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7/25/2020

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:43 am



[guest post by Dana]

Feel free to share any news items in the comments. Please make sure to include links.

First news item

Tweet regret:

“It used to be in the old days before this, you’d write a letter and you’d say, ‘this letter is really bad,’ you put it on your desk and you go back tomorrow and you say, ‘oh, I’m glad I didn’t send it,’” Trump told Barstool Sports’ founder Dave Portnoy.

“But we don’t do that with Twitter. We put it out instantaneously, we feel great, and then you start getting phone calls, ‘Did you really say this?’ I say, ‘What’s wrong with that?’ And you find a lot of things,” continued the president, who is often the subject of criticism over his use of his Twitter account. “You know what I find? It’s not the tweets, it’s the retweets that get you in trouble.”

Trump went on to say he doesn’t always look closely at the tweets that he shares from his Twitter account, which has 84 million followers.

Second news item

Caught in the crosshairs of the face mask wars:

1. A grocery store employee has been suspended after they pepper-sprayed a customer who became confrontational after being asked to wear a mask and allegedly rammed the worker with a shopping cart.

The supermarket chain Ralphs confirmed on Friday that the employee involved in the July 15 altercation at a Los Angeles location has been suspended despite witnesses who said the worker was defending herself, CBS Los Angeles reported.

2. Police asked for the public’s help Friday to identify a man they say punched a barista over what may have been a dispute over the chain’s face mask policy.

The assault happened at a Starbucks on West Avenue I in Lancaster. According to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, a man punched a barista when employees asked him to put on a mask as he entered the coffee shop.

Third news item

Oregon loses fight with Trump:

Oregon lost a fight with the Trump administration over federal agents’ detention of anti-racism protesters in Portland, as the president takes on Democratic-run states and cities in the run-up to the election.

Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum had asked a federal judge to stop Department of Homeland Security agents and U.S. Marshals from detaining or arresting people without identifying themselves and without probable cause, a warrant or any explanation.

U.S. District Judge Michael Mosman on Friday denied the temporary restraining order she sought, saying the state had failed to prove it had any business suing the U.S. in the first place. Oregon had to show it had standing to sue on behalf of the protesters, defending people who can’t protect themselves, he wrote, and hadn’t.

Related:

The Department of Homeland Security has sent federal agents into Seattle ahead of planned protests this weekend, in a move opposed by both the mayor and the Seattle chief of police. According to U.S. Attorney Brian Moran, the agents are there to protect federal properties like courthouses—one of which was broken into last week. But Mayor Jenny Durkin and nine members of the Washington State congressional delegation, as well as several county officials, have said the move will only increase tensions in the city.

Fourth news item

Supreme Court says “yes” to entertainment gatherings, “no” to church gatherings:

A sharply divided U.S. Supreme Court denied a rural Nevada church’s request late Friday to strike down as unconstitutional a 50-person cap on worship services as part of the state’s ongoing response to the coronavirus.

In a 5-4 decision, the high court refused to grant the request from the Christian church east of Reno to be subjected to the same COVID-19 restrictions in Nevada that allow casinos, restaurants and other businesses to operate at 50% of capacity with proper social distancing.

From Gorsuch:

This is a simple case. Under the Governor’s edict, a 10-screen “multiplex” may host 500 moviegoers at any time. A casino, too, may cater to hundreds at once, with perhaps six people huddled at each craps table here and a similar number gathered around every roulette wheel there. Large numbers and close quarters are fine in such places. But churches, synagogues, and mosques are banned from admitting more than 50 worshippers—no matter how large the building, how distant the individuals, how many wear face masks, no matter the precautions at all. In Nevada, it seems, it is better to be in entertainment than religion. Maybe that is nothing new. But the First Amendment prohibits such obvious discrimination against the exercise of religion. The world we inhabit today, with a pandemic upon us, poses unusual challenges. But there is no world in which the Constitution permits Nevada to favor Caesars Palace over Calvary Chapel.

Fifth news item

Person, woman, man, camera, TV:

Sixth news item

As if the pandemic isn’t enough for Texas, Hawaii and the Carribean to worry about:

Three separate storm systems are threatening the United States and the Caribbean this weekend.

They are Hurricane Hanna in the Gulf of Mexico, Hurricane Douglas in the Pacific Ocean and Tropical Storm Gonzalo in the Atlantic.

Have a good weekend.

–Dana

365 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  2. “Trump went on to say he doesn’t always look closely at the tweets that he shares from his Twitter account, which has 84 million followers.”

    This is FALSE. Trump said he didn’t look at RE_TWEETS as closely as he should. Often he re-tweets and then finds out the person has said OTHER THINGS that are sketchy. IOW, since media practices guilt-by-association, then Trump staff needs almost do background check on the Re-tweeters.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  3. Portnoy got push back from his Barstool partner Katz for even doing the interview, but I could see the main rationale for doing it…Barstool is about to be lapped in the unwoke sports sphere by Outkick. If OAN and Outkick could merge, whoa!

    urbanleftbehind (8ed464)

  4. Funny how Trump used the word “Re-tweets” about 100 times in discussing this, and “Tweet” somehow get used by the media. They are two very different things.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  5. Good morning, Dana.

    I do have one quibble with Gorsuch in the Calvary Chapel case. There’s probably just as much praying in the casinos as there is in the churches.

    nk (1d9030)

  6. Twitter is a hive of villainy and – at best – a showcase for narcissistic displays of mental illness.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  7. There were no hard questions, there were no, you know, follow-ups. You have to have that ready to go,” Katz said of the interview during his radio show Friday. “I don’t think it’s a coincidence that we were offered this at this specific point in time. And that bothers me because it feels like we’re being used in a political race.”

    yeah, he didn’t do a hostile interview – LIKE EVERY MEDIA INTERVIEW OF TRUMP FOR 5 YEARS! Katz turned down an interview with Biden because Biden will NOT do hostile Intereviews with “hard questions”. 100-1 Katz is just another liberal Democrat who’s upset that his partner didn’t do another standard issue DNC-media presser with Trump and ask about Racism, Masks, Russia-Mueller, Trump’s Poll numbers, etc. In other words mimic Chuck Todd, Chris Wallace, and every member of the WH Press Corps.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  8. mr. president tatiana drumpfelschnitzel is like old soviet joke about why kgb agents always go in teams of three

    it is one who can read, one who can write, and one to keep watch on the two intellectuals

    obviously, kgb train tatiana to be the one who can write, not the one who can read

    nk (1d9030)

  9. The amazing thing about 95% of the media (which includes the clowns at SI or EPSN) is they think anyone who does NOT march in Lockstep and ask similar questions, from a Liberal/left POV, on every subject is somehow bad. IOW, being a conformist sheep reporter is a GOOD THING. We must ask Tough questions of Trump and fact check him. If you don’t you’re Hitler. But we must NOT ask Biden any tough questions if you do, you’re Hitler.

    And that is the “Free thinking” “Independent” Press.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  10. I’m tempted to get upset at the Casinos vs. Church SCOTUS Decision but the Nevada voters are getting what they voted for. If you think anyone with (D) after their name is going to help out your Church or treat your religion fairly & without hostility – you’re a boob.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  11. this is why ‘intelligence services’ aren’t worth a cub of spit,

    https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/07/24/meet_steele_dossiers_primary_subsource_fabulist_russian_at_us_think_tank_whose_boozy_past_the_fbi_ignored_124601.html

    except for the late phil haney’s targeting unit, and general flynn’s shop, which produced the libyan country study,

    narciso (7404b5)

  12. Gorsuch couldn’t be more right. This was a terrible USSC decision.
    If they really wanted to be fair about it, they could do like they did at Costco, which was allowing one person for every 250 square feet of store area, or do a percentage of fire-code capacity. But it’s not about fairness in Nevada, it’s about money.
    Our church is kept at 25% capacity by law, with all pews and chairs appropriately distanced and attendance by reservation only. It’s not great, but it’s workable.

    Paul Montagu (0a7316)

  13. Often he re-tweets and then finds out the person has said OTHER THINGS that are sketchy.

    Right, because it’s just not fair, despite this president having the best access to the best information, that Trump didn’t confirm out whether or not the person he re-tweeted was a white nationalist.

    Paul Montagu (0a7316)

  14. “In Nevada, it seems, it is better to be in entertainment than religion. Maybe that is nothing new. But the First Amendment prohibits such obvious discrimination against the exercise of religion.” – Gorsuch

    It ‘seems’ Gorsuch learns the hard way: “entertainment” is the religion in Nevada; ‘Nevada is the only state in the United States where prostitution is legal…’ too.- tripsavvy.com.

    So, “Neil” before the altar of capitalism, bet on 29 black, swing by a buffet, drop your mask for some supper– then drop your shorts for some dessert… at the Chicken Ranch. The house always wins.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. What the Supremes did was decline to suspend operation of the law while the lower court decides the merits of the challenge to it.

    It seems to me that to do so would be to prejudge the outcome of the case in the lower court.

    Dave (1bb933)

  16. it shows they feel confident it will stand, see the immigration pause, so which ‘tick tick boom boom’ are you holding on to now montagu, there was the lie about general flynn, debunked, there was this graham greene peanut gallery, we saw how charlottesville was indeed the marker, that has led to scirocco of defaced and decapitated monuments,

    narciso (7404b5)

  17. Right, because it’s just not fair, despite this president having the best access to the best information, that Trump didn’t confirm out whether or not the person he re-tweeted was a white nationalist.
    Paul Montagu (0a7316) — 7/25/2020 @ 9:54 am

    It sounds to me that you are unhappy that Trump does not practice Political Correctness. Is Trump CIC, or is he chief of Goodspeak?

    felipe (023cc9)

  18. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/28/politics/trump-tweet-supporters-man-chants-white-power/index.html

    tatiana not only does not read, he does not listen either

    that is well known

    nk (1d9030)

  19. and the rioting vuvuzuela, is led by the tides foundation, which has in it’s matryoska shell, a maoist terrorist, who found a corporate hub, she was sentenced for 58 years, clinton sprung her in 16, another way of looking at the dossier, is like an episode of leverage with subtitles, with timothy hutton as christopher steele,

    narciso (7404b5)

  20. @15. Translation- ‘hedging their bets.’ 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  21. personal preference georgian,

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2180812/

    narciso (7404b5)

  22. RIP Peter Green.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  23. There’s probably just as much praying in the casinos as there is in the churches.

    And conversely, there might people in the churches who are just hedging their bet.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  24. ‘gestures of defiance in a time a deceit, are a revolutionary act

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/07/giants-pitcher-sam-coonrod-stands-alone-for-national-anthem/#comments

    narciso (7404b5)

  25. 22… Green… one of the guitar greats…

    The guitar work on this starts off kind of pedestrian, but gets better and better and by the end, it’s like molten lava… https://youtu.be/op2JJC4xGpo

    Colonel Haiku (5b7649)

  26. Peter Green, one of the greats:

    https://youtu.be/dr5r530xkt4
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  27. Wealthy longtime Democratic donors boosted Biden with big checks in the second quarter
    ……..
    They include: billionaire investor George Soros ($500,000), Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskovitz ($620,600), billionaire hedge fund founder and former presidential candidate Tom Steyer ($360,000), philanthropist Susan Pritzker ($300,000), and Kathryn Murdoch ($615,000), co-founder and president of the Quadrivium Foundation and daughter-in-law of Rupert Murdoch, the conservative media mogul. ……..
    …….
    Among the top donors to Trump Victory in the second quarter were Marvel Entertainment chief executive Isaac Perlmutter and his wife, Laura, ($1.15 million); Robert Book, chairman of aircraft maintenance provider company Jet Support Services, and his wife, Amy, ($1.16 million); and Douglas Scharbauer, a Texas-based business executive.
    ……..
    Despite a heavy emphasis during the Democratic presidential primaries on the transparency of donors and limits on the influence of wealthy donors, the groups now working to help Biden in November are accepting money from nonprofits that do not disclosure their donors, often referred to as “dark money” groups.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  28. A Texas hospital overwhelmed by the coronavirus may send some patients home to die
    Government and health officials in Starr County announced this week they are creating committees to review patients’ cases at the Starr County Memorial Hospital in Rio Grande City.

    At least 50% of the patients admitted in the hospital’s emergency room have tested positive for Covid-19, Dr. Jose Vasquez, the county’s health authority, said in a news conference earlier this week.

    “The situation is desperate,” he said.
    ……
    “Unfortunately, Starr County Memorial Hospital has limited resources and our doctors are going to have to decide who receives treatment, and who is sent home to die by their loved ones,” Starr County Judge Eloy Vera wrote in a Facebook post on Thursday. “This is what we did not want our community to experience.”
    ……
    “Those patients who most certainly don’t have any hope of improving, we believe they are better taken care of within their own family in the love of their own home rather than thousands of miles away, dying in a hospital room alone,” Vasquez said.

    At least 40 new coronavirus cases were reported on Thursday in Starr County, bringing the county’s total to 1,701. There have been 17 deaths linked to the virus and 32 others are pending state confirmation, local health officials said.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  29. so they’re going the carrion cuomo way, which you say is the only way to handle things,

    narciso (7404b5)

  30. It’s the one-year anniversary of The Perfect Call!

    Dave (1bb933)

  31. my prediction of roberts in favor of obamacare has no end in sight

    mg (8cbc69)

  32. Ted Corcoran
    @RedTRaccoon
    ·
    I’m a veteran.

    I was shot at with pepper rounds tonight by my own country.
    __ _

    Sunny McSunnyface
    @sunnyright
    ·
    I mean Robert E Lee was a veteran of the Mexican-American War.

    As with him, this is what happens when you decide to side with the people attacking federal institutions because you don’t like the Republican President.
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  33. …so which ‘tick tick boom boom’ are you holding on to now montagu, there was the lie about general flynn, debunked, there was this graham greene peanut gallery, we saw how charlottesville was indeed the marker, that has led to scirocco of defaced and decapitated monuments,

    It sounds like you’re trying to insult me, narciso, but your writing is so gibberishly bad, who can say for sure.
    I’m not sure what lie was “debunked” about Flynn. The guy lied to FBI agents and he ‘fessed up to it under oath in front of two different judges, and we’re not even getting to the part where he showed his disloyalty to America by working for the Turkish dictator while working for Trump.
    As for Charlottesville, when Trump was referring to those “very fine people” on both sides, he referring to events on that infamous Friday night when the tiki-torch bearing racists were chanting “Jews will not replace us!” There were no other groups there, just them. All Trump did on that weekend was further prove that he’s lying racist son-of-a-b*tch. What’s mildly funny is your naive belief that Unite the Right was there to Confederate monuments.
    As for the status statues and monuments, if you’re under the misconception that I approve of mobs taking down statues, you’d be mistaken. It should left to elected officials to make that call.

    Paul Montagu (0a7316)

  34. It sounds to me that you are unhappy that Trump does not practice Political Correctness.

    It’s not about “Political Correctness” when a president re-tweets a guy chanting “white power”, felipe. It’s a tacit endorsement of white nationalism.

    Paul Montagu (0a7316)

  35. when a president re-tweets a guy chanting “white power”, felipe. It’s a tacit endorsement of white nationalism.

    No, it is not. It retweeting a BLM message endorsement of black nationalism?

    felipe (023cc9)

  36. Because your position leaves no room for nuance. Is nuance now to be ignored?

    felipe (023cc9)

  37. Is nuance now to be ignored?

    Nobody does nuance like Donald Trump.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  38. Oops, I mentioned “Trump.” Now someone’s going to say I’m obsessed.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  39. Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/25/2020 @ 12:52 pm

    That’s right, Radegunda, especially if the accuser cannot detect your nuance. Remember every link we provide it tacit endorsement for whatever message our detractors wish to infer from it!

    felipe (023cc9)

  40. “It” = is. Twice, I typed “it” instead of is. What’s up with that?

    felipe (023cc9)

  41. Richard Grenell
    @RichardGrenell
    ·
    Oregonians, your local political leaders have failed you.

    Stop voting for them. twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/stat…
    __ _

    Nicholas Kristof
    @NickKristof

    Rick, come to beautiful Portland, and you’ll find that the “city in flames” narrative is nonsense. There are a couple of blocks in downtown that are in tumult each night, though, partly because the Trump administration dispatched troops to inflame the situation for its benefit.
    __ _

    James Hasson
    @JamesHasson20
    ·
    Kristof is the same guy who went to Pyongyang and tweeted about the lovely pizzerias and stocked grocery stores, so this is pretty on brand.
    __ _

    Bret Weinstein
    @BretWeinstein
    ·
    Mr. Kristof, I’m a liberal Democrat. I live in Portland. You are correct that the mayhem is geographically limited. But the picture you paint is otherwise false. By spreading it you are contributing to the danger that citizens of Portland now face. Portland must enforce the law.
    __ _

    xavi
    @xzapata99
    ·
    I‘m weary of all the political left sycophants mischaracterizing what’s going on in downtown Portland.

    It’s also been that way in that area LONG prior to any federal agents arrival. This is not a chicken or egg problem.
    __ _

    Nicholas Kristof
    @NickKristof
    ·
    In Portland when you’re actually on the ground, you see a huge range of protesters. The majority are peaceful, e.g. moms linking arms. Yes, a minority are violent e.g. throwing water bottles. But the greatest violence, injury and escalation comes from Trump’s federal troops.
    __ _

    Andy Ngô
    @MrAndyNgo

    This is what rioters do to the Portland federal courthouse every single night. #antifa

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1286743324745850880?s=20


    _

    Throwing water bottles”

    lol
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  42. RIP Regis Philbin for career longevity.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  43. “It” = is. Twice, I typed “it” instead of is. What’s up with that?

    You may need a cognitive test.

    Repeat after me: Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

    I never said it would be easy!

    Dave (1bb933)

  44. R.I.P. Regis Philbin

    Silence is golden.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  45. Remember every link we provide it tacit endorsement for whatever message our detractors wish to infer from it!

    I think it’s pretty funny to demand a nuanced reading of tweets by Mr. Un-PC Tells It Like It Is.

    And it’s funny when certain other people who appear to be obsessed with defending every word and action of Trump, every day, have called me obsessed if I pop in once or twice a week and make a Trump-related comment — while they apparently glide right over my comments on music or dogs and cats. Evidently it’s “Trump” that really catches their attention unfailingly.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  46. felipe (023cc9) — 7/25/2020 @ 12:55 pm

    Let me make clear, that Paul did not do this to me! He did it to Trump. Paul is attempting to argue in good faith with me, just as I attempt to argue in good faith with Paul.

    Trying to interpret actions, and then stating your interpretation as statements of fact, is always a biased exercise. Answering the good-faith question: “What did those actions mean,” often employs the use of mind reading to some extent. Intent should be the primary object of our search. Too often projection/wishcasting interferes with our search.

    I am just as prone to this emotional defect as any other, but I am able to say that no all are as “on guard” against it as they should be.

    felipe (023cc9)

  47. You know teh Thing… https://youtu.be/n2lTIh536jY

    Just the guy for NeverTrump!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  48. Did RP also try to mack it to your mom? Or was he just way too verbose for your liking?

    urbanleftbehind (8ed464)

  49. No, it is not. It retweeting a BLM message endorsement of black nationalism?

    Um, yeah it is when Trump is already a documented racist, felipe.
    I don’t know “black nationalism” means. Far as I know, they’re not trying to establish racial superiority over white or Hispanic or Asian people.

    Paul Montagu (0a7316)

  50. Dave (1bb933) — 7/25/2020 @ 1:11 pm

    LOL! Yeah, I cannot say it was an innocent typo, since “s” and “t” are not next to each other. Still, I’m in pretty good shape for the shape I’m in!

    felipe (023cc9)

  51. This just in… Montagu will not bend teh knee…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  52. I don’t know “black nationalism” means.

    Here you go, Paul. Enjoy.

    felipe (023cc9)

  53. Federalism and Law and Order

    ……. President Trump announced that since his “first duty as President is to protect the American people,” the administration was directing a federal response to end “the bloodshed” in American cities. As had been anticipated, he wants to roll-out nationally the wildly successful model of law enforcement that federal officers had demonstrated in Lafayette Park in Washington, D.C. and in Portland, Oregon. Undoubtedly, the repurposed agents from Customs and Border Protection will be welcomed as liberators when they arrive in Chicago and Kansas City.

    ……. The continued effort to send federal agents to carry out crowd control tasks for which they have not been trained has proven to be disastrous and dangerous. The apparent willingness of those agents to ignore routine procedural protections of the rights of American citizens is appalling.
    ……..
    Trump’s announced “surge” of federal forces into American cities is yet another dubious inversion of the American constitutional order. The federal government is one of enumerated powers. The provision of domestic criminal justice is not among those powers. The states were traditionally understood to have broad “police powers,” which gives them the authority to take extraordinary actions to combat an epidemic but also gives them the authority to take routine actions to protect public safety from the violent and lawless. The Constitution vests the states, not the federal government, with the authority to do what the president announced and take measures “to restore public safety, protect our nation’s children, and bring violent perpetrators to justice” and generally respond to “violent crime.”

    ……. Trump’s rhetoric and actions blow right past the constitutional boundaries on that role. The federal government has long been understood to have the means to take reasonable actions to protect its own property, personnel and policies……
    ……..
    But this administration is not content to stay within the narrow boundaries of its constitutional authority. Under the guise of “investigating” attacks on federal buildings, the Department of Homeland Security has sent roving agents out on city streets to round up suspicious persons with little cause. Leveraging state laws that authorize federal law enforcement officers to make arrests when they observe crimes under state law being committed, the Department of Homeland Security has attempted to position itself as a force multiplier for the local police. ……..

    The recent spate of increased violence in cities like Chicago is a serious problem, but it is a state and local, not a federal, problem. ……..
    ………..
    For all the (witnessed) reports of people being dragged off the streets by unidentifiable law enforcement officers into unmarked cars, where are they being held and why aren’t they being charged in federal court? Apparently Trump’s belief in federalism only extends to dodging responsibility for developing a national response to the pandemic.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  54. Well, BNs do tend to be anti immigrant, without regard to legality. In the early 1900s the whole spectrum from WEB DuBois and Booker T Washington cosigned with the Klan on the other 2 Ks. Now it’s a more prison yard and how dare they out-STEM us dislike.

    urbanleftbehind (8ed464)

  55. Trump is already a documented racist, felipe

    In what sense? As a card-carrying member of the KKK? As the bearer of a scarlet letter? My vote goes to “as member of the human race.” If you are not prejudiced, you are not human. Welcome to the human race.

    felipe (023cc9)

  56. HEH.

    “Every human is racist, but not every racist is human.” As DCSCA would add: “That’s entertainment!”

    felipe (023cc9)

  57. Coronavirus kills another 1,000 in Texas in just 10 days
    After the first COVID-19 death in Texas — a 97-year-old man in Matagorda County who died March 15 — it took 53 days before the state reached 1,000 deaths. On Monday, Texas reached 4,020 deaths only 10 days after crossing the 3,000 threshold.

    New coronavirus cases and hospitalizations have been rising fast across Texas since the beginning of June, and the number of deaths is now rising more quickly as well — a “very predictable” outcome, said Catherine Troisi, an infectious disease epidemiologist at UTHealth School of Public Health in Houston.
    …….
    “ We can say for sure that deaths are undercounted,” she said. “If you die and you haven’t had a COVID-positive test, even if you have all of the symptoms, you’re not counted as COVID death.”
    …….
    …….[H]ealth experts said they expect deaths from the virus to continue climbing in Texas for several more weeks, even as some local health authorities see signs of hospitalizations from COVID-19 leveling off. For the past week, hospitalizations have swung between 10,471 and 10,658, for a seven-day average of 10,564.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  58. What’s in a name? – Will I am Shakespeare

    Black nationalism must have been a reaction to White nationalism, right?

    According to Merriam-Webster, the first documented use of the term “white nationalist” was 1951, to refer to a member of a militant group which espouses white supremacy and racial segregation.[16] Merriam-Webster also notes usage of the two-word phrase as early as 192

    ………

    Martin Delany (1812–1885), an African-American abolitionist, was arguably the first proponent of black nationalism.[2]

    felipe (023cc9)

  59. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/25/2020 @ 1:19 pm

    HAH!

    felipe (023cc9)

  60. Cheers to you, felipe.

    mg (8cbc69)

  61. “God Bless America” is nationalism.
    “Vive La France” is nationalism.
    “Rule Brittania” is nationalism.

    “White Power” is American neo-Nazi dog molester.

    American neo-Nazi dog molesters love Drumpfelschnitzel in the worst way, and that’s the way he likes it.

    nk (1d9030)

  62. What is hip?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMXpahmPDFI

    Colonel Haiku (5b7649)

  63. And cheers to you, mg.

    That’s right, nk.

    “[anything] nationalism” is as perverted as

    “[anything] justice”

    felipe (023cc9)

  64. Is that what you took from my comment?

    There’s nothing wrong with nationalism. It’s another word for patriotism. “White Power” is neither nationalism nor patriotism. It’s an American neo-Nazi slogan, used by losers who have nothing else to boast of except their skin color.

    nk (1d9030)

  65. Way back when, when I was young, stupid and drinking I would regret some of my CompuServe posts. Trump is neither young nor drinking, so I wonder what his excuse is? Poor impulse control?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  66. Black nationalism recurs throughout American history, sometimes in the form of black self-reliance sometimes as black separatism. It is a separate path from the mainstream social integration path. See Marcus Garvey, Elijah Muhammad, Stokely Carmichael, Malcolm X and to some degree W E B Dubois for examples.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  67. Liberia.

    nk (1d9030)

  68. SoCal store employees and mask-truthers are all wimps. Here in ABQ, we try to ram bossy employees with cars and the employees pull guns and shoot to kill.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  69. Liberia.

    Indeed. Several “Back to Africa” movements after the Civil War, including Garvey’s.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  70. I think that the US ought to set up Idaho whites-only and Mississippi as blacks-only. With an electoral vote of zero.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  71. Idaho has been invaded by woke white people, probably the same idiots who left california and washington, and spread their stupidity far and wide,

    narciso (7404b5)

  72. nk (1d9030) — 7/25/2020 @ 3:03 pm

    There’s nothing wrong with nationalism. It’s another word for patriotism. “White Power” is neither nationalism nor patriotism.

    I completely agree! My point is that by inserting “White” in front of “nationalism” is a perversion of what nationalism is by making it parochial. Much like “economic” in front of justice perverts the term justice, by seeking to divide meaning.

    It is my fault that I did not make my position clear in my earlier comment. As is usual, I left too much unsaid which lead the reader search of my meaning.

    felipe (023cc9)

  73. which lead the reader [in]search of my meaning.

    Yikes!

    felipe (023cc9)

  74. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/25/2020 @ 3:17 pm

    Thank you, Kevin M. If Paul clicked the link and read it to the end, he would now be familiar with all those names. It is Wiki, of course, but one must start somewhere.

    felipe (023cc9)

  75. “Thank you, Kevin M. If Paul clicked the link and read it to the end, he would now be familiar with all those names. It is Wiki, of course, but one must start somewhere.”

    If he read it to the end, he would also discover that BLM isn’t an example of a black nationalist movement.

    Davethulhu (eadaad)

  76. Yes, since BLM was started by trained Marxists. one could characterize BLM as a false-flag operation.

    felipe (023cc9)

  77. so they are a marxist atheist one, I already showed you the link on another thread, it’s funded by the tides foundation,

    narciso (7404b5)

  78. Way back when, when I was young, stupid and drinking I would regret some of my CompuServe posts.

    When I Was Young – Eric Burdon and teh Animals

    The rooms were so much drabber then
    JFK was a cadaver then
    And times weren’t very hard
    When I was young

    I smoked my first cigarette at ten
    And for girls, I had a bad yen
    My balls had not quite dropped
    When I was young

    When I was young, we didn’t have no color
    Beaver Cleaver
    And Father Knows Best, yes…
    Yeah, when I was young
    When I was young

    I met my first love at thirteen
    I was game and she was seventeen
    And I learned quite a lot when I was young
    When I was young

    Colonel Haiku (5b7649)

  79. “so they are a marxist atheist one, I already showed you the link on another thread, it’s funded by the tides foundation,”

    So what is it about the tides foundation that has brought it to the forefront of your concern? As far as I can tell, it’s a dark money group like American Crossroads or Americans for Prosperity.

    Davethulhu (eadaad)

  80. My point is that by inserting “White” in front of “nationalism” is a perversion of what nationalism is by making it parochia

    What a craptastic sentence! Let me try again.

    My point is that by inserting “white” (or any other word) in front of “nationalism,” you pervert what nationalism is by making it parochial.

    felipe (023cc9)

  81. it’s an umbrella group

    http://leftexposed.org/2015/11/tides-foundation/

    narciso (7404b5)

  82. BLM isn’t an example of a black nationalist movement.

    No, it is not. It is more of the non-non-violent wing of the Integrationist path. At least to the degree it’s about civil rights anyway. Like the Tea Party, it has accumulated activists with rather different messages who muddle the whole movement with their digressions.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  83. narciso (7404b5) — 7/25/2020 @ 3:51 pm

    That’s right narciso, some of us actually read the links you provide!

    felipe (023cc9)

  84. “it’s an umbrella group”

    ok. so?

    Davethulhu (eadaad)

  85. you pervert what nationalism is by making it parochial.

    It’s more that you redefine the nation to a subgroup and cast everyone else into the “other.” Black nationalism is a different animal, as the idea that blacks were part of the larger nation was pretty much a lie at the time. It is more a “we had better hang together, or we will hang separately” kind of thing.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  86. Here you go, Paul. Enjoy.

    Thank you, felipe. You’ll note that none of those black separatists or nationalists have anything to do with Black Lives Matter. I’m not a fan of BLM. To me, they’re just another advocacy group. I don’t like their liberalism, I don’t like their anti-Semitism, and I don’t like their blocking freeways and damaging property during their protests. But their stated goal is to protest peacefully, and they do have legitimate grievances.
    And to address your “room for nuance” comment, I’m simply unable to see Trump as a Man of Nuance. There’s nothing nuancy about him or his tweets or his temperament.

    Paul Montagu (0a7316)

  87. trained Marxists

    Unless you have the misfortune to be North Korean, Marxism has literally nothing to do with anything happening in the world today.

    Not even revolutionaries waste their time reading Marx.

    Dave (1bb933)

  88. @55. Remember him as the motor-mouthed, obnoxious ‘Ed MacMahon’ to Joey Bishop on his ill-fated ABC late night talk show in the ’60s. Not my cuppa TeeVee tea, ulb.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  89. Not my cuppa TeeVee tea, ulb.

    High praise indeed!

    Dave (1bb933)

  90. The best evidence is that BLM is organized and funded by Nike to market its products and to have insurance companies (the ones who insure retailers against theft and vandalism) pay for them.

    nk (1d9030)

  91. VP preference poll of Biden supporters:

    Harris: 19% (-6)
    Warren: 19% (-4)
    Rice: 11% (+5)
    Duckworth: 8% (+3)
    Abrams: 8% (n/c)

    Change from end of June poll in parentheses.

    Dave (1bb933)

  92. Paul Montagu (0a7316) — 7/25/2020 @ 4:09 pm

    Note: I change “It retweeting” to Is retweeting”

    No, it is not. Is retweeting a BLM message endorsement of black nationalism?

    felipe (023cc9) — 7/25/2020 @ 12:37 pm

    Which is why I carefully crafted that statement so that a true answer would have to be “no.”

    Just as a careful viewing of the video retweeted reveals that the chanter of “white power” was not part of a White nationalist movement, but rather responding to the slander of “racist.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  93. The scary thing, DC, is that the radio/WABC version of Sean Hannity comes off sounding like a more meat and potatoes version of Philbin.

    urbanleftbehind (de3d1f)

  94. 68.“God Bless America” is nationalism.
    “Vive La France” is nationalism.
    “Rule Brittania” is nationalism.

    … und “Deutschland Uber Alles”– is dangerous.

    ________

    “There’s nothing wrong with nationalism. It’s another word for patriotism.”

    Sorta… sorta like “Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer.” You’d get no argument from Adolf:

    ‘Nationalism consists in showing interest in the unification of a nation based on cultural and linguistic equanimity. On the other hand patriotism consists in developing love for a nation based on its values and beliefs. This is the major difference between nationalism and patriotism.’ – source, http://www.differencebetween.com

    “Don’t be stupid; be a smarty; come and join the Nazi Party” – Mel Brooks [voiceover] ‘The Producers’ 1967

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  95. @100. Hannity comes off like a rambling Irish drunk, perched on the end bar stool at Moe’s, arguing with the beer tap over why-so-much-foam at closing time. Makes Homer Simpson sound like Einstein.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. ‘Nationalism consists in showing interest in the unification of a nation based on cultural and linguistic equanimity. On the other hand patriotism consists in developing love for a nation based on its values and beliefs.

    Who came up with that? Comintern?

    nk (1d9030)

  97. And to address your “room for nuance” comment, I’m simply unable to see Trump as a Man of Nuance. There’s nothing nuancy about him or his tweets or his temperament.
    Paul Montagu (0a7316) — 7/25/2020 @ 4:09 pm

    I agree, with you. I detect no nuance in any of his tweets that have read. But:

    Because your position leaves no room for nuance. Is nuance now to be ignored?
    felipe (023cc9) — 7/25/2020 @ 12:39 pm

    Refers to my nuance, not Trumps. The following comment demonstrates that you were not the only one who missed my self-reference:

    I think it’s pretty funny to demand a nuanced reading of tweets by Mr. Un-PC Tells It Like It Is. – Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/25/2020 @ 1:16 pm

    In reading Trump’s tweets, I think many grains of salt, followed with pepto-bismal, is what is demanded for some to survive the task.

    felipe (023cc9)

  98. @102

    You’re just jealous of all the quality time Hannity gets to spend with your guy Trump.

    Dave (1bb933)

  99. @96. Hate to break it to ‘ya, Dave, but Bob-For-Texaco-Hope was a helluva entertainer– but not very funny on TeeVee either; unless, of course, he was taking sting from Bing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  100. Who came up with that? Comintern?

    Why I was not consulted??

    Dave (1bb933)

  101. @105. You’re just jealous of all the quality time Hannity gets to spend with your guy Trump.

    Somebody has to do Trump’s drinking for him.

    And lest you forget, Trump is YOUR guy; a GOP creation; the Frankenstein spawned and nurtured in the go-go Reagan cesspool of the 1980s then locked up in Trump Tower–until the monster escaped to devour his very creators. He is the GOP’s ‘Picture Of Dorian Gray.” He is Trump; he is you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  102. Unless you have the misfortune to be North Korean, Marxism has literally nothing to do with anything happening in the world today.

    Yeah, “literally” nothing.

    Outside of economics, Marxism has become a favored theoretical framework in the social sciences. The study of present-day class inequality as well as the studies of race, ethnicity, gender, and disability have all experienced major shifts with the introduction of Marxist theory. Marxism no longer solely applies to economic class struggle, but that experienced when any segment of society is systemically oppressed. For this reason, Marxism has become a significant force in academia today.

    felipe (023cc9)

  103. And lest you forget, Trump is YOUR guy

    Didn’t you vote for Trump?

    This whole ‘I deem thee secretly in this political camp!’ thing is hilarious though. And common.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  104. Was that written 50 years ago?

    Dave (1bb933)

  105. Didn’t you vote for Trump?

    He has confessed to voting for Trump in 2016 primaries.

    Dave (1bb933)

  106. What? Only the U.S. Constitution and statutes are living things which evolve and change their meaning with the times? Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto must remain in 1847 England?

    nk (1d9030)

  107. Was that written 50 years ago?
    Dave (1bb933) — 7/25/2020 @ 5:16 pm

    No. you could click the link and try to ascertain the date of publication if you take comfort from the exercise, but I should want you that the Constitution was written even longer ago.

    felipe (023cc9)

  108. Rep. Ted Yoho removed from board of Christian charity over his comments about Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    A Christian nonprofit organization that fights world hunger asked Rep. Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) to resign from its board after he confronted a female colleague and then reportedly used a sexist expletive after Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) was out of earshot.

    Bread for the World announced Yoho’s resignation in a statement on Saturday, saying that his “recent actions and words as reported in the media are not reflective of the ethical standards expected of members of our Board of Directors.”
    ……..
    Bread for the World in a statement on Wednesday said it was “deeply concerned” with what “we and others perceive to be his non-apology.”

    “Bread for the World is concerned that his behavior in the past few days does not reflect the values of respect and compassion that Jesus calls on us to exhibit every day and we expect from our board members,” the nonprofit said.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  109. Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto must remain in 1847 England?

    Was last time anybody actually read, Comrade.

    Every assertion Marx made about the future course of history has been decisively refuted.

    And to pretend his tedious and discredited scribblings on 19th century economics have any relevance to “race, ethnicity, gender, and disability” today is to beclown oneself. The party has moved on.

    Dave (1bb933)

  110. Dave wrote:

    What the Supremes did was decline to suspend operation of the law while the lower court decides the merits of the challenge to it.

    It seems to me that to do so would be to prejudge the outcome of the case in the lower court.

    Which means, of course, that Calvary Chapel’s constitutional rights to free exercise of religion and free assembly must be held in abeyance until the lower court decides . . . which could take months. So what happens? By the time the lower court takes a decision, Governor Sisolak’s Sisolak’s Führerbefehle # 21 may have already run its course and been lifted, in which case the lower court will boot the suit as moot. The people’s rights will have been trampled upon, and the courts will have stood by and let it happen.

    Here is Justice Alito’s dissent.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  111. And to pretend his tedious and discredited scribblings on 19th century economics have any relevance to “race, ethnicity, gender, and disability” today is to beclown oneself. The party has moved on.
    Dave (1bb933) — 7/25/2020 @ 5:35 pm

    No one is pretending. They are practicing. If you cannot, or will not see it, then I will let you go about your way knowing that I had, at least, tried to bring it to your attention.

    felipe (023cc9)

  112. Reagan Foundation to Trump, RNC: Quit raising money off Ronald Reagan’s legacy

    The Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation and Institute, which runs the 40th president’s library near Los Angeles, has demanded that President Trump and the Republican National Committee (RNC) quit raising campaign money by using Ronald Reagan’s name and likeness.
    ……..
    What came to the foundation’s attention — and compelled officials there to complain — was a fundraising email that went out July 19 with “Donald J. Trump” identified as the sender and a subject line that read: “Ronald Reagan and Yours Truly.”

    The solicitation offered, for a donation of $45 or more, a “limited edition” commemorative set featuring two gold-colored coins, one each with an image of Reagan and Trump. The coins were mounted with a 1987 photograph of Reagan and Trump shaking hands in a White House receiving line — the type of fleeting contact that presidents have with thousands of people a year.

    Friend,” the fundraising email purportedly from Trump said, “I just saw our new Trump-Reagan Commemorative Coin Sets and WOW, these coins are beautiful – I took one look and immediately knew that I wanted YOU to have a set. These aren’t any ordinary coins. They symbolize an important time in our Nation. This year, in addition to being re-elected as YOUR President, it also marks the 40th anniversary of our Nation’s 40th President, Ronald Reagan. Unfortunately, we already sold out of the first batch we had in stock. But I liked these coins so much that I asked my team to rush order another batch for my TOP SUPPORTERS ONLY.”

    It cautioned: “I’ve authorized a very limited production of these iconic coins, which is why I’m ONLY offering them to our top supporters, like YOU. This offer is NOT available to the general public, so please, do NOT share this email with anyone.”
    ……
    In the 1990s, both Reagan and his wife Nancy signed legal documents that granted the foundation sole rights to their names, likenesses and images. …….
    ………
    More grifting from the Grifter in Chief.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  113. Dave wrote:

    Unless you have the misfortune to be North Korean, Marxism has literally nothing to do with anything happening in the world today.

    Not even revolutionaries waste their time reading Marx.

    Marxism/Communism/Socialism have been effective rallying cries . . . to be used by thugs seeking dictatorial power to influence the weak-minded.

    Capitalism is the only economic system we have ever known which has lifted more than a tiny minority above the subsistence level, but capitalism, in giving people the opportunity to be winners, also allows people to be losers, and that upsets just so many people.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  114. The Constitution is not a claim about the present state of the world, so the question of whether it is out of date is moot.

    The article suggests that Marxism is being newly applied as a “theoretical framework” to problems outside economics, when in fact it’s hey-day was, as I pointed out, at least 50 years ago.

    It also points to police and fire departments, public libraries and roads as examples of the fruits of Marxism in our world today, which should dissuade any educated person from taking it seriously.

    Dave (1bb933)

  115. “It also points to police and fire departments, public libraries and roads as examples of the fruits of Marxism in our world today, which should dissuade any educated person from taking it seriously.”

    The “roads” thing is a big libertarian tip-off.

    Davethulhu (eadaad)

  116. Which means, of course, that Calvary Chapel’s constitutional rights to free exercise of religion and free assembly must be held in abeyance until the lower court decides . . . which could take months. So what happens?

    They hold fifty-person and/or remote services?

    Dave (1bb933)

  117. https://wellbeingbrewing.com
    na beer has come a long way
    My choice- although Athletic brewing company puts out a great product as well.

    mg (8cbc69)

  118. 122.The Constitution is not a claim about the present state of the world, so the question of whether it is out of date is moot.

    Context is everything. Unless, of course, you actually believe Sol stood still and The Flintstones is a historic documentary series.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  119. The “roads” thing is a big libertarian tip-off.

    You might have heard of The Appian Way, built in 312-264 BC, and of the Great Library of Alexandria built in the same period. You might have also read that there were police in Athens and firemen in Rome 200 years before that, and that Julius Caesar’s first proconsulship was to maintain the rural roads and cowpaths in Italy.

    nk (1d9030)

  120. More grifting from the Grifter in Chief.

    The brazen dishonesty in that fundraising appeal would make a Nigerian prince blush.

    Dave (1bb933)

  121. @120. Reagan Foundation to Trump, RNC: Quit raising money off Ronald Reagan’s legacy.

    ReallY?! ROFLMAOPIP:

    “Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.”
    More grifting from the ‘Gipper’ in Chief.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  122. “You might have heard of The Appian Way, built in 312-264 BC, and of the Great Library of Alexandria built in the same period. You might have also read that there were police in Athens and firemen in Rome 200 years before that, and that Julius Caesar’s first proconsulship was to maintain the rural roads and cowpaths in Italy.”

    https://i.imgflip.com/49fkm5.jpg

    Davethulhu (eadaad)

  123. Dave wrote:

    Which means, of course, that Calvary Chapel’s constitutional rights to free exercise of religion and free assembly must be held in abeyance until the lower court decides . . . which could take months. So what happens?

    They hold fifty-person and/or remote services?

    Translation: their freedom of religion and assembly are abridged.

    Reichsstatthalter Sisolak’s Führerbefehle #21 stated that churches could allow only 50 people in, regardless of the building capacity, but also allowed casinos, gyms and a few other establishments to have up to 50% of building capacity, which in some cases was more than 1,000 people. Not only was religion being treated differently, but more harshly.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  124. Trump is a Reagan Creation; “Denial” is a river in Egypt.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  125. ***SOCIALISM***

    You have two cows. You give one to your neighbour.

    ***COMMUNISM***

    You have two cows. The State takes both and gives you some milk.

    ***FASCISM***

    You have two cows. The State takes both and sells you some milk.

    ***BUREAUCRACY ***

    You have two cows. The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other and then throws the milk away.

    ***TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM***

    You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows. You sell them and retire on the income.

    ***VENTURE CAPITALISM***

    You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, and then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more.

    Dave (1bb933)

  126. https://i.imgflip.com/49fkm5.jpg

    Davethulhu (eadaad) — 7/25/2020 @ 6:19 pm

    I don’t get it. The Crassus I know of was 200 years later and he decorated the Appian Way with crosses with the defeated slave army of Spartacus nailed on them. Is this off a video-game or something?

    nk (1d9030)

  127. ***COMMUNISM***

    You have two cows. The State takes both and gives you some milk. But the line is so long that by the time you get it it’s gone sour.

    ***FRENCH SOCIALISM***

    You have one cow. You go on strike until the government gives you a second one. In the meantime, who needs milk when you can drink wine?

    nk (1d9030)

  128. And a 100 million dead, as rorschach would say, thats the joke. Actually it was the clown pagliacci he cites.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  129. “I don’t get it.”

    Sorry, just a dumb meme.

    Davethulhu (eadaad)

  130. Translation: their freedom of religion and assembly are abridged.

    You may have noticed that there’s a pandemic raging, and that to limit the spread most of us have had to accept limitations on our freedom to do as we please.

    Not only was religion being treated differently, but more harshly.

    But churches aren’t the only establishments subject to the limit, nor is the purpose to disadvantage them due to their religious activities.

    The 50% vs 50 people distinction is presumably dictated by economic factors (the minimum capacity required for a given type of establishment to be able to operate)

    Dave (1bb933)

  131. They seem like nice people, actually. https://www.ccdayton.org

    nk (1d9030)

  132. Yeah, I also think the Supremes were wrong on this one. If the ostensible purpose of the law is to reduce the spread of Covid-19, the test is not how many customers a casino needs to stay in business, the test is what business will spread Covid-19 more, a casino or a church?

    nk (1d9030)

  133. …the test is what business will spread Covid-19 more, a casino or a church?

    Reaganomics: the one that doesn’t pay any taxes. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  134. If the ostensible purpose of the law is to reduce the spread of Covid-19, the test is not how many customers a casino needs to stay in business, the test is what business will spread Covid-19 more, a casino or a church?

    I don’t think it’s that rigid. Also, the Supremes are not (yet) the ones with the merits of the case before them.

    There are trade-offs involved that can and should be weighed by the elected representatives. How much, and by what measures, to attempt to limit the spread is not something a court can decide.

    The tests (as a fancy-pants lawyer like you knows) are whether the measure serves a secular purpose (it does), whether it unnecessarily entangles government and religion (it doesn’t), and whether there are less burdensome means to achieve the same end (probably something the lower court will ultimately rule on).

    A secular purpose can certainly involve balancing economic and public health concerns.

    Dave (1bb933)

  135. Nope. When a law discriminates on its face, more favorable treatment of casinos than churches, the test is strict scrutiny.

    nk (1d9030)

  136. It’s all about the money. Nevada’s budget has a huge hole in it. Casinos put money in government coffers. Churches don’t.

    norcal (a5428a)

  137. nk,
    Please elaborate. I’m interested.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  138. nk is right. The court has allowed the State to treat churches by a different standard than casinos and other businesses. This raises an equal protection argument. Churches involve the exercise of religion, a right protected by the Constitution, so the law/regulation involved should be reviewed according to the strict scrutiny standard. I haven’t read the decision but it is hard to see how favoring casinos over churches could pass the strict scrutiny test.

    DRJ (aede82)

  139. Nope. When a law discriminates on its face, more favorable treatment of casinos than churches, the test is strict scrutiny.

    It doesn’t discriminate against churches. There are different rules for different types of facilities. Churches are treated the same as certain other types of non-religious establishments.

    Also, it does not necessarily discriminate against churches. A church with 50 seats would be able to operate at full capacity under the present rule. If it were treated like a casino (50%), it could only admit 25.

    Dave (1bb933)

  140. The court has allowed the State to treat churches by a different standard than casinos and other businesses.

    Churches are treated the same as many non-religious establishments.

    What you are saying, in effect, is that churches are entitled to “most favorable treatment” simply by virtue of being churches.

    Why do you hate the First Amendment?

    /sarc

    :)

    Dave (1bb933)

  141. Bad night in Austin

    Dustin (4237e0)

  142. Just read about it, Dustin:

    blockquote> Residents are urged to avoid part of the downtown area following a Saturday night shooting that reportedly left multiple victims in its wake, officials said.

    The incident is said to have occurred just before 10 p.m. at Congress Avenue and 4th Street, officials said via Twitter. Austin-Travis County EMS added the shooting may have resulted in several injuries.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  143. This from Austin-Travis EMS:

    FINAL Shooting at E 6th St / Congress Ave: No additional patients have been found, patient count remains at 1. No other information available at this time

    Dana (25e0dc)

  144. From what I can tell, the distinction relied on in the Nevada restrictions is that churches, theaters, concerts, etc are mass gatherings where a large group congregates together for an extended period in the same place at once. These are subject to the 50-person maximum.

    In Nevada’s policy, casinos, gyms, restaurants, etc are not mass gatherings but places where individuals come and go in the conduct of individual commerce. These have the 50% capacity limit.

    The Supremes basically decided the same question in May, in a case originating in California:

    “Although California’s guidelines place restrictions on places of worship, those restrictions appear consistent with the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment,” Roberts wrote.

    “Similar or more severe restrictions apply to comparable secular gatherings, including lectures, concerts, movie showings, spectator sports, and theatrical performances, where large groups of people gather in close proximity for extended periods of time,” he said.

    Dave (1bb933)

  145. The divide between Antifa and BLM explained.

    https://youtu.be/BOHv0MXVcW8

    beer ‘n pretzels (c63793)

  146. Josh Blackmon explains why this decision is wrong, Dave. It isn’t enough to say there are different groups and treatment or standards involved. If you are not treating churches at least as well as the favored groups then you need a very strong reason why:

    In other words, if the religious institution is denied the favored status, the state needs to justify that denial. Kavanaugh frames the burden in terms of a “sufficient justification.” I think strict scrutiny is warranted. (And Kavanaugh joins Alito’s dissent, which applies strict scrutiny; more on that later.)

    DRJ (aede82)

  147. That does not seem like a random shooting. It almost seems targeted. Are the early reports correct that only one person was shot?

    DRJ (aede82)

  148. no

    Dustin (4237e0)

  149. Targeted against the cause or targeted against one individual in particular for, say, street business or domestic/personal reasons?

    urbanleftbehind (de3d1f)

  150. Based on this tweet, it sounds like just one casualty: the guy killed: https://twitter.com/ATCEMS/status/1287234269870522369

    Based on the description of the shooting (car drives up to/into crowd, driver starts shooting), I don’t think the victim was specifically targeted. I don’t think the car in question is the one visible in the video.

    Davethulhu (eadaad)

  151. I wasn’t there but I have been texting a friend who was while reading the news and don’t want to cause anyone problems confusing what is and isn’t out there yet.

    One thing I am pretty miffed about: while they were giving CPR, what I hear was a great effort , the responders couldn’t communicate because of the megaphones blasting away at them. you can’t see behind you when you’re giving CPR. Normal in a downtown protest, sure, but some of these people never fail to disappoint me.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  152. APD press conference just said only one person was shot, which is definitely not what the initial reports were. Also that the victim may have been carrying a rifle and approached the shooter’s vehicle. They also say the shooter is cooperating.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  153. Black lives matter militia and john brown gun club confront right wing militia today in louisville ky. Shots fired.

    asset (4c187c)

  154. Is it common for protesters to carry weapons? I understand these protests can get tense but that seems the opposite of what someone attending a peaceful protest would do. At the very least, carrying a long gun in a crowded Austin protest seems “calculated to alarm.”

    DRJ (aede82)

  155. Yes, open carry protesters aren’t unusual in Austin. Usually they leave the rifle slung on their backs. I agree that holding the rifle is brandishing, but I don’t know if he was holding it. Add in to that that everyone is wearing a mask, and people tend to be a little more volatile if they think they are anonymous.

    A lot of the things I’ve heard are conflicting. Such a chaotic mess. At least two families just had their lives flipped upside down.

    I hope they don’t send in those DHS guys.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  156. It is sad. It may also be hard to find neutral witnesses.

    DRJ (aede82)

  157. In the 1970’s, I was caught up in the middle of an East Austin protest that turned into a riot. Things went South in mere minutes. It was dangerous and seemed like total chaos to me.

    DRJ (aede82)

  158. Josh Blackmon explains why this decision is wrong, Dave.

    I don’t find the arguments persuasive at all. The dissents are based on specious reasoning and false premises.

    Kavanaugh writes:

    Nevada’s rules reflect an implicit judgment that for-profit assemblies are important and religious gatherings are less so; that moneymaking is more important than faith during the pandemic.

    Utterly false, dishonest AND inflammatory.

    Nevada also makes money from shows and entertainments that are restricted in the same way. If all they were concerned about was money, they would allow those. But they don’t.

    Having hundreds of people sitting in a closed space, breathing each others’ exhalations for hours, like in a theater or church, is far different from the level of exposure that would result from visiting a reduced capacity restaurant or casino.

    Kavanaugh apparently wants to decide the case on its merits before the lower court has a chance:

    The State has not explained why a 50% occupancy cap is good enough for secular businesses where people congregate in large groups or remain in close proximity for ex-tended periods—such as at restaurants, bars, casinos, and gyms—but is not good enough for places of worship. Again, it does not suffice to point out that some secular businesses, such as movie theaters, are subject to the lesser of a 50-person or 50% occupancy cap. The legal question is not whether religious worship services are all alone in a disfavored category, but why they are in the disfavored category to begin with.

    And the answer to the question is: not because of any purpose to impede the free exercise of religion.

    It is not for the Supreme Court to set public health policy for the states. They are in the so-called disfavored (actually “more protected” would be a better way to put it, since the rationale is to protect people from a lethal disease) category because large, hours-long indoor gatherings of hundreds of people, have been determined to present more health risk than other types of activities.

    The “explanation” Kavanaugh wants will presumably be provided in the course of the lower court hearings or briefs, if it hasn’t been already (which I doubt).

    If anyone wants to talk about irreparable harm, then compare the relatively minor inconvenience of holding services in smaller groups and/or holding online services, which responsible churches across the country are doing, to the devastating and irremediably lethal consequences of even one avoidable “super-spreader” event.

    People just can’t seem to look beyond their selfish impulses and childish insistence on having everything their way. We’ve been suffering with the consequences of that mindset for almost four months now, and if people like Kavanaugh have their way, there’s no end in sight.

    Dave (1bb933)

  159. Weird – not a word about the Austin shooting on CNN’s homepage.

    Dave (1bb933)

  160. nk,
    Please elaborate. I’m interested.

    Dana (25e0dc) — 7/25/2020 @ 8:39 pm

    I turned in early, Dana. DRJ’s links at 146 and 154 say what I might have said.

    There was no Court opinion as such. Only a one-sentence order denying certiorari. The three dissents from the denial are here, all captioned “Calvary Chapel Dayton Valley v. Sisolak”.

    nk (1d9030)

  161. Where the secularist argument goes wrong is in viewing churches the same way as movie theaters, restaurants, and casinos, and weighing their relative importance to the state in the analysis.

    Nope! No, nyet, nein, οχι. That question has already been decided by the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. Freedom of religion is super-important, period. We don’t care if Bugsy Siegel’s successors think casinos are more important. We only care if attending church is more dangerous relative to the spread of Covid-19 than going to a casino.

    nk (1d9030)

  162. Dave wrote:

    From what I can tell, the distinction relied on in the Nevada restrictions is that churches, theaters, concerts, etc are mass gatherings where a large group congregates together for an extended period in the same place at once. These are subject to the 50-person maximum.

    In Nevada’s policy, casinos, gyms, restaurants, etc are not mass gatherings but places where individuals come and go in the conduct of individual commerce. These have the 50% capacity limit.

    In Justice Alito’s dissent, he noted that many casino patrons casino-hopped during an evening, and that behavior around the craps table is normally much closer and more intimate than in a church practicing social distancing techniques. What he did not mention — unless I missed it — is that the casinos are open seven days a week, while most churches have large services only on one day per week.

    Think about how a restaurant operates. The people seated closest to you will change as time passes. The group there before you were seated will finish their meals, and then another group will take their place. All other things being equal, you will have been exposed to several times as many people in a restaurant as in church.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  163. Dave wrote:

    Having hundreds of people sitting in a closed space, breathing each others’ exhalations for hours, like in a theater or church, is far different from the level of exposure that would result from visiting a reduced capacity restaurant or casino.

    Calvary Chapel was arguing that it should be held to the same 50% capacity standard, not that it should not face any standards. The church was already practicing social distancing, and 50 people was well below the 50% capacity standard.

    More, the parishioners would all be the same people, while in a restaurant or casino or gym, the people to whom you would be exposed would be continually changing. The more different people, the greater the chances that one would have COVID-19, so the greater your exposure risk.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  164. The church service only lasts one hour. https://www.ccdayton.org There are three on Sundays and one on Wednesdays.

    And I guess they’re small “b” baptist fundamentalists but apparently not Calivinist. https://www.ccdayton.org/statement-of-faith

    nk (1d9030)

  165. The Constitution gives things like religion and speech special status (or as Kavanaugh says, favored status). That is why courts require strict scrutiny when government discriminates against (disfavors) them. It must be justified by more than saying it seems ok.

    This was a decision on whether the courts should impose a temporary restraining order/preliminary injunction on the government to prohibit these rules from infringing on churches pending a final decision. The final decision could say this government action was discrimination and cannot be done in the future. Roberts could have joined with the liberals in principle or for a procedural or even a sympathetic reason (since we know Ginsburg has health problems). It may be a bad sign for religious cases, though.

    DRJ (aede82)

  166. Some might argue that churches can’t ever be infringed, just as some think gun rights should never be limited because of the Second Amendment. But there can be restrictions on both when needed. The discussion in strict scrutiny is typically whether the law being reviewed furthers a “compelling governmental interest” and government must “narrowly tailor” the law to achieve that interest.

    DRJ (aede82)

  167. To me, the government has a compelling government interest in regulating occupancy at events during a pandemic. However, I think the Nevada plan for limits on churches is not narrowly tailored to protect the free exercise of religion. In fact, it protects casino attendance more than church attendance.

    In Texas, the Governor and AG have deemed churches and gun stores as providing essential services, which IMO is more consistent with the Constitutional framework.

    DRJ (aede82)

  168. I view the discussion regarding exposure to Covid at casinos vs churches as persuasive, but this case isn’t at the stage where those matters have been factually determined. At this early stage, the role of the court is to decide whether the church and its members will suffer “irreparable harm” unless the injunction is issued.

    I have no doubt that many people view attending church as unimportant and that limiting attendance for a few months is necessary to protect the public. But the same could be said about casinos, and there is no casino clause in the Constitution.

    DRJ (aede82)

  169. Dave wrote:

    It is not for the Supreme Court to set public health policy for the states. They are in the so-called disfavored (actually “more protected” would be a better way to put it, since the rationale is to protect people from a lethal disease) category because large, hours-long indoor gatherings of hundreds of people, have been determined to present more health risk than other types of activities.

    No, it isn’t the job of the Supreme Court to set public health policy for the states; the job of the Supreme Court is to protect our constitutional rights; in this instance, the Court has failed.

    I am amused that you have defined those whose rights are “disfavored” as “more protected.” Church attendance is entirely voluntary in the United States; those who attend are choosing to attend, despite all of the warnings from public officials, warnings nobody could have missed. They choose to attend, even knowing that other people have chosen to attend as well.

    In how many other things do you believe the state should have the authority to take our personal choices for us because you believe the state to be the font of all wisdom?

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  170. Well said, Dana.

    DRJ (aede82)

  171. Just as a careful viewing of the video retweeted reveals that the chanter of “white power” was not part of a White nationalist movement, but rather responding to the slander of “racist.”

    The point is not whether that racist in the golf cart is part of one movement or another, felipe, it’s that Trump tacitly endorsed his “white power” point of view with the retweet, and it’s not comprehensible to raise your fist and say “white power” when a protester calls Trump a racist.
    If you want me to be Joe Nuance here, there are a couple of possibilities: Trump is a racist and didn’t give a rip whether the guy in the golf cart chanted “white power”, or Trump is so careless and so lacking in any diligence that he only saw the first seven seconds, thought “yes, the guy loves me”, hit the “stop” button and did the dirty tweety deed. However, Trump’s racism is well out there, so I’m disinclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
    Oh, and thank you for correcting my typos. It’s why I wish Patterico would adopt Disqus instead of keeping this dinosaur commenting system where you can’t edit a comment after hitting “submit”.

    Paul Montagu (0a7316)

  172. DRJ wrote:

    I view the discussion regarding exposure to Covid at casinos vs churches as persuasive, but this case isn’t at the stage where those matters have been factually determined. At this early stage, the role of the court is to decide whether the church and its members will suffer “irreparable harm” unless the injunction is issued.

    That’s the problem: by not issuing the injunction, the Court has decided that the church will not suffer ‘irreparable harm’, but that is a decision which ought to be protected by the First Amendment, and not subject to government decision taking.

    In all probability, the restrictions will be loosened before the courts ever decide on the merits of the case, rendering the lawsuits moot. But moot doesn’t mean no decision; moot has the practical application of saying that the State has the right to take such decisions, because it did, and the decisions were not overturned in court.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  173. What Kavanagh falsely asserts, and my friends here keep insisting, is that the 50-person/50% distinction originates from some type of value judgment about the relative worth or importance of churches vis-a-vis casinos. But it does not, and the dissents amount to little more than question-begging in an attempt to reargue a case the court decided less than two months ago.

    Dave (1bb933)

  174. Nearly 3 in 4 Voters Support State Face Mask Mandate With Penalties for Those Who Don’t Comply
    ……….
    In the July 17-19 poll, 72 percent of voters said they support a mandate in their state that would require people to wear a face mask in public places and could punish those who don’t with a fine or jail time. Twenty-one percent of respondents said they’d oppose such a requirement, less than half the share who would strongly back it (53 percent).

    A statewide mask mandate had the strongest support among Democratic voters, with 86 percent backing the rule, including 71 percent who said they “strongly support” it. A majority of Republicans (58 percent) also backed the proposal, though they were nearly half as likely as Democrats to say they strongly support such a measure. Over one-third of GOP voters opposed the face mask mandate. Among independents, 68 percent backed the rule, with 23 percent opposing it.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  175. An atheist liberrtarian might also wish to consider whether de jure (that means by law) discrimination is not a matter of sentiment (fairness) but rather a matter of logic. The government passes a law that takes away the freedom of two groups of people, but not as much from one group as from the other. Now, if the government can make that distinction, maybe that law should not exist at all, for either group? Just a thought.

    nk (1d9030)

  176. In how many other things do you believe the state should have the authority to take our personal choices for us because you believe the state to be the font of all wisdom?

    Let’s start with cases where your “personal choices” could result in grave physical harm to me, and many others.

    Dave (1bb933)

  177. Some guy from the esteemed Lori Lightfoot’s home town wrote:

    The church service only lasts one hour.

    Catholic Mass normally lasts an hour, though some, such as on Palm Sunday, go over. For those who aren’t Catholic, but want to understand the Mass, EWTN (Channel 370 on DirecTV) broadcasts Mass at 8:00 AM, noon and 7:00 PM daily. And that Mass uses the Latin responses, though it’s not a true Tridentine Mass.

    I know that some Protestant services can last longer than that.

    My parish priest can’t let Mass run too long, because he serves two parishes, and has to drive 20 miles over winding mountain roads to get to his second parish.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  178. Rip @ 186. Well, you can put me in the strongly opposed group. I wear a mask but the only people I bully to wear one too are my daughter, her mother, and my brother, and I definitely don’t want some dipstick with a badge and a Taser bullying them.

    nk (1d9030)

  179. Dave 185,

    I understand that you see the logic in Nevada’s plan but that isn’t the issue. It is premature to talk about whether the Nevada plan is effective. At this stage, the issue is whether churches are being infringed by limiting attendance and whether that infringement constitutes an irreparable harm. (Churches get that special consideration because of the status of religion in the Constitution.)

    It is clearly an infringement to limit attendance. People can differ regarding whether it is an irreparable harm but the bar in strict scrutiny cases is very low.

    DRJ (aede82)

  180. Dave responded:

    In how many other things do you believe the state should have the authority to take our personal choices for us because you believe the state to be the font of all wisdom?

    Let’s start with cases where your “personal choices” could result in grave physical harm to me, and many others.

    And so many on the left argue for gun control, and more than just restrictions but the complete banning of private firearm ownership, because someone’s “personal choice” to own a firearm could result in “grave physical harm” to others, if the gun owner uses his firearm illegally.

    In this instance, you have every right to stay physically away from me if you believe that, heaven forfend!, I went to Mass. The recommendations for ‘social distancing’ have pretty much been followed, and unless I decide to bull-rush you, you have the right and ability to stay away from me.

    You have decided that the state can and should limit an expressly-stated constitutional right because it might lead to someone else who would otherwise not become infected becoming infected, and who then might come too close to you, and you therefore might become infected yourself where you otherwise would not have. Whole lot of “mights” in that!

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  181. The purpose of a preliminary injunction hearing is to decide who should prevail while the court case is pending. It is designed to protect rights until the court case concludes. This is not protecting religious rights.

    DRJ (aede82)

  182. At least two of the Catholic churches I drive by on the way to mine have multiple services on Sunday, in Spanish, Polish, and English.

    nk (1d9030)

  183. @187

    If someone reasons that no law having disparate impact on any two chosen groups should stand, then I think they are objectively anarchist, not libertarian…

    Dave (1bb933)

  184. Mr Murdock wrote:

    Nearly 3 in 4 Voters Support State Face Mask Mandate With Penalties for Those Who Don’t Comply

    That’s kind of the point of the Bill of Rights, that the majority cannot exert a tyranny over the minority.

    I believe that the various government authorities have every right to ask people to wear masks, to practice social distancing, etc, but I’ll be damned if I’ll accept the thoroughly repugnant notion that they have the authority to order us to do so.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  185. Ditto nk 190. I wear a mask. I don’t care if others wear masks or not, and I don’t want the police involved.

    DRJ (aede82)

  186. Polish? Love it.

    DRJ (aede82)

  187. 79% In Florida Say Require Face Masks In Public, Coronavirus Handling Weighs On DeSantis, Trump Numbers, Quinnipiac University Florida Poll Finds; Biden Opens Up A Double-Digit Lead In 2020 Race
    With a surge of coronavirus cases in Florida making it a hotspot, voters say 79 – 20 percent that people in the state should be required to wear face masks in public, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University poll of registered voters in Florida released today. There is overwhelming support for requiring face masks among all ages and every other listed demographic group.

    Eighty-three percent say the spread of the coronavirus is a serious problem in the state, while 16 percent say it is not.

    Seventy percent consider the spread of the coronavirus in Florida “out of control.” Twenty-four percent say it is “under control.”
    ……..
    With the start of the school year approaching, more than six in ten voters, 62 to 33 percent, think it will be unsafe to send students to elementary, middle and high schools in the fall.
    …….
    Governor DeSantis is pressing to resume in-person classes in Florida for the start of the school year and President Trump is doing the same nationwide. Voters disapprove of those plans by wide margins.

    Governor DeSantis’ handling of the reopening of schools: 56 percent disapprove, 37 percent approve.

    President Trump’s handling of the reopening of schools: 59 percent disapprove, 36 percent approve.

    “DeSantis’ commitment to putting students in classrooms in the fall is a non-starter with voters. From elementary school kids to collegians, Floridians are saying ‘forget it,'” said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy.
    ……….
    Governor DeSantis receives a negative 41 – 52 percent job approval, a 31-point swing in the net approval from April when he received a positive 53 – 33 percent job approval rating. Today’s numbers are the lowest for DeSantis since taking office in 2019.
    ……..
    President Trump receives a negative 40 – 58 percent job approval in Florida, down from a 45 – 51 percent approval rating in April.
    …….
    In the race for the White House, former Vice President Joe Biden opens up a big lead over President Trump. Voters back Biden 51 – 38 percent over Trump. In an April 22nd poll, it was close with Biden at 46 percent and Trump at 42 percent.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  188. Our Windy City barrister wrote:

    At least two of the Catholic churches I drive by on the way to mine have multiple services on Sunday, in Spanish, Polish, and English.

    Meeting the demand!

    I’ve lived in cities where multiple Sunday Masses were needed due to the size of the parish, and native languages of the parishioners. And when I lived in the First State, I lived next door to a Korean Christian (Methodist?) Church.

    Now that I’m out in the country, we have one quite elderly priest serving two parishes. I thought our parish was small — maybe 40 people at Sunday Mass before the COVID problem — until the Sister told me the second parish was even smaller.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  189. Couple flaunt swastika face masks at southwestern Minnesota Walmart
    ……..
    “If you vote for Biden, you’re going to be living in Nazi Germany,” the woman with the swastika mask told (Raphaela Mueller, the vicar of a southwest Minnesota parish), as her companion bagged up toilet paper and an enormous canister of cheeseballs. The two were apparently using the masks to protest Minnesota’s mask mandate, which took effect Saturday.

    Per the store’s request, law enforcement served trespass notices to the 59-year-old man and 64-year-old woman, warning them that if they will face arrest should they return. The two departed without incident and charges were not pursued.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  190. Chicago used to be the second largest Polish city as well as the second largest Greek city, next to Warsaw and Athens respectively, and if it has lost that status it’s because of urbanization in Poland and Greece.

    nk (1d9030)

  191. DRJ wrote:

    Ditto nk 190. I wear a mask. I don’t care if others wear masks or not, and I don’t want the police involved.

    I willingly complied with Governor Beshear’s request that I wear a mask in certain situations, but I’ll be damned if I can support his order that we do so. If I were single — my wife is 60 years old, and an RN — I would deliberately disobey the mask order in protest of Reichsstatthalter Beshear’s Führerbefehle.

    Were this 1776, Herr Beshear would have an unfortunate encounter with tar and feathers. That’s a tradition I believe should return.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  192. @193

    Life is also an important right that should be protected.

    Much like the privacy argument made on behalf of abortion rights, the free-exercise argument here would be a slam dunk if there were no other lives involved. But there are.

    Dave (1bb933)

  193. they will demand you take an untested vaccine, you show your immunity certificate, that’s the pattern for european passports, and every damn think they think they can can demand from you,

    narciso (7404b5)

  194. KRON4 News
    @kron4news

    #BREAKING UPDATE: Oakland police say demonstrators in the area of 17th and Lakeside are breaking windows and “chanting racial slurs” at residents.
    __ _

    Jim Bob Levy
    @geotexasjew
    ·
    Such peaceful demonstrators.
    __ _

    Straight Out of Compton
    @mcompton78
    ·
    If they’re breaking stuff and assaulting residents, it’s a riot
    __ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
    ·
    Ah weird. Trying to find the common denominator between Oakland, Seattle, Portland, New York, LA and Denver and man, just like the rest of our media, I am stumped.
    __ _

    Sensurround
    @BBC_dip
    ·
    Like that’s any different from any saturday night

    _

    harkin (5af287)

  195. ‘It’s my constitutional freaking right': Black Americans arm themselves in response to pandemic, protests
    ……..
    Since the beginning of the pandemic, there has been growing interest among African Americans in arming themselves, as evidenced by increased membership in Black gun owner organizations.
    …….
    Their reasoning has become much harder to ignore, especially as social media sites and phone videos turned into tools of capturing and responding to instances of police brutality. Floyd’s death catalyzed international protest in part for this reason. The video of Ahmaud Arbery, who was killed by white vigilantes in a Georgia suburb garnered similar levels of attention, as did that of Atlanta’s Rayshard Brooks, who was shot in the back by a police officer following a confrontation.
    ………
    While the vast majority of demonstrators across the U.S. this summer have been unarmed, some have sought to make a statement with their guns. In Stone Mountain, Georgia, an open carry state, at least 150 African-Americans asserted their Second Amendment Right as a tool of protest. Dressed in black and armed with automatic rifles, the group marched through Stone Mountain park to protest its depiction of Confederate generals.
    …….
    Their demonstration and others have drawn the ire of some conservatives. Georgia Sen. Kelly Loeffler decried the “mob rule” in Atlanta during a June 24 interview on Fox News, as the cable network played images of Black protesters carrying semi-automatic weapons. “We’re a nation of the rule of law and this is exactly what will happen if we defund the police,” Loeffler warned.
    …….
    Attempts to fan fears of armed, militant Black Americans is not a new political tactic. FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover described the Black Panther Party, which advocated for African-Americans to take up guns as a form of self-defense, as “the greatest threat to internal security of the country” in 1969. Concerns about the group in the late 1960s even prompted the National Rifle Association, no fan of gun restrictions, to partner with then-California governor Ronald Reagan to pass gun control legislation that limited open carry at the state capitol.

    Black gun owners of this era, however, maintain that their firearm ownership is not evidence of something more sinister, nor is it the violent show of force that some conservatives have made it out to be.

    “It’s my constitutional freaking right,” said Kat Traylor, a political strategist and licensed gun owner based in Aurora, Colo. Her city is home to one of the most violent mass shootings in American history……..
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  196. 206. I would apologize on behalf of my ancestors for the sin of democracy, but Spartan citizens did not get to vote until age 30, after 10 years military service which itself had been preceded by 13 years of military school, so I won’t. We gave you what could have been a good thing and you ruined it.

    nk (1d9030)

  197. CNN Polls: Biden leads in three key states Trump won in 2016
    ………
    In Florida (51% Biden to 46% for President Donald Trump) and Arizona (49% Biden to 45% Trump), registered voters break in Biden’s favor by single-digit margins, while in Michigan, Biden’s lead stands at 52% to 40%, matching the national average for the presidential race per the most recent CNN Poll of Polls.

    Trump carried all three states in 2016, with his narrowest win in any state coming from Michigan, which he carried by only 10,704 votes. The poll results are among registered voters, but when looking only at those who say they are most likely to vote in this fall’s election, support for the two candidates remains about the same.

    Nearly all recent high-quality polling out of Florida and Michigan has shown Biden with an edge there, while in Arizona, there has been a mix of Biden leads and results within each poll’s margin of error. ………
    ……
    …….[O]n coronavirus and racial inequality, two issues which have dominated the national conversation in the last few months, Trump’s disapproval stands around 60% across all three states. ……….
    ……..
    Biden’s advantage in all three states is largely attributable to his edge among women. He earns the support of 61% of women in Michigan, 56% in Arizona and 53% in Florida. The differences in how women vote across states are largely due to differences in support among White women. ……. Biden holds wide leads among women of color across all three states.
    ……..
    The Democratic candidates hold leads in the Senate races in both Arizona and Michigan, according to the polls. In Michigan, incumbent Democrat Gary Peters tops Republican John James 54% to 38%. In Arizona, Democratic challenger Mark Kelly leads Republican Sen. Martha McSally by 50% to 43%.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  198. Kentucky’s mask mandate is authorized under the duly-enacted laws of the state, which give the governor broad power to protect the population during an emergency.

    It’s funny how people’s devotion to law and order is so situational.

    Dave (1bb933)

  199. The point is not whether that racist in the golf cart is part of one movement or another, felipe, it’s that Trump tacitly endorsed his “white power” point of view with the retweet, and it’s not comprehensible to raise your fist and say “white power” when a protester calls Trump a racist.

    The point you layout in the first part of your sentence, up to the first comma, is the point I am making. The point you layout afterwards is the point you are making. Together you and I are arguing two different points. Can we both agree that this is what is happening? If so, we can stop talking past one another and simply come to the mature understanding that neither of us had persuaded the other.

    it’s not comprehensible to raise your fist and say “white power” when a protester calls Trump a racist.

    Comprehensible or not, it is typical human behavior to mock people with a parody of whatever is aimed at them.

    If you view the video and hear the slenderer say “Trump is a racist!” Then you are well justified in your statement. But if the slanderer said “racist, racist!” while looking directly at the counter-protester, causing him to mock the slanderer with “white power!”then I am well justified.

    I will accept a third party’s judgement. What say you?

    This link is provided for the convenience of anyone who wishes to decide the matter for us.

    Paul, let us let the matter end with the judgement, please.

    felipe (023cc9)

  200. RIP Olivia de Havilland (104).

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  201. Whole lot of “mights” in that!
    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/26/2020 @ 8:12 am

    Which is why it is such a “might-y” argument! [I know. Groan]

    felipe (023cc9)

  202. Much like the privacy argument made on behalf of abortion rights, the free-exercise argument here would be a slam dunk if there were no other lives involved. But there are.

    Dave (1bb933) — 7/26/2020 @ 8:29 am

    I get that, and if the merits of the Nevada plan were before the court, it should consider that argument. But this hearing was about whether there is a compelling government interest for choosing a plan that discriminates in favor of casinos, etc., and against churches, and specifically whether the Nevada plan causes irreparable harm to churches pending the case being heard.

    IMO your point goes solely to the issue of a compelling government interest in making occupancy regulations during a pandemic. I agree with you on that — the government does have that interest. But you have not addressed irreparable harm or whether this plan is narrowly tailored so that it does not unduly infringe on the Constitutionally protected religious interests involved. The strict scrutiny standard applies and it is very demanding when Constitutional rights are involved.

    NOTE: There are other standards that apply when Constitutional rights are not involved — the intermediate and rational basis standards. This would almost certainly meet the rational basis standard, which generally allows any facially reasonable law. It might well meet the intermediate standard at trial because there are reasons that can be argued in support of the plan.

    What I think you are missing is this wasn’t a trial to compare the viability of various plans. the State government picked the plan. This was a hearing to evaluate whether the plan government picked comports with Constitutional protections for religious entities, and the burden was on the government to show there are no other ways to protect the public without infringing on church attendance. It is reasonable to believe churches have to take measures to protect the public just like everyone else. IMO it is not reasonable to say churches need more restrictions than casinos, especially since the Constitution specifically favors churches but not casinos.

    DRJ (aede82)

  203. the irony is the company chose him over the algerian who wanted to hold on to western culture, that would be frantz fanon,

    “Two centuries ago, a former European colony decided to catch up with Europe. It succeeded so well that the United States of America became a monster, in which the taints, the sickness and the inhumanity of Europe have grown to appalling dimensions”

    narciso (7404b5)

  204. nk (1d9030) — 7/26/2020 @ 8:48 am

    Great comment, man.

    felipe (023cc9)

  205. #213

    So Trump might really be retweeting the idea that shrieking White Power at the people who call you racist is what we, as a country, need right now.

    If you prefer that construction, you are welcome to it.

    Appalled (9b36fa)

  206. Police Tell Business Owners and Residents in Seattle ‘You’re on Your Own’

    “ Please also know that the City Council Ordinance 119805 Crowd Control Tool goes into effect this weekend on Sunday, July 26, 2020. This ordinance bans Seattle Police officers the use of less lethal tools, including pepper spray that is commonly used to disperse crowds that have turned violent. Simply put, the legislation gives officers NO ability to safely intercede to preserve property in the midst of a large, violent crowd.

    It is important to bring to your attention that yesterday, I sent the City Council a letter ensuring them that as the Chief of Police, I have done my due diligence of informing them numerous times of the foreseeable impact of this ordinance on upcoming events. The letter is attached for your reference.

    For these reasons, Seattle Police will have an adjusted deployment in response to any demonstrations this weekend – as I will never ask our officers to risk their personal safety to protect property without the tools to do so in a safe way.”

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/07/26/police-tell-business-owners-in-seattle-youre-on-your-own-n697723
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  207. RIP – Olivia de Havilland.

    She was 104.

    Saw her when she came and spoke at Fullerton in the late 70s.
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  208. Rip Murdock (361788) — 7/26/2020 @ 9:14 am

    WOW! I had no idea she was still alive!

    felipe (023cc9)

  209. So Trump might really be retweeting the idea that shrieking White Power at the people who call you racist is what we, as a country, need right now.

    LOL. I like how you worded that.

    felipe (023cc9)

  210. I am persuaded that Trump saw no more than the headline of maybe, “awesome! libs are pwned!” before retweeting it. Which is why I believe Trumps retweets lack both nuance and deserve less scrutiny for meaning.

    felipe (023cc9)

  211. Dave wrote:

    Life is also an important right that should be protected.

    Much like the privacy argument made on behalf of abortion rights, the free-exercise argument here would be a slam dunk if there were no other lives involved. But there are.

    In abortion, the procedure always results in the intention an death of the unborn child.

    With an estimated population of 330,912,290, the United States has had 4,009,808 confirmed cases of COVID-19, with 143,663 fatalities. That means 1.2% of our population has contracted COVID-19, if which 3.58% have died. That’s a 0.042% chance of dying, something less than the virtually 100% chance of dying in an abortion.

    You have argued, in effect, that 100% of the population must have their constitutional rights restricted because 0.042% have died.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  212. I’ll light the fire
    You place the nails
    In the bomb
    that we made
    Today

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  213. #225

    I have a problem with not holding Trump accountable for the stuff he retweets. He puts it in his feed, he’s putting his seal of approval on the message. I don’t care what his thought process was. I am not going to excuse him for being too lazy to think about the ramifications of his messaging.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  214. 225… but dogs LIKE to chase their tails, felipe.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  215. Dave wrote:

    Kentucky’s mask mandate is authorized under the duly-enacted laws of the state, which give the governor broad power to protect the population during an emergency.

    It’s funny how people’s devotion to law and order is so situational.

    Sadly, you are correct: the state legislature surrendered that power to the Governor many years ago. That does not make it right, and the order should be resisted. I, personally, do not believe that the state legislature had that power in the first place, and will be voting for state legislative candidates who are campaigning to restrict the governor’s “emergency” powers.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  216. R.I.P. Olivia De Havilland

    Gone with the wind.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  217. harkin (5af287) — 7/26/2020 @ 9:44 am

    Fantastic. I wish I would have had an opportunity to hear Myrna Loy speak somewhere. She appeared, briefly, with a line in Jolsen’s “The Jazz Singer,” appearing at about the 0:30:10 mark.

    Myrna Loy [Dialogue intertitle card]: He hasn’t a chance with Mary!

    She’s got the “look!”

    felipe (023cc9)

  218. Mr Murdock noted that black Americans are arming themselves due to COVID and protests, stating that it is their “constitutional freaking right.” I agree: it is their constitutional right, just as it was protesters in Kentucky’s constitutional right to bear arms — none of which were fired — at a Frankfort protest against Reichsstatthalter Andy Beshear’s orders closing down the state. The left were aghast that they hanged Mr Beshear in effigy, as though hanging villains in effigy hasn’t been something with a long and honorable protest method throughout American history.

    I’m sure that the left did not protest when many protests hanged the younger President Bush in effigy, and, as it turned out, even George Washington was the “victim” of such a form of protest.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  219. Appalled (1a17de) — 7/26/2020 @ 10:04 am

    I find no fault in that. I don’t “do” twitter, so It affects me little. Twitter delenda est!

    felipe (023cc9)

  220. Our House OUR Town

    I’ll light the fire
    You place the nails
    In the bomb
    that we made
    Today

    Feeding the fire for hours and hours while I listen to you
    Virtue signal all night long for me, only for me
    Scream at the cops and bust their heads for fifteen minutes, everything is good
    Such a cray-cray town, the windows are illuminated as the
    Flames shoot through them, fiery gems for you, only for you
    Our town is a very, very, cray-cray town with Wheeler at the wheel
    Life’s all in what you feel
    Now everyone is queasy ’cause of you
    And our la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la

    Our town is a very, very, cray-cray town with Wheeler at the wheel
    Life’s all in what you feel
    Now everyone is queasy ’cause of you
    And our

    I’ll light the fire
    You place the nails
    In the bomb
    that we made
    Today

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  221. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/26/2020 @ 10:03 am

    I’d enjoy your re-lyric of this song.

    felipe (023cc9)

  222. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/26/2020 @ 10:23 am
    Heh.

    felipe (023cc9)

  223. Andy Beshear thinks that he is God
    And the sheeple just follow along
    They all lack heart
    Their brains are a fart
    Scrambled by too many hits on the bong

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  224. Dana in Kentucky, invoking Godwin’s Law again.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  225. Eighteen states set daily case records in the past week, and 40 have had 14-day increases in cases per capita.
    California. South Carolina. North Dakota. Kentucky. Hawaii. Those are among the 18 states that set single-day case records in the last week, putting the country on track to breaking a national single-day record for new coronavirus cases set less than two weeks ago.

    More than 73,500 cases were reported on Friday, according to a New York Times database, approaching the country’s record of 75,697 cases, set on July 16. Since June 24, the seven-day average has more than doubled, to more than 66,100 on Friday from 31,402.

    The other states with rapidly growing caseloads are Alabama, Alaska, Indiana, Kansas, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Utah and West Virginia.
    ………
    ……. Deaths are also rising: Friday was the fourth consecutive day with more than 1,100 reported U.S. deaths, which are trending upward in 30 states. On Saturday, South Carolina announced 80 new deaths, a single-day record.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  226. Mnuchin says $1200 checks in next package; send me that check, Donald– buy my vote, kid!

    “Love For Sale” – Cole Porter 1930

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  227. In Illinois, the ‘Million Unmasked March’ proceeds with about 150 people.
    ……..
    On Saturday, about 150 demonstrators marched outside the state capitol in Springfield, Ill., in opposition to Illinois State Board of Education guidance that says face coverings will be required in schools this fall, according to Michael Rebresh, an organizer.

    The protest was billed as the “Million Unmasked March,” but Mr. Rebresh said he never expected it to draw that many people.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  228. It feels like Texas has peaked for now, until we open up again (and then who knows?). I think this will be our lives for 6-12 months or more. We can do this.

    DRJ (aede82)

  229. I do have one quibble with Gorsuch in the Calvary Chapel case. There’s probably just as much praying in the casinos as there is in the churches.

    Reminds me of the old joke in which the naive religious woman is asked by her friends how she could possibly allow her teenage daughter to entertain her boyfriend all alone in her room with the door locked. The woman replies that she doesn’t worry, since the two kids tell her that they only go up there to pray together. When the neighbors ask incredulously how she could possibly believe that, the woman replies, “No, it’s true. After they have been up there for a while I can always hear my daughter calling out ‘Oh God! Oh God! Oh God!'”

    JVW (ee64e4)

  230. #245 — That joke reflects the thinking of young people before they come to the shocking realization that their parents must have known things long ago.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  231. Trump official sees a way to replace the $600 benefit — but on the virus, hope only in medicine, not mitigation.
    ……..
    “ We’re not going to have a solution to this,” Mr. Meadows said after he was asked whether the administration could have acted sooner to contain the spread. “It’s not masks, it’s not shutting down the economy. Hopefully it is American ingenuity that will allow for therapies and vaccines to ultimately conquer this.”

    Mr. Meadows, whose team crafted much of the administration’s response …….. also downplayed the success rate of wearing masks, calling them “one additional thing we can do” but not the solution to ending the pandemic.

    Mr. Meadows also said Republicans would be seeking to provide unemployment insurance — a plan that has encountered steady opposition from Democratic leaders — rather than extend the $600-per-week unemployment benefit, part of the coronavirus relief bill passed this spring, which is set to expire. Because of a calendar quirk, the payments have already ended for workers in most states, leaving them to rely solely on often meager state unemployment benefits.

    “A lot of people got more money staying at home than they would going back to work,” Mr. Meadows said. He added that Republicans would propose payments for up to 70 percent of lost of wages “hopefully as a way to get people back on their feet.”
    ……..
    Tying unemployment benefits to a set percentage of wages will be impossible to administer. The state systems are not set up that way. The Senate Republicans couldn’t fight their way out of a paper bag.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  232. @210.

    Democrat Michael Dukakis led Bush by 17 points, 55 percent to 38 percent, in a Gallup poll conducted July 21-22 [1988]… “Dukakis warns Biden to ignore polls – ‘not a guarantee of success.’ – -source, FoxOfCourse.gop.

    Duh.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  233. Tying unemployment benefits to a set percentage of wages will be impossible to administer.

    Impossible?? Hmmmm. Tell that to Jim Webb, Bob Gilruth, Thomas O. Paine, Chris Kraft and their colleagues.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  234. Felipe, I find myself nodding in agreement with each of your posts. And here we are.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  235. https://reason.com/2020/07/25/the-three-dissents-in-calvary-chapel-dayton-valley-v-sisolak/

    In Nevada, restaurants, bars, casinos, and gyms are allowed to operate at 50% of their capacity. However, houses of worship are capped at fifty people, regardless of their capacity. On May 22, 2020, the Calvary Chapel Church in Nevada challenged the Governor’s emergency directives. The district court denied a TRO on June 11. The church appealed to the Ninth Circuit. That appeal was denied on July 2. On July 8, the church filed an application for injunctive relief with the Supreme Court. The briefing on that case concluded on July 16. Eight days later, the Supreme Court denied the application in Calvary Chapel Dayton Valley v. Sisolak, an unsigned per curiam opinion. Justices Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh dissented, and would have granted the injunction. By the process of elimination, we can conclude that Chief Justice Roberts, joined by Justices Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan voted to deny the injunction.

    Two months ago, the Supreme Court decided a similar case, South Bay United Pentecostal Church v. Newsom. I blogged about South Bay here, here, here, and here. (Both cases were decided late on a Friday night; query if the Justices hold controversial per curiam orders till after the news cycle closes). In South Bay, Chief Justice Roberts wrote a opinion concurring in judgment that laid out some principles why Courts should defer to local governments during the pandemic. Justices Kavanaugh wrote a dissent in South Bay. In Calvary Chapel, however, Chief Justice Roberts did not write separately. He did not attempt to square his South Bay analysis with the facts in Nevada. And the Calvary Chapel dissenters highlight Roberts’s inconsistency.

    This post will walk through the dissents. I will start with Justice Kavanaugh’s dissent, which I consider the strongest of the three.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  236. https://www.ocregister.com/2020/07/25/joe-biden-swings-and-misses-in-swipe-at-milton-friedman/

    Joe Biden came out of his hibernation basement and launched a blistering attack on a public figure.

    Guess who! Donald Trump? No. Mike Pence? Try again. Mitch McConnell? Not even close. Any other Republican politician? No way. A Democratic office holder, maybe one who is not progressive enough to suit his new-found sharp leftism? Nope.

    You had better be sitting down for this one, or you’re going to keel right over. None other than Milton Friedman is Joe Biden’s target.

    Here is what the possible next president of these United States has snarked: “When did Milton Friedman die and become king?” Nor was this a one-off; instead, doubling down, Biden promised that under his administration should he be elected: “Milton Friedman isn’t running the show anymore …”

    Yeah. Marxism is dead. But some keep trying to raise it from the grave from which it belongs.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  237. https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-07-24-prominent-black-trump-supporter-murdered-in-milwaukee/

    A black Trump supporter who was well known in his community for standing on street corners with “Vote Trump” signs as well as signs plastered with Bible verses was killed in broad daylight in Milwaukee’s Riverwest neighborhood Thursday afternoon.

    Bernell Tremmell, 60, was shot in front of his business, Expression Publications, at 911 E. Wright. The building is covered in handmade signs, the most prominent of which read “Vote Donald Trump 2020,” and “Re-Elect Trump 2020.” Law enforcement sources tell “The Dan O’Donnell Show” that it is impossible to know the motive for the shooting since the suspect is not yet in custody, but detectives are investigating the possibility that Tremmell was killed over his political beliefs.

    Time for a civil rights investigation.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  238. https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/23/tom-cotton-1619-project-schools/

    Republican Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton introduced legislation Thursday which would prohibit the use of federal funding from going towards the teaching of The New York Times’ “1619 Project.”

    The Saving American History Act of 2020 would also bar federal professional-development grants from schools that teach curriculums related to the “1619 Project.” (RELATED: New York Times Writer Claims Property Destruction Is ‘Not Violence’)

    “The New York Times’s 1619 Project is a racially divisive, revisionist account of history that denies the noble principles of freedom and equality on which our nation was founded. Not a single cent of federal funding should go to indoctrinate young Americans with this left-wing garbage,” Cotton said in a press release.

    Makes sense. We need to completely remake the curriculum. Revisionist propaganda has no business in schools turning our children from bright, hopeful individuals into woke, anti-American idiots.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  239. Yeah. Marxism is dead. But some keep trying to raise it from the grave from which it belongs.
    NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/26/2020 @ 11:47 am

    Very well said, That is a statement that satisfies both Dave and me. Well done.

    felipe (023cc9)

  240. Impossible?? Hmmmm. Tell that to Jim Webb, Bob Gilruth, Thomas O. Paine, Chris Kraft and their colleagues.

    Given there are 50 different systems, many of them antiquated, yeah I would say it’s impossible, especially if you don’t want a lapse in benefits. It would take months or years.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  241. @254-
    A political stunt.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  242. 253, why wait for the feds? That jurisdiction has a former law enforcement executive ready, rested, genetically tan and could ride in on a horse.

    urbanleftbehind (dd83d9)

  243. I think the state needs to show why churches are not similarly situated to movie theaters or casinos or gyms. I get that singing, fervent prayer recitation, handshaking, and Eucharist taking are not exactly pandemic friendly….but neither is doing cardio at the gym. Mask or no mask….I would think the rule of 50 ought to apply fairly evenly for events/gatherings where there is a greater risk of transmission. Trying to rationalize 50% of maximum occupancy for some of these activities and a hard limit of 50 for others seems a bit dubious….and doesn’t seem to get beyond a rational scientific basis. It’s kind of like the blind eye to protest gatherings in close quarters with no masks….and seems to suggest a viewpoint bias that could be motivating some of this….whether or not there is a fair share of quiet praying going on at the casinos.

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca)

  244. Heard in March 2020:

    “C’mon, all we’re being asked to do is sit on our couches for two weeks. We can do this…”

    Posted today, in July 2020:

    “I think this will be our lives for 6-12 months or more. We can do this.”

    Predictions for July 2021?

    Colonel Haiku (a2c268)

  245. Coming of the kaiju i think.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  246. Predictions for July 2021?

    The U.S. Supreme Court, voting 10-5, refused to halt the summary executions of former President Donald Trump, his son-in-law Jared Kushner, former Vice President Mike Pence, and former Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell, for treason, murder, and crimes against humanity. The executions were carried out by lethal injection at 6:00 am today.

    Mr. Trump had objected that as Commander-in-Chief he was entitled to a military execution by musketry. Justice Rashida Tlaib concurred in the Court’s decision to proceed with the executions, but wrote “We ought to just hang his wrinkled old orange ass from a telephone pole”.

    nk (1d9030)

  247. Nk,

    I know you’re just wishcasting, but don’t you think we’d have a new war before that absurdity?

    NJRob (061302)

  248. @259-
    Comparing church services to casinos is more like apples to broccoli. Roberts has the correct comparison to “ lectures, concerts, movie showings, spectator sports and theatrical performances, where large groups of people gather in close proximity for extended periods of time.”

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  249. as per felipe’s request…

    Light My Dat Fire

    You know that it would be untrue
    You know that I would be a liar
    If I was to say to you
    Don’t get wood when I see fire

    Come on girlie, light dat fire
    Come on girlie, light dat fire
    Try to set teh Feds on fire

    The time to hesitate is through
    No time to shop at Les Schwab’s Tire
    Just sit down and drink that booze
    And we’ll get some tweets, and draw Trump’s ire

    Come on girlie, light dat fire
    Come on girlie, light dat fire
    Try to set teh Feds on fire

    That time when Frank drove to Palm Springs
    This Doors song was the only thing
    That played on his car radio
    He said “Jilly, I can’t take no mo’ “

    Come on girlie, light dat fire
    Come on girlie, light dat fire
    Try to set teh Feds on fire

    Colonel Haiku (a2c268)

  250. @262-
    Wishful thinking.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  251. Speaking of songs, here’s one I’ve been digging all weekend…

    https://youtu.be/hGjsYLlTxQ4

    Colonel Haiku (a2c268)

  252. 266… and here I’d thought you were just a garden variety Democrat, Rip Taylor.

    Colonel Haiku (a2c268)

  253. NJRob and Rip, am I all that far off from the Apocalyptic scenarios Trump is trying to scare us with if Biden is elected?

    Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump Jul 15
    Joe Biden and the Radical Left want to Abolish Police, Abolish ICE, Abolish Bail, Abolish Suburbs, Abolish the 2nd Amendment – and Abolish the American Way of Life. No one will be SAFE in Joe Biden’s America!

    Just giving him something to be scared of back.

    nk (1d9030)

  254. Of all people, you should recognize sarcasm.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  255. @269-
    Trump is running his planned campaign against Bernie Sanders. Unfortunately for him, Biden is no Sanders.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  256. @254 Curriculum is controlled by the school board, which is directly elected by your community. It is one of the most locally controlled segments of our government. Do you want national control of your local school curriculum?

    Nic (896fdf)

  257. VP preference poll of Biden supporters:

    It’s very odd that YouGov ran a poll for Yahoo, June 9-10, that found completely different preferences than they found in Dave’s linked poll later that month.

    June 10, it was
    Elizabeth Warren 30%
    Stacey Abrams 14%
    Kamala Harris 24%
    Amy Klobuchar 14%
    Gretchen Witmer 5%
    Val Demmings 8%
    Keisha Lance Bottoms 6%

    Yet 10 days later it was:

    Kamala Harris 24%
    Elizabeth Warren 18
    Stacey Abrams 9
    Susan Rice 6
    Val Demings 3
    Gretchen Whitmer 3
    Keisha Lance Bottoms 2
    Tammy Baldwin 1
    Michelle Lujan Grisham 1 (and welcome to her)
    Someone else 5
    Not sure 28

    Their polls are all over the place, and something strange happened to the “not sure” in the first poll.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  258. @29 Rip Murdock, have you ever been to Starr County? Do you even know where Rio Grande City is?

    I do. It’s about 80 miles west from here. The first time I drove there was in 1977. I was sixteen, a junior in high school. My mother instructed me to drive out there and find a location for a Whataburger.

    Now, I had been mowing lawns and cleaning houses at her listings for years, but I wasn’t a Realtor. I was just the hired help that was cheaper than a contractor. How the hell am I going to find a location for a Whataburger in a town I’ve never been to? I’m just a teenager, for crying out loud.

    But I did what she asked, drove over there. It was a long drive, and when I got to Rio Grande City, there was nothing there but a strip mall, surrounded by small homes.

    Okay, here I am. I parked at the strip mall and looked around. There’s nothing here. Where am I supposed to find a location for a Whataburger?

    Then I looked across the street and noticed this vacant lot. I’d been driving for over an hour; I’m tired, I’m thirsty, I’m hungry; where would I put a Whataburger? Right there on that vacant lot, just at the entrance to the town. So, I drew a map, a primitive map on some notebook paper. Then I drove back home and gave it to my mother.

    And you know what? Whataburger bought the lot and built a restaurant! My mother received a huge commission, but for all my effort I only got paid $20. That didn’t even cover my gas expenses.

    The Rio Grande Valley has been all over the news. It’s like we’re the source of the outbreak. Please, major cities, like Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, have seen far more infections, hospitalizations, and deaths.

    It’s like when Fox News flew their reporters to McAllen to investigate border intrusions. Give me a break. Most of those occur in Laredo, 300 miles away, and in El Paso, 900 miles away.

    The border towns along the Rio Grande–from Rio Grande City, to Mission, McAllen, Pharr, Progresso, Weslaco, Mercedes, Harlingen, Brownsville, Port Isabel–are not the source of illegal immigration. Nor are they the hotspots for infection.

    We do have our problems here, and we will deal with them. We always have.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  259. Unfortunately for him, Biden is no Sanders.

    No, but all the little people behind the the curtain are.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  260. Just think what might happen if NOTA was on the ballot.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  261. What about schools that teach siblings shouldn’t marry? Will they still get federal funding under Cotton’s bill?

    nk (1d9030)

  262. Speaking of music, I’ve been digging this really badass work. (That’s just the finale.)

    And another of the most gloriously exhilarating pieces over written.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  263. TOP DEFINITION
    Nota
    In Spanish it mainly use to state when a person’s high (Budd)is at its peak, Or when you are feeling good or bad about something.
    “Diablo loco que nota” or damm ma n***a im smacked, it could also be used as “Ese tiguere ta en otra nota” or that n***’s on some other sh*t.
    by https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nota

    nk (1d9030)

  264. What about schools that teach siblings shouldn’t marry? Will they still get federal funding under Cotton’s bill?

    Democrats are pushing for the so-called “Cronus-Rhea Exemption”, but it’s a long shot.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  265. Lord have mercy, we don’t need any more peaceful protests “intensifying”…

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/abc_peaceful_protest_intesifies_7-26-20.jpg

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  266. Roberts has the correct comparison to “ lectures, concerts, movie showings, spectator sports and theatrical performances, where large groups of people gather in close proximity for extended periods of time.”

    One is left to wonder if Nevada didn’t have a Democrat governor and if the casino industry wasn’t heavily unionized as well as being the major industry in the Silver State, would the logic of Gorsuch’s dissent perhaps have carried more weight among the Court progressives? If you’ve ever hung out in a casino, it’s pretty much the definition of people gathering together in close proximity for extended periods of time. My Church service lasts about an hour; I’ve had four and five hour sessions at the blackjack and craps tables.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  267. This just in… teh Stones have announced plans for a World Tour – Incontinence on Seven Continents – in 2021..

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  268. @274-
    We do have our problems here, and we will deal with them. We always have.

    I’m glad to hear that.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  269. Happy Birthday Mick! Who knew that you last to 77!

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  270. Here’s one for a late friend…

    https://youtu.be/Wua0ONzE29s

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  271. If you’ve ever hung out in a casino…….
    No.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  272. nk wrote:

    What about schools that teach siblings shouldn’t marry? Will they still get federal funding under Cotton’s bill?

    Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence, that there are (public) schools which teach that siblings shouldn’t marry.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  273. Trump says he won’t throw out first pitch at Yankees game
    ………
    Trump tweeted Sunday that he won’t be able to make the trip because of his “strong focus” on the coronavirus, vaccines and the economy. Trump said in the tweet: “We will make it later in the season!”

    He had announced at a briefing Thursday on Major League Baseball’s opening day that he’d be at Yankee Stadium on Aug. 15 to throw out the first pitch.
    ……….
    But on Saturday the White House tweeted a photo of Trump and former Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre after the pair played golf at Trump’s private club in Bedminster, New Jersey.

    With the teams playing in stadiums that are largely empty, Trump wouldn’t have had to contend with crowd reaction to his appearance, which has been an issue in some previous appearances at sporting events, where he has gotten a mixed response.
    ………
    I’m sure Trump was discussing alternative vaccine approaches with Favre.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  274. Of course, while the left are not currently advocating sibling marriage, they do wax wroth that there are schools which teach that only one male and one female can legitimately marry.

    Even worse, there are schools which teach that males cannot become female, and vice versa. Heaven forfend!

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  275. Mr Murdock wrote:

    Trump tweeted Sunday that he won’t be able to make the trip because of his “strong focus” on the coronavirus, vaccines and the economy. Trump said in the tweet: “We will make it later in the season!”

    Well, whenever he does it, let’s hope that he can get it over the plate.

    Mr Trump has not thrown out a ceremonial first pitch in a major league game, but did several times for minor league games before he became President.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  276. As of May 29 I am no longer a parent who moved to a suburb for the schools, but if I still were, I’d be very worried about my kids’ school curriculum originating in Arkansas. Way to win over those suburban voters for Mr. Trump, Senator Cotton!

    Seriously, Cotton is running unopposed for reelection. There is no Democratic candidate. His proposed bill, itself, doesn’t have the chances of a gram of meth in a trailer park. What is this grandstanding in aid of?

    nk (1d9030)

  277. His proposed bill, itself, doesn’t have the chances of a gram of meth in a trailer park.

    But does it have a snowball’s chance in Chicago?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  278. The Chicago knife collector wrote:

    Seriously, Cotton is running unopposed for reelection. There is no Democratic candidate. His proposed bill, itself, doesn’t have the chances of a gram of meth in a trailer park. What is this grandstanding in aid of?

    Uhhh, principle maybe?

    As of May 29 I am no longer a parent who moved to a suburb for the schools, but if I still were, I’d be very worried about my kids’ school curriculum originating in Arkansas.

    That would be better than originating in Illinois, I should think.

    But your comment illustrates the problem: public schools are the creations of local governments; the feds should have no say in how they operate, and should not be providing money to support them.

    The dirty little secret is that most states have balanced budget requirements, as do smaller government units, but with the feds providing money for every level of government, the effect is that state and local government entities are all running deficits, but those deficits have been transferred to the federal government.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  279. Unpacking DHS’s Troubling Explanation of the Portland Van Video

    Over the past few days, millions of people have seen a now-viral video in which two federal agents dressed in full combat gear removed an apparently peaceful protester from the streets of Portland, Ore., and carried him away in an unmarked van. Stories have emerged of other people being taken or pursued by federal agents in a similar fashion. Meanwhile, troubling videos show federal agents in Portland beating a peacefully resolute U.S. Navy veteran and, on a separate occasion, shooting a man in the face with a nonlethal munition, which broke his skull.
    ……..
    …….[O]ne of the top commanders of this new paramilitary federal police force—Kris Cline, Deputy Director of the Federal Protective Service—apparently does not know what the word “arrest” means. ……..
    ………
    ……. [I]t is clear from Cline’s statements that the agents never had any reason to believe that the man was the person pointing the laser. Cline says “the individual that they were questioning was in a crowd and in an area where an individual was aiming a laser at the eyes of officers” (emphasis added). Cline later adds that the agents wanted “to question this individual to find out what their [sic] role was in this laser pointing.”

    ……… The video speaks for itself regarding the manner in which the agents grabbed the man and put him in the van. Cline, however, gave important additional context for why the officers behaved the way that they did. “As they approached” the man, Cline explained, “they noticed that coming in their direction were violent demonstrators.” Fearing for their own safety, the agents decided to leave the scene—and to take the man with them.

    Note again that Cline did not suggest the man in the video ever did anything himself to alarm the agents or to give them grounds to believe he was engaged in criminal activity. …….
    ………
    Cline never explicitly says where the agents took the man. But we know that in a separate incident federal agents who wanted to question a man named Mark Pettibone similarly grabbed him off the street, put him in an unmarked van, and took him into the nearby federal courthouse itself for interrogation. ……..
    ……..
    …….. As the Supreme Court explained in Ybarra v. Illinois, “a person’s mere propinquity to others independently suspected of criminal activity does not, without more, give rise to probable cause.” Rather, a “seizure of a person must be supported by probable cause particularized with respect to that person.” There is no such thing as probable cause by mere association.

    Cline seems to understand this. He acknowledges that the agents did not have probable cause for an arrest. As he explains, when the officers ultimately “released” the man from custody they did so—after consulting with government lawyers—because they concluded “they did not have what they needed” to detain him. In other words, they did not have probable cause. Not when they spoke to the lawyers. Not when they put the man in the van. Not ever.

    And yet, Cline insists that the agents’ conduct was lawful. ……
    ………

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  280. it’s the retweets that get you in trouble.”

    Another point in his favor in the cognitive test.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  281. This just in… teh Stones have announced plans for a World Tour – Incontinence on Seven Continents – in 2021..

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/26/2020 @ 3:15 pm

    How dare you, Colonel.

    norcal (a5428a)

  282. Haiku 260,

    I don’t see the contrast or inconsistency in those statements. Responding to Covid will take flexibility and patience. The initial distancing and isolation you call “sit[ting] on our couches for two weeks” were designed to give hospitals, doctors, and healthcare workers time to learn about Covid. No one but Trump thought it would be over in a week or a month.

    Now some states seem to have flattened he curve while others are still dealing with outbreaks. Every state seems to have its own timeline. Except for parts of South Texas, Texas seems to be stabilising — although that could change tomorrow, next week, or next month. Since I can’t predict tomorrow, I certainly can’t predict 2021 but my guess is that Covid will continue to wax and wane for at least a year or more.

    I thought most Texans would work together to isolate/distance in the beginning of the pandemic, and I think we can work together to take on with the challenges, illnesses, and (sadly) deaths of re-opening. The statements you highlight are examples of that point. Was that your point, too?

    DRJ (aede82)

  283. I’d like to know his answer to the question “What would you do if you found a wallet on the sidewalk?” It’s not an IQ test, Sammy. It’s an assessment for profound brain damage. I “passed” it after my brain surgery and I was still on morphine.

    nk (1d9030)

  284. The reason Fauci did so bad in throwing out the baseball is that he wrecked his arm in practice.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/dr-anthony-fauci-explains-why-his-first-pitch-was-just-a-bit-outside-11595620680

    Dr. Anthony Fauci Explains Why His First Pitch Was Just a Bit Outside

    He threw a baseball for the first time in decades. He woke up with a sore arm. ‘And you saw what happened,’ he says.

    ….“I completely destroyed my arm!” he said.

    Two nights before Fauci was scheduled to throw the ceremonial first pitch of the Major League Baseball season, the world’s most recognizable 79-year-old immunologist went to a Washington, D.C. elementary school to play catch with a local high-schooler. It was the first time he had thrown in decades. He felt good. He felt ready.

    Then he woke up the next morning.

    “My arm was hanging down around my shoes,” he said.

    He was still in pain when he walked to the mound on a muggy Thursday night in a Washington Nationals jersey and face mask. “I’ll just throw it, feel the pain for a little bit and it’ll be over,” he said. Then he looked at his catcher behind home plate. “He looked like he was a mile away,” Fauci said.

    He was unnerved enough in that moment to rethink his strategy. Fauci decided to unleash a fastball.

    “Instead of doing my normal motion of just lobbing the ball, which would’ve been the best thing to do, I thought: Oh, baby, I better put a lot of different oomph into it,” Fauci said. “And I did. And you saw what happened.”

    What happened was Fauci went into his windup and…bounced a wild pitch to the backstop.

    “It went as a line drive toward first base,” Fauci said.

    Fauci is 79 and things were maybe alittle bit different from when he 39, or maybe not even 20 when he played shortstop for the Catholic Youth Organization team, the St. Bernadette’s Grasshoppers, and spent his weekends in a Coney Island league with future big-leaguers like Joe Pepitone.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  285. “sit[ting] on our couches for two weeks”

    It’s not just two weeks.

    You have to do this for 3 or 4 years, if nothing else happens, because all this amounts to is treading water. It does get better with time.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  286. 300… no, DRJ, the first one I paraphrased (but it is nearly a direct quote) was one I’d posted and linked back in March, as it talked of sacrifices previous generations had made before (WWII, Great Depression), before the two weeks on the couch comparison. I found it funny at the time.

    And then yours, which is progressively worse, e.g., 6 mos to a year.

    Which prompted me to ask for any predictions for what the situation 12 mos from now would possibly call for. Nothing more than that.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  287. https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/coronavirus-fitness-job-losses-ihrsa

    Government dependence, overweight and unemployed. What do you think is the worst that can happen?

    NJRob (061302)

  288. How dare you, Colonel.

    Heh… almost as good as Intensity in Ten Cities, no?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  289. what the situation 12 mos from now would possibly call for.

    Obviously none of us can know with any certainty, but given the refusal of too many to do the simple things within our power to help limit the spread of the virus (wear a mask around others and social distance), I think we can be fairly certain that it will be a much longer stretch of time that the virus is us, rather than a shorter period of time.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  290. that it will be a much longer stretch of time that the virus is us rather than a shorter period of time.

    Well… there’s the problem right there!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  291. I remember that now, Haiku. It was a comment about how Americans have sacrificed life, liberty and money for years in wars vs asking us to sit home for a few weeks. But, easy as sitting at home might seem, I don’t think people saw that as the solution. It was just the beginning.

    DRJ (aede82)

  292. @ 273,

    Their polls are all over the place, and something strange happened to the “not sure” in the first poll.

    There’s a perverse fun in watching the Dems struggle to find the perfect running mate for Biden, who will please all of the Democrats all of the time. They can’t decide whether to go hard-left progressive or simply progressive, or even left-of-center. Biden will likely only be president for one term (if he wins), and thus whoever they select will be their nominee for 2024. So not just reliability, political chops, policies, skin color, gender, etc, etc. are determining factors, but age and durability are important too.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  293. 307 should be: that the virus is with us…

    Thx, Col. Haiku.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  294. We want to get herd immunity to Covid but IMO waiting on a vaccine is unlikely to solve this, either because the vaccine will take years or it won’t work anymore than one flu vaccine works on every year’s version of the flu. Ultimately we have to re-open … although I strongly support every person deciding for themselves what risks and precautions they want to take, plus we may have to dial back re-openings if Covid overwhelms our hospitals and healthcare system.

    DRJ (aede82)

  295. One good thing that might come from this is people will understand antibody testing aka titer testing that shows whether someone may have immunity to specific diseases. It is much better than getting mass vaccinations every X years because not everyone gets or retains full immunity after being vaccinated. Titer testing tells us a patient’s status and allows them to vaccinate (or isolate) if they are at risk to themselves and others.

    DRJ (aede82)

  296. Herd immunity can happen without a vaccine, it just takes at least 2M probable deaths to get to 70% exposure. The goal should be for everyone to delay their getting it and passing it on as long as possible with the solutions we know that works, like a mask, or washing your hands.

    I’m hopeful that we’ll have a vaccine by 2022 or 2023, in the interim, wear a mask.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  297. The world is focusing on the US because of our Covid numbers, and we are suffering. For instance, El Paso has been fairly hard hit by Covid but compare El Paso’s recent numbers to its neighbor Juarez:

    There are 13,240 confirmed COVID-19 cases and 224 deaths in El Paso County.

    Texas is reporting 381,656 cases and 5,038 coronavirus deaths.

    New Mexico has 19,042 cases and 614 deaths, with 1,990 cases and 16 deaths in Doña Ana County.

    There are 4,179 cases and 639 deaths in Juárez.

    I may be wrong but I suspect the healthcare system in Juarez is struggling more than ours.

    DRJ (aede82)

  298. That is a reasonable argument/hypothesis, Colonel, but antibodies to Covid seem hard to make or keep. I hope that T cell immunity or B cell memory is more widespread/better than we realize.

    DRJ (aede82)

  299. 290, did he know Favre said this a few weeks ago

    But in any case, he at least got to another SB and more conference championships than this mere caretaker coach of coaches.

    urbanleftbehind (dd83d9)

  300. The virus/pandemic will run its course, just like others before it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  301. I’d bet it’s going to be a bi-annual vaccination, 10B vaccinations a year globally, or more. That’s a lot of anything.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  302. @287. If you’ve ever hung out in a casino……. No.

    If you were alive in the 1980s, you LIVED in one: Reaganomics.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  303. What is Kentucky’s current position on sibling marriage, again?

    Leviticus (5dade0)

  304. Sonuva gun, I did NOT see this coming!

    https://news.yahoo.com/safari-park-baboons-knives-chainsaw-160316231.html

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  305. @252. ‘Yeah. Marxism is dead.’

    So is Milton Friedman.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  306. When Trump wins, the modern ideological conservative movement will continue to be neutered.
    If JoeyBee wins, the modern ideological conservative movement will continue to be neutered.

    Either way a win/win.

    Glorious.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  307. You and Boris will always have Vladivostok, DCSCA!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  308. Well that escalated quickly.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  309. @317-
    did he know Favre said this a few weeks ago
    Favre got the same quality background check Trump’s nominees get.

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  310. “If you were alive in the 1980s, you LIVED in one: Reaganomics”

    Yes, it was horrible….inflation was reduced to 4%, the unemployment rate fell below 6%, the top tax rate went from above 70% down to 28%, the corporate tax rate went from 48% to 34%, there was less regulation, the U.S. dollar stabilized against foreign currencies, from 1982 to 2000 the Dow grew 14 fold and over 40 million jobs were added fueled by an entrepreneur revolution, and the large military buildup actually won us the end of the soviet empire. But sure…..lower tax rates, less regulation, non-inflationary monetary policy, restrained federal spending, and being for expanded liberty around the world…..is just horrible….the alternative….apparently…..coddle transsexuals and more free stuff…..good luck with that intellectual legacy

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca)

  311. “restrained federal spending”

    lol

    Davethulhu (eadaad)

  312. I have serious doubts about this reporting.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8562843/Moment-Trumps-indestructible-border-wall-collapses-Tropical-Storm-Hanna-lashes-south-Texas.html

    There is no “border wall” constructed down here. And if there was, it certainly wouldn’t have been blown over by Tropical Storm Hanna. That was mild thunder storm with some heavy rain. It caused some power outages in some areas, but it certainly didn’t blow over any non-existent border wall that Mexico didn’t pay for.

    The whole thing is a joke.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  313. It’s the Daily Mail.

    Davethulhu (eadaad)

  314. Well, when you never have the House….only so much is plausible. Yes, he did push for a lot more military spending……all of which was passed by Tip O’Neill…..because even Democrats saw the benefit to the world…..and the benefit to their district in terms of bases and military contracts. The reality though is that with the fall of the wall and the demise of the Soviet Union…..unlike most domestic spending programs…..the military spending came back down….to the large benefit of Bill Clinton. We can argue whether 28% was the right figure for the top tax rate…..but few can argue that after neary 40 years….including 16 years of Democrat Presidents…..that no one wants more tax complexity or top rates to drift back up to 91%. That argument is won, we now just argue about which side of 40% is sensible. And few bemoan the loss of the Soviet Union…or want to go back to standing impotently by as free people drift into totalitarianism. But maybe you feel different…and have bold new plans for free college and Margaritas for everybody….

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca)

  315. Paul, let us let the matter end with the judgement, please.

    I think you’re interpreting the conflict between protester and “white power” guy as charitably as possible for the “white power” guy, felipe, and I’ll just leave it at that.

    Paul Montagu (0a7316)

  316. …President Obama, well, at least the catcher was able to get to it.

    Dude couldn’t shoot either, laying 20 out of 22 bricks.

    Paul Montagu (0a7316)

  317. Colonel Haiku (a2c268) — 7/26/2020 @ 2:05 pm
    HA! Thanks, Colonel. I enjoyed that!

    felipe (023cc9)

  318. Paul Montagu (0a7316) — 7/26/2020 @ 11:26 pm
    Thank you, Paul. Agreed.

    felipe (023cc9)

  319. Arkansas senator tom cotton tells ark. gazette that slavery was a necessary evil to build the country. Source huffington post.

    asset (fcf6b8)

  320. Yeah, it’s all over the internet. Which begs the question, really: What is Tom Cotton necessary to?

    nk (1d9030)

  321. BEFORE:

    Walked through it last night out of curiosity and saw no burning, pillaging, or deaths,” Gallant responded in June to Trump’s tweet calling out the violent leftists who continue to terrorize Seattle. “Chill dawg,”

    AFTER:

    “I feel like I need to buy a firearm, because clearly this is going to keep happening. Enough is enough”

    Radio host mocked Trump by claiming Seattle is peaceful, then rioters wrecked his apartment building

    https://thepostmillennial.com/radio-host-dunks-on-trump-by-claiming-seattle-riots-are-peaceful-then-rioters-torched-his-apartment-building

    harkin (5af287)

  322. are you ok with this, because I don’t see any (redacted) anger,

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-protesters-descend-on-dhs-secretary-chad-wolfs-virginia-home

    narciso (7404b5)

  323. I don’t see anger at the malpractice, that gardner is putting the mccloskeys through, while she lets the mob have free reign, in st. louis,

    narciso (7404b5)

  324. Heh! I don’t feel sorry for anybody. Not for the blustering orange baboon, not for his toadies, not for the overgrown lumber camps. They all asked for it. Just as long as they keep their impotent orgies of weirdness to themselves.

    nk (1d9030)

  325. Impotent in the non-sexual sense. If the hippies of my youth are anything to go by, nine out of ten of them are there looking for sex. Including the grannies. Maybe especially the grannies. 😉

    nk (1d9030)

  326. the colonels didn’t kill enough communists, they left the papandreous after all,

    narciso (7404b5)

  327. AP reporter tells both sides about Portland:

    Mike Balsamo
    @MikeBalsamo1
    ·
    I spent the weekend inside the Portland federal courthouse w/ the US Marshals. Mortars were being fired off repeatedly, fireworks & flares shot into the lobby, frozen bottles, concrete, cans & bouncy balls regularly whizzed over the fence at high speeds.
    __ _

    Mike Balsamo
    @MikeBalsamo1
    ·
    The officers outside the Portland courthouse have been hit by an array of objects from canned food to ball bearings fired from slingshots. On Saturday night, a DHS officer was soaked completely in orange paint thrown from of one of many paint cans later seized by authorities.
    __ _

    Mike Balsamo
    @MikeBalsamo1
    ·
    It was really striking talking to the Deputy US Marshals who have been working to protect the courthouse for weeks. Many are from Portland. They have friends who peacefully protest during the day, but at night, they say demonstrations are hijacked by agitators set on violence.
    __ _

    https://twitter.com/MikeBalsamo1/status/1287606651491516420?s=20
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  328. Greece is not a big banana exporter.

    nk (1d9030)

  329. Comrades:

    Q: What’s the best way to kill Communists?
    A: Communism.

    Is joke!

    Dave (1bb933)

  330. Many are from Portland. They have friends who peacefully protest during the day, but at night, they say demonstrations are hijacked by agitators set on violence.

    A group of tourists is on a guided tour in Mexico. The guide points out the bullfighting arena and says: “Bullfighting is Mexico’s most popular sport.” A lady in the group says, “Why, that’s revolting.” And the guide says, “No, ma’am, that’s our second most popular sport.”

    Which explains why Portland only has an NBA team, no NFL or MLB.

    nk (1d9030)

  331. john reed was from portland, he got the entire russian revolution wrong, even when emma goldman tried to correct him, he wouldn’t listen, he died somewhere near baku in 1921, when the soviets were organizing a jihad against the british backed government,

    narciso (7404b5)

  332. Up the thread I asked what Tom “Iwishiwasinthelandof” Cotton’s grandstanding was in aid of. This is what it’s in aid of:

    GOP, White House aim to temporarily reduce weekly unemployment benefit from $600 to $200

    To distract.

    nk (1d9030)

  333. @329. Yes, it was horrible….

    Junk bonds, deregulation, S&L collapse, cocaine wars; cola wars– record growth in the national debt, the federal budget deficit, the trade deficit and the widening wage gap. And Ronnie’s decadent, go-go culture nurtured YOUR GOP Frankenstein– the very ‘picture of Dorian Gray’– who got loose from Trump Tower to destroy his creators: Donald Trump and his minions Kudlow, Barr, Laffer, etc., … Reagan Seeds all. Yes, it was horrible.

    Sober up: as you sow; so shall you reap.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  334. 338.Arkansas senator tom cotton tells ark. gazette that slavery was a necessary evil to build the country.

    That’s right, Tom. You tell’em! Like Egypt, right Tom?! And Whitey should be demanding reparations from ’em for all those free boat rides out of Africa to a land without spears, grass huts and where the only elephant dung to trip over is from the likes of nutbag right-wing-Republicans like you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  335. The doctor behind the discredited HCQ studies, and Surgisphere.

    Then the novel coronavirus hit and Dr. Desai seized the moment. With a Harvard professor, he produced two studies in May that almost instantly disrupted multiple clinical trials amid the pandemic.
    One study’s findings were particularly dramatic, reporting that anti-malaria drugs like hydroxychloroquine, which President Trump promoted, were linked to increased deaths of Covid-19 patients. But that study and another were retracted in June by the renowned journals that had published them, weeks after researchers around the world suggested the data was dubious. Dr. Desai, who declined to share the raw information even with his co-authors, claimed it was culled from a massive trove acquired by Surgisphere, a business he started during his residency.

    First, there’s Raoult’s retracted HCQ study, then Desai’s. It besmirches the good scientists doing good work on the virus and potential treatment options.

    Paul Montagu (dead92)

  336. Paul Montagu (dead92) — 7/27/2020 @ 12:07 pm

    Brings to mind the old joke about what they call the guy who graduates last in his class at med school…

    Dave (1bb933)

  337. 276. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/26/2020 @ 2:45 pm

    Just think what might happen if NOTA was on the ballot.

    I think it is, in Nevada. It regularly gets something like 2% or 3% of the vote, and not more, because it doesn’t mean anything. It has n consequences. It’s a pure protest vote.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Nevada

    [edit]
    Presidential general election, November 8, 2016[1]

    Party Candidate Votes %

    Democratic Hillary Clinton 539,260 47.92%
    Republican Donald Trump 512,058 45.5%
    Libertarian Gary Johnson 37,384 3.29%
    None of these candidates 28,863 2.54%
    Constitution Darrell Castle 5,268 0.46%
    Reform Rocky de la Fuente 2,552 0.23%

    Total votes 1,125,385 100.00%

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  338. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53550882

    Taken from an interview Senator Cotton gave to the Arkansas Democra Gazette:

    “As the Founding Fathers said, it was the necessary evil upon which the union was built, but the union was built in a way, as [Abraham] Lincoln said, to put slavery on the course to its ultimate extinction.”

    This is so garbled, I don’t know how to untangle it.

    ABraham Lincoln did say that he wanted people to be satisfied that slavery was set on the course to ultimate extinction – and maybe he said that when the constitution was written they thought it would end (and they didn’t want to use the word slave or slavery in the constitution.

    But “necessary evil”? Who said that??

    Here is something showing James Madison’s peculiar attitude toward slavery:

    https://slavery.princeton.edu/stories/james-madison

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  339. Fir the record, Congressman Yoho says that he said “f&^* BS” (referring to her publicly stated ideas) and not “f&^* bitch” (referring to her personally.) The two expressions sound similar. Although Bee-ess is two syllables, but if somebody didn’t hear it clearly maybe they can mistake one expression for the other.

    And also he said it to himself, as he was walking away, and she didn’t her him, and doesn’t say that he did. Yoho apologized for the abrupt way he opened the conversation.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  340. * And also he said it to himself, as he was walking away, and she didn’t hear him, and doesn’t say that he did.

    It was a reporter present who supplied these words.

    Just when and if AOC said he was rude is not clear to me.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

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