mail voting also soared in Kentucky’s June 23 primary; only about 10 percent of Democratic votes were cast on the day of the election, while 20 percent of GOP votes were.

    Similarly, in Georgia’s June 9 primaries, about 600,000 voters cast mail ballots in Democratic primaries, while about 524,000 did so in Republican contests, according to the Georgia secretary of state’s office.

    “It’s a legitimate question whether or not the president’s rhetoric changes voter behavior on the Republican side,” said Josh Holmes, a longtime adviser to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). “I think there’s some evidence to suggest that it has.”
    ……
    ……Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) posted a simple message for her Facebook followers, exhorting them to vote in the next day’s primary and offering a link with “information on how to return your absentee ballot,” a process Iowa made easier to reduce the risks of coronavirus infection.

    Not everyone welcomed the suggestion. “I will be voting, in person, for you,” wrote one supporter. “Senator, I can’t believe you’d support absentee ballots,” wrote another. “We need in-person voting with ID or no voting at all.”
    ……

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  74. In 1972, Nixon won in a landslide.

    Against “amnesty, acid, and abortion” George McGovern. I doubt that will work for Trump. Today is a galaxy away from 1972.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  75. As the GOP did with Obama.

    Yeah, it was a mistake to surveil Obama’s campaign.

    beer ‘n pretzels (368b0a)

  76. Birtherism

    The name of the SC who investigated birthergate escapes me. Davethulhu, help me out.

    beer ‘n pretzels (368b0a)

  77. “The name of the SC who investigated birthergate escapes me. Davethulhu, help me out.”

    The topic was “accepting the election results”, but you knew that.

    Davethulhu (eadaad)

  78. Dear Mr President,

    They have it rigged against you. Withdraw your name and let someone else take the fall. We don’t deserve you anyway.

    — An adoring fan

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/30/2020 @ 9:20 am

    See, that’s what this is of course. Trump is the 10 year old child throwing his Nintendo controller at the wall when Mario falls off a cliff. He screwed up his big tests, one after another. He managed to win the impeachment level but he used a cheat code, and now he’s at the boss level, this complex series of decisions related to disease and the economy, and it’s just no fun losing this much.

    Instead of turning off the election, he should hand the controller to Mitt Romney and hope for the worst.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  79. Yeah, it was a mistake to surveil Obama’s campaign.

    beer ‘n pretzels (368b0a) — 7/30/2020 @ 9:28 am

    Trump’s campaign was actively working with our nation’s mortal enemies. I would be mad if our spies didn’t bump into that.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  80. How is a SC created to do a legitimate investigation, that found real crimes, not accepting the election?

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  81. I am not aware of any stolen elections in Washington. Perhaps you can enlighten me. As for Gregoire’s comment re making up her deficit, well, unsurprisingly, in 2004 the demographics of those who used mail in ballots differed from those who went to the polls. It is common place in elections with mail in ballots, like Washington, to find out that those mailing in ballots closer to the date vote marginally different than those who vote earlier or at polls. So it’s a simple matter of mathematics to look at the outstanding number of ballots, check the results for those coming in, and project a future result when they are all counted.

    I mean seriously Washington has had all mail in ballots for years now. It’s not like this is some kind of weird new concept.

    Anyway, Dana has it right. Trump can’t delay the election . What he can do is persuade 40% of the population that the election was stolen before it happens.

    As for those who say “Well the Democrats didn’t accept Trump’s election”! ? There’s a difference between a president who is still in office until Jan. 20th not accepting his defeat, and a bunch of Democrats complaining about it in the press. Trump and Barr, his willing toady, combined are in a good position in November and December to turn a close defeat, or even a landslide defeat, into a true fiasco.

    Victor (a225f9)

  82. The topic was “accepting the election results”, but you knew that.

    Yeah, I did — thus my question, which you can only dodge.

    beer ‘n pretzels (aac2a1)

  83. @75. Actually, it was ‘Come home America’ McGovern. And dust off your clock– old mnplgiarist JoeyBee served with him in the Senate.

    It’s ‘Law and order.’ Revisit the Nixon commericals from ’68 and ’72. America is 75% white; all the media has to do is keep televising angry black and brown people into their homes. When Trump wins, it won’t be a landslide, but a smackdown by the Silent Majority who’ve tolerated the back talk long enough.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  84. “Yeah, I did — thus my question, which you can only dodge.”

    Your question is nonsensical.

    Davethulhu (eadaad)

  85. Trump’s campaign was actively working with our nation’s mortal enemies.

    You’re the first to confuse Trump with The Lincoln Project.

    beer ‘n pretzels (aac2a1)

  86. The Democrats have never accepted Trump’s election and have #resisted his legal authority at every turn, helped by partisan jurists.

    You might want to revisit NR; the old guard conservative never-trump punditry was cast adrift and remains desperate for any relevance. But their time has passed.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  87. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/09/china-ai-surveillance/614197/

    The level of control that leftists only dream of. Coming soon to our shores.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  88. B&P, how was the appointment of a SC, I think by a guy he picked, an example of refusing to accept the election?

    I’ll add that the SC found crimes that were committed by the Russians in there interference in our election.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  89. You’re the first to confuse Trump with The Lincoln Project.

    beer ‘n pretzels (aac2a1) — 7/30/2020 @ 9:43 am

    Nope. Don’t carry water for Putin. You’re blessed with being an American. Have a little loyalty. Have a moral compass.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  90. Some, but not all, Republicans in Congress categorically rejected Trump’s attempt to steal the election.

    “Not answering any questions,” said Sen. Joni Ernst, an Iowa Republican also facing voters in a tough race, when asked about Trump’s tweet.

    Dave (1bb933)

  91. The problem with mail-in voting is that by law the ballot must be postmarked on are before election day. Snail mail is notoriously slow, which means the many ballots won’t reach the county clerk’s office, or wherever votes are counted, for a week or more. The result is a long delay before all the votes are counted and the election is determined.

    The law should be mail-in ballots must be received on or before election day, no matter when it was postmarked. Ballots received after that will not be counted.

    Thus, counties or districts or states that use mail-in voting must send the ballots to registered voters up to a month or more before the election, so that they can be delivered on or before election day. Even then it will take some time to count all the votes, so the election cannot be decided until days or weeks even a month after election day.

    One would think Trump would relish to have an opportunity like that. Think of all the time he would have to rant and rave, scream about voter fraud, cast doubts on the election, and claim he was the victim of a conspiracy, call the election illegitimate. Fawn flames of fire and fury, further divide the nation.

    The problem is that most Americans now want to know the results immediately, like on the night of election day. That is not going to happen this year. The election is held in early November, but the next president won’t be inaugurated until early January. That seems to me to be plenty of time to count all the votes and make a determination.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  92. @84-
    I was quoting the smear against McGovern by the Republicans.

    The obsession with Biden’s (long ago) plagiarism escapes me, esp. when compared the far worse legal and constitutional transgressions by Trump. If that’s the best you can do, it’s pretty weak beer. Trump won’t bring it up because of his far more numerous and dangerous issues.

    As I have said, I didn’t vote for President in 2016 nor will I in 2020. The Republican Party I knew has completely disappeared.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  93. Patterico, Trumps primary motivation seems to be the approval of others, especially the press. I think it’s most likely that Trump’s tweet is designed to do 3 things.

    1. Distract from the terrible economic news that most people link to our terrible handling of Covid.
    2. Establish his excuse in the eventuality that he loses. He’ll be able to say this wasn’t his fault while he tweets from Mara Lago in Feb.
    3. Establish a narrative that can be used to feed further grievance in his supporters that He will be able to continue to leverage to sell his brand to his supporters.

    thinking about it, I think you’re wrong that he wants to hold onto power.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  94. @92-
    The election is held in early November, but the next president won’t be inaugurated until early January. That seems to me to be plenty of time to count all the votes and make a determination.

    The Electoral College meets on the Monday after the second Wednesday in December, so the vote count must be completed much earlier.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  95. thinking about it, I think you’re wrong that he wants to hold onto power.

    Time123 (b87ded) — 7/30/2020 @ 9:59 am

    I hope you’re right but I don’t know.

    If Trump wanted to lose and save face, he would disclose his stroke or say he caught the bug and needs to pass the reigns to another Republican. He can have what you say he seeks easily, without disgracing himself further.

    Many down-ticket republicans will lose their offices over this. It’s hard to get voter enthusiasm up when the president is crapping on the election.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  96. If Trump wanted to lose and save face, he would disclose his stroke or say he caught the bug and needs to pass the reigns to another Republican. He can have what you say he seeks easily, without disgracing himself further.

    That would show weakness. He isn’t strong enough internally to admit weakness. I don’t think he wants to do that, I think he wants to say he actually won, but bad people cheated and stole it from him.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  97. @96-
    Why Trump Might Quit

    Given he hasn’t articulated a plan for second term, he’s probably running just to stick to the Democrats. Of course, it might backfire and he will lose bigly.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  98. B&P, how was the appointment of a SC, I think by a guy he picked, an example of refusing to accept the election?

    I hope there are Trump equivalents to McCabe, Strzok and Page concocting an “insurance policy” as we speak, since you’re kosher with it. Barr can be Weissmann, right?

    Reap the whirlwind.

    beer ‘n pretzels (a7db7c)

  99. This is why it’s particularly important to beat Trump badly. Since we know he will claim he was the victim of cheating, the margin has to be decisive, to prevent a sizable majority of the country from believing his claims and rising up with violence to support his claim.

    And if he wins, however narrowly, it will be something that all have to admit is a fair victory. The Resistance will stop and everyone will accept Trump as the legitimate president. Also, if you clap your hands, Tink will live.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  100. , I think he wants to say he actually won, but bad people cheated and stole it from him.

    You’re right but this is so delusional. I know some of Trump’s fans are buying that there is a chance the secret white vote is coming to save Trump but Trump hopefully is aware of the reality. If he were to win, it would require turning things around. That happens, but as things are, he is getting crushed.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  101. Birtherism.

    As effective as 9/11 Truthers or other types of flat earthers. The media pumps these groups up since it sells commercials, but if they didn’t exist, the media would have to find something sillier.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  102. If only some here had known the DontCallItWuhanVirus gift would drop in their lap, they wouldn’t have spent the past four years shredding their credibility on accepting election results.

    beer ‘n pretzels (bf0a55)

  103. Of course there is no Trump presidency without the birther movement.

    Of course, there is no Obama presidency without the 9/11 truther movement.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  104. The funny thing, Radegunda, is that I googled “gregoire” and “we can make up that difference” and there was only one result: It came from you in a comment section, June 2014. Maybe she did say something like that, but I was reading the Sound Politics blog almost daily at the time, along with the guy who was closely following the recount (Sharkansky), and I don’t remember her saying something like that. She may have, but it was a while back.
    I met Sharkansky at a bloggers’ gathering at Pike Place in 2006, along with Dave the White Nationalist tracker and few other characters. The beer was good, the company was, uh, interesting.

    Paul Montagu (dead92)

  105. Not everyone welcomed the suggestion. “I will be voting, in person, for you,” wrote one supporter. “Senator, I can’t believe you’d support absentee ballots,” wrote another. “We need in-person voting with ID or no voting at all.”

    This is like libertarian support for Facebook deleting libertarian messages.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  106. there was only one result

    Proof of their power!

    I say that sarcastically, but you and I both know there are some things that we KNOW happened that Google (or someone) has blackholed.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  107. Time123, the NYT decided to not run with the annualized figure and explained their decision a couple days ago. It basically boiled down to: they want to avoid the perception that they’re trying to scare people, so they’ll change their reporting system to make the numbers seem less severe.

    BuDuh, every GDP report I have ever heard in thirty years of paying attention to such things has used an annualized figure as the top line number. That’s been normal practice for decades. It may be misleading, but if it is, it was not concocted anew to be misleading for this circumstance, and objecting to it now when it’s been normal practice for decades comes off as an attempt to distract from the numbers, even if it’s not intended as such.

    This is the largest quarterly contraction since we started keeping track of such statistics.

    aphrael (f63619)

  108. Of course, there is no Obama presidency without the 9/11 truther movement.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/30/2020 @ 10:15 am

    I wish you’d said Bush v Gore, an example I deleted from my comment due to my 2020 resolution to edit down my extremely long comments.

    9/11 was an exceptionally horrible event, scaring everyone with such malice that a conspiracy theory was a predictable coping mechanism. Of course it was going to be blamed on Jews, the president, the CIA, lizards from the demon realm, etc.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  109. @93. The obsession with Biden’s (long ago) plagiarism escapes me.

    It shouldn’t.

    There’s no expiration date on plagiarism. It forced Biden to withdraw from his ’88 presidential run.

    It’s a blatant character tell.

    Plagiarism is done surreptitiously; secretly; in a way that attempts to avoid notice or attention. Plagiarism is theft; literally stealing the work product of another or others.

    It is also a tell of blatant mental laziness.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  110. B&P, how was the appointment of a SC, I think by a guy he picked, an example of refusing to accept the election?

    I hope there are Trump equivalents to McCabe, Strzok and Page concocting an “insurance policy” as we speak, since you’re kosher with it. Barr can be Weissmann, right?

    Reap the whirlwind.

    beer ‘n pretzels (a7db7c) — 7/30/2020 @ 10:10 am

    I’m not kosher with what you allege. I think what you allege is wrong.

    -There were legitimate crimes being investigated.
    -Russia did criminally interfere in our election. Part 1 of the SC report made that very clear.
    -The SC report did not find evidence that the Trump campaign was working with the Russians.
    -The IG report did not find evidence that Crossfire Fire hurricane was politically motivated. It did find systemic flaws with how the FBI used FISA and 1 US Attorney that fabricated evidence by modifying an email.

    If Durham provides additional info I’ll re-adjust but these are the facts we have today. There is evidence (Clinesmith and the leak to WAPO) to justify the Durham investigation. But the last public statement on that was that it wasn’t going to implicate senior white house officials. Basically I’m OK with the investigation, but I don’t expect it to find anything.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  111. @108, thank you.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  112. #82 — Gregoire’s comment was made in December, after one full recount had been done. Was mail service so slow that ballots had still not made it in? Some people have wondered: Why do newly “discovered” boxes of ballots typically just happen to be found in heavily Democratic areas?

    Election fraud may be less common than the Trump crowd is claiming, but that doesn’t mean it never happens. There have been cases where large numbers of ballots were mailed from an address where no one lives, e.g. And after Bush v. Gore, a Democratic lawyer boasted about how he had turned 10 or 12 close elections by manipulating hand recounts.

    There were various odd details about Florida in 2000 — statistical anomalies in the 3 counties where Dems wanted hand recounts to be confined; how the original “people are confused by the butterfly ballot!” complaint, to focus concern on 3 counties, transmuted into “people in those 3 counties had a lot of difficulty punching their ballots clean through!” — but that didn’t seem to have been a problem anywhere else in the state.
    Some people wondered what was the reason for that “dimpled chad” problem, so they did an experiment and found that it’s actually pretty hard to leave a dimpled chad — unless you put a bunch of ballots in the contraption at once and try to punch them simultaneously, and since you need to work fast you don’t pay much attention to whether the ballot is punched clean through.

    Add in the detail of the Dem operative found to have one of those contraptions in his car, and the statistical anomalies (comparing presidential & down-ballot votes), and it starts adding up to a coherent picture.

    That said, I do think Trump’s screeching about vote-by-mail fraud is just a way of preemptively rejecting a loss in November.

    OTOH, I wonder why Dems are so adamantly opposed to the simple election-integrity measure of an ID requirement, even when the state makes it as easy as possible to get ID. Are there really any U.S. citizens today who have been denied voting rights because it’s impossible for them to get ID? Dem activists seem unable to find those people when they argue against voter ID.

    In 2016 (or maybe it was 2012), some international group had been hearing horror stories about voter suppression (and I wouldn’t deny that the GOP has done things to make voting more difficult in heavily Dem areas). They were surprised to learn how lax our voting procedures are. In particular, they were stunned that in America you can vote without even verifying your identity.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  113. I’ll add: It’s shameful when the GOP strategy is more “let’s try to discourage people who don’t like us from voting” than “let’s try harder to make a persuasive case to them.”

    It’s also shameful when Dems actively block the most elementary election-integrity measures.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  114. The SC report did not find evidence that the Trump campaign was working with the Russians.

    Of course they did:

    The Office considered whether to charge Trump Campaign officials with crimes in connection with the June 9 meeting described in Volume I, Section IV.A.5, supra. The Office concluded that, in light of the government’s substantial burden of proof on issues of intent (“knowing” and “willful”), and the difficulty of establishing the value of the offered information, criminal charges would not meet the Justice Manual standard that the admissible evidence will probably be sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  115. # 105 — as I said, I might be wrong. (Shocking but true.)
    And it’s actually reassuring if the outcome was all legitimate — even if the more partisan me of the past kinda wanted it to be fraudulent.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  116. OTOH, I wonder why Dems are so adamantly opposed to the simple election-integrity measure of an ID requirement, even when the state makes it as easy as possible to get ID. Are there really any U.S. citizens today who have been denied voting rights because it’s impossible for them to get ID? Dem activists seem unable to find those people when they argue against voter ID.

    I agree. I think it may be a kind of flip side to the mask idiocy we’re seeing right now.

    There is no rational reason not to wear a mask in public right now, but still a non-negligible fraction of people (particularly those of a narcissistic or sociopathic mindset) refuse to do so.

    Similarly, some fraction of people will refuse to obtain a voter ID card, even if there is no rational reason not to. And the Democrats believe a larger fraction of those people will be their lower-income voters.

    The GOP has become the party of paranoia, so it may be that the Democrats are actually mistaken about who would lose more voters.

    Dave (1bb933)

  117. You’re a good sport, Radegunda. You could be right, and Kevin could be right that Gregoire’s comment went into some internet black hole, but I’m skeptical of those kinds of conspiracy theories. I just don’t remember it, and I’m too lazy to chase it down.

    Paul Montagu (dead92)

  118. @115: LOL

    Sucks when that pesky “burden of proof” gets in the way.

    beer ‘n pretzels (477d53)

  119. It’s also shameful when Dems actively block the most elementary election-integrity measures.

    Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/30/2020 @ 10:30 am

    We also don’t get Trump without the democrats being so ruthless about demographics and election integrity. A lot of people got fed up, then more fed up, then more. They saw Obama as dismissive of their concerns.

    Like Dave, I agree you’re totally right about voter ID requirements. Anyone in our country who doesn’t have ID needs ID, and anyone who sees that situation and doesn’t try to get them ID lacks compassion. Ask any cop who works in an urban area where homeless routinely ‘lose’ their ID. The most basic resources for homeless will have services to get them an ID because how else do we get them prescriptions, money, shelter?

    Dustin (4237e0)

  120. @119

    Yeah, the prosecutors really had no answer for the defense arguing “we were too stupid to know we couldn’t accept contributions from a foreign government”.

    Dave (1bb933)

  121. Dave, B&P is correct. The SC didn’t find sufficient evidence to meet the burden of proof. I was sloppy in the difference between evidence and proof.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  122. @121: Now do Hunter Biden and FusionGPS.

    Oh wait… the prosecution was too stupid to know what FusionGPS was.

    beer ‘n pretzels (1e9784)

  123. Hunter Biden is scummy, we shouldn’t elect him.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  124. Hunter Biden is scummy, we shouldn’t elect him.

    Yeah, too bad we elected Don, Jr. — referenced @115.

    Is that your point?

    beer ‘n pretzels (911363)

  125. Dave, B&P is correct. The SC didn’t find sufficient evidence to meet the burden of proof.

    Um, no, Time, that’s not what B&P said, which was this: “The SC report did not find evidence that the Trump campaign was working with the Russians.”
    Mueller found evidence, but not sufficient to conclude with confidence, hence the “did not establish” language in the report. Had Mueller actually found no evidence, the report would have so concluded.

    Paul Montagu (dead92)

  126. That reminds me, Time and Beer, there oughtta be an amendment, but John Quincy Adams and George W. Bush snuck in before anyone got around to it.

    urbanleftbehind (08b3a1)

  127. Don Jr. was a representative of the campaign when he had a meeting with a Russian agent where they discussed compromising info on HRC and US sanctions against Russia.

    AFAIK Hunter Biden hasn’t been credibly accused of anything bigger than trading on his name to get a cushy job on the BOD for a corrupt Ukrainian energy company. Do you have evidence of more than that? Was he somehow involved with Fusion GPS or the steel dossier or something?

    Time123 (53ef45)

  128. @126, you’re correct. I need to be more precise with my language.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  129. Trump isn’t stupid on a certain level. He knows he’s got an uphill battle, and like anyone who isn’t able to accept loss with grace, he is simply setting up a reason to justify his defeat. And because it’s Trump, that reason will have absolutely nothing to do with him being a lousy president and individual, but everything to do with X (it doesn’t even matter what X is, so long as it isn’t him). He must establish himself early-on as the victim if things go south. That way, his followers will be able to know who to blame for their guy getting tanked. Because he cannot possibly be the reason…

    P.S. He could also step down before the election, claiming that it would be a rigged game, and waste of his time because any mail-in ballots will be fraudulent on their face…

    Dana (292df6)

  130. Um, no, Time, that’s not what B&P said, which was this: “The SC report did not find evidence that the Trump campaign was working with the Russians.”

    Um, no Paul. I actually said nothing of the kind.

    beer ‘n pretzels (fe79c6)

  131. Liberal/Never trumper response: “Hey what’s a little fraud?”

    BTW, I love how McConnell and all the pompous loser Senate R’s couldn’t wait to race out win some sweet Establishment Love from Schumer/wapo/nyt by attacking the idea of delaying the election. There idiots always seem to think that if they lose gracefully, and lose with their Grand “principles”, Chuck Schumer and the Chamber of Commerce will let them wash their feet.

    Once a loser always a loser. Do you realize where the DC R’s would be without Trump, I’ll tell you where, a permanent minority. And I think most of them, including McConnell secretly want to be there. So COMFORTABLE being in the minority, just make meaningless speeches and collect that sweet campaign money aka gratt while the D’s rule the country.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  132. @128: I’ve forgotten which goalposts we’re using.

    beer ‘n pretzels (fe79c6)

  133. Sorry I can’t figure out how to link this more directly, but George W Bush’s eulogy of John Lewis captures this country’s ideals and is worth a watch.

    It is poor timing to muse about cancelling elections on the day they bury a guy whose civil rights legacy is largely related to election rights.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  134. @130, I think that plus distracting from the horrible economic news.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  135. Um, no Paul. I actually said nothing of the kind.

    My mistake.

    Paul Montagu (dead92)

  136. Evidence was not sufficient to meet the DOJ charging guidelines. I think.

    DRJ (4d6f5d)

  137. @128, I’m just asking if you’re alleging Hunter Biden was in some way involved in Fusion GPS or the Steel dossier.

    Otherwise I don’t think the situations are at all comparable.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  138. Because they could not provide evidence of intent.

    DRJ (4d6f5d)

  139. @132, RC, the constitution is clear that the president only get’s a 4 year term. Why do you hate the US constitution?

    Time123 (53ef45)

  140. @138: No, and no.

    Glad we settled that.

    beer ‘n pretzels (334591)

  141. good to find something to agree on

    Time123 (53ef45)

  142. @139, that makes sense.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  143. @134. Be brief. Be sincere. Be seated.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  144. Gregoire comment:
    It wasn’t something I read, but a soundbite from a rally that I heard on radio news. Whatever the exact words were, the comment struck me as remarkable. Maybe no one else thought so, and it didn’t end up in any print reporting.

    What’s indisputable is that Gregoire’s camp demanded a second recount, which suggests they had some degree of confidence it would go their way. Did they have confidence that more ballots would be “discovered” in King County?

    It seemed like another case of “keep counting till I win.”

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  145. Donald Trump’s Weak, Self-Defeating Call for Delaying the Election
    ……
    …..For good measure, Trump undermined his own campaign’s prior attacks on Joe Biden for claiming that Trump would try to delay the election…..
    ……
    Why do this now? …… Bad economic news by itself does not really even hurt him much right now, politically. Convincing wavering voters that Trump is a menace to democratic elections has a lot more potential to hurt him. ……

    The other theory is that Trump needs to build conspiratorial excuses in the (not certain, but likely) event that he loses……If Trump has visions of running again in 2024, or anointing a family member or ally, or generally remaining relevant and powerful within the party, he cannot be perceived as a loser even if he loses, badly. …..If the goal is simply to ensure that the Republican Party is never able to move on from Trump, and is trapped in a self-defeating cycle of relitigating 2020, then it makes sense to do things that actively harm his reelection prospects now, in order to save face for more Trump later.

    ….. If Trump is already focused in July on making excuses for losing, that is a very bad omen for Republicans in November.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  146. 135… what’s horrible about the economic news resulting from the shutdown of the USA that the MSM, the so-called experts and teh KARENs have demanded?

    They got what they asked for.

    Colonel Haiku (607a84)

  147. The election will go on in November.

    Colonel Haiku (607a84)

  148. @147-
    They got what they asked for.

    Actually, they didn’t. They wanted the spread of COVID-19 to slow, the curve to come down, and they didn’t get any of that.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  149. Clear-thinking Americans don’t blame Trump for Wuhan Bat Flu or the economy and they have long memories. They know his presidency has been under attack since Day One from the far-left MSM, Federal bureaucracy, Democrat Party, etc. They know who has demanded shutdowns, which governors staked their claim to power and responsibility for the actions each took… Americans know who has supported violence and chaos in our streets, who promotes racial division, who has politicized nearly every f**king facet of our lives, etc..

    This will be a case of enraged people taking their frustrations out on the Democrat Party in November.

    Colonel Haiku (607a84)

  150. Absentee voting hurts Democrats but who is Trump to notice?

    First, more Democrats than Republicans have moved recently.

    Second, Democrats always lose votes.

    In New York, in the recent primary election. about one fifth of absentee ballots were discarded this year because they arrived too late. They could be counted if postmarked by election day but they were postage paid and had no postmarks!

    This is not a one-time thing;

    It was Democrats who bought the pre-2000 punch card machines (more than Republicans) Chicago was one place they used them. And it was Democrat election official who designed the butterfly ballot in Palm Beach zcounty. And Democrats who told voters in Jacksonville, Florida that year to mark every page – causing some people to vote twice for president and invalidate their votes because minor party candidates were on a separate page.

    And in New York they changed the voting machine so that people could move the lever the other way by mistake. About one in 50 votes was lost every year. They later finally, after 2000, used a dummy vote lever so they could make it so that at least one vote needed to be cast to end the voting but that, or a requirement to vote at least once without the dummy vote, was there originally.

    A lot of systems lose votes. When optical scan ballots are used a good number of votes don’t get counted. Some people barely put anything in the circles but do clearly intend to make a choice.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  151. Once a loser always a loser. Do you realize where the DC R’s would be without Trump, I’ll tell you where, a permanent minority.

    Between 2009 and 2015, before Donald Trump arrived to “save” it, the GOP nationwide gained over 1000 seats in congress, state legislatures and governors’ mansions.

    The 2016 election, which brought Trump to office, saw the GOP senate majority halved and the House majority slightly reduced. In 2018 he handed almost 50 seats, and control of the House, to the Democrats.

    Dave (1bb933)

  152. 2. rcocean (2e1c02) — 7/30/2020 @ 7:24 am

    The last thing we need is an election being strung out for a month while the democrats try to “find” enough ballots to steal the election.

    It’s likely to be strung out anyway in some states.

    Because some states like New York, do not count absentee ballots in advance.

    You can request an absentee ballot and still vote at the polls. Voting at the polls cancels your absentee ballot, so they can’t count any until they check that you didn’t vote at a polling site, either on Election Day or before, They need to approve each one as valid.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  153. @150-

    Bookmarking for future reference on Nov. 4th.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  154. 154… you do that and don’t forget to set aside some clothing so that you can rend while gnashing your teeth.

    Colonel Haiku (607a84)

  155. A wiseacre would respond with “Look in the g/d mirror”:

    http://www.huffpost.com/entry/ted-cruz-trump-texas-warning_n_5f2257e1c5b68fbfc87ed082

    urbanleftbehind (08b3a1)

  156. 154… you do that and don’t forget to set aside some clothing so that you can rend while gnashing your teeth.
    Comedy gold!

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  157. 157… yes… it will be. Especially the mincing.

    Colonel Haiku (607a84)

  158. I added this to the post because of its relevancy:

    Psst, President Trump:

    3 U.S. Code § 1. Time of appointing electors. The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.

    Dana (292df6)

  159. Donald Trump is on the TeeVee proving that he’s a moron.

    “Everyone knows it, smart people know it…I know it” Those things can’t be all be true at once you absolute turd sandwich.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  160. From Steven Calabresi, co-founder of The Federalist Society:

    I have voted Republican in every presidential election since 1980, including voting for Donald Trump in 2016. I wrote op-eds and a law review article protesting what I believe was an unconstitutional investigation by Robert Mueller. I also wrote an op-ed opposing President Trump’s impeachment.

    But I am frankly appalled by the president’s recent tweet seeking to postpone the November election. Until recently, I had taken as political hyperbole the Democrats’ assertion that President Trump is a fascist. But this latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president’s immediate impeachment by the House of Representatives and his removal from office by the Senate.

    How about it, rcocean? Leftist? RINO Neocon? Soros stooge?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  161. What better thread than this one for this:

    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/30/897205758/full-d-c-appeals-court-agrees-to-take-up-michael-flynn-legal-case

    Let the ducks l’orange gnash their bills!

    nk (1d9030)

  162. ulb 156,

    Texas is in play but not because of the Hard Left. Cruz knows from his own election that the Trump GOP is losing votes in the suburbs. That is why Trump chose his Texas trip yesterday to promote his support for the Suburban Dream Lifestyle. Apparently he thinks we are racists like him.

    DRJ (aede82)

  163. But this latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president’s immediate impeachment by the House of Representatives and his removal from office by the Senate.

    Welcome to the party, pal!

    Dave (1bb933)

  164. DRJ,

    you think minorities don’t want to live in the suburbs and instead want to bring the type of housing there that they escaped from in the cities? Strange.

    My dad worked 3 jobs to get out of the ghetto. No desire to return to that environment.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  165. The thought of the postal service being able to handle 260 million more items is laughable.
    But its part of the never trump scam to rig the election in favor of old man dementia and some radical big black chick/2020

    mg (8cbc69)

  166. NJRob,

    My impression of the Northeastern cities is that suburbanites are transplants from the cities who want safety and privacy. There could be a racial component to that in some places, and maybe with Trump. I could be wrong so I am open to correction.

    This is true for some Texas suburbs, too, but most people move to suburbs when they have families. They want better schools, more recreational opportunities, bigger homes with yards and more space. Some are White, some are minority, some transplants from other states, some coming from rural areas. It isn’t our race that makes us suburbanites.

    DRJ (aede82)

  167. The thought of the postal service being able to handle 260 million more items is laughable.

    Let’s do the math. There were 137 million presidential votes cast in 2016, so call it 140 million this year. With mail-in ballots, they’ll be streaming into county offices for four to six weeks prior to election day. Let’s say that half are procrastinators, that 70 million will drop their ballots into mailboxes on November 3rd. On an average day, the USPS handles 509 million pieces of mail, which means that postal workers will face a 14% increase in volume on a single day. I think they can handle it.
    The real challenge will be how election workers handle the mail-ins.

    Paul Montagu (1ef895)

  168. City life typically costs far more than suburbs here. You work three jobs to get a fancy city condo in Texas.

    DRJ (aede82)

  169. Apparently he thinks we are racists like him.

    Aren’t you a proud “Suburban Housewife of America,” DRJ?

    Dave (1bb933)

  170. 168
    I think they are still counting ballots in some states from the last election in Nov.
    Paul, If you can stand and riot you can stand and vote.

    mg (8cbc69)

  171. @165-
    And yet you apparently live in New Jersey.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  172. 164.

    Welcome to the party, pal!
    Dave (1bb933) — 7/30/2020 @ 3:39 pm

    “I never thought leopards would eat MY face, sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party.”

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  173. My impression of the Northeastern cities is that suburbanites are transplants from the cities who want safety and privacy. There could be a racial component to that in some places, and maybe with Trump. I could be wrong so I am open to correction.

    This is true for some Texas suburbs, too, but most people move to suburbs when they have families. They want better schools, more recreational opportunities, bigger homes with yards and more space. Some are White, some are minority, some transplants from other states, some coming from rural areas. It isn’t our race that makes us suburbanites.

    DRJ (aede82) — 7/30/2020 @ 4:01 pm

    It isn’t our race that makes us suburbanites in the Northeast either DRJ. That sounds like some hostility towards Yankees. It took me a while to adjust from city live to suburb life. After maturing, I’d never want to go back. I think most people would prefer open spaces and privacy. That’s why it’s horrific when leftists leave those oppressive environments and then bring their horrid politics with them .

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  174. And yet you apparently live in New Jersey.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/30/2020 @ 4:15 pm

    And grew up in the city. And debate every month moving to a more rural environment. I admit, I’m only still here because of work. What’s your excuse?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  175. For what? I’m happy where I live. NJ, on the other hand, is one big Superfund site.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  176. At White House briefing, Trump stands by ‘delay the election’ tweet, ignoring G.O.P. pushback.
    President Trump refused to back down on Thursday afternoon from his suggestion earlier in the day that the election be delayed, something he has no authority to order and that top Republicans quickly rejected.
    …….
    “You’re sending out hundreds of millions of universal mail-in ballots. Hundreds of millions,” Mr. Trump said. “Where are they going? Who are they being sent to? You don’t have to know anything about politics.”
    ……
    He also vastly overstated the number of ballots that would be needed — only around 138 million Americans voted in 2016 — and continued trying to sow doubt about the election process. …..
    ……
    ……Mr. Biden brought up the issue at a virtual fund-raiser. “By the way, as these numbers have gotten worse, what did he do today?” Mr. Biden said. “He called for not having the election on Nov. 3. He wants to postpone the election. Well that’s for two reasons. One, he believes it,” Mr. Biden said, and secondly, he suggested, because Mr. Trump wanted to detract from the funeral that day of John Lewis, a former congressman and civil rights icon.
    …..
    Rather than back off in the face of widespread criticism, Mr. Trump pinned the tweet atop his Twitter profile.
    …..
    ……“It is a fragrant and flagrant expression of his current weakness,” Fox News politics editor Chris Stirewalt said during a Fox News broadcast Thursday morning. “A person who is in a strong position would never, never suggest anything like that. So Trump may be making a tactical error here by further telegraphing his weak position in the polls and his weak position for re-election.”
    ……

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  177. ‘”Tom” delay the election’ is such a sucker distraction. Why so many go for it is why fish bite on metal lures.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  178. NJRob,

    I don’t think it is hostility but I freely admit I don’t understand the Northeastern cities or their values. Trump has made me realize that daily.

    DRJ (aede82)

  179. Fair enough. I retract my statement. I’d ask you to just give some thought to our leftist politicians including the Divider In Chief. How many live in private, gated communities versus how many live in communities with low incoming high rises?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  180. low income*

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  181. This is why it’s particularly important to beat Trump badly

    You all hate Trump so completely that you would welcome Biden and all the garbage the Democrats will shove down our throats? That’s some serious hate.

    Marci (405d43)

  182. That’s some serious hate.

    He’s worked hard to earn it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  183. I agree Marci. I don’t cut off my nose to spite my face. I love my country too much to let the left destroy it.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  184. @184 The real question is do you love your country enough to cut off the infected arm before the disease can spread to the heart? Or are you unable to do that because it’s busy punching the people you don’t like.

    Manotaur (e632fa)

  185. Manotaur,

    “I can’t spare the man. He fights.” You have communists knocking at the doors of power and you want to get rid of the only other option because you don’t like him. Or is there another reason.

    Trump will be gone in 4 years. The damage a communist regime will do, can never be undone.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  186. So cat is now out of bag, comrades: Hong Kong postpones legislative elections for a year over coronavirus fears. This is where mandarin get idea.

    nk (1d9030)

  187. The batsh*t crazy Left and #NeverTrump are allies in the effort to hasten the demise of the USA.

    They beclown themselves on a daily basis and are to be ridiculed.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  188. Manotaur,

    “I can’t spare the man. He fights.” You have communists knocking at the doors of power and you want to get rid of the only other option because you don’t like him. Or is there another reason.

    Trump will be gone in 4 years. The damage a communist regime will do, can never be undone.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/31/2020 @ 11:22 am

    I don’t think he fights. I think he just makes a lot of noise.

    But what I really want you to consider is one of the reasons we got Trump.

    The left ran with the theme that Bush, McCain, & Romney were far right authoritarians that hated women and brown people. That might be a bit of an exaggeration, but that was the theme.

    So we ended up with Trump. He has no respect for democratic process, limited government, or rule of law.

    Had the left been more accurate about previous GOP leaders its possible that concerns about Trump might have been taken more seriously.

    Biden is a centrist democrat and an institutionalist. If you bang the drum hard enough that he’s part of the communist van guard then when AOC (or whatever far left communist) enters the race it’s just more noise.

    Time123 (457a1d)

  189. So cat is now out of bag, comrades

    Election delay good, except when is bad.

    TASS spokeswoman is clarify!

    White House Condemns China For Delaying Hong Kong Election Day After Trump Imagined Delaying U.S. Election

    Dave (1bb933)

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