Biden: Trump Is America’s First Racist President (Um, About That…)
A reminder that while Joe Biden is comparatively normal compared to Donald J. Trump, he’s still a racial panderer:
Joe Biden said Wednesday that President Donald Trump was the country’s “first” racist president…. “We’ve had racists, and they’ve existed. They’ve tried to get elected president. He’s the first one that has.”
ORLY? Let’s put to the side the ones who owned slaves, way back in the day. What about just last century?
President Woodrow Wilson, the country’s 28th president, is having his name removed from Princeton University’s public policy school after recent protests against institutional racism and police brutality. Wilson, who served in the early 20th century, supported segregation and imposed it on several federal agencies.
These quotes are from Vox, to be sure, but they’re quotes:
Elsewhere in the book, Wilson attacked Reconstruction on the grounds that “the dominance of an ignorant and inferior race was justly dreaded.” He was strongly against black suffrage: “It was a menace to society itself that the negroes should thus of a sudden be set free and left without tutelage or restraint.” He praised those freed slaves who “stayed very quietly by their old masters and gave no trouble” but bemoaned that they were the exception, the being “vagrants, looking for pleasure and gratuitous fortune” who inevitably “turned thieves or importunate beggars. The tasks of ordinary labor stood untouched; the idlers grew insolent; dangerous nights went anxiously by, for fear of riot and incendiary fire.”
At the end of Reconstruction, “Negro rule under unscrupulous adventurers had been finally put an end to in the South, and the natural, inevitable ascendancy of the whites, the responsible class, established.” In a 1881 article that went unpublished, Wilson defended the South’s suppression of black voters, saying that they were being denied the vote not because their skin was dark but because their minds were dark (yes, really).
Frankly, Lincoln said some similar things about blacks, but he did a lot for them. Wilson did nothing and was particularly racist even for his time.
Biden’s tendency to weaponized race (“you ain’t black”) is one of the least attractive things about the man and his candidacy.
I don’t think Andrew Jackson was particularly enlightened about matters of race either, especially where Native Americans were concerned.
JVW (ee64e4) — 7/23/2020 @ 9:40 amit’s a free country, with freedom of speech, mr. JVW
mr. president donald trump is free to point out the exact same thing you did
that there were other racist presidents before him
but you know how he likes to be first in everything
nk (1d9030) — 7/23/2020 @ 9:46 amMaybe if you work for the Lincoln Project.
Capsaicin Addict (041266) — 7/23/2020 @ 10:38 amNo one ever accused Biden of being the sharpest knife in the drawer.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/23/2020 @ 10:43 amevery president up through Bill Clinton was a racist. In fact, Biden was bigh pals with Segregationists in the 1970s and wasn’t much upset about Segregation and discrimination until it became fashionable. Not to mention he opposed busing.
rcocean (2e1c02) — 7/23/2020 @ 10:43 amSo the gloves are off. OF course, this won’t stop all the RINO’s and “Conservatives” from telling us that ORANGE MAN shouldn’t say nasty things about Biden. We must always speak like Gentlemen while the left curses and attacks us. Because its all about style and not being “tribalistic”. Let the Left fight dirty, we will lose and be Gentlemen.
rcocean (2e1c02) — 7/23/2020 @ 10:47 amBTW, I don’t think Trump is personally racist. He is too narcissistic and sociopathic to see any skin color not shown in his mirror. He does, however, pander to and exploit the racism of his base to the maximum.
nk (1d9030) — 7/23/2020 @ 10:47 amWhat a dumb and historically inaccurate thing for Biden to say. It’s a straightforward statemet. I’ve seen arguments that he meant something like “Trump is the first modern president to run openly on a message of racial conflict”. But if that’s what he meant the difference to what he said is still ridiculous.
Time123 (306531) — 7/23/2020 @ 11:11 amHe also has the original sin of representing a designated Civil War Border State (slavery for me, no slavery for thee).
urbanleftbehind (c415c8) — 7/23/2020 @ 11:17 am@8 I suspect that’s probably what he meant. IDK is “Biden makes a verbal gaff” even a story at this point?
Nic (896fdf) — 7/23/2020 @ 12:12 pmBiden’s tendency to weaponized race (“you ain’t black”) is one of the least attractive things about the man and his candidacy.
Of course PLAGIARISM and hair plugs top everything.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/23/2020 @ 3:07 pmWait, you think plagiarism is worse than weaponizing race?
Not that they aren’t both bad, and not that Biden didn’t do both of these things, but that’s pretty interesting.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/23/2020 @ 3:23 pm‘they’ll put you back in chains’ remember that,
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/comeback-trump-neck-and-neck-with-biden-45-47-approval-equal-with-obamas
narciso (7404b5) — 7/23/2020 @ 3:35 pminteresting
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/07/23/chinese-consulate-in-houston-may-have-helped-stoke-racial-tensions-in-u-s-n673348
narciso (7404b5) — 7/23/2020 @ 3:40 pm@13 Yes, and Biden made his “put you all back in chains” comment not to attack Trump, or some troglodyte conservative, but rather Mitt Romney. Mitt freaking Romney!
Romney is more honest and moderate than Trump, Biden, or any six-pack of politicians recently vying for the Presidency. He is catching hell in Utah for not being Trump’s bootlicker.
The worst his opponents could dig up on Romney in 2012 was forcible haircutting in high school, taking the family dog for a ride on top of a station wagon, and using the phrase “binders of women” (we all know he meant lists of names, not some BDSM reference).
norcal (a5428a) — 7/23/2020 @ 4:09 pmmittens licks the boots of the Chicoms and rooskies. hang the traitorous pos.
mg (8cbc69) — 7/23/2020 @ 11:36 pmMitt Romney licks the boots of the Russians? I think he campaigned on the fact they are our top geopolitical foe. The democrats laughed and laughed at that, and as norcal pointed out, they attacked him in a lot of other ways.
Maybe the democrats should have listened. Though I voted for Romney, I wasn’t happy about it. Even then, the GOP was bitterly divided and weak. Really makes you wonder about the full extent of Russia’s campaign to destroy our great country.
I hope Biden has a plan for that.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/23/2020 @ 11:39 pmWatching faucci throw the first pitch a little outside reminded me his china flu predictions aren’t in the ballpark.
mg (8cbc69) — 7/24/2020 @ 2:44 amThere was another President who threw 120,000 American citizens in ‘internment’ camps based on the color of their skin. Oddly enough, that same President didn’t appear to believe that Americans of German descent were quite the same threat.
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:40 amEither
1. he’s being fitted for his Raffi Cruz kneepads; or,
2. he’s doing his own version of Fox News Polling.
http://www.huffpost.com/entry/mitt-romney-trump-election-2020_n_5f19bdf6c5b6f2f6c9f31c6f
urbanleftbehind (06b554) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:45 amFdr hated japanese since the 20s
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:46 amOur esteemed host wrote:
Well, he’s sinking into the miasma of dementia, but yeah, he’s been an awfully polite guy throughout his political career. The question is: regardless of how nice, or not nice, a candidate is, isn’t it the policies he would put in place if he won which really matters?
Will it somehow be better because Mr Biden is a nice, if addled, guy, when he puts in place policies which require cities to submit their zoning laws to the federal government, so that the feds can require
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:56 amSection 8‘affordable’ housing to be built in your neighborhood? Will it somehow be acceptable, because Mr Biden is such a nice guy, when he puts in place policies which throw our borders wide open to illegal immigration or greatly restrict the Second Amendment or perpetuate Affirmative Action or try to force people into Teslas or make you remodel your HVAC systems?He just doesn’t want anyone to catch anything. Gotta admire the consistency.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:09 amWill it somehow be acceptable, because Mr Biden is such a nice guy, when he puts in place policies which throw our borders wide open to illegal immigration or greatly restrict the Second Amendment or perpetuate Affirmative Action or try to force people into Teslas or make you remodel your HVAC systems?
I won’t tell you not to worry, Dana, because worrying works. Almost all of the things I worry about never happen.
nk (1d9030) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:10 amI don’t think you care about local control. There have been plenty of examples of the Trump administration expanding the power of the executive branch. I can’t recall you objecting to any of them. I think this is just a pretext to oppose policies you don’t like for other reasons.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:12 amThat might explain the misguided faith Sessions had in him, or, more likely, backs were scratched as intended…
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rod-rosenstein-child-separation-trump-immigration-us-border-a9635436.html
urbanleftbehind (06b554) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:39 amI thought Teslas were off the bad list on a account of Musk wanting his freedoms.
urbanleftbehind (06b554) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:46 amRioting and anarchy are not local control Time123. That’s a bad faith comment.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:50 amBiden made his “put you all back in chains” comment
What he actually said was that the Republicans “will put y’all back in chains.” He deliberately used a blackspeak accent. If I were black, I would find it condescending. Does he think black people can’t understand standard English?
Bored Lawyer (56c962) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:58 amAnarchy isn’t a crime, it’s a adjective.
But rioting is a crime. Vandalism is a crime. Theft is a crime. Assault is a crime. All of those are state and local crimes. Not federal crimes.
If you can look at the DOJ sending in heavily armed, un-identified, troops over the objection of local officials and see any sort of respect for federalism I don’t know what I’m going to say to change your mind. I suspect that if a president you disliked did the same thing, for a cause you disliked, you’d have no trouble identifying the problem.
Time123 (306531) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:02 am@28, NJRob. I don’t make comments in bad faith.
I’ve been wrong before and when it’s pointed out I try to admit it. (That’s happened with you before. You were 100% right and i was wrong)
I’ve made jokes that I thought were funny but actually upset people (last weekend with Gryph and Fork Fear for example) but again, i apologized when it didn’t come across like I intended.
I’ve made my point badly. Too many times to list.
But I won’t advance an argument I don’t actually believe and I try had to be fair wrt to my biases.
Time123 (306531) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:05 amthat’s all you do, I hope tides foundation is paying you enough, but it’s not even the c game,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:47 amBut rioting is a crime. Vandalism is a crime. Theft is a crime. Assault is a crime. All of those are state and local crimes. Not federal crimes.
The rioters in Portland are attacking federal property and endangering federal personnel. Personnel who display markings are being doxxed. These are federal crimes by faceless attackers.
This hasn’t been going on for 50+ days. It’s been going on for years. Local authorities have let it happen, and even encouraged it, giving the middle finger to federalism. If you think it will stop with Biden, consider that it started under Obama.
Rather than just complaining about the federal response, why don’t you suggest a solution that doesn’t involve capitulation? What would that solution look like? Curious if you have one. I don’t think you do.
beer ‘n pretzels (b92780) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:58 amBull Connor approves of your remarks Time123.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/24/2020 @ 8:04 amThere are times when a federal response is necessary. When the local government is so corrupt that they won’t protect American citizens is one of those times. When the local government won’t protect federal property is another.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/24/2020 @ 8:05 am#30
Anarchy isn’t a crime, it’s a adjective.
It’s actually a noun.
Appalled (1a17de) — 7/24/2020 @ 8:08 amWhat Trump is? He’s the first POTUS to have simultaneous illegal operations performed against him by his own countrymen.
F*ck these bureaucrats and each and everyone that supports them:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/23/new-fbi-notes-re-debunk-major-nyt-story-highlight-media-collusion-to-produce-russia-hoax/
Colonel Haiku (5b7649) — 7/24/2020 @ 8:17 amheck they covered up the holomodor, gave fidel his job, ignored the killing fields for three years, permitted the railroading of edwin wilson ‘barely an inconvenience’
narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 8:25 amAnarchy for the Portland
Colonel Haiku (5b7649) — 7/24/2020 @ 8:26 amIt’s happening real-time and maybe
We kill a few pigs, stop a traffic line
In context of the times, just another sign
I could add ‘on the eve of destruction’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSkGDbbTuh0
narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 8:28 amGood Point 😀
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:25 amoh,
https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/24/chicago-mayor-orders-removal-of-columbus-statue-while-city-crime-spree-breaks-records/
narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:26 amThe response in Portland has gone far past just protecting federal property. And that extension has made the situation worse, not better.
Additionally the rational that Trump has provided for sending troops to other cities has had little to do with protecting federal property.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:28 amBull Connor was famous for his racist resistance to desegregation. Did you have a point that the situation was parallel or were you just trying to insult me by implying that I’m a racist?
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:31 amHere’s a summary of things that have worked / not worked before.
One common theme is that overwhelming force doesn’t seem to be an effective strategy.
Did you see the video of that Navy Vet shrugging off a baton beating? Dude is made of rock. In a follow up interview he said he came out because he thought the response was unwarranted and federal troops shouldn’t be there.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:36 amThey’re finally showing some competence. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-07-24/federal-agents-tear-gas-rubber-bullets-push-portland-protesters-back
nk (1d9030) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:41 amGovernment troops were used to enforce desegregation because the local government refused to do so. Pretty basic parallel.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:41 amhttps://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/07/24/columbus-statue-removed/
When your local government is so corrupt they side with the terrorists ahead of your citizens.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:49 amhttps://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/melanie-arter/cruz-what-dems-are-doing-bull-connor-fighting-desegregation
Good for Senator Cruz. And he has it right. Democrats and their stormtroopers are using the same tactics they did in the past to try and scare the populace into supporting their racist and violent acts. But we shall overcome.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:51 amIt’s easy to find public statements from Segregationists that they wouldn’t follow the law. Can you provide similar statements from Portland?
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:55 amThere will be white backlash and I’m sure the Trump campaign is counting heavily on it.
I’ll tell you something, I’m feeling it myself this very minute. Our freak show of a mayor ordered the two statues of Columbus in Chicago to be taken down.
But then, I was also pissed earlier in the week when I read that other freaks in Seattle had put up a statue of Lenin so they could make fun of it, up to dressing it in drag during “Gay Pride”. Not that I’m all that much of Communist, but that not of them who is doing it is worth his spit.
nk (1d9030) — 7/24/2020 @ 10:01 amIt’s easy to find public statements from Segregationists that they wouldn’t follow the law. Can you provide similar statements from Portland?
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:55 am
The Portland police were withdrawn entirely from a six-block area around the federal courthouse. leaving it to the anarchists. There is no question that the feds need to and have a right to be there. Only their tactics and competence.
nk (1d9030) — 7/24/2020 @ 10:05 amIf their response was competent and was resulting in a reduction in protests I would feel differently. But yet again the administration isn’t achieving good results.
The fact that they’re dressed like soldier and not police and aren’t wearing identification makes it worse.
Also that fact provides no justification for sending troops to other cities.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 10:38 amDo you honestly think this is a fair representation of the other sides point of view that they would recognize as accurate?
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 10:39 amI agree about the tactics and competence and I’m glad that they seem to be finally getting their act together.
As for sending troops to other cities, our freak show of a mayor, a Democrat hand-picked by Rahm Emmanuel to be his successor, made a deal with Trump, in a person to person telephone call, for federal agents to come to Chicago. Her house is being picketed for it right now. So who knows what games are being played by who.
nk (1d9030) — 7/24/2020 @ 10:45 amI think taking the one down in little italy was a bridge to far. Hopefully the forgot about the third one.
But remember, there might not be a MLK day or a Cesar Chavez day without there having been a Columbus Day designated by FDR in the 1930s e.g. the first ethnic pander holiday.
urbanleftbehind (06b554) — 7/24/2020 @ 10:51 amBull Connor approves of your remarks Time123.
Had him spinning and giving two snaps up!
Colonel Haiku (5b7649) — 7/24/2020 @ 10:57 amThe response in Portland has gone far past just protecting federal property. And that extension has made the situation worse, not better.
Additionally the rational that Trump has provided for sending troops to other cities has had little to do with protecting federal property
If everything written here is false, is he lying?
Colonel Haiku (5b7649) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:01 amIf you can show me evidence that I’m wrong I’ll retract it an apologize.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:03 amIf she was able to get agreement that the federal forces will support local police efforts I don’t see why she wouldn’t do that.
In my mind there’s a huge difference between sending federal support to help local officials who need it and ask for it and sending them in over the objections of local officials.
If the feds can support local policing and be effective than they should do so if needed. That’s not what I see happening in Portland. It’s not what I’ve seen the president describe in his public statements.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:07 amYes it’s a fair representation of their point of view. I think they’d lie about the accuracy of it. They want to rule, not live in a civilized society.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:10 amOnce again Time123, Bull Connor agrees with you that the feds should just butt out unless they’ve been invited. How dare they get involved with local matters.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:12 amThe police have straight up asked for help due to the shirking of duty and communist sympathizers that run the government.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:13 amThe response in Portland has gone far past just protecting federal property. And that extension has made the situation worse, not better.
Well no, since federal property is still being attacked it hasn’t gone past anything of the sort. The feds erected a fence around federal property and the city wants it removed because it impedes a bike lane. This is the idiocy the feds have to contend with, and you excuse it.
Additionally the rational that Trump has provided for sending troops to other cities has had little to do with protecting federal property
Yeah, because if the rational was protection of federal property, and that was proved, you’d be all for it. Umm, no you wouldn’t.
beer ‘n pretzels (aac2a1) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:14 amAgain you’re ignoring the fact that parts of the south were openly and explicitly denying federal law. Not arguing over implementation nor methods. They were straight up refusing to follow federal law.
Do you not get that or are you unwilling to admit it because it weakens your point?
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:16 am58. Colonel Haiku (5b7649) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:01 am
No,just misinformed, but Donald Trump was trying to confuse people too, or was argued into changing his mind, you know.
I think he (and Cuomo) finally got New York Mayor Bill De Blasio to disperse the remmnants of the crows that was occupying a park near City Hall (before 4 am yesterday morning)
Sammy Finkelman (db2a13) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:16 am@64, B&P, can you help me understand how beating a Navy Vet, who was not standing on federal property was done in defense of federal property? I’m not seeing the connection.
Time123 (306531) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:20 amSo you’re admitting you can’t prove it?
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:21 amhttps://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/07/24/nick-sandmann-settles-lawsuit-washington-post/
It’s a good day where the libelous media has to pay up for their harm they did to an innocent, peaceful citizen versus their whitewashing the riots in Portland as “mostly peaceful protesters.”
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:27 amB&P, can you help me understand how beating a Navy Vet, who was not standing on federal property was done in defense of federal property? I’m not seeing the connection.
The feds neglected to drop everything and confirm his credentials in the middle of a mob of rioters being where they’re not supposed to be, and hurling various objects, shining lasers. Bad on them. Injecting yourself in a fracas like that to strike up a conversation with besieged federal officers probably sounds very level headed to you. Try it. When you do, wear a West Point cap to establish cred.
So you’re admitting you can’t prove it?
I’m admitting, and you’re confirming, that it would be wasted effort. Because your opposition to federal action has nothing to do with proving/disproving it.
beer ‘n pretzels (aac2a1) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:32 amAnd just a reminder, but you expect conservatives to stand meekly by as the left riots and pillages untouched. You expected the same thing after Obama. That is how you got Trump.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:35 amYou can’t prove it.
Time123 (306531) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:37 amDid they need to beat him? If so why? I didn’t see anything that would justify that use of force. Did you?
Time123 (306531) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:38 amI expect the police to behave professionally. I expect them to protect the rights of citizens. I expect them to de-escalate where possible. I expect them to differentiate people who are committing crimes from those that are peacefully protesting. I expect them to display badges and badge numbers so we can different officers that do the above, from those that don’t.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:44 amHow about this, proof is a high bar. Do you have strong evidence that the Trump admin is legitimately motivated by protecting federal property in Chicago, Detroit, and Philly and wasn’t trying to usurp local control for other reasons? Because Trump’s initial public statements were around getting control of ‘lawless’ cities and bringing ‘order’.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/24/2020 @ 11:49 amThey struck him with a baton. He was not acting in a threatening manner. I don’t see any indication he was known to be using lasers (and we all know he wasn’t). If he was really in a place where he was not supposed to be, there are ways to move him or arrest him. Striking him with a baton is inherently dangerous. Striking him on the hands with a baton is a “red zone” and very likely to inflict serious injury. The Navy guy was large and imposing, but he was not moving and did not appear to be engaged in a threat, nor did he appear to be under arrest.
Those baton strikes were incompetent. A strike midway on the arm or leg would be less prone to cause injury (not that I think there was a need, as two officers could have handcuffed the man to arrest him, if that was the intention… and you need probable cause to do either). As a field force strategy, a man standing there is not a basis to use force or engage and that’s a good way for an officer to get pulled off line and injured. But just taking all that aside, as a matter of common sense, they just started beating a man who was bravely standing there, in an obvious display of non-violence. This could have led to a riot and was a stupid escalation. They have leaders to sit back and make decisions about people being in locations they aren’t supposed to be. Cops are trained to wait for instructions, to work as a team, unless the threat is imminent.
This is often difficult because of what many call the 80:20 rule. 80 percent of the time, cops are on their own to make decisions about how to handle situations. 20 percent of the time they need to work as a team and wait for commands, which means a major break from habit. For federal officers, maybe prison staff who didn’t even have FLETC (federal police) training, this might even be more like a 99:1 rule.
The problem is that unless a supervisor of leader owns this stuff and discusses the mistakes and challenges to the community, the community starts to think this kind of thing is what that force is there to do, and not someone incompetent screwing up. In the short term, owning up might seem like a mistake, but it can be incredibly reassuring for a leader to apologize for a mistake, explain what their goals are, and ask for help. Yeah that also comes with fixing problems. Cops generally dislike the Art Acevedo style of ‘run to a camera’ leadership, but there is at least a baseline need. The fact these guys were feds actually increases the need, as people definitely don’t see them as part of their community. Our culture, especially cop movies, has instilled us with the idea the feds are above regular law enforcement, and I’m sure the actual officers buy into that to some extent.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/24/2020 @ 12:19 pmyou know, the thing,
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/07/ny-times-blames-nice-white-parents-for-public-education-failing-black-and-brown-kids/
narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 12:33 pm“How about this, proof is a high bar. Do you have strong evidence that the Trump admin is legitimately motivated by protecting federal property in Chicago, Detroit, and Philly and wasn’t trying to usurp local control for other reasons? Because Trump’s initial public statements were around getting control of ‘lawless’ cities and bringing ‘order’.”
Here’s this:
As expected from Barr and the Trump administration, this was a lie. In fact there had been one arrest. This story is from yesterday.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/23/barr-claimed-200-fbi-arrests-kansas-city-we-just-saw-our-first/
Davethulhu (fab944) — 7/24/2020 @ 1:21 pmThey probably had 200 people taken into custody and released without charges. An arrest module in the records management system of the federal cops, but not a PC affidavit filed at the courthouse. All those people who are taken into a van and whisked away… they obviously were arrested in the literal (and constitutional) sense.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/24/2020 @ 1:34 pm“They probably had 200 people taken into custody and released without charges. An arrest module in the records management system of the federal cops, but not a PC affidavit filed at the courthouse. All those people who are taken into a van and whisked away… they obviously were arrested in the literal (and constitutional) sense.”
if you read the article, it wasn’t even that. They were counting arrests from unrelated operations and even local arrests, dating back to December. It was just a straight up lie.
Davethulhu (fab944) — 7/24/2020 @ 1:47 pmThey definitely put more than 1 person in constructive custody. Anyone saying there has only been one arrest is engaged in propaganda if they don’t explain what they mean. Wapo has an axe to grind and can run a correction next week I guess.
When a cop arrests someone, even if they don’t wind up charging them, it’s very important the arrestee is identified and a report is made, hopefully associated with body cam footage, Uniform Crime Reporting, and actually a surprising amount of other information. These arrest modules are obviously producing stats on how many interactions, arrests, uses of force happen, and I’m sure it’s not “one”.
Sometimes journalists don’t quite understand, and it’s apparent the police aren’t working with the press very well to fix that.
I’m not saying Barr isn’t a liar. He is. But I am skeptical of any information anyone with an agenda (pretty much everyone) is giving me about Portland.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/24/2020 @ 1:53 pmLike Davethulhu, I’m distressed that there weren’t 200 actual federal arrests made in two weeks.
beer ‘n pretzels (273645) — 7/24/2020 @ 1:55 pmlike the guy who had his head, cracked open a year ago,
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/07/chicago-mayor-lightfoot-calls-police-union-chief-cartoon-character-clown-in-texts/
narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 2:21 pm“They definitely put more than 1 person in constructive custody. Anyone saying there has only been one arrest is engaged in propaganda if they don’t explain what they mean. Wapo has an axe to grind and can run a correction next week I guess.”
Barr was talking specifically about Kansas city, where “Operation Legend” has been in place for two weeks.
Davethulhu (fab944) — 7/24/2020 @ 2:35 pm“Like Davethulhu, I’m distressed that there weren’t 200 actual federal arrests made in two weeks.”
I’m “distressed” that everyone in the Trump administration lies as easily as they breathe. Your milage may vary.
Davethulhu (fab944) — 7/24/2020 @ 2:37 pmAs frustrating as it is to see that guy get hit with the baton, I also recognize that there are professional agitators at these protests. They are destroying things, but they are also committing assaults, running off, and filming the results. Even if the cops get it right most of the time, it only takes a few screw ups and you can O’Keefe that into a narrative of extremely violent cops assaulting peaceful protestors.
The cops have a menu of options but they have to take the lead on it, fair or not. One of the options is to just leave. Unfortunately I think some of the agitators are devoted enough to destroy a lot of property to force the cops back, and then the game starts over. Another option is to identify the agitators, which is hard to do now with masks (and gas masks) and unarrest tactics.
I can’t believe they’ve only arrested one person. I’ve worked a lot of protests in Austin where Antifa showed up (yeah I know, Antifa’s existence as an organization is mocked a lot on twitter, what can I say, I guess they were ghosts). The best protest leadership on the police side (usually the bike cops) would succeed if they lawfully arrested those guys for an assault, early on. That way, peaceful protesters get to peacefully protest, say whatever they want to say, God Bless America, time for a donut.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/24/2020 @ 2:41 pmDavethulhu, I expect the lying to continue under the Biden administration, with the same MPG. The only difference is that the media will take a four year hiatus and won’t call it out. You like that better?
beer ‘n pretzels (c63793) — 7/24/2020 @ 2:48 pmfwiw
https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/24/ziad-nasreddine-donald-trump-cognitive-test/
narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 2:49 pm“Davethulhu, I expect the lying to continue under the Biden administration, with the same MPG. The only difference is that the media will take a four year hiatus and won’t call it out. You like that better?”
Drain the swamp!
Davethulhu (eadaad) — 7/24/2020 @ 3:24 pmBased on what you say here, I am convinced you are a superb officer, Dustin. Thank you.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:02 pm