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7/1/2020

What A Difference A Day Makes: LONE WARRIOR! to LONE RANGER!

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:27 pm



[guest post by Dana]

During an interview with Fox News, the LONE WARRIOR! was asked whether he thought mask-wearing should be federally mandated. (As a reminder, the president has refused to wear a mask, claiming that he would appear weak to world leaders if he wore one, and that he doesn’t need to wear one because those around him are regularly tested for Covid. He has also publicly mocked elected officials for wearing them.) Here is the pertinent part of the exchange:

Trump replied that he didn’t think a mandatory order was necessary because “many places” in the country feature people living “very long distances” from each other. Then the president… claimed he was “all for masks.”

“I think masks are good,” he stated, prompting the Fox host to press whether he’d wear one.

“I would—I have. I mean, people have seen me wearing one,” a rambling Trump responded. “If I’m in a group of people where we’re not, you know, ten feet away but usually I’m not in that position and everyone’s tested because I’m the president, they get tested before they see me but if I were in a tight situation with people, I would absolutely.”

Burman, meanwhile, asked whether the public would see the president wear one at some point. The only instance of the president having been spotted with a face mask occurred during a May trip to a Ford plant, where Trump briefly donned a mask away from the press in a back area while viewing some classic cars.

“I mean, I have no problem. Actually, I had a mask on,” Trump said, referencing the Ford plant moment. “I sort of like the way I looked, OK? I thought it was OK. It was a dark black mask and I thought it looked OK. Looked like the Lone Ranger. But no, I have no problem with that. I think—if people feel good about it they should do it.”

Ah, I never thought about the vanity angle of wearing a mask. Silly me. When deciding whether to wear a mask in public, I weighed out nonsense factors like scientific evidence suggesting that wearing a mask could help reduce the spread of infection and common sense telling me that a barrier could limit the spread of droplets and sprays that could contain germs. Heck, I even went so far as to ask myself what it would cost me to wear one for the sake of others. And the answer was, absolutely nothing! But now, thanks to the Lone Ranger himself, I find out that all I really needed to consider when making the decision, was whether I looked hot in the mask, and felt good wearing it.

–Dana

167 Responses to “What A Difference A Day Makes: LONE WARRIOR! to LONE RANGER!”

  1. President just keeping it simple for all us rubes out here.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  2. Just when you think that rationality on testing, and kinda masking, was happening, the Trump admin decides what’s needed is to punch themselves in the jewels (PDF).

    As the pandemic worsens around the country, the Trump administration has moved to place limits on who insurers are required to cover COVID-19 tests for.

    The Trump administration made the move in a little-noticed guidance sheet released June 23 by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

    CMS said that insurers no longer have to cover COVID-19 testing when employers mandate a test before an employee can return to work, or when someone is tested as part of a public health surveillance program.

    Also note, that pesky Administrative Procedure Act that the admin keeps getting slapped about with from the courts…

    Due to the urgent need to help facilitate the nation’s response to the public health emergency posed by COVID-19, the Departments are adopting temporary policies to provide relief in connection with certain standards identified below under the conditions outlined in this guidance. The Departments therefore believe that this guidance is a statement of policy not subject to the notice and comment requirements of the Administrative Procedure Act (APA).

    For the same reasons, the Departments additionally find that, even if this guidance were subject to the public participation provisions of the APA, prior notice and comment for this guidance is impracticable and/or contrary to the public interest, and there is good cause to issue this guidance without prior public comment and without a delayed effective date.

    The coverage was specifically mandated by the CARES act, passed by Congress, signed by the President.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  3. When asked today about the fireworks jubilee being put on at Mount Rushmore for Independence Day sans mask or social distancing requirements, Antny said “Are yous guys out of your g_alld_ar_n’d minds?” Well, it wasn’t quite that, but it was about 84-85% there, whatever it takes.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  4. Col. Klink,

    IOW, he’s trying to reduce testing so the numbers look better, just like he wanted.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  5. I’m picturing Biden blurting out an all caps LONE WARRIOR!!! The memes would get so old. Proof he’s got brain damage. But with Trump it’s not even that interesting.

    Anyone see that new t shirt that looks like a nazi logo? I never thought MAGA was subtle racism, but I guess four years of pretending it wasn’t clear has created a niche for something a bit more directed.

    Ah, I never thought about the vanity angle of wearing a mask. Silly me.

    There’s a nice lady at the 7/11 where I used to stop for my free coffee who always wears really funny masks. I like that some people are having fun with it.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  6. Dana,
    I guess, or maybe the insurance companies back-doored the change to force congress to add funding so they don’t have to actually pay for it themselves, bonuses at stake and all? It would accomplish both goals, win-win. Other than putting lives in danger, what’s to lose?

    Lives, it’s the lives.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  7. People have seen him wearing one once, because the vanity is strong in that one.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  8. Tomorrow, for Every Second Matters, I will be carrying shiny new Colt Python, and a mask that says, “Why yes, that is a Python in my pocket”.

    But the mask will be over my mouth and nose, over you’re eyes it causes all kinds of problems.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  9. I am willing to give the America First logo. It’s got parallels in the seals of several branches of the US military, so I suspect that was the source of inspiration.

    Kishnevi (9eb2bb)

  10. Trump isn’t just delusional about masks…

    The White House is not planning an immediate response to intelligence reports of Russian bounties given to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. and coalition forces in Afghanistan because President Trump does not believe the reports are true or “actionable,” according to two senior administration officials.
    Trump is not convinced he should do anything about the bounty issue, which he decried in a Wednesday morning tweet as “just another made up by Fake News tale that is told only to damage me and the Republican Party.” One administration official said there is an internal White House dispute about how much information to declassify to support the president’s skepticism of the intelligence.

    And his delusions prioritize Putin over the welfare of American soldiers. Why does Trump hate the country that he became a billionaire in? And now we know the name of one of the guys who took Russian cash and gave it to Afghans to kill Americans: Rahmatullah Azizi, who is…

    …named in American intelligence reports and confirmed by Afghan officials as a key middleman who for years handed out money from a Russian military intelligence unit to reward Taliban-linked fighters for targeting American troops in Afghanistan, according to American and Afghan officials.
    As security agencies connected the dots of the bounty scheme and narrowed in on him, they carried out sweeping raids to arrest dozens of his relatives and associates about six months ago, but discovered that Mr. Azizi had sneaked out of Afghanistan and was likely back in Russia. What they did find in one of his homes, in Kabul, was about half a million dollars in cash.

    But it’s just a hoax. It’ll all go away. Except it really won’t.

    Details of Mr. Azizi’s role in the bounty scheme were confirmed through a dozen interviews that included U.S. and Afghan officials aware of the intelligence and the raids that led to it; his neighbors and friends; and business associates of the middle men arrested on suspicion of involvement. All spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid retaliation.
    U.S. intelligence reports named Mr. Azizi as a key middleman between the G.R.U. and militants linked to the Taliban who carried out the attacks. He was among those who collected the cash in Russia, which intelligence files described as multiple payments of “hundreds of thousands of dollars.” Those files were among the materials provided to Congress this week.
    Through a layered and complex Hawala system — an informal way to transfer money — he delivered it to Afghanistan for the missions, the files say. The transfers were often sliced into smaller amounts that routed through several regional countries before arriving in Afghanistan, associates of the arrested businessmen said.
    Afghan officials said prizes of as much as $100,000 per killed soldier were offered for American and coalition targets.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  11. I am willing to give the America First logo. It’s got parallels in the seals of several branches of the US military, so I suspect that was the source of inspiration.

    Kishnevi (9eb2bb) — 7/1/2020 @ 7:11 pm

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb4cwapXQAEUk-3?format=jpg&name=medium

    they can say whatever they want about the source of inspiration

    for a nation divided by racism, it’s not subtle and it doesn’t look like anything on my old army uniform or the seal of the Army.

    If Biden’s folks put out a logo that looked a lot like a hammer and sickle, it wouldn’t really matter what they claimed they were going for. We would call them idiots.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  12. Trump isn’t just delusional about masks…

    I just read that. The part that makes me laugh, in a hysterical cackle of unhappiness.

    And though the administration has sought to downplay the veracity of the intelligence, O’Brien said the CIA has asked the Justice Department to open a leak investigation on the matter.

    It’s a hoax, but even if so, prosecute the leaker of the hoax. It’s hard to take them seriously, except it’s the presidential admin, if not commiting treason, at least treason adjacent.

    If anyone has ever complained about Benghazi and said it was the single largest disqualifier for Hillary, outside of the 5,000 other things, they should be running around with their hair on fire this very moment demanding at least all of the things tossed out about her. Impeachment should be the absolute minimum, who cares if there’s an election in 4 months.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  13. I see it. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1427/9954/products/0174-5040-WH-M-2_450x.png?v=1574113233 It looks like a bad ripoff of the Marine Corps badge more than it does the Nazi eagle and swastika, I think.

    nk (1d9030)

  14. The head is facing the wrong way, the feet are off. It looks more like the Nazi logo than the Marines, but it looks more like a bad artist did a bad job without knowing a thing.

    Of course, like retweeting a white power meme, nothing would shock me. I mean, we’re talking about a group of folks that think the ‘rona is going to magically disappear, and don’t want to hear about Russia literally paying $100k for a US scalp.

    So…yeah, Trump/Nazi 2020, plausible. plausible? PLAUSIBLE!!!

    I’m so very tired, sigh. It’s not shocking, SAD!

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  15. My now 81 year old mom just texted me this.

    Hmmmm… Kaepernick is unpatriotic for taking a knee during the National Anthem to protest police brutality. What is it called when you allow your buddy to hire hit men to take out your military?

    I don’t think she actually knows who Kaepernick is.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  16. It looks like a bad ripoff of the Marine Corps badge more than it does the Nazi eagle and swastika, I think.

    Found one. The black person who supports Trump, that is. The president’s veto threat of the defense spending bill over changing Confederate-named military bases will only serve to siphon more votes from African Americans.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  17. ehhh, nk has a point and I know kishnevi is also saying the same thing. without the anchor or the text around the globe, and the scale, it’s not right for me, but y’all do have a point.

    But damn.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  18. I should have put a rick roll in that link above.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  19. The problem won’t be so much at Mt. Rushmore, it’ll be at the bars in nearby Deadwood.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  20. BTW, according to Wikipedia, “America First” as a slogan was first used by Woodrow Wilson. Can’t they all let the poor guy rest in peace?

    nk (1d9030)

  21. @3: The protests must be over, since we’re worried about masks and social distancing at gatherings once again.

    beer ‘n pretzels (0463c9)

  22. @3: The protests must be over, since we’re worried about masks and social distancing at gatherings once again.

    Ah, the rule of “if those other dumdums can the dumb thing, I can’t definitely also to the dumb thing because…freedumb”. Whose going to tear gas Trumpsters at their dumdum thing so they disperse and go home?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  23. I will be carrying shiny new Colt Python, and a mask that says, “Why yes, that is a Python in my pocket”.

    I don’t think I could get one of those in a pocket. Maybe the little barrel. Think “Dirty Harry.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  24. I’m so very tired, sigh. It’s not shocking, SAD!

    You’re tired?! Just think what it’s like for those of us who didn’t want him to be such a effing failure.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  25. This is what Trump thinks will happen if he wears a mask.

    (You need the sound on for this one. Don’t worry, it’s SFW.)

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  26. Republicans running for office should be going to the problem cities and telling these minorities about why the 2nd amendment exists. And why they should own guns.
    Its all about the 2nd.

    mg (8cbc69)

  27. Also speaking about school choice, it helped Desantis win Florida with black women.

    mg (8cbc69)

  28. That is funny, lurker. Here’s one back: http://arnoldzwicky.s3.amazonaws.com/BusstopBatman.jpg

    nk (1d9030)

  29. How many ordinary citizens that you know would suggest that reduced testing would be a rational response to this pandemic? And how many regular people in your orbit would say that this will all just “go away” anytime soon? The man on the street knows it’s foolish.

    Children know better.

    noel (4d3313)

  30. Is he smarter than a 5th grader? Damn, I wish someone would do an ad comparing the answers of grade-schoolers to Trump’s virus statements. Then show the kids reacting to his cringe-inducing comments.

    Now that would be awesome!

    noel (4d3313)

  31. People marching under che guevara banner, defacing statues,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  32. Wait…. 5th grade may be too high a bar. They might have to drop down to 2nd or 1st grade to find a child willing to suggest that the middle of a virus outbreak is the time to “reduce testing”.

    Come on. Someone please make that ad. Or at least give us a late night comedy sketch. Jimmy Fallon or Jimmy Kimmel? Stephen, Trevor or James? Please.

    noel (4d3313)

  33. That’s how asshole bosses work. They natter how tests are making them look bad, but they never give a direct order to stop funding them. Their bootlickers at HHS/CMS get the message and “adopt policies”.

    nk (1d9030)

  34. 2.

    CMS said that insurers no longer have to cover COVID-19 testing when employers mandate a test before an employee can return to work, or when someone is tested as part of a public health surveillance program.

    That means when someone else would otherwise pay for it.

    That is generally the policy with Medicare and Medicaid.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  35. Oh

    Did you bother to read the article you linked to beyond the headline, you know the one from 6 weeks ago?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  36. Policy hasnt changed, duh, this is why you wouldnt have useless at the eastern front

    Narciso (7404b5)

  37. Paul Montagu @ 10.

    Did you notice where it said in the article that Russia was actually giving them intelligence on targets?

    Just how the money was dispersed to militants carrying out attacks for the Taliban, and at what level the coordination occurred, remains unclear. But officials say the network had grown increasingly ambitious and was in communication with more senior levels in Taliban military ranks to discuss potential targets.

    That’s more than just money. But some in the U.S. intelligence community wee not so ready to agree that ARussia had done that because (reading between the lines) they’d discussed Afghanistan with Russian diplomats and the Russians had agreed, or appeared to have been convinced, that it was not in their national interest for the Taliban to succeed, and maybe they even showed they thought that way by some votes in the United Nations or something.

    So they’re all wondering how and why Russia would act against its own national interests. Stupid officials, yes?

    The other thing worth noticing is that the whole operation is likely over and was likely over before it got put in the President’s Daily Brief on February 27 (the NYT does not confirm the exact date) .

    Rahmatullah Azizi has fled Afghanistan and is most likely in Russia, where he used to travel back ad forth to, saying he was making money there but not explaining how.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  38. 40. The blockquote should have been closed after the words to discuss potential targets.

    That means Russia was doing more than passing along money for killing any American soldier. It was giving them advice and intelligence as to where and how they could do it.

    This is buried in the middle of an article that runs on the far right column of page 18 today.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  39. 31. noel (4d3313) — 7/2/2020 @ 5:52 am

    And how many regular people in your orbit would say that this will all just “go away” anytime soon? The man on the street knows it’s foolish.

    Children know better.

    Some epidemiologists were saying that back when this started because, you see, that;s what happened with the 1918 flu. But they also said there could be a second wave.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  40. mr president vladimir is nothing if not helpful

    its easy to understand what our mr donald sees in him

    Dave (1bb933)

  41. Speaking of ‘Lone’, how about lone voices of reason on a sea of panic:

    Mainstream media goes all in with ‘panic porn’ over COVID-19

    “In June, we tested over 2,231 patients (data through last Thursday). Positive rate is now close to 20% (was 4-6% in May). Vast majority of the cases are mild to very mild symptoms. Average age of the people getting tested in mid-30s.

    “Very different patient (in terms of age) than we’ve seen before June. Most of these patients would not have met criteria that we previously had (and all the health facilities had) for Covid testing. Now with more testing kits we are able to test a broader group of patients.

    “In terms of what is driving them to the ER — Roughly 1/2 have been told by their employers to get a test. They have a sneeze or a cough and their employer tells them to go get tested. The other 1/2 just want to know. They have mild symptoms (and some don’t have any symptoms but game the system and check a box that they have a symptom so they can get a test — they cannot get a test unless they present with symptoms. If they have no symptoms we send them away — which does happen.)

    The average length of stay of Covid patients is 3-5 days. Much lower than the patients being seen in April and early May. Their symptoms are also milder. Most of the patients are not ending up in the ICU. The hospital ICUs are filled with really sick people with non-Covid issues. They [didn’t] come in earlier because they were scared and now they are super sick. From multiple sources at different hospitals — they have plenty of capacity and no shortage of acute care beds.

    “ No real data on breakdown of patients who have Covid but are not in the hospital because of Covid. Recognition that because all patients are tested for Covid you have some percentage of patients listed as Covid patients who are non Covid symptomatic and that the hospitalization rate is somewhat driven by hospitals taking their normal patients with other medical issues.

    “Finally, heard several stories of how discharge planners are being pressured to put Covid as primary diagnosis — as that pays significantly better. Hospitals want to avoid the discussion but if they don’t they risk another shutdown. This may be an explanation for why there is a gap in hospital executives saying they have plenty of capacity and the increasing number of Covid hospitalizations. You open up your hospitals for normal medical care and you test everyone of those patients — the result is higher percentage of patients who have Covid — now.”

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/30/mainstream-media-goes-all-in-with-panic-porn-over-/

    _

    harkin (5af287)

  42. Trump said he thought the virus would just go away many times, including yesterday, despite all the evidence to the contrary. But I get your reasoning, Sammy. Trump is a stopped clock that’ll be right…. eventually.

    noel (4d3313)

  43. All the damn problems in the USA, and we’re talking about whether Trump should wear a mask, for what the 1500th time? Who cares? I know people think they’re making Trump look bad, so that’s why they’re doing. Or perhaps they have no sense of what matters. So there’s that.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  44. The MSM and the Democrats (is there a difference?) keep harping on CV-19 cases rising. They don’t focus on DEATHS which is the important statistic. In Florida through late June, 50,000 people under 45 had CV-19 – only 24 died. The fact is that, CV-19 exploding amongst the young and healthy will mean few deaths and get us closer to herd immunity. In any case, we’ve flattened the curve, so Mission Accomplished. Lets quit with the scaremongering and doom saying.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  45. Its all about flattening the country, would putin be doing anything differently?

    Narciso (7404b5)

  46. Here’s the fallout when a “lone ranger” president pardons a war criminal. Yes, a convicted war criminal who was serving time in prison before getting his golden ticket Trump. Watch the video, too, which mostly shows Lorance’s platoon members.
    Maybe our Idiot Baby president thought he was doing the guy a solid by pardoning him but, in doing so, he disrespected the rest of that platoon who served honorably, and he disrespected the code that our men in combat operated by, and he disrespected our military for not letting Army handle their own.
    Sean Hannity and FoxNews share responsibility for selling bogus propaganda about Mr. Lorance, but it was Mr. Unstable Unfit who made the call.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  47. I notice that Trump briefed all the bloviating R Senators on that fake “Russian Bounty” scandal. I’ve read nothing about their response. One, Toomey, said he “had more questions” as if that matters. yes, I’m sure you do have questions Senator. Why don’t you put them in writing and submit to the CIA Director. Its astounding how these dummies CONSTANTLY play the Democrats game. Every NYT/WaPo story is instantly accepted, they then pile on Trump, and give the story play which helps the D’s and hurts the Republicans. You’d think after fake Mueller-Russia, the shampeahment, and a dozen other lying MSM Susan Collins. But of course, they won’t.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  48. #49 Exactly. An enemy of the USA must be loving all this MSM/BIden “lets lockdown the USA and sit in the basement with a mask on” nonsense. Putin must be laughing.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  49. So they’re all wondering how and why Russia would act against its own national interests. Stupid officials, yes?

    Because Putin wasn’t acting against his interests, which is consistent hostility to American interests, including all his overtures to the Taliban.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  50. I notice that Trump briefed all the bloviating R Senators on that fake “Russian Bounty” scandal.

    How could he do that when he hasn’t been briefed himself? Only pantsed by Putin?

    nk (1d9030)

  51. mr president donald who holds a degree in medicine from trump university is an expert on things he knows nothing about mr nk

    Dave (1bb933)

  52. 48…go get your goddamned red solo cup and triple bonus if you do a keg stand:

    http://www.insider.com/alabama-students-covid-parties-bet-on-who-gets-sick-2020-7

    urbanleftbehind (1e9509)

  53. “All the damn problems in the USA, and we’re talking about whether Trump should wear a mask, for what the 1500th time? Who cares?” writes rcocean.

    If I were supporting this President’s idiotic policies, I’d want to change the subject too. So…. let’s talk about bleach.

    noel (4d3313)

  54. Its amazing how little serious discussion and serious news we get from the MSM and the Democrats. No one seems to want to talk about all the radical left-wing things the D’s and Biden are going to ram through if they get elected. No one wants to discuss how the D’s want to ramp up our war in Afghanistan and Syria or start a new Cold war with Russia or appease China and Iran.

    The deficit? who cares. Illegal immigration? That’s a good thing. The impact of Trump’s trade deals? Boring. Where Biden will get all the $$ for national health insurance and $500 Billion for climate Change? Lets not talk about that. Instead lets focus on “Black Lives matter” and whether Trump was briefed or not briefed on an issue that had no impact.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  55. Is he smarter than a 5th grader?

    Was nominating Biden a way of finding out?

    beer ‘n pretzels (a73d0d)

  56. 130,670 Americans dead, more than twice as many as Vietnam, in just three months, because an orange baboon is in the White House, who cares?

    nk (1d9030)

  57. Does a pandemic matter? Do race relations matter? To me, they do. And I cannot imagine a President doing more to make both matters worse.

    noel (4d3313)

  58. The Lincoln Project
    @ProjectLincoln

    The Nasdaq can’t cure coronavirus.
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    The Partyman
    @PartymanRandy
    ·
    Throwing a hissy fit whenever something good happens for America. Just like Abraham Lincoln.
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    harkin (5af287)

  59. Can you think of any other President who would have “accidentally” distributed a white power video? Give me a break.

    noel (4d3313)

  60. Over 500,000 DontCallItWuhanFlu deaths worldwide. Trump certainly has a lot of blood on his hands. Plus George Floyd, too.

    Let’s put the party running Minneapolis, Chicago, Detroit, LA, etc. in charge. Ask a 5th grader!

    beer ‘n pretzels (1d265b)

  61. Allegheny County Health Department
    @HealthAllegheny

    This is the July 2, 2020 COVID-19 Daily Update.

    Today’s report of 3,103 cases reflects an increase of 233 cases and 4 new hospitalizations. There is no change to the number of deaths. In the newest cases, ages range from 6 months to 99 years with the median age being 29.
    __ _

    Jackie Cramer
    @diamondsnjeans
    ·
    Holy (expletive deleted)!!!! We are becoming FL, TX, AZ, CA if this keeps up. DO SOMETHING!
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    Governor Dale Wolf
    @governor_not
    ·
    Hospitalizations and deaths were so two months ago.
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    Dr. Zach Collins
    @ZachCol58464771
    ·
    If anybody is listening: These are cases – very broadly defined and with considerable “hotspot” chasing. Also, emphasize: *No deaths* and hospitalizations are historically low. How many tests? And how about focusing on illness severity?
    __ _

    christweet
    @christweetsss
    ·
    Agree. Even tho it is a lot more cases they are finding the majority are mild/asymptomatic. Plus side they are allowing for widespread testing, downside there is a high risk of spreading to the elderly/high risk population if people aren’t cautious.

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    harkin (5af287)

  62. No one wants to discuss how the D’s want to start a new Cold war with Russia

    Good one!

    Dustin (739c8b)

  63. I danced with a gal
    With a hole in her stocking.
    I asked her what she did,
    And she said “I’m a Trumpkin”.

    Trumpalo gals, come out tonight!
    Come out tonight, come out tonight!
    Trumpalo gals come out tonight,
    And dance by the light of the Moon.

    nk (1d9030)

  64. SF: So they’re all wondering how and why Russia would act against its own national interests. Stupid officials, yes?

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e) — 7/2/2020 @ 7:33 am

    Because Putin wasn’t acting against his interests, which is consistent hostility to American interests, including all his overtures to the Taliban.

    The problem is that they think that, because Russia agreed that the Taliban are a bad thing – for Russia – that they actually think so. (telling a country that it is in their interest that they should do something, and not a favor to the United States, is a standard U.S. diplomatic approach. It “works” more often than it really works. Appearing to agree is way to ward off suspicion, as well as relieving any pressure.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  65. Plurality of deaths occurred in liberal states of Mass, NY, and NJ because these liberal Democrat Governors thought cutting flights off from China and EU was “racist” and because they put CV-19 patients in nursing home. Thousands of old people died. Deaths/millions in those states over 1,000, compared to 150/million in Florida and Texas.

    Democrats support Riots, BLM, Antifa, death, and wars in Syria and Afghanistan. They are a death cult. The only people they want to save are killers on death row.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  66. Russian oligarchs donate money to Trump and other republicans, directly and through intermediaries. Fund extensive propaganda with bots and trolls on blogs and social media to help Republicans spread lies that tear the country apart. Pay a bounty on each murdered American soldier to their pals the Taliban, who have some association with the 9/11 attacks.

    And Trump looked at his financial interests versus American lives and decided.

    The russian propaganda is working overtime to tear the nation apart this year.

    Democrats support Riots, BLM, Antifa, death, and wars in Syria and Afghanistan. They are a death cult. The only people they want to save are killers on death row.

    This kind of stuff. The people feeding this BS into the minds of idiots are also killing our soldiers. The idea hundreds of millions of Americans are a death cult, so it’s OK to hate them this much.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  67. because these liberal Democrat Governors thought cutting flights off from China and EU was “racist”

    This is a lie.

    Dave (1bb933)

  68. Russian oligarchs donate money to Trump and other republicans, directly and through intermediaries. Fund extensive propaganda with bots and trolls on blogs and social media to help Republicans spread lies that tear the country apart. Pay a bounty on each murdered American soldier to their pals the Taliban, who have some association with the 9/11 attacks.

    Do you have evidence/links for this false witnessing? or is it all fresh from the NYT?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  69. 71. rcocean (2e1c02) — 7/2/2020 @ 9:21 am

    Plurality of deaths occurred in liberal states of Mass, NY, and NJ because these liberal Democrat Governors thought cutting flights off from China and EU was “racist”

    Hwever much thery and other liberals may have philosophicaly opposed that, They were not in charge of that. Trump was. If no travel cutoff, was responsible you would have to say that the plurality of deaths occurred because he didn’t want to cut off travel from Italy and the rest of Europe. The WHO and epidemiologists in general were against quarantines, saying that you can’t contain a disease that way. China was pressing for no cut off of travel from China and its diplomats indicated that whether they did or not wold determine whether or not they were a friend of China. The travel restrictions Trump imposed focused on legal categories and there was no real attempt to catch the disease.

    One thing: The 14-day quarantine period was, and is, far too long.

    and because they put CV-19 patients in nursing home. Thousands of old people died.

    This was not something unique to New York. It was much worse in Canada.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  70. The worst blunder was cutting off family visits to nursing homes. The logic was that nobody can be trusted except the people who are supposed to be competent. Supposed to, with no real incentive to.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  71. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like Trump is not from New York and Jared Kushner from New Jersey and morons put them in charge of the whole country.

    nk (1d9030)

  72. Do you have evidence/links for this false witnessing? or is it all fresh from the NYT?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/2/2020 @ 9:33 am

    That time you said that woman murdered her husband with chloroquine was a pretty good example.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  73. Despite what the activists always want, practical politics is about consensus, common ground and coalition-building. For one politician to call another a “Lone Ranger” is a put-down and a statement regarding unprofessional conduct. Trump, of course wraps this around himself. Some Presidents use the flag, or Lincoln. Not Trump.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  74. we know steele worked for deripaska, and he likely laundered russian dezinforma, the state department doesn’t want to say,

    narciso (7404b5)

  75. Back in early 2016, I said that Donald Trump was the Democrats’ idea of a Republican — loud, stupid and mean. I thought that he was a shill put in place to discredit, if not destroy, the GOP. The Democrats may say that they are appalled, but I think they are secretly thrilled.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  76. i’m up to 150 pages on my novella, threw in some bratva, like in queen of the south, in marbella, a little episode in morocco, ala mission impossible, or hanna, I can’t keep track, now this story I lost the plot around pg 25

    narciso (7404b5)

  77. Look, Biden’s going to be a terrible president. He is in it for himself and would say anything (or better yet nothing) kinda like Obama.

    But hate cult? Nope. Hoping to rip down the country, release all the death row inmates, impose socialism? LOL nope. He’s going to go down easy street all the way. Most democrats are *exactly* like you. Not even a little different. Pray, love their kids, roll their eyes at woke culture, want to retire.

    We’re seeing white supremacism keep getting encouraged at the same time we’re seeing hatred of whites. Both of these segments point to the strategic social weakness not of our country, but of our species. Russia’s pushed Bernie and Trump so hard, pushed hate so hard, but that’s not actually what our people are about. And if you wind up believing a lot of the crap that does think that’s what our people are about, you’re worse than a sucker. You’re making Putin’s whole scheme work. A scheme where Trump sat there, looking at the millions in donations and investment opportunities, looked at the information about this bounty system, and chose to betray us.

    Trump is the threat. Biden will be a pretty big problem in my opinion. But Trump’s gotta go. This Russian bounty thing has got to tip the scales for anyone who was on the fence. It’s horrible.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  78. Did the Kushners, that would be Jared and Ivanka, ever change their registration as Democrats to vote for Trump in the New York primary?

    nk (1d9030)

  79. For one politician to call another a “Lone Ranger” is a put-down and a statement regarding unprofessional conduct. Trump, of course wraps this around himself. Some Presidents use the flag, or Lincoln. Not Trump.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/2/2020 @ 9:50 am

    Insightful.

    When the Army changed their slogan from “Be all you can be” to “Army of One,” soldiers would use “Army of One” as an insult. Your ego is not your amigo.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  80. 72. Dustin (739c8b) — 7/2/2020 @ 9:30 am

    Russian oligarchs donate money to Trump and other republicans, directly and through intermediaries.

    Well, it was two former residents of the Soviet Union, one from Ukraine and one from Belorus, and what they’ve been indcted for is laundering contributions. It’s not clear where the money actually originally originated from, but is most likely the Russian government, but the next level actually was a Ukrainian oligarch.

    Now it wasn’t all that much money. Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman donated money to all kinds of Republican causes, not with the idea of actually helping the Republican Party but with the idea of getting close to important Republicans, and they landed Rudolph Giuliani (first hiring him as their personal attorney for some things)

    They were eventually able to pass on Russian disinformation to Donald Trump – about Biden firing the Ukrainian Prosecutor General for his son’s personal benefit. They had some help from Joe Biden himself in making their case, since Biden took full credit for getting Viktor Shokin fired, although he did not say that he did it to stop an investigation of the Ukrainian company Burisma.

    They also got the American ambassador to Ukraine dismissed.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/12/17/giuliani-associate-parnas-paid-by-ukraine-oligarch-firtash-lawyer/2667928001

    The disclosure raises further questions about Parnas’ financial dealings as he helped Giuliani push for the ouster of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine and seek a Ukrainian investigation into the family of former Vice President Joe Biden, who’s vying to challenge Trump in the 2020 presidential election…

    …Parnas, 47, a Ukraine-born businessman, was indicted in October with Belarus-born business associate Igor Fruman on charges they schemed to funnel hundreds of thousands of dollars in foreign funds to U.S. political candidates and campaign committees

    You have to understand that was a means to ane end – getting the president’s ear.

    Fund extensive propaganda with bots and trolls on blogs and social media

    That went on, but didn’t matter all that much in the scheme of things.

    to help Republicans spread lies that tear the country apart.

    They didn’t help Republicans. Russia came up with its own stuff. I think one example of that was Pizzagate.

    Pay a bounty on each murdered American soldier to their pals the Taliban, who have some association with the 9/11 attacks.

    They are trying to figure out how many American soldiers they might succeeded in getting killed. Is it one, or four, or maybe a even higher number? Twenty American service members were killed in combat-related operations in Afghanistan in 2019 but they don’t think all of them can be attributed to that.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/politics/russian-bounties-afghanistan-intelligence.html

    Investigators are said to be focused on at least two deadly attacks on American soldiers in Afghanistan. One is an April 2019 bombing outside Bagram Air Base that killed three Marines: Staff Sgt. Christopher Slutman, 43, of Newark, Del.; Cpl. Robert A. Hendriks, 25, of Locust Valley, N.Y.; and Sgt. Benjamin S. Hines, 31, of York, Pa….

    Dustin:

    And Trump looked at his financial interests versus American lives and decided.
    The evidence doesn’t support that. What financial interests? I don’t see real political interests either.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  81. 84 85. In 2016 they didn’t change their registration in time – it had to be done before the November 2015 general election, tat is in October; in 2020 there was no Republican presidential primary and are the Kushners still registered in New York?

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  82. so mr. president donald trump, whose businesses all financed with debt and not capital and that’s a fact, goes to Deutsche Bank to arrange for a new loan

    the receptionist tells him, i’m sorry, mr. trump, but the loan arranger is not in today

    and mr. president donald trump says, then let me talka to Tonto

    nk (1d9030)

  83. *are* all financed

    nk (1d9030)

  84. Anna Ellis
    @annaellis_net
    ·
    Statue to commemorate Oregon elk herds set on fire by Portland Antifa & fellow travellers.
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    Basileus
    @JohnFiliss
    ·
    So sick.

    An historic statue put up in 1900 & designed by Roland Hinton Perry. It was a reminder of the elk that once inhabited the Portland area. Photo from 1901.
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    Hill
    @HBatakus
    ·
    End Elk Supremacy

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    harkin (5af287)

  85. ‘Making Classical Music Great Again': cue Rossini’s William Tell Overture.

    Thank you, Mr. President!

    “Who was that masked man?”- JoeyBee 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  86. There was a primary scheduled in 2020, but Trump was the only candidate who qualified, so it wasn’t held.

    Anyway, I knew I read this somewhere:

    Ivanka Trump Now Acknowledges: ‘I’m a Proud Trump Republican’

    Ivanka Trump’s transformation from a New York socialite who donated to Democratic politicians and vocally supported gay rights to a card-carrying member of her father’s “Make America Great Again” coalition is now complete.

    Ms. Trump said on Monday that she had made the decision to officially change her voter registration from Democrat to Republican because she wanted to vote for her father in the New York primary, something she did not do in 2016 when she missed the deadline to register as a Republican.

    According to the New York City Board of Elections, Ms. Trump made the change on Oct. 22, 2018, just ahead of the midterm elections.

    Jared not only registered as a Republican, but changed his registration from “female” to “male”:

    White House senior adviser Jared Kushner registered as a Republican ahead of the 2018 midterm elections, New York state voter registration records obtained by CNN show.

    His switch from no party affiliation to the Republican Party came about a year and a half after he joined his father-in-law, President Donald Trump, in Washington to work at the White House.
    According to voter registration documents, Kushner requested an absentee ballot and registered as a Republican on September 20, 2018 — just over a month before he cast his absentee ballot in November.

    […]

    In 2017, the New York Board of Elections acknowledged a report which said Kushner had been misidentified as a female on his voter registration form. It has since been corrected.

    Dave (1bb933)

  87. It’s going to be very awkward when Trump drops out of the race and Lincoln Project keeps bashing the Romney Condi ticket.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  88. From what I can tell, they only bash Republicans who voted against impeaching the criminal traitor, so Romney and Condi would be in the clear.

    Dave (1bb933)

  89. @58 Well gawdam, the media are talking about stuff that is actually happening and not stuff you imagine might happen. Scandalous.

    Nic (896fdf)

  90. Does this make Mike Pence Trump’s ‘Tonto’?

    ‘Tonto is the Native-American partner of the Lone Ranger. He is from the Potawatomi tribe (an Apache in the 2003 television film, but a Comanche in the 2013 film). His name means “Crazy One” or “The Fool” in Spanish.’ – source, LoneRangerfandom.com

    “Ugh.” – Tonto [Jay Silverheels] ‘The Lone Ranger’ ABC TV, 1949-1957

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. JoeyBee was slurring words in his basement hostage video today.

    He’s either a language racist, leaking cognitive difficulties, had loose dentures– or sweetened his morning java w/a touch too much bourbon.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  92. This Russian bounty thing has got to tip the scales for anyone who was on the fence. It’s horrible.

    And the ‘snatch & grab’ video wasn’t? Ask Billy Bush. Then ask President Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  93. Speaking of Army, this might complicate any hopes of a Beto coalition getting it done in TX in November:

    http://conandaily.com/2020/07/02/did-aaron-david-robinson-laugh-at-vanessa-guillens-sister-at-the-fort-hood-military-base/

    urbanleftbehind (1e9509)

  94. @96: The media are talking about how if you get together to topple/defile a statue you’re immune to DontCallItWuhanFlu. That’s why Trump needs to wear a mask and they don’t. Because they’re fixing racism, and we just need to get out of their way.

    beer ‘n pretzels (c36dc4)

  95. @101 not really, no

    Nic (896fdf)

  96. From what I can tell, they only bash Republicans who voted against impeaching the criminal traitor, so Romney and Condi would be in the clear.

    Dave (1bb933) — 7/2/2020 @ 10:32 am

    They make very effective ads, but there’s a mercenary scent to these guys and I think they are basically working for the Biden ticket.

    I also think Trump is going to drop out, but I do not think the GOP is smart enough to pick a good replacement ticket. Alito+Ginsberg = big deal, but this is a painfully stupid organization. I’m trying to think what the dumbest ticket would be. Palin+Kanye!

    Dustin (739c8b)

  97. And the ‘snatch & grab’ video wasn’t? Ask Billy Bush. Then ask President Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/2/2020 @ 10:45 am

    Yawn

    JR is dead

    Dustin (739c8b)

  98. He’s either a language racist, leaking cognitive difficulties, had loose dentures– or sweetened his morning java w/a touch too much bourbon.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/2/2020 @ 10:41 am

    Nope. Biden sounds normal. Great leader? Hell no. Totally refusing to take a risk for his country right now, when it could count. Brain damage? The kind of bar lowering standard Dubya was gifted with.

    Trump is yelling LONE RANGER like an actual retarded person</em>.

    He’s an idiot.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  99. Kanye’ll get amazon-swarmed by the whole Koven if he even thinks about it, Sarah P. being free to swirl like its the 1988 Great Alaskan Shootout.

    urbanleftbehind (1e9509)

  100. Herman Cain’s in the OMG I’m gonna die ward (hospital) with the ‘Rona.

    “There is no way of knowing for sure how or where Mr. Cain contracted the coronavirus, but we do know he is a fighter who has beaten Stage 4 cancer,” Cain’s staff said on a message posted on social media. “With God’s help, we are confident he will make a quick and complete recovery.”

    Nah, hanging out with a bunch of folks not wearing masks and denying there’s something bad happening right now, nothing to do with it.

    ‘Rona’s on a mission from God.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (9878f6)

  101. Testing, we don’t need no stinkin’ testing. There’s no evidence olds and youngs that interact with sicky’s will get sick. Nope…uhh, see above.

    New guidance from the Centers for Disease Control recommends against universities testing students, faculty and staff who are not displaying symptoms of COVID-19 and who have not knowingly interacted with an infected person upon their return to school.

    It has some experts up in arms, and, public health professionals told TPM, provides yet one more example of the problems with the U.S.’s lack of a national testing strategy.

    “In spite of numerous legitimate concerns about the safety of reopening and the fact that we know presymptomatic transmission is a major driver of spread, the CDC has gone ahead and recommended no testing for school reopening,” tweeted Dr. Angela Rasmussan, a virologist at Columbia University’s school of public health. “Unbelievable.”

    “This recommendation from the CDC, coupled with the rationale given, beggars belief,” added Carl Bergstrom, a biology professor at the University of Washington, on Twitter. “This is the thinnest of absence-of-evidence arguments.”

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (9878f6)

  102. Meanwhile…

    Asst. Health Secretary Brett Giroir said of positive cases in COVID-19 testing on Thursday: “There is no question that the more testing you get, the more you will uncover – but we do believe this is a real increase in cases, because the percent positivities are going up.” pic.twitter.com/01q4V8QDzl

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (9878f6)

  103. Trump admin in all things.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (9878f6)

  104. Meanwhile……

    JULY 2, 2020 12:38 PM
    Contrary to claims from both Chinese officials and the World Health Organization, China did not report the existence of the coronavirus in late 2019, according to a WHO timeline tracking the spread of the virus. Rather, international health officials discovered the virus through information posted to a U.S. website.

    The quiet admission from the international health organization, which posted an “updated” timeline to its website this week, flies in the face of claims from some of its top officials, including WHO director general Tedros Adhanom, who maintained for months that China had informed his organization about the emerging sickness.”

    https://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-never-reported-existence-of-coronavirus-to-world-health-organization/
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    harkin (f58543)

  105. Kanye’ll get amazon-swarmed by the whole Koven if he even thinks about it, Sarah P. being free to swirl like its the 1988 Great Alaskan Shootout.

    urbanleftbehind (1e9509) — 7/2/2020 @ 11:02 am

    There’s a lot going in this mental image.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  106. Its amazing how little serious discussion and serious news we get from the MSM and the Democrats.

    No, it’s all about Trump. And Trump won’t have it any other way.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  107. the Romney Condi ticket.

    Or the Nikki-Condi ticket, as a pair of patriarchal white supremacists.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  108. Contrary to claims from both Chinese officials and the World Health Organization, China did not report the existence of the coronavirus in late 2019, according to a WHO timeline tracking the spread of the virus. Rather, international health officials discovered the virus through information posted to a U.S. website.

    That’s nice. I bet Herman Cain is really worried about where it came from 7 months ago.

    It’s here now, bitching about maybe China could have warned a few weeks earlier is kind of beside the point since it’s here now, and there’s a pretty large number of American numbskulls have ignored if as much as possible, for most of that 7 months. What are you going to do about it now, either the ‘Rona or China. How is complaining about China now improving our approach to curbing the virus NOW!!

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  109. How is complaining about China now improving our approach to curbing the virus NOW!!

    Because you were all about complaining about China then.

    beer ‘n pretzels (1d265b)

  110. @105. ‘Nope.’

    Uh, yepshhh.

    ‘He’s an idiot.’

    That’s PRESIDENT Idiot to you.

    “I also have a very remarkable brain.” – Harry [Clark Gable] ‘Idiot’s Delight’ 1939

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  111. Ayman Mohyeldin
    @AymanM

    oh boy…

    multiple federal law enforcement officials say that depending on what the judge overseeing today’s detention & removal hearing & the Bureau of Prisons determine, Ghislane Maxwell could be housed at MCC in New York – the same jail where Jeffrey Epstein killed himself
    __

    lol
    _

    harkin (f58543)

  112. Same clueless individuals now just getting the news on China and the WHO will be wondering why we’re talking about much lower July death rates from the virus in Sept.
    _

    harkin (f58543)

  113. “Dear SSON Community,” the email provided to Campus Reform begins.

    “I am writing to express my concern and condemnation of the recent (and past) acts of violence against people of color. Recent events recall a tragic history of racism and bias that continue to thrive in this country. I despair for our future as a nation if we do not stand up against violence against anyone. BLACK LIVES MATTER, but also, EVERYONE’S LIFE MATTERS. No one should have to live in fear that they will be targeted for how they look or what they believe.”
    _ _

    The dean of the UMass Solomont School of Nursing was fired for the statement above.
    _

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/umass-nursing-dean-fired-saying-everyones-life-matters
    _

    Biden 2020 if you want more of this.
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    harkin (f58543)

  114. That’s PRESIDENT Idiot to you.

    Indeed.

    Great again?

    Dustin (739c8b)

  115. “Biden 2020 if you want more of this.”

    This happened under Trump.

    Davethulhu (f33f98)

  116. If you haven’t learned by now to check the original sources when these breathless announcements of newly discovered conspiracies appear in the TrumpWorld fever swamp, you really should.

    Here’s what the allegedly scandalous new timeline says:

    31 Dec 2019
    WHO’s Country Office in the People’s Republic of China picked up a media statement by the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission from their website on cases of ‘viral pneumonia’ in Wuhan, People’s Republic of China.

    […]

    1 January 2020
    WHO requested information on the reported cluster of atypical pneumonia cases in Wuhan from the Chinese authorities.

    […]

    2 January 2020
    The WHO Representative in China wrote to the National Health Commission, offering WHO support and repeating the request for further information on the cluster of cases.

    WHO informed Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network (GOARN) partners about the cluster of pneumonia cases in the People’s Republic of China. GOARN partners include major public health agencies, laboratories, sister UN agencies, international organizations and NGOs.

    3 January 2020
    Chinese officials provided information to WHO on the cluster of cases of ‘viral pneumonia of unknown cause’ identified in Wuhan.

    4 January 2020
    WHO tweeted that there was a cluster of pneumonia cases – with no deaths – in Wuhan, Hubei province, People’s Republic of China, and that investigations to identify the cause were underway.

    5 January 2020
    WHO shared detailed information about a cluster of cases of pneumonia of unknown cause through the IHR (2005) Event Information System, which is accessible to all Member States. The event notice provided information on the cases and advised Member States to take precautions to reduce the risk of acute respiratory infections.

    It’s a little bit confusing, because the last time we were being regaled with conspiracy theories, the WHO was China’s pawn who actively tried to conceal the outbreak for unspecified or completely illogical reasons, and that’s why the Idiot in Chief bloviated about cutting off funding to WHO.

    So let’s breakdown this new timeline – the Chinese were trying to cover it up, and that’s why the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission released a media statement.

    The WHO were trying to cover for China, that’s why they asked for information immediately, and circulated it as soon as they received it.

    Remember, the Chinese only isolated the virus and identified it as a novel coronavirus during these same first days of January.

    This is just more manipulation of gullible Trump worshippers.

    Dave (1bb933)

  117. Biden 2020 if you want more of this.
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    harkin (f58543) — 7/2/2020 @ 12:24 pm

    The firing sickens me. But think about your argument. That happened today, and Biden isn’t the president. The racial division is happening now. Trump’s need to make every problem about himself, combined with his racism, has been a great way to bring us here, where intolerance of moderate conservative opinions is so bad.

    If Trump trolls the nation for years along race lines, that is not Biden’s fault.

    Think about LBJ’s incredible flip flop on blacks. That’s Joe Biden. Not a brain damaged fool, but someone who doesn’t care about anything. He’s more Obama than MLK. Taking the easy road. That the road is race is a consequence of the Trump strategy of being incredibly obnoxious, ignoring a looming disaster, therefore plunging the economy. None of this would be happening if the economy didn’t have 40 million people doing nothing.

    So shame on the cancel culture for this stuff. It should be a powerful argument against democrats, but if Trump is re-elected, this kind of thing gets worse, not better. Until conservatives have a truly great leader, it will keep getting worse.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  118. i worked security for a Kanye West concert a few years ago. I wanted to buy a Kanye 2020 shirt I saw for sale, but I couldn’t do something like that in uniform without violating policy. A shame. What a great COVID mask that would make.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  119. Ferguson happened under Obama/Biden.

    Such air tight logic going on right now.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7dbf31)

  120. Biden 2020 if you want more of this.

    This is the idiocy that continues to flow. Coronavirus, China’s fault; US response, governor’s fault, president…nah.

    Russia paying for US scalps. Intelligence’s fault because they didn’t put it in the PDB, well they didn’t tell him with their mouth holes, and they paper’s they gave him it in the comic sans version. It’s the media’s fault for telling us about it, it’s the democrats for leaking it…no it’s a hoax, (as the IC is telling the republican’s of the intel committee it is true), he’s the most potentially informed on the planet, but he’s so intellectually lazy that he can’t bother to drink from the fount of all knowledge. Russia is paying for US scalps, literally. Now, and he can’t even be bothered to complain about it…oh wait, the problem isn’t the killings, it’s people knowing about it.

    Race relations deteriorate to the worst in half a century; press, blah, democrats, blah.

    He’s the president, but he both takes no responsibility for anything actually happening, when it tanks, the thing he said he did is now Biden’s fault, or that lady that briefs him, or the MEEDDYUH.

    It’s reality that is conspiring against him. And he’s a moron, just the dumbest sonovabitch on the planet Earth.

    What is his job, what is the responsibility of the president?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  121. Ferguson happened under Obama/Biden.

    Such air tight logic going on right now.

    Ferguson vs Seattle, Minneapolis, Washington DC, Los Angeles, Detroit, NYC, Nashville, Dallas, Miami, Chicago, Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Las Vegas, Modesto, Reno, Boston, Cincinnati, Louisville, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Orlando, New Orleans, Houston, Austin, Albuquerque, Sioux City, Fayetteville (all of them), Tuscaloosa….

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  122. Ferguson vs Seattle, Minneapolis, Washington DC, Los Angeles, Detroit, NYC ….

    Oh my, you’re right.

    Let’s elect Democrats.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7b79e1)

  123. Well, since you don’t believe the role of president holds any responsibility for anything, I’m sure this was the same under Obama, why would it matter to you if it was Biden, or Bernie, or Kasich, or Mittens? What’s the difference?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  124. Ferguson happened under Obama/Biden.

    Such air tight logic going on right now.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7dbf31) — 7/2/2020 @ 12:35 pm

    And because the economy was booming, it didn’t escalate into nation wide riots. it was only a bad problem in the economic hellholes over there.

    So yeah, you may have thought this was sarcasm, but it’s really important the president doesn’t destabilize the entire country and every other Russian foe he can.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  125. And because the economy was booming, it didn’t escalate into nation wide riots.

    Fact: There were nationwide Ferguson riots. Shake those cobwebs a little. They fizzled eventually because the “hands up, don’t shoot” narrative was bogus — not that the administration didn’t try to fan those flames.

    The economy was booming this time around, but moron Trump locked things down against your advice, I’m sure. And, he had to lock things down because he has a weakness for bat head soup.

    beer ‘n pretzels (4d3c08)

  126. I guess I’m just rehashing Klink’s point, but if the GOP can be this bad and the response to criticizing the GOP is ‘but the democrats are worse by definition’ then the GOP can’t get better.

    If the binary choice always leads to a ‘GOP always better’ then the GOP actually has no reason to really be better.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  127. I wish the GOP were better. I wish Democrats were better. They are both regressing, but at different rates. It’s not even close.

    beer ‘n pretzels (4d3c08)

  128. Dustin (739c8b) — 7/2/2020 @ 1:33 pm Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    hahaha, that’s justified

    Dustin (739c8b)

  129. 80. narciso (7404b5) — 7/2/2020 @ 9:50 am

    we know steele worked for deripaska, and he likely laundered russian dezinforma, the state department doesn’t want to say,

    Steele worked for Deripaska?

    It;s oot clear.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/christopher-steele-putin-oleg-deripaska

    It was Paul Manafort who worked with Oleg Deripaska.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  130. I wish the GOP were better. I wish Democrats were better. They are both regressing, but at different rates. It’s not even close.

    beer ‘n pretzels (4d3c08) — 7/2/2020 @ 1:32 pm

    I think this is a very reasonable perspective. Cop cars burning, people saying social workers can replace cops (knowing fully that this will only exacerbate how different justice is in bad neighborhoods versus nice ones), and prosecution on one side. However you want to characterize Trump on the other. Focus on one, and it’s like the other side’s problems don’t even matter. And that’s my point. Both regressions are caused by focusing on the other side’s problems.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  131. I can’t wait for tomorrow night. The President goes to South Dakota to stand in front of Mount Rushmore where he surely will declare that “they” are coming to tear it down. “Some people say” it’s next.

    And when he is done at the monument where he will be social distancing from throngs of folks not social distancing, he will head back east to defend the Confederacy.

    noel (4d3313)

  132. 123. Dave (1bb933) — 7/2/2020 @ 12:28 pm

    – the Chinese were trying to cover it up, and that’s why the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission released a media statement.

    They couldn’t cover it up any more. The virus had escaped the PRC. Taiwan had notified people, also an organization in Canada. So they retended to have just discovered that on December 31.

    All the way until about Jan 14, Chinese authorities still claimed it was not spread person to person. But came directly at animals. They pointed the finger at a “wet market” – that sold only seafood – but was about 300 yards away from the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Meanwhile, for those inclined not to believe the “wet market: story and inclined to believe it came from a lab, they tried to blame the wrong lab: The Wuhan Institute of Virology, about 8 miles away, and eventually spread a story that an intern had confessed to being responsible and had both infected her boyfriend and visited the wet market. This young girl probably really exists and may still be locked up.

    President Trump, by the way was briefed on this, but you don’t hear Democrats complaining he’s not acting on the information. He’s only supposed to believe extremely serious derogatory information about Russia.

    Remember, the Chinese only isolated the virus and identified it as a novel coronavirus during these same first days of January.

    No, they isolated it before and determined the genetic code but the scientists in question were ordered not to publish and to destroy their samples.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-scientists-destroyed-proof-of-virus-in-december-rz055qjnj

    China has since admitted that: (although maybe not the timing)

    https://www.businessinsider.com/china-confirms-that-it-destroyed-early-samples-of-new-coronavirus-2020-5

    An official with the Chinese National Health Commission said on Friday that the samples were destroyed in line with public health laws and to “prevent the risk to laboratory biological safety.”

    But he insisted that it was not done to cover up or hide samples from other countries — an accusation that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo had previously made.

    Pompeo has repeatedly attacked the Chinese Communist Party for attempting to cover up the extent of the outbreak, which has so far killed more than 88,000 people in the US alone.

    The news comes as tensions between the US and China appear to be deteriorating, with the president and his administration blaming the country for having started the virus deliberately.

    China has confirmed that it had ordered unauthorized laboratories to destroy samples of the new coronavirus but insisted that it was due to “biosafety reasons.”

    The announcement comes after Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has repeatedly said that China refused to give virus samples taken from patients infected with COVID-19 in late December last year and that officials had destroyed early samples, according to South China Morning Post.

    The South China Morning Post is a Hong Kong newspaper.

    Of course this is an important state secret and Beijing had to make sure that their secrets about the virus did not get revealed in Hong Kong. A Hong Kong newspaper already has published that the first cases date back to early December

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  133. * China pretended to have just discovered that on December 31.

    All the way until about Jan 14, Chinese authorities still claimed it was not spread person to person. But came directly FROM animals. The Who backed them up until the head f the WHO personally fklew to China.

    They pointed the finger at a “wet market” – that sold only seafood not bats or anything else that could be infected by acoronavirus – nothing that breathed air – but was about 300 yards away from the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention. And they wouldn’t have scapegoated a sea food market unless it was really close to where it actually originated from.

    The other day, they tried to blame an outbreak in Beijing on salmon.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/world/asia/coronavirus-china-salmon.html

    When a new coronavirus outbreak emerged last week in Beijing, residents were jolted by reports that traces of the virus had been found on a cutting board used for imported salmon, and the backlash was swift.

    Authorities had to take it back the next day because it was scientific nonsense – as was blaming the original outbreak on the Huanan seafood market in Wuhan, which was falsely described for some time as a “wet market.” (instead of the nearby lab)

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  134. 130. noel (4d3313) — 7/2/2020 @ 2:30 pm

    he will head back east to defend the Confederacy.

    He;s not going anywhere near Stone Mountain Georgia.

    Which is not, by the way, the Confederate Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore is the federal Stone Mountain.

    The original sculptor, John Gutzon de la Mothe Borglum (March 25, 1867 – March 6, 1941) was lured away, first to Texas, and his work in Georgia actually destroyed, but the project was taken up again 30 years later.

    Borglum had joined the KKK when he worked on the Georgia project, but only for the money – one his earlier works was a head of Abraham Lincoln, which was exhibited in the White House when Theodore Roosevelt was president, and he had named his son Lincoln, after all.

    So anyway Stone Muuntain was not built in imitation of Mt. Rushmore, but rather the other way around, even though Stone Mountain was completed decades later.

    That’s only one misconception about Mt Rushmore.

    The other one is that Theodore Roosevelt was included because he was thought to be the greatest recent president at the time. That gets things backwards. TR was not included with Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln. The whole project was designed to honor Theodore Roosevelt (and secretly to keep Borglum from ever contemplating going back to Georgia and rejoining the KKK and building that monument the KKK wanted.)

    Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln were included to cast their reflected glory on Theodore Roosevelt!

    The badlands of South Dakota had a connection with Theodore Roosevelt.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  135. A new low for the Lone Ranger’s latest ad. Practically every quote was taken out of context and dishonestly edited, which is par for the course for the lyingest, most corrupt president in American history.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  136. @143. Truth in advertising??

    LSMFT.

    “Everybody else’s tobacco is poisonous. Lucky Strikes’… is toasted.” – Don Draper [Jon Hamm] MadMen – AMC TV, 2007-2015

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  137. #30

    Here’s one back
    nk (1d9030) — 7/2/2020 @ 5:41 am

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  138. Practically every quote was taken out of context and dishonestly edited, which is par for the course for the lyingest, most corrupt president in American history.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e) — 7/2/2020 @ 6:27 pm

    Washington Post. Therefore fake news. Even though it is provably not fake news, 99.9% of people still supporting Trump will actually be happier with Trump that he’s ‘hard’ on Pelosi, Biden, AOC.

    “He fights.” Not for American troops, but hey don’t be greedy.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  139. It little profits an idle orange,
    In his barren bunker,
    Beside a picture of Kim Jong Un,
    Matched with three aged wives,
    He metes and doles unequal laws,
    Unto a savage race,
    That feeds and hoards toilet paper,
    And knows not him,
    And he is so grateful,
    That they do not know him.

    nk (1d9030)

  140. When deciding whether to wear a mask in public, I weighed out nonsense factors like scientific evidence suggesting that wearing a mask could help reduce the spread of infection and common sense telling me that a barrier could limit the spread of droplets and sprays that could contain germs. Heck, I even went so far as to ask myself what it would cost me to wear one for the sake of others. And the answer was, absolutely nothing!

    Did you do any math on how wearing a mask might change people’s behavior and decisions? If people are making the same decisions either way then wearing the mask helps prevent the spread. However, because masks are not 100% effective, if wearing a mask causes a person to make decisions that increase their overall risk of exposure then we all might be in a different situation. For example, if a mask reduces the chances of spreading by half but then a person puts themselves in situations that increase their chances of spreading 4x, or maybe by orders of magnitude, we haven’t decreased overall risk. Yes, you can still claim that wearing a mask reduces the chances of spreading but you’re only looking at part of the picture. Since wearing a mask is given as a solution to “getting things back on track” and it is why the protests are ok because they were outside and people wore masks this issue of overall risk isn’t hypothetical.

    All of that is independent of whether the mandates are morally justifiable. They aren’t. The experts, and certainly not the average person, have no idea what the actual overall effect of mask-wearing is but people are still chomping at the bit to use the power of the state to compel it based on “science”.

    frosty (f27e97)

  141. For me, the most important thing about wearing a mask, and not the stylish ones either but the unmistakably medical blue ones, is giving the finger to Trump. But not exchanging spit with total strangers from six feet away at the Jewel or Home Depot is good, too.

    nk (1d9030)

  142. nk sums it up perfectly.

    It’s why Tom Hanks now, this week, calls Americans p*ssies for not wearing masks, as opposed to three weeks ago when the protests gave a finger to such scolding.

    beer ‘n pretzels (afb340)

  143. Not wearing a mask is 100% not effected. Wearing a mask is not not 100% not effective. As we’ve seen with the youts and the silly morons, they’re still going to go out and about. Anything above zero percent effective is infinity better.

    That’s math.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  144. ‘…the lyingest, most corrupt president in American history.’

    Richard Milhous Nixon

    “Therefore, I shall resign the Presidency effective at noon tomorrow.” – Richard Nixon, August 8, 1974

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  145. I think wearing a mask makes sense and shows concern, but I also think frosty’s points are reasonable. There is a lot they don’t know and mandating behavior that might not work is also a concern. But what I really hate is having the police enforce it. There is too much going on with/for the police right now to add mask enforcement to their job description.

    DRJ (aede82)

  146. I think it’s very possiblw that we started out with 70% or more herd immunity.

    This wold be because it’s been estimated that the average person has been exposed to 3 out the 4 coronaviruses that only give you a cold. This could be like cowpox vs smallpox.

    The antibodies that people develop aren’t particular to whether it is something SARS2 shares in common with them or not so there;s be a lot of carryover immunity, or near immunity.

    Therefore it may not take too many people getting infected to stall the spread of the virus.

    Only 20% of the people in a region getting infected maybe is enough. (now do the better antibody tests limit themselves to the part of the virus that is novel? Is that all unique to Covid-19?)

    It maybe can’t spread widely again in New York, or even Wisconsin, but only in places like Texas that never really got a strong first wave.

    There is also said to be a milder (or less infectious, maybe not milder) strain and more infectious strain of Covid.

    It is said to be mutation. But I think the more infectious strain is the original, that was first detected in Wuhan. It came directly to Italy. What circulated in the rest of China (and got out more) was less infectious.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  147. 154. DRJ (aede82) — 7/3/2020 @ 9:22 am

    But what I really hate is having the police enforce it.

    They’re not doing that in most places. It’s a big bluff. Some stores do do that.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  148. 148. frosty (f27e97) — 7/3/2020 @ 8:34 am

    . Did you do any math on how wearing a mask might change people’s behavior and decisions? If people are making the same decisions either way then wearing the mask helps prevent the spread. However, because masks are not 100% effective, if wearing a mask causes a person to make decisions that increase their overall risk of exposure then we all might be in a different situation.

    No, no, this risk of illness is lower, because a mask increases the chance that, if someone is exposed to virus containing droplets, it will be a smaller dose, and thus will amount to a vaccination. (not counting the 70% to 80% of the population that is already vaccinated because some time ago they got one of the the cowpox versions of the coronavirus.)

    http://dhss.alaska.gov/dph/Epi/id/Pages/Human-Coronavirus.aspx

    There are seven coronaviruses that can infect people. People around the world commonly get infected with these four human coronaviruses: 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1. They usually cause a mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illness, like the common cold that people catch every year.

    https://f1000researchdata.s3.amazonaws.com/manuscripts/25889/217469a8-2587-4836-84fb-349e33eecab6_23458_-_johannes_dijkstra.pdf

    Abstract

    SARS-CoV-2 is the coronavirus agent of the COVID-19 pandemic causing high mortalities. In contrast, the widely spread human coronaviruses OC43,
    HKU1, 229E, and NL63 tend to cause only mild symptoms. The present study shows, by in silico analysis, that these common human viruses are expected to induce immune memory against SARS-CoV-2 by sharing protein fragments (antigen epitopes) for presentation to the immune system by MHC class I. A list of such epitopes is provided. The number of these epitopes and the prevalence of the common coronaviruses suggest  that a large part of the world population has some degree of specific immunity against SARS-CoV-2 already,  even without having been infected by that virus. 

    For inducing protection, booster vaccinations enhancing existing immunity are less demanding than primary vaccinations against new antigens. Therefore, for the discussion on vaccination strategies against COVID-19, the available immune memory against related viruses should be part of the consideration.

    Emphasis mine.

    For example, if a mask reduces the chances of spreading by half but then a person puts themselves in situations that increase their chances of spreading 4x, or maybe by orders of magnitude, we haven’t decreased overall risk. Yes, you can still claim that wearing a mask reduces the chances of spreading but you’re only looking at part of the picture. Since wearing a mask is given as a solution to “getting things back on track” and it is why the protests are ok because they were outside and people wore masks this issue of overall risk isn’t hypothetical.

    All of that is independent of whether the mandates are morally justifiable. They aren’t. The experts, and certainly not the average person, have no idea what the actual overall effect of mask-wearing is but people are still chomping at the bit to use the power of the state to compel it based on “science”.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  149. For example, if a mask reduces the chances of spreading by half but then a person puts themselves in situations that increase their chances of spreading 4x, or maybe by orders of magnitude, we haven’t decreased overall risk.

    But a mask may mean it’s milder infection.

    All of that is independent of whether the mandates are morally justifiable. They aren’t. The experts, and certainly not the average person, have no idea what the actual overall effect of mask-wearing is but people are still chomping at the bit to use the power of the state to compel it based on “science”.

    The experts don’t even understand we are starting out with maybe 75% de facto herd immunity.

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  150. I think it’s very possiblw that we started out with 70% or more herd immunity.

    It’s 100% unpossible

    This wold be because it’s been estimated that the average person has been exposed to 3 out the 4 coronaviruses that only give you a cold. This could be like cowpox vs smallpox.

    One thing is not another thing

    The antibodies that people develop aren’t particular to whether it is something SARS2 shares in common with them or not so there;s be a lot of carryover immunity, or near immunity.

    That’s not how any of that works

    Therefore it may not take too many people getting infected to stall the spread of the virus

    If the 100% wrong take were right 1+blue+kumquats+moonrocks=baby

    Good lord

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  151. Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc) — 7/3/2020 @ 9:49 am

    But a mask may mean it’s milder infection.

    We have reason to believe this applies to a specific interaction based on our understanding of the impact of lower viral loads. But how does this work if you wear the same mask all day, interact with larger numbers of people than you would without it, or engage in some other behavior that increases your overall exposure. Again, if the mask reduces the viral load of a 1 minute interaction by half but you are now willing to interact for 5 minutes because you’ve got no real idea how this really works have you ensured a milder infection? What if it means you still have 1 minute interactions but are willing to tolerate more of them because you aren’t as worried, the mask is protecting you after all. Viral load is a function of quantity and time and the information we’re getting on mask-wearing is thin. Do you know how long you should wear a specific mask before it becomes less effective? Do you know how to evaluate the effectiveness of a mask given that they aren’t all the same? Do you have any idea how to factor that into your overall behavior? Anything above zero percent effective is infinity better is a very simplistic analysis that could have unexpected consequences. Or at least unexpected by people who don’t want to think critically,

    Again, I’m in favor of wearing masks and I wear them. But there is a difference between a mask lowering the amount of virus being spread by a specific person at any given moment, or even per unit time, and it lowering the overall risk of that person spreading the virus generally. Those two things are related but they aren’t the same thing.

    For example, wearing body armor increases your chance of surviving a gunshot. It doesn’t change your chances of getting shot. In fact, people wearing body armor on average have a higher chance of getting shot than people who don’t and it’s also incorrect to say wearing body armor causes that increased chance. There is a relationship between them but the cause and effect and statistical analysis of those things are different.

    On the mandating issue which is separate; if you are in favor of mandating masks will you be in favor of it after covid is under control (for some definition of control that we can argue about later)? After all, covid isn’t the only virus that kills and not exchanging spit with total strangers from six feet away will still be a thing. If this is based on saving lives are you also in favor of mandating other things, like more exercise and a better diet, that save lives from heart disease, cancer, etc? Is there any sort of cost-benefit analysis going on and can you articulate it?

    Back in Feb and Mar, I was in favor of a lot of things based on the data we had at the time. The cost-benefit looked different than it does now and that’s caused me to change my position.

    frosty (f27e97)

  152. One thing is not another thing

    I think they’re something like 70% or more identical.

    I explained why every one of my statements you take issue with is likely true.

    1) It’s very possible that we started out with 70% or more herd immunity.

    2) This could be like cowpox vs smallpox.

    3) Antibodies that people develop aren’t particular to whether it is something SARS-Cov-2 shares in common with them or not so there’d be a lot of carryover immunity, or near immunity.

    https://virological.org/t/remarkable-age-distribution-of-oc43-vs-sars-cov-2-in-china/399

    A second corollary could be that immunity to the more highly conserved S2, using OC43 or HKU1 as sources of immunogen, may afford a jump start on immunization of those who have not yet experienced the presence of SARS-CoV-2 in their communities.

    4) It may not take too many people getting infected to stall the spread of the virus

    And I think that’s exactly what we are seeing.

    That could be why protests did not start a new wave of infections in places that had a high level of infection, but only in places that didn’t.

    Herd immunity is not at a 30% or so level In New York. It’s well near 95% of the population that is immune.

    Texas, however added much less to the base of 60% to 70% or so, so the virus can still spread..

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  153. I think they’re something like 70% or more identical.

    Well then…SCIENCE!!!

    As long as you think that. A view shared by zero science, zero doctors, zero people who know things.

    99% of Human DNA is shared with a Chimp, that’s why they’re the same thing.

    70% of DNA is shared between Humans and the acorn worm, totally the same.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  154. You mean this Gatestone Institute? You know, who is staunchly Pro-Trump.

    Gatestone Institute is a far-right think tank known for publishing anti-Muslim articles. It was founded in 2008 by Nina Rosenwald, who serves as its president.

    Gatestone is an anti-Muslim group. The organization has attracted attention for publishing false or inaccurate articles, some of which were shared widely.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  155. Meanwhile…

    At the request of many great Americans who live in the Suburbs, and others, I am studying the AFFH housing regulation that is having a devastating impact on these once thriving Suburban areas. Corrupt Joe Biden wants to make them MUCH WORSE. Not fair to homeowners, I may END!

    This is the thing he wants to end.

    The AFFH rule was meant to fulfill requirements of the Fair Housing Act, which was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1968. The Fair Housing Act brought an end to practices such as redlining and racial covenants in home deeds. But the law was also supposed to require local governments to work to desegregate neighborhoods across the country.

    Under the AFFH rule, any locality that receives block-grant funds from HUD was required to produce an assessment determining its efforts toward assuring fair housing. In 2018, HUD Secretary Ben Carson announced that implementation of the rule would be delayed.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  156. #163

    99% of Human DNA is shared with a Chimp, that’s why they’re the same thing.

    70% of DNA is shared between Humans and the acorn worm, totally the same.
    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 7/3/2020 @ 11:14 am

    We share half our genes with bananas, which obviously accounts for this. Try explaining that away with your elitist science knowing.

    lurker (d8c5bc)


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