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7/11/2020

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:10 am



[guest post by Dana]

Here are a few news items to discuss. Feel free to share anything of interest in the comments. Please make sure to include links.

First news item

California to release 8,000 prisoners to relieve virus spread:

Gov. Gavin Newsom will release approximately 8,000 people incarcerated inside California’s prison system by the end of August in an effort to save lives amid devastating coronavirus outbreaks at several facilities and pressure from lawmakers and advocates.

The releases, which were announced Friday, will come on a rolling basis, and they will include both people who were scheduled to be freed soon and people at high risk of serious complications if they contract the virus.

Second news item

Bill Gates on prioritizing Covid drugs and vaccine:

Billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates called for COVID-19 drugs and an eventual vaccine to be made available to countries and people that need them most, not to the “highest bidder,” saying relying on market forces would prolong the deadly pandemic.

“If we just let drugs and vaccines go to the highest bidder, instead of to the people and the places where they are most needed, we’ll have a longer, more unjust, deadlier pandemic,” Gates, a founder of Microsoft, said in a video released on Saturday during a virtual COVID-19 conference organized by the International AIDS Society.

“We need leaders to make these hard decisions about distributing based on equity, not just on market-driven factors.”

Related: Don’t miss Allapundit’s analysis on the thorny subject of which group of people get to go to the front of the line for the vaccine once it becomes available.

Third news item

Search warrant served on St. Louis couple:

Authorities in St. Louis executed a search warrant Friday evening at the home of Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the couple who made headlines last month when they took up arms to defend their home from protesters.

During the search, police seized the rifle that Mark McCloskey was shown holding during the June 28 incident, KSDK-TV of St. Louis reported, citing information from a source.

The couple claimed the pistol that Patricia McCloskey held during the June confrontation was already in the possession of their attorney, the station reported.

There was no immediate indication the McCloskeys were arrested or charged with a crime. The warrant applied only to a search for the guns, KSDK reported.

Fourth news item

Michael Cohen returned to prison:

After spending the past several weeks on New York’s tony Upper East Side, Michael Cohen has found himself back in federal prison after a dispute with the government over what his lawyers say were restrictions in paperwork designed to prevent him from finishing a book about the president.

The form in question, a two-page document titled “Federal Location Monitoring Program Participant Agreement,” had called for Cohen to abstain from communicating with members of the media — a provision that he had balked at given the pending release of his tell-all book, and one which his legal team has claimed is unusual.

Fifth news item

Trump to sign EO on immigration, including path to citizenship for DACA recipients:

President Trump said Friday he intends to sign an executive order on immigration within the next month that he said will include a “road to citizenship” for recipients of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

In an interview with Telemundo anchor José Díaz-Balart, Trump blamed Democrats from walking away from a deal on DACA and said the Supreme Court’s decision last month blocking his administration’s plan to end the Obama-era program gave him “tremendous power.”

“The deal was done. DACA is going to be just fine. We’re putting it in. It’s going to be just fine. And I am going to be, over the next few weeks, signing an immigration bill that a lot of people don’t know about. You have breaking news, but I’m signing a big immigration bill,” Trump told Díaz-Balart.

“Is that an executive order?” the anchor asked.

“I’m going to do a big executive order. I have the power to do it as president and I’m going to make DACA a part of it,” Trump responded. “But, we put it in, and we’ll probably going to then be taking it out. We’re working out the legal complexities right now, but I’m going to be signing a very major immigration bill as an executive order, which Supreme Court now, because of the DACA decision, has given me the power to do that.”

Sixth news item

Peak Trump:

President Donald Trump said in an interview that he recently took a cognitive test and “aced it.” He also challenged presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden to take one.

Mr. Trump told Fox News’ Sean Hannity on his show Thursday night that he underwent the exam at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center. He didn’t specify which type of cognitive test he took.

“I actually took one, very recently, when I was – you know, the radical left was saying, ‘Is he all there? Is he all there?'” he said. “And I proved I was all there, because I aced it. I aced the test.”

“They said, ‘that’s an unbelievable thing, rarely does anybody do what you just did,'” Mr Trump added. …

Sample questions from the exam include drawing the hands on a clock, naming pictures of animals and repeating a list of numbers forwards and backwards.. A score above 26 out of the 30 possible questions is considered normal. Mr. Trump scored 30 out of 30.

Seventh news item

Not just Georgia, but Missouri and Texas too:

A pair of YMCA camps in Georgia closed down in late June after a counselor tested positive for the coronavirus, but in the days since they were shut, the number of confirmed infections has climbed into the dozens, media outlets report.

YMCA called the summer season off early for High Harbour Camp locations at Lake Burton and Lake Allatoona, but at least 30 or more camp attendees have, or have had, the virus, outlets have reported.

But as of Friday, officials said the true number is much higher — at least 85 kids and counselors have tested positive — all stemming from their time at Lake Burton, Georgia Department of Public Health officials told McClatchy News.

Campers are all between 7-14 years old and staff between 16-22, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. That’s about 18% of the 362 camper and 118 staff members, the publication said.

The YMCA says this situation happened despite careful planning and adherence to safety guidelines laid out by leading health experts and mandated by the state…

Eighth news item

Trump’s ‘thoughtful’ approach to reopening schools:

President Donald Trump and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos are threatening to cut federal funding if schools don’t fully physically reopen, increasing pressure on education leaders as the Trump administration intensifies its drive to get kids back in classrooms.

Trump on Wednesday morning tweeted, “In Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and many other countries, SCHOOLS ARE OPEN WITH NO PROBLEMS. The Dems think it would be bad for them politically if U.S. schools open before the November Election, but is important for the children & families. May cut off funding if not open!”

…During a White House event on Tuesday, Trump also vowed he would “put pressure” on governors reluctant to open schools amid rising cases of coronavirus.

Have a good weekend.

–Dana

424 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  2. Despite hopes that it would, summer weather has not stopped virus’s spread in the U.S.
    ……..
    Newly reported cases of the novel coronavirus in the United States reached their highest levels in July and continue to ascend, a troubling trend that shows it will take a lot more than heat to slow the spread, said Aaron Bernstein, interim director for Climate, Health and the Global Environment at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

    “We now know that the summer is not going to grant us reprieve,” Bernstein said Friday. “It’s certainly possible that warm weather and humidity can slow the spread of the virus, but it’s clearly not enough to stop widespread transmission.”
    …….
    States with notoriously hot summers such as Texas and Florida have seen cases rise sharply in the months of June and July, according to Washington Post tracking. Those two states, along with Arizona and California, have emerged as the latest virus hotspots, where medical centers are struggling to keep up with new hospitalizations.
    …….
    We’ve known since the beginning that indoor spaces are high-risk. Crowded indoor spaces where people may not move around very much may be particularly risky,” Bernstein said, noting that people tend to congregate inside to avoid the heat. “I’m not alone in saying I’m very concerned — we were hoping to have this situation under much better control. So many other countries are doing much better than we are — now we’re potentially heading into the fall with so many more cases, and we’ll have our usual cold and flu season.”
    ………
    ……..” At this point, we have no choice but to socially distance. To not do so, to not wear masks — to choose supposed freedom through flouting science and knowledge to endanger our fellow citizens — will only land us in deeper trouble.”
    >>>>>>>

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  3. President Donald Trump said in an interview that he recently took a cognitive test and “aced it.” He also challenged presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden to take one.

    Clever move, Captain, sir; dye market dropped. Now all JoeyBee has to do is open his mouth, hook a few gaffes— and steam over his own to line.

    Ice cream and strawberries for dessert all ’round, tonight!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  4. The death rate in Cal prisons is so high that it only makes sense to release these miscreants so that they can infect the general population.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  5. You beat me to the Sarah Cooper tweet, Dana. Well done!
    Steve Vladeck:

    Literally nothing in Trump’s … statement … is accurate.

    Trump told Telemundo the following about how he is going to protect DACA recipients: “I’m going to be signing a very major immigration bill as an executive order, which the Supreme Court now, because of the DACA decision, has given me the power to do that.”
    This makes no sense.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  6. Now all JoeyBee has to do is open his mouth, hook a few gaffes— and steam over his own to line.

    Yeah any minute now the strategy ‘If Biden is smarter than a drooling idiot Trump loses more voters’ will start paying off!

    Any minute now.

    Dustin (b62cc4)

  7. https://christopherrufo.com/city-of-seattle-interrupting-internalized-racial-superiority-and-whiteness-training/

    This type of indoctrination and struggle session would make China and North Korea proud. What say our members that live in the northwest?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  8. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/hawley-vs-the-nba/

    Hawley rightly calls out the NBA for their hypocrisy and gets a typical response from an indoctrinated leftist. Will that leftist be held to account? Nah.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  9. https://quillette.com/2020/07/08/a-declaration-of-independence-by-a-princeton-professor/

    A great Spartacus moment from a member of the educational clergy. Unfortunately, it won’t be followed by others standing up in support as they are true believers who will hate this man till he retires. Independent thought is not welcome on campus.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  10. well they will be liquidated like the second wave, soltzhenitsyn saw in the camps, the first were social revolutionaries and white russians, but the second mensheviks and insufficiently aware bolsheviks, and you can ask the mccloskeys where there rights are,

    narciso (7404b5)

  11. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/10/texas-am-police-footage-indicates-student-left-you/

    Yet another racist hoax that cost taxpayer dollars and created fraudulent outrage in our media induced hysterical environment. Down the rabbit hole it goes.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  12. Do we have a source other than Trump or his “best people” for the cognitive test? If the answer is no, he failed it.

    nk (1d9030)

  13. ‘If Biden is smarter than a drooling idiot… any minute now’

    Tick-tock, tick-tock: ask Neil Kinnock:

    ‘A few months after the [British] general election, Kinnock gained brief attention in the United States in August 1987 when it was discovered that then-US Senator Joe Biden for Delaware (and future 47th Vice President) plagiarized one of Kinnock’s speeches during his 1988 presidential campaign in a speech at a Democratic Party debate in Iowa. This led to Biden’s withdrawal of his presidential campaign.” -source, wikiGrandTheftJoeBlows

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. @12.Genius Rules. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. 11… on to teh next outrage, Rob. This country has more that its share of hysterics… I blame K-12 and institutions of higher learning, the latter of which throws in a bonus of pandering to and colluding with the CCP.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  16. kinnock wasn’t the raving lefty, that foot or benn, the former was a soviet agent, the other was a willing tool, they had a shiny penny like tony blair, to enable the transformation of british society through immigration, and needless to say indoctrination, hence even in the era of boris johnson, patriotism is considered a form of white supremacy, among their splc counterparts, corbyn was too much of the former group,

    narciso (7404b5)

  17. Do we have a source other than Trump or his “best people” for the cognitive test? If the answer is no, he failed it.

    “He” didn’t fail it. Trump hired an impersonator to take this easy cognitive test for him.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  18. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/07/goya_the_bravest_ceo_in_america_praises_trump__and_alexandria_ocasiocortez_loses_her_lunch.html

    And because the left will never accept anyone not in lockstep with their indoctrination, a call to destroy a minority owned and supported company because it won’t toe the line.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  19. like syme he didn’t understand what he did wrong,

    https://reason.com/2020/07/10/steven-pinker-beats-cancel-culture-attack/

    narciso (7404b5)

  20. you;re riding with captain oveur don’t have the fish,

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/07/the-week-in-pictures-mount-trumpmore-edition.php

    narciso (7404b5)

  21. ‘…the transformation of british society through immigration…

    Very old tale: ‘Empire’.

    “Hard cheese, old boy!” – Ray Delauney [Terry-Thomas] ‘School For Scoundrels’ 1960

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  22. pinker’s first offense,

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/18/upshot/police-killings-of-blacks-what-the-data-says.html?smid=tw-share

    of course pinker’s real offense was the tabula rasa moment, which conflicts with the notion that racism is a genetic trait

    narciso (7404b5)

  23. well enoch powell was right, and labour grandees admitted it as such to rod liddle, after the game was up, indoctrination, that the 1619 drones are just the latest round is probably a larger element, so everything goes in the bonfire, joel pollak pointed that out, from his experience in South Africa, in the mandela era, of course it can’t be satisfied so you have more extreme elements like malema’s efm,

    narciso (7404b5)

  24. So, a search warrant for guns. No crime alleged.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Doesn’t the probable cause have to relate to something criminal? Or do they just get to do this willy-nilly?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  25. Its kim gardnertown, they dont need no reason to arrest you.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  26. https://pjmedia.com/culture/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/08/amid-deadly-riots-oprah-signs-on-to-adapt-anti-american-1619-project-n620979

    And we have Oprah using her money to create propaganda and endorse a fiction to destroy American history.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  27. now the asanti and the songhai chieftain that supplied the labor, well that’s an oversight, I think jim crow was the greater offense, after the almost uncountable sacrifice in the civil war, but that’s susan rosenberg’s crib sheet,

    narciso (7404b5)

  28. Doesn’t the probable cause have to relate to something criminal? Or do they just get to do this willy-nilly?

    The fact that no one was arrested immediately after the warrant was executed doesn’t mean no crime is under investigation. The point of an investigation (and a search warrant) is to gather information.

    The couple claimed the pistol that Patricia McCloskey held during the June confrontation was already in the possession of their attorney, the station reported.

    This suggests that perhaps the handgun wasn’t legal or something.

    Dave (1bb933)

  29. she has let all the prisoners and then the rioters out, they should have fired the weapon if the mob is going to get you, go down fighting,

    narciso (7404b5)

  30. Dozens of Mississippi lawmakers have coronavirus after weeks of refusing to wear masks
    …….
    About one in six state lawmakers have tested positive for the coronavirus, according to Dr. Thomas Dobbs of the Mississippi Health Department.

    For weeks, politicians flouted mask recommendations inside the state Capitol. Twenty-six state legislators have now tested positive for Covid-19, including Lt. Gov. Delbert Hosemann and State House Speaker Philip Gunn. Neither man wore a mask at a bill signing at the governor’s mansion last week.
    ……..
    Without masks, it may not come as a shock that the virus spread so efficiently within the legislature. On the floor, desks are packed tightly together, and members gather closely to communicate with their colleagues.
    …….
    “ It seems it was all about some erroneous, dangerously promoted political stance. It’s disgusting. Our governor refuses to order statewide mask requirements and our leadership decided not to require it at the Capitol” (said State Rep. Robert Johnson III, the Democratic leader of the state’s House of Representatives).
    …….
    Karma.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  31. Establishing those White Power bona fides for 2024 already:

    Tucker Carlson’s top writer resigns after secretly posting racist and sexist remarks in online forum

    The top writer for Fox News host Tucker Carlson has for years been using a pseudonym to post bigoted remarks on an online forum that is a hotbed for racist, sexist, and other offensive content, CNN Business learned this week.

    Just this week, the writer, Blake Neff, responded to a thread started by another user in 2018 with the subject line, “Would u let a JET BLACK congo n****er do lasik eye surgery on u for 50% off?” Neff wrote, “I wouldn’t get LASIK from an Asian for free, so no.” (The subject line was not censored on the forum.) On June 5, Neff wrote, “Black doods staying inside playing Call of Duty is probably one of the biggest factors keeping crime down.” On June 24, Neff commented, “Honestly given how tired black people always claim to be, maybe the real crisis is their lack of sleep.” On June 26, Neff wrote that the only people who care about changing the name of the NFL’s Washington Redskins are “white libs and their university-‘educated’ pets.”

    […]

    Neff worked at Fox News for nearly four years and was Carlson’s top writer. Previously, he was a reporter at The Daily Caller, a conservative news outlet that Carlson co-founded. In a recent article in the Dartmouth Alumni Magazine, Neff said, “Anything [Carlson is] reading off the teleprompter, the first draft was written by me.” He also acknowledged the show’s influence, telling the magazine, “We’re very aware that we do have that power to sway the conversation, so we try to use it responsibly.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  32. Oops, I said ‘r-e-d-s-k-i-n-s’…please to de-moderate!

    Dave (1bb933)

  33. Meanwhile…..

    “ Last month, the City of Seattle’s Office of Civil Rights sent an email inviting “white City employees” to attend a training session on “Interrupting Internalized Racial Superiority and Whiteness,” a program designed to help white workers examine their “complicity in the system of white supremacy” and “interrupt racism in ways that are accountable to Black, Indigenous and People of Color.” Hoping to learn more, I submitted a public records request for all documentation related to the training. The results are disturbing.

    At the beginning of the session, the trainers explain that white people have internalized a sense of racial superiority, which has made them unable to access their “humanity” and caused “harm and violence” to people of color. The trainers claim that “individualism,” “perfectionism,” “intellectualization,” and “objectivity” are all vestiges of this internalized racial oppression and must be abandoned in favor of social-justice principles.

    In conceptual terms, the city frames the discussion around the idea that black Americans are reducible to the essential quality of “blackness” and white Americans are reducible to the essential quality of “whiteness”—that is, the new metaphysics of good and evil.

    Once the diversity trainers have established this basic conceptual framework, they encourage white employees to “practice self-talk that affirms [their] complicity in racism” and work on “undoing [their] own whiteness.” As part of this process, white employees must abandon their “white normative behavior” and learn to let go of their “comfort,” “physical safety,” “social status,” and “relationships with some other white people. “

    https://www.city-journal.org/seattle-interrupting-whiteness-training
    __

    Vote Dem so we can all eradicate whiteness.
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  34. Shootings in New York City rose 205% after Democrats defunded the NYC Anti-Crime Unit.

    City solution?

    Paint ‘Black Lives Matter’ on street in front of Trump Plaza.

    How could anyone criticize city leaders?
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  35. Shootings in New York City rose 205% after Democrats defunded the NYC Anti-Crime Unit.

    The officers in question were placed on uniformed patrol duty instead, making them more (not less) visible on the streets, and the surge in shootings started well before.

    Dave (1bb933)

  36. Florida County Commissioner Who Voted Against Masks In Hospital With COVID
    Paul Waldron—the commissioner for St. Johns County just south of Jacksonville, Florida—has tested positive for COVID-19 and is currently in the hospital in critical condition. Last week, Waldron voted against a countywide order requiring all residents to wear face masks as a way to prevent coronavirus infections.

    According to News 4 Jax, Waldron wasn’t “necessarily opposed” to the face mask requirement, but wanted county administrators to clarify the types of masks required and whether the county could provide sufficient supplies for employees and citizens entering government buildings.
    ………
    More bad karma. The guy looks like he weighs 300 pounds.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  37. As the pandemic surges, old people alarm their adult kids by playing bridge and getting haircuts
    ……..
    The effects of covid-19 are most devastating for older people, with a 30 percent death rate among people over 85 in the United States who develop it. Many in that age group are sheltering in place and skipping social events in an effort to avoid the virus that causes the disease, and younger family members have often stayed away or gotten coronavirus tests before seeing them, to protect them.

    But others have taken a more relaxed attitude, engaging in behavior that fills their middle-aged children with terror, for both their parents’ health and their own.

    …… Older people in the United States are statistically more likely than younger generations to listen to conservative media and to politicians who have played down the dangers of the virus, and some may have followed their lead. Others may be well aware of the risks but have weighed them against the mental and physical benefits of maintaining exercise and social routines.
    ……..
    “As we get older, we are more likely to lose the illusion of immortality compared to younger people,” (Bill Thomas, a geriatrician and founder of ChangingAging.org) said. “Older people are more likely to be living with the awareness that they are in fact mortal and they have a limited amount of time left. Many older people are more conscious of weighing the risk-benefit based on the knowledge that they’re not going to be around much longer. So you make some different calculations than younger people.”

    People in their 50s and 60s tend to still be invested in maximizing their life span, Thomas said. “The 80-plus, they’re the real lions of the human race. They’ve seen more, done more, and a lot of times may be more realistic about their end-of-life prospects.”
    …….
    My message to the 60-year-olds is: Get over it. Let them live their life. Part of being an adult or a grown-up is you have the right to do stupid things . . . but that person has to accept the consequences — young people aren’t going to want to be around you.”
    ………
    More power to them. As long as the oldsters know what they are doing. If they do get infected, they shouldn’t take up a hospital bed and displace someone younger.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  38. More innocent blood on Trump’s tiny, tiny hands:

    ‘I thought this was a hoax': Patient in 30s dies after attending ‘COVID party’

    SAN ANTONIO, Texas (WOAI/KABB) – A patient in their 30s died from the coronavirus after attending what’s being called a “COVID party,” according to a San Antonio health official.

    Chief Medical Officer of Methodist Healthcare Dr. Jane Appleby said the idea of these parties is to see if the virus is real.

    “This is a party held by somebody diagnosed by the COVID virus and the thought is to see if the virus is real and to see if anyone gets infected,” Dr. Appleby said.

    According to Appleby, the patient became critically ill and had a heartbreaking statement moments before death.

    “Just before the patient died, they looked at their nurse and said ‘I think I made a mistake, I thought this was a hoax, but it’s not,'” Appleby said.

    Dave (1bb933)

  39. Rip Taylor rides again!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  40. Judge blocks federal execution after victims’ relatives oppose carrying it out during pandemic
    …..
    …….[R]elatives argued in court filings this week that the execution should be delayed because of the pandemic, saying there was “no legitimate reason” to carry it out amid the health crisis and writing that they faced significant risks if they traveled to attend a lethal injection inside a federal prison.
    ……
    Under the Federal Death Penalty Act, executions should be carried out under “the law of the state” where the sentence in the case occurred — in this case, Arkansas, which gives “significant rights to victims’ family members,” (Jane E. Magnus-Stinson, chief judge for the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Indiana) wrote in her 14-page order. Magnus-Stinson also wrote that the public had an interest in treating the relatives “with fairness, respect, and dignity” and said that it appeared the Justice Department “gave no consideration to their rights whatsoever.”
    ……
    In its response, the department also said that if executions were put on hold until there was a treatment or a vaccine for the virus, as requested, it would create “an indefinite delay.” The department added that while it sought to help victims’ relatives attend executions, federal officials are not required to schedule them based on when witnesses can attend.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  41. @39. SAN ANTONIO, Texas (WOAI/KABB) – A patient in their 30s died from the coronavirus after attending what’s being called a “COVID party,” according to a San Antonio health official.

    Texas is most proudly conservative and Republican; where the party of ‘personal responsibility’ rules. You want to check for bloddy hands, look no further than the governor’s office:

    “Hey Abbotttttttt!” – – Lou Costello

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. Sample questions from the exam include drawing the hands on a clock, naming pictures of animals and repeating a list of numbers forwards and backwards.. A score above 26 out of the 30 possible questions is considered normal. Mr. Trump scored 30 out of 30.

    Hey man, don’t blame the valedictorian just because the curriculum has been dumbed-down.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  43. Derek Thompson has a good breakdown as to why more Americans aren’t dying from CV19 despite the spike in new cases. First and foremost: “Deaths lag cases—and that might explain almost everything.”

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  44. “Just before the patient died, they looked at their nurse and said ‘I think I made a mistake, I thought this was a hoax, but it’s not,’” Appleby said.

    Most college football historians don’t believe that George Gipp ever told Knute Rockne to “win one for the Gipper.”

    JVW (ee64e4)

  45. 45… c’mon… this story is so believable…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  46. 44… should be revisited in a few weeks. When the truth come out.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  47. #39 — I might put as much or more blame on other people, since Trump doesn’t have the mental capacity to understand or care about the danger to others.
    Some people do have the mental capacity but chose to take a stand against “experts” in scare quotes peddling their worst-case scenarios even though “it’s mostly just old people dying anyway.” And telling us that since “experts” aren’t omniscient and their projections aren’t spot-on, we shouldn’t listen to them.

    Those people have given encouragement to the recklessness of youth and to the defiance of the “don’t tread on me” crowd.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  48. A plasma shot could prevent coronavirus. But feds and makers won’t act, scientists say
    …….
    Scientists have devised a way to use the antibody-rich blood plasma of COVID-19 survivors for an upper-arm injection that they say could inoculate people against the virus for months.

    Using technology that’s been proven effective in preventing other diseases such as hepatitis A, the injections would be administered to high-risk healthcare workers, nursing home patients, or even at public drive-through sites — potentially protecting millions of lives, the doctors and other experts say.
    ……..
    But the idea exists only on paper. Federal officials have twice rejected requests to discuss the proposal, and pharmaceutical companies — even acknowledging the likely efficacy of the plan — have declined to design or manufacture the shots, according to a (Los Angeles) Times investigation. The lack of interest in launching development of immunity shots comes amid heightened scrutiny of the federal government’s sluggish pandemic response.

    …….. Federal health officials and industry groups say the development of plasma-based therapies should focus on treating people who are already sick, not on preventing infections in those who are still healthy.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  49. Most college football historians don’t believe that George Gipp ever told Knute Rockne to “win one for the Gipper.”

    Reaganoptics. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  50. Reaganoptics.

    Ha, clever! But of course the story predates the movie.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  51. 47 — There must be a hidden truth behind all the stories of people who go to a gathering (unmasked) and soon end up very sick, in the hospital. Like the man with young children who went to a barbecue, got sick soon afterward, and died of Covid, after writing a statement of his regret for going to the barbecue.

    Some of those who don’t die have had lingering symptoms for months.

    I know someone who is strongly anti-leftist, and guardedly defensive of Trump against leftists, and has a medical background. He has repeatedly told me “You need to be careful, because this Covid thing is really bad. It can have long-term effects.” IOW, not everything is a partisan plot.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  52. …should be revisited in a few weeks. When the truth come out.

    I’m not sure what “truth” you’re talkin’ about, Haiku, but there’s already a correlation between new cases (because the southern states have led the nation for weeks) and new deaths. Just check out the top five.
    New cases
    1. Florida
    2. Texas
    3. California
    4. Georgia
    5. Arizona
    New deaths
    1. Texas
    2. California
    3. Florida
    4. Arizona
    5. Alabama
    The hospitalization trends point to a certain increase in the number of dead Americans from those states. The US is failing miserably and Trump is president, which is another strong correlation.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  53. Item 4: How stupid do you have to be to choose to go back to prison in the middle of an epidemic rather than promise to eat dinner at home and not talk to reporters? All the best people.

    Item 5: This is a thing that requires legislation. For the love of Pete.

    Item 8: All the swears.

    Nic (896fdf)

  54. Portland Place couple who confronted protesters have a long history of not backing down

    When Black Lives Matter protesters marched up Kingshighway on June 28 and turned through an iron gate into the magnificent private street of Portland Place, they encountered a couple who have for years, nearly constantly, sued other people and ordered people off their property.
    …….
    …….[P]ublic records and interviews reveal a fuller picture than emerged two weeks ago. They show the McCloskeys are almost always in conflict with others, typically over control of private property, what people can do on that property, and whose job it is to make sure they do it.
    ……
    What do expect from a couple of ambulance chasers?

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  55. Trump wants the schools to reopen, there’s no reason not to. Sorry, he didn’t express it in the “Correct” manner. He should have said “Mother May I”

    And we’re going to get more and more CV-19 hysteria and continue to ignore that JUST GETTING CV-19 is not a death sentence, it doesn’t even mean hospitalization. Here are the facts:

    3.2 Million American have/had CV-19 and lived through it. 135,000 have died – 70% of them over the age of 65. Your chance of dying of CV-19 if you’re under 50 and have no medical problems is about zero, assuming you go to a doctor if you feel extremely ill.

    Nothing is more absurd than to hear Sports writers on TV/Radio yakking about how “Dangerous” it will be for the NBA/NFL/MLB players to continue their sports. These are men under 40 and extremely strong and healthy. They’re in very little danger.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  56. I think the Governor of Missouri should stop the illegal harassment of the Gun toting couple by a left-wing, out-of-control DA. A dangerous mob? That’s A-OK with the DA. Protecting your home? Oops better harass them and send the cops to take their rifle.

    I assume the rifle is being taken as “evidence” to support a future charge of attempted murder or assault. Not to sure why the police would take it otherwise, or why a judge would sign off on a search order.

    Imagine what will happen if Trump is defeated. This sort of DA who supports riots will become more common and even more out-of-control.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  57. 251. But not his exploitation of same. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  58. And we’re going to get more and more CV-19 hysteria and continue to ignore that JUST GETTING CV-19 is not a death sentence, it doesn’t even mean hospitalization.

    What you call hysteria, most reasonable people call common sense. If you can keep from getting ill, or possibly transmitting infection, why wouldn’t you do that? Don’t you appreciate others doing that for your family and loved ones?

    Dana (25e0dc)

  59. Item 5: This is a thing that requires legislation. For the love of Pete.

    Remember how much candidate Trump attacked Obama over his use of EO?? Apparently he’s conveniently forgotten…

    Dana (25e0dc)

  60. @56 Amazing. Imaginary danger has caused Mississippi to run out of hospital beds.

    Nic (896fdf)

  61. 59. Your definition of “reasonable” differs from mine. I expect that as a “reasonable” person, you’ll avail yourself of “common sense” to wear a mask and cower away from as many people as possible during the next flu season, as well.

    Gryph (08c844)

  62. @60 I guess we should all just stand back and admire how consistent Trump is in his inconsistency. Sigh. The “there’s a tweet for everything” people are probably having a good time.

    Nic (896fdf)

  63. Dozens of US Marines in Japan’s Okinawa get coronavirus
    Dozens of U.S. Marines at two bases on the southern Japanese island of Okinawa have been infected with the coronavirus in what is feared to be a massive outbreak, Okinawa’s governor said Saturday, demanding an adequate explanation from the U.S. military.
    …….
    Local media, citing unnamed sources, said about 60 people had been infected.

    “Okinawans are shocked by what we were told (by the U.S. military),” Tamaki told a news conference. “We now have strong doubts that the U.S. military has taken adequate disease prevention measures.”

    ……. He said Okinawan officials also asked the Japanese government to demand that the U.S. provide details including the number of cases, seal off Futenma and Camp Hansen, and step up preventive measures on base.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  64. no it’s not, it’s unreasoning terror, that has created a ziggurat of bodies in ny, nj michigan, california, et al, while flatlining the economy, you want to ignore the real science instead of the claptrap that the lancet accepts, which you still haven’t acknowledged the fraud against the most effective treatment, of course derek thompson, was foremost in that fraud,

    narciso (7404b5)

  65. It looks like Tuberville will defeat Sessions in the runoff. If possible, Sessions should run for Senate in Alabama as an Independent just to stick it to Trump. Wouldn’t that be awesome? Trump exiting the White House at the same time Sessions is sworn in to the Senate. Or the Democrat Jones wins. Either way, Donald gets what he deserves.

    noel (4d3313)

  66. Hospitals in Houston are now having to turn away patients due to the the CoVid-19 breakout. They’re in overflow.

    https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/10/houston-coronavirus-emergency-rooms/

    Perhaps that’s why the mayor cancelled the state Republican convention. And why an increasing number of Republicans are declining to attend the national convention in Florida, where infections, hospitalizations and deaths are also spiking out of control.

    This is all the result of Trump’s and Navarro’s doomed and failed tarrifs and trade wars.

    https://reason.com/2020/07/11/trumps-trade-war-made-the-pandemic-worse-and-nationalism-will-slow-the-recovery/

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  67. 67. Hospitals in South Dakota were turning away patients for cancer treatment and open heart surgery because of CoViD cowardice, all while some of the state’s largest health networks (including Sanford and Avera) were laying off nurses and anesthetists because they couldn’t justify paying all of their staff.

    How much you wanna bet that, rather than being a result of an actual CoViD uptick, what you’re seeing is because of all those “elective” surgeries that were postponed, and being performed now? Maybe stop soiling your drawers and consider that “flattening the curve,” like every other policy enacted by bureaucrats, might have had some negative unintended consequences.

    Gryph (08c844)

  68. Trump administration admitting fewer persecuted Christian refugees
    …….
    Numbers cited by World Relief and Open Doors USA show that fewer Christians from the 50 countries where Christians face the most persecution were admitted to the United States in President Trump’s first three years in office combined than in 2016 alone.
    ……..
    So far in 2020, fewer than 950 Christians have been resettled from the 50 countries where discrimination against Christians is particularly acute. If the pace continues, the report said, this year’s level will be almost 90 percent below the 18,000 Christian refugees admitted five years ago.
    …….
    ……. In the first six months of 2020, 336 Christians from Myanmar were allowed to come, down from more than 11,000 settled in 2015. Only 43 Iraqi Christians were settled in the first half of the year, compared with 1,500 in 2015 and 2,000 in 2016.
    …….
    Christian conservatives who have supported taking in the persecuted faithful in years past have been among Trump’s most stalwart defenders. ………
    ………
    This is surprising given the vocal support Trump has given to evangelicals, though it’s mostly focused on abortion. It just goes to show how tied that support is to electoral politics than true belief.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  69. 53… or we could wait until FLA, TX, AZ collectively approach NY’s death total…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  70. Trump wants tax breaks to lure baseball fans back, but incentive could misfire with attendance still barred
    …….
    ……Trump has endorsed an “Explore America” tax credit that would give Americans a federal reimbursement for taking vacations in the United States……..

    But there are growing signs that the tax breaks the White House wants to use could fall flat, because many of the venues it is eyeing — such as sporting events and certain restaurants — are either closed or operating in a much different manner than they were before the outbreak.
    …..
    “Reducing the after-tax cost of taking a vacation is not going to address people’s fears of getting the virus while on vacation,” said Kyle Pomerleau, tax policy expert at the conservative-leaning American Enterprise Institute. “That is the fundamental issue facing these industries, and what the White House needs to understand.”
    ……..
    “ …….Restaurants and entertainment — and that would include sports leagues, all forms of entertainment — go back to the original, where they get tax deductibility for what they’re doing and for people who come in and buy tickets or go out for meals. And corporations can then send people into these restaurants who are going to have a hard time otherwise opening,” the president said in April. “And that could be the same for the sports leagues.”
    ………
    In May, Kudlow endorsed a proposal by Sen. Martha McSally (R-Ariz.) to provide tax credits of up to $4,000 that would reimburse families’ hotel and entertainment expenses while on vacation in the United States. The plan only applies to trips taken more than 50 miles from home. The plan would offer up to $8,000 in taxpayer dollars for a couple’s vacation.
    ……..
    The White House would not say how much its proposed tax deductions would cost…….
    ……..
    Experts say restoring the deduction to 2017 levels would cost approximately $2 billion a year. Restaurants alone are projected to lose as much as $240 billion in sales by the end of 2020 because of the coronavirus, according to the National Restaurant Association, an industry group. Revenue lost in the sports industry tops $12 billion. The entertainment industry faces losses of as much as $20 billion.
    ……..
    …….. The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, sent the White House a report that found that “changes in tax policy will not have a particularly significant effect” on spurring economic growth out of the pandemic. Stephen Moore, a longtime ally of Kudlow’s, said that the tax breaks for specific industry groups were a mistake that would create the perception of public subsidies for billionaires such as sports franchise owners, and amounted to the government “picking winners and losers” in the economy.
    ….

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  71. It looks like Tuberville will defeat Sessions in the runoff. If possible, Sessions should run for Senate in Alabama as an Independent just to stick it to Trump. Wouldn’t that be awesome? Trump exiting the White House at the same time Sessions is sworn in to the Senate. Or the Democrat Jones wins. Either way, Donald gets what he deserves.

    noel (4d3313) — 7/11/2020 @ 1:31 pm

    So conservative of you to say it would be good if a leftist gets elected. Do you happen to work for the Lincoln Project?

    NJRob (7a872e)

  72. What is joe biden? Some here think he is a bernie sanders, AOC leftist stooge. A smart conservative would realize the democratic corporate establishment and deep state ( they are about one in the same ) are throwing the left wing of the democratic party a bone to keep them happy. Party planks at the convention mean nothing as bernie and AOC will find out! This is just to keep the left on board so they don’t pull a 2016 and vote third party or leave the president preference blank as millions of democrats did in that election. Rememberestablishment and moderate democrats hated trump the left of the party disliked trump ;but hated hillary and think they won that election by keeping clinton out of party leadership. Corporate manipulator terry mccaulif and other corporatists will be running the democrats will be running the democrat economic agenda. As for social issues we will see.

    asset (3d3b6c)

  73. Trump wears a mask on visit to military medical center.
    President Donald Trump wore a mask on Saturday while visiting combat veterans and health care workers at Walter Reed Medical Center, the first time he has publicly done so during the pandemic.

    “Well I’ll probably have a mask, if you must know,” Mr. Trump said earlier Saturday outside the White House. “I mean, I’ll probably have a mask. I think when you’re in a hospital, especially in that particular setting where you’re talking to a lot of soldiers and people that in some cases just got off the operating tables, I think it’s a great thing to wear a mask. I’ve never been against masks but I do believe they have a time and a place.”

    The president has repeatedly dismissed suggestions that he wear a mask, frequently appearing in public spaces without one, mocking those who do and ignoring public health rules in several states.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  74. 3.2 Million American have/had CV-19 and lived through it. 135,000 have died – 70% of them over the age of 65. Your chance of dying of CV-19 if you’re under 50 and have no medical problems is about zero, assuming you go to a doctor if you feel extremely ill.

    Entity United States
    Date 11-Jul-20
    Case fatality rate of COVID-19 (%) 4.211
    Total confirmed deaths due to COVID-19 (deaths) 134097
    Median Age 37.599998

    These are the actual numbers, how many hundreds of thousands of folks over 60 do you want to die because you’re too selfish and lazy than to take the simple expedient of wearing a freaking mask. There are 57M Americans over the age of 60? 100,000? 500,000? The first is already a best case.

    Also, people dying under the age of 4 is not zero, 4-60 way way way more than zero. Put a number to it, how many hundreds of thousands does it take to matter to you?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  75. assuming you go to a doctor if you feel extremely ill.

    There are hospitals that don’t have enough ICU beds for the patients who urgently need them. They’re not all old people.
    And again: some people in their 30s and 40s who didn’t die have reported that they are suffering symptoms two months later — and we don’t yet know how long the effects might last.

    The countries that took it all more seriously and were strongly proactive appear to be coming through with lower relative death counts and the ability to reopen businesses more quickly.

    It would have been nice to have president who doesn’t see it only as a problem for himself while a segment of the population takes the position that proactive measures are an attack on Dear Leader.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  76. A Mail Carrier Took People’s Absentee Ballot Requests And Switched Their Party To Republican
    ……..
    Thomas Cooper, 47, of Dry Fork signed an agreement in which he pleaded guilty to one count of attempting to defraud the residents of West Virginia of a fair election and one count of injury to the mail.

    In a May 26 criminal complaint, prosecutors detailed how the Clerk of Pendleton County discovered the eight 2020 primary election COVID-19 mail-in absentee requests appeared to have been altered using a black pen.

    Five of the requests had been altered so the voters’ ballot choice was switched from Democrat to Republican. But the clerk knew some of the voters were not Republicans, and when she called them they told her they had used blue pens to request Democratic ballots before dropping off the requests at the post office.
    ……
    Cooper faces up to eight years in prison, although prosecutors have agreed as part of the plea deal to call for a reduced sentence.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  77. The McCloskeys might have been “red flagged”, but I really don’t care enough to even Google whether that place has a red flag law.

    nk (1d9030)

  78. I was reading A piece by Daniel J. Mahoney, and the following caught my eye [bold mine]:

    Scruton saw no vision of France and French culture of the kind that was so eloquently expressed in de Gaulle’s War Memoirs (1955). De Gaulle had a “certain idea of France,” noble and elevated, one that combined loyalty to country with great enterprises. No Napoléon, he always respected the basic liberties of the French people. His vision was constructive and had nothing to do with the “adolescent insouciance” of pseudo-revolutionaries intent on “throwing away all customs, institutions, and achievements.” The greatest French statesman of the century placed his faith in the best resources of French and European civilization.

    This seems much like what is currently transpiring around us as monuments are toppled, calls for defunding of Police, and abandonment of what used to be civility.

    So why is this happening again? Let me take up only the question of how it is possible for the forces pushing this next iteration of violent revolution, to successfully conscript the collaborators who do the physical destruction on the streets. How to sucker the useful idiots who really do not know what is going on in the big-picture?

    The first step would be to deny them the education that would, otherwise, innoculate them from the errors of the past. Then attempt to convince this miseducated audience that the benefits of society do not belong to them. That history does not belong to them. That they had been denied the enjoyment of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that was promised. That everything, as it now exists, made them and keeps them powerless.

    Then they just need to be told that this power is theirs for the taking. No promises need to be made, just a little organizing.

    The sad thing is, the whole revolution could be ended by a call of a return to sanity, made by a truly great leader. This is our “1968” Where is our De Gaulle?

    If you think that no longer teaching proper history and civics in school contributed to this, wait until the 1619 propaganda project gets fully entrenched in the public school systems. Fortunately there is the 1776 counter-movement.

    felipe (023cc9)

  79. Someone up thread either through dishonesty or stupidity stated the MEDIAN AGE of CV-19 death was 37. For those of you who forgot your statistics class that means 50% of deaths occur under the age of 37. This is a LIE

    The following is the CDC table showing deaths by Age group for CV-19:

    https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

    As you will see, cum deaths thru 7-8-20 are 112,228 (obviously some deaths have not been recorded by age) and approximately 8,500 are for those under 55. By Comparison 90,000 over the age of 65 have died. Thanks to whoever posted the obviously incorrect numbers since it lead me to a source I haven’t been using.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  80. narciso (7404b5) — 7/11/2020 @ 10:54 am

    And do you know what “special” benefit composting, especially by those new to composting, bestows? rats, and lots of them.

    felipe (023cc9)

  81. Felipe @79: Where is our De Gaulle?
    De Gaulle fled Paris to West Germany in May 1968:

    …….
    He told his son-in-law Alain de Boissieu, “I do not want to give them a chance to attack the Élysée. It would be regrettable if blood were shed in my personal defense. I have decided to leave: nobody attacks an empty palace.” De Gaulle refused Pompidou’s request that he dissolve the National Assembly as he believed that their party, the Gaullists, would lose the resulting election. At 11:00 am, he told Pompidou, “I am the past; you are the future; I embrace you.”

    The government announced that de Gaulle was going to his country home in Colombey-les-Deux-Églises before returning the next day, and rumors spread that he would prepare his resignation speech there. The presidential helicopter did not arrive in Colombey, however, and de Gaulle had told no one in the government where he was going. For more than six hours the world did not know where the French president was. The canceling of the ministerial meeting, and the president’s mysterious disappearance, stunned the French, including Pompidou, who shouted, “He has fled the country!”
    ……..
    Pompidou unsuccessfully requested that military radar be used to follow de Gaulle’s two helicopters, but soon learned that he had gone to the headquarters of the French military in Germany, in Baden-Baden, to meet General Jacques Massu. Massu persuaded the discouraged de Gaulle to return to France; now knowing that he had the military’s support, de Gaulle rescheduled the meeting of the Council of Ministers for the next day, 30 May,[9] and returned to Colombey by 6:00 pm[17] His wife Yvonne gave the family jewels to their son and daughter-in-law—who stayed in Baden for a few more days—for safekeeping, however, indicating that the de Gaulles still considered Germany a possible refuge. Massu kept as a state secret de Gaulle’s loss of confidence until others disclosed it in 1982;……
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  82. Rip Murdock (41bc87) — 7/11/2020 @ 4:32 pm

    Rip, I suspect that you did not understand my reference. Perhaps it is because you did not read the post I linked at the beginning. For your edification:

    After a month or more of violence, barricades, and unrest in the universities, and a general strike by millions of workers, Aron applauded de Gaulle’s radio address of May 30, 1968, which tried to recall the French people to their senses—and largely succeeded in doing so. In his radio address, de Gaulle denounced the “totalitarian enterprise” that was the Communist Party and demanded a return to order in which teachers could teach, students could learn, and workers could work again. He spoke with a laconic eloquence to the non-communist majority (three quarters or more of the French) who did not want to see a revolutionary solution to the crisis provoked by the soixante-huitards. On this occasion, unlike a televised address he gave a week earlier, de Gaulle worked his old magic, his return to the radio being reminiscent of his famous “Appeal” to honor and resistance of June 18, 1940. Hundreds of thousands of French citizens, France’s silent majority, spontaneously marched down the Champs-Élysées to express support for de Gaulle and the restoration of ordered liberty and constitutional government. Aron was among them.

    The threat of political revolution, or of the collapse of the Fifth Republic, was thus averted. De Gaulle called elections for July that resulted in a Gaullist supermajority. How, then, can we speak of “the events” as being fundamentally revolutionary and transformative in character when they failed to bring down the established order?

    felipe (023cc9)

  83. Red danny bendit architect of the eu, the left overshot themselves, it would take 13 years for them to win the big prize.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  84. People in a hospital are more vulnerable, qed.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  85. Narciso (7404b5) — 7/11/2020 @ 4:41 pm

    True. Amplification is a B1tch.

    felipe (023cc9)

  86. Of course if massu challe and salan, had their way bendit and co wouldnt have had their reindeer games.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  87. MSNBC
    @MSNBC

    Phoenix Mayor Gallego says Maricopa Co. has requested refrigerated trucks because one health system in the region has run out of morgue beds.
    __ _

    Charles Stanton Noble Prize Winner
    @cstanton
    ·
    So much blood on the hands of trump
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    TJ Melon
    @tj_melon
    ·
    Will Ivanka be sending some of her special Ivanka branded coffins? Trumps are always ready to cash in on other America’s hardships and misery….
    __ _

    Spiro
    @o_rips
    ·
    Phoenix Mayor @MayorGallego claimed PHX hospitals ran out of morgue space because of COVID & had to order refrigerated trucks for the bodies

    Scary right?

    Turns out she was wrong! Abrazo hospitals released a statement contradicting the Mayor’s claim

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/10/phoenix-mayor-peddles-misinformation-about-hospital-morgue-space-to-pick-partisan-fight/

    __ _


    Linda P
    @porridgecottage

    False information. Should be removed.

    Democrats in the state believe they need to discredit Gov Doug Ducey’s COVID-19 response if they want to succeed in flipping John McCain’s old Senate seat
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    Cheesewheel
    @Cathairi

    If MSDNC removed things for being false, they’d have no archives at all.
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    Sal DiCiccio
    @Sal_DiCiccio

    It’s unfortunate PHX is picking a fight during a crisis with the fed govt when they’ve done so much to help us. Fact: the feds sent PHX $293 million for COVID. PHX squandered it. Very little was used for testing but MILLIONS went to hand outs for arts & liberal activist groups.
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    harkin (5af287)

  88. @83-
    Thanks. Unfortunately there is no one on the political scene who has such respect among all Americans to pull off what de Gaulle did. Usually that task is for the President, but not now. De Gaulle also had large reservoir of respect from his role during the war, nothing of which exists here (or in France). He was a product of his times.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  89. Exactly right, Rip. That was my point.

    felipe (023cc9)

  90. You dont read your own link, do you buck.
    Degaulle frankly was surrounded by a soviet spy ring, he betrayed israel for the arabs, notably supply saddam with his reactor. pulled out of nato.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  91. @83-
    What is more likely is the desire for an authoritarian leader of action, not someone who offers an appeal to unity.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  92. There was a crisis of authority in that era lyndon kiesinger degaulle whoever was in italys center square forlani.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  93. Rip Murdock (41bc87) — 7/11/2020 @ 4:55 pm

    Forgive my old puttering brain, but someone, I forget who, claimed that that is why we got Trump. I should hope that that urge has, now, been attenuated. Or perhaps that urge was never fulfilled? Your guess is as good as mine.

    felipe (023cc9)

  94. We have seen who are the real totalitarians reveal themselves. This cycle

    Narciso (7404b5)

  95. Narciso (7404b5) — 7/11/2020 @ 4:59 pm

    Yes, I remember that fracas.

    felipe (023cc9)

  96. Off-topic: The WaPo laments that Trump lost at the Supreme Court, but we still won’t see his taxes by November

    But wait. All those seeking those returns have sworn to the Court that they want them for legitimate reasons and they would NEVER EVER think of leaking them to the press. The press obviously thinks that’s a lie. And it is.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  97. 91… you can lead a mule to water, narciso…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  98. Theyll feed mikey i mean maddow any old rumor thought.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  99. Where is our De Gaulle?

    I’d like to mail some university presidents a tam o’shanter. Long-time Californians will get that.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  100. There are no more hayakawas heck not even silbers sorry.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  101. #80: There was a medical-info site that posted some wild claims about large numbers of under-45 deaths that turned out to be a “mistake” — long after the 4,523 articles quoting them were posted.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  102. Not even a Larry Summers.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  103. Trump’s attacks on mail voting are turning Republicans off absentee ballots
    …….
    In several primaries this spring, Democratic voters have embraced mail ballots in far larger numbers than Republicans during a campaign season defined by the coronavirus pandemic. And when they urge their supporters to vote by mail, GOP campaigns around the country are hearing from more and more Republican voters who say they do not trust absentee ballots, according to multiple strategists. In one particularly vivid example, a group of Michigan voters held a public burning of their absentee ballot applications last month.
    ……

    The president, however, has been arguing the opposite. Nearly daily in recent weeks and usually on Twitter, Trump has attacked mail balloting, leveling many unsubstantiated allegations. He has claimed without evidence that it will lead to widespread fraud and that foreign governments will try to dump millions of forged ballots into U.S. elections. He has accused Democrats of using the pandemic to expand mail balloting for political gain.

    “Because of MAIL-IN BALLOTS, 2020 will be the most RIGGED Election in our nations history — unless this stupidity is ended,” the president tweeted late last month. “We voted during World War One & World War Two with no problem, but now they are using Covid in order to cheat by using Mail-Ins!”

    ……..
    Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh said the president is critical of universal mail balloting, not the kind of absentee voting available to only a narrow group of qualified voters, such as older voters or those out of the country on Election Day.
    “What the president is talking about is efforts on the Democrats’ part to weaken the integrity of our elections,” Murtaugh said.

    However, in 29 states — including Florida, where Trump himself voted by mail this year — there is no such distinction. Any voter is allowed to cast a ballot by mail.
    ……..
    The campaign has launched what another adviser, Chris Carr, called an “aggressive” effort to get voters to cast ballots by mail, including direct contacts with those who have voted absentee in the past and a successful test run in a recent California election.

    The president’s message “doesn’t mean we don’t push absentee in a state that allows it,” Carr said.
    …….
    In Virginia, 118,000 voters applied for absentee ballots for Democratic primaries June 23, while only 59,000 voters did so for the Republican primary…….
    ……..
    Similarly, in Georgia’s June  9 primaries, about 600,000 voters cast mail ballots in Democratic primaries, while about 524,000 did so in Republican contests…….

    It’s a legitimate question whether or not the president’s rhetoric changes voter behavior on the Republican side,” said Josh Holmes, a longtime adviser to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). “I think there’s some evidence to suggest that it has.”
    ………
    Or the Republicans can have their friendly mail carrier change the ballot application for them (see #77)!

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  104. Democrats are the Party of Death… ensuring that millions of babies – especially black and brown babies – will not get a chance at life… and they are so enamored of dead people they even let them vote in elections.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  105. I know, right?

    Politician 1: well, we made a fine mess. How are we going to clean this up?
    Pol 2: Heh, let’s ask Trump to pay for it!
    Pol 1: Hey that’s great, but wait, he’s just gonna say “no!”
    pol 2: Riiight, and what does THAT tell you?

    pol 1&2 in unison: That there’s a crisis not to waste!

    felipe (023cc9)

  106. Of course they are, republicans are more the party of ‘it’ll be fine’ as will jordam puts it. Nunes did the heavy lifting while burr let warner hamdle him like a chew toy.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  107. Initially i thought bring in the troops, but then again how will they ever learn the lesson

    Narciso (7404b5)

  108. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/11/2020 @ 6:01 pm

    Planned Parenthood, meet the mob.

    felipe (023cc9)

  109. @106
    Republican party: “But the babies, you have to vote us in for the babies!”
    Republican party holding all branches of the government: Does nothing about the babies.
    Republican party might lose branches of government: “But the babies, you have to vote us in for the babies!”

    Fool you once? Fool you twice? Fool you every election since 1972? Learn anything? Nope.

    Nic (896fdf)

  110. I say again that Trump is the Democrat Party’s nuclear weapon. Rather than attack the GOP from the outside, they have sent their hireling into our midst to eat out our substance. And enough people were so disenchanted with both parties that they signed on to this RF. It’s no mistake that Bill Clinton told Trump he should run. In doing so he screwed the GOP and Hillary at the same time. Win-win. Bill must laugh himself to sleep every night and wake up chortling every morning.

    If this seems to say that I think that Trump’s die-hard partisans are too stupid for words, well, I can’t say that here, so I didn’t.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  111. You have a terrorist inspired army burning everything in site, you have the three amigos laying waste to not only biology butthe primacy of law and furthering bill of attainders time to grow up.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  112. Nic @111,

    What do you think the Republicans should or could have done for the babies? How could they have ensured that every Supreme Court Justice nominated by a Republican president would vote to overturn Roe v Wade?

    norcal (a5428a)

  113. You know you have dredged the dregs of a New York sewer when you compare a big-nosed, frog-eating, surrender monkey favorably to the said dregs of a New York sewer you now have in the White House.

    nk (1d9030)

  114. And, could they have gotten a judge who was a “sure thing” confirmed by a filibustering Senate?

    norcal (a5428a)

  115. @114 Oh, I don’t think they can do a dammed thing. Sound and fury signifying nothing. A sham, a charade, a show. Slight of hand. Smoke and mirrors. Don’t look at the man behind the curtain. Speak loudly and don’t even know where your stick is. It’s all a hoax to get votes.

    Nic (896fdf)

  116. Degaulle was brave in 1940, no doubt he was stupid in 46, when he sent the army back into indochina, he was foolish to a) promise the pied noirs something he couldnt deliver and b) betray them.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  117. The abortion theater as co-produced, co-written, co-directed, and co-acted, by the Republicans and Democrats, is nothing more than a scam, and that’s a fact that’s never going to change.

    nk (1d9030)

  118. I see that I co-posted with Nic.

    nk (1d9030)

  119. You want to feed the crocodile and hope he doesnt eat you, how well does that work with douglas and cervantes are fair game, you can never be woke enough.

    I liked nixon for his scrappy nature he took down golden boy voorhis and then hiss , that was unforgivable even though the lattwr was the most high profile soviet agent.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  120. We saw with stem express the real horror, they are still punishing daleiden for speaking out. That jackalope becerra who doesnt have an original thought in his mind.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  121. nk (1d9030) — 7/11/2020 @ 7:00 pm

    And they said “it couldn’t be done”.

    [in singsong voice of Jack Albertson]
    But it can be dooone!

    felipe (023cc9)

  122. @120 Yep. 😛

    @121 Given that we are currently being eaten by a crocodile, the argument that that one over there might eat us if we escape this one is not very convincing. With this one, I know I’ll get eaten. With that one, I might still escape.

    Nic (896fdf)

  123. 1968 was a temper tantrum like we see now, the excuse then was vietnam but seeinf as neither germany france or italy were involved there, its kind of thread bare.

    The infinitely spoiled were on display then as now with the bandplayers from the earlier iteration playing the notes

    Narciso (7404b5)

  124. Michael Cohen Returned to Jail in Dispute Over Trump Book
    ……..
    (Michael) Cohen’s return to jail was the latest twist in a case whose dizzying ups and downs have prolonged the legal woes of a man who once said he would take a bullet for Mr. Trump and later implicated the president in federal crimes.

    Last week, Mr. Cohen said on Twitter that he anticipated releasing a book in late September. Mr. Davis said on Thursday that the book was ready for publication and would recount Mr. Cohen’s experiences working for Mr. Trump for years.
    …….
    As part of his home confinement, probation officers asked Mr. Cohen on Thursday to agree to eight conditions, including “no engagement of any kind with the media, including print, TV, film, books, or any other form of media/news,” according to a copy of the document obtained by The New York Times.

    The purpose of the prohibition, the document said, was to “avoid glamorizing or bringing publicity to your status as a sentenced inmate serving a custodial term in the community.”
    …….
    After Mr. Cohen refused to sign the agreement, the probation officers said they would try to work out a resolution, Mr. Davis said.

    Mr. Cohen and another of his lawyers, Jeffrey Levine, waited about 90 minutes, Mr. Davis said. Three federal marshals then arrived and, without warning, began to take Mr. Cohen into custody.
    ………
    Further analysis: Top Experts: DOJ’s Bureau of Prison Blocking Michael Cohen Book about Trump Violates First Amendment
    Cohen better watch his back. Maybe he’ll “suicide”.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  125. This has been stuck in moderation for 8 hours, so re-posting w/o the naughty word:

    Establishing those White Power bona fides for 2024 already:

    Tucker Carlson’s top writer resigns after secretly posting racist and sexist remarks in online forum

    The top writer for Fox News host Tucker Carlson has for years been using a pseudonym to post bigoted remarks on an online forum that is a hotbed for racist, sexist, and other offensive content, CNN Business learned this week.

    Just this week, the writer, Blake Neff, responded to a thread started by another user in 2018 with the subject line, “Would u let a JET BLACK congo n****er do lasik eye surgery on u for 50% off?” Neff wrote, “I wouldn’t get LASIK from an Asian for free, so no.” (The subject line was not censored on the forum.) On June 5, Neff wrote, “Black doods staying inside playing Call of Duty is probably one of the biggest factors keeping crime down.” On June 24, Neff commented, “Honestly given how tired black people always claim to be, maybe the real crisis is their lack of sleep.” On June 26, Neff wrote that the only people who care about changing the name of the NFL’s Washington Redsk!ns are “white libs and their university-‘educated’ pets.”

    […]

    Neff worked at Fox News for nearly four years and was Carlson’s top writer. Previously, he was a reporter at The Daily Caller, a conservative news outlet that Carlson co-founded. In a recent article in the Dartmouth Alumni Magazine, Neff said, “Anything [Carlson is] reading off the teleprompter, the first draft was written by me.” He also acknowledged the show’s influence, telling the magazine, “We’re very aware that we do have that power to sway the conversation, so we try to use it responsibly.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  126. Americans’ Abortion Views Steady in Past Year-Gallup 6/29/20
    Americans’ overall stance on abortion has been stable in recent years, with the 48% calling themselves “pro-choice” and 46% “pro-life” similar to the close division on this measure observed most years since 2010.

    For the past decade, an average of 47% of Americans have identified as pro-choice and 47% as pro-life. Almost every poll conducted during those years has revealed a close division in identification — except in 2015, when the public tilted pro-choice, and in 2012, when it was more pro-life. Before that, from 1995 to 2009, the public leaned more pro-choice than pro-life by 49% to 43%, on average.
    …….
    The survey also finds Americans closely divided when asked about the morality of abortion: 44% call it morally acceptable and 47% morally wrong. This three-percentage-point difference is slightly smaller than the average five-point gap seen since 2013.
    …….
    Consistent with the trend since 1975, a plurality of Americans choose the middle position, saying abortion should be legal only under certain circumstances (50%). However, nearly as many hold one of two doctrinaire views — wanting abortion legal under any circumstances (29%) or wanting it illegal in all circumstances (20%).
    ……..
    This is why there is no action on abortion, as well as the lack of a super majority in Congress to pass an amendment banning abortion. The Supreme Court reads the polls too

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  127. Is that all you got buck, fool got caught not reporting income from taxi medallions thought he could play the john dean card, but he got no game

    Narciso (7404b5)

  128. I’ve had a comment in moderation for about 8 hours, due to the naughty football team name.

    An attempt at reposting with the word altered also got blocked, for some reason.

    If somebody would unblock the first attempt, and delete the second, it would be great…

    Dave (1bb933)

  129. All those seeking those returns have sworn to the Court that they want them for legitimate reasons and they would NEVER EVER think of leaking them to the press.

    Can you cite anywhere that the Congressional plaintiffs made that representation to the court?

    Dave (1bb933)

  130. Cancellation on the way…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  131. Apparently it is not the name of the football team, but anything including the letters

    e-d-s-k

    that gets comments moderated.

    I vaguely remember a troll using that handle a while ago.

    Dave (1bb933)

  132. even d-s-k

    gets moderated…

    Dave (1bb933)

  133. One in Four Americans Consider Abortion a Key Voting Issue

    Nearly half of U.S. adults (47%) polled in May, before the recent Supreme Court decision on abortion, say the issue will be just one of many important factors in their vote for a candidate for a major office; 25% do not consider it a major issue. At the same time, the 24% of U.S. adults who say they will vote only for a candidate who shares their views on the issue is, along with last year, significantly higher than most other years in the trend.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  134. Establishing those White Power bona fides for 2024 already:

    Tucker Carlson’s top writer resigns after secretly posting racist and sexist remarks in online forum

    Tucker Carlson’s top writer resigns after secretly posting racist and sexist remarks in online forum

    The top writer for Fox News host Tucker Carlson has for years been using a pseudonym to post bigoted remarks on an online forum that is a hotbed for racist, sexist, and other offensive content, CNN Business learned this week.

    Just this week, the writer, Blake Neff, responded to a thread started by another user in 2018 with the subject line, “Would u let a JET BLACK congo n****er do lasik eye surgery on u for 50% off?” Neff wrote, “I wouldn’t get LASIK from an Asian for free, so no.” (The subject line was not censored on the forum.) On June 5, Neff wrote, “Black doods staying inside playing Call of Duty is probably one of the biggest factors keeping crime down.” On June 24, Neff commented, “Honestly given how tired black people always claim to be, maybe the real crisis is their lack of sleep.” On June 26, Neff wrote that the only people who care about changing the name of the NFL’s Washington [R-e-d-s-k-i-n-s] are “white libs and their university-‘educated’ pets.”

    […]

    Neff worked at Fox News for nearly four years and was Carlson’s top writer. Previously, he was a reporter at The Daily Caller, a conservative news outlet that Carlson co-founded. In a recent article in the Dartmouth Alumni Magazine, Neff said, “Anything [Carlson is] reading off the teleprompter, the first draft was written by me.” He also acknowledged the show’s influence, telling the magazine, “We’re very aware that we do have that power to sway the conversation, so we try to use it responsibly.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  135. Testing:
    Red twilight, sailors’ delight. Red sky at morning, sailors take warning.

    nk (1d9030)

  136. Okay, finally watched Sarah Cooper. Monsieur Le President L’Orange is talking about the Ronny Lynn Jackson (yes, his parents were probably expecting a girl) exam from a couple of years ago. I’m pretty sure it was all on the up-and-up:

    In May 2020, Jackson accused President Obama of “[weaponizing] the highest levels of our government to spy on President Trump.”[44] Jackson added: “Every Deep State traitor deserves to be brought to justice for their heinous actions.”[44]

    nk (1d9030)

  137. Take the deuce that tester dumped on captain jackson himself through a third party (yes vulgarity is merited in this case)

    Narciso (7404b5)

  138. The rise of a semi-coherent and cognitively challenged pervert named Joe Biden should also drive home the point that both political wings of the UniParty flock, are without a doubt a Potemkin village seeking to disguise a schiff load of powerful interests.

    mg (8cbc69)

  139. The abortion theater as co-produced, co-written, co-directed, and co-acted, by the Republicans and Democrats, is nothing more than a scam, and that’s a fact that’s never going to change.

    Three generations of women have had the abortion right during their child-bearing years. The youngest woman who did not have that right was born in the 1930’s. This is done. It would take a spiritual awakening the likes this world has never seen to change hearts and minds enough.

    At best, the abortion right can be limited to adult women in the first trimester and I kind of think that’s not going to happen either. The left and right use this scam to drum up funds from the faithful, but it’s really cynical now.

    The GOP has appointed 15 of the last 19 justices and not only haven;t they repealed this, 5 Republicans signed onto Roe.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  140. Can you cite anywhere that the Congressional plaintiffs made that representation to the court?

    That they had legitimate reasons? Sure. That they would never ever leak them? Probably not but that’s implied in the first part.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  141. Or do you suppose they argued it would be OK for the committee(s) to leak tax returns?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  142. And we just had a false narrative started in Detroit where a drug dealer tried firing at point blank range on a police officer when he was shot by fellow officers. The anti-cops arranged a giant staged riot claiming he was shot trying to surrender so the police had to release body cam video showing the guy trying to kill cops.

    This is the world being created by those with an anti-cop agenda and trying to overturn America.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  143. Or do you suppose they argued it would be OK for the committee(s) to leak tax returns?

    No.

    You claimed:

    All those seeking those returns have sworn to the Court that they want them for legitimate reasons and they would NEVER EVER think of leaking them to the press.

    … with TRUMPCAPS(tm) just to emphasize that the last part was a complete fabrication, I guess.

    Whether they want them for legitimate reasons and whether the material would leak are essentially unrelated questions.

    Dave (1bb933)

  144. The Lincoln Project names the guilty.

    Every time they had a choice between America and Trump

    They.

    Chose.

    Trump.

    Great stuff.

    Dave (1bb933)

  145. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 6:35 pm

    Dark and cynical, Kevin, but not wrong.

    Paul Montagu (c1335d)

  146. It’s not a coincidence that white nationalists seem to follow Tucker wherever he goes.
    There were several white nationalist contributors at the Daily Caller, which he co-founded, including the racist who organized the infamous Charlottesville rally. His being seriously considered in 2024 is a tell-tale of how much this GOP has gone to the gutter.

    Paul Montagu (c1335d)

  147. Whether they want them for legitimate reasons and whether the material would leak are essentially unrelated questions.

    The first one is debatable, the second one is certain. This may be why the Court punted it back to the lower courts. They couldn’t actually call the Congressmen scoundrels, now could they?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  148. Nevertheless, despite your claim, nobody swore to any court “that they would NEVER EVER think of leaking them to the press.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  149. Every time they had a choice between America and Trump

    Suppose you have to decide between Trump, America and the conspiracy that they call the Democrat Party? Only America is not on the ballot.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  150. Nevertheless, despite your claim, nobody swore to any court “that they would NEVER EVER think of leaking them to the press.”

    Next up we will explain metaphor, simile and hyperbole as tools in argument.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  151. The business of Congress is the business of the American people.

    Except in cases where national security would be jeopardized, which this most assuredly is not, that business should be conducted openly in the public view.

    Dave (1bb933)

  152. But, OK, Dave, how much would you bet they don’t leak before the election? In even thousands. You know it, I know it, the Court knows it and the Washington Post knows it.

    It is implicit in the argument they made to the court that they would not leak, that they had legitimate reasons for these returns and that they would respect the confidentiality the law demands.

    But they wouldn’t and everyone with more than a 6th grade education would know that. Trump, too.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  153. It is implicit in the argument they made to the court that they would not leak, that they had legitimate reasons for these returns and that they would respect the confidentiality the law demands.

    No, it isn’t and it wasn’t.

    Madame Putin’s arguments to the court had nothing to do with the possibility of any leaks either. It was purely a separation of powers, branch vs. branch argument.

    And the court’s non-decision decision was rendered on that basis too.

    Dave (1bb933)

  154. Courts make these inferences all the time, like when they block Trump’s orders to refuse entry to persons from certain countries. They just can’t call a congressional chairman a bloody liar like they can the president.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  155. @147 Wow, the Lincoln project is taking NO prisoners. They are ruthless.

    Nic (896fdf)

  156. I am supposed to vote for a man to fix this nation who has been in office for nearly a half century, who cannot think himself out of a wet paper bag, and is backed by the very same people who are looting, burning, shooting and dismantling Democrat run inner cites. You lawyer people need help for your boy Joey. Just like humpty dumpty all the kings horses and all the kings men will not be able to put joey back together again.

    mg (8cbc69)

  157. Are that much of a fool, montagu, they are burning the country down where they have control, they have created an army led by a n ex marxist terrorist, while you bitch about boogaloos, obama biden panetta kerry they were all brezhnevs dog in the 80s when the war was hot.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  158. No, mg, vote for “Mr. Cognitive” who pardons war criminals, and crooks who lie under oath to protect him, and won’t lift a finger when one of his buddy dictators is paying bounties for our soldiers’ lives.

    The one who claims that the Constitution he’s never read gives him “the right to do whatever I want as president.”

    The one who bragged about sexually assaulting women and peeping at naked little girls.

    Dave (1bb933)

  159. Wow, the Lincoln project is taking NO prisoners. They are ruthless.

    It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall.

    Dave (1bb933)

  160. 147. Good ad.

    DRJ (aede82)

  161. Binary Choice, mg. The corrupt conman/dictator Dave describes or the senile Democrat. It is a terrible choice like 2016 but this time we know who Trump is.

    DRJ (aede82)

  162. this time we know who Trump is

    He’s exactly who he was during the ’16 campaign, DRJ.

    Did you doubt that’s how he’d be? If so, why?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  163. Gun sales continue to soar. People are preparing to defend themselves. Continued threats can only last so long before a clinger defends ones way of life. Churches continue to burn. Crickets from the Biden flock.

    mg (8cbc69)

  164. Wow, the Lincoln project is taking NO prisoners. They are ruthless.

    Led by lead grifter/pansy Rick Wilson.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  165. Red twilight, sailors’ delight. Red sky at morning, sailors take warning.

    Red streets at dawn, Chicagoans yawn…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  166. lurker,

    I knew he was a conman because of Trump University and his many other businesses; an insecure entertainer who craved attention (as they all are/do); and a chameleon of questionable morals. As a NY real estate person, I assumed he engaged in or tolerated corruption. There has never been much about Trump for West Texans like me to trust or admire.

    But some Presidents have risen to the office, and I hoped Trump would recognize his great opportunities and sobering responsibilities. But he did not, perhaps because he is so self-absorbed. It also seems among his many flaws is an addiction to power and, like his other flaws, he cannot overcome them. Not surprising but still disappointing.

    DRJ (aede82)

  167. The Zipper

    In a crowded city at a busy bus stop, a woman who was waiting for a bus was wearing a tight leather skirt.
    As the bus stopped and it was her turn to get on, she became aware that her skirt was too tight to allow
    her leg to come up to the height of the first step of the bus.

    Slightly embarrassed and with a quick smile to the bus driver, she reached behind her to unzip her skirt a little,
    thinking that this would give her enough slack to raise her leg.

    Again, she tried to make the step only to discover she still couldn’t. So, a little more embarrassed, she once
    again reached behind her to unzip her skirt a little more. A second time she attempted the step, and
    once again, much to her chagrin, she could not raise her leg. Even on her third attempt, she was unable to make the step.

    About this time, a large Texan, who was standing behind her, picked her up easily by the waist and placed her
    gently on the step of the bus. She went ballistic and turned to the would-be Samaritan and screeched,
    “How dare you touch my body! I don’t even know who you are!”

    The Texan smiled and drawled, “Well, ma’am, normally I would agree with you, but after you unzipped my fly
    three times, I kinda figured we already knew each other.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  168. #169

    Thanks. I can’t fault your being hopeful.

    lurker (d8c5bc)


  169. American Jewish Committee
    @AJCGlobal
    ·
    “Antisemitism isn’t a problem for Jews to solve. It is a societal problem. Non-Jews must fight it.”

    Meet @HHuffnagleAJC, a committed Christian and AJC’s new U.S. Director for Combating Antisemitism.
    __ _

    Howard Dean
    @GovHowardDean
    ·
    Unfortunately Christians don’t have much a reputation for anything but hate these days thanks to Franklin Graham and Jerry Falwell and other trump friends. AJC gets no points for this. twitter.com/ajcglobal/stat…
    __ _

    Carl Paulus
    @CarlPaulus

    It seems like the former chair of the DNC stating in public that Christians today have a reputation for hate should be something Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden would be asked about, but they won’t. Nor will this worldview be connected to forcing nuns to buy birth control.
    __ _

    Andrew Mark Bennett
    @acandidworld
    ·
    Replying to
    @GovHowardDean

    what does “AJC gets no points for this” even mean?
    __ _

    mask wearing mikey
    @mikeyfranklin
    ·
    Replying to @GovHowardDean

    when did you totally lose the plot?
    __

    harkin (5af287)

  170. The education secretary, Betsy DeVos, presses the Trump administration’s case for reopening schools

    Education Secretary Betsy DeVos pushed ahead Sunday with the Trump administration’s pressure campaign on schools to resume in-person classes this fall, using a television show tour to downplay both the resurgence of the virus and guidelines issued by the administration’s own health officials.
    ……
    On both CNN and “Fox News Sunday,” Ms. DeVos reiterated the administration’s stance that the C.D.C. guidelines, which call in-person classes the “highest risk” scenario and recommend a range of safety precautions to keep children and teachers safe, were not mandatory.
    ……..
    When asked about Mr. Trump’s threats to federal funding, Ms. DeVos gave conflicting answers. She said on Fox that if schools did not reopen, “they shouldn’t get the funds,” while saying on CNN that “there’s no desire to take money away — in fact, we want to see schools open and have been committed to ensuring the resources are there to do that.”

    The hosts of both programs noted that she did not appear to have the authority to carry out the threat.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  171. yes its based on science from the european experience, not prestidigitation from ferguson and murray,

    narciso (7404b5)

  172. about how I feel, I didn’t live through this, my parents explicitly got me out of there, the bloc committees the ration books, listen to that twit cortes, I would like to think she has no influence by the asylum is run by the patients,

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/07/12/watch-cuban-immigrant-warns-about-the-deadly-pill-americans-are-about-to-swall-n2572332

    narciso (7404b5)

  173. netflix whitewashes this escoria, scum, and most are ignorant to it, a typical action,

    https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/the-real-story-of-netflixs-wasp-network-who-were-the-cuban-five/

    narciso (7404b5)

  174. The U.S. had 68,226 new cases on Friday.
    Florida’s new daily record on Covid: 15,300 new cases, positivity 15.1%. 45 fatalities.

    Europe is mostly getting back to normal life.
    In Taiwan, they’re now having normal baseball games.

    It makes a big difference to have competent leadership that takes a pandemic seriously. Though TBF, the “I don’t believe experts” crowd here certainly didn’t help.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  175. #159 — It’s a shame that the incumbent is so horrible that he makes that guy look more reasonable even to a lot of people who voted for the incumbent.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  176. Though TBF, the “I don’t believe experts” crowd here certainly didn’t help.

    They were parroting Trump’s nonsense.

    Dave (1bb933)

  177. Like the conman he is, he encouraged that hope by promising to act Presidential.

    DRJ (aede82)

  178. A lot of folks care, NJRob, especially in Texas and that community.

    DRJ (aede82)

  179. Try not to be so much of chinese tool

    https://mobile.twitter.com/johnross43?lang=en

    Narciso (7404b5)

  180. Science

    Did you actually read the article you linked too?

    By all accounts, Sweden’s high rate of coronavirus deaths was evidence that the country had made a horrendous error. Sweden — which did not impose a strict lockdown — suffered 543 deaths per million of its population, compared to just 105 in neighboring Denmark. The Swedish death toll has been roughly 11 times worse than Norway’s, on a per capita basis…

    On paper, Sweden suddenly looks like a stunning — albeit late-running — success. But experts are warning that their recent spell of good news does not mean the country’s no-lockdown plan was successful, or that other countries should follow its path…

    Jon Tallinger, a doctor who left his job in Sweden to campaign for better treatment of the elderly during the pandemic, said people shouldn’t be amazed by charts showing Sweden’s progress because they look remarkably similar to those of countries that have been hard-hit by the with coronavirus, including Peru, Pakistan, and Haiti.

    He said any decline in deaths now is not a win for Sweden’s strategy: “They said that Sweden’s response was effective when its deaths were rising, now they are saying it is effective as deaths are going down.”

    “The deaths rates have fallen but it doesn’t change the fact that our strategy has failed. And we don’t know when the rates will rise again.”…

    Many in Sweden argued that its plan would allow its population to achieve “herd immunity.”

    But that’s not even close to being achieved: Tegnell said in June that “the trends in immunity have been surprisingly slow.” One study then showed 6.1% of Sweden’s population had developed antibodies by late May.

    It’s the same for other countries, where only a small proportion of the population appear to have achieved the immunity, and experts say immunity may not even last that long…

    But Carrero said it is too soon to know how to judge Sweden’s strategy: “Whether these have been the best measures to implement, that is another issue that we can discuss, but an issue that probably we will not be able to judge fully until everything is over. ”

    Professor Luke O’Neill, an immunologist at Ireland’s Trinity College Dublin, said the general consensus among European scientists is that, because of the high toll of deaths, “Sweden’s strategy failed.”

    “In some ways, the decisions they made were based on how they assessed the evidence at the time. And other countries decided to be more aggressive and sadly the more aggressive approach turned out to be the more appropriate one.”

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  181. People are so gullible. They now believe that because Trump wore a mask to Walter Reed yesterday, he has evidenced how presidential he is. If wearing a mask during a pandemic is your low-bar standard of being presidential, you deserve Trump as your president. But that doesn’t mean that those of us with a different, more challenging standard, do. Unfortunately, though, if he continues to wear a mask in public and given the low-bar standards for him by a vast swath of the population, we should probably resign ourselves to 4 more years of this feebleness.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  182. The Swedes are disciplined people who have been using precautions without mandates. Nevertheless, despite similar populations, Sweden has 1/3 more cases than Portugal and more than 3 times the deaths. Further, Portugal has 5 times as many recovered patients. So there is room to question Sweden’s methods.

    DRJ (aede82)

  183. @147. Reagan Seed all.

    Conservative whine; bitter dregs.

    They is you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  184. They were parroting Trump’s nonsense.

    In part. For the cultists, Trump cannot ever be wrong.
    But Trump is also the apotheosis of a notion that preceded his presidency: that it’s better to have plain old “common sense” than to know a lot of things. Not just that it’s important to have common sense along with knowledge.

    So we had Laura Ingraham saying that Trump’s “instincts are sharp,” and therefore he knows better what to do about a pandemic than anyone who has spent decades studying infectious disease.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  185. an insecure entertainer who craved attention (as they all are/do)…

    Do tell; Reaganoptics:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4b5OwoLXs0

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  186. I read it Klink. That was the point. It is a heads I win/ tails you lose claim no matter what because it doesn’t fit into the agenda of shutting down the world.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  187. 191. Speaking of agendas/narratives, anyone read about the horrible fate that befell Joseph Fair, NBC News medical expert-correspondent? Absolutely terrible…

    Gryph (08c844)

  188. At least Sweden picked a plan, 5 months in and we’ve yet to define it down to less than 50 different plans. Maybe 500, because no one had a plan to begin with, no one created one–everyone created many, no one coordinated one, just as we were beginning to have a plan, Trump decided he was done and then actively decided to punt on the whole thing, because he felt like he was getting bad reviews for saying moronic things (ram a light up your butt, inject some disinfectant, start taking some random scam drug). It was 1st down, punting on 1st down isn’t a good plan.

    So, Sweden may have had a bad plan, but at least they had a plan. We’re going completely unplanned, and have really dumb people who think that the most basic precautions are “against their freedumb”.

    If you want to see what success looks like, look at Taiwan.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  189. DRJ, as we are seeing here, there is only so long you can shut down society and not expect push back. People need to live and not just live in fear. We’ve fought wars with outbreaks going on and cannot just hide and pretend actually living doesn’t matter. What is breathing and a beating heart if you aren’t actually living your life?

    Are we going to “hide the decline?”

    Sweden is in a much better state now than other nations for when the next outbreak will occur.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  190. 189. People who spend decades studying infectious diseases don’t innoculate themselves against having agendas, particularly of the political variety. I seem to recall that back in the 80s, Fauci was a rather prominent voice against shutting down gay bathhouses during the nascent AIDS epidemic. So there’s that.

    Gryph (08c844)

  191. So we had Laura Ingraham saying that Trump’s “instincts are sharp,” and therefore he knows better what to do about a pandemic than anyone who has spent decades studying infectious disease.

    This speaks to both the continued power of the conman and the complete gullibility of the masses. Nothing has changed. (See: 186)

    Dana (25e0dc)

  192. That was always funny, let’s make sure our president has common sense, not be an expert at something specific. OK, cool, but competence at least, plus the common sense, right….

    Then Trump, no expertise, actively stupid, with a black hole of common sense. When he speaks, he causes brain damage.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  193. https://outkick.com/woj-fu-email-illuminates-far-left-wing-sports-media-hypocrisy/

    Given that China has now eliminated the democratic rule of law in Hong Kong and is arresting protesters and putting them in jail, potentially for years, the NBA’s October apologies to China after Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey retweeted “Free Hong Kong,” has never been more relevant.

    Any reporter worth his or her salt — none of whom are evidently employed by ESPN — might be wondering about the NBA’s political statements on jerseys embarrassingly leaving out China. One might even surmise, fairly, that exclusion has to do with China paying the NBA billions of dollars in blood money. The message is clear, if you pay the NBA enough money, they don’t care about concentration camps or basic human rights. They’ll shut up and dribble as long as the Chinese check clears.

    What’s more, Senator Josh Hawley didn’t just come up with this idea this week, he actually traveled to Hong Kong to witness the protests first hand in October. So he’s asking questions about which he’s directly familiar, holding a multi-billion dollar company accountable for their hypocrisies, speaking truth to power, which is what we want our politicians to do.

    Yet two minutes after the email was sent out, an email which directly deals with the NBA’s present political decisions, ESPN’s lead NBA reporter Adrian Wojnarowski fired back, “F you,” from his official ESPN email address.

    Think about this for a minute, the lead NBA reporter for ESPN responded to a United States senator’s letter to the commissioner of the league he covers not by reading the letter and realizing the senator was raising very real issues reflective of the league’s hypocrisy, but by immediately sending back an expletive-laced response from his corporate email address.

    While Wojnarowski is certainly entitled to his own political opinions, how can ESPN allow this? How can anyone believe Woj is an objective reporter now? He’s not a reporter, he’s a league mouthpiece. That might be fine if Woj just shared his opinions, but he doesn’t, he’s the foremost NBA news breaker in the company.

    Outkick is doing an excellent job covering sports outside the MSM.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  194. A lot of folks care, NJRob, especially in Texas and that community.

    DRJ (aede82) — 7/12/2020 @ 10:09 am

    I believe that’s the case of you and others in that community. I don’t believe it is so with many others.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  195. The hosts of both programs noted that she did not appear to have the authority to carry out the threat.

    We learned about this with Trump and Ukraine. The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 prohibits Presidents from withholding, retaining or deferring Congressional appropriations except in specific circumstances/timeframe.

    DRJ (aede82)

  196. There are more and more tragedies, hardship, and deaths worldwide, NJRob, and each is a loss for some community and families. It is easy to have empathy overload right now.

    DRJ (aede82)

  197. 186.People are so gullible. They now believe that because Trump wore a mask to Walter Reed yesterday, he has evidenced how presidential he is.

    Well, his mask did have the Presidential Seal embossed on the left side of it. Plagiarist JoeyBee’s looks like he swiped it from Jesse James. 😉

    ________

    Speaking of swiping, what is it with Plagiarist JoeyBee and his lazy obsession with plagiarizing speeches and policy concepts from Britain? First it was stealing from Neil Kinnock. Now it’s his ‘Buy America’ pitch– a ripoff of the doomed ‘Buy British’ campaign from the late ’60s, early ’70s.

    “I Remember It Well” – Maurice Chevalier/Hermione Gingold,’Gigi’ 1958

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  198. People who spend decades studying infectious diseases don’t innoculate themselves against having agendas, particularly of the political variety

    Be that as it may, it doesn’t follow that we should therefore put higher trust in a politician when it comes to medical advice.
    Nor does it follow that the people saying “don’t believe the experts” are not pursuing their own agendas.

    Nor is it plausible that someone who has devoted his life to protecting the public against deadly diseases is cynically operating from political motives, while the president who wants to get reelected and the pundits who constantly boost him are all honest and pure-hearted servants of the people.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  199. I agree people will tire of mandates and restrictions. We can’t all stay home forever, and a lot of folks who provide our healthcare, groceries, utilities/fuel, etc., have never stayed home. We have to reopen and hopefully each State can plan for that (as they are). Sweden is doing what it thinks is best, so are Spain and Germany, so are Texas, California and Connecticut. I wish them all well but there is a scorecard of sorts and the winners will have lower death rates per capita. For now, that isn’t Sweden.

    DRJ (aede82)

  200. Given that China has now eliminated the democratic rule of law in Hong Kong and is arresting protesters and putting them in jail, potentially for years, the NBA’s October apologies to China after Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey retweeted “Free Hong Kong,” has never been more relevant.

    Capitalism 101; the customer is always right: trading values for treasures [and market share] is as American as Chop Suey. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  201. it doesn’t fit into the agenda of shutting down the world.

    Gosh, how did I not see that shutting down the world was the whole point all along!

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  202. 203. I don’t trust politicians to give me medical advice any more than I trust career bureaucrats who call themselves “experts.” In fact, I’ve been spending the better part of the last four-and-a-half years trying to warn people about what a garden-variety reprobate Donald Trump is. So there is that.

    And as to the “plausibility” of someone who has [supposedly] devoted their lives to protecting the public against deadly diseases, Etc. Etc…; It does not follow from your blind hatred of Donald J. Trump that we must necessarily canonize the Faucis and Birxes of the world. Doctors make mistakes all the time. It’s why they carry malpractice insurance. Whatever foul-ups the bureaucrats have made, I wouldn’t be so charitable as to consider them “mistakes.” Not anymore.

    Gryph (08c844)

  203. 204. We flattened the curve, DRJ. Our death rate per capita will continue to increase until it approximately matches Sweden’s. That was the source of my prediction on another thread that our deaths in America will approach, but not exceed, 200,000. We flattened the curve and Sweden did not, hence we’ll be dealing with increasing caseloads for the better part of the rest of the year. Just in time for seasonal flu, even.

    Gryph (08c844)

  204. While Wojnarowski is certainly entitled to his own political opinions, how can ESPN allow this? How can anyone believe Woj is an objective reporter now? He’s not a reporter, he’s a league mouthpiece. That might be fine if Woj just shared his opinions, but he doesn’t, he’s the foremost NBA news breaker in the company.

    Actually he’s NOT entitled to “his own opinion” when responding as an ESPN employee. The take away is he represents ESPN and that ESPN are NOT objective. If he didn’t represent ESPN, then he would’ve been cancelled, like a zillion other ESPN employees that expressed political/cultural opinions disliked by ESPN/Disney management.

    ESPN is a left-wing, Chicom supporting Corporation and so is Disney. And so are their reporters. Every they write/talk about is trash or left-wing propaganda. I’d no more go to them for sporting news, then I’d go to the WaPo to learn about Trump.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  205. Thanks for mentioning “outkick” it semms like an interesting place to get sports news.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  206. The NIH doctors are human and make mistakes. Some of them have huge egos and others are very humble. So what? They and others like them in research institutes/universities and elite medical facilities have the expertise we need and that local docs don’t.

    Infectious disease is an interesting career and there aren’t a lot of them in practice. You see these docs when you have primary immune deficiency as my family does. The first one I saw was in early 2000. The only disease they treated then was HIV. Most interns avoided it as a career choice because the general belief was that infectious diseases had been eradicated, so it would never pay.

    DRJ (aede82)

  207. That has obviously changed.

    DRJ (aede82)

  208. but not exceed, 200,000

    By what date? Dec 31st, Nov 3rd, August 1st? At the current rate, assuming the death rate flattens, it’s going up now, that puts 200k in mid-September. It looks more likely that it’s mid-August.

    It will not then drop to zero. There is no scenario that 200,000 in the US isn’t just a huge number on some random day as the death toll continues to climb. Just like 25k, 50k, 100k…

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  209. Or, Gryph, we learned enough so our hospitals and doctors are better prepared than they were in Italy, Spain and New York.

    DRJ (aede82)

  210. 211. The idea that infectious diseases could ever be completely eradicated, in my mind as a layperson anyway, is tantamount to the belief that dead meat spawns carrion flies. It is utterly laughable now but seemed like a reasonable thing to believe at the time.

    Gryph (08c844)

  211. So mortality and infections will increase but mortality may not increase by as much.

    DRJ (aede82)

  212. 214. Or…maybe Italy, Spain, and New York had it all in common that they dumped massive numbers of infectious pneumonia patients in with nursing home clients.

    Gryph (08c844)

  213. 216. Mortality for the last four weeks has been mostly flat. That is, deaths have been increasing, but not geometrically like they did on the left side of the curve. We are on the right side of the curve now, so the only thing we can accomplish by lowering the number of positive tests is drawing out the time it takes to achieve herd immunity. Given a particular R0, there are a certain number of positive cases that will cause an infectious disease to burn itself out whether or not that immunity comes from a synthetic vaccine or natural inoculation.

    Gryph (08c844)

  214. 213… it takes a nation of KARENs to hold that quack.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  215. ESPN suspends Adrian Wojnarowski without pay for ‘F–k you’ email to Missouri senator
    ……
    ESPN has scrapped NBA insider Adrian Wojnarowski’s trip to Orlando this week to report from the NBA bubble, according to sources, after he responded to Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) with an email that read “F–k you.”
    ……..
    ESPN declined comment, though their actions will likely become obvious this week when the ultra-prominent Wojnarowski is not on the air. The end point of Wojnarowski’s suspension, if that has been defined, is not yet known.
    …….
    “I was disrespectful and I made a regrettable mistake,” Wojnarowski said in a statement. “I’m sorry for the way I handled myself and I am reaching out immediately to Senator Hawley to apologize directly. I also need to apologize to my ESPN colleagues because I know my actions were unacceptable and should not reflect on any of them.”

    ESPN, meanwhile, described Wojnarowski’s email as “completely unacceptable,” “inexcusable” and said they would address it directly with Wojnarowski, but the specifics will remain “internal.”
    ……
    ……..[T]he league has authorized messages that the players can wear instead of their names to support social justice. Those include, “Equality,” “Black Lives Matter, “Vote” and “I Can’t Breathe.”

    However, commentary on China is excluded from the list. …….
    …….
    Personally, for me this is really a ‘who cares’ issue. People whose lives a defined by sports really need to get a life. Even for Sen. Hawley, there are more important issues than how China is treating Hong Kong. Most Americans don’t care. Anybody who expected any different behavior from China live in a fool’s paradise.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  216. Almost every community has nursing home problems because nursing homes aren’t designed to isolate patients. They are designed to socially integrate patients into new “homes.” We are learning how to deal with this but in the early weeks, it was not fixable except to send patients back to their homes. Most did this in my community but some patients were too sick with other problems to go home or they had no homes.

    DRJ (aede82)

  217. your blind hatred of Donald J. Trump

    It’s funny how Trump-lovers believe that they alone can truly see, while everyone else is blinded by a “hate” that has no connection with anything Trump does. As if we can’t watch him with our own eyes, listen to him with our own ears, read what’s said by people who have close-up familiarity with him, etc.

    When Trump came down the escalator in 2015, I had never paid much attention to him. Never watched more than a couple of small snippets of The Apprentice (which had a big part in building the myth of his business genius). I thought “This is interesting. Maybe he has something to offer.”

    The more I listened and watched and read, the more repulsed I became.
    There’s a reason why a fair number of people who voted for Trump in 2016 — and have always voted R. in the past — are now making video testimonials explaining why they will not vote for him in 2020. And the reason is not “blind hatred.”

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  218. https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/07/erdogan-rebukes-west-for-islamophobia-amid-criticism-over-turning-hagia-sophia-into-mosque/

    And then there are the islamic supremacists who like the left enjoy destroying historical monuments and replacing them with their own. They are back to destroying the Hagia Sophia Cathedral and turning it into a mosque.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  219. 221. Not every community had a mayor and/or governor who conscientiously and willingly put their nursing home patients at risk by flooding the facilities with CoViD patients. Most states had a pretty tight lockdown on nursing homes, for better or for worse. New York nominally locked down nursing homes while allowing forcing virulently ill individuals into those same nursing homes, while no one’s family could so much as visit through a window. That infuriated me as it was going on in New York, and I’m from South Dakota.

    Gryph (08c844)

  220. Mortality for the last four weeks has been mostly flat. That is, deaths have been increasing, but not geometrically like they did on the left side of the curve. We are on the right side of the curve now, so the only thing we can accomplish by lowering the number of positive tests is drawing out the time it takes to achieve herd immunity. Given a particular R0, there are a certain number of positive cases that will cause an infectious disease to burn itself out whether or not that immunity comes from a synthetic vaccine or natural inoculation.

    Ok, in general, but general statistics aren’t all we should care about. For example, in some Texas towns like Houston, the ICUs are filling up or are full. Some short-term adjustments may be needed to reduce the hospitalization rate or we will see higher mortality rates in those places.

    DRJ (aede82)

  221. 222. Ahem…I’m not a Trump lover, Rad. How many times do I have to remind you of that? Nothing that I say about CoViD-19 — REPEAT: NOTHING — is in defense of Donald Trump. I didn’t vote for him in 2016, I’m not going to vote for him in 2020, and I find the Lincoln Project’s commercials to be hilarious pieces of commedia dell’arte. Nor is my pointing out your seething hatred in any way shape or form meant to defend him. It is merely a statement of fact.

    Gryph (08c844)

  222. No Covid patients were put in West Texas nursing homes but four of our cities have half their Covid deaths attributable to nursing home residents. The homes weren’t prepared for this; had limited PPEs; had no way to clean the A/Cs, therapy equipment, whirlpool tubs, etc.; weren’t sure whether to continue therapies; and had staffing issues. When one person got Covid, they all did.

    DRJ (aede82)

  223. 225. Think about it: We spent over two months not allowing cancer patients or heart patients to receive care. And that was as true in South Dakota as it was in Texas and Arizona. No one should be surprised that hospitals, still in many cases understaffed because of layoffs, are filling back up with people who should have had their surgeries months ago.

    I can’t speak to the situation down in Texas, but I know that in Sioux Falls here, there are ICU beds being taken at McKennan hospital by inpatient surgical recovery cases because there aren’t enough beds in the main surgical wards. It’s not necessarily because every patient there requires Intensive Care protocols, let alone is every patient there a CoViD case.

    I’m reminded of the stories about the young lady with breast cancer who couldn’t have a mastectomy because she couldn’t schedule a plastic surgeon to do the reconstructive surgery. So her cancer progressed. What we’re seeing hospitals deal with now is the aftermath of bad policy. And my fear is that the bureaucrats will double down on bad policy because the problem, such as it is, is not being properly “diagnosed.”

    Gryph (08c844)

  224. 227. Those are problems nursing homes up here deal with every year in the flu season. A friend of mine who works as a CNA in a nursing home here in my home town says that Christmases always suck because of the number of staff who ask for time off, coupled with the spike in deaths that always happens between November and Feburary.

    Gryph (08c844)

  225. Trump rips private Texas border wall built by his supporters
    President Donald Trump on Sunday criticized a privately built border wall in South Texas that’s showing signs of erosion months after going up, saying it was “only done to make me look bad,” even though the wall was built after a months-long campaign by his supporters.
    …….
    Trump tweeted Sunday in response to a ProPublica-Texas Tribune report that the riverbank has started to erode. A federal judge on Wednesday ordered attorneys for Fisher Industries and opponents of the private wall to set a schedule for experts to visit the site and inspect any erosion.

    “I disagreed with doing this very small (tiny) section of wall, in a tricky area, by a private group which raised money by ads,” Trump wrote. “It was only done to make me look bad, and perhsps it now doesn’t even work. Should have been built like rest of Wall, 500 plus miles.”
    …….
    Experts and people who live and work near the property have warned that building so close to the river would cause flooding or a break in the fence. And a binational commission earlier this year found that the project violates U.S. treaty obligations…….
    …….

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  226. The emegence Chinese market has allowed the NBA to paper over the fact they are probably the 5th or 6th professional sports in most markets east of the Mississippi, having retrenched to the Sprite soda demographic.

    urbanleftbehind (378c86)

  227. Those are problems nursing homes up here deal with every year in the flu season. A friend of mine who works as a CNA in a nursing home here in my home town says that Christmases always suck because of the number of staff who ask for time off, coupled with the spike in deaths that always happens between November and Feburary.

    It’s a good thing that the flu has 1/20th the mortality rate and a lower R0 than Covid and there’s a vaccine, several. The bad thing is Covid is 20X as deadly, more transmissible, and there’s no vaccine.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  228. 230, does he suspect the wall building group in that section was a consortium of trolls and is it the same or different group than the group that ran roughshod over a New Mexico hamlet to build a section of wall out there?

    urbanleftbehind (378c86)

  229. @233-
    I have no desire to speculate what is going on in Trump’s mind. I suggest you read the article-the wall was backed by a group that includes Steve Bannon and Kris Kobach, and the company has received a $1.3B contract for “official” wall building

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  230. I agree we are going to see elevated deaths among cancer and other patients because their care was restricted. It is similar to what happens when there are hurricanes and other natural disasters that disrupt care, only this is on a much larger scale and other hospitals can’t pick up the slack. But care was restricted for a public health reason. That happens. The gamma globulin that keeps my sons alive has been pulled off the market more than once, such as when the military took all available supplies for several months during Desert Storm. We could not get their medicines during that time, and they got sick but fortunately did not die. It sucks but it happens.

    Finally, this isn’t the flu. There are hospitals full of Covid patients in Texas. I don’t know about Sioux Falls but that doesn’t ever happen here with the flu.

    DRJ (aede82)

  231. JoeyBee’s “Buy America”… plagiarizing the Brits again, Joseph?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_Backing_Britain

    “Say it ain’t so, Joe.” – Chicago Daily News, 1921

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  232. (CNN) “President Donald Trump considered the idea of selling Puerto Rico in 2017 after the island was devastated by Hurricane Maria, the former acting Homeland Security secretary told The New York Times in an interview published Friday.”

    It will be fun to watch Trump fans explain yet another very stable idea.

    noel (4d3313)

  233. @237-
    May be he could trade Puerto Rico for Greenland.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  234. That one actually did not surprise me, noel. Trump is woefully ignorant about our national principles and the President’s role, so he sees himself as a Super-CEO. Trump filed bankruptcy and sold losing assets when he failed, so it is not surprising that as President he would view people and places as “things” to be dealt with the same way.

    DRJ (aede82)

  235. Puerto Rico sale? Maybe Putin needed somewhere to put his missiles?

    noel (4d3313)

  236. Like always, when he says something indefensibly stupid, they’ll just say he’s joking. Because he’d never say something so stupid…

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  237. 235. Are hospitals full of CoViD patients? Is that really the case, or does someone with an agenda want you to think so?

    But care was restricted for a public health reason. That happens.

    I question that the restriction of care was necessary. Up here, it led to a layoff of almost 1/3 of the staff of my hometown hospitals. That doesn’t happen when you’re seriously looking at being overwhelmed. Of course, we’re here now and I realize all the philosophical musings I can muster won’t change what happened in the past. I can only hope that we’ll learn from our past mistakes to try to do better. That isn’t looking so good to me.

    Gryph (08c844)

  238. 232.

    It’s a good thing that the flu has 1/20th the mortality rate and a lower R0 than Covid and there’s a vaccine, several. The bad thing is Covid is 20X as deadly, more transmissible, and there’s no vaccine.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 7/12/2020 @ 11:36 am

    20x as deadly? More transmissible? Colonel, sir, I think you need to lay off the kool aid. The Diamond Princess stats put to lie every one of those assertions. The only truth you spouted is that there is no vaccine. What you fail to point out is, despite our curve flattening, CoViD-19 may will probably burn itself out faster than we can get an effective vaccine to market.

    And lastly, at the risk of being pedantic, there is no singular vaccine for influenza. As the flu virus mutates, scientists must stay ahead of the curve quickly enough to make an educated guess about what influenza strain will be prevalent next year. Most of the time, they are correct. When they aren’t, the flu shot is about as effective, statistically speaking, as not bothering to get a flu shot at all. Brace yourselves for “novel” CoViD-20, folks!

    Gryph (08c844)

  239. Trump isn’t secretly winking at QAnon. He’s retweeting its followers.
    On July Fourth, before President Donald Trump spoke to the nation from the White House lawn, he spoke indirectly to another community on Twitter: QAnon.

    That afternoon, he retweeted 14 tweets from accounts supporting the QAnon conspiracy theory…….
    …….
    ……..[E]ver since the pandemic began, Trump has retweeted at least 90 posts from 49 pro-QAnon accounts, often multiple times in the same day.

    Those around Trump have followed suit. Eric Trump, the president’s son, recently posted a giant “Q” on Instagram as well as the hashtag version of the community’s slogan: “Where we go one, we go all.” …..
    ……
    And over that July Fourth weekend, Michael Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser, recorded a video of himself taking the QAnon loyalty pledge, a slightly altered version of the U.S. oath of office.
    …….
    …….[T]he engagement has continued even as the FBI has labeled the amorphous online community a potential source of domestic terrorism after several people radicalized by QAnon have been charged with crimes, ranging from attempted kidnapping to murder, inspired by the conspiracy theory.
    …….
    In the QAnon mythos, Q and Trump are working toward an event called “The Storm,” the day that he finally arrests thousands of these elites and ships them to Guantanamo Bay. Occasionally, QAnon followers see various setbacks as The Storm in action; others have attempted to explain the lack of mass indictments through science fiction.
    ……
    And to QAnon followers, Trump’s regular retweeting of their messages indicates that he or someone on his team is acknowledging their work.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  240. Florida had more new Covid cases in one day than South Korea has had in total. South Korea’s population is more than twice that of Florida.
    South Korea took vigorous measures early on, following the advice of epidemiologists, and now they’ve opened up baseball games to the public.
    Here, the president told us it would magically disappear very seen, then treated it all as an attack on himself. His boosters said the experts were just trying to sow panic, to hurt Trump. But if he had taken it seriously from the start, it would have been better for him – and for the country.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  241. Lots of churches being attacked and burned this weekend. Wonder why?

    Like every spam post, details are too much of a pain to bother with.

    A church was burned…well a stone statue outside of a church was charred. But it’s definitely a conspiracy delusion.

    Police spoke with Boston firefighters, who said that an unknown suspect had set fire to plastic flowers, which were in the hands of the statue, causing the face and upper body of the statue to be burned.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  242. 248. Case, case, case. Not every case is death. In fact, roughly 99.98 percent of them still aren’t. I can talk about CoViD-19 without making it about Trump, despite my distaste for the man on a personal level.

    As for the “conservatives” around here, maybe you ought to get a little introspective and start asking yourself why you think anyone in the government should have done more than what they did. That doesn’t sound very conservative to me, although I suppose YMMV.

    Gryph (08c844)

  243. Are hospitals full of CoViD patients? Is that really the case, or does someone with an agenda want you to think so?

    So when actual ER physicians and nurses say there are no more beds; they’re exhausted from their long shifts; etc. — they’re all just pushing a nefarious political agenda?

    Maybe the people who see a political agenda everywhere are the ones who have chosen to look at everything through a political, partisan lens.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  244. Are that much of a fool, montagu, they are burning the country down where they have control, they have created an army led by a n ex marxist terrorist, while you bitch about boogaloos, obama biden panetta kerry they were all brezhnevs dog in the 80s when the war was hot.

    Personal attack noted, narciso.
    Also noted is your hysterical histrionic hyperbole.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  245. 251. I’m just saying, we don’t have that problem up here in South Dakota. There are multiple points of view to take with this, including pointing out that hospitals were able to make the choice to restart elective surgeries on their own up here, and were not given that courtesy in Texas or in Florida where they were told to close and reopen by executive order from their governors.

    Gryph (08c844)

  246. Klink,

    so it was intentional and malicious. Thanks for admitting it. Now do the next one.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  247. Also noted is your hysterical histrionic hyperbole.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1) — 7/12/2020 @ 12:18 pm

    He asked you a question. Your response, however, is a personal attack.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  248. After the fastest recession in U.S. history, the economic recovery may be fizzling

    United Airlines announced plans to lay off more than one-third of its 95,000 workers. Brooks Brothers, which first opened for business in 1818, filed for bankruptcy. And Bed Bath and Beyond said it will close 200 stores.

    Welcome to the recovery.
    ……..
    When states and cities began closing most businesses in March, the idea was to smother the virus and buy time for the medical system to adapt……

    But without a uniform federal strategy, many governors rushed to reopen their economies before bringing the virus under control. Now states such as Florida, California, Texas and Arizona are setting daily records for coronavirus cases and more than 70 percent of the country has either paused or reversed reopening plans, according to Goldman Sachs.
    …….
    Fresh labor market weakness would represent a profound disappointment for millions of American workers and President Trump, who is eager to highlight economic progress with only a few months remaining before the November election.
    ……..
    The economy did regain a total of 7.5 million jobs in May and June, faster than many economists anticipated. But that was just one-third of the number lost to the pandemic.

    ……[L]ayoffs are spreading beyond companies that provide services requiring direct human contact. As disruption from the pandemic lingers, this could mean that the job loss is starting to feed on itself in a classic recessionary spiral, economists said.
    …….
    …..“While the timing seems to coincide with the stalling of the economic reopening process in over 30 states, there may well be something more strategic in play — that is, pressure on a growing segment of corporate America to ‘right size’ for what increasingly looks like a longer road back to full economic recovery,” said Mohamed El-Erian, chief economic adviser at Allianz, via email.
    …….
    It is no longer a question of returning to the pre-pandemic environment that existed as recently as four months ago, economists said. Under the remorseless influence of the pandemic, the U.S. economy is being reshaped. There will be fewer jobs in airlines, hotels, restaurants and traditional retail and more in e-commerce and technology industries.
    …….
    Millions of additional layoffs could come soon from cash-strapped state and local governments, unless Congress provides additional relief, and small businesses that have exhausted their borrowing under the Paycheck Protection Program. In a survey of its members, the National Federation of Independent Business said more than half of respondents had used up their loans and 22 percent planned to lay off workers as a result.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  249. We spent over two months not allowing cancer patients or heart patients to receive care.

    I can’t speak for South Dakota, Gryph, but that never happened in Puget Sound, even when the virus was raging. They did cancel elective procedures.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  250. 257. That depends on how health networks define “elective procedures.” Here in South Dakota and elsewhere, all plastic surgeries were put on hold. Sounds reasonable, until you realize that therapeutic mastectomies require a plastic surgeon to perform reconstructive surgery. Without a plastic surgeon on-call for such procedures, the mastectomies don’t happen at all. In at least one instance that I am aware of, it meant a young lady had to go without treatment for her cancer at all, as her scheduled mastectomy was a last resort for her treatment.

    Gryph (08c844)

  251. 20x as deadly?

    Yup.

    More transmissible?

    Well, it just is. The current R0 is 2.5 for Covid and the seasonal flu is 1.3, so you know, more

    The Diamond Princess stats put to lie every one of those assertions.

    Well, if only a single bit of data was more informative, it was 0.006% of the cases, so it’s definitely definitive, or something.

    And lastly, at the risk of being pedantic, there is no singular vaccine for influenza.

    Hmm, would that mean…”and there’s a vaccine, several.”

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  252. 259. No, it means that sometimes the vaccine works and sometimes it doesn’t.

    While about 0.1 percent of people who got the flu died in the US last year, according to the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, the coronavirus’ death rate is currently about 5.2 percent, based on the reported totals of cases and deaths. That makes the coronavirus’ average death rate 52 times higher than that of the flu.

    Uh, no it doesn’t. That’s the death rate for documented cases. That does not count asymptomatic cases that never get sick, and ergo never get tested. That is why I put more stock in the Diamond Princess stats. It was as close to a controlled study as we’ll ever get, considering that virtually everyone on board was exposed to the virus and there were documented cases of two people sharing the same cabin, and one or neither of them getting sick.

    Fun fact: presidential polls actually ask only 500-750 people questions, and then extrapolate the data. So there is that.

    Gryph (08c844)

  253. Klink,

    so it was intentional and malicious. Thanks for admitting it. Now do the next one.

    Sure, I’ll do all 1.3M fires in the US annually, even the 3,500 yesterday. But it’s great that your pushing some sort of conspiracy delusion, or something, I guess.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  254. He asked you a question. Your response, however, is a personal attack.

    You understand nothing, Rob. It wasn’t a question, it was rhetorical. I regret that you don’t understand that.
    Narciso’s words: “Are that much of a fool, montagu…” but his English is so bad that he didn’t put a “you” in between “are” and “that”. That’s personal, Rob.
    My comment dealt with the content of his comment which, in my opinion, contained hyperbole of the hysterical histrionic sort.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  255. Without a plastic surgeon on-call for such procedures, the mastectomies don’t happen at all.

    That didn’t happen here, Gryph. What Inslee defined as “elective” were knee replacements, lasik and such. Your governor (or her advisors) made the bad call to ban a procedure that would obstruct an essential surgery.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  256. I can’t speak for South Dakota, Gryph, but that never happened in Puget Sound, even when the virus was raging. They did cancel elective procedures.

    It also didn’t happen in South Dakota. Some facilities cancelled elective procedures, I’m sure some patients chose to voluntarily not go to the doctor, but like many things, one thing is not another.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  257. 264. I don’t recall where it happened, but I believe it was in California (quelle surprise!). In South Dakota, individual hospitals and health networks made the call according to CDC guidelines and tended to reopen when the delayed surgeries started to necessitate significant layoffs of support staff, as well. Not only was there never a danger of overwhelming our health care industry here, but the number of empty beds started to become a problem.

    Gryph (08c844)

  258. 265. I know it didn’t happen in South Dakota, Colonel, Sir. There were never any mandates from our governor regarding health care closures or elective surgeries. The decisions made here were made by the health networks and hospitals themselves.

    Gryph (08c844)

  259. Sure, I’ll do all 1.3M fires in the US annually, even the 3,500 yesterday

    Be specific.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  260. 261.Joe Biden builds 5-point lead over Donald Trump in red Texas as some voters sour on handling of virus

    …which will evaporate quicker than spit on a Dallas sidewalk in July the moment JoeyBee emerges from his basement bunker and opens his mouth.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  261. 269. I don’t think JoeyBee needs to emerge from his basement to win the election. He’s far from a shoo-in, but the more he stays down there, the better his chances.

    Gryph (08c844)

  262. Breaking- ‘Explosion, Fire Injure 11 Sailors on USS Bonhomme Richard at Naval Base’ – source, San Diego Times of San Diego.

    SD and the surrounding region is under an extreme heat advisory as well which doesn’t help fire fighting conditions.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  263. 270. I don’t think JoeyBee needs to emerge from his basement to win the election.

    You don’t think it’s necessary to wear a mask amidst a pandemic, either.

    Think again.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  264. What with wearing a mask, and the nearly impossible DACA promise he seems to have made to Telemundo, Trump may be showing he realizes what can hurt him in the election.

    And I am going to be, over the next few weeks, signing an immigration bill that a lot of people don’t know about. You have breaking news, but I’m signing a big immigration bill,” Trump told Díaz-Balart.

    Who in Congress knows about this bill?

    Is he going to dare the Democrats not to pass it?

    Or is it not a bill at all?

    Is this like his sister the judge signing a bill?

    https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/world/trump-working-on-executive-order-to-establish-merit-based-immigration-system-white-house-111467

    It seems like he wants to change policy; Recause deportation risk while (possibly using the virus as justification) reducing legal immigration

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-11/trump-vows-to-sign-executive-order-to-change-immigration-laws

    In the meantime. he’s created problems for universities, and foreign (“internatonal”) students by his officials saying that if students do not take in person classes they will lose their student visas. There are people who take this as a form of pressure on colleges and universities to re-open. They don’t know if Trump is serious about this or not. March closures did not affect them.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/us/f1-student-visa-lawsuit.html

    After a brief virtual hearing, a federal judge in Boston put off a decision Friday on the universities’ challenge to new federal rules that would revoke the visas of foreign students studying entirely online this fall, and set another hearing for Tuesday.

    Lawyers for the two universities argued in court papers that the new rules from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which require students to take at least one in-person class for their F-1 student visas to remain valid, would cruelly and recklessly upend the lives of tens of thousands of international students and threaten public health.

    Sammy Finkelman (5c3ef7)

  265. 272. I don’t think it does any good to wear a mask amidst a pandemic. There are studies showing that it does, and studies showing that it doesn’t. And here we are.

    I’m guessing that you would never consider voting for Biden, would you? Because I’m basing my assertion on how well I know the Democratic base. In the same sense that Trump voters went “anyone but Hillary” in 2016, Biden’s voters are the “anyone but Trump” crowd this time out. The shoe is officially on the other foot now.

    Gryph (08c844)

  266. 260. Gryph (08c844) — 7/12/2020 @ 12:40 pm

    Fun fact: presidential polls actually ask only 500-750 people questions, and then extrapolate the data. So there is that.

    That’s not the problem. The problem is enormous percentage of people who do not answer telephone surveys which as increased a great deal since the 1980s.

    The response rate is now well under 10%.

    It requires some ingenuity and guesswork to attempt to compensate for that.

    Sammy Finkelman (5c3ef7)

  267. If that TX poll is recent, maybe the groyps and immigration hardliners are thinking of ballotblanking moreso than Joe is actually favorable to on the (metaphorical) fence voters. The race could take on a Cruz -Beto feel and outcome or start looking a lot like an AZ McSally race.

    Tricky thing is, the DACA overture might not be needed, for Pfc. Vanessa Guillens story was disappeared after the main assailant didnt meet narrative, plus all these post-Floyd black-brown conflations (26th street/Cicero in Chicago, a beating of an 80 year old mexican American man in Lancaster CA by a black assailant) and this killing in Indianapolis.

    urbanleftbehind (378c86)

  268. Virgin Mary statue set on fire at Boston church

    https://www.wcvb.com/article/virgin-mary-statue-set-on-fire-at-boston-church-saint-peter-parish-in-dorchester/33287717#
    __

    Her multi-brigade suicidal charge at Gettysburg will never be forgotten.
    _

    harkin (077308)

  269. 275. And don’t get me wrong, Sammy. I think modern political polling is a load of buncombe. But if we can extrapolate voters’ views from such a small number, then I would think the small number of cases on board the Diamond Princess should not be an obstacle to understanding how CoViD-19 “works” vis-a-viz transmission and death rates.

    If the cowardly CoViD doomsayers were ever right to begin with, most of the people on board the Diamond Princess should have dropped dead of CoViD-19. Instead, well over half of them never got sick — ever. And to this day, nobody in the media or the American federal government has really bothered questioning why that was the case.

    Gryph (08c844)

  270. Well at least we know what the next Mark Wahlberg movie might be about.

    urbanleftbehind (378c86)

  271. You understand nothing, Rob.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1) — 7/12/2020 @ 12:43 pm

    And that’s a personal attack on me. Amazing how easily you can dish them out.

    NJRob (dd759b)

  272. Sure, I’ll do all 1.3M fires in the US annually, even the 3,500 yesterday. But it’s great that your pushing some sort of conspiracy delusion, or something, I guess.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 7/12/2020 @ 12:43 pm

    Hmm. Good way for someone from a leftist perspective to minimize an attack on Christians. Now do the same for guns being used versus cops killing someone as a way to minimize cop shootings. Ill wait with bated breath.

    NJRob (dd759b)

  273. Her multi-brigade suicidal charge at Gettysburg will never be forgotten.
    _

    harkin (077308) — 7/12/2020 @ 1:16 pm

    That’s already been dismissed as not important by someone above. It doesn’t help with the narrative.

    NJRob (dd759b)

  274. @274. I don’t think it does any good to wear a mask amidst a pandemic.

    Think again.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  275. 283. Uh huh. Nuh uh. Uh huh. I wonder when you CoViD Cowards are going to knock that stupid schoolyard sh!t off.

    Gryph (08c844)

  276. I don’t think it does any good to wear a mask amidst a pandemic. There are studies showing that it does, and studies showing that it doesn’t. And here we are.

    If, as you believe, the efficacy of mask-wearing is up in the air, why not err on the side of caution and just wear one on public? Just in case…

    Dana (25e0dc)

  277. @284. “You must… think.” – Charles Keith [Gregory Peck] ‘Marooned’ 1969

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  278. And that’s a personal attack on me. Amazing how easily you can dish them out.

    Finally, you understood something. Well done!
    And your smear of me still remains.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  279. 285. Because I don’t think it’s up in the air. I come down most definitively on that one side of the equation.

    I’m not about raising a ruckus and making a big deal out of being asked to wear a mask. I’d just leave if it was ever an issue. But I won’t go somewhere that I know requires one.

    Gryph (08c844)

  280. If, as you believe, the efficacy of mask-wearing is up in the air, why not err on the side of caution and just wear one on public? Just in case…

    Dana (25e0dc) — 7/12/2020 @ 1:42 pm

    That is good logic. We all know that masks ‘may’ reduce your chance of spreading illness. It’s irrational to say this chance of saving a life is without value.

    This is doubly the case when it’s common sense that masks reduce the spread of disease, for the same reason we would resent someone coughing on us without turning their head or covering their mouth.

    But with all this time to discuss masks, anyone still bragging about not wearing masks is either a troll or just beyond reason.

    Dustin (724986)

  281. 289. Not everyone that won’t wear a mask makes a big deal out of it, Dustin. I talk about it quite a bit in these forums, but there are a couple of places in my hometown that I just won’t go anymore. I don’t even really discuss it with my wife unless she brings it up as a topic of conversation.

    Gryph (08c844)

  282. Finally, you understood something. Well done!
    And your smear of me still remains.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1) — 7/12/2020 @ 1:47 pm

    You’re projecting. And trying to change the topic.

    NJRob (dd759b)

  283. COVID death rates in selected states:
    NJ – 17.6%
    NY – 16.7%
    CT – 12.2%
    MA – 12.1%
    GA_ 2.8%
    TX – 1.1%
    CA – 1.8%
    Trump has done a terrible job with the virus in those northeastern states but he is a genius elsewhere. Maybe Trump is not the problem here.

    1DaveMac (4cc9b4)

  284. Obviously the people in the Northeast aren’t wearing their masks.

    1DaveMac (4cc9b4)

  285. Obviously the people in the Northeast aren’t wearing their masks.

    Why is it you think it’s OK to disregard temporal placement?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  286. Whole I appreciate that You don’t go to places that require a mask, Gryph, and also accept that you don’t believe in their efficacy, I am very curious as to what you think it would cost you to wear one in public? What of Gryph would no longer be there if you went against what you believe and just put on?

    Dana (25e0dc)

  287. The Hill
    @thehill
    ·
    AOC on increased NYC crime: “Maybe this has to do with the fact that people aren’t paying their rent & are scared to pay their rent & so they go out & they need to feed their child & they don’t have money so… they feel like they either need to shoplift some bread or go hungry.”
    _ _

    I Might Be Donna
    @Crypsis12
    ·
    Gee cupcake, do you suppose this has anything to do with it?

    “Of approximately 2,500 defendants sprung from Rikers early because of COVID safety planning, at least 250 have been arrested again since, according to Michael LiPetri, chief of Crime Control Strategies for the NYPD.”
    __ _

    𝗥𝗲𝗽𝘂𝗯𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗻 𝗥𝗲𝗣𝗔𝗥𝗧𝗘𝗘
    @RepubRepartee
    ·
    She’s essentially describing Venezuela. And her solution is to adapt their policies.
    _ _

    𝖕ɐɯ 𝖘ı 𝖕𝖑ɹ𝖔ʍ
    @beatriceofeste
    ·
    does @nikestore make bread now?
    __ _

    Matt Modica
    @ctmbaseball
    ·
    Goya donated millions to food banks and did more than any politician in the City since Covid came along but she wants them cancelled.

    _

    Related…….

    NY Post – NYPD limits retirement applications amid 400 percent violent crime surge this week

    https://nypost.com/2020/07/08/nypd-limits-retirement-applications-amid-411-surge-this-week/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
    __ _

    harkin (077308)

  288. oh gosh paulie,

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/07/gop-voter-registration-outpaces-democrats/

    your surrender to the forces of marxism will be delayed,

    narciso (7404b5)

  289. 295. I don’t owe you or anyone else an explanation. All you need to know is, I won’t comply. I’ve told you why and that’s more explanation than I owe anyone.

    To me, that kind of question is like being asked, “Just how many guns do you own, Mr. 2nd Amendment?” by a gun-control libwit. My answer to that special kind of stupidity is, “Pray you’re never dumb enough to break into my home and find out.”

    Gryph (08c844)

  290. 293. Or just maybe, the people in the Northeast are ruled by Democrat bluebloods, sort of like Trump used to be before he decided to run for office.

    Gryph (08c844)

  291. Of course you don’t owe me or anyone an answer. I was just trying to understand your intense resistance.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  292. do they ever bother with the truth,

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2020/07/11/msnbc-evening-shows-gave-137-mins-expert-who-said-he-had

    alex ferguson first queried this quack, back in may,

    narciso (7404b5)

  293. You’re projecting. And trying to change the topic.

    Bullsh*t. The last three times you’ve confronted me, you mischaracterized my comment to narciso and tried to impugn my integrity the other two times, and then when you get some pushback, you play the victim card like the shiddy character you are, pulling your stupid passive-aggressive twattage.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  294. 300. I don’t know if you’re capable of understanding it any more than I am capable of understanding your trust in bureaucrats “experts,” which I am demonstrably not.

    Gryph (08c844)

  295. In Texas, (and ther places) there have been some coronavirus parties, where people try to get infected so they will be immune and not have to concern themselves about this any more.

    A 30=year old man died. Before he died, he told a nurse that he thought he made a mistake.

    Sammy Finkelman (5c3ef7)

  296. 304. Okay. So?

    Gryph (08c844)

  297. 302… let’s tone it down a bit, please.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  298. oh gosh paulie,
    your surrender to the forces of marxism will be delayed,

    Another personal attack. I share the same political party as you do, narciso, anti-communism and anti-Marxism included.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  299. let’s tone it down a bit, please.

    Noted, that your comment is directed at one guy and not at the other two, so I don’t accept that your comment was made in good faith.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  300. 50. Rip Murdock (41bc87) — 7/11/2020 @ 12:31 pm

    Scientists have devised a way to use the antibody-rich blood plasma of COVID-19 survivors for an upper-arm injection that they say could inoculate people against the virus for months.

    They only want vaccines.

    Sammy Finkelman (5c3ef7)

  301. 307. It amuses me when the debate over mostly unimportant things gets so heated around here. And yes, I am as much to blame for that at times as anyone. Still, neither major political party is worth a warm bucket of p!$$ and if it is at all possible for me to be any more apathetic than I was in 2016, I can see it happening November-next.

    Gryph (08c844)

  302. Noted, that your comment is directed at one guy and not at the other two, so I don’t accept that your comment was made in good faith.

    You are the guy employing the foul mouth.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  303. You are the guy employing the foul mouth.

    And you’re the guy ignoring their attacks, because one guy’s language is a little saucy. Your one-sidedness is noted.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  304. 270… I don’t think JoeyBee needs to emerge from his basement to win the election. He’s far from a shoo-in, but the more he stays down there, the better his chances.

    Given Democrats focus on priorities like defunding the police, taking down statues of Lincoln, George Washington, and others, plus their penchant for hating Whitey, Biden has a very steep hill to climb.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  305. 312… Leftists always hate it when they get smoked out. It’s both predictable and amusing.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  306. https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/leading-chinese-virologist-dr-li-meng-yan-flees-hong-kong-accuses-beijing-of-coronavirus-cover-up (this stpry seems to require registration)

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-virologist-coronavirus-cover-up-flee-hong-kong-whistleblower

    EXCLUSIVE: Chinese virologist accuses Beijing of coronavirus cover-up, flees Hong Kong: ‘I know how they treat whistleblowers’

    Li-Meng Yan told Fox News that she believes China knew about the coronavirus well before it claimed it did. She says her supervisors also ignored research she was doing that she believes could have saved lives.

    ours before she boarded an April 28 Cathay Pacific flight to the United States, the respected doctor who specialized in virology and immunology at the Hong Kong School of Public Health had plotted her escape, packing her bag and sneaking past the censors and video cameras on campus.

    She had her passport and her purse and was about to leave all of her loved ones behind. If she was caught, she knew she could be thrown in jail — or, worse, rendered one of the “disappeared.”

    Yan told Fox News in an exclusive interview that she believes the Chinese government knew about the novel coronavirus well before it claimed it did. She says her supervisors, renowned as some of the top experts in the field, also ignored research she was doing at the onset of the pandemic that she believes could have saved lives.

    A friend told her that there were family clusters in Wuhan so there mus be human to human transmission.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/11/world/asia/china-hong-kong-security-schools.html

    The uncertainty over the law is driving concerns that scholars may be forced to censor themselves. Others fear that the vaguely defined crime of collusion could be applied to international academic collaborations.

    Bruce Lui, a senior lecturer in journalism at Hong Kong Baptist University, pointed out the many topics that are covered by mainland China’s own national security law, ranging from the economy to outer space and, lately, biosecurity. Could researchers in Hong Kong, he asked, be punished for publishing data on the origins of the new coronavirus if their findings implicated China?

    Some administrators are striking a defiant note. Kellee Tsai, the dean of the school of humanities and social science at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, encouraged her department to carry on their teaching and research as usual until further instructions were issued.The uncertainty over the law is driving concerns that scholars may be forced to censor themselves. Others fear that the vaguely defined crime of collusion could be applied to international academic collaborations.

    Bruce Lui, a senior lecturer in journalism at Hong Kong Baptist University, pointed out the many topics that are covered by mainland China’s own national security law, ranging from the economy to outer space and, lately, biosecurity. Could researchers in Hong Kong, he asked, be punished for publishing data on the origins of the new coronavirus if their findings implicated China?

    Some administrators are striking a defiant note. Kellee Tsai, the dean of the school of humanities and social science at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, encouraged her department to carry on their teaching and research as usual until further instructions were issued.

    Sammy Finkelman (5c3ef7)

  307. Well, I received my new masks last week. Yeah, I saw this commercial on television, FastShipMasks, I think it’s called. Then I saw an ad on the Internet, so I thought I would order some. The next day Gov. Abbott mandated wearing masks in public across Texas, in practically every county except for a very few where the case numbers are low. I figured it was just good timing.

    These masks are comfortable, breathable, plus the ones I ordered have an American flag design. They’re much better than the somewhat surgical boxload of masks one of our assistants ordered in early April. That was when one of our realtors tested positive for coronavirus, and another had a granddaughter who tested positive; both were told to stay away from the office, yet they both came to work the next day. This was a disaster, because the office had to be shut down completely, fogged, fumigated and scrubbed with bleach, every surface. My mother and her junior partner do not take unnecessary risks.

    We ordered this boxload of surgical masks, available to everyone for free that wanted to come in and make a payment or negotiate a deal. The problem is that these surgical masks are disposable, meaning you can only wear it once, then throw it away.

    The added advantage to these new masks is that they’re machine washable. I don’t have to keep reordering masks.

    Am I happy about having to wear a mask in public? No, I’m really not, but it is store policy. And I am not going to argue with store policy.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  308. Leftists always hate it when they get smoked out. It’s both predictable and amusing.

    There was no smoking out. They were smears, and I reserve the right to defend myself as strongly as I wish. I like your movie and musical tastes, Haiku, but your myopic hyperpartisanship sucks.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  309. 313. You’re forgetting that there is a non-zero number of voters who embrace that agenda and don’t care who ascends to the Oval Office as long as they’re from the right party.

    Gryph (08c844)

  310. 318. *…the correct party.

    Heh.

    Gryph (08c844)

  311. 316. I’m not going to argue with store policy either. You require masks, you lose my business. Full. Stop.

    Gryph (08c844)

  312. @314. ‘Leftists always hate it when they get smoked out. It’s both predictable and amusing.’

    While Righties always keep getting caught, prosecuted, convicted, commuted or pardoned, never do time — and become “Fox News contributors.” It’s both predicable and amusing. 😉

    “Well, when the president does it, that means it’s not illegal.” – The Big Dick, April 6, 1977

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  313. Are hospitals full of CoViD patients? Is that really the case, or does someone with an agenda want you to think so?

    I don’t know exactly but there is some information in Texas about how many hospital beds are available. In my hospital, the beds are still available but the hospital is limiting non-Covid cases to emergencies because taking care of Covid patients endangers almost every area of the hospital, e.g., the air conditioning system, food services, xray/ct/mri machines. And there are not unlimited respiratory therapists, OTs, hospitalists, nurses, etc, especially since they are getting quarantined or infected, too.

    DRJ (aede82)

  314. In other words, we are at or near capacity, Gryph.

    DRJ (aede82)

  315. My information about my local hospital is first-hand.

    DRJ (aede82)

  316. Paul Montagu (c9d3c1) — 7/12/2020 @ 4:26 pm

    I agree with Colonel Haiku that you, Paul, need to tone it down. How many of your fellow commenters do you need to tell you this?

    felipe (023cc9)

  317. The first personal attack was made here, and not by Paul.

    Dave (1bb933)

  318. but your myopic hyperpartisanship sucks.

    I apologize for triggering you, Paul.

    Colonel Haiku (9be3ce)

  319. Dave (1bb933) — 7/12/2020 @ 5:07 pm

    Nor will it be the last, Dave. I will wager that you and I both find attacks, especially saucy ones, tiresome and unproductive. But equally as unproductive and tiresome would be a litany of corrections. Let us look at Haiku’s righteous request.

    302… let’s tone it down a bit, please.
    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/12/2020 @ 4:12 pm

    “302” is the comment that drew the request.
    “let’s” is plural, not singular.
    “tone it down a bit,” This does not mean shut up, nor does it assign blame.
    “please.” Do I need to explain this?

    It is childish to retort “what about the others?” “He started it!”

    Let us act as the adults we should be, please.

    felipe (023cc9)

  320. #294 There is a reason I put California in the list.

    1DaveMac (4cc9b4)

  321. I don’t know if you’re capable of understanding it any more than I am capable of understanding your trust in bureaucrats “experts,” which I am demonstrably not.

    Gryph (08c844) — 7/12/2020 @ 4:07 pm

    While I do look to experts for their, well, expertise, I am pro-mask because it is simply logical. If infection can be transmitted in aerosol form between points A and B, it only stands to reason that if both A and B have a physical barrier in place, although the aeresole is still moving, transmission would be inhibited, and could even prevented because of the inability to pass through the barrier before dissipating.
    .

    Dana (25e0dc)

  322. There is a reason I put California in the list.

    That is not what temporal means.

    It means in relation to time. As in the Northeast there current rates of positive test results and current mortality is low. While the sunbelt states, and California, are escalating, wildly, now.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  323. And what I was trying to find out from you, Gryph, is whether you feel your personal rights are impeded by being compelled to wear a mask, whether you feel this should be your decision alone, whether you think you know better than the so-called experts, etc.? But mostly what I wonder is how you refute the logic that a simple barrier over the source/receptacle for Covid aeresoles limit or even prevent infection?

    Dana (25e0dc)

  324. No, felipe.
    Narciso started the personal attack and NJRob added to it by mischaracterizing my comment as a personal attack. It wasn’t. There are commenting rules about personal attacks and mischaracterizing other peoples’ positions.

    That leads me to the key principle: DO NOT MISCHARACTERIZE OTHER PEOPLE’S POSITIONS. Also, do not mischaracterize other people’s positions. One more thing: do not mischaracterize other people’s positions.

    Those are Patterico’s emphases, not mine.
    I would add Haiku for smearing me as a “leftist”. This is the same bullsh*t that Patterico has faced when he criticized Trump for one thing or another, that he’s some sort of leftist or non-conservative for not falling in line or jumping on the Trump bandwagon.
    Another thing. There are no rules about spicy language (look it up), although we all know that the language filter works pretty well.
    I didn’t get personal with narciso, I just called out his attack. I did get personal with NJRob, because he has a history of passive-aggressive attacks.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  325. I apologize for triggering you, Paul.

    Non-apology not accepted, Haiku.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  326. 331,

    I can remember when there was the belief that when the hot summer weather began, the virus would recede and die out… Trump told us that back in April.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  327. I can remember when there was the belief that when the hot summer weather began, the virus would recede and die out… Trump told us that back in April.

    I can remember when there was a guy on TeeVee talking about it one day. Of course, that day was also the one when the president thought we should investigate getting internal tans and injecting disinfectants, so the wrongness of guy #1 was kinda blanked out by the sheer insanity of guy #2. Since then, guy #2 has said or done 7,463 other batpoopcrazy things, so isolating any individual crazy in the noise is difficult.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  328. Paul Montagu (c9d3c1) — 7/12/2020 @ 5:38 pm

    That is a “toned down comment,” Paul. Thank you. You will find that making those kinds of comments will eventually win you respect, even if grudgingly, from your fellow commenters; beginning with me.

    felipe (023cc9)

  329. Dana (25e0dc) — 7/12/2020 @ 5:39 pm

    Yes, so do I. But I thought this would be the case relying on my own personal experience with the flu.

    felipe (023cc9)

  330. It’s interesting to not that Admiral Giroir said today that mask use needs to be at 90%, that deaths are going to rise dramatically over the next 3-4 weeks, and we’ll need 10’s of millions of tests a week going into the fall.

    He was also talking about the pool testing, that they’ve been talking about for 6 weeks, that there is still not a supplier, schedule, or plan to deploy. But he’s hopeful we’ll be getting results in a week…a time that an individual test cannot consistently deliver today with the volume, and a pool test is not less technically challenging. The only way to deliver on pool testing in a faster timeline, is to replace an individual tests with a pool test on a more than 1-1 basis. Which I’m personally OK with, if that’s a plan that is actually, you know, planned for, implemented and tracked. If that plan is punted because the results are too scary for Trump to hear, then it’s not a valuable trade off.

    If you’re not wearing a mask today, you are lazy and a fool. Full stop, and yes, this means you too.

    HHS testing czar Brett Giroir implored Americans to wear masks in public Sunday and said “everything should be on the table” when asked if more stringent lockdowns might be needed in southern states where the coronavirus cases are shattering record after record.

    “For this to work, we have to have like 90 percent of people wearing a mask in public in the hot spot areas,” Giroir said on ABC’s “This Week.” “If we don’t have that, we will not get control of the virus.”

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  331. Yes, so do I. But I thought this would be the case relying on my own personal experience with the flu.

    This is not the flu any more than a paper cut is the same as sawing off your leg with a chainsaw. It’s not an oopsie.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  332. felipe, I appreciate your comments, and I mostly agree.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  333. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 7/12/2020 @ 6:00 pm

    Hyperbole aside, we all know this, now. But not then.

    felipe (023cc9)

  334. 333… When I read posts, I note the political leanings that I perceive, the frequency of posts and the general tone of the posts. I’ve learned that most lefties are obsessive, compulsive, have low self-esteem and usually appear to be insecure, quite miserable, and are not having a good time. So they like to extend the two minutes of hate… 24×7 (if they can) and just love, love, love to spread their unhappiness.

    I’d sure like to see more happiness out there!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  335. From a more profound sage

    it has become abundantly clear in the second half of the twentieth century that Western Man has decided to abolish himself.

    Having wearied of the struggle to be himself, he has created

    his own boredom out of his own affluence,

    his own impotence out of his own erotomania,

    his own vulnerability out of his own strength;

    himself blowing the trumpet that brings the walls of his own city tumbling down, and, in a process of auto-genocide, convincing himself that he is too numerous, and labouring accordingly with pill and scalpel and syringe to make himself fewer in order to be an easier prey for his enemies;

    until at last, having educated himself into imbecility, and polluted and drugged himself into stupefaction, he keels over a weary, battered old brontosaurus and becomes extinct.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  336. That was from malcolm muggeridge a lefty who saw the light

    Narciso (7404b5)

  337. Hyperbole aside, we all know this, now. But not then.

    felipe (023cc9) — 7/12/2020 @ 6:08 pm

    I thought the summer would help too. Most of us did.

    I wonder if the flu season will be really awful, or if all the stuff we’re doing will make it the best flu season in memory.

    Dustin (724986)

  338. 346… Let’s make this coming flu season, the best flu season ever!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  339. Country Dick does Zep… https://youtu.be/FweGoACQmno

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  340. Now there’s a man who loved his cocaine. Unfortunately.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  341. Ha! That was great, nk.

    felipe (023cc9)

  342. Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    No, Radical Left anarchists, agitators, looters or protesters will not be knocking down or harming the Washington Monument, the Lincoln or Jefferson Memorials, or just about any other Federal Monumrnt or Statue. If they even try, an automatic 10 years in prison. Sorry!

    I somehow don’t think he was what the Washington Monument is. Mainly because “Trump knows” is a non-sequitur.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  343. Paul,

    You are being dishonest. You love to provoke people that refuse to insult the president because it’s counterproductive, but you have no issue parsing statements made from a leftist perspective or dismissing evidence that violence is increasing against groups currently unflavored. You did that just above when i made multiple citations about churches coming under attack when you dismissed them in relation to all fires and then claiming I wasn’t telling the truth.

    But you do that consistently as do a couple of others here that claim to be conservative yet always argue against conservatives who post here if they don’t share your positions.

    NJRob (dd759b)

  344. For those who dread Zeppelin.

    felipe (023cc9)

  345. nk,

    I’m completely tickled by that version of Stairway to Heaven!

    norcal (a5428a)

  346. Unfavored*

    I hate autocorrect.

    NJRob (dd759b)

  347. Separate question:

    If someone had the virus, asymptomatic, mild or serious and now have antibodies and test negative for the virus, why should they wear a mask? It’s not for their health or others and could be harmful to their health.

    NJRob (dd759b)

  348. I’d sure like to see more happiness out there!

    Me too, Haiku. I take it you haven’t visited an InstaPundit or Hotair comment thread. There is no shortage of “obsessive, compulsive, have low self-esteem…” qualities coming from the most loyal of loyal Trump defenders on the right.
    I spent almost nine years taking Obama to task for his lies, his strawmen, his policies, etc. starting in March 2008 with his lies about Iraq (http://www.theforvm *dot* org/diary/bird-dog/obama-eludes-and-elides-on-iraq) to January 2017 when he denied that he underestimated Putin (http://www.theforvm *dot* org/uh-yes-you-did), and there were hundreds of posts in between.
    I would suggest reading the actual words than make wrong judgments based on perceptions of “general tone”.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  349. If someone had the virus, asymptomatic, mild or serious and now have antibodies and test negative for the virus, why should they wear a mask? It’s not for their health or others and could be harmful to their health.

    NJRob (dd759b) — 7/12/2020 @ 7:15 pm

    I have a hard time seeing how a rinky dink piece of paper on your face is going to be harmful to your health. We’ve had troops wear gas masks for 24 hour operations (drinking through a straw in the mask). There is always some rare case, but the notion of everyone wearing a mask seems helpful. Unfortunately if there is that one out of a million guy who really has a legit medical reason not to wear a mask, people will think he’s lying because most of the people with those ADA cards are goofballs.

    et’s make this coming flu season, the best flu season ever!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/12/2020 @ 6:39 pm

    LOL

    I mean, yeah, let’s. Maybe this is just my weird way of seeing the world, but the flu shouldn’t spread as much this year. Domestic violence, suicide, stuff like that, I feel like it’s skyrocketing, but I bet the flu isn’t as bad.

    Dustin (724986)

  350. That was great, nk. Weird but it definitely works.

    DRJ (aede82)

  351. That Texas shooting of two police officers was a result of a domestic violence call. Heat and angry, tense, or bored people make for problems.

    DRJ (aede82)

  352. 332. Sometimes what looks like “simple logic” turns out to be a logical fallacy. The assumption that face diapers prevent transmission of any viral agents is just that — an assumption, unsupported in any scentific terms.

    On the Diamond Princess, there were many older married couples occupying the same rooms without masks. Of these couples, some both got them, some couples had one get sick and not the other, and there were some couples who didn’t get sick at all. This “simple logic” tells me that CoViD-19 is either not as transmissible as we’ve all been led to believe, or perhaps something has triggered a pre-existing immunity before we realized what CoViD-19 was. Either way, I am not going to be cowed into living my life according to a worst-case scenario.

    As before, no further explanation will be forthcoming. Your curiosity will remain unsated.

    Gryph (08c844)

  353. You are being dishonest. You love to provoke people that refuse to insult the president because it’s counterproductive, but you have no issue parsing statements made from a leftist perspective or dismissing evidence that violence is increasing against groups currently unflavored.

    One, I’ll take “you are being dishonest” as a personal attack, Rob. Two, mindreading is an intellectually lazy and dishonest practice. You’re doing what liberals do, divining their opponents’ intentions (which are almost always wrong, as your assertion is) with made up nonsense to shore up your lame unfounded positions.

    You did that just above when i made multiple citations about churches coming under attack when you dismissed them in relation to all fires and then claiming I wasn’t telling the truth.

    No, I didn’t, and I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt by saying you’re mistaken and not lying. I said nothing about churches or fires, not one word, including not one word about you not “telling the truth” on the matter. You should take that false accusation back.

    But you do that consistently as do a couple of others here that claim to be conservative yet always argue against conservatives who post here if they don’t share your positions.

    Once again, you’ve revealed your complete failure to comprehend that my arguments are against Trump and his numerous non-conservative and anti-conservative and anti-character and anti-American positions, and those arguments come from a traditional conservative point of view. Instead of getting angry about it and lashing out, try some civility and use your words to make a counter-argument.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  354. I know who is destroying the country earping minds erasing history amd who is speaking out against it, i know who has taken action in syria and who mouthed words.

    Unlike some on this board im not joking about the consequences of whether biden or another sock puppet takes power.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  355. Rob @357

    Valid point. You would probably not need a mask.
    But
    1)Do you really want to explain to everyone you used to have it but no longer do. Especially if you have allergies that make you sneeze or cough every do often.

    2) Theoretically you might still have low levels of the virus in you.

    3) If you’re in a locale like mine, you have a local ordinance mandating masks in any store.

    4) I think if mask wearing hinders Covid 19, it will alsi hinder common cold and regular flu bugs.

    Kishnevi (ee5d1c)

  356. “Unlike some on this board im not joking about the consequences of whether biden or another sock puppet takes power.”

    This is the same thing people said when Obama was elected. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the same thing people said when Bill Clinton was elected.

    Davethulhu (38b7bb)

  357. 354… that is absolutely horrible, felipe. Outstanding!

    I’d forgotten all about those guys.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  358. This is the same thing people said when Obama was elected. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the same thing people said when Bill Clinton was elected.

    Davethulhu (38b7bb) — 7/12/2020 @ 8:18 pm

    On the contrary, what we have today IS a consequence of Obama being elected. Look, Trump’s a joke. But Obama had a golden opportunity to heal this country. He elected to take a different path, and this wasn’t some notional imagined choice. This was a real decision he made. That a lot of Americans grew angry with him was a predictable consequence of how the democratic party carried itself.

    Every criticism was racism. Every cop was quote Obama “stupid”. The birther movement was a good example. Obama could have snuffed it out of existence, but it was handy to let it consume his opposition. And who did that help? It helped Trump a lot. He rammed through an incredibly powerful change in healthcare. Granted, the GOP didn’t want to work with him, but that was partly because Obama failed to become the uniter I feel he could have been.

    Bill Clinton was a much better president than Obama in the office, albeit Obama at least represented family values well (no one seems to care about that though).

    By all means, lay all this at the feet of the alt-right, but Biden actually has the opportunity to lead, right here, today, and instead he will take the (humorous) strategy of hiding until November.

    Dustin (724986)

  359. Fauci is sidelined by the White House as he steps up blunt talk on pandemic
    …….
    In recent days, the 79-year-old scientist and director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases has found himself directly in the president’s crosshairs. During a Fox News interview Thursday with Sean Hannity, Trump said Fauci “is a nice man, but he’s made a lot of mistakes.” And when Greta Van Susteren asked him last week about Fauci’s assessment that the country was not in a good place, Trump said flatly: “I disagree with him.”

    Fauci no longer briefs Trump and is “never in the Oval [Office] anymore,” said a senior administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. Fauci last spoke to the president during the first week of June, according to a person with knowledge of Trump’s calendar.

    …… Trump cannot directly fire Fauci, a career civil servant with more than 50 years in government service who enjoys strong bipartisan support in Congress. …….
    …….
    The tension between the White House and Fauci was on full display last Sunday, when CBS host Margaret Brennan told millions of viewers that “Face the Nation” had tried for three months to interview him.

    White House communications officials, who must approve television appearances related to the coronavirus, responded by allowing Fauci spots this week on PBS NewsHour, a CNN town hall with Sanjay Gupta and NBC’s “Meet the Press” during the prime Sunday morning slot, according to one person familiar with the situation.

    Then Fauci joined a Facebook Live event on Tuesday with Sen. Doug Jones (D-Ala.), disputing Trump’s assertions that a lower death rate showed the country’s progress against the pandemic. Fauci called it “a false narrative” and warned, “Don’t get yourself into false complacency.”

    Fauci did not end up making any of the scheduled appearances. The White House canceled them after his Tuesday remarks…..
    …….
    “Our bigger issue with Fauci is stop critiquing the task force . . . and try to fix it,” the official said.
    ……..
    Trump is also galled by Fauci’s approval ratings. A recent New York Times/Siena College poll showed that 67 percent of voters trusted Fauci for information on the coronavirus, compared with 26 percent who trusted Trump.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  360. Trump’s Health Officials Warn More Will Die as Covid Cases Rise
    Two of the Trump administration’s top health officials acknowledged Sunday that the country is facing a very serious situation with the onslaught of rising coronavirus cases in several states, striking a far more sober tone than President Trump at this stage of the pandemic in the United States.

    Adm. Brett Giroir, an assistant secretary with the Health and Human Services department, and Dr. Jerome Adams, the surgeon general, both emphasized their concern about surging outbreaks, many of them in areas where people have not followed recommended public health guidelines to contain the spread of the virus. Their remarks were in sharp contrast to Mr. Trump’s contention just last week that 99 percent of the cases were “totally harmless” and his boast of the country’s low death rate from the virus.
    …….
    “It’s really essential to wear masks,” Admiral Giroir said. “We have to have like 90 percent of people wearing the masks in public in the hot spot areas. If we don’t have that, we will not get control of the virus.”
    …….
    “ There’s no downside to wearing a mask,” Admiral Giroir responded. “I’m a pediatric I.C.U. physician. I wore a mask 10 hours a day for many many years.”

    Dr. Adams wore a mask during his entire interview on the CBS program “Face the Nation” even though he was being interviewed remotely from Indiana. He said measures like wearing face coverings were “critically important.”
    …….
    Asked on “This Week” if states with stark increases in cases, like Florida, South Carolina, Arizona, Texas and Georgia, should consider more stringent measures, Admiral Giroir said “everything should be on the table.” He said closing bars and limiting the number of patrons allowed in restaurants were “two measures that really do need to be done.”
    …….
    Appearing on “Face the Nation,” Dr. Scott Gottlieb, a former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration in the Trump administration, said, “I think things are going to get worse before they get better.”

    …… Dr. Gottlieb said, “I think the Southern experience is more likely to mirror Brazil.”……

    Dr. Gottlieb said the states that were now hot spots had reopened too early and “people became complacent, especially younger people — they were going out, not taking precautions.”

    He said that the surge in infections in younger people had now begun to spread to more vulnerable populations. “That’s what we’re seeing right now, you’re seeing rising cases in nursing homes.”

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  361. 364.I know who is destroying the country earping minds erasing history amd who is speaking out against it, i know who has taken action in syria and who mouthed words. Unlike some on this board im not joking about the consequences of whether biden or another sock puppet takes power.

    Reagan Seed.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  362. Dustin,

    when you say wearing a mask is just a piece of cloth and no big deal, even if someone already had the virus and is immune, you remind me of those who demand western women wear burkas to show sensitivity to islamists and others. It’s become a religious experience when you look at how people treat Gryph for his personal approach to refusing to submit to someone else’s choices for his life.

    You may consider that hyperbolic, but then just stick everyone in a burka. It’s a built in piece of cloth with a mask.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  363. And the Skins have given in to the leftist mob. Amazing how people claim they don’t have “power,” but their minority opinions are given greater weight than the vast majority.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  364. Dustin,

    when you say wearing a mask is just a piece of cloth and no big deal, even if someone already had the virus and is immune, you remind me of those who demand western women wear burkas to show sensitivity to islamists and others. It’s become a religious experience when you look at how people treat Gryph for his personal approach to refusing to submit to someone else’s choices for his life.

    You may consider that hyperbolic, but then just stick everyone in a burka. It’s a built in piece of cloth with a mask.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/12/2020 @ 9:40 pm

    LOL that is an amazing comment.

    Germs are a proven thing. The idea of airborne disease being transmitted less if you cover your mouth is a matter of common sense. If that offends your concept of Jesus you probably need to get your dosages adjusted.

    Dustin (724986)

  365. Dustin,

    germs are indeed which is why I cited an exact case of someone who is now immune to the virus. You are the one who said wearing a cloth is no big deal. I wanted to know how far your remarks went when you decided it’s just a piece of cloth so what’s the issue.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  366. “On the contrary, what we have today IS a consequence of Obama being elected. Look, Trump’s a joke. But Obama had a golden opportunity to heal this country. He elected to take a different path, and this wasn’t some notional imagined choice. This was a real decision he made. That a lot of Americans grew angry with him was a predictable consequence of how the democratic party carried itself.

    Every criticism was racism. Every cop was quote Obama “stupid”. The birther movement was a good example. Obama could have snuffed it out of existence, but it was handy to let it consume his opposition. And who did that help? It helped Trump a lot. He rammed through an incredibly powerful change in healthcare. Granted, the GOP didn’t want to work with him, but that was partly because Obama failed to become the uniter I feel he could have been.

    Bill Clinton was a much better president than Obama in the office, albeit Obama at least represented family values well (no one seems to care about that though).”

    The Republicans made it clear from day one that they were never going to work with Obama. Obama’s failure (from my perspective) is that he and the DNC totally dropped the ball in building on his successful campaign.

    I’ll give a counter interpretation of the birther thing: No evidence would suffice for the people who believed it. And if it did, the people who opportunistically pushed it would just find something else. The “terrorist fist bump”, the dijon mustard, the tan suit.

    It’s interesting that you bring up Clinton and “family values” because his behavior turned me off enough that I voted for Bush in 2000 (I wasn’t as politically involved back then). The Obama couple seen to genuinely care for each other, and their children, but the right still pushed rumors that he was gay and that Michelle was a man.

    In any event, my take from narciso’s post was that he doing the same tired warning that we get every cycle: “If the Democrat wins, they’ll destroy the country.”

    Davethulhu (38b7bb)

  367. “And the Skins have given in to the leftist mob. Amazing how people claim they don’t have “power,” but their minority opinions are given greater weight than the vast majority.”

    Why do you think you’re in the majority?

    Davethulhu (38b7bb)

  368. “And the Skins have given in to the leftist mob. Amazing how people claim they don’t have “power,” but their minority opinions are given greater weight than the vast majority.”

    Why do you think you’re in the majority?

    Davethulhu (38b7bb) — 7/12/2020 @ 11:06 pm

    Go look at the previous post on the Skins. I gave enough information there and cited accordingly to repeat myself. I expect you looked at it then.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  369. “Go look at the previous post on the Skins. I gave enough information there and cited accordingly to repeat myself. I expect you looked at it then.”

    I don’t know what post you’re talking about. As far as i can tell, that post is your first comment about the Skins in this thread.

    Davethulhu (38b7bb)

  370. Last weekend’s open thread.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  371. R.I.P. Kelly Preston, 57

    Wife of John Travolta

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  372. https://outkick.com/lebron-tweets-freewoj-which-wouldve-been-astonishing-once-upon-a-time/

    Lebron James continuing his path down to hell with a lack of class and respect towards his fellow man.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  373. good night all.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  374. Viruses are not germs. Masks have been proven to stop bacterial infections (otherwise known as germs). Viruses are much smaller. For short periods of time, as the virus particles are trapped in the droplets, they are stopped. As soon as the droplets evaporate, the virus is released. For that reason, masks must be properly fitted, any gap renders the mask ineffective. The masks most also be periodically cleaned and sanitized. An ordinary cloth mask will be rendered ineffective in an hour or two. Masks with HEPA filters are effective for longer periods but the filters must be changed frequently. There is literally over a decade of research data showing this. To think that the average person will be able to ensure their mask is fitted properly and replaced every couple of hours is an exercise in wishful thinking.

    1DaveMac (4cc9b4)

  375. https://amgreatness.com/2020/07/10/fauci-is-a-deep-state-fraud/
    mask off, mask on, off, on, off, on. fu doc.

    mg (8cbc69)

  376. 375. “Germs” are a proven thing. The ability of a cloth face diaper to stop viral particles is not. Keep your eye on the ball, Sport.

    Gryph (08c844)

  377. , any gap renders the mask ineffective.

    I’m sure that’s true, eventually, and to a degree, but most folks aren’t wearing these all day. Those who are, will probably be wearing better masks and doing so more effectively.

    Wearing them for a few minutes in the store will obviously contain that stuff better than nothing. I imagine much, much better than nothing.

    This isn’t really controversial or hard to understand.

    Dustin (724986)

  378. 390.

    This isn’t really controversial or hard to understand.

    Dustin (724986) — 7/13/2020 @ 5:33 am

    Wow. I just had some deja vu. I’ve been told the same thing many times by climate alarmists. And here we are. LOLOL

    Gryph (08c844)

  379. About this QAnon thing: AlAnon is the counterpart of AA, to provide support to the families of alcoholics. So does QAnon’s membership include Melania Trump, the Cheney family, and the Buttigieg family?

    nk (1d9030)

  380. Speaking of a climate alarmism:

    1. Have you ever put food in a sealed plastic bag in your freezer, and then thrown it out because weeks later the bag was inflated like a balloon and you thought the food had gone bad?

    2. Have you noticed that the ice cubes left in in ice-trays in your freezer for a long time shrink away to nothing?

    It’s called sublimation. Solids turning into gas without going through a liquid state.

    In the first example, water in the food freezes into ice, then the ice turns into water vapor, but unlike the ice cubes the water vapor cannot not escape into the larger environment, so it achieves a steady cycle of gas and frost evaporating and condensing on the surface of the food and the bag for as long as it’s kept below freezing. You can test it yourselves with an ice cube in a good quality freezer bag, a freezer, and a few weeks’ patience.

    Now think about shrinking ice caps where the temperature never rises above freezing, and whether they’re melting into the sea or being carried off by the wind.

    nk (1d9030)

  381. cannot not

    nk (1d9030)

  382. AlAnon is the counterpart of AA, to provide support to the families of alcoholics.

    That’s making more sense!

    1. Have you ever put food in a sealed plastic bag in your freezer,

    Look at Mr Moneybags with the freezer and the zip-locs and the big brains.

    I’ll stick to being happy I can cover my face wherever I go without anyone calling the cops, enjoying that women no longer recoil in horror until they are much closer and can smell me.

    Dustin (724986)

  383. 392-nk, that’s not implausible, they probably started noticing commonalities in the stories of how a now-“Alphabet” relative got turned that way.

    urbanleftbehind (3e59fb)

  384. This is why “novel” is put before “coronavirus”, because we’re still learning about the nature of it.

    “Wait. I can catch Covid twice?” my 50-year-old patient asked in disbelief. It was the beginning of July, and he had just tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, for a second time — three months after a previous infection.
    While there’s still much we don’t understand about immunity to this new illness, a small but growing number of cases like his suggest the answer is “yes.”

    The patient was tested twice after the first infection and both were negative, so the patient had provably recovered. However, an antibody test was not available, so it’s possible that he had not developed the antibodies (or sufficient antibodies) to resist reinfection. This is why it’s advisable to put on a mask when in close proximity to others.
    And there’s another reason. There are people who had not been previously diagnosed but had taken antibody tests that delivered false positives, and there are lot of tests out there that have been shown to be unacceptably inaccurate. Until the science gets better sorted, caution is the better part of valor.
    Last thing. Those who liken facial coverings to burqas are engaging in ridiculous hyperbole. As defined, a burqa “covers the entire body from the top of the head to the ground, with only a mesh screen allowing the wearer to see in front of her” and is required by religious extremists using spurious Islamic reasoning. A piece of cloth or paper covering nose and mouth for medical and courtesy reasons when in close proximity to others is no comparison. If you refuse to wear a mask, then stay at least six feet away from other human beings who are not immediate family at all times. It’s not about you.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  385. Dustin (724986) — 7/12/2020 @ 8:47 pm

    On the contrary, what we have today IS a consequence of Obama being elected. Look, Trump’s a joke. But Obama had a golden opportunity to heal this country. He elected to take a different path, and this wasn’t some notional imagined choice. This was a real decision he made.

    Had he gone the other way, he would have hurt his own popularity a bit. It also would have been hard work, and required a lot of thinking.

    Every criticism was racism. Every cop was quote Obama “stupid”. The birther movement was a good example. Obama could have snuffed it out of existence, but it was handy to let it consume his opposition.

    He deserves some credit for not exacerbating things.

    Wen it came to the Michael Brown case in Ferguson, Missouri, he made a whole investigation, and then let the liars and misinformed people down as gently as gently as possible. He did it so subtly they didn’t even notice.

    He did two things: He found something else wrong in Ferguson Missouri which wasn’t really so much racism as government of the public employee unions, for the public employee unions and by the public employee unions. (the black population was new, and didn’t vote in municipal elections) He released tat report first. Only then did he release the report on the Michael Brown case.

    https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf

    Based on this investigation, the Department has concluded that Darren Wilson’s actions do not constitute prosecutable violations under the applicable federal criminal civil rights statute, 18 U.S.C. § 242, which prohibits uses of deadly force that are “objectively unreasonable,” as defined by the United States Supreme Court…

    …Although there are several individuals who have stated that Brown held his hands up in
    an unambiguous sign of surrender prior to Wilson shooting him dead, their accounts do not
    support a prosecution of Wilson. As detailed throughout this report, some of those accounts are
    inaccurate because they are inconsistent with the physical and forensic evidence; some of those
    accounts are materially inconsistent with that witness’s own prior statements with no
    explanation, credible for otherwise, as to why those accounts changed over time. Certain other
    witnesses who originally stated Brown had his hands up in surrender recanted their original
    accounts, admitting that they did not witness the shooting or parts of it, despite what they
    initially reported either to federal or local law enforcement or to the media. Prosecutors did not
    rely on those accounts when making a prosecutive decision.

    He rammed through an incredibly powerful change in healthcare. Granted, the GOP didn’t want to work with him, but that was partly because Obama failed to become the uniter I feel he could have been.

    Obama actually avoided a lot of criticism. He did that by avoiding the truth.

    Sammy Finkelman (5c3ef7)

  386. @255

    Ok, in general, but general statistics aren’t all we should care about. For example, in some Texas towns like Houston, the ICUs are filling up or are full. Some short-term adjustments may be needed to reduce the hospitalization rate or we will see higher mortality rates in those places.

    DRJ (aede82) — 7/12/2020 @ 11:15 am

    Just wanted to point something out.

    Most of this isn’t covid19 driven… in normal times, hospital ICU bed census are targeted for 95-98% occupancy. The fact that its “at capacity” really doesn’t tell use much and hospitals are designed to have overflow units.

    whembly (51f28e)

  387. 397. Was it ever established that his first infection was Covid-19?

    It is reasonable to suppose that the first infection was so mild that it didn’t establish antibody or antibody memory. That can happen with vaccines. Sometimes they don’t result in immunity.

    Sammy Finkelman (5c3ef7)

  388. Obama cared somewhat more about some constituencies than others. His base. And he never wanted to disillusion anybody. He tried to make people get along without disillusioning anybody. He mostly succeeded, because there’s not that much appetite for conflict, but he left time bombs ticking. At least for dividing people.

    Sammy Finkelman (5c3ef7)

  389. 401. Both cases were confirmed as CV19, and there was a 3-month lag between #1 and #2. You’re right that the first case could’ve been so mild that antibodies didn’t develop, but like I said about caution and valor.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  390. Did obama improve their job prospects, their security, so in what way did he care sammeh.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  391. Link at mg @387

    So mindless of reality was this momentum that it shoved aside the only medical fact that made any difference, namely, the vulnerability of old, fragile people. Hence, Fauci’s CDC, all keen to free up hospital space, advised state and local health systems to transfer all manner of patients into nursing homes and long-term care facilities.

    I don’t know if this was Fauci, or just Fauci. This happened in Canada, also.

    I think the first mistake was cutting off visitors to nursing homes, who could have alerted people who could do something about it to the problem. Which should have been obvious. It doesn’t matter how much was due to staff infections, and how much to still positive people being put into nursing homes. And Governor Cuomo’s excuse for not sing the Comfort was that that was not part of the agreement with tthe Feds. Well, the agreement could have been changed.

    https://nypost.com/2020/07/07/gov-cuomo-new-yorks-nursing-homes-death-are-on-you-goodwin

    The outrageous claims came in a report released by state Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker, along with hospital administrators. Conveniently, the report they prepared absolves all of them of any responsibility. What a coincidence!

    Coverups don’t get any more brazen. Or less credible.

    The fact remains that Zucker wrote, with obvious hospital ­input, the March 25 order forcing all nursing homes to take people infected with the coronavirus. It ultimately resulted in 6,326 sick patients being transferred from hospitals to nursing homes between March 25 and May 8.

    The homes and other long-term-care facilities were given no warning, advice or help in preparing to receive those patients. There were no inspections to learn whether the facilities had space and staff to segregate COVID patients from the long-term residents, most of whom were especially vulnerable to the virus.

    Gov. Cuomo’s coronavirus nursing home edict not to blame for deaths, report claims
    The order was so flawed that it even blocked the facilities from asking if those being transferred had tested positive for the virus. All those demands run counter to federal recommendations and requirements.

    There seems to be some disagreement as whether the fault lies with Governors or with the federal government.

    Sammy Finkelman (5c3ef7)

  392. 404. narciso (7404b5) — 7/13/2020 @ 8:39 am

    Did obama improve their job prospects, their security, so in what way did he care sammeh.

    He cared about their opinion of him. He cared about not getting criticized by political agitators. In general, he cared about not getting criticized. Not saying anything too controversial, or that could become controversial. But he cared more about some people having negative opinions tan others..

    Sammy Finkelman (5c3ef7)

  393. And the Skins have given in to the leftist mob. Amazing how people claim they don’t have “power,” but their minority opinions are given greater weight than the vast majority.
    The ‘Skins buckled under corporate cash and bad publicity. Their sponsors (notably FedEx) told Snyder that they wanted a change. Also, Snyder wants to tear down RFK stadium in the District and build a new one, and no way was he going to get permission to do so with the ‘Skins name and logo. The “leftist mob” had very little to do with it.

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  394. For instance, it was very important to Obama not to get criticized by any “pro choice” people, although he tried to limit the damage in the eyes of the pro-lifers. By misrepresenting the proposed law, by voting present etc.

    Of course he could never talk about crime in Chicago, either. Except in ways he thought safe from criticism.

    This applied to almost everything.

    Sammy Finkelman (5c3ef7)

  395. The leftist mob affected what corporations did. A lot was the power of secondary and tertiary boycott, and perhaps “protection.”.

    Sammy Finkelman (5c3ef7)

  396. Meaning susan rosenberg who has been wrealing her vengeance through a corporate funded front.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  397. Immunity to Covid-19 could be lost in months, UK study suggests
    …..
    In the first longitudinal study of its kind, scientists analysed the immune response of more than 90 patients and healthcare workers at Guy’s and St Thomas’ NHS foundation trust and found levels of antibodies that can destroy the virus peaked about three weeks after the onset of symptoms then swiftly declined.

    Blood tests revealed that while 60% of people marshalled a “potent” antibody response at the height of their battle with the virus, only 17% retained the same potency three months later. Antibody levels fell as much as 23-fold over the period. In some cases, they became undetectable.
    …..
    Prof Jonathan Heeney, a virologist at the University of Cambridge, said the study confirmed a growing body of evidence that immunity to Covid-19 is short-lived. “Most importantly, it puts another nail in the coffin of the dangerous concept of herd immunity,” he said.

    “I cannot underscore how important it is that the public understands that getting infected by this virus is not a good thing. Some of the public, especially the youth, have become somewhat cavalier about getting infected, thinking that they would contribute to herd immunity. Not only will they place themselves at risk, and others, by getting infected, and losing immunity, they may even put themselves at greater risk of more severe lung disease if they get infected again in the years to come.”
    …….
    (Robin Shattock of Imperial College London) said the study was important and indicated that neutralising antibodies rapidly wane. “This certainly suggests that we cannot be confident natural infection will be protective for a significant proportion of individuals, nor certain of the duration of any protection.”
    ……

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  398. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/07/12/gordon_chang_exiled_scientists_claim_that_china_accidentally_released_covid-19_is_credible.html

    Obvious conclusion. And once it was released, they made sure the rest of the world got it so they wouldn’t be the only one to suffer from it.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  399. Sammy – Fauci has been at this long enough not to be flinging bull schiff.
    He should have been fired years ago.

    mg (8cbc69)

  400. Obama cared somewhat more about some constituencies than others. His base. And he never wanted to disillusion anybody. He tried to make people get along without disillusioning anybody. He mostly succeeded, because there’s not that much appetite for conflict, but he left time bombs ticking. At least for dividing people.

    Sammy Finkelman (5c3ef7) — 7/13/2020 @ 8:34 am

    He was a blank slate. All things to all people. Maybe his pants were creased. Maybe he was going to legalize marijuana.

    But America’s deepest vulnerability is its racial heritage and division. Obama’s whole point was that 2004 speech that suggested he wanted to move forward from MLK. He was uniquely situated to do things Biden would never be able to try, but instead, like you said, he took the easier political path. Trump is a consequence of this. Hell, Hillary being nominated is a pretty scathing indictment of the treading water of his administration on the real political issue of our lives.

    Dustin (724986)

  401. Donald Trump Jr’s new anti-Biden book misplaces apostrophe in title
    …..
    The American president’s son’s forthcoming book, Liberal Privilege, is subtitled “Joe Biden and the Democrat’s Defense of the Indefensible”. Unless Trump Jr is referring to only one Democrat, then the apostrophe needs to shift one place to the right to make the title grammatically correct.
    ……
    According to Axios, Trump Jr is self-publishing the new book as “a shot across the bow” to traditional publishers, and “partnered” on it with the Trump Victory Finance Committee’s chief of staff, Sergio Gor.
    ……
    It may be a “shot across the bow to traditional publishers” but at least they have editors.

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  402. First of all, it’s not an apostrophe it’s a hyphen. That’s what his daddy, Mr. President Donald Trump Sr. calls it, and Donny Jr. should not think he’s any better than his daddy.

    Second, he should get his cliches as well as his grammar straight. Leaving aside the numerous vanity publishers, Amazon has been self-publishing writers for as long as I’ve known Amazon. It’s not a shot across the bow, it’s a shot three miles astern.

    And the real reason he’s self-publishing is because it would never pass a legitimate publisher’s fact check.

    nk (1d9030)

  403. Fauci has been at this long enough not to be flinging bull schiff.
    He should have been fired years ago.

    If Fauci should be fired, it should be for cause, not for the smear campaign the White House launched.

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  404. Roger Stone: The greatest virtue is to lie for Trump.
    Anthony Fauci: The greatest sin is not to lie for Trump.
    Little Marco: He sees no evidence that restaurants contribute to the spread of coronavirus, he only sees Trump’s belly.

    nk (1d9030)

  405. Governor Cuomo gave another press briefing today. They’re not over. While the main point was to announce his quarantine of visitors from other states ($2,000 fine for not filling out form before leaving the airport) he also defended New York’s approach. He said 3 million people came over from Europe early this year, and fooled me once. He said some people from Georgia caused some cases in
    Rensselaer County (across the river from Albany) BTW, they seem to be connected with a nursing home/

    He said that if the president thought his health expert (forgot the exact words) was lying (exact word) he should fire him. That’s what he would do. (not correct, because he hasn’t. That;s because he”s telling lies Cuomo wants – mean about blame)

    Sammy Finkelman (c54485)

  406. Breaking on Bloomberg News from Politico: Governor Newsome of California just announced, via streaming video, that all counties in California must close indoor shopping – also churches.

    Sammy Finkelman (c54485)

  407. How totally unexpected! And by that I mean totally expected. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/media/mary-trump-temporary-restraining-order-lifted/index.html

    Not that I’ll read it, with Shakespeare’s Gay Boys In Bondage already in the mail.

    nk (1d9030)

  408. Frm Joe Biden;s climate speech, July 14:

    Joe Biden: (07:44)

    When Donald Trump thinks about climate change, the only word he can muster is hoax. When I think about climate change, the word I think of is jobs, good paying union jobs that will put Americans to work, making the air cleaner for our kids to breathe, restoring our crumbling roads, and bridges, and ports, making it faster, cheaper, and cleaner to transport American made goods all across the country and around the world. Jobs.

    Donald Trump calling it a hoax (if that is what he did) at least has the virtue of not being utter nonsense.

    Clean air? The chief “pollutant” in AGW is carbon dioside! Although coal is considered very bad.

    Sammy Finkelman (5818f3)

  409. Mary Trump wrote that Donald Trump paid someone else to take the SAT test for him (not his father but Donald Trump himself!?) in order to increase his chances of getting admitted/transferring into Wharton.

    She gave the name of the boy as Joe Shapiro.

    Joe Shapiro is dead, but his widow is alive and she says they didn’t know each other until after Donald Trump was at Wharton.

    Mary Trump says she was told this by a member of the family whose name she wouldn’t divulge.

    Now she says it was a different Joe Shapiro. (apparently not further identified)

    This allegation, that someone else took an SAT test for, has not come up before.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ea6b3)

  410. Inside Edition cotacted three former classmates of Donald Trump at his military school. They say it woluld have been impossible for someone else to take his SAT test there. It was a closed group. Teachers checked everyone who went in. One says he knows Donald Trump was there (the day they took the SAT test) and not somebody else pretending to be Donald Trump.

    This was in 1964.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ea6b3)

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