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7/4/2020

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:28 am



[guest post by Dana]

Here are a few news items for you to chew over. Feel free to post anything that you found interesting this week. Please make sure to include links

First news item

California bans making a joyful noise in places of worship:

The state, to curb a rapidly worsening pandemic, has temporarily banned singing and chanting in places of worship.

“Practices and performances present an increased likelihood for transmission of COVID-19 through contaminated exhaled droplets and should occur through alternative methods like internet streaming,” the state’s Department of Public Health announced in an order Wednesday.

Singing at services has proven to be one way to spread a virus, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The agency studied how coronavirus spread from one member to 87% of the singers at a Washington choir practice and said in a report:

“The act of singing, itself, might have contributed to transmission through emission of aerosols, which is affected by loudness of vocalization.”

Second news item

Trump from Mt. Rushmore, after noting accomplishments of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Roosevelt.:

No movement that seeks to dismantle these treasured American legacies can possibly have a love of America at its heart. Can’t happen. No person who remains quiet at the destruction of this resplendent heritage can possibly lead us to a better future. The radical ideology attacking our country advances under the banner of social justice, but in truth, it would demolish both justice and society. It would transform justice into an instrument of division and vengeance and it would turn our free and inclusive society into a place of a repression, domination, and exclusion. They want to silence us, but we will not be silenced.

Third news item

Trump announces executive order on monuments:

So today, under the authority vested in me as President of the United States, I am announcing the creation of a new monument to the giants of our past. I am signing an executive order to establish the National Guard of American heroes, a vast outdoor park that will feature the statues of the greatest Americans to ever live.

Said EO to include statues of: John Adams, Susan B. Anthony, Clara Barton, Daniel Boone, Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, Henry Clay, Davy Crockett, Frederick Douglass, Amelia Earhart, Benjamin Franklin, Billy Graham, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, MLK, Lincoln, Douglas MacArthur, Dolly Madison, James Madison, Christa McAuliffe, Audie Murphy, George S. Patton, Jr., Reagan, Jackie Robinson, Betsy Ross, Antonin Scalia, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Harriet Tubman, Booker T. Washington, George Washington and the Wright brothers.

Fourth news item

SMDH: Mississippi election commissioner claims she was just trying to get everybody to vote:

A social media comment with racial undertones made by a Mississippi election commissioner sparked outrage across the state on the same weekend state legislators voted to retire the flag and its Confederate emblem.

“I’m concerned about voter registration in Mississippi,” the commissioner wrote. “The blacks are having lots (of) events for voter registration. People in Mississippi have to get involved, too.”

Fifth news item

Saying goodbye:

No Hong Konger is under the illusion that Beijing has any intention to respect our basic rights and honor its promises to us. Mass arrests have already begun on the first day of the National Security Law’s implementation.
2. At the @HouseForeign hearing yesterday, I spoke about the regime’s lawlessness in hopes that the world would not forget about what’s going on in Hong Kong. Of course, I knew my speech and appearance would put my own safety in serious jeopardy given the circumstances.
3. The international front is what Hong Kongers must still defend — in parallel to street activism — even as the risk of doing so locally are now immeasurably high. Multiple articles of the new NSL target this kind of work I have undertaken for years.
4. As a global-facing activist, the choices I have are stark: to stay silent from now on, or to keep engaging in private diplomacy so I can warn the world of the threat of Chinese authoritarian expansion. I made the decision when I agreed to testify before the US Congress.
5. There was a lot to consider, including what can be said and what must be kept secret, with my own wellbeing and that of others always in mind. Making this announcement isn’t easier either, and my responsibilities will only get heavier down the road.
6. I thank my friends for their understanding, and I apologize for the ambiguities when it comes to my personal information. Criticisms ahead of me will stem not only from misunderstanding, disheartenment, and anxieties, but also ill intentions. These are all mine to face.
7. But one shall never walk alone on the right path. The July 1 crowds show once again that the fire of Hong Kongers’ determination will not be easily extinguished. We must sustain our resistance on all fronts.
8. So I bade my city farewell. As the plane took off the runway, I gazed down at the skyline I love so much for one last time. Should I have the fortune to ever return, I hope to still remain as I am: the same young man with these same beliefs. Glory to Hong Kong.

Sixth news item

Under pressure:

The Washington Redskins are likely to change their name, a source told ESPN’s Adam Schefter, after the team announced Friday it will “undergo a thorough review” of the nickname amid renewed pressure.

“In light of recent events around our country and feedback from our community, the Washington Redskins are announcing the team will undergo a thorough review of the team’s name. This review formalizes the initial discussions the team has been having with the league in recent weeks,” the statement said.

Seventh news item

Borders, Covid, and the United States:

The Northern Mexican state of Sonora — which borders Arizona and a small portion of New Mexico — is toughening border restrictions this weekend as both regions experience a surge in coronavirus cases.

In anticipation of the Fourth of July weekend, the state government announced plans to place filters at Sonora’s main border cities to turn back tourists and those traveling for nonessential purposes.

“We are all going to be on alert at this time to prevent them from coming, whether they are Mexicans living in the U.S., Americans or those who want to come to spend the weekend and put a greater burden on us regarding COVID,” Sonora Gov. Claudia Pavlovich said in a statement to the Arizona Daily Star.

England singles out U.S. visitors for two week quarantine upon arrival:

England will drop its mandatory 14-day quarantine for visitors from more than 50 countries but leave the restrictions in place for travelers coming from the United States…

Eighth news item

Dershowitz:

Ghislaine should be allowed out on bail, she’s not dangerous. … Maybe subject to house detention and monitoring.

He wants us to keep an open mind about her.

Have a good weekend.

–Dana

454 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. All of the Weekend Open Thread headlines summed up:

    America — 1776 – ????

    Gryph (08c844)

  2. https://therightscoop.com/watch-live-president-trump-celebrates-the-4th-of-july-at-mount-rushmore/

    Here’s President Trump’s full speech from Mt. Rushmore for those who are looking for it.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  3. I thoroughly approve of the second item. It is awesomely hypocritical, but hypocrisy is a huge step up for Trump, whose usual habit is to be brazen and defiant in his malfeasance.

    nk (1d9030)

  4. A monument to Billy Graham?

    Davethulhu (f33f98)

  5. Notice how the left never stops with their indoctrination or their pressure to change things to fit their neuroses. The Redskins name has never been an issue, had ambivalence or approval from native Americans, but that didn’t stop the left from attacking over and over again. You must submit to their domination.

    I just went on Walmart’s site out of curiosity and they have every NFL team’s merchandise available except for the Redskins. Go to the NFL’s site or Fanatics and almost all their merchandise is limited stock.

    This isn’t about a name. It’s about control.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  6. NJRob,

    The links I provided in the post contain the full transcript as well.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  7. Why is my comment in moderation?

    Redskins.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  8. Dana. You have got to be kidding me. The Washington football team’s name just put 2 of my comments in moderation.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  9. This is clearly Newspeak in action.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  10. Yeah, I’m not sold on the monument to Billy Graham, especially it being paid for with taxpayer money.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  11. Item three will go nowhere. It’s all lies and bluster. He has neither the authority nor the money. Classic Trump.

    nk (1d9030)

  12. I just released them, NJRob. (Note: I did not put them in moderation.)

    Dana (25e0dc)

  13. Thank you Dana. I figure that’s disqus in action trying to equate the Redskins name with actual vulgar language. Truly insidious.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  14. Thank you Dana. It appears it’s disqus way of mind control and trying to manipulate people to not use the team name and equate it with vulgar speech. That’s insidious.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  15. Donald Trump is the king of cancel culture
    ……. Donald Trump has embraced “cancel culture” his entire life. I cannot think of another politician, or public figure, who has spent more time trying to “cancel” critics than the thin-skinned former reality TV star in the Oval Office. Over the years, Trump has called for the boycott of leading U.S. brands such as Macy’s, Apple, and Harley Davidson, among others, because they displeased him in one way or another. He forces those around him into nondisclosure agreements and then threatens them with legal action if they dare speak out against him — including his own niece Mary, whose forthcoming tell-all book the president is desperately trying to … cancel.

    ……..[S]ince he came into office, a period that has found him publicly and repeatedly trying to cancel both social media companies (“We will strongly regulate, or close them down”) and network news channels (“Challenge their license?”) while calling for prominent journalists who have upset him, such as Chuck Todd and Jemele Hill, to be fired. …….
    …….
    Trump’s interest in silencing his opponents — the very thing cancel culture’s conservative critics decry — is more pronounced when he’s targeting members of his own political party……..
    ……..
    Even loyalists aren’t safe from a potential cancellation. After Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), “the Trumpiest congressman in Trump’s Washington,” voted in favor of limiting Trump’s authority to start a conflict with Iran, in January, a White House official told The Washington Post that it was “quite unwise” for him to have cast such a vote and “added that White House officials would not be returning Gaetz’s phone calls, text messages, ‘smoke signals or his kneelings in the snow.’”
    …….
    ……. White House officials asked “the U.S. Navy to move ‘out of sight’ the warship USS John S. McCain ahead of President Trump’s visit to Japan,” according to the Wall Street Journal in May 2019. (The ship was named after the father and grandfather of the late Republican senator — so much for Trump standing against the “erasing of our history”!)

    While Trump has taken “cancel culture” to new and authoritarian heights, the conservative moment as a whole has spent years loudly withdrawing support for those deemed “objectionable or offensive.” The Republican National Committee boycotted MSNBC and even the conservative National Review. A conservative group tried to boycott Burger King and Kit Kat for (what it claimed) were offensive ads. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) tried to cancel Nike and the NFL. Fox News fans tried to cancel Keurig by smashing the company’s coffee machines. Right-wing pundit Erick Erickson tried to cancel the New York Times — by shooting bullets into a copy of it!
    ………
    …….. Donald Trump and the Republican Party have never stood against “cancel culture.” To the contrary, they embody it.

    Rip Murdock (87951e)

  16. The Redskins name has never been an issue

    March 29, 1972, NJRob. That’s when Native Americans approached then-Redskins owner to change the name:

    A delegation of Native American leaders meets with Redskins President Edward Bennett Williams and urges him to change the team’s name. The team soon tweaks its fight song’s lyrics — most notably, replacing “Scalp ’um” with “Beat ’em” — and scraps its cheerleaders’ black-braided wigs.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  17. In the ‘80s the best time to go shopping will everyone else was watching a Washington Red….. game. Now, not so much.

    Rip Murdock (87951e)

  18. Cleveland Indians to ‘determine the best path forward’ for team name
    ……..
    Nothing has been decided, but the Indians’ decision to at least discuss the possibility of a name change is new. There will certainly be backlash from some Cleveland fans, but the team is sensitive to the importance of doing the right thing in these changing times.
    ………
    May be Trump will issue an EO preventing name changes….

    Rip Murdock (87951e)

  19. Next it’ll be the Blackhawks, then the Indians, then Braves, Seminoles ….

    This train never stops. The skins will have to change their city name too eventually.

    beer ‘n pretzels (ddfa85)

  20. Tucker Carlson 2024? The GOP is buzzing
    ……..
    Republican strategists, conservative commentators, and former Trump campaign and administration officials are buzzing about Carlson as the next-generation leader of Donald Trump’s movement — with many believing he would be an immediate frontrunner in a Republican primary.
    ……..
    While practically every Republican eyeing a 2024 presidential run is professing loyalty to Trump the person, Carlson has become perhaps the highest-profile proponent of “Trumpism” — a blend of anti-immigrant nationalism, economic populism and America First isolationism that he articulates unapologetically and with some snark. At the same time, he’s shown a rare willingness among Republicans to bluntly criticize Trump when he believes the president is straying from that ideology.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (87951e)

  21. Thank you Dana. It appears it’s disqus way of mind control and trying to manipulate people to not use the team name and equate it with vulgar speech. That’s insidious.

    It always has been an insulting term, except in connection with the football team. No different from wop or a few dozen other insulting ethnic terms. Why shouldn’t it be replaced?

    Kishnevi (7744ad)

  22. Alan Dershowitz:
    The Ghislaine Maxwell I know
    My wife and I were introduced to Ghislaine Maxwell by Sir Evelyn and Lady Lynne de Rothschild, and we subsequently met her on several occasions ……. We never saw her do anything inappropriate. We knew her only as Jeffrey Epstein’s thirty-something girlfriend.

    Now she stands accused of serious crimes allegedly committed a quarter of a century ago. Like every other arrested person, she must be presumed innocent. Many in the public however, will presume her guilty because of the portrayal of her in the Netflix series about Jeffrey Epstein. But no one should believe anything they saw in that series, because it was based largely on the accounts of two women with histories of making dubious accusations.
    ………
    So everyone should keep an open mind about Maxwell as they should about others who have been accused by Epstein’s alleged victims. The truth-testing mechanisms of cross-examination and confrontation must be employed against these witnesses, as they are against other accusers. Only after a full trial, in which both sides are presented should reasonable people come to conclusions about Ghislaine Maxwell.
    ………
    You don’t need to see a Netflix doc. Read the indictment. You’ll need a shower afterwards.

    Rip Murdock (87951e)

  23. As much as Dershowitz may try to minimize his connection to Maxwell and Epstein, he was part of their inner circle, regardless of whether his tastes also ran to adolescent girls as has been alleged or not. He is a dirty little creep and enabler of dirty big creeps any way you slice it.

    nk (1d9030)

  24. You don’t need to see a Netflix doc. Read the indictment. You’ll need a shower afterwards.

    He already has. Twelve years ago. Did I say 12 years ago? Yes, I did. He was Epstein’s attorney in the sweetheart deal in Florida in 2008, which is also claimed to include immunity for Maxwell.

    nk (1d9030)

  25. Where’s mg? mg, what are the odds in Vegas that Mossad will break Maxwell out before she reaches the federal prison in Manhattan?

    nk (1d9030)

  26. Yeah, I’m not sold on the monument to Billy Graham, especially it being paid for with taxpayer money.

    And Scalia, but not Thurgood Marshall?

    That’s definitely gonna fly.

    Dave (1bb933)

  27. Christa McAuliffe

    I like astronauts who don’t get blown up.

    Dave (1bb933)

  28. Amelia Earhart

    I like pilots who don’t crash.

    Dave (1bb933)

  29. Revisiting another Rule of Law case and the impact it has had on one platoon:

    For the forgotten men of 1st Platoon, Trump’s pardon of an officer they helped convict of murder is a crushing betrayal

    Only a few hours had passed since President Donald Trump pardoned 1st Lt. Clint Lorance and the men of 1st Platoon were still trying to make sense of how it was even possible.

    How could a man they blamed for ruining their lives, an officer the Army convicted of second-degree murder and other charges, be forgiven so easily? How could their president allow him to just walk free?

    DRJ (aede82)

  30. NPR Reads The Declaration Of Independence
    NPR has broadcast the reading for 31 years. Never gets old.

    Rip Murdock (87951e)

  31. Dolly Madison-Will include her cakes?

    Booker T. Washington-not the MG’s?

    Rip Murdock (87951e)

  32. Kishnevi, since we are discussing the football team, the rest is a distraction. It isn’t insulting when discussing the team. That’s all that matters. It’s pure control.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  33. Eric Trump Deletes Tweet of Bill Clinton With Ghislaine Maxwell After Twitter Buries Him With Photos of Her With His Father
    Eric Trump tweeted, and then deleted, a photo of former President Bill Clinton with Jeffrey Epstein‘s alleged partner-in-crime Ghislaine Maxwell, after Twitter users buried him in a deluge of photos of Maxwell appearing very chummy with his father, President Donald Trump.
    …….
    So when Eric Trump tweeted that photo with Maxwell in the background attempting to kick some mud on Clinton, Twitter users responded seemingly instantaneously, posting photo after photo showing Maxwell — and often Epstein too — far more cozy with the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
    ……..
    [Eric] Trump’s tweet was especially ill-advised considering that photos of Maxwell and Epstein with the President and First Lady Melania Trump had been circulating all day on Twitter…….
    ……..
    Saturday Night Live has mocked Eric Trump for several years as the “dumb one” among the two eldest Trump brothers. He worked very hard this week to prove them right.
    —————
    The response tweets are priceless. Comedy gold!

    Rip Murdock (87951e)

  34. NJRob-
    Would you have the same complaint Christian churches organized a boycott of the New Jersey Devils to force a name change?

    Rip Murdock (87951e)

  35. The full breakdown of Trump’s list:

    Politicians: 9 (I’ve counted politicians who were also soldiers as politicians)
    Soldiers: 6
    Activists: 4
    Aviator/Astronaut: 2
    Inventors: 2 (counting the Wright Brothers as one)
    Jurist: 1
    Writer: 1
    Nurse: 1
    Clergy: 1
    Socialite: 1
    Upholsterer: 1 (the legend involving Betsy Ross and the flag is based solely on a story her relatives started telling in 1870, with no archival or other evidence to support it)

    Dave (1bb933)

  36. Robert Costa [Washington Post]
    @costareports

    President Trump’s unyielding push to preserve Confederate symbols and the legacy of white domination was crystallized by his harsh denunciation of the racial justice movement Friday night at Mount Rushmore.
    __ _

    Andy Lancaster
    @andylancaster

    Like Trump or not, this is a lie

    _ _

    (((AG)))
    @AGHamilton29
    ·
    This is vile. I’ve read that speech 4 times. It explicitly and repeatedly rejected racial divisions. It didn’t once refer to confederate symbols.Trying to portray a defense of American ideals this way isn’t an insult to Trump, it’s an insult to Americans who hold those beliefs…..

    …… Here was WaPo’s description vs the actual speech.

    They randomly took words without context and assigned them as descriptors “racial justice protesters” when those descriptions weren’t even referring to protests.

    https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1279465429317095424?s=20
    __ _

    Bob Mann
    @BobMann2001
    ·
    I think it is called giving your
    [WaPo] audience what they want.
    __

    _

    harkin (5af287)

  37. It isn’t insulting when discussing the team.

    But it is insulting to any number of American Indians.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  38. Kishnevi, since we are discussing the football team, the rest is a distraction. It isn’t insulting when discussing the team. That’s all that matters. It’s pure control.

    So you would not care if there was a team named the Washington Wops or the Detroit Dagos? I mean, it’s only a team name.

    Kishnevi (64dd45)

  39. Great speech by Trump. All the MSM stories on it, seem to have been written by Joe Biden’s campaign manager and gone out under different names.

    As for the “Redskins” – hard to care anymore. NFL & NBA are anti-American, unpatriotic, amoral sports monopolies out for $$. Why not just rename them the “Anything for a buck” Football Team? The reality is these teams are simply based in whatever city the owner thinks will get them the most $$. The players only play for $$ and will leave to another team when they can get more $$$. Its all about greenbacks, and has no more to do with “true sport” and “love of the game” than prostitution has to do with love. I’ve noticed my local sports station, in between giving us ludicrous CV-19 pronouncements and opinions, is talking about how the “lines” and the “Spreads” for the upcoming games. How appropriate that the NBA/NFL would devolve into an entertainment for gamblers and sports obsessives too lazy to change the channel.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  40. 36. So our yardstick for setting policy is who feels insulted? How would changing the name of the Washington football team improve the lives of Native Americans in any way shape or form beyond simply making them feel better?

    Gryph (08c844)

  41. “ About the Declaration there is a finality that is exceedingly restful. It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern.

    But that reasoning can not be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions.

    If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.

    Calvin Cooledge – 1926
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  42. Whoops ‘Coolidge
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  43. beyond simply making them feel better?

    Why isn’t that enough?

    Native Americans (like African Americans) were treated disgracefully in the past. We can’t change that, but we can stop rubbing their noses in it by tolerating and preserving symbols rooted in those past abuses.

    Dave (1bb933)

  44. The other thing sports radio does these days is talk about Hollywood and Music. Its quite odd when a sports host will stop talking about Pro Football & suddenly turn into a teenage girl twittering about the latest boys band. Or jabber with his co-host about whether Die Hard is a Christmas Movie. I’m looking forward to baseball starting so I can listen to it on the radio when driving around and not listen to the sports chat.

    BTW, my previous comment is in moderation. Is that because I used the name of the Washington Y’know who’s? Or just because i was too conservative?

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  45. Ok, well that comment got published. Wonder what that was all about?

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  46. DePaul University Blue Demons.

    DePaul University is a private Catholic research university in Chicago, Illinois. Founded by the Vincentians in 1898, the university takes its name from the 17th-century French priest Saint Vincent de Paul. In 1998, it became the largest Catholic university by enrollment in the United States.

    nk (1d9030)

  47. Ben Franklin when asked by maid what form of Government the Constitutional convention has provided the country, replied “A Republic – If you can Keep it”. Given the shocking sheep like behavior over the CV-19 outbreak and the riots and statue toppling, it looks like we’re not keeping it. And most are A-0K with that. I thought their love of $$$ was the reason for the average Americans apathy in the face of this soft tyranny, but even losing their businesses and jobs, won’t rouse them to any action.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  48. Back to the real world. Happy 4th of July to my fellow Americans.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  49. 42. Yeah, and my Irish and German ancestors were treated disgracefully in the past. Does that mean we can formulate policy based on what makes *me* feel better, or is that not for whitey?

    I must admit, my interest in football is so tepid, my position on this particular topic amounts to playing devil’s advocate. But I do think there are far more substantive ways that Native Americans can improve their lives that don’t involve blaming whitey at all.

    Gryph (08c844)

  50. 46. RC, Columbia, the Gem of the Ocean has been dead for longer than I’ve been alive. There’s just no one introspective and honest enough to do a real post-mortem yet.

    Gryph (08c844)

  51. NJRob-
    Would you have the same complaint Christian churches organized a boycott of the New Jersey Devils to force a name change?

    Rip Murdock (87951e) — 7/4/2020 @ 10:34 am

    Yes, I’d think it was stupid. Much in the same way. The NJ Devils are named after a NJ urban legend and not to insult Christians. The Skins are named to honor a coach and retain their logo, not to insult any native tribes. That’s why they stopped polling non-activist groups. It didn’t bother local tribal affiliations.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  52. We can’t change that, but we can stop rubbing their noses in it by tolerating and preserving symbols rooted in those past abuses.

    We can’t apparently come up with solutions other than window dressing either.

    After all the statues are toppled, team names changed and every CEO hash tags #BLM, we might have to come up with concrete solutions once we’re shocked this sort of box checking doesn’t make a dent in the problem.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7b79e1)

  53. But it is insulting to any number of American Indians.

    Dana (25e0dc) — 7/4/2020 @ 10:40 am

    Not according to polling that isn’t a push poll. Most feel a sense of pride. But if you want to push those who forever claim the mantle of victim, go ahead.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  54. But on the bright side, I’m glad I got rid of my cable bill as I’d rather starve the beast and let these virtue signalling fools burn their money.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  55. 53. You’ll eventually end up getting rid of your streaming services as well if you really want to starve the beast. Before you know it, there will be so many of them you’ll end up paying for streaming services a la carte and it’ll start looking like a cable bill again.

    Gryph (08c844)

  56. The Cleveland Indians were the Spiders before being renamed in honor of Louis Sockalexis, a outfielder of Penobscot Indian who’s promising career was cut short by a fall from a hotel balcony after a night of carousing. The franchise has done all it could to minimize Chief Wahoo and as long as Lane Tech High School stays the Indians, so should the Ckeveland American League franchise.

    I do like Chief Noc-a-Homa (Braves) as a sort of guilty pleasure.

    urbanleftbehind (a2d738)

  57. Ugh. Dana, could you remove that from moderation since citing the poll from the Washington Post has “the team that shall not be named” in the link thanks to our newspeak.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  58. Got rid of 30/month Sling “Woke” (the package with the Turner products not Fox) after realizing I was only watching 2 of the channels.

    urbanleftbehind (a2d738)

  59. @#36, The problem is that most polls of Native Americans show that as many as 90% (Washington Post 2016) are NOT insulted by the name of the Washington team (avoiding the filter trap that ensnared me last month when I predicted this). That’s a lot of indifference by a group that is supposedly suffering under a negative stereotype. The team name is celebrating a fighting spirit, toughness, resilience, and a warrior ethos. Aren’t these…in the context of sport….a good thing? This seems exaggerated sensitivity….and the fact that major corporations are freezing out merchandise to virtue signal…is a bit concerning….because it’s not clear on what basis it’s being made. If 90% of Native Americans don’t care, why the heck does FedEx and Walmart care so much?

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  60. I thought their love of $$$ was the reason for the average Americans apathy in the face of this soft tyranny, but even losing their businesses and jobs, won’t rouse them to any action.

    rcocean (fcc23e) — 7/4/2020 @ 11:07 am

    Weird argument. So greed is bad except if it helps?

    But yeah. You’ve got people still defending Benedict Donald, knowing full well what he did to betray us. So not the republic’s finest hour.

    –Testing if the filter blocks the word “redskins”.

    Dustin (b62cc4)

  61. Florida breaks coronavirus record with over 11K new cases reported in one day
    …….
    The positivity rate for new cases was 14%, slightly lower than the highest reported rate during the past two weeks. That came June 23, when 16% of new cases tested positive.
    …….
    The death toll is now 3,702, which includes 18 new fatalities reported Saturday. With 101 additional deaths from non-Florida residents, the toll is 3,803.
    …….
    “I don’t think anyone predicted a Sun Belt resurgence in mid-June, but we had the infrastructure in place,” (Gov.) DeSantis said.

    But officials across the state are concerned the spike in cases will overwhelm hospitals.

    Larry Antonucci, CEO of the Lee County healthcare system, said the curve is no longer flat, Southwest Florida’s WBBH/WZVN-NBC2 reported.
    …….
    The daily median age for positive cases in the past two weeks ranges between 33 and 37.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (87951e)

  62. Dustin,

    That comment did get held up in the filter but I do not know why.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  63. One of the more ridiculous ‘woke’ moments of the past week was chess blogger agadmator having his podcast shut down by youtube for being ‘harmful and dangerous’ with ‘no appeal‘ for apparently saying something like:

    White is clearly better here”

    which he has said hundreds of times referring to both Black & White while reviewing games.
    __ _

    Luckily his following is large enough that someone who knew someone at youtube explained the a$$-hattery.

    But it does make you wonder how many not-so-famous people out there have been canceled not just for saying something the mob understands but doesn’t want seen, but for saying something they don’t even understand.
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  64. If 90% of Native Americans don’t care, why the heck does FedEx and Walmart care so much?

    You left out Nike who, once the new logo is settled on, will get their legions of slave labor to work on it in time for the season start.

    And, who cares what Native Americans think. Whites are the target demographic, as we’ve always been. We want to feel good about ourselves, not solve problems.

    beer ‘n pretzels (4d3c08)

  65. With regard to COVID-19, Walt Kelly had it right when he wrote “We have met the enemy and he is us.”

    John B Boddie (f44786)

  66. Public’s Mood Turns Grim; Trump Trails Biden on Most Personal Traits, Major Issues
    With less than five months until the 2020 elections, Americans are deeply unhappy with the state of the nation….
    …….
    Anger and fear are widespread. Majorities of Democrats and Republicans say they feel both sentiments when thinking about the country, though these feelings are more prevalent among Democrats…….
    ……..
    In the presidential contest, Donald Trump faces a 10 percentage point deficit in his race against Joe Biden: 54% of registered voters say if the election were held today, they would support Biden or lean toward voting for him, while 44% support Trump or lean toward supporting him.
    …….
    Table: Biden’s strengths: even-tempered, good role model, empathetic, honest; Trump widely viewed as energetic
    …….
    Table: Trump draws more confidence on economy than on coronavirus or race
    …….
    Trump gets his lowest rating – among six issues and challenges included in the survey – on bringing the country closer together. Only about three-in-ten voters (31%) are very or somewhat confident in Trump to unify the country……
    ……..
    Currently, 39% of Americans approve of how Trump is handling his job as president, while 59% disapprove. Trump’s job rating has fallen from 44% in April; it stood at 45% in March.
    ………
    Just 12% of Americans say they are satisfied with the way things are going in this country today – a 19 percentage point decline in national satisfaction since April and lower than at any previous point in Trump’s presidency. Nearly nine-in-ten (87%) now say they are dissatisfied with the way things are going.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (87951e)

  67. Trump’s “vast outdoor park that will feature the statues of the greatest Americans to ever live” is just more Pavlovian stimulus/response conditioning for his cultists and proof of how completely out of touch with reality he is in the midst of a raging pandemic and depression.

    Imagine FDR issuing an EO to establish a Smithsonian museum of baseball while the second wave of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was still underway…

    Dave (1bb933)

  68. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jeff-reynolds/2020/06/26/california-legislature-votes-to-allow-discrimination-by-race-gender-national-origin-n580259

    California legislature votes to support racism: discrimination based on race, sex, national origin.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  69. Imagine FDR issuing an EO to establish a Smithsonian museum of baseball while the second wave of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was still underway…

    I can totally imagine FDR ordering non-mask wearers into concentration camps.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7b79e1)

  70. Trump’s “vast outdoor park that will feature the statues of the greatest Americans to ever live” is just more Pavlovian stimulus/response conditioning for his cultists and proof of how completely out of touch with reality he is in the midst of a raging pandemic and depression

    It’s also not a thing that is going to happen. It’s purely a fantasy for the idiot class that will at no point exist.

    Trump could always spend his own money and put some up on his back yard. Does he actually have a house with a yard, or are they all “residences” like Mar A Lago that are are hotels, or “clubs” where he can make other people pay for it?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  71. The Washington Warrens
    The Cleveland Burning River

    mg (8cbc69)

  72. California legislature votes to support racism: discrimination based on race, sex, national origin.

    Whereas it might not be my idea of a good idea, isn’t the same as they lie that PJMedia and you say, weeerrrd, why would that be?

    WHEREAS, Equal opportunity is deeply rooted in the American ideals of fairness, justice, and equality. Programs to meet the goals of equal opportunity seek to realize these basic values. Equal opportunity not only helps individuals, but also helps communities in need and benefits our larger society. California’s equal opportunity program was upended by the passage of Proposition 209 in 1996; and
    WHEREAS, Proposition 209, entitled the California Civil Rights Initiative, amended Article I of the California Constitution to prohibit race- and gender-conscious remedies to rectify the underutilization of women and people of color in public employment, as well as public contracting and education; and
    WHEREAS, Proposition 209 invalidated a series of laws that had been enacted by the California Legislature over the 20 years prior to it that required state agencies to eliminate traditional patterns of segregation and exclusion in the workforce, to increase the representation of women and minorities in the state service by identifying jobs for which their employment was underrepresented due to discrimination, and to develop action plans to remedy such underrepresentation without effectuating quota systems; and
    WHEREAS, Proposition 209 also overshadowed other landmark civil rights and antidiscrimination laws. In 1959, after a 37-year campaign by labor and civil rights groups, the Unruh Civil Rights Act was passed, which was the forerunner of the Civil Rights Act of 1964; and
    WHEREAS, As a result of the passage of Proposition 209, women and people of color continue to face discrimination and disparity in opportunities to participate in numerous forms of association and work that are crucial to the development of talents and capabilities that enable people to contribute meaningfully to, and benefit from, the collective possibilities of national life; and
    WHEREAS, The State of California has provided employment opportunities for people of color and women of all races. However, lingering, and even increasing, disparity still exists, particularly for Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, Black Americans, Latino Americans, Native Americans, and women, and should be rectified; and
    WHEREAS, Proposition 209 has impeded California’s continuing interest in supporting the equal participation of women in the workforce and in public works projects, in addressing the historical and present manifestations of gender bias, and in promulgating policies to enforce antidiscrimination in the workplace and on public projects; and
    WHEREAS, In the wake of Proposition 209, California saw stark workforce diversity reductions for people of color and women in public contracting and in public education. Studies show that more diverse workforces perform better financially and are significantly more productive and focused; and
    WHEREAS, Since the passage of Proposition 209, the state’s minority-owned and women-owned business enterprise programs have been decimated. A 2016 study conservatively estimates that the implementation of Proposition 209 cost women and people of color over $1,000,000,000 annually in lost contract awards. Most procurement and subcontracting processes remain effectively closed to these groups due to the changes brought on by Proposition 209; and
    WHEREAS, Women are vastly underrepresented among firms receiving public contracts and the dollars awarded to certified women-owned business enterprises fell by roughly 40 percent, compared to levels before Proposition 209. In addition, only one-third of certified minority business enterprises in California’s transportation construction industry are still in operation today, compared to 20 years ago; and
    WHEREAS, Women, particularly women of color, continue to face unequal pay for equal work. White women are paid 80 cents to every dollar paid to white men doing the same work. Black women are paid 60 cents for every dollar paid to white men doing the same work and would theoretically have to work an extra seven months every year to overcome that differential. This persistent gender wage gap continues to harm women, their families, and communities; and
    WHEREAS, Despite a booming economy with almost full employment, a persistent racial wealth gap remains rooted in income inequality. Improving minority access to educational and labor market opportunity reduces the wealth gap and strengthens the economy; and
    WHEREAS, Proposition 209 has had a devastating impact on minority equal opportunity and access to California’s publicly funded institutions of higher education. This violates the spirit of the California Master Plan for Higher Education by making it more difficult for many students to obtain an affordable and accessible high quality public education. While federal law allows schools to use race as a factor when making admissions decisions, California universities are prohibited by Proposition 209 from engaging in targeted outreach and extra efforts to matriculate high-performing minority students. This reduces the graduation rates of students of color and, in turn, contributes to the diminution of the “pipeline” of candidates of color for faculty positions; and
    WHEREAS, Since the passage of Proposition 209, diversity within public educational institutions has been stymied. Proposition 209 instigated a dramatic change in admissions policy at the University of California, with underrepresented group enrollment at the Berkeley and Los Angeles campuses of the University of California immediately falling by more than 60 percent and systemwide underrepresented group enrollment falling by at least 12 percent. Underrepresented group high school graduates faced substantial long-term declines in educational and employment outcomes as a result of these changes; and
    WHEREAS, Among California high school graduates who apply to the University of California, passage of Proposition 209 has led to a decreased likelihood of earning a college degree within six years, a decreased likelihood of ever earning a graduate degree, and long-run declines in average wages and the likelihood of earning high wages measured by California standards. The University of California has never recovered the same level of diversity that it had before the loss of affirmative action nearly 20 years ago, a level that, at the time, was widely considered to be inadequate to meet the needs of the state and its young people because it did not achieve parity with the state’s ethnic demographics; and
    WHEREAS, The importance of diversity in educational settings cannot be overstated. The Supreme Court of the United States outlined the benefits that arise from diversity, as follows, “the destruction of stereotypes, the promotion of cross-racial understanding, the preparation of a student body for an increasingly diverse workforce and society, and the cultivation of a set of leaders with legitimacy in the eyes of the citizenry”; and
    WHEREAS, Federal courts continue to reaffirm the value of diversity in favor of race conscious admissions, as exemplified by United States District Judge Allison D. Burroughs who stated, “race conscious admissions programs that survive strict scrutiny have an important place in society and help ensure that colleges and universities can offer a diverse atmosphere that fosters learning, improves scholarship, and encourages mutual respect and understanding. Further, Judge Burroughs recognized that there are no race-neutral alternatives that would allow a university to achieve an adequately diverse student body while still perpetuating its standards for academic and other forms of excellence; and
    WHEREAS, It is the intent of the Legislature that California remedy discrimination against, and underrepresentation of, certain disadvantaged groups in a manner consistent with the United States Constitution and allow gender, racial, and ethnic diversity to be considered among the factors used to decide college admissions and hiring and contracting by government institutions; and
    WHEREAS, It is further the intent of the Legislature that California transcend a legacy of unequal treatment of marginalized groups and promote fairness and equal citizenship by affording the members of marginalized groups a fair and full opportunity to be integrated into state public institutions that advance upward mobility, pay equity, and racial wealth gap reduction; now, therefore, be it

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  73. Klink,

    they lie. Proposition 209 banned discrimination. They want it back. Plain and simple.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  74. Fauci and other medical experts recommend wearing masks as well as maintaining social distance and avoiding crowds. So… what would a stable genius do?

    noel (4d3313)

  75. California bans making a joyful noise in places of worship:

    Making black churches less embarrassing for white politicians.

    The Washington Redskins are likely to change their name

    I suggest the “Vipers.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  76. 74. Fauci recommended that otherwise healthy people NOT wear masks back in March.

    Gryph (08c844)

  77. I can totally imagine FDR ordering non-mask wearers into concentration camps.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7b79e1) — 7/4/2020 @ 12:57 pm

    That is imaginative. But the idea we’re on that level of problem for wearing a mask is Trumpy.

    Dustin (b62cc4)

  78. The entire text of Prop 209:

    Section 31 is added to Article I of the California Constitution as follows:

    SEC. 31. a) The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting.
    b) This section shall apply only to action taken after the section’s effective date.
    c) Nothing in this section shall be interpreted as prohibiting bona fide qualifications based on sex which are reasonably necessary to the normal operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting.
    d) Nothing in this section shall be interpreted as invalidating any court order or consent decree which is in force as of the effective date of this section.
    e) Nothing in this section shall be interpreted as prohibiting action which must be taken to establish or maintain eligibility for any federal program, where ineligibility would result in a loss of federal funds to the state.
    f) For the purposes of this section, ”state” shall include, but not necessarily be limited to, the state itself, any city, county, city and county, public university system, including the University of California, community college district, school district, special district, or any other political subdivision or governmental instrumentality of or within the state.
    g) The remedies available for violations of this section shall be the same, regardless of the injured party’s race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin, as are otherwise available for violations of then-existing California antidiscrimination law.
    h) This section shall be self-executing. If any part or parts of this section are found to be in conflict with federal law or the United States Constitution, the section shall be implemented to the maximum extent that federal law and the United States Constitution permit. Any provision held invalid shall be severable from the remaining portions of this section.

    Prop 5 simply strikes this, in its entirety.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  79. Re news item #6 and comments #5 & #38 about it – so correct about this being about control & money. And about power.
    Remember when the National Football League players used to say they were not role models? https://guardianlv.com/2012/07/dez-bryant-nfl-players-not-role-models/
    Yet now so, so, many are claiming – they are social warriors – with social consciences. Now so many are taking all kinds of stances on all kinds of political & social issues – taking knees, so concerned & sensitive about team names and going to play the ‘Black National Anthem’ before the game, before the National Anthem.
    However, a couple of old sayings should add some balance to this topic. Charity beings at home and People in glass houses should not throw stones [or offer advice?]. Priorities. Hypocrisy. And so much for Dr. King’s ‘I Have A Dream’ speech.
    Example. Recall when the Raven’s Ray Rice knocked his wife out in the elevator? Recall how that was handled? https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/5/23/5744964/ray-rice-arrest-assault-statement-apology-ravens Where were all those concerned NFL social warriors then? or the NFL execs?
    Example. Where were they when the Chief’s Tyreek Hill was accused of breaking his son’s arm (and earlier had battered the boy’s mother)? Recall how that was handled? https://nypost.com/2019/04/25/explosive-audio-emerges-of-chiefs-tyreek-hill-discussing-sons-broken-arm/ Where were the social warriors then?
    Example. Odell Beckham Jr Celebrates By Peeing Like A Dog After TD. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LNv_phcVX8
    Example. Johnny Manziel told to go to rehab or find another agent https://www.cnn.com/2016/04/13/us/johnny-manziel-drew-rosenhaus/index.html
    Example. Aontnio Brown – Florida police department cuts ties with Antonio Brown after profane outburst. https://www.foxnews.com/sports/police-cuts-ties-antonio-brown
    Example. More sports role models for your children.

    NFL Team Arrests Since 2000
    Minnesota Vikings 42
    Cincinnati Bengals 40
    Denver Broncos 36
    Tennessee Titans 33
    Miami Dolphins 28
    Kansas City Chiefs 28
    Jacksonville Jaguars 27
    Tampa Bay Buccaneers 27
    Cleveland Browns 26
    San Diego Chargers 25
    Indianapolis Colts 24
    Chicago Bears 23
    Seattle Seahawks 20
    New Orleans Saints 20
    Washington Redskins 18
    Oakland Raiders 18
    Baltimore Ravens 18
    Carolina Panthers 18
    Green Bay Packers 17
    Pittsburgh Steelers 17
    Atlanta Falcons 16
    San Francisco 49ers 16
    Detroit Lions 15
    New England Patriots 15
    Buffalo Bills 14
    Dallas Cowboys 13
    New York Giants 13
    Arizona Cardinals 12
    New York Jets 11
    Philadelphia Eagles 10
    Houston Texans 9
    St Louis Rams 8
    Total 656

    Makes you want to take a knee…doesn’t it?

    Obviously, the examples are illustrative, not exhaustive.
    So Black Lives Matter? So much concern for the name Redskins? Yet ironically, not much concern about the widespread use of ‘Niggas’, ’Bitches’, ‘Hoes’, ‘Babymama’, and ‘Gangstas’. Hypocrisy, phonies, come to mind. And that house mentioned above – is nothing but shattered glass.
    Man think the acronym NFL actually stands for National Felony League.
    Hey, maybe they will change the name to the Black National Football League?
    It is about control. And too much money and the NFL over estimating their importance, while they fail to take responsibility for their own actions. And about power, raw largely unaccountable power. It’s about arrogance.
    However, they may find out to their chagrin – that too many people have discovered too many other/better things to do with their time – than watching their overpriced and now way too preachy social justice charade – and will no longer partake.
    Liberty & Truth require constant vigilance. GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (a1521c)

  80. Fauci recommended that otherwise healthy people NOT wear masks back in March.

    The CDC was derisive of those who wore masks back then, too.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  81. The Washington Warrens
    The Cleveland Burning River

    The Cleveland Chicken Chokers
    The Washington Wormburners

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  82. Native Americans (like African Americans) were treated disgracefully in the past. We can’t change that, but we can stop rubbing their noses in it by tolerating and preserving symbols rooted in those past abuses.

    Enough of the safe, empty gestures! I think WE can do better than that. I think you should think long and hard about tendering your resignation, thus opening up a slot for a POC.

    I’d offer to do the the same, but I’m retired.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  83. 78. So either they were lying back then, or they’re lying now. Not really good for their credibility either way, don’t you think?

    Gryph (08c844)

  84. Gryph (08c844) — 7/4/2020 @ 2:02 pm

    Apparently it was before they had all the “facts.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  85. well there’s very little science to it, theres a study in 2006 that is contraindicated, I included the aier article about the dubious science behind social distancing, they wargamed this strategy the cdc and johns hopkins last october, before there was even an measurable presence of the virus, we know now the sterling studies directed against hcq were fatally flawed, we know how much the price differential is between gilead’s drug and teva pharmaceuticals, we know now sweden was pursuing a less draconian and more effective strategy, we also know the two faces of dr neil ferguson,

    narciso (7404b5)

  86. 84. Uh huh. Sure. SMDH

    Gryph (08c844)

  87. I’d offer to do the the same, but I’m retired.

    I’ve got some great news for you, “Colonel”!

    Dave (1bb933)

  88. 87. Aren’t retirement benefits for military members different than civilians?

    Gryph (08c844)

  89. Since when did more information informing decisions become a bad thing? People thought leeches treated disease, people thought trepanning treated the “crazy”. Unknowns become knowns changing behavior, life has a steering wheel, you don’t have to drive off of a cliff to “own the libs”.

    And there is no moral equivalence to wearing a mask=concentration camp. There is no freedom from face coverings in the constitution, as is there not freedom from ball coverings, golf balls obviously.

    Name an article or amendment to the constitution that a face mask infringes on…that pants infringe upon, or that one does and the other doesn’t if you can find it.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  90. NFL
    not for long

    mg (8cbc69)

  91. 89. When Fauci admitted that he lied to us back in March instead of straight-up telling us the truth about concern over mask shortages. You’re willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I am not.

    As for “Show me where this infringes,” I am free not to wear a mask. You are free to think whatever you want to think because of that. And here we are; I’m still not going anyplace that will require me to wear one.

    Gryph (08c844)

  92. Colin Kaepernick
    @Kaepernick7
    ·
    Black ppl have been dehumanized, brutalized, criminalized + terrorized by America for centuries, & are expected to join your commemoration of “independence”, while you enslaved our ancestors. We reject your celebration of white supremacy & look forward to liberation for all.
    __ _

    scruffy nerf herder
    @haitian1999

    Amazing what happens to ones mind after being benched for Blaine Gabbert
    __ _

    They’re not looting libraries.
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  93. I will be dropping the “Ga” in solidarity Dr Dillamond.

    -Galinda

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  94. Uncle Bens converted rice is a wholesome food. Susan Rice is a traitorous commie. Rice can be different sometimes. Be careful with rice.

    mg (8cbc69)

  95. “Making America Great Again”–

    July 5, 1969:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFo8ZmLNKDg

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. When Fauci admitted that he lied to us back in March instead of straight-up telling us the truth about concern over mask shortages.

    Because it would have come out that they were changing masks after each patient when there was little reason to do so except to appease the lawyers. Gloves, yes, but why masks?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  97. NFL
    not for long

    It’s not like it will go back to AFL.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  98. 87. Aren’t retirement benefits for military members different than civilians?

    Quite a bit, but it depends on when you joined and between 1980 and 2003ish there were two plans. Assuming you retire at 20 years, the REDUX plan where you got $30k at 15 years and 40% from retirement on regardless of age until 62, then it goes up .5% I think, or no bonus and 50% of your max 36 months, called Max-36. My max 36 was going to be as an O-5, I made O-6 in the reserves but reserve earnings and credit days are lower, you’re never getting O-7 in the reserves, as it’s statutorily limited to 236 and congressional approval, there may have been a reserve Col promoted to Brig, but I don’t know of one. I was activated long enough in 2010-11 as an O-6 to move it up a bit, like $30 a month.

    The current BRS system is much more like that of civilian police and fire, but it didn’t start until a few years ago, anyone who’s getting ready to retire now will be in Max-36 or REDUX.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  99. IN solidarity with African-Americans and to highlight the unjust way the government has been treating them, I am hereby withholding my income taxes.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  100. IN solidarity with African-Americans and to highlight the unjust way the government has been treating them, I am hereby withholding my income taxes.

    You can do that, you can probably get away with it for a year or two, but generally they’ll figure it out a few years later and you’ll have some splainin’ to do.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  101. Pro sports is gonna die a horrible death, just like restaurants.

    mg (8cbc69)

  102. 97. What it boils down to is, I was lied to. We all were. But not all of us feel the same sort of revulsion at being lied to by bureaucrats as I do, I guess.

    Gryph (08c844)

  103. Looks like that 4th of July celebration, of July 2nd and August 2nd, on the mall with 300k people, is just a little shy of that, by 275k’ish.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  104. But not all of us feel the same sort of revulsion at being lied to by bureaucrats as I do, I guess.

    Some of us were smart enough to understand what was going on at the time, and why discouraging a run on scarce supplies needed by doctors and nurses was necessary.

    Dave (1bb933)

  105. You can do that, you can probably get away with it for a year or two, but generally they’ll figure it out a few years later and you’ll have some splainin’ to do.

    It helps that I don’t pay any income tax any more, and won’t at these interest rates.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  106. Why Trump chose Mt. Rushmore: So he could have this photographic abomination.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  107. Some of us were smart enough to understand what was going on at the time, and why discouraging a run on scarce supplies needed by doctors and nurses was necessary.

    You misspelled “wasted”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  108. #79: It would be interesting to see racial arrest data, normalized by overall player racial data.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  109. I was not stupid enough to believe anything that came from Trump and his “best people”, so they might as well have whistled Dixie as far as my safety precautions are concerned.

    nk (1d9030)

  110. 107. Heh! … like the hindquarters of an elephant.

    nk (1d9030)

  111. Trump just compared the battles of WW2 against the Nazi’s with Black Lives Matter and protesters today.

    What a horrible person to speak on the 4th of July. There’s a reason why there are empty tables at his party at the White House, and so few people at the mall. He’s a disgrace.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  112. Jonah on Jaws:

    Dreyfuss is basically an epidemiologist explaining that the shark doesn’t care about the crucial summer months for Amity’s economy. And there’s the mayor playing, well, not quite Donald Trump, but certainly one of dozens of Republican politicians looking for excuses not to listen to the scientists. Dreyfuss says he found the tooth of the shark in the hull of a boat. And despite being informed that the owner of the boat, one Ben Gardner, was—to use a scientific term—eaten by the shark, the mayor won’t believe any of it because Dreyfuss can’t produce the tooth. I mean, maybe Brody could have brought Ben Gardner’s head?
    Anyway, what really gets the mayor’s goat (presumably so long as the goat doesn’t go swimming) is the “fake news” contained in a vandalized billboard.
    Remember, a bunch of people have already been eaten by the shark. But closing the beaches—not the bars, not the restaurants, just the beaches—is too terrible a thing to contemplate, so the mayor and most of Amity’s residents simply pretend there’s no shark. It feels amazingly familiar.

    If you watch the YouTube, Spielberg shoots a continuous, single-shot 2:30 scene between the mayor, Dreyfuss and Scheider. Great stuff.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  113. shark sightings daily on the cape, time for a 2020 JAWS redo

    mg (8cbc69)

  114. @113. “Amity” isn’t America; it has unique economic parameters relative to their locale. Doubt ‘Jonah’ has ever actually lived in a real world island town like “Amity,” dependent on 90 days of tourism and summer business from Memorial Day to Labor Day, to carry islanders through the winter without going on welfare. I have — where the incident which partly inspired Benchley’s tale took place BTW. Only a shoobee girl, a kid, a dog and ol’Ben made the menu; Amity’s mayor has a valid POV- especially on the biggest dollar holiday weekend- he’s looking at the bigger economic picture– bigger than a billboard.

    Bit of a blowhole, that Jonah.

    “Smile you sunnuvabitch.” – Chief Martin Brody [Roy Scheider] ‘Jaws’ 1975

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  115. Trump supporters very upset about lies in this thread.

    Davethulhu (f33f98)

  116. “might as well have whistled Dixie”

    Sorry whistling Dixie has been canceled due to cultural insensitivity

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca)

  117. Trump doesn’t like masks, social distancing or testing. He likes crowds as long as he can test everyone who comes near him. Now, you devoted Trump followers have to defend this insane way to fight a pandemic.

    Funny as hell.

    noel (4d3313)

  118. Well, it would be funny if he weren’t literally getting people killed.

    noel (4d3313)

  119. 105. But that’s not what they told us. You were lied to. And apparently you’re okay with it. I’m not. YMMV.

    Gryph (08c844)

  120. tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-diversity-trap-jilani

    But too often our conversations about diversity are shallow and focused only on that narrow set of characteristics that is politically valuable. These conversations are most pernicious when they obsess over race, giving illegitimate power to what is a social fiction, which is why I would feel shame or guilt if I ever found out I was hired to any position, or handed any form of charity, solely due to the color of my skin. I want to believe that my accomplishments are my own and that what I have to add comes from my ideas and experiences, not an arbitrary characteristic that has value as a chip in a system of social status. Moreover, the knowledge that I was granted a special favor due to the accident of my birth would mean the opportunity was denied to someone else.

    While liberal diversity culture can go as far as advocating for outright racial quotas, there is very little discussion of promoting differing modes of thought or true multiculturalism. In fact, in the progressive spaces where I have worked, it increasingly appears that the desired outcome is for employees to look different but think exactly the same; the end state is a monoculture that defeats the whole point of meaningful diversity. Where, for instance, are the liberal publications preaching the value of diversity that are also recruiting more pro-life writers? Polling shows Hispanics, America’s most populous minority group, tend to be more conservative on abortion issues than the rest of the population, a position that has nothing to do with race and everything to do with religious values.

    Perhaps, it should be no surprise that moral panics about race have seized the liberal upper-middle class in recent weeks. This group of people has so little in the way of substantive disagreements, that arguments for promotion via race are simply an extension of office politics by other means. Yet, to merely write this all off as the ideological extremism of an idle class misses just how damaging it is—to the country and to the value of true diversity—to have the concept hijacked and tainted in this way.

    This is a leftist writing what should be obvious to all, but to too many, diversity is only skin deep.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  121. 119.Well, it would be funny if he [Trump] weren’t literally getting people killed.

    Trump isn’t killing anybody: the party famed for preaching ‘personal responsibility’ are responsible to and for themselves.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  122. https://babylonbee.com/news/washington-post-calls-on-patriots-to-change-offensive-name

    WASHINGTON, D.C.—The Washington Post published an editorial today calling on the New England Patriots to change their team name due to its association with the United States of America.

    The article called for the Patriots to change their team name immediately to something that doesn’t imply they are proud of their country.

    Just a matter of time…

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  123. https://tinyurl.com/y8bwk3k2

    The majority of Native Americans still aren’t offended by the name of the Washington ***skins.

    That finding is from a recent survey and — as you probably remember, even if you’ve tried to forget — falls in line with what a Washington Post poll found three years ago and an Annenberg Public Policy Center poll found 12 years before that.

    I know, I know. We’ve all already given a lot of emotional energy to this issue, and three years ago, we agreed, whether or not we said it, to move on.

    But I think you’ll want to hear about this recent survey because it differs from the previous polls in an important way.

    It aimed to understand not only how Native Americans feel about the team’s name, but also why they feel that way.

    The survey offered respondents more than 40 emotions to choose from to express how the team name makes them feel. Among their options: Proud, disappointed, empowered, embarrassed, appreciative and hopeless.

    Then the author goes on to whine that they just aren’t smart enough to realize they should be insulted and they’ve accepted the bigotry so she’ll be offended on their behalf.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  124. Why Trump chose Mt. Rushmore: So he could have this photographic abomination.

    It’s been reported that he told the governor of South Dakota that his dream was to have his face carved on Mt. Rushmore. The report is 100 percent plausible, because Trump shows us every day how colossally self-absorbed and arrogantly delusional he is.

    The belief of the Trump faithful that he is making a great patriotic sacrifice out of love for America and concern for “ordinary Americans” is perhaps even more delusional — or more mystifying, at any rate. At least Trump’s delusions can be blamed on an obvious mental pathology.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  125. https://babylonbee.com/news/washington-post-calls-on-patriots-to-change-offensive-name

    You understand that the Babylon Bee is a satire site, right? right? As in they make up their stories to poke fun at people…like you who are…

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  126. https://babylonbee.com/news/babylon-bee-deathly-afraid-that-it-will-print-something-connected-to-reality

    “Chimeras”, said a Bee employee who wishes to remain anonymous because he had scored some really prime ganja and could not remember his name at the moment. “That’s what we specialize in. Straw men on steroids. Something that will scare them just enough and make them laugh just enough and still keep them in their comfort zones.”

    “That real stuff”, he continued, “that’s for the birds. People don’t want to read that. It might make them feel like they ought to push themselves away from that stack of pancakes and get up off their obese tushies and do something constructive and socially responsible, when all they want is to be fed and entertained.”

    nk (1d9030)

  127. This is a day of Independence; for all the Trumpkins and their descendants! 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  128. You know when this country went wrong, DCSCA? I’ll tell you when this country went wrong. This country went wrong when it granted the right to vote to people who consider it a question of principle whether a football team changes its name. That’s when this country went wrong.

    nk (1d9030)

  129. Belated happy birthday USA.
    If you’re Florida Man, be careful buddy.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  130. 125. The pathology is called “Silver Spoon Complex.” If you want to rot your child’s soul from the inside out, leave them a large fortune like Trump’s father did.

    Gryph (08c844)

  131. You understand that the Babylon Bee is a satire site, right? right? As in they make up their stories to poke fun at people…like you who are…

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 7/4/2020 @ 6:11 pm

    You do understand me posting “just a matter of time” means that it’s just a matter of time before this satire becomes reality, right?

    Washington, Jefferson, Columbus, etc prove the case.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  132. Indeed its like when rush or mark steyn says something it will eventually come true but it will be fine right.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  133. @129. nk–

    https://dubaimonsters.com/blog/brands-that-undergone-a-name-change

    “Brad’s Drink – For Those Who Think Young”– sorta fizzles, even if Britney Spears is singing it. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  134. You do understand me posting “just a matter of time” means that it’s just a matter of time before this satire becomes reality, right?

    Washington, Jefferson, Columbus, etc prove the case.

    Sure, what about this time?

    https://babylonbee.com/news/breaking-white-house-involved-in-stunning-plot-of-murder-and-bribery-update-never-mind-it-was-during-the-obama-administration-deleting

    Murder, mayhem and treason. Meh, nevermind.

    NJRob (ad1e9c) — 11/23/2019 @ 11:51 am

    So you’re definitely joking, this time. Definitely, totally joking, definitely totally knew it was fake. Totally, got it.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  135. Origin of the Cubs

    Today’s Chicago Cubs began as the White Stockings, a team name that lasted until 1889. Based on the relative youth of the players, the team was next called the “Colts” (1890-1897). When the club’s owner refused to renew manager Cap Anson’s contract in 1898, the leader-less ballplayers were dubbed the “Orphans” (1898-1901). After a disastrous 1901 losing season (53-86), the manager Frank Selee began a huge rebuilding project, stocking the team with young players and rookies. Hence the “Cubs.” Other names cropped up over the years as well. During the early 1900s the Chicago National League team was also called the Remnants, Nationals, Sprouts, Seedlings, Recruits, Hartites, Microbes, Seleeites, Selee’s Colts, and the Tribe of Selee.

    Where did they all come from? Many clubs during this period were simply referred to by their cities, such as the Chicagos or Bostons. The team names themselves were often coined not by their respective clubs but by newspapers’ ingenious sportswriters. Reporters would occasionally even use two different names in the same newspaper article, if only as a literary device to avoid repetition. The names would catch the public’s fancy, and eventually, through popular use, become a part of the club’s history.

    nk (1d9030)

  136. Trump’s push to amplify racism unnerves Republicans who have long enabled him
    President Trump’s unyielding push to preserve Confederate symbols and the legacy of white domination, crystallized by his harsh denunciation of the racial justice movement Friday night at Mount Rushmore, has unnerved Republicans who have long enabled him but now fear losing power and forever associating their party with his racial animus.
    ……..
    Trump put his strategy to resuscitate his troubled reelection campaign by galvanizing white supporters on display Friday night under the chiseled granite gaze of four past presidents memorialized in the Black Hills of South Dakota. He celebrated Independence Day with a dystopian speech in which he excoriated racial justice protesters as “evil” representatives of a “new far-left fascism” whose ultimate goal is “the end of America.”
    ……..
    …….. Coupled with the coronavirus pandemic and related economic crisis, these Republicans fear he is not only seriously impairing his reelection chances but also jeopardizing the GOP Senate majority and its strength in the House.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  137. @136. In Brooklyn, their team was just called Bums. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  138. 105. But that’s not what they told us. You were lied to. And apparently you’re okay with it. I’m not. YMMV.

    Poor Gryph!

    I hope your emotional scars will heal, someday.

    Dave (1bb933)

  139. Trump Claims Desert Storm Happened In Vietnam In 4th of July Disaster
    During his Fourth of July Speech, Trump claimed that Operation Desert Storm happened in the jungles of Vietnam.

    Trump said, “In the fields and jungles of Vietnam, they delivered a swift and swiffian, It was swift and it was sweeping like nobody’s ever seen happen. A victory in Operation Desert Storm, a lot of you were involved in that. A lot of you were involved. That was a quick one.”

    …….. The Trump campaign wants to pretend like Joe Biden is in cognitive decline, but Trump can’t make it through a single public appearance without butchering words or getting history totally wrong.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  140. 139. Your patronizing tone, even in writing, is duly noted. I think I’m a lot tougher than your fear of CoViD-19 suggests that you are.

    Gryph (08c844)

  141. Trump says U.S. has ‘made a lot of progress’ controlling the pandemic as the country logs 26th straight day of record average case totals
    President Trump said Saturday that his administration had “made a lot of progress” on controlling the novel coronavirus pandemic, even as the seven-day average of cases in the United States set a record for the 26th straight day.
    …….
    Trump asserted in his speech at the White House that the country had “put out the flame” of the virus. He added that progress was being made on development of a vaccine, which experts say is unlikely to be widely available until late this year or early next year at the earliest.

    …….. Tom Frieden, former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said young adults make up a significant share of new infections but added that the virus will spread to others.

    “It’s worse, will continue to get worse, and will take months to improve substantially,” he said on Twitter. “We are going in the wrong direction, fast.”
    ……
    Nationwide, the rolling seven-day average for new cases was 48,361 on Saturday, up 11,740 from a week ago, according to tracking by The Washington Post. Eighteen states also reported new average highs.
    …….
    In Arizona, another hotbed for new infections, a record 3,113 patients were hospitalized with covid-19, up 100 from Friday. Ninety percent of the state’s intensive care unit beds and 85 percent of inpatient beds were in use, according to health officials.
    …….
    ……. ICU use at Houston’s Texas Medical Center, the world’s largest hospital complex, at one point topping 100 percent. The state’s 7,890 hospitalizations set a record……
    ……..
    The country’s average daily death toll continued to wane — from 566 this time last week to 487 on Saturday — but experts warned that fatalities could trend upward again as more people fell ill.

    On Friday, new infections nationwide reached another single-day high of 57,497, and at least 20 states set record highs for the average of new cases over seven days.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  142. Dave @139-
    Gryph is sensitive and has no sense of humor.

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  143. 140. He must have heard it at Fox News, Rip.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/at-un-human-rights-council-53-back-chinas-hong-kong-crackdown That’s a real neat trick on the part of China since the HRC has only 47 members. Don’t bother clicking the link, it doesn’t name the countries except Cuba.

    nk (1d9030)

  144. You know whos on that council its the legiin of doom.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  145. Jonah Goldberg
    @JonahDispatch
    ·
    People dunking on the founding should appreciate that they’re taking a sledgehammer to the very soapbox they’re standing on. No founding, no free speech, no right to assemble, no due process. If you think that’s all just “white supremacy,” try protesting and carping without it.

    _

    harkin (5af287)

  146. Well, yeah, that was the point of the story, that the HRC is evil, and Ms. Ambassadress Nikki Haley whom Mr. President Donald Trump appointed UN Ambassador withdrew the United States from it in 2018. A Trump campaign ad, not news we can use.

    nk (1d9030)

  147. Historians question Trump’s choice of ‘heroes’ for national garden monument
    ……..[S]ome historians were particularly puzzled Saturday by his announcement for a new monument called the “National Garden of American Heroes” populated by a grab bag of historical figures chosen by his administration.
    ……
    “The choices vary from odd to probably inappropriate to provocative,” said James Grossman, executive director of the American Historical Association.

    “It’s just so random. It’s like they threw a bunch of stuff on the wall and just went with whatever stuck,” said Karen Cox, a history professor at University of North Carolina at Charlotte, after struggling for several minutes to describe the order outlining the proposed monument. “Nothing about this suggests it’s thoughtful.”
    …….
    “It seems like a pretty naked attempt to seize on a cultural conflict to distract from other issues,” said Grossman. He noted Trump’s executive order establishes a task force and gives it 60 days to submit a report detailing locations and options for building the new garden monument.

    “There’s no rush here. The only real emergency is that there’s an election coming up,” Grossman said.
    …….
    One of the more puzzling selections is Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, a Union officer in the Civil War. Domby suspects Chamberlain was included because his character appears in the 1993 movie “Gettysburg,” or maybe perhaps because Chamberlain ordered his Union soldiers to come to attention and show respect to Confederate soldiers as they surrendered.
    ……….
    …….. Pulitzer Prize-winning writer Douglas Blackmon said on Twitter “There are no Asian American heroes. Like Sadao Munemori who attacked two machine gun emplacements in Italy, then gave his life diving on a grenade to save his unit. He’s not a hero? Wrong color?”
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  148. Gryph is sensitive and has no sense of humor.

    If you grew up next to the last Indian tribe to win a pitched battle against the United States Army on the one hand, and the certainty that you would be the first casualty of WWIII on the other, you would be sensitive and have no sense of humor too.

    nk (1d9030)

  149. Historians question Trump’s choice of ‘heroes’ for national garden monument

    Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain is more deserving of honor than a lot of the others on the list.

    Half of them are just random names the Orange heard on TV.

    Bardeen, Shockley and Brattain (inventors of the transistor) surely changed the world as much or more than the Wright Brothers.

    Jobs and Wozniak too.

    Dave (1bb933)

  150. I think I’m a lot tougher than your fear of CoViD-19 suggests that you are.

    Gryph (08c844) — 7/4/2020 @ 8:16 pm

    🦇😋🧆🗣

    🤓🙊😲😷

    🦠🤛💪🤬 <- You are here (super tough guy!)

    Dustin (b62cc4)

  151. Christopher Columbus statue near Little Italy brought down, tossed into Baltimore’s Inner Harbor
    A crowd of shouting protesters yanked down the Christopher Columbus statue near Little Italy, dragged it to the edge of Baltimore’s Inner Harbor and rolled it with a splash into the water as fireworks went off around the city on the night of the Fourth of July.
    ……
    ……The legacy of the 15th-century Italian explorer, who had long been credited by history textbooks as a hero who discovered America, has come under fire over his violent enslavement of native people.
    …….
    [A spokesman for the mayor] said he did not know whether police officers were ordered to allow the statue to be torn down. But he made clear that protecting statues was not a priority of the city police department in the face of homicides and other violent crime.
    …….
    Carved in Italian Carrara marble, the toppled statue was owned by the city and dedicated on Oct. 8, 1984 by former Mayor William Donald Schaefer and President Ronald Reagan.
    ……..
    The toppled statue is one of three monuments to Columbus in Baltimore.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  152. @151-
    Shockley’s views on race and eugenics probably disqualify him, except to Trump.

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  153. Jonah Goldberg
    @JonahDispatch
    ·
    People dunking on the founding should appreciate that they’re taking a sledgehammer to the very soapbox they’re standing on. No founding, no free speech, no right to assemble, no due process. If you think that’s all just “white supremacy,” try protesting and carping without it.

    Truly a bit of a blowhole, that Jonah:

    Speakers Corner[s] – The original and best known is in the northeast corner of Hyde Park in London, England. Historically there were a number of other areas designated as Speakers’ Corners in other parks in London, such as Lincoln’s Inn Fields, Finsbury Park, Clapham Common, Kennington Park, and Victoria Park. Areas for Speakers’ Corners have been established in other countries and elsewhere in the UK.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  154. Operation Vote Split or the Dems VP (on Twitter, I’ve heard his redpilling has been an act meant to broaden fanbase)?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-kanye-west-idUSKBN24601P

    urbanleftbehind (a2d738)

  155. Trump Claims Desert Storm Happened In Vietnam In 4th of July Disaster
    During his Fourth of July Speech, Trump claimed that Operation Desert Storm happened in the jungles of Vietnam

    Nope no way he said that, no one is possibly that clueless… Uh…yeah he’s the most informed person on planet Earth.

    What a moron. The obvious slow clap as he trails off is funny.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  156. ‘One of the more puzzling selections is Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, a Union officer in the Civil War.’

    Except it’s not- unless you’re a sympathetic Stars and Bars Confederate friendly historian:

    ‘Chamberlain is best known for his gallantry at the Battle of Gettysburg, for which he was awarded the Medal of Honor. On July 2, during the Battle of Gettysburg, Chamberlain’s regiment occupied the extreme left of the Union lines at Little Round Top. Chamberlain’s men withstood repeated assaults from the 15th Regiment Alabama Infantry [aka traitorous Confederates under the overall command of top-traitor Robert E. Lee] and finally drove the Confederates away with a downhill bayonet charge.

    With many casualties and ammunition running low, Col. Chamberlain recognized the dire circumstances and ordered his left wing… to initiate a bayonet charge. From his report of the day: “At that crisis, I ordered the bayonet. The word was enough.” While battlefield conditions make it unlikely that many men heard Chamberlain’s order, most historians believe he initiated the charge.

    The 20th Maine charged down the hill, with the left wing wheeling continually to make the charging line swing like a hinge, thus creating a simultaneous frontal assault and flanking maneuver, capturing 101 of the Confederate soldiers and successfully saving the flank.

    For his “daring heroism and great tenacity in holding his position on the Little Round Top against repeated assaults, and carrying the advance position on the Great Round Top”, Chamberlain was awarded the Medal of Honor.’ – source, wikigoodguysnottraitorstotheUSA

    “Bayonets!” – Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain [Jeff Daniels] ‘Gettysburg’ 1993

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  157. Shockley’s views on race and eugenics probably disqualify him, except to Trump.

    Wow, wasn’t aware of that. What a pity.

    Dave (1bb933)

  158. you know pity

    mg (8cbc69)

  159. govna baker has killed veterans and older people with his mass killing ideas. This prick is a republican pos.

    mg (8cbc69)

  160. urbanleftbehind @156. Watch Kris Jenner convince him that he’ll have a better chance as a woman.

    nk (1d9030)

  161. Andy Ngô
    @MrAndyNgo

    Summer Taylor, a non binary Black Lives Matter activist who was hit by a car while protesting on the I-5 freeway in Seattle, has died. Dawit Kelete, who is black, is accused of being the driver & was arrested.
    __ _

    KOMO News
    @komonews
    ·
    State Patrol says it won’t allow protesters onto I-5 after overnight crash that left two women hurt. https://komonews.com/news/local/two-hurt-in-seattle-after-driver-on-i-5-crashes-into-protesters

    __ _

    Good thinking
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  162. 150. Hey, now. You know we have a lot of guns here, right?

    Gryph (08c844)

  163. 163, all kinds of intersectionality and switched alliances based on the driver of the car. The 2nd incident of such this week following the murder of Pfc. Vanessa Guillen.

    urbanleftbehind (b61969)

  164. A largely South Boston-based regiment was under Custer’s command for that big defeat, though one Adam Viniteri, whose great great grandfather was Custer’s band leader on that day (but told by the general to fall back to the camp) and remained in S.D., did a solid for the Patriots some 125 years later.

    urbanleftbehind (b61969)

  165. There goes Gryph, like Trump, threatening violence.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  166. So you’re definitely joking, this time. Definitely, totally joking, definitely totally knew it was fake. Totally, got it.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 7/4/2020 @ 7:32 pm

    You are really dumb, aren’t you. Or just a biased individual with no sense of humor.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  167. 168. Not at all. You confuse “violence” with self-defense.

    Gryph (08c844)

  168. 159. I don’t find it all that surprising. Eugenics is pretty revolting now, and rightfully so, but back in Shockley’s day it was pretty fashionable, particularly among the west coast glitterati (he grew up in Palo Alto, the future seat of Silicon Valley).

    Gryph (08c844)

  169. eugenics is what margaret sanger was about,

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/07/a_night_at_mt_rushmore.html

    narciso (7404b5)

  170. 172. Sanger started a movement. A lot of intellectuals were behind that movement including John Maynard Keynes, Alexander Graham Bell, Teddy Roosevelt, and Helen Keller. Of course that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

    Gryph (08c844)

  171. modern exponents, of such, yes keynes who got most everything wrong, teddy roosevelt who got somethings right, don’t mind rip, he’s still stuck on the moonbase,

    narciso (7404b5)

  172. https://amgreatness.com/2020/07/04/a-magnificent-speech/

    Donald Trump issued a kindred invitation to unity in the midst of conflict. The signing of the Declaration of Independence in Philadelphia in July 1776 was a world-historical event. It represented, the president rightly said, “the culmination of thousands of years of Western Civilization—and the triumph not only of spirit, but of wisdom, philosophy, and reason.” At the center of the triumph was the animating possession of liberty, made possible by the unanimous affirmation of the principles Thomas Jefferson articulated in the Declaration: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights . . .”

    The president’s speech was a passionate celebration of American freedom and American greatness—a greatness, he noted, that was embodied by the sublime majesty of the heads of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt sculpted into the granite pinnacle of Mt. Rushmore.

    But just as Lincoln spoke on the eve of civil war, so Donald Trump spoke in the midst of widespread and organized violence against the emblems and the spirit of the American promise. “[T]here is,” he warned, “a growing danger that threatens every blessing our ancestors fought, struggled, and bled to secure.”

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  173. Rip Taylor is an intrepid purveyor of teh snooze…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  174. “ “My hope is, as a result of this tragedy, protesters will reconsider their desire to be on the interstate,”Capt Ron Mead, Washington State Patrol

    Mead said Saturday that protesters have forced a closure on Interstate 5 every day for nearly three weeks. The freeway, however, is “simply not a safe place” for protesters to gather, he added.“
    __ _

    I had no idea protesters were allowed to shut down the interstate for almost three weeks.

    Coming to a city near you
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  175. snowplows

    mg (8cbc69)

  176. Regarding American Greatness, I was really in suspense as to which they’d go in their opinion of Trump’s speech.
    I think their whole reason for existing these days is to describe as many as possible how Trump sh*t smells like wisteria.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  177. @171-
    Shockley promoted his eugenic theories in the 1970s-1980s, which wasn’t that long ago. Certainly more recent than when eugenics was popular in 1900s-1930s.

    Don’t forget to leave Henry Ford off the list.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  178. You don’t confuse me at all, Gryph.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  179. Rare brain-eating amoeba infection confirmed in Florida, health officials say
    This could explain a lot about Floridans.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  180. Congressman Greg Gianforte, Kristen Juras suspend public events after potential COVID-19 exposure

    Congressman Greg Gianforte (R-MT) and Lieutenant gubernatorial candidate Kristen Juras are suspending public events after a potential exposure to COVID-19.

    On Tuesday, Gianforte’s wife, Susan, and Juras attended a fundraising event with Donald Trump Jr. and his girlfriend Kimblery Guilfoyle in the Big Sky area according to a spokesperson for the Gianforte campaign.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  181. More cases due to more testing… the percentage of positives to tests has remained constant, within 1 to 2 percent… same as a couple of months ago… hospitalization stays are shorter, deaths due to are down… all info that Rip Taylor and Col. Karen ignore.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  182. People that continue to gin up hysteria on a daily basis, who haven’t lost their livelihoods, who preach “we’re all in this together” lack self-awareness.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  183. Enjoy your Sunday!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  184. 180. After his death, Shockley was also thought to have been an undiagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. And I did say in post 171 that my list was just the tip of the iceberg.

    Gryph (08c844)

  185. Tom Frieden, bloomberg’s soda czar, who let ebola into the country, and had a #metoo problem, if memory served, lol, montagu swallowing the haggis sans seasoning,

    narciso (7404b5)

  186. as opposed to gates and zuckerberg’s zpg fixation, that’s near beer,

    narciso (7404b5)

  187. Militias flocked to Gettysburg to foil a supposed antifa flag burning, an apparent hoax created on social media
    For weeks, a mysterious figure on social media talked up plans for antifa protesters to converge on this historical site on Independence Day to burn American flags, an event that seemed at times to border on the farcical.
    ………
    On Saturday afternoon, in the hours before the flag burning was to start, they flooded in by the hundreds — heavily armed and unaware, it seemed, that the mysterious Internet poster was not who the person claimed to be.
    ………
    It is not always clear who has made these false claims and why, whether they seek to advance a political agenda, antagonize people with whom they disagree or achieve some other goal.
    ……..
    Officials at Facebook and Twitter shut down the Left Behind USA pages last week after The Post inquired about the accounts, saying the person behind them had manipulated the platform by creating multiple accounts with overlapping content in an effort to amplify their messaging.
    …….
    On June 11, Left Behind USA posted an image on its Facebook page that seemed designed to agitate.
    Around an illustration of a U.S. flag aflame, it announced: “Antifa presents: 4th of July Flag Burning To Peacefully Protest For Abolishing Police Nationwide.”

    “No Bikers, Militias Or Other So-Called Patriots,” it said. “Children Welcome – Antifa Face-Painting”
    …….
    On June 22, the far-right website Gateway Pundit published a story claiming that “Antifa domestic terrorists are planning to desecrate the Gettysburg National Cemetery and set the American Flag ablaze on Independence Day.”
    ……..
    “Multiple local residents in Gettysburg PA have contacted us with HEAVY concerns about the terrorist organization ANTIFA holding a flag burning event in their town,” a group that calls itself the Pennsylvania State Militia posted on its Facebook page June 23. The group said it would mobilize its “county response team” as “a deterrent against the enemy forces.”
    …….
    Last week, the person who identified himself as (Alan Jeffs, the “person” behind the Twitter account) told The Post in a private message sent through Twitter that he expected “500 to 600” people to attend the flag-burning event. “We have mobilized groups from all over the area,” he wrote.

    “We believe in open carry and plan to do so at this event,” he added, a reference to the practice of openly carrying firearms in public.
    ……..
    On Saturday, hours before the planned flag-burning protest, hundreds of bikers, militia members and self-described patriots began gathering outside the Gettysburg Cemetery and at nearby sites with Confederate memorials. Some waved Confederate flags. Many gripped assault rifles slung from their shoulders. One carried a baseball bat.
    ……..
    As the 3 p.m. start time for the planned flag burning approached, there was no sign of Alan Jeffs or of busloads of antifa members.

    Suddenly, by the statue of (Robert E.) Lee, a biker shouted that he had gotten an alarming call. Someone was preparing to burn a flag, after all, he said. Scores of people jumped on their bikes and roared toward the cemetery.

    There, they learned it was not the threat they imagined.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  188. No, Haiku, I just ignore you.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  189. 192. You ignore him, even though you just had to point that out to him? Wow…my irony meter just pegged.

    Gryph (08c844)

  190. As Coronavirus Slams Houston Hospitals, It’s Like New York ‘All Over Again’
    ……….
    Like New York City in March, the Houston hospitals are experiencing a steep rise in caseloads that is filling their beds, stretching their staffing, creating a backlog in testing and limiting the availability of other medical services. Attempts to buy more supplies — including certain protective gear, vital-sign monitors and testing components — are frustrated by weeks of delays, according to hospital leaders.
    ……….
    (Houston) Methodist, a top-ranked system of eight hospitals, had nearly 400 coronavirus inpatients last Sunday. Nearly a week later — even as physicians tried to be conservative in admitting patients and discharged others as soon as they safely could — the figure was 575. The flagship hospital added 130 inpatient beds in recent days and rapidly filled them. Now, administrators estimate that the number of Covid-19 patients across the system could reach 800 or 900 in coming weeks, and are planning to accommodate up to 1,000.
    ………
    Houston’s hospitals have some advantages compared with New York’s in the spring. Doctors know more now about how to manage the sickest patients and are more often able to avoid breathing tubes, ventilators and critical care. But one treatment shown to shorten hospital stays, the antiviral drug remdesivir, is being allocated by the state, and hospitals here have repeatedly run out of it.
    ………
    Here in Texas, political leaders have been at odds with one another, and residents sharply disagree about the danger the virus poses and what precautions are necessary. At some Houston hospitals, visitors and patients have refused to wear masks, creating conflicts with security guards at entrances.
    ………
    Methodist was part of two remdesivir trials. But because the research has ended, it and other hospitals now depend on allotments of the drug from the state. As virus cases increased, the supplies ran short, said Katherine Perez, an infectious-disease specialist at the hospital. “In Houston, every hospital that’s gotten the drug, everyone’s just kind of used it up,” she said.

    The hospital received 1,000 vials, its largest batch ever, a little over a week ago. Within four days, all the patients who could be treated with it had been selected, and pharmacists were awaiting another shipment.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  191. This could explain a lot about Floridans.

    The reason for Biden sycophants spamming threads remains unexplained.

    beer ‘n pretzels (4d3c08)

  192. Colonel Haiku writes: “More cases due to more testing… the percentage of positives to tests has remained constant, within 1 to 2 percent… same as a couple of months ago…”

    Sure, if you look at the national figures. But that is a convenient deception. Since NYC and other large metro areas have decreased in number, the national figures look static. But….. I just glanced at your favorite Republican Governors’ report cards and here is what I see.

    Texas: 5% positives six weeks ago to 14% now.
    Arizona: 6% to 26%.
    Florida: 4% to 18%

    Keep it up, Republicans. And you’ll never forget this election.

    noel (4d3313)

  193. Enjoy yours as well, Col.
    Hope retirement is going well.

    mg (8cbc69)

  194. @195-
    If you don’t like it feel free to post contrary information, like from Gateway Pundit.

    As far as being a Biden sycophant, like a lot of people here I’m a never Trumper. I didn’t vote for President in 2016. And I’m not voting for President this year either.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  195. Fricking Republican King Baker in Ma. has killed vets and old people because of his stupidity. No coverage. No one questions how his son got away with fondoling a women on a plane.

    mg (8cbc69)

  196. The reason for Biden sycophants spamming threads remains unexplained.

    Can you point to a single pro Biden post? Saying he’s less brain broke than Trump isn’t exactly pro Biden, except by those whose brian is also broke.

    Trump is too mentally deficient to drink a cup of water, literally. Only in comparison to Trump could Biden be “the smart one”, and that’s just undeniably true.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  197. More cases due to more testing… the percentage of positives to tests has remained constant…

    FakeNews, Haiku. FakeNews.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  198. The president’s speech was a passionate celebration of American freedom and American greatness

    I have to wonder how someone who has expressed a wish to shut down news organizations that don’t flatter him, and who demands uncritical personal loyalty from public officials, could be regarded as passionate about American freedom.
    And how an observer could miss the way Trump’s notion of American greatness is bereft of any deep understanding of American history, but mostly an extension of his “I won / you lose” philosophy of life, and his belief that putting himself in charge was the key to realizing greatness.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  199. Tom Frieden, bloomberg’s soda czar, who let ebola into the country, and had a #metoo problem, if memory served, lol, montagu swallowing the haggis sans seasoning

    Please explain your “reasoning”.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  200. You take a shot at “Floridans” [sic] to derive some sick political leverage from someone’s misfortune, and you object to the word sycophant.

    beer ‘n pretzels (8dac67)

  201. One of the more puzzling selections is Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, a Union officer in the Civil War

    There is a widely held view thar Chamberlain was a self promoter who oversold his heroism [Trump would like that, although I doubt Trump even knows about it] and that his description of the surrender at Appomattox was a fiction concocted long after the fact to promote interregional unity and soothe Southern feelings.

    Kishnevi (e7d334)

  202. 196. Any statistics on South Dakota? Pbbbt! 😛

    Gryph (08c844)

  203. Speaking of self promoting heros, do y’all realize that were it not for Teddy Roosevelt’s ego, Wilson would not have been elected POTUS.

    Kishnevi (e7d334)

  204. No!! Beyonce?! Say it’s not so!

    Beyoncé is not even African American. She is faking this for exposure. Her real name is Ann Marie Lastrassi. She is Italian. This is all part of the Soros Deep State agenda for the Black Lives Matter movement. BEYONCÉ YOU ARE ON NOTICE!
    #GreatAwakening #QAnon #WWG1GWA #Trump2020

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  205. Saying he’s less brain broke than Trump isn’t exactly pro Biden,

    The other day I was behind a car with a bumper sticker saying “2020: Any Functioning Adult.” That’s fairly close to my sentiments now, though I would have drawn the line at a Bernie Sanders presidency.

    I have no love for Joe Biden, and no enthusiasm for a Biden administration. But he isn’t as psychologically messed-up, grossly self-centered, bizarrely grandiose, or cruelly vindictive as Trump. He’s more sane, and he has human empathy, which Trump utterly lacks. And if another crisis occurred, his most pressing concern probably wouldn’t be “Are people praising me?”

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  206. FDA commissioner declines to back Trump assertion on ‘harmless’ coronavirus cases
    FDA commissioner Stephen Hahn on Sunday declined to provide supporting evidence for President Donald Trump’s assertion that 99 percent of coronavirus cases are “totally harmless.”
    ……..
    “I want to ask you again, Dr. Hahn,” (ABC’s “This Week,” co-anchor Martha) Raddatz said. “How many cases would you say are harmless?”

    “You know, any case, we don’t want to have in this country. This is a very rapidly moving epidemic, rapidly-moving pandemic. And any death, any case is tragic. And we want to do everything we can to prevent that,” Hahn replied.
    ……..
    In his Saturday speech, Trump contradicted several public health experts to say that the U.S. will “likely have a therapeutic and/or vaccine solution long before the end of the year.”

    On Sunday, Hahn said he can’t predict when a vaccine will be available.
    ……..
    Hahn won’t be FDA Commissioner much longer.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  207. People have lost jobs for good.
    25 years of in home personal training and a lifetime of mixing cocktails no longer keeps my wife busy. eff off you China lovers.
    Almost 70 and am working as hard as I was when I was 16.

    mg (8cbc69)

  208. you’re auguring in murdock

    https://covidtracking.com/data/state/south-dakota

    narciso (7404b5)

  209. How deadly is the coronavirus? Scientists are searching for a definitive answer.
    ………
    At present, countries have very different case fatality rates, which measure deaths among patients known to have had Covid-19. In most cases, that number is highest in countries that have had the virus the longest.

    According to data gathered by The New York Times, China had reported 90,294 cases as of Friday and 4,634 deaths, a case fatality rate of 5 percent. The United States, which has had a record number of new daily cases six times in the past two weeks, has had 2,811,447 cases and 129,403 deaths, about 4.6 percent.

    Ten sizable countries, most in Western Europe, have tested bigger percentages of their populations than the United States has. Their case fatality rates vary wildly: Iceland’s is less than 1 percent, New Zealand’s and Israel’s are below 2 percent. Belgium, by comparison, is at 16 percent, and Italy and Britain are at 14 percent.
    …….
    [WHO] researchers looked at 267 studies in more than a dozen countries and then chose the 25 they considered the most accurate, weighting them for accuracy, and averaged the data. They concluded that the global infection fatality rate was 0.64 percent.

    That percentage of the world’s population equals 47 million people, including two million Americans.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  210. Sure, Gryph… South Dakota had been dropping until a month ago. They got down to 3% and now are up to 7% for positive tests. Like most Republican led states, the are getting more “positive” results.

    noel (4d3313)

  211. In Texas, caseloads soar as hospital beds dwindle and political divisions sharpen.
    Hospitals in Austin, Texas, could be “overrun” within two weeks if current trends hold, Mayor Steve Adler warned on Sunday.

    “If we don’t change the trajectory, we are within two weeks of having our hospitals overrun,” the mayor said on the CNN program “State of the Union.” He said intensive care units could fill up even sooner, perhaps within 10 days.
    ……
    ……On Tuesday, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick declared himself tired of Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease doctor. “I don’t need his advice anymore,” Mr. Patrick said.
    ……
    Judge Lina Hidalgo, a Democrat who is effectively the chief executive of Harris County, said on the ABC program “This Week” “That said, as long as we’re doing as little as possible and hoping for the best, we’re always going to be chasing this thing, we’re always going to be behind.”

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  212. Don Jr. brought his girlfriend to South Dakota for the festivities on July 3rd. And she brought the virus. Stay tuned.

    noel (4d3313)

  213. Tom Frieden, bloomberg’s soda czar, who let ebola into the country, and had a #metoo problem, if memory served, lol, montagu swallowing the haggis sans seasoning

    That Ebola, it probably killed 1 million people in Texas alone. What, 2, total, why 2 is less than 135,000. Obviously he totally did a horrible job with that extra negative 134,998 difference. If only that response had been as great as the Trump admins.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  214. you really know how to pick them

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/05/tammy-duckworth-george-washington-statues/

    lara logan who survived a bout of ebola, in liberia, was struck by the dissonance of this whole praxis

    narciso (7404b5)

  215. Who is this “you” you are referring to?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  216. residents of the state of illinois, whose chief is governor creosote,

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/07/european-mainstream-media-outraged-by-trumps-mount-rushmore-speech/

    narciso (7404b5)

  217. Re posts 172 & 173 here: Yes, Margaret Sanger supported eugenics. But then the USSC also has not acquitted itself very well on that issue.

    See the case of Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927), a decision written by Justice Holmes. There Holmes stated at 205: “Carrie Buck is a feeble minded white woman who was committed to the State Colony above mentioned in due form. She is the daughter of a feeble minded mother in the same institution, and the mother of an illegitimate feeble minded child.” In affirming the forced sterilization of Carrie Buck, Justice Holmes stated: “Three generations of imbeciles are enough.” (at 207.) http://eugenicsarchive.org/html/eugenics/static/themes/39.html

    Peter Irons, in “A People’s History of the SUPREME COURT” (1999) Penguin Books, discussed the Buck v. Bell case at 252 stating:
    “… His [Holmes] opinion reeked of the arrogance of aristocracy, and could easily have been written by Herbert Spencer. ‘It is better for all the world,’ Holmes pontificated, ‘if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind.’ [P] Five decades later, a journalist who tracked down Carrie Buck and dug into old records discovered that she had been committed to Virginia’s ‘State Colony for Epileptics and Feeble Minded’ only because she had been raped by the eminent doctor who employed her as a housekeeper. Her daughter, Emma, was a perfectly normal child, and the ‘eugenic expert’ who recommended her sterilization was later honored by the German Nazi regime for helping draft its ‘Race Hygiene’ law, which laid the tracks that ended in the gas chambers of Auschwitz and other death camps. Holmes knew nothing about the scientific fallacies of the ‘eugenic’ movement; more important, he did not feel any duty to look behind the fabricated record in the Buck case.”

    And see the case of Stump v. Sparkman, 435 U.S. 349 (1978). There, Judge Harold Stump was sued by fifteen-year-old Linda Kay (Spitler) Sparkman, because without her knowledge or consent she was sterilized, after Judge Stump granted a “PETITION TO HAVE TUBAL LIGATION PERFORMED ON MINOR AND INDEMNITY AGREEMENT” brought by the mother-Ora Spitler McFarlin’s attorney and signed an order for the sterilization. The “petition” claimed she Linda was “somewhat retarded.” Linda Spitler never appeared in court, never had counsel, never had a chance to appeal, and never even knew what happened – as she was falsely told she was going to the hospital – to have her appendix removed.
    Justice Byron White (joined by Chief Justice Burger and Associate Justices Blackmun, Renquist and Stevens) wrote Stump v. Sparkman, which reversed the appellate court’s denial, and upheld the federal trial court’s grant of absolute judicial immunity for Judge Stump. Justice White’s decision is absent of any Constitutional authority for the immunity. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/435/349/

    To their credit, Justice Stewart (joined by Justices Marshall and Powell) dissented. At p.365 Justice Stewart wrote:
    “… and I think that what Judge Stump did on July 9, 1971, was beyond the pale of anything that could sensibly be called a judicial act.” [continued at 369:] “The petitioners’ brief speaks of ‘an aura of deism which surrounds the bench …’ Though the rhetoric may be overblown, I do not quarrel with it. But if aura there be, it is hardly protected by exonerating from liability such lawless conduct as took place here. And if intimidation would serve to deter its recurrence, that would surely be in the public interest. (ftnt.9 omitted.)”
    Aura of deism? Such lawless conduct?

    The underlying appellate decision Sparkman v. McFarlin, 552 F.2d 172 (7th Cir. 1977), a 3/0 opinion by Judges Swygert (joined by Judges Wood and East), held Judge Stump did not have immunity and did not have jurisdiction to sterilize young Linda Spitler. At p.174 Judge Swygert wrote:
    “…Although this grant of judicial power is broad, we cannot accept the assertion that it cloaks an Indiana Circuit Court judge with blanket immunity. He may not arbitrarily order or approve anything presented to him in the form of an affidavit or petition.”
    At p.176 Judge Swygert held that to order sterilization under the circumstances here:
    “…we would be sanctioning tyranny from the bench. There are actions of purported judicial character that a judge, even when exercising general jurisdiction, is not empowered to take.(ftnt, 7 – omitted). … [P] Finally, the petition and order were never filed in court. This kind of purported justice does not fall within the categories of cases at law or in equity.”
    Never filed in Court? We would be sanctioning tyranny from the bench? Tyranny – that is exactly what the Supreme Court justices committed in Stump v. Sparkman when they reversed Judges Swygert, Wood and East, giving immunity to Judge Stump.
    Liberty & Truth require constant vigilance. GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (a1521c)

  218. Putin’s news agency puts Trump’s visage on Mount Russia-More.
    To date, Trump has not said one critical word about Putin’s pay-bounties-to-Talibaners-to-kill-Americans scheme. Dead silence.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  219. Beyoncé is not even African American.

    These MAGA guys keep going back to what race people are, where they are really from, like it’s some insidious plot to uncover. Reminds me a lot of the MAGA claims that anyone simply admitting reality about Trump must be a secret Hillary or Biden worshiper (overlooking that Trump is the secret Hillary/Epstein/Communist Dictator fanboy).

    Trump is more like Jane Fonda than Ronald Reagan. He would pose on AA guns for Putin.

    Dustin (b62cc4)

  220. I doubt Trump even knows about it

    It’s amazing how the elite Trump-boosters can turn his blinding ignorance into a higher form of wisdom.
    Long ago I observed that intellectual snobbery among academic leftists led them to assert the truth of what was patently absurd. You had to be super-smart to see that reality was the opposite of what looked obvious to most people!
    I think the same thing is at play among some Trump-defenders, presuming to see a deeper truth beneath the chaotic ramblings and a logic in the word-salads. On top of that is a reverse snobbery: thinking it’s virtuous to adopt the hero-worship of a certain set of “average Americans,” however weird it looks to the smart set — and to a lot of Americans who in fact are quite ordinary in background and circumstances.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  221. To date, Trump has not said one critical word about Putin’s pay-bounties-to-Talibaners-to-kill-Americans scheme. Dead silence.

    But he hugged the flag! That’s proof he loves America more than any president before him.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  222. I saw Tammy Duckworth on Tapper’s show this AM. Biden should steer clear of the gal after hearing her trafficking in a hot mess of liberal woke dreck.
    I’m back to thinking Rep. Demings is his best choice: Black, female, long successful career in law enforcement.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  223. Davethulhu (f33f98) — 7/4/2020 @ 8:44 am

    A monument to Billy Graham?

    I think “liberals” will be bothered more by Antonin Scalia (and no other Supreme Court Justice)

    Also Davy Crockett, Douglas MacArthur, George S. Patton, Jr. and maybe Booker T. Washington (who made his peace with Jim Crow and not being able to vote.)

    I see Harriet Tubman is here and Andrew Jackson is not, but Trump probably won’t get credit for that.

    Dolly Madison, if I am correct, is the person who lied to Sally Hemings promising her something (“a fine present”) if she would let her name her son born in 1805, and she named him Madison.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  224. @226: Can’t wait to hear Biden’s get tough plan on Putin and China. He must be working hard on it in his hermetically sealed bunker, where there’s been “dead silence” for weeks. Must be a zinger. I’ll bet it’s some variant on “red line”.

    beer ‘n pretzels (fbad48)

  225. So you think it is the same as Trump’s non-plan?

    DRJ (aede82)

  226. Henry Clay (on Trumps list) is also somewhat problematic.

    How;d he get on the list anyway in the first place? Abraham Lincoln somewhat admired him? Does he go with Alexander Hamilton? What about Daniel Webster? I can see why John C. Calhoun is not on the list. (Three famous Senators of the pre-1850 period, who never became president)

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  227. Well if henry clay had won, much of the west would have changed and slavery wouldnt have expanded in those territories.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  228. Can’t wait to hear Biden’s get tough plan on Putin and China. He must be working hard on it in his hermetically sealed bunker, where there’s been “dead silence” for weeks. Must be a zinger. I’ll bet it’s some variant on “red line”.

    Yeah, it will be great to hear a president do something, even mean tweet. I mean, it’s not like there’s a president now, we’ll have to wait till the office is filled to get a plan.

    Plan: a detailed proposal for doing or achieving something.

    Definitely will have to wait for Biden for that.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  229. I see Harriet Tubman is here and Andrew Jackson is not, but Trump probably won’t get credit for that.

    First of all, Trump didn’t draw up the list. Secondly, should anyone get *credit* for making a point of not selecting Andrew Jackson, for, well, anything? Is that more of the Trump low-bar standard?

    Dana (25e0dc)

  230. Can Trump Pull Off an Upset Like Harry Truman’s in 1948?

    When your presidential candidate is not doing well, it’s not uncommon to look around for historical analogies in which a similarly downtrodden candidate has made a dramatic comeback to win. Until recently, Donald Trump fans needed to look no further than his own improbable victory in 2016. But now it’s beginning to dawn on Trump supporters that Joe Biden is not Hillary Clinton, the object of decades of intense demonization by conservatives, nor is the president an insurgent challenger, much as he might want to pose that way to prevent a “referendum” on his tenure in November. In addition, Biden’s polling leads over Trump both nationally and in battleground states are beginning to exceed anything Clinton enjoyed at similar points in the election cycle.

    So observers looking about for an example Trump might yet emulate are going back 68 years, to Harry Truman’s upset reelection win over Thomas Dewey.
    ……
    …… Here are some factors that fed into the 1948 shocker that might distinguish them from today’s circumstances:
    …….
    But if anyone gets out to an untenable early lead on November 3, it’s likely to be Trump. Thanks to his relentless attacks on voting by mail, Republicans may disproportionately vote in person, casting the first votes to be counted in most states. Hours, or days, or even weeks later, late mail and provisional ballots, which tend to skew Democratic, may wipe out early Trump leads in battleground states, if they occur at all.
    …….
    Long article comparing and contrasting 1948 polling, candidates, campaigns, and turnout with 2020.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  231. 230,

    I’m still waiting for Trump’s plan. Can you point me to it?

    Dana (25e0dc)

  232. So you think it is the same as Trump’s non-plan?

    I think it’s likely to be the same as Obama’s non-plan, during which Biden spent eight of his 48 years in government.

    I guess you liked that plan.

    Surely, after 48 years, Biden will whip up something impressive.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7b79e1)

  233. I’m still waiting for Trump’s plan. Can you point me to it?

    Let’s go in chronological order. Remind me what Obama/Biden’s plan was.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7b79e1)

  234. How in the heck do no govt. employees get laid off? what a fricken scam on me. these azz wipes from the irs better beware of Walter, he can get to the gate in 1.4 seconds. The check aint gonna be in the mail mutha frickers.

    mg (8cbc69)

  235. I heard the gist of anthony waynes story, but not the other two,

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/05/three-incredible-stories-of-the-american-revolution-youve-never-heard/

    narciso (7404b5)

  236. Let’s go in chronological order. Remind me what Obama/Biden’s plan was.

    Who is president now? Who has been president for 3 and a half years? Having an argument about Obama not responding to a thing that happened while Trump was president is pretty silly.

    Donald Trump is the president, today, last week, last year, the year before that. It’s pretty rich to complain about “but Obama”. I’m sure you were 100% backing up Obama when he was complaining about the Bush economy in 2011.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  237. 215. 7% of what? 7% of all tests positive? 7% of the state’s total population? And how does that relate to the death counts (which are still under 100, despite being told months ago that it would reach 1300 before Autumn)? Some context would be useful for me to determine what to make of that so-called “data.”

    Gryph (08c844)

  238. In December 2012, the United States enacted the Magnitsky Act, intended to punish Russian officials responsible for the death of Russian tax accountant Sergei Magnitsky in a Moscow prison in 2009 by 2012
    Signed in December 2012 by President Obama, the Magnitsky Act was retaliation for abuses against its namesake, Sergei Magnitsky. A Russian lawyer, Magnitsky was imprisoned for uncovering widespread, Kremlin-linked tax fraud totalling $230 million. Magnitsky eventually died from neglect and abuse in jail, which garnered a response from the U.S.

    Read more: Magnitsky Act translates to money laundering

    2014
    President Obama issued sanctions by executive order when Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. Its subsequent military aggression in eastern Ukraine led to even more sanctions. The sanctions target Russia’s energy sector.

    In March 2014, the U.S., the European Union, Canada, and other countries issued sanctions on Russia as a direct response to Russian military aggression and its annexation of the Crimean peninsula. The Obama administration issued executive orders to restrict travel to Ukraine and economic sanctions against “individuals and entities.”

    In July 2014, the U.S. joined the European Union in intensifying economic pressure on Moscow following the strike on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. American sanctions restricted transactions with Russian defense and energy firms and limited Russian banks’ access to the US economy.

    In December 2014, Obama issued further sanctions restricting U.S. goods and services to Crimea.
    2016

    In December 2016, in one of his final acts as president, Obama responded to Russian election interference, or “Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities”, and sanctioned four Russian individuals and five Russian entities.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  239. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain is the only person on Trump’s list I never heard of.

    He was a college professor at Bowdoin College in Maine turned Civil War officer. He was at the Battle of Gettysburg and at Appomattox Court House, Virginia. After the war, he was Governor of Maine, being elected four times to a 1-year term. He was president of Bowdoin College from 1871 to 1883 when he resigned because of ill health connected with his war wounds but he lived 30 more years.

    Here’s a story about him:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Chamberlain

    In January 1880, there was a dispute about who was the newly elected governor of Maine, and the Maine State House was occupied by a band of armed men. The outgoing governor, Alonzo Garcelon, summoned Chamberlain, the commander of the Maine Militia, to take charge. Chamberlain sent home the armed men, and arranged for the Augusta police to keep control. He stayed in the State House most of the twelve-day period until the Maine Supreme Judicial Court’s decision on the election results was known. During this time, there were threats of assassination and kidnapping, and on one occasion, he went outside to face down a crowd of 25–30 men intending to kill him, and both sides offered bribes to appoint him a United States senator. Having gratified neither side in the dispute, he did not become a senator, and his career in state politics ended.

    He received a deathbed promotion at the Second Battle of Petersburg in June 1864, but it took him almost fifty years to die from it. He had six operations and had to use something like a catheter, which would get infected.

    Wikipedia says:

    He was the last Civil War veteran to die as a result of wounds from the war and considered by some the last casualty of the war.

    But how does he coome to Trump’s attention?

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  240. Pretty much anything after Jan 20th 2016 was some other guys problem.

    Maybe the guy who was meeting with the Russians minimizing the impact of the sanctions. Some say, some people plead guilty to doing exactly that. I mean, “some people” who had to do with those people that took over responsibility Jan 20th 2016.

    Must be Hillary Clinton…no…Bill Clinton…no…definitely George Clinton.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  241. Jan 20th 2016, Obama was still in power, Klink.

    He may have already started surveillance of Trump’s campaign be then. Who knows.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7b79e1)

  242. 232. Narciso (7404b5) — 7/5/2020 @ 12:28 pm

    Well if henry clay had won, much of the west would have changed and slavery wouldn’t have expanded in those territories.

    You mean won in 1844? (not 1824 or 1832)

    The only times the Whigs won a presidential election was when they ran a General for president (both of whom died in office and were succeeded by a vice president with a different point of view)

    The second general was a slave holder from Louisiana but with somewhat anti slavery views, and, of course, deference to Congress, a Whig principle. (if I am right)

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  243. *by then

    beer ‘n pretzels (7b79e1)

  244. Ah, you got me. Jan 20th 2017. Point stands. Who’s president? Do you know who is president right now, and last year, and the year before last. Who is that? What’s the plan Stan?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  245. I thought it was pretty obvious, Gryph. I quoted colonel haiku when he wrote: “the percentage of positives to tests”.

    In Tx, Az, Fl as well as SD.

    Hospitalizations and deaths are a lagging indicator, of course. I would expect the fatality rate to continue to decline. Older populations have been isolating since the first outbreak and medical treatments are more effective. That doesn’t excuse the recklessness of these Republican governors.”

    noel (4d3313)

  246. ‘Almost 70 and am working as hard as I was when I was 16.’

    Reaganomics.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  247. 59. AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/4/2020 @ 11:38 am

    The team name is celebrating a fighting spirit, toughness, resilience, and a warrior ethos. Aren’t these…in the context of sport….a good thing?

    And this is, they are applying it t themselves, so it can;t be intended as an insult. It’s slang, though. Maybe somewhat similar in tone to “Paleface”

    https://www.songfacts.com/lyrics/tv-theme/f-troop

    We’re not changing names of places mostly yet, unless they are really, really, bad. They mostly want to get rid of statues, and names of buildings, teams, music bands, and institutions. And maybe getting rid of mementos, like pieces of furniture (name changing won’t help there)

    Someone satirically proposed changing the name of Yale University in a (not all that well written) ad published in the New York Times Friday.

    This is an earlier version of the ad:

    https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2020/06/cancel-yale-rename-dummer-university-roger-kimball.html

    A Solution All Right-Thinking People Can Support

    I had earlier suggested that Yale table the question of Calhoun and tackle some figures even more obnoxious to contemporary sensitivities. One example was Elihu Yale, the American-born British merchant who, as an administrator in India, was an active participant in the slave trade.

    President Salovey’s letter announcing that Calhoun College would be renamed argues that “unlike… Elihu Yale, who made a gift that supported the founding of our university… Calhoun has no similarly strong association with our campus.” What can that mean? Calhoun graduated valedictorian from Yale College in 1804. Is that not a “strong association”? (Grace Hopper held two advanced degrees from the university but had no association with the undergraduate Yale College.)

    As far as I have been able to determine, Elihu Yale never set foot in New Haven. His benefaction of some books and goods worth £800 helped found Yale College, not Yale University. And whereas the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica praises Calhoun for his “just and kind” treatment of slaves and the “stainless integrity” of his character, Elihu Yale had slaves flogged, hanged a stable boy for stealing a horse, and was eventually removed from his post in India for corruption. Is all that not “fundamentally at odds” with the mission of Peter Salovey’s Yale?

    I think every right-thinking individual should get behind the #CancelYale movement. And lest anyone complain that such movements are merely negative, that they cancel but do not replace with something new, I want to accompany #CancelYale with a concrete, positive suggestion: #DummerUniversity.

    Let me introduce you to Jeremiah Dummer, the Harvard chap who induced Yale to make his benefaction in the first place. Shouldn’t he, and not the slaver Yale, have the honor of having a (once) great university named after him? To ask the question is to answer it.

    By all means, cancel Yale. Remove the horrid name from clothing and other merchandise. But replace it with a more honorable name: Dummer. Dummer University. The Dummer School of Law. The Dummer School of Art. A Dummer degree. The name, as Gwendolen Fairfax said in a different context, produces agreeable vibrations.

    The idea has maybe sort of been around for awhile:

    https://medium.com/@capsuledesign/yale-or-dummer-f52377cd44c6

    “What’s in a name? that which we call a rose

    By any other name would smell as sweet;”

    One of the first benefactors of Yale was a gentleman named Jeremiah Dummer. The pronunciation may be “doomer” or “dooma”, but I think we can agree that in today’s culture, this name would reference a lower I.Q. It’s an unfortunate name for someone donating his hard earned British pounds to an institution of higher learning.

    So, when Elihu Yale was persuaded by Mr. Dummer to donate goods worth a small fortune, the university made a decision to take on Mr. Yale’s surname. As our tour guide so aptly pointed out, if this had not happened she would be attending Dummer University and her classmates would be called Dummies.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  248. Cases are starting to creep up in New York, too, although they may be heading back down again. There are still people who are not immune.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  249. Positive cases in NY are around 1% of total tests. Bouncing around a bit but very low.

    noel (4d3313)

  250. Washington Warriors might be a name for the football team. We have Golden State Warriors in basketball.

    They might even keep some of the same artwork.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  251. 250. So even though you, in your own words, “…expect the fatality rate to continue to decline,” you’re sticking to your guns in calling the governors with the most restraint the least responsible. Okay…?

    Gryph (08c844)

  252. Remind me what Obama/Biden’s plan was.

    It’s not hard to find. First and foremost, they took it seriously (unlike Trump’s weeks long downtalking), and fortunately they didn’t have to deal with a pandemic anywhere near the lethality or contagiousness of CV19. By contrast, the latest Trump “plan” is “we need to live with it”, which ain’t no plan, it’s a surrender.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  253. But how does he coome to Trump’s attention?

    As others have mentioned, he was featured in the film Gettysburg, based on the novel The Killer Angels (which Trump surely didn’t read, but Stephen Miller or Sean Hannity may have).

    Dave (1bb933)

  254. Obama actually did have some kind of plan, written down, with people, even in China, dedicated to this stuff. Obviously they wouldn’t have been flawless or probably even great because Government Worker bla bla, but it’s really something for Trump to trash that prep, ignore the pandemic because it would hurt the DOW, and then his fans say ‘well show me Obama’s plan lol!’

    It is remarkable how dedicated to a politician someone who professes conservatism can be. This is why I’m more and more OK with Biden winning. He is so lame that nobody in their right mind could be dedicated to him. Like with Trump, the devotion just serves to identify our nation’s struggle with mental illness.

    Dustin (b62cc4)

  255. “the most restraint”? Is that what you call it, Gryph? These governors have done the exact opposite of what was needed to keep their constituents safe. Masks, distancing, testing, tracing and avoiding crowds is “restraint”. These Republican governors are irresponsible.

    We all want to open the economy as fast as possible. They have made it more difficult and dangerous.

    noel (4d3313)

  256. Obama executed a plan for H1N1 (not that it was a good plan) and then he developed a 69-page pandemic playbook in 2016, which Trump didn’t read and certainly didn’t apply, and I’m saying this as a guy who never voted for the guy and started criticizing him for all his liberalism and dishonesties in March 2008.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  257. Yes. I do expect the overall fatality rate to decline as a percentage of infected people. At the start, NY was hit without much warning and it’s rate was very high. That would be unlikely to happen, at least in the US, again.

    noel (4d3313)

  258. 262. In hindsight, Governor Cuomo handled the spread of CoViD-19 about as badly as he could have, given his disregard for nursing home residents and emergency room staffers.

    260. You know I think the restraint was admirable, but my statement of such was merely that: a statement of fact. I know you think it was a mistake. But again, we in South Dakota were warned back in March that there would be over 1300 dead by the time Autumn rolled around. Right now, there are fewer than 100 fatalities statewide. That includes the “superspreaders” in Sioux Falls emanating from the Smithfield plant. That alone ought to breed skepticism of what the “experts” are warning us about. They’ve been wrong before.

    Gryph (08c844)

  259. In hindsight, Governor Cuomo handled the spread of CoViD-19 about as badly as he could have, given his disregard for nursing home residents and emergency room staffers.

    And deBlasio was worse. It’s a good thing they were just responsible for a state and city, just as it’s a bad thing that Trump was in charge of a nation of 330 million when the virus came down.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  260. 265. It’s always a little curious to me when I hear conservatives make arguments that amount to “The bureaucrats should have done more!”

    Gryph (08c844)

  261. 236…with mail in ballots to be such a large component of the total vote, there should be no election night news coverage or even most revelry. There should just be an FEC/CSPAN announcement of outcome on
    (wait for it) Friday November 13.

    urbanleftbehind (c0d96c)

  262. Initial estimates were just that. Of course some were off, Gryph. They were often based on data from other countries at the beginning of an outbreak.

    Who will you believe? Trump? The guy who was furthest off target. “It’s going to go down to zero”. “The risk is very, very low.” “…open up by Easter.” He said the summer heat would kill it. That guy? Or you can believe his sycophant Republican governors who are finding their virus numbers skyrocketing.

    Many of his supporters ignore the experts and accept…. Trump science. Double blind.

    noel (4d3313)

  263. Notice who are not eligible for event Trump’s “National Garden”?

    Statues should depict historically significant Americans, as that term is defined in section 7 of this order, who have contributed positively to America throughout our history. Examples include: the Founding Fathers, those who fought for the abolition of slavery or participated in the underground railroad, heroes of the United States Armed Forces, recipients of the Congressional Medal of Honor or Presidential Medal of Freedom, scientists and inventors, entrepreneurs, civil rights leaders, missionaries and religious leaders, pioneers and explorers, police officers and firefighters killed or injured in the line of duty, labor leaders, advocates for the poor and disadvantaged, opponents of national socialism or international socialism, former Presidents of the United States and other elected officials, judges and justices, astronauts, authors, intellectuals, artists, and teachers. None will have lived perfect lives, but all will be worth honoring, remembering, and studying.

    Mostly those folks whose statues are being removed, like Nathan Bedford Forrest, PGT Beauregard, Henry Benning, Braxton Bragg…maybe he could get his lady friend Roy Cohn and McCarthy in there, maybe Huey Long I’m sure is on his short list.

    Also, it will never happen as an executive order for something like this has no force at all. He’s ordering a commission, to review the possibility that maybe in the future a congress will maybe create a panel that may create legislation that would consider funding a weird park.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  264. It’s not Trump’s “National Garden”. Have you learned nothing?!

    It’s “Trump National Garden”.

    noel (4d3313)

  265. Just kidding there, Klink. But you know what I mean.

    noel (4d3313)

  266. 260. 93 vs 1300 isn’t “off.” It’s as good a guess as I could have made, and I am a medical layperson.

    And let me remind you once again, I am not a Trump supporter. I am not a Trump voter. I find Donald J. Trump to be an execrable excuse for a human being who doesn’t belong on a visit to the Oval Office, much less to be its occupant.

    All that said, how far “off” do you think the experts’ predictions guesses would have to be to discredit them?

    Gryph (08c844)

  267. Ah, I did misuse the quotation marks.

    Am I the only one that noticed the speeches from Friday/Saturday (they were the same speech) just missed the entire point of America. It’s like some bizarro version of America that would be taught in North Korea.

    Our partners in the greatest alliance in the history of the world are looking at this stuff pretty worryingly. Now, our enemies for the last 70 years are cool with it, bizarro America.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  268. who never voted for the guy and started criticizing him for all his liberalism and dishonesties in March 2008.

    That describes me too. But at least Obama had some record of commitment to principles beyond self-promotion. Not that they were all principles I would agree with, by any stretch, but he didn’t seem to view the presidency as all about drawing applause to himself. Creating that pandemic playbook for subsequent administrations demonstrates a sense of responsibility that Trump lacks. And Obama was capable of learning, which Trump is not.

    Trump has achieved the amazing feat of making me say nicer things about Obama than I once thought possible.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  269. I am aware that you are not a Trump supporter, Gryph. I didn’t mean to suggest otherwise. And you are a resident of the beautiful state of South Dakota. And a great guy too.

    All I am saying is that these governors and their leader are being irresponsible. And that initial estimates are difficult under these circumstances.

    noel (4d3313)

  270. 275. And what I am saying is if I can make a closer guess than the “experts” can when it comes to projection of fatalities in a state of fewer than 800,000 people, skepticism is called for.

    So since you did not address my question, I’ll ask it again: How far off do you think the experts would have to be in order for you to be skeptical of their claims? When September rolls around and there are still fewer than 200 deaths attributed to CoViD-19 in South Dakota, are you still going to be calling Kristi Noem “irresponsible” for not listening to the experts?

    Gryph (08c844)

  271. I don’t have to wait till September to call Kristi Noem irresponsible. I saw the petri dish event she helped orchestrate the other night. Trump’s Fauci would agree with me on that too.

    noel (4d3313)

  272. Sorry. Again… I am not suggesting you love Trump.

    noel (4d3313)

  273. 277. You’ll do it because calling her “irresponsible” fits with your preconceived notions and not even the “experts” being off by 75% in their estimates four months out will disabuse you of that notion. And when September does roll around, if I’m right, you’ll still be calling her irresponsible because you are too invested in your cowardice to admit that you were ever wrong to trust a bunch of bureaucrats with an agenda.

    I can’t imagine living with that kind of fear. I can’t fathom needing bureaucrats to tell you how to live. And yet, here we are.

    Gryph (08c844)

  274. 277. And by the by, don’t invoke Fauci as some kind of authority. The “Fauci said…” argument lost water with me a long time ago.

    Gryph (08c844)

  275. Even if her reckless event does not become a super-spreader, she set a horrible example. Ask Sen. Thune why he wears a mask on Capitol Hill. Only at Trump events do people act this stupid.

    noel (4d3313)

  276. 281. Senator Thune wears a mask on Capitol Hill because everyone does. It’s fashionable. And brave men fought and died for my right to be stupid and your right to live comfortably at home in your cowardice.

    Gryph (08c844)

  277. Just watched Hamilton on Disney.

    Great stuff.

    Dave (1bb933)

  278. I have no fear of the virus killing me, Gryph. I have neighbors, friends and even a child acquaintance that are vulnerable. And if the government doesn’t encourage some level of responsible behavior, they may die. Without those health bureaucrats, many more would perish.

    noel (4d3313)

  279. Gryph writes: “And brave men fought and died for my right to be stupid and your right to live comfortably at home in your cowardice.”

    So…. you’re stupid and I am a coward? Don’t force me to agree with the only part of that you can verify.

    noel (4d3313)

  280. We should definitely not listen to the experts who said there would be 60k deaths by October. Missed it by TTTTHHHHAAAAATTTT!!!!! MMUUUUCCCHHH!!!!!

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  281. Also freedom to be stupid, knowing that you’re doing it is?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  282. Only at Trump events do people act this stupid.

    Somehow, looting, rioting, BLM and statue toppling protests became “Trump events”.

    beer ‘n pretzels (494acc)

  283. 252-china flu

    mg (8cbc69)

  284. And Obama was capable of learning, which Trump is not.

    Before capability comes curiosity. And Trump is simply an incurious individual who has no interest in learning anything that might be challenging and take him out of his bubble. And op top of that, to be teachable requires a modicum of humility, so that puts the kibosh on him learning anything right there. No interest, no curiosity, no sense of responsibility dictating to him that he must learn for the sake of those he governs.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  285. George Washington Carver, Justice Thomas, Thomas Sowell and sheriff Bart should be in the garden.

    mg (8cbc69)

  286. Just watched Hamilton on Disney.

    Great stuff.

    I haven’t watched it yet. I really don’t care for musicals, so…

    I recently finished watching Berlin Station, which I had somehow missed. Sharp writing, compelling story lines, good acting. Richard Jenkins is a fine actor. CIA intrigue and lots of spies.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  287. And Trump is simply an incurious individual who has no interest in learning anything that might be challenging and take him out of his bubble.

    Yep, point for Biden.

    The guy just screams huge upside potential.

    beer ‘n pretzels (494acc)

  288. Not even Frederick Douglass was safe:

    On the same weekend in which famed abolitionist Frederick Douglass 168 years ago delivered one of his most historically resonant speeches, a statue of Douglass was toppled from its base and left near the Genesee River gorge.

    Located in Maplewood Park, the statue “had been placed over the fence to the gorge and was leaning against the fence” on the river side, according to a statement from Rochester police. The statue was left about 50 feet from its pedestal.

    The base and lower part of the statue was damaged, as was a finger on the statue’s left hand.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  289. 7 arrested, accused of racist harassment, illegal fireworks on Oregon coast beach
    ……..
    Lincoln City Police said the men were part of a group of 10 white people from Clark County, Washington, who had been harassing a Black family by yelling racist slurs and using Nazi salutes as people spent the holiday on the beach in front of the Inn at Spanish Head in Lincoln City.

    After officers arrived, they formed a barricade between the group and the family, allowing the family to safely leave the beach, police said.

    Members of the group, who police said were “highly intoxicated,” then began taunting the officers, challenging them to a fight and setting off illegal aerial fireworks…….

    Additional officers arrived at the beach and arrested the seven men on several charges, including riot, interfering with police, disorderly conduct, harassment, possession of illegal fireworks and offensive littering.

    Gennadiy Kachankov, Antoliy Kachankov, Andrey Zaytsev, Oleg Saranchuk, Ruslan Tkachenko and Yuriy Kachankov, all from Clark County, were arrested Saturday and later released,
    ………

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  290. Well, beer’n pretzels,

    He may not have the sharpest of minds, and may even be a bit cognitively impaired, but I think we know that if he would seek out those who are experts and advisors on various matters to become more fully informed and learn about the issue before speaking out on it.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  291. Yep, point for Biden.

    Dana did not mention Biden in that comment. It is sad, after four years of Trump, not to run on Trump’s performance. Trump is the story of this election.

    The last few years, the Russian propaganda, the collusion, the Epstein stuff, the obstruction, the racism, the lying, enough people losing their jobs to equal 37 states of people, hundreds of thousands dead. That’s real.

    No wall. No conservative Supreme Court. No balanced budget. No victory on terror. No progress with Iran or North Korea or China. That’s real too.

    Anyone who isn’t saying so is going to want to tell us the real issue is some fantasy they have of Biden that isn’t real.

    Dustin (b62cc4)

  292. It’s always a little curious to me when I hear conservatives make arguments that amount to “The bureaucrats should have done more!”

    Except I didn’t make that argument, Gryph. Mine is this: Our elected officials should be competent and have decent judgment.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  293. beer ‘n pretzels,

    At the very least, we can at least agree that Biden wouldn’t suggest using a disinfectant be used as a miracle drug, right?

    Dana (25e0dc)

  294. Not even Frederick Douglass was safe:

    Who did this one, BLM protesters, or protesters of BLM?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  295. 298. I wasn’t directing that at you personally, necessarily. But it is an argument I have heard “conservatives” make in so many words, particularly in the NeverTrump professional pundit crowd.

    284. Then you can decide how you want to live your life around those who you know to be vulnerable. The one thing I can say with absolute, 100%, and unflagging certainty is, you and all your loved ones will die. It’s just a matter of when and how. I and all my loved ones will eventually shuffle off our mortal coils as well. But there is no cheating the reaper in the end.

    285. Let me put it to you this way, Noel: In my home state years ago, I agitated against a law to ban smoking in bars and restaurants even though I don’t smoke. I also joined a group whose intent was to circulate a petition to legalize recreational marijuana in South Dakota (which never happened for reasons I don’t care to elaborate on) even though I don’t touch the stuff and probably wouldn’t if it were legal here.

    If you can’t defend someone else’s right to do stupid stuff, you should at least be able to accept it. And if you can’t accept someone else’s right to do stupid stuff, you need to rethink your idea of freedom.

    Gryph (08c844)

  296. ….progress with Iran or North Korea or China.

    What progress? Trump’s bromances with Kim and Xi have yielded nothing-NK still has nuclear weapons and China acts against its own people with impunity and is replacing US influence in Asia, Africa, and now Europe. The odds are NK and/or Iran will take a provocative action between now and October. Both countries have nothing to lose.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  297. 298. Also worth noting: Fauci, Birx, et. al aren’t elected officials, to begin with. It’s their judgement I question far more than Trump although I don’t question their intelligence. I question their agenda.

    Gryph (08c844)

  298. @297-
    I misread your post. Sorry.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  299. Klink – is it racist to whistle dixie?

    mg (8cbc69)

  300. Klink, the report didn’t say. It did say that there was no graffiti or any other vandalism in the area.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  301. ‘We all need to come together’: Ernst distances herself from Trump’s rhetoric
    Sen. Joni Ernst, an Iowa Republican up for reelection in November, on Sunday sought to distance herself from President Donald Trump’s fiery rhetoric over the weekend regarding nationwide protests and the removal of symbols associated with America’s racist past.
    ……..
    Asked Sunday on CNN‘s “State of the Union” if she was comfortable with the president’s language in recent days, given that she will be on the ballot with him in less than four months, Ernst argued there exists a “great level of frustration across the United States all the way around.”

    But the senator also acknowledged that “we do have blemishes in our history and we need to come together and have some very hard discussions about our past.”
    ………
    Too little, too late.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  302. Yes, Dana, I would agree that Biden wouldn’t suggest that.

    He would do what any near octogenarian with 48 years in politics would do. Defer to focus groups and self-anointed experts before saying or doing anything.

    That way, you don’t make dumb mistakes — like getting into a gulf war based on bogus intelligence from “experts”, or surveilling on private citizens based on bogus evidence from “experts”, or allowing confidential information to get on a pedophile’s laptop because you had “experts” set up a private server.

    Thank heavens Trump failed so we can go back to rule by “experts” and get back in course. What course? Dunno.

    beer ‘n pretzels (494acc)

  303. People who know the “Law of the Farm” rise high above you people from “The School of Law”

    mg (8cbc69)

  304. Probe opened as Las Vegas bettors exploit error in international baseball bets

    A few Las Vegas bettors uncovered a scenario last weekend that raises questions about opportunity versus ethics. They exploited a mistake by BetMGM and wagered on baseball games that had already started, thus giving them an incredibly strong chance to win tens of thousands of dollars.

    The errors could cost the operator nearly a quarter-million dollars because of approximately 50 questionable wagers, including a 10-leg parlay netting $137,000, a source told ESPN…….
    ……
    Nearly all suspicious wagers occurred at Bellagio sportsbook self-bet kiosks between 1:30 a.m. and 3 a.m. PST this past Sunday morning, according to a source, and all involved baseball games in the KBO League and the Chinese Professional Baseball League. The games actually began at 1 a.m. and 2 a.m., but the BetMGM software posted incorrect start times due to a manual entry error. That enabled the software to accept wagers well after the games started.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  305. 311. My sympathy for the casinos is nil. They exploit people all the damn time legally and then seek a legal remedy when the tables turn. Screw ’em.

    Gryph (08c844)

  306. Yes that is unsurprising, like wrestling outcomes

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/05/mollie-hemingway-mask-wearing-media/

    Narciso (7404b5)

  307. Um category error is rampant

    Want to clue us in on the subject of the thing you are misrepresenting?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  308. Yes that is unsurprising, like wrestling outcomes

    Want to clue us in on the subject of the thing you are misrepresenting?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  309. “I recently finished watching Berlin Station,”

    I just started season 3…..definitely a well-written show. I think I would still rate Homeland above it….but it’s well cast….and paced.

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca)

  310. Mad Anthony Wayne and the Storming of Stony Point
    The son of Irish immigrants, Anthony Wayne was among the first to answer the calls to fight for independence. A friend of Marquis de Lafayette and Benjamin Franklin, the rowdy Irishman soon gained a reputation for fierceness in battle and became one of Gen. George Washington’s most trusted commanders.

    In 1778, Washington’s forces were in dire straits after a string of defeats. Pushing deeper inland, the British forces seized control of the Hudson River as part of a strategy to pin down Washington’s army. The river crossing was protected by a well manned British fort named Stony Point, which was surrounded by water on three sides. The hilltop was further fortified with hundreds of men, cannons, and earthen work defenses.

    Washington asked his Irish companion if he could take the fort, despite being outnumbered. Wayne retorted, “Issue the orders, sir, and I will storm hell.”

    Lacking the men to take the fort in a conventional assault, Wayne split his forces in three. One was to lead a feint through the swamp by night, up the only path to the fortress in what appeared to be a conventional assault. The other two were ordered to empty their firearms.

    The night was so dark, the rebels tied white papers to their hats so they could tell themselves apart from the imperial soldiers.

    With nothing but bayonets, hundreds of men silently waded through the low tide on each side of the peninsula fortress. Distracted by the forward feint, the British commanders didn’t realize what was happening until the patriots surrounded them. The Irishman’s forces were now too close to the hill for the British to effectively use their cannons. Now in close quarters, Wayne personally charged the fortress with an unloaded musket against a hail of fire.

    The unexpected rebel bayonet charge punched through the fortifications on both sides simultaneously, and the terrified British regulars began to surrender en masse. The fort, and the river with it, was again in American hands. In the complete attack, Wayne lost 15 men, and was himself shot in the charge. In total, more than 550 British soldiers surrendered.

    Despite seeing his own men slaughtered by the British after surrendering earlier in the war, Wayne treated each redcoat with honor, earning praise from both sides. For the extraordinary act of leading a night charge on a high ground fort with only a bayonet, he earned the moniker “Mad Anthony Wayne,” a nickname he’d proudly use for the rest of his life.

    When Washington came to the injured general to congratulate him after the battle, Wayne stated, “Our officers and men behaved like men determined to be free.”

    Mad Anthony Wayne fought through the remainder of the war as a brigadier general and went on to be one of the nation’s first congressmen from Georgia.

    mg (8cbc69)

  311. I saw deep state with marc strong, a little tin foiley, but well acted and good set pieces.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  312. Betting schemes, democratic primaries,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  313. People who know the “Law of the Farm” rise high above you people from “The School of Law”

    Four legs good, two legs bad?

    nk (1d9030)

  314. Theranos public offerings lincoln project financial statements

    Narciso (7404b5)

  315. I haven’t watched it yet. I really don’t care for musicals, so…

    I’ve never cared for musicals either – I’ve watched exactly two in my whole life, and the second was today. (The other was Wicked which I went see in LA about 12-13 years ago).

    It’s really well done.

    Dave (1bb933)

  316. My neighbors’ dog, a palm-sized Scottie, actually does say “Arf!”

    nk (1d9030)

  317. We did into the woods in college, in the 90s

    Narciso (7404b5)

  318. Excitable Andy is right:

    Genocide is not measured simply by the number of human beings in a demographic group who have been killed. Such numbers vary. The pogroms in Europe of the 14th century killed far, far fewer Jews than died in the 20th-century Holocaust, but it would be crazy not to see a very similar eliminationist impulse. It’s the genocidal intent that defines a genocide. The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum defines it as “the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.” Their definition includes the following five categories:
    1. Killing members of the group.
    2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.
    3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.
    4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.
    5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
    There is no doubt at this point that communist China is a genocidal state. The regime is determined to coerce, kill, reeducate, and segregate its Uighur Muslim population, and to pursue eugenicist policies to winnow their ability to sustain themselves. The Associated Press just published an exhaustive and chilling account of the extent of the campaign, which was reportedly supported and seconded by the president of the United States when speaking with President-for-life Xi.

    I never thought I’d see the day that an American president would support a form of genocide, but the AP article presented a solid case. The sad part is that Pompeo has been consistently critical of the Xi regime’s treatment of the Uighers, but there’s been stone-cold silence from Trump on the matter.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  319. China was responsible for 60 million dead and we looked past because markets,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  320. The final paragraph is good, too…

    It’s time we treated China as the rogue dictatorship it is. When a totalitarian nation is enacting genocide, has a dictator for life, is showing itself to be a health menace to humankind, has crushed an island of democracy it pledged to protect, and is militarily acting out against its neighbors, we cannot continue as normal. The type of response we take is up for debate, but that things have changed for the worse is unmistakable. Granting asylum to all Hong Kongers in the U.S., as the U.K. has now promised, would be a start. This is a classic asylum case — like Cuba’s. But the delusions and weaknesses of the Trump years need to end. Biden needs to tell us what our future policy should be, and what actions we can take to rein in this genocidal obscenity.

    Trump’s instincts were right about being more confrontational with China, but in practice he’s stupid and inconsistent, lavishing praise for Xi but using brainless tariffs as some sort of prescription, and turning a blind eye to a pandemic while trying to hang on to part of a trade deal.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  321. Uighurs tibetans you could fill the yangtze and every other river with the blood spilled in the last century

    Narciso (7404b5)

  322. Whats a better tool than tariffs obamas enchanted words, bidens bafflegrab.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  323. Only stalin came close with 40 million dead, including the holomodor that garrett jones and malcolm muggeridges glimpsed

    Narciso (7404b5)

  324. China was responsible for 60 million dead and we looked past because markets,

    We helped liberalize their economy, thus pulling millions and millions out of poverty, with the hope that they would liberalize politically, but then Xi the Confucian came along. Now? F*ck Xi and f*ck the Chinese Communist Party.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  325. Ive made a study of atrocity cheka khmer (that was the gift of nixon embracing mao)turbas derge et al.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  326. As I recall, Mao’s cultural revolution killed 30 to 50 million fellow Chinese, and that doesn’t count the millions he killed aside from that atrocity.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  327. And xi has studied maoismbut his is more a personal cult, untied to confucianism

    Narciso (7404b5)

  328. @292. ‘On The Town’ – ‘Singin’ In The Rain’ – ‘Yankee Doodle Dandy’ –‘The Music Man’ – ‘A Hard Day’s Night’ — ‘1776’…

    ???

    You’re missing a good thing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  329. Narciso (7404b5) — 7/5/2020 @ 7:44 pm

    And just think, Anita Dunn is a big fan of Mao.

    felipe (023cc9)

  330. So is susan rosenberg remember her?

    Narciso (7404b5)

  331. I was not stupid enough to believe anything that came from Trump and his “best people”, so they might as well have whistled Dixie as far as my safety precautions are concerned.

    So, if they had been suggesting the correct things, and you ignored them, it would have been their fault?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  332. A month ago, Dana wrote about the black family that was racially harrassed at a campsite near Forks, WA, and now there’s another story about a black family getting racially harrassed in Lincoln City, OR. The strange difference is that all seven perpetrators arrested have Russian surnames.

    Paul Montagu (68d887)

  333. If someone coughs on you, versus coughing near you and away from you, perhaps into their elbow, do you perceive a difference?

    If so, congratulations, you are smart enough to know why masks protect others.

    Russian trolls change the subject from this to why the masks are an oppression on our freedoms. Because they hope you and your loved ones die.

    Dustin (b62cc4)

  334. Deep State episode 1 was pretty good.

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca)

  335. Interesting article at TheResurgent by David Thornton: “The Republican Race Problem”. It’s a provocative piece….but thoughtful. I wonder when the GOP will collectively return to thoughtful. It’s exhausting watching so many trying to make a dentist drill into Mozart.

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca)

  336. Well marc strong makes any script better, even shazaam ok not green lantern or john carter.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  337. Give up on law enforcement, give up on our flag surrender to a gang of extortionists led by a white marxist terrorist, how much more do you want to surrender

    Narciso (7404b5)

  338. AJ_Liberty,

    I watched all three seasons, and liked the first one best. Season two was a bit anti-American, and. Y Season 3, you couldn’t miss it. A shame too because it’s a well done show.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  339. Paul Montagu,

    That’s really awful. The poor family. That’s interesting though about the perpetrators being a group of Russians…

    Dana (25e0dc)

  340. A positive about the china flu is parents are homeschooling. Many kids will never go back to the con of public education. I know my granddaughter will be homeschooled to LOVE the USA, not hate it.

    mg (8cbc69)

  341. Glad to hear after 47 years of dragging his feet in d.c. dementia joe will fix racism in 4 years. What happened being vice president under barry? pathetic pos.

    mg (8cbc69)

  342. segregation was bad, i know, i was part of it.
    joe biden.

    mg (8cbc69)

  343. Two examples of the media going out of the way to get things wrong this week:

    1) Trumps speech being cast as dark and devisive:

    Lyndsey Fifield
    @lyndseyfifield
    I just watched President Trump’s remarks at Rushmore.

    I was a founding member of Never Trump.

    There was literally nothing “dark” “divisive” about this speech.

    @nytimes
    has never been so brazen or obvious in their manipulation.

    _

    and

    2) The divergence of the new cases spike as opposed to deaths.

    Lena
    @LenaBoschUS
    The divergence of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths in the United States.

    With early cases a lot of the detection was happening when people got sick and went to the hospitals. For the cases that ended in fatalities, the detection date and death date were fairly close together. [graph]

    https://twitter.com/LenaBoschUS/status/1279787871302385665?s=20
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  344. 353. I wish people were as giddy about pointing out the ways Dr. Fauci has been wrong.

    Gryph (08c844)

  345. Why do see the National Restaurant Association more than Trump’s reelection campaign behind the Covid-19 denialism?

    nk (1d9030)

  346. Good question

    According to reporting including @MeetThePress, Trump called Putin 6 times in 2 months – March 30th, April 9th, April 10th, April 12, May 7th, June 1 ! That would be a crazy number of calls to any foreign leader. But to Putin? What on earth were they discussing? So strange.

    The conversations occurred after the Feb 27th PDB on Putin’s bounties, the one that Trump didn’t read.

    Paul Montagu (e2c658)

  347. Crazy to the left of me…

    At this NYC Ed. Council meeting, member Robin Broshi (@EastSideGadfly) criticizes her white colleague for having his friend’s non-white nephew on his lap.
    Claiming this “racist” act “hurts people” and “makes them cry,” Broshi tells him to read Robin Diangelo’s White Fragility.

    insanity to the right

    A woman in Arizona was so upset with Target for selling face masks that she attacked the display.
    When police came to her house later things got very strange.

    To paraphrase a famous quote, the pandemic doesn’t cause mental illness, it reveals it.

    Paul Montagu (e2c658)

  348. anything else happening around that time, montagu, know we had dispatched 300 wagner corps in eastern syria, nearly the iraq border crossing,

    narciso (7404b5)

  349. Biden’s 245 word,97 second long Fourth of July statement may be the most anti-American speech ever given by an American presidential candidate. He omits the Creator in his shortened version of the Declaration of Independence.

    — newtgingrich (@newtgingrich) July 5, 2020

    Biden worships racism, blames America and has wholeheartedly accepted the radical left’s beliefs and goals.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  350. Strongs ex mi 6 operative, supposedly killed a david kelly type, they subsequently called in a drone strike on the beach side home of a supposed whistleblower, that’s all in season 1 I don’t know how it could be more antiamerican, of course they think a deal with iran, is the best thing since sliced bread,

    narciso (7404b5)

  351. dr evil is generally not effective except as a back stabbing weasel, who cofounded the mercury partner, who reps russian, turkish qatari interests,

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/05/never-trump-republicans-plot-give-democrats-senate-majority/

    narciso (7404b5)

  352. https://amgreatness.com/2020/07/05/an-industry-of-untruth/

    As always, VDH is worth reading in full.

    The truth is that the COVID-19 epidemic, the lockdown, and the rioting were seen by the Left, the media, and now the Democratic Party as a renewed effort in this election year to do what Robert Mueller, Ukraine, and impeachment had not—abort the presidency of Donald Trump, or make it impossible for him to be reelected.

    So Trump was to be reconfigured as a racist responsible for the death of George Floyd. Then he was smeared as a Herbert Hoover who supposedly crashed the economy all on his own. And then he became a Typhoid Mary purveyor of death who sickened and killed tens of thousands of Americans at his rallies in a way millions at left-wing protests did not.

    To that end, almost daily, entire fantasies were birthed, floated, crashed, and then were replaced by new hoaxes. The strategy was that while one lie might be refuted, the bigger and more numerous the lies, the more a continuous narrative could be fabricated.

    Consequently, the last two weeks, in succession we were told by the media that a noose was left in a NASCAR garage as a racist threat to NASCAR’s only major African-American driver, typical of Trump’s racist America; that Donald Trump, in dejection and self-incrimination, was soon to quit rather than face the humiliation of a landslide defeat in November; that the president knowingly rejected intelligence that the Russians were paying bounties on American soldiers in Afghanistan, as part of his obeisance to Vladimir Putin; and that Trump went to Mount Rushmore to honor racist presidents and dishonor sacred Native American land.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  353. anything else happening around that time, montagu, know we had dispatched 300 wagner corps in eastern syria, nearly the iraq border crossing,

    Why would Trump talk to Putin about that? Our president already cut and ran from eastern Syria when he betrayed the Syrian Kurds.

    Paul Montagu (e2c658)

  354. 363 – You’d think a few Never-Trumpers might even have the scruples to speak out.

    Not many so far.
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  355. RIP – Ennio Morricone
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  356. VDH is a gasbag Trump apologist, and so is Newt.

    Paul Montagu (e2c658)

  357. Trump tweet: “Has @BubbaWallace apologized to all of those great NASCAR drivers & officials who came to his aid, stood by his side, & were willing to sacrifice everything for him, only to find out that the whole thing was just another HOAX? That & Flag decision has caused lowest ratings EVER!”

    Why would anyone think he’s a racist?

    noel (4d3313)

  358. 363 – You’d think a few Never-Trumpers might even have the scruples to speak out.

    Not many so far.

    You’d think some Trumpers might have the scruples to recognize the deep moral ugliness of a president who tweets something like this:

    Has @BubbaWallace apologized to all of those great NASCAR drivers & officials who came to his aid, stood by his side, & were willing to sacrifice everything for him, only to find out that the whole thing was just another HOAX? That & Flag decision has caused lowest ratings EVER!

    The most they’ll do is say the wish he would tweet less.
    Bubba was not the one who installed the rope or reported it. But in Trump’s mind, apparently, the black guy must be the villain. And the “Flag” that Trump is so concerned about is the Confederate flag.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  359. #369 — I was slowly posting while you beat me to the mark.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  360. Fox News Crops Trump Out of Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell Photo

    Fox News apparently cropped President Donald Trump out of a photograph with Jeffrey Epstein on Sunday, during the network’s coverage of the arrest of Ghislane Maxwell.

    The edited photo aired on America’s News Headquarters while anchor Leland Vittert reported on Maxwell’s arrest and the charges against her in connection with Jeffrey Epstein’s child sex crimes. Vittert interviewed Jordan Merson, an attorney for several of Epstein’s accusers, and the network aired [a] photo of Maxwell and Epstein (and part of First Lady Melania Trump).

    That photo was partially cropped when it aired on Fox. […]

    [T]he full version shows Maxwell and Epstein standing next to President Donald Trump and then Melania Knauss at Mar-a-Lago. The photo was taken in 2000, when the future president and first lady were dating.

    FakeNews for me, but not for thee!

    Dave (1bb933)

  361. #363 — Recognizing that there’s some over-the-top blaming of Trump for everything doesn’t cancel out the manifold sins of Trump, nor does it excuse his own declarations that he takes “no responsibility” for any failure or shortcoming, while he attacks countless other people as incompetent losers, and whines about being a victim who’s always treated unfairly.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  362. The most they’ll do is say the wish he would tweet less.
    Bubba was not the one who installed the rope or reported it. But in Trump’s mind, apparently, the black guy must be the villain. And the “Flag” that Trump is so concerned about is the Confederate flag.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c) — 7/6/2020 @ 8:20 am

    No. But he is the idiot who doubled down when it was proven he wasn’t a target and it was just a pull rope, but he insisted on calling it a noose and taking the mantle of “victim.”

    I know all the newfound celebrity and praise from pundits and real sports stars was hard for him to resist. But a better man would have done so.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  363. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/07/05/tell-it-to-tojo-protesters-scream-america-was-never-great-as-they-burn-the-flag-at-wh-n607419

    More leftist heroes trying to remake America in China’s name. Mao’s Red Guard on the march.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  364. https://www.thecollegefix.com/my-professors-tried-to-convince-me-that-america-is-racist-i-refused-to-buy-into-it/

    He was able to resist the indoctrination. Unfortunately, too many are unable to resist and end up loving Big Brother.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  365. 377… well said, Rob!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  366. when push comes to shove mr president donald will send a fully armed battalion to remind you of his love

    why should he take responsibility for anything

    people just aren’t thinking this through

    Dave (1bb933)

  367. 367… another leftist exposed…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  368. “But he is the idiot who doubled down when it was proven he wasn’t a target and it was just a pull rope”

    He wasn’t the target but it was absolutely a noose.

    Davethulhu (b5d57e)

  369. 376… how can you improve yourself? Think of your shortcomings and make a plan for corrective action.

    YTML…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  370. 383… barely large enough to hang a squirrel…

    But seriously… nearly every stall has a pull rope for the door. This was an opportunity for NASCAR to join the virtue signaling mob.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  371. https://unherd.com/2020/07/americas-cultural-revolution-is-familiar-to-the-chinese/?

    For instance, the Red Guards of 1968 often came from privileged backgrounds. The first groups emerged from the elite high schools and universities in Beijing and belonged to the generation that had been born immediately after the Communist takeover in 1949. Raised on stories of revolutionary heroism and bitterly disappointed at the fact they had missed their chance to display their Red credentials.

    Hence, when Mao Zedong, for reasons of internecine party warfare, decided to claim — absurdly — that the Communist Party was filled with bourgeois counter-revolutionaries, the young students saw their chance to achieve revolutionary greatness. The Red Guards thus went out, seeking to root out imaginary class enemies from within.

    Similarly, today’s revolutionary vanguard is also made up of young, well-educated people, a disproportionate number hailing from elite educational institutions and working within elite professions. They grew up at a time of unprecedented progress in race relations, but it meant the main action was already over when they were coming of age.

    Thus, the idea that elite Anglo-American institutions are filled with closeted racists, absurd though it is to anyone who has worked in them, became an article of faith overnight. Whether it is in newsrooms, universities or progressive advocacy groups, the hunt for secret racists gives these would-be Selma marchers a sense of purpose.

    Then as now, the initial response from the establishment was largely positive. After all, the cause they were asked to endorse was a worthy one,

    Well worth reading in full. To paraphrase from the post, “History may not repeat, but it certainly rhymes.”

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  372. He wasn’t the target but it was absolutely a noose.

    Davethulhu (b5d57e) — 7/6/2020 @ 8:59 am

    No. A noose has a specific purpose, to hang someone or simulate someone being hanged. This was a pull rope tied in a style that was similar. Do you want to ban knots too?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  373. Trumps speech being cast as dark and devisive

    As one could see so many of the usual media suspects using the same descriptive words to denounce Trump’s pro-America Rushmore speech, one understands he laid bare what the excremental Left is all about. And being honestly characterized upsets these douchebags.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  374. “But seriously… nearly every stall has a pull rope for the door. ”

    And none of them were tied into loops, much less nooses.

    “No. A noose has a specific purpose, to hang someone or simulate someone being hanged. ”

    Lol what an absurd argument. Here’s a thought experiment for you: Tie a thin string into a “noose style knot” and then leave it on a black co-worker’s desk. Then tell HR that it’s not a noose because it’s too small.

    Davethulhu (b5d57e)

  375. #367 — but it wasn’t a “hoax,” as Trump claims.
    And Trump still thinks the black guy should apologize to all the white people for the inconvenience they suffered in rallying to him when it wasn’t yet known to be a simple mistake.
    And Trump is still offended that NASCAR has banned the Confederate flag.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  376. This is a noose: https://i.imgur.com/6Uo2qeQ.jpg

    Davethulhu (b5d57e)

  377. Whatever Bubba did subsequently that wasn’t ideal, it doesn’t excuse the president for his public complaint that the black guy was victimizing the white people from the start.

    I have many times been critical of bad-faith charges of racism. But that doesn’t mean Trump was right to tweet what he did.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  378. 357… you’re bound to see some insanity in a nation of around 328,000,000. Perhaps no one suspected just how many crazies were out there until the events of 2020 unfolded. Given the state of much of public education in heavily populated urban centers, it’s priorities and focus on painting the USA as a deeply racist nation founded by despicable, no good, racist slave owners, is it any surprise.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  379. No. A noose has a specific purpose, to hang someone or simulate someone being hanged. This was a pull rope tied in a style that was similar. Do you want to ban knots too?

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/6/2020 @ 9:10 am

    This is dumb. I mean really really dumb.

    A noose is a type of knot. Someone tied the garage pull into that type of knot. There are clear pictures of it. Therefore they tied it into a noose.

    Time123 (6e0727)

  380. 391… people looking to be offended will always find something to offend them. The feeling of being a victim is enticing to some.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  381. #388 — He read a speech written by other people. He has a very short history of seeming to be concerned about what the left is doing to America, and a shallow understanding of what America is. He thinks it’s pro-America to pardon a war criminal whose subordinates testified against him. He likes monuments, but mostly he wants to see his face carved on Mt. Rushmore. That’s why he went there, to pose for pictures as though he were already on it.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  382. https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS-USA/0100B5K8423/index.html

    State by state (can go down to the county level) Cumulative reported COVID-19 cases (official number of cases) United States coronavirus tracker.

    Note: Cases in all 5 counties of New York City are grouped together, and include probable cases, cases in Detroit are included in Wayne County, Michigan, and cases in Chicago are included in Cook County, Illinois.

    The case total for Jackson County, Missouri includes both the county cases and those reported by the Kansas City Health Department as the majority of the city lies within Jackson County.

    Total cases for Alameda County, California includes data from the city of Berkeley.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  383. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/5/planned-parenthood-accused-racism-employees-suppor/

    Couldn’t happen to a more deserving, bloodthirsty organization.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  384. 386. The Red Guards in China started in 1966, not 1968.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  385. 391… people looking to be offended will always find something to offend them. The feeling of being a victim is enticing to some.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2020 @ 9:32 am

    You just described Trump’s 2020 campaign strategy.

    Time123 (cd2ff4)

  386. Yeah, he’s sure got your ilk pegged. Keep ’em confused and lashing out.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  387. He read a speech written by other people.

    Very unusual for a politician… never been done before!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  388. To that end, almost daily, entire fantasies were birthed, floated, crashed, and then were replaced by new hoaxes. The strategy was that while one lie might be refuted, the bigger and more numerous the lies, the more a continuous narrative could be fabricated.

    Consequently, the last two weeks, in succession we were told by the media that a noose was left in a NASCAR garage as a racist threat to NASCAR’s only major African-American driver, typical of Trump’s racist America; that Donald Trump, in dejection and self-incrimination, was soon to quit rather than face the humiliation of a landslide defeat in November; that the president knowingly rejected intelligence that the Russians were paying bounties on American soldiers in Afghanistan, as part of his obeisance to Vladimir Putin; and that Trump went to Mount Rushmore to honor racist presidents and dishonor sacred Native American land.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/6/20

    I like the way VDH writes and this essay is something a college professor would give an A for — it has a theme with examples, it reads well, the vocabulary is smart but not pretentious — but it doesn’t ring true. Trump may not be a racist but his words make that hard to know. Maybe he is a sloppy speaker (unlike VDH, who is happy to reinterpret or revise Trump’s meanings) or maybe he is a racist at heart. What we know is that he appeals to real racists.

    DRJ (aede82)

  389. The media probably does have partisan motives (on both sides) but there is some evidence that “Trump has encouraged racism and benefitted politically from it.”

    DRJ (aede82)

  390. Very unusual for a politician… never been done before!

    Usually they show more sign of having actually read the speech before.
    And Trump, of all presidents, is the least capable of providing intelligent substance for any speech he reads.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  391. Gryph (08c844) — 7/5/2020 @ 2:10 pm

    That alone ought to breed skepticism of what the “experts” are warning us about. They’ve been wrong before.

    They were wrong about ventilators being a good thing (now being recognized) they are wrong about hand washing and transmission by contact, they are wrong about the 6 feet limit of danger, they are wrong about no good therapeutic in sight, and ignoring monoclonal antibodies they are wrong about a vaccine being the best hope, they are wrong about the benefits of peer review, they were wrong about the need for a 14 day quarantine – they were wrong about just about everything.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  392. RIP Charlie Daniels

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  393. The central problem with making Trump the symbol and champion of American patriotism, or of conservatism, is that he uglifies those concepts by association with his ignorance, arrogance, selfishness, routine dishonesty, pathological narcissism, vindictiveness, absence of human empathy, etc.

    Trump gives Dems and leftists a good reason to say that conservatism really as all about selfishness and stupidity. He give radicals the grounds to say that patriotism is a shallow farce.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  394. Radegunda (cd8c8c) — 7/6/2020 @ 8:20 am

    Bubba was not the one who installed the rope or reported it. But in Trump’s mind, apparently, the black guy must be the villain.

    I think it’s just his usual way of oversimplifying things, or, possibly, of not learning any of the details in the first place.

    However, Bubba ought to apologize, at least for having put some people through something unnecessary. But that would mean blaming some people close to him for at least being too credulous. The wholle idea that white supremacists use a noose as a threatening symbol is a hoax (not really an honest urban legend)

    And the “Flag” that Trump is so concerned about is the Confederate flag.

    And the on;y thing that he thinks people should care about is ratings. It is interesting that he avoided saying what that flag was.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  395. 408. Radegunda (cd8c8c) — 7/6/2020 @ 10:13 am

    The central problem with making Trump the symbol and champion of American patriotism, or of conservatism, is that he uglifies those concepts by association with his ignorance, arrogance, selfishness, routine dishonesty, pathological narcissism, vindictiveness, absence of human empathy, etc.

    He’s no Richard Nixon.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  396. #409 — I admit that I stopped following the story after it was revealed to be a misunderstanding, and Bubba put out a statement saying that he and the other guys would rather suffer the embarrassment than have it be the worse thing they initially thought.
    That was a classy statement. Trump’s statement was emphatically not.
    I don’t know much about Bubba Watson, and like most of us he probably isn’t a faultless saint. But Trump’s posture of moral superiority over him is grotesque.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  397. Yeah, he’s sure got your ilk pegged. Keep ’em confused and lashing out.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2020 @ 9:44 am

    The projection is strong in this one.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  398. I admit that I stopped following the story after it was revealed to be a misunderstanding

    Maybe reflect on why you lost interest at that point, and let us know what you find out.

    beer ‘n pretzels (1d265b)

  399. 411. Radegunda (cd8c8c) — 7/6/2020 @ 10:24 am

    That was a classy statement. Trump’s statement was emphatically not.

    I didn;t see Bbba;s satement.

    All I know about what he said is that he said it really was a noose.

    But it was too small to be a noose.

    I don’t know much about Bubba Watson, and like most of us he probably isn’t a faultless saint. But Trump’s posture of moral superiority over him is grotesque.

    That is a big, big, problem with Trump.

    Even if some uninformed people will believe him.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  400. #413 — I don’t follow NASCAR, or sports generally (aside from snooker). The story didn’t appear again on the news feeds I was reading.
    The insinuation that I had some sinister motive for “losing interest” is completely unjustified. And I doubt that it would have been made if I were a Trump fan.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  401. That is a big, big, problem with Trump.

    Even if some uninformed people will believe him.

    Trump is so awful, so routinely, that it makes many another fault or sin look unimportant.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  402. The story didn’t appear again on the news feeds I was reading.

    Get out more.

    beer ‘n pretzels (1d265b)

  403. The central problem with making Trump the symbol and champion of American patriotism, or of conservatism, is that he uglifies those concepts by association with his ignorance, arrogance, selfishness, routine dishonesty, pathological narcissism, vindictiveness, absence of human empathy, etc.

    Donald Trump is not patriotic in the least. Doesn’t even know what it means.

    He’s a nationalist. A completely different, and much worse thing.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  404. it was a lie and he knew it, that he didn’t apologize for wasting the time of 17 fbi agents who could have been more effectively employed,

    so two qatar backed outlines aljazeera that pushes insurrection and islamism, and brookings which soft pedals both, is pushing this issue, their astroturf revolution, which they partner with the thousand currents,

    narciso (7404b5)

  405. #437 — I’m a busy person. I spend a lot of time working. I spend zero time watching TV, or drinking beer and eating pretzels.
    NASCAR is not on my list of casual interests.
    It’s really quite bizarre to insinuate that I showed a moral failure by not digging deeper into the story until I found evidence that the black guy really was the culprit.

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  406. And why is Trump so insistent that NASCAR should keep displaying the Confederate flag?

    Radegunda (cd8c8c)

  407. And why is Trump so insistent that NASCAR should keep displaying the Confederate flag?

    For the art!

    Dave (1bb933)

  408. And why is Trump so insistent that NASCAR should keep displaying the Confederate flag?

    Let me guess: Your news feeds tell you NASCAR displays the confederate flag.

    beer ‘n pretzels (906ea1)

  409. What we know is that he appeals to real racists.

    Al Jazeera for teh win… LOL!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  410. next up michael hilzik for an authoritative view

    https://spectator.us/power-putsch-leftist-neoliberal-counter-revolution/

    narciso (7404b5)

  411. President Donald Trump causes people to do the strangest things, but none is as strange as the growing determination by some Republicans to get Joe Biden elected in November, even as Biden moves further and further leftward.

    We aren’t the only ones who’ve noticed that, while the country is fixated on the coronavirus panic-demic and race riots, Biden’s agenda has shifted sharply to the socialist side of the spectrum.

    FiveThirtyEight noted a few weeks ago that “The Pandemic Has Pushed Biden To The Left. How Far Will He Go?”

    Around the same time, New York magazine reported that “Biden Is Planning an FDR-Size Presidency.”

    One Democratic consultant told The Hill that Biden has moved to the left on issues such as bankruptcy policy and college affordability, and that a Biden win, along with Democrats regaining control of the Senate, “could lead to a New Deal era of progressive policies.”

    MarketWatch recently said Biden is proposing a “radical tax plan” that “goes after the indolent rich.”

    Then there is Biden’s joining up with Sen. Bernie Sanders to create “task forces” on various issues. Biden named socialist Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, for example, as co-chair of the task force on climate change, and his health care task force is made up of single-payer advocates such as Medicare-for-All champion Rep. Pramila Jayapal.

    Worth a read… https://issuesinsights.com/2020/07/06/do-never-trump-republicans-know-how-liberal-joe-biden-has-become/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  412. Let me guess: Your news feeds tell you NASCAR displays the confederate flag.

    They fly it from all the flagpoles, right?

    OTOH, I note that some want TV’s Dukes of Hazards car removed from a museum because it has the battle flag on the roof.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  413. “it was a lie and he knew it, that he didn’t apologize for wasting the time of 17 fbi agents who could have been more effectively employed,”

    1) He didn’t initiate the investigation, NASCAR did.
    2) The only lying is the post-hoc argument that it wasn’t a noose.

    It was clearly a noose, and NASCAR was right to ask for an investigation. The fact that it had been there since 2019 proved that it wasn’t targeted at him. Further investigation by NASCAR showed that looped ropes were extremely unusual and this example with a noose was unique.

    The fact that it was unique means that it likely didn’t have a racist origin, but it also means that it’s wasn’t unreasonable to be concerned when encountering it.

    Davethulhu (b5d57e)

  414. “The wholle idea that white supremacists use a noose as a threatening symbol is a hoax (not really an honest urban legend)”

    You’re 100% wrong here.

    https://www.wbur.org/npr/531034568/noose-found-at-national-museum-of-african-american-history

    Davethulhu (b5d57e)

  415. Trump is so doomed, and the GOP is doomed with him. The Own Goal metaphor will be his legacy. Not only did he doom his presidency, but he will drive the GOP into minority status when it was a single election away from a permanent majority.

    There is still time for him to exit the scene. Just think what a Nikki-Condi ticket would do to the Democrats right about now.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  416. “Noose found”

    And the next one that isn’t a moby will be the first.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  417. “Let me guess: Your news feeds tell you NASCAR displays the confederate flag.”

    What Flag (capitalized) is Trump talking about here?

    Has @BubbaWallace apologized to all of those great NASCAR drivers & officials who came to his aid, stood by his side, & were willing to sacrifice everything for him, only to find out that the whole thing was just another HOAX? That & Flag decision has caused lowest ratings EVER!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1280117571874951170

    Davethulhu (b5d57e)

  418. They would just elevate Kamala to the top and dig up the closest thing to Jim Webb or John Edwards still on the roster for veep.

    urbanleftbehind (daa3de)

  419. Trump is so doomed, and the GOP is doomed with him. The Own Goal metaphor will be his legacy.

    Because if they had nominated Kasich, Jeb(!) or Romney, the GOP would be sitting pretty right now.

    beer ‘n pretzels (1d265b)

  420. Nikki-Condi ticket…..
    Ugh.

    Rip Murdock (41bc87)

  421. What Flag (capitalized) is Trump talking about here?

    You don’t pull off the “act dumb” pose very well, Davethulhu, and that’s a sincere compliment.

    beer ‘n pretzels (1d265b)

  422. “And the next one that isn’t a moby will be the first.”

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/conner-prout-john-havermann-hate-crime-charges-middle-school-noose/

    Davethulhu (b5d57e)

  423. 436… that’s no act! Think “Being There”…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  424. 367.VDH is a gasbag Trump apologist, and so is Newt.

    Reagan Seed.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  425. Newt yes, but VDH didnt turn until Schwarzenegger-Bustamante.

    urbanleftbehind (daa3de)

  426. Not only did he doom his presidency, but he will drive the GOP into minority status when it was a single election away from a permanent majority.

    Who could have predicted such an unimaginable turn of events!

    Dave (1bb933)

  427. Remember these predictions…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  428. I’m a Direct Descendant of Thomas Jefferson. Take Down His Memorial.
    ……
    We didn’t need the Jefferson Memorial. Monticello was enough.

    It’s still enough. In fact, as a memorial to Jefferson himself, it’s almost perfect. And that is why his memorial in Washington should be taken down and replaced. Described by the National Park Service as “a shrine to freedom,” it is anything but.

    The memorial is a shrine to a man who during his lifetime owned more than 600 slaves and had at least six children with one of them, Sally Hemings. It’s a shrine to a man who famously wrote that “all men are created equal” in the Declaration of Independence that founded this nation — and yet never did much to make those words come true. Upon his death, he did not free the people he enslaved, other than those in the Hemings family, some of whom were his own children. He sold everyone else to pay off his debts.

    In fact, some of his white descendants, including his grandson Thomas Jefferson Randolph, my great-great-great-great grandfather, fought in the Civil War in defense of slavery. ……
    …….
    I am the sixth-generation great-grandson of a slave owner. My cousins from the Sally Hemings family are also the great-grandchildren of a slave owner. But the difference is that our great-grandfather owned their great-grandmother. My family owned their family. ……

    At Monticello, you will learn …..the history of Jefferson, the slave owner. Monticello is an almost perfect memorial, because it reveals him with his moral failings in full, an imperfect man, a flawed founder.
    …….
    Lucian K. Truscott IV is the son of US Army Colonel Lucian K. Truscott III. …..His grandfather Lucian Jr was a US Army general during World War II where he commanded the 3rd Infantry Division and later the Fifth Army in Italy (played by John Doucette in Patton). His father Lucian III served in the US Army in Korea and Vietnam, retiring as a colonel.

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  429. #443…2 planes crashed into each other with 8 dead over Coeur D’Alene ID. And we all know Charlie Daniels didnt just sing and play the fiddle.

    urbanleftbehind (daa3de)

  430. Although totaled Sunday … as part of the team’s agreement with the pro-Trump Patriots of America PAC sponsor, LaJoie’s team is expected to race in a “Trump 2020″ paint scheme 8 more times this season.

    So one down, seven to go?

    felipe (023cc9)

  431. I commented a few weeks ago that I thought that Trump would try to steal some attention from Biden when he announces his VP choice by picking a woman for the Republican ticket. He is polling very badly among women and he might think it a wise move. Why not?

    Well, after his Mount Rushmore visit, guess who had a long chat with Trump on the ride back to DC aboard Air Force One? Governor Kristi Noem. And some people say…. something’s up.

    noel (4d3313)

  432. Kristi Noem. Sarah Palin 2.0, the difference is Trump is actually dumber than Palin. She was South Dakota Snow Queen, Trump loves him a beauty queen. How did that work out the last time?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  433. And some people say…. something’s up.

    He’s making a power-play for the all-important “Gryph” demographic!

    14-dimensional chess!

    Biden will never see it coming!

    Dave (1bb933)

  434. @440. He was rooted in Ronnie’s soil.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  435. I live in West Texas and reports say Texas is having a Covid outbreak, which is true in my community. Not only are cases and deaths up but there are no more tests available, except at the hospital but those are only available to staff and admitted patients. I expect the numbers of new cases will fall next week but only because there is no testing, not because there are no new cases.

    DRJ (aede82)


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