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7/29/2020

Politician Suggests That Wearing Face Mask May Have Caused Him To Test Positive For Coronavirus (UPDATE ADDED)

Filed under: General — Dana @ 1:05 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Hoo-boy. Mask naysayer politician tests positive:

Rep. Louie Gohmert — a Tyler Republican who peddled a nonexistent disinfectant for COVID-19 in April and is often spotted in the U.S. Capitol without a mask — has tested positive for the coronavirus, forcing him to miss a flight to West Texas aboard Air Force One.

Gohmert, 66, was scheduled to fly Wednesday morning with President Donald Trump for a fundraiser in Odessa and a speech on energy policy in Midland. He tested positive for COVID-19 at the White House pre-screening, he confirmed in a tweeted video from his Capitol Hill office.

“It’s really ironic because a lot of people have made a big deal out of my not wearing a mask a lot, but in the last week or two, I have worn a mask more than I have in the whole last four months,” he told Tyler local television station KETK in a Wednesday interview he also filmed from his Capitol Hill office.

Gohmert now wonders if it was because he wore a mask, that he now has the virus:

Moving the mask around, get it just right, I was bound to put some virus on the mask that soaked in…

So in other words, he was touching his face with unwashed hands. Some big no-no’s right there… Wearing a mask wasn’t the problem. It’s what Gohmert chose to do after the mask was in place. And what he chose to do after the mask was in place is what we’ve been cautioned not to do.

Anyway, look who Gohmert was in maskless contact with just yesterday:

One would think that any number of individuals present at yesterday’s House Judiciary Committee hearing, including AG Barr, will now be self-quarantining for the next two weeks…

Coronavirus is bringing out the crazy: Yesterday it was sex demons. Today it’s mask-wearing might be causing people to become infected. One shudders to consider what tomorrow may bring.

UPDATE: This is just damning:

–Dana

93 Responses to “Politician Suggests That Wearing Face Mask May Have Caused Him To Test Positive For Coronavirus (UPDATE ADDED)”

  1. Well…

    Dana (292df6)

  2. For a while, Gary Busey blamed helmets for motorcycle crashes, even after getting his head smashed in a motorcycle crash. (He’s since recovered enough to advocate helmets.)

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  3. Masters of the Universe don’t need masks, just like governors don’t need seat belts.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  4. One shudders to consider what tomorrow may bring.

    Are they really TRYING to infect Our President?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  5. The idea that coronavirus is transmitted by touching surfaces is not true, but it is an idea that is still being promoted by the CDC I think.

    What the truth really is here is face masks aren’t foolproof, and also that Louie Goemert wasn’t wearing one all of the time. Also that ventilation and sunlight and isolation from other people is more important, and there’s really nothing special about staying 6 feet away from where somebody who maybe expelled virus particles currently is It an be contracted 100 or 150 feet away from where a Covid positive person was. A heavily loaded droplet just floats there.

    But Louie Gpemert might possibly have a milder case because of the facemask.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  6. The news has made it all the way across the Pacific.

    Paul Montagu (dead92)

  7. So… he’s supposed to be ashamed that he got a highly infectious virus? You’re not the only one tut-tutting about this and I just don’t get it. The whole mask thing? Mayor of Atlanta, anyone?

    Isn’t it obvious that the only way to end this pandemic is the same way all pandemics end- by going through it? We’re all going to have to be infected/ exposed. Assuming Ghomert recovers, he’ll be one less vector of transmission. Well, even if he doesn’t he’ll be one less vector, but I won’t wish for that.

    Either way, who cares? He clearly didn’t care if he caught it. He didn’t find out about it till today, as far as anyone knows, so what exactly is it that we’re supposed to outraged about?

    Gerry LaMontagne (fd9fdf)

  8. Thoughts and prayers. Isn’t that what they say.

    asset (86ffcf)

  9. The problem with Gohmert suggesting it was because he wore a mask that he got sick is:

    1) there is no evidence to support his notion
    2) he is misleading people by suggesting that has not be proven by scientists
    3) he is reinforcing the untrue view that masks cannot help reduce the transmission of infection
    4) he is tacitly putting more people who are already mask-averse at risk
    5) he has now put any number of other people at risk of infection by being in close proximity to them because he refused to wear a mask

    Dana (292df6)

  10. asset,

    I think we can point out the foolishness and potential danger of espousing such a notion as blaming his infection on wearing a mask, as well as wishing him the best during his illness. Mature people can hold two thoughts in their head at the same time. I figured the latter was a given. Apparently I was wrong.

    Dana (292df6)

  11. 9. There is no evidence to support the notion that masks *prevent* you from getting sick, either. A regular ole he-said-she-said back-and-forth. And here we are.

    Gryph (76a0c3)

  12. The National Security Adviser, Robert O’Brien, is also infected. He had probably been isolating for several days but Trump didn’t notice that he was not seeing him on purpose.

    There is no official speculation as to how he got infected, but Larry Kudlow and other (anonymous) White House sources says it was most likely through his daughter. Washington, D.C. has been a hotspot for awhile.

    When the public was allowed to view John Lewis;s casket, they put it at the top of the Capitol steps, rather than inside the building.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  13. Argue with the infectious disease specialists and epidemiologists, Gryph. Pretty sure they’re not just making up stuff.

    Dana (292df6)

  14. @9.The problem with Gohmert…

    The “problem” with Gohmert is he’s a frigging idiot on a scale surpassing JoeyBee.

    [ ] Louie Gohmert is an idiot.

    [ ] Texans who keep voting for Louis Gohmert are idiots.

    [ ] All of the above.

    ‘Thick As A Brick’ – Jethro Tull, 1972

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. 13. Not every infectious disease specialist and epidemiologist agrees that masks are helpful. Granted, most of them will agree that masks aren’t harmful (as do I, incidentally). But your confirmation bias shows through in your appeal to authority.

    “But, but…Gryph! Fauci was just lying to us to protect us so we wouldn’t run out of masks!”

    Bullsh!t.

    Gryph (76a0c3)

  16. “Water is wet.” – Louis Gohmert.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  17. ‘One shudders to consider what tomorrow may bring…’

    America a day closer to electing Biden or re-electing Trump.

    “What a world! What a world!” – Wicked Witch of the West [Margaret Hamilton] ‘The Wizard Of Oz’ 1939

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  18. When the public was allowed to view John Lewis;s casket, they put it at the top of the Capitol steps, rather than inside the building.

    But in Atlanta, today, he;s lying in state inside the building. The funeral wll be tomorrow. Starting at about 10:45 am.

    Meanwhile…

    1. Ten Congressmen altogether have tested positive by this date.

    2. Dr, Anthony Fauci says eye protection may be needed too (about 3% of infections are estimated to be through the eyes)

    3. Louie Geemert was tested only because he was going to be together with President Trump. He was tested twice, the second time apparently to confirm the first test result. Maybe they do two different kinds of tests routinely to confirm.

    4. Months ago, President Trump offered to let Congress have the same Abbott Laboratories Covid test used by the White House, but House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (backed up by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer) turned it down saying they didn’t want to be prioritized over health care workers, and I assume anybody else who needed them. (Mitch McConnell apparently was not going to have testing done for the Senate by a party line vote)

    5. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has added face masks to the Congressional dress code, or maybe it’s that she made that a rule for the Capitol (but nobody but members, staff, and anybody with business there enters the Capitol building now. Or buildings?)

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  19. #16

    Stupid is as stupid does — Forrest Gump

    Appalled (1a17de)

  20. Gohmert did not dream this up. It was recommended early in the pandemic:

    SALT LAKE CITY (Feb 27, 2020)– Health officials say you shouldn’t be wearing protective face masks as a preventative measure against getting sick. In fact, they say wearing a mask might make you more likely to catch something.

    We are still learning about Covid, not only what masks to wear but how to wear and maintain them correctly.

    DRJ (aede82)

  21. Gryph,

    The Mayo Clinic explanation on the early pandemic guidelines on masks:

    So why weren’t face masks recommended at the start of the pandemic? At that time, experts didn’t know the extent to which people with COVID-19 could spread the virus before symptoms appeared. Nor was it known that some people have COVID-19 but don’t have any symptoms. Both groups can unknowingly spread the virus to others.

    DRJ (aede82)

  22. While we know that there were conflicting messages about masks in the early stages, Gohmert has clearly resisted wearing a mask, even as recently as yesterday when he was in close proximity to Barr and others. Now that makes me think, who followed him at the hearing, using an unsanitized microphone?

    Dana (292df6)

  23. Gerry LaMontagne –

    No, he should be ashamed of himself over being a dangerously ignorant, malevolent little weasel .

    But I know he won’t be, so I’d take him being ashamed of spreading dangerous nonsense, almost certainly spreading the disease further, and generally being a sub-replacement level doofus.

    john (cd2753)

  24. 22. I clearly resist wearing a mask, as well. Nor do I sanitize all of the surfaces I come into contact with in a day’s time. If I thought that CoViD-19 was likely to kill me (PROTIP: It’s not), I might be worried.

    What you call “conflicting messages,” I call bureaucratic lies.

    You are correct in pointing out that mature people can hold two opposing thoughts at once. Mine are: “Donald Trump is an ineffective president” and “CoViD-19 will burn itself out before we have an effective countermeasure for it.”

    Gryph (76a0c3)

  25. 21. We still don’t know. CoViD cowards are still sh!tting themselves over the speed with which CoViD appears to be spreading even though it stands to reason that with a non-zero number of people wearing masks, the spread is slower than it otherwise would be.

    CoViD Coward: More people should wear masks!

    Me: Here’s your new normal, chickensh!t. Get over yourself.

    Gryph (76a0c3)

  26. 2018 vote, Texas’s 1st congressional district election, 2018

    Louie Gohmert (incumbent) 168,165 72.26%

    168,165 idiots in and around Tyler, Texas.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  27. 26. You’ll have a new count of idiots when Donald Trump wins in a landslide in 2020. (and no, I’m not voting for him)

    Gryph (76a0c3)

  28. Turning Point USA co-founder dies of coronavirus-related complications
    The co-founder of conservative student group Turning Point USA, Bill Montgomery, has died from complications of the coronavirus, according to two friends of his.

    Montgomery, who started it in 2012 with young conservative star Charlie Kirk, died at the age of 80 on Tuesday from Covid-19, according to pro-Trump conservative strategist Caleb Hull, who posted about the death on Twitter and his personal Facebook page, and Chicago-based citizen journalist Vic Maggio.

    “I really wish people would just stop politicizing this pandemic and grow up while innocent people around us are dying,” Hull also said. “You have no idea how painful it is to be forced to sit at home while your loved one dies alone in a hospital.”
    …….
    Over the course of the pandemic, Turning Point USA representatives have downplayed the impact of the coronavirus on public life.

    In two previous episodes of his podcast, March 16 and April 23, Kirk stated that he believed that the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions should self-quarantine. Outside of that, however, he has questioned the vast majority of public health proposals to limit community spread. On the Sunday edition of his podcast, Kirk said: “Do not force me to wear a mask, it’s that simple. I’m not gonna do it, I’m not.”
    …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  29. 28. Okay. And…?

    Gryph (76a0c3)

  30. Coronavirus is bringing out the crazy:

    Trump is bringing out the crazy. He has fifteen million gullible marks in his market segment and everything he says makes him a pitchman and a shill for any scammer or crazy who wants to sell something to those marks. Meretricious products and meretricious ideas. The Marlboro cowboy of crazy, is what the orange is.

    nk (1d9030)

  31. We already know you don’t wear a mask so your mother-in-law will avoid you, Gryph, so give it a rest, okay? It’s a better reason than the other ones you’ve been giving us, honestly.

    nk (1d9030)

  32. Gomert Pyle is a real stupid. Not (just) on the mask thing, but sure, he doesn’t wear one…ever…he had one around his neck during the 5 hour session yesterday, and had it covering his face 13 seconds, of 5 hours. He was in a germ tube for 4 hours a few days ago, where masks were mandated, but he couldn’t be bothered to follow the rules because he told the airline he’s Gomert Pyle and is special. Delta would have kicked him off.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  33. I’ve updated the post with an email from Gohmert’s staff…

    Dana (292df6)

  34. Idiots in stereo: Gohmert does Hannity.

    He’s taking HydroTrumpPills.

    What?? Not gargling with bleach, Louis?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. Let’s see if he can fight worth a damn outside a controlled environment and not in a singlet:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/antitrust-hearing-lawmakers-erupt-jim-jordan-temper-tantrum-put-your-mask-on-2020-7

    urbanleftbehind (08b3a1)

  36. It turns out the new normal includes record high numbers for daily deaths in Florida, California, Texas and let’s see here, Idaho. But as is often pointed out people die all the time in these states, so little more death isn’t such a big deal.

    Victor (a225f9)

  37. If that staff email is true, he should have told people and let them take the precautions they want. That was not his call to make. But we have seen several medical versions of how to deal with Covid and there will be more. Until we know a lot more, IMO how everyone deals with it is a choice not a mandate.

    DRJ (aede82)

  38. He was in a germ tube for 4 hours a few days ago, where masks were mandated, but he couldn’t be bothered to follow the rules because he told the airline he’s Gomert Pyle and is special. Delta would have kicked him off.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 7/29/2020 @ 5:45 pm

    He flew commercial spreading this stuff? What a swell guy.

    You gotta love his argument that maybe the mask made him sick. Hey, put the left on the defensive to the bitter end.

    Isn’t it obvious that the only way to end this pandemic is the same way all pandemics end- by going through it? We’re all going to have to be infected/ exposed

    No Gerry, that is not obvious.

    Because people don’t seem to develop long lasting immunity, yet do often have lung damage, it is not the case that we all need to get COVID as fast as possible. You know this, innately. Fear of sickness is natural and anyone telling you the opposite is not your friend. The more time science has to develop treatments and prevention before someone you care about gets sick, the better for you, for your family. That doesn’t mean we should nuke our economy. It just means wear a mask, show your neighbor and your country that you care about them.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  39. I would like to know if Gohmert himself berated staff for wearing masks. If he did that would be some sort of abuse of power (for lack of a better description). It matters if he did.

    Dana (292df6)

  40. Another powerful ad from the Lincoln Project:

    Memories

    Dave (1bb933)

  41. @40. ROFLMAOPIP The LP is brain dead.

    This is how it’s done; Trump101:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVfgKe9BPMU

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. Dave, in my opinion that’s the worst Lincoln Project ad. The piano, the hallmark memories, the monotone Next on Lifetime Miseries Miniseries voice…

    Humorless, vaguely ghoulish, manipulative.

    Trump’s the dude praising pedo island lady, and reptilian demon sex doc, and pardoning his whoremongers. There’s plenty of material for something a little less defeated.

    Unfortunately the Trump opposition is fairly annoying, which isn’t too big a surprise because a creep like Trump managed to become president for a reason.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  43. My comment’s in moderation but I agree with DSCSA about the ad.

    Dave, in my opinion that’s the worst Lincoln Project ad. The piano, the hallmark memories, the monotone Next on Lifetime Miseries Miniseries voice…

    Humorless, vaguely ghoulish, manipulative.

    Trump’s the dude praising pedo island lady, and reptilian demon [censored] doc, and pardoning his [censored]. There’s plenty of material for something a little less defeated.

    Unfortunately the Trump opposition is fairly annoying, which isn’t too big a surprise because a creep like Trump managed to become president for a reason.

    Dustin (4237e0) — 7/29/2020 @ 10:33 pm Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Let’s see if this one gets through.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  44. Got this today from the Chancellor of UCI:

    […]

    A handful of units have reinstated limited on-site operations and several others have submitted applications to return to work on campus. [Info on preparations before a unit can return to on-site work omitted] Prioritizing the health and safety of our campus community remains a top priority.

    While some units take these early steps to return, the default continues to be remote work. Many have asked how long this situation will last. We recognize that you need to make plans for childcare, school and other aspects of your personal lives, so please plan to continue working remotely through the start of the winter quarter, January 4, 2021, unless you have been notified otherwise. If you have circumstances that make this continuance a challenge, please speak with your unit head. We appreciate your patience and flexibility as we try to remain nimble in this changing environment.

    […]

    So UCI is more or less on lockdown until January.

    Thanks Obama!

    Dave (1bb933)

  45. Well Dustin, obviously I disagree.

    The fact that that hundreds of millions of lives have been, and will be, f*cked up for the foreseeable future due to Trump’s sabotage, when most other countries (with competent leadership) have mastered the pandemic, is a point that cannot be made too often or too forcefully.

    Dave (1bb933)

  46. I will point out that I called Gohmert and the rest of the House Freedom Caucus asshats back in 2017. They have gotten no better. Trump’s willing blockers as he scores own-goals.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  47. joey dementia and his black plantation women can’t wait for your votes

    mg (8cbc69)

  48. There is no evidence to support the notion that masks *prevent* you from getting sick, either.

    Pasteur wept.

    NOBODY claims the mask YOU wear prevents YOU from getting sick. It prevents you from expectorating and getting someone ELSE sick if you happen to be in the symptom-free incubation period where you are already infectious.

    The mask YOU wear will help, a little bit, but not much if someone who is infected coughs in your general direction. N95 masks help more.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  49. joey dementia and his black plantation women can’t wait for your votes

    The scary thing is that Trump doesn’t NEED dementia to act as he does. Cold sober, too.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  50. Texans who keep voting for Louis Gohmert are idiots.

    Untrue. They just have a binary choice and the Democrat is worse.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  51. It matters if he did.

    Why? It’s not like he can be sued.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  52. ever notice how no one wants to find a cure, just keep us locked down for the election. they can line up to see selmas best but can’t line up to vote

    mg (8cbc69)

  53. Trump is bringing out the crazy.

    Trump is leading the crazy. Or at least some of them. AOC is leading some, too.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  54. The fact that that hundreds of millions of lives have been, and will be, f*cked up for the foreseeable future due to Trump’s sabotage

    Oh, I can blame Trump for a lot of things, but American willfulness was here before Trump and will be here after Trump.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  55. America 150,000+ covid deaths Vietnam/taiwan less then 50 deaths south korea less then 400 deaths japan less ten 1.000 deaths. The difference? first face masks mandatory, second the libertarian conservative philosophy of less government is not tolerated.

    asset (653336)

  56. Well Dustin, obviously I disagree.

    The fact that that hundreds of millions of lives have been, and will be, f*cked up for the foreseeable future due to Trump’s sabotage, when most other countries (with competent leadership) have mastered the pandemic, is a point that cannot be made too often or too forcefully.

    Dave (1bb933) — 7/29/2020 @ 10:52 pm

    Ok let’s grant your very good point. Trump’s screwing this up is important.

    But the Lincoln Project’s ‘we are outraged into action and you can’t stop us’ brand is supposed to be powerful and even cathartic.

    No accounting for taste says the one Ayn Rand book I read.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  57. Hey! He can go to the Mambo for hydroxychloroquine and exorcism.

    nk (1d9030)

  58. @45 Dave, you’re right, hundreds of millions of American lives will be f*cked for the foreseeable future because of the election of Trump, but it won’t be out of sabotage. It will be out of a noxious and odious combination of ignorance and arrogance.

    He has completely ruined the GOP, and the Republicans themselves are not without blame, because weak-kneed they willingly, mindlessly, spinelessly, cowardly, stupidly submitted to his ineptitude and incompetence.

    That’s why Mona Charen argues

    https://thebulwark.com/the-gop-needs-to-hit-rock-bottom/

    Patterico made the same argument not too long ago. If the GOP is to remain a viable party, Trumpism must be totally excised.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  59. That Mona Charen article is good.

    So is this one:

    https://thebulwark.com/burn-it-all-down/

    Dave (1bb933)

  60. 19.

    5. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has added face masks to the Congressional dress code,

    The rule applies to the House floor only so it’s the dress code.

    Meanwhile, the White House has (again) offered testing to Congress.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  61. 53. mg (8cbc69) — 7/29/2020 @ 11:39 pm

    ever notice how no one wants to find a cure, just keep us locked down for the election.

    Who says that would end with the election?

    It’s pretty obvious the federal government experts are not interested in a cure, but only a vaccine.

    Efforts to approve a cure (called therapeutics) are moving ahead, though.

    The more like snake oil a treatment is, the more publicity is gets.

    they can line up to see selmas best but can’t line up to vote

    No contradiction. It’s considered a matter of personal preference. They don’t mind if some people don’t go.

    Now it;s actually not true that Democrats wants every person’s vote to count. They don’t care enough to see that it actually happens. What they want is large, insurmountable, majorities.

    In New York, about one fifth of absentee ballots were discarded this year because they arrived too late. They could be counted if postmarked by election day > but they were postage paid and had no postmarks!

    And a good number of votes don;t get counted when optical scan ballots are used. Some people barely put anything in the circles.

    And it as Democrats who bought the punch card machines (more than Republicans) and in New York they changed the voting machine so that people could move the lever the other way by mistake. About one in 50 votes was lost every year. They later finally, after 2000, used a dummy vote lever so they could make it so that at least one vote needed to be cast to end the voting but that, or a requirement to vote at least once without the dummy vote, was there originally. But stopped in the 1960s (deal with Gov. Nelson Rockefeller?)

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  62. Right now, all that them stickyfingers is looking at ain’t nuther the coronavirus nor the election. All they’s looking at is cooking the books so they and their cronies will get as much of the coronavirus relief money as possible.

    nk (1d9030)

  63. ever notice how no one wants to find a cure, just keep us locked down for the election. they can line up to see selmas best but can’t line up to vote

    mg (8cbc69) — 7/29/2020 @ 11:39 pm

    I noticed a post a couple days ago on the Vaccine. I notice lots of news stories about the vaccine.
    I notice we’re putting in orders with multiple companions on the chance one of them will have a safe and effective vaccine. I notice no one, DEM or GOP objects to that.

    I notice conspiracy theorists don’t pay attention to that and just keep repeating dumb stuff like
    ever notice how no one wants to find a cure, just keep us locked down for the election. they can line up to see selmas best but can’t line up to vote

    Time123 (53ef45)

  64. Do people acting like Mask Nannies really understand two things:

    1) Masks do not provide protection for the wearer unless they are very expensive types worn usually worn by medical professionals.
    2) Ordinary cloths masks (worn by 95% of population) provide no protection.
    3) They are worn to protect OTHER PEOPLE.
    4) The mask can actually increase your risk since it can trap particles and provides a false sense of security. Someone else in a mask may not practice social distancing and infect you if they are wearing the wrong kind of mask, or they are wearing it incorrectly.

    But hey lets not care about science. Lets just chant “Wear a mask” over and over.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  65. They never liked Mona Charon. She was ALWAYS a fake conservative and a neo-con. She was also an ungrateful back stabber. Pat Buchanan started her career by hiring her as a WH speech writer. Later, she was the first one to smear Buchanan as an anti-Semite when he ran for POTUS in 1992. She didn’t like his stand on the Gulf war, so he had to be destroyed. I remember Al Hunt hated her, and she eventually left the Capital Gang. Thank God, because her replacement Kate O’Beirn (sp) was so much better.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  66. rcocnean, if you paid attention you’d know that point 3 has been made many times in this thread.

    Karen’s who feel they’re extra special just pretend not to know that.

    Can you support this assertion? 4) The mask can actually increase your risk since it can trap particles and provides a false sense of security. Someone else in a mask may not practice social distancing and infect you if they are wearing the wrong kind of mask, or they are wearing it incorrectly. I’m not saying it’s wrong, and it’s plausible, but I haven’t seen any data that would support it as a realistic concern.

    Since you’re a big fan of science lately I assume you have some evidence in the form of an observational or clinical study.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  67. A final word on mask. Some people are crazy on the subject. If you’re outside and staying 6 feet away from everyone else there is ZERO reason to wear a mask. Further, if you’re riding a bike and zipping along at 10 MPH, you don’t need a mask on.

    Finally, you are NOT protecting yourself by wearing a regular cloth mask. You are protecting other people. Accordingly if you are staying away from other people, and you’re not in an enclosed space, you don’t need to wear a mask. Nor do you need to wear a mask if everyone you interact with has been found to be free of CV-19. Yet, I see people wearing masks inside their own cars or riding bikes. I guess it does no harm, but its dumb.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  68. Time – why don’t you ever take your own shot instead of commenting on the comments. How often do you ever say anything about the original post, other than orange man bad?

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  69. @68, you mean like this one>

    Or this one?

    or how about this one?

    Time123 (b87ded)

  70. Rcocena, I’m Still waiting for the information to support your #4 btw.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  71. This Tweet from the President who wants to open schools and businesses right away…..

    “Delay the election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???”

    noel (4d3313)

  72. @71, Yup, inconsistent, thoughtless and self serving, that’s our president.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  73. Of course his election tweet came minutes after the 2nd quarter GDP numbers were released.

    noel (4d3313)

  74. And Putin said…. “Why didn’t I think of that?”

    noel (4d3313)

  75. 9-9-9 has passed on from the Rona.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  76. RIP, exemplar. Now I have the bittersweet excuse of playing a Big Daddy Kane mix.

    urbanleftbehind (08b3a1)

  77. But hey lets not care about science. Lets just chant “Wear a mask” over and over.

    I agree, you don’t care about science. Masks work, including the cloth variety, but different masks work differently.

    Paul Montagu (dead92)

  78. Mr. Nein-Nein-Nein went to Trump’s infamous Tulsa rally, maskless and non-socially distanced like everyone else, then caught the CV19 not long after, and now he’s dead. He may have caught it elsewhere because was he maskless at other public appearances, but he followed Trump’s lead instead of the science, all the way to the ICU.
    I predict that Trump will kill tens of thousands more of the very people who would’ve voted for him, because they foolishly listened to a fool, and now they won’t vote for him because they’ll be dead (although if some of those dead Americans are in Chicago, they still may vote for him).
    RIP, Mr. Cain.

    Paul Montagu (dead92)

  79. 50.Texans who keep voting for Louis Gohmert are idiots.

    Untrue.

    All evidence to the contrary.

    Keep it up.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  80. @45. The fact that that hundreds of millions of lives have been, and will be, f*cked up for the foreseeable future due to Trump’s sabotage…

    Blame yourself. Trump is a GOP creation; Reagan Seed. He is you. You spawned the monster who got loose from Trump Tower to terrorize and devour his very creators. Deal with it; ‘denial’ is a river in Egypt.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  81. Mona Charon.

    Queen Irrelevance the First.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. @58. If the GOP is to remain a viable party, Trumpism must be totally excised.

    Not a chance.

    Welcome to 1964.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  83. 78.Mr. Nein-Nein-Nein went to Trump’s infamous Tulsa rally, maskless and non-socially distanced like everyone else, then caught the CV19 not long after, and now he’s dead. He may have caught it elsewhere because was he maskless at other public appearances, but he followed Trump’s lead instead of the science, all the way to the ICU.

    I predict that Trump will kill tens of thousands more of the very people who would’ve voted for him, because they foolishly listened to a fool, and now they won’t vote for him because they’ll be dead (although if some of those dead Americans are in Chicago, they still may vote for him).

    Trump isn’t killing anybody. The hollow, empty party which endlessly peddled ‘personal responsibility’ is.

    Exhibit A- Louie Gohmert.
    Exhibit B- Herman Cain.

    If Trump said shower in bleach then go jump off a bridge– only idiots would do it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  84. If you’re outside and staying 6 feet away from everyone else there is ZERO reason to wear a mask.

    More like 25 feet, if you’re going to allcaps no reason.

    But why not wear a mask if you’re outside your home? What’s it cost you? What if someone does come near you, or you need to go near them? If it only ‘might’ save someone’s life, that is actually worth such a minimal step.

    They are saying the flu is barely being transmitted this year, thanks to the masks. We should really consider using them a lot even outside pandemics. It’s more practical than shirts and less expensive. 🤨

    Dustin (4237e0)

  85. 64. Time123 (53ef45) — 7/30/2020 @ 6:01 am

    I notice conspiracy theorists don’t pay attention to that and just keep repeating dumb stuff like

    ever notice how no one wants to find a cure, just keep us locked down for the election. they can line up to see selmas best but can’t line up to vote

    All that you talked about would not be onconsistent with wating until after the election, because the timetable for avaccine is well after the election. I don;t know that that person is paying attention to the efforts to get a vaccine (I notice that one company. Moderna, wants to make money right from the start and I think they want adouble dose vaccine, and we also seem to have some talk that avaccine won;t last (and thereefore everyone would have to take it every year)

    In any case,a vaccine is not a cure.

    As I said: Efforts to approve a cure (called therapeutics) are moving ahead, though.

    Rather reluctantly and slowly but they are. (To really understand this article, you have to understand something: There’s not a shadow of a doubt that this thing works. Not being snake oil there are no viral Internet videos about it because maybe that might cause the FDA to retaliate)

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-nears-decision-authorizing-covid-19-treatment-with-convalescent-plasma-11596055376

    The Food and Drug Administration is nearing a decision to authorize emergency use of antibody-rich blood plasma from recovered Covid-19 patients for treating those infected with the coronavirus, people familiar with the matter said.

    The authorization could come as soon as next week, according to the people, though the agency could also decide to delay a decision…..

    Now this is already being used, but there are consequences to an FDA decision. 48,000 Covid-19 patients have already gotten it/

    1) Medicare and Medicaid might pay for it

    2) There would be less red tape.

    Michael Joyner of the Mayo Clinic, the principal investigator of the expanded-access study, said in an interview earlier this month that hospitals in virus hot spots giving convalescent plasma are struggling to treat patients while filing case reports and keeping up with data reporting.

    3) They might use it earlier in the disease. Of course there has to be a unnecessary study in which half the patients will get a placebo. Not quite as unethical as what Dr. Mengele did, but it is still, in the real world, unethical to do such a study. They would not be deliberately harming patients and there would still be time to give it, or the much less helpful remdesivir to those who got the placebo. If you want to do a study do one about wich there is some doubt – like comparing convalescent fluid to monoclonal antibodies.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  86. Re; The utility of masks and other preventative measures:

    They recommend complete lockdowns when the virus is infecting 1 in 4,000 people. And various other more limited measures down to 1 in 100,000. And even below 1 in 100,000, contact tracing.

    Because it is contagious. It can explode. It started from almost no cases.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  87. More from the Wall street Journal article today about the cure. The real cure.

    If the plasma’s outpatient use proves effective, “We may rely on this while we wait for a vaccine,” said Clifton Callaway, executive vice chair of emergency medicine at the University of Pittsburgh and one of the principal investigators on the trial.

    William Hartman, a doctor at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, who is treating hospitalized Covid-19 patients with convalescent plasma, said FDA emergency-use authorization may prompt more hospitals to give the treatment earlier.

    “I think the data are pretty clear that using it as early as possible has advantages, and we should explore that possibility,” he said.

    Dr. Hartman and colleagues studied 31 severely ill Covid-19 patients who were hospitalized and received convalescent plasma as part of the expanded access study. The study’s results, which were posted on a public server but haven’t yet undergone peer review, indicated that most of the transfused patients with severe disease didn’t have to go to the intensive-care unit or receive mechanical ventilation.

    The FDA doesn’t want too much publicity about this. It;s that wayy all the time with all treatments for all diseases.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  88. 65.

    Later, she was the first one to smear Buchanan as an anti-Semite when he ran for POTUS in 1992.
    rcocean (2e1c02) — 7/30/2020 @ 6:52 am

    That’s because Pat Buchanan is an antisemite. Color me unsurprised that someone who can’t find a harsh word for the orange bigot also apologizes for an antisemite like Buchanan.

    And before you own me with your signature “Orange Man Bad,” let me to agree with you: The Orange Man Is Bad.

    That’s right. There are bad people in this world. They just can’t, as you would have it, be identified with a mile wide tribal brush. Liberals? Some good, some bad. RINO Neocons? Some good, some bad. Conservatives? Believe it or not, some good, some bad. Bigoted demagogues? ALL BAD. Each and every one. Not because of who they are, but because of what they do.

    Pat Buchanan, Louis Farrakhan, and Donald Trump come from different ideological tribes. But they have one thing in common. They’re all bigoted demagogues. They’re all bad. And you lock arms with two of them.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  89. “let me to agree with you”

    Lol. My wife is Russian. It’s contagious.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  90. 89. lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/30/2020 @ 2:37 pm

    That’s because Pat Buchanan is an antisemite.

    Pat Buchanan is not an anti-semite. He’s pro-Nazi, or pro-Nazi collaborator. What attracted him was the cruelty and the sadism, not the anti-semitism.

    Pat Buchanan, Louis Farrakhan, and Donald Trump come from different ideological tribes. But they have one thing in common. They’re all bigoted demagogues. They’re all bad.

    All liars, but that os derivative of other faults. Basically, lack of empathy.

    Trump is not a racist. What he promotes is not racism, but geographicalism.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  91. I wrote: 19.

    5. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has added face masks to the Congressional dress code,

    61.

    The rule applies to the House floor only so it’s the dress code.

    No, it;s not the dress code. Maybe that would have required a vote to change the rules, (which she would have gotten passed) but, let us say, in the spirit of judicial activism, she chose to do it through interpretation.

    She said that wearing a mask on the House floor was a sign of respect, and therefore. not wearing a facial covering would be considered “a serious breach of decorum” and could lead toa member;s removal from the floor.

    This kind of thing is worthy of Justice Blackmun.

    Facial coverings were already required in committee hearings.

    There is a lot of pushback by lower ranking members of Congress to accept the White House offer of near instant testing results. Till now Speaker Pelosi has been averse to anything that smacks of special privileges or cutting in line for members of Congress and has managed to get Mitch McConnell in the Senate to go along.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  92. Pat Buchanan is not an anti-semite.

    Yeah, he is. When he opposed Desert Storm, he invoked Israel as GWB Bush’s “amen corner”. And anti-Semitic is what pro-Nazis are; it’s part of the package.

    Trump is not a racist.

    Trump is a racist, a well documented racist. You don’t re-tweet guys who chant “white power” if you’re not a racist. You don’t claim there were very fine people on both sides when the only people there were tiki-torch bearing white nationalists.

    Paul Montagu (1ef895)

  93. Norm Podhoretz on Buchanan in 1999, and CJR in 2012 on Buchanan’s execrable book that confirmed his hostility toward Jews.

    Paul Montagu (1ef895)


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