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6/27/2020

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:49 am



[guest post by Dana]

Here are a few news items you might find of interest. Please feel free to share what’s on your radar these days. Make sure to include links.

First news item

Welp, if he gets a second term, it looks to be…uh…yeah…something:

Sean Hannity: (35:55)
Let’s talk about a second term. If you hear in 131 days from now, at some point in the night or early morning, we can now project Donald J. Trump has been reelected the 45th president of the United States. Let’s talk. What’s at stake in this election as you compare and contrast, and what is one of your top priority items for a second term?

Donald Trump: (36:17)
Well, one of the things that will be really great… You know, the word experience is still good. I always say talent is more important than experience. I’ve always said that, but the word experience is a very important word. It’s a very important meeting. I never did this before. I never slept over in Washington. I was in Washington, I think, 17 times. All of a sudden, I’m president of the United States. You know the story. I’m riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our First Lady and I say, “This is great.”

Second news item

Regrets from Texas:

Gov. Greg Abbott…took his most drastic action yet to respond to the post-reopening coronavirus surge in Texas, shutting bars back down and scaling back restaurant capacity to 50%.

He also shut down river-rafting trips, which have been blamed for a swift rise in cases in Hays County, and banned outdoor gatherings of over 100 people unless local officials approve.

“At this time, it is clear that the rise in cases is largely driven by certain types of activities, including Texans congregating in bars,” Abbott said in a news release. “The actions in this executive order are essential to our mission to swiftly contain this virus and protect public health.”

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Also, Harris County sent out an alert to residents Friday afternoon, warning that the Covid threat level was elevated to LEVEL 1 (RED) SEVERE.

Third news item

Young author self-cancels before others do it for her:

Alexandra Duncan has canceled her young adult novel Ember Days mere days after its cover reveal on BookPage. An hour after Duncan posted the cover reveal for the book, which was slated for a March 2021 release from Greenwillow Books, an imprint of HarperCollins, to her Twitter feed, an author questioned the representation within the novel, which was noted in the book’s description: “Naomi is the granddaughter of a powerful Gullah conjure woman, sent to Charleston to combat an evil force circling the city and hiding in plain sight as Deidre’s protégé.”

Duncan acknowledged the concern, responding, “I definitely struggled with whether it was okay for me to write about a culture outside my own and especially about the difficult topic of passing, which Naomi does for part of the book while going undercover in an all-white magical society,” further explaining that her decision to write from the perspective of a character with Gullah Geechee heritage stemmed from an interest in writing about folk magic traditions from “her area of the South.”

Fourth news item

Should racism be allowed to stand on public land?

GAZETTE: What about the slippery slope argument? Many of America’s founders — George Washington, Thomas Jefferson — owned slaves. Does removing statues of Columbus or Confederate officials pave the way for action against monuments honoring those who helped create the United States?

GORDON-REED: I suppose, if people want to, everything can pave the way to some other point. I’ve said it before: There is an important difference between helping to create the United States and trying to destroy it. Both Washington and Jefferson were critical to the formation of the country and to the shaping of it in its early years. They are both excellent candidates for the kind of contextualization you alluded to. The Confederate statues were put up when they were put up [not just after the war but largely during periods of Civil Rights tension in the 20th century], to send a message about white supremacy, and to sentimentalize people who had actively fought to preserve the system of slavery. No one puts a monument up to Washington or Jefferson to promote slavery. The monuments go up because, without Washington, there likely would not have been an American nation. They put up monuments to T.J. because of the Declaration of Independence, which every group has used to make their place in American society. Or they go up because of T.J.’s views on separation of church and state and other values that we hold dear. I think on these two, Washington and Jefferson, in particular, you take the bitter with sweet. The main duty is not to hide the bitter parts.

Fifth news item

House passes bill to make D.C. 51st state:

The Democratic-led House of Representatives passed a bill Friday that would make Washington, D.C., the 51st state, though Republicans and the White House have voiced their opposition to the measure.

The bill, aptly named “H.R. 51,” passed on a mostly party-line vote of 232-180. One Democrat, Rep. Collin Peterson of Minnesota, voted against it.

Sixth news item

He had wanted to help mend the racial divide:

The mother of former Minneapolis police officer J. Alexander Kueng, now facing charges of aiding and abetting the murder of George Floyd, told the New York Times that her son had joined the police force to bridge the gap between races. In a painfully sad interview, Kueng’s white mother Joni Kueng said she raised him alone after his father, who was from Nigeria, left. She said he was troubled after a Black sibling was harassed by police and decided to join the force. “He said, ‘Don’t you think that that needs to be done from the inside?’” his mother said, referring to increasing police brutality against Black offenders. “That’s part of the reason why he wanted to become a police officer—and a black police officer on top of it—is to bridge that gap in the community, change the narrative between the officers and the black community.” Floyd’s death occurred on Kueng’s third shift as a full officer with the Minneapolis Police Department.

But of course he is most concerned with himself:

At the same time President Donald Trump insists that it is OK to reopen America, he is privately scaling up anti-COVID-19 protection measures around him out of fear that contracting the virus would be a bad look, according to CNN. The White House has phased out mask wearing and temperature taking in the West Wing to show that the country is moving forward, but the relaxing of protective measures has not extended to the president’s inner circle. While he refuses to wear a mask in public, he reportedly has insisted that any room he will be in is scrubbed and sanitized and that his staff and those close to them are constantly tested.

Have a good weekend.

–Dana

369 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  2. Making DC a state is simply absurd. If the whole point of that city being carved out from the states is no longer important, obviously give the city back, whether the state wants it or not.

    I had no problem with the gigantic BLACK LIVES MATTER scrawled near the White House, mainly because the White House’s actions related to the protests deserved a response, but the city does tend to be hostile to republican leaders, and perhaps it is time to give the city back.

    We’ve seen that remote work is actually superior. It’s cheaper and saves time. For congress, they should work from a district office at home. Committee hearings should be written discussions that everyone can see, votes should be remote with written explanations everyone can see. The Capitol can be a museum.

    If anything, higher courts work better over Zoom than they do in person, with better moderation and better public access, and also saving tremendous efforts for spectacle’s sake.

    Our Presidents have often made a big show of flying around with the circus of chubby Cadillacs, but for the most part this is pure waste. This is a President, not a King. They can do almost all their work from any location they want.

    So no need to make DC a state as some stunt, but yeah, definitely get rid of this protected federal thing that doesn’t seem necessary.

    Dustin (e3a6ae)

  3. I would add Sarah Cooper’s interpretation of the exchange between Hannity and Trump.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  4. Done!

    Dana (25e0dc)

  5. Yes feed the terrorist susan rosenbergs ego, has that ever worked in your experience, statues of abolitionists are destroyed, no pithy comeback.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  6. Dana! You da lady!

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  7. Susan rosenberg tried to bomb the Capitol building in 1984, bill clinton pardoned her.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  8. Maryland and Virginia would have to be insane to want DC reincorporated back into their states.

    nk (1d9030)

  9. Your proof that they arent, is what now?

    Narciso (7404b5)

  10. Isn’t a Gullah a female cannibalistic Djinni (or Afrit) from where we get the word “ghoul”?

    nk (1d9030)

  11. While he refuses to wear a mask in public, he reportedly has insisted that any room he will be in is scrubbed and sanitized and that his staff and those close to them are constantly tested.

    SLOW THE TESTING DOWN PLEASE.

    Dave (1bb933)

  12. No its west african, derivation of angola

    Narciso (7404b5)

  13. WaPo: Trumps keeps claiming that the most dangerous cities in America are all run by Democrats, they’re not
    _

    Wait till you see the graph they attached:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1276872425997656070
    _

    harkin (f58543)

  14. I’ve been reading Richard Burton’s (no, not the actor, the real one) 1001 Arabian Nights but kind of gave up around the 22nd night. As the Sultana said to the Mameluke, it’s very, very long.

    nk (1d9030)

  15. “ To insist that the conclusion that the arguer wishes to reach, with its implied corollary commandment, must be accepted by his or her opponent as a premise before the argument begins is not the move of a person who has confidence in their truth. It is the opposite of any form of reasoned argument. It is coercive.

    Except the people who argue this way claim that they cannot possibly be coercive, because you must accept the premise that they don’t have power—even if they are editing The New York Times Magazine, or threatening to get you fired from your job. You say they can’t have it both ways? They say, why not—and then accuse you of opposing the powerless, which, it turns out, is a form of authority that cannot be trumped.”

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/new-truth-rationalism-religion
    _

    harkin (f58543)

  16. @8-
    The Virginia portion was returned in 1846.

    Rip Murdock (0240e5)

  17. Abbott refusing to allow cities to require masks until the cities fought him on the issue didn’t help, either.

    aphrael (7962af)

  18. Princeton cancels Woodrow Wilson

    University trustees concluded that Wilson’s “racist thinking and policies make him an inappropriate namesake for a school or college,” Princeton’s president said on Saturday.

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy…

    Dave (1bb933)

  19. Yeah, cancel “our” history. At a protest to support a store in Branson MO that sells confederate memorabilia and owners are in the KKK, Dixie Outfitters. Lots of confederate flags, and Trump flags, losers all.

    In the video, a woman sitting on the tailgate of a truck with a Confederate flag attached and wearing a camouflage Make America Great Again cap gets into a heated confrontation with a Black Lives Matter demonstrator.

    The woman, Kathy Jenkins of Branson, who told reporters at the scene that her last name is Bennett, stood up and shouted to the demonstrators, “I will teach my grandkids to hate you all.”

    Then she said “suck on this” and shrouded herself with a Confederate flag. Jenkins then turned around, made a fist and said, “KKK belief.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  20. The residential parts of DC should be returned to Maryland (Prince William and Prince George’s counties in Maryland are in the top twenty wealthiest counties in the US) and the federal district can defined as Embassy Row and the area around the White House and Capitol encompassing the headquarters of federal agencies.

    Rip Murdock (0240e5)

  21. Miami-Dade County will close their beaches for July 4th weekend (the 3rd-7th), and possibly longer, if necessary. That is sure to cause a ruckus.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  22. John Wayne is next?

    At the heart of the latest drive is a widely discussed 1971 Playboy Interview in which Wayne makes bigoted statements against Blacks, Native Americans and the LGBTQ community.

    He infamously said, “I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.”

    He later said that although he didn’t condone slavery, “I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves.”

    He also felt no remorse in the subjugation of Native Americans.

    “I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. … [O]ur so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival,” he said. “There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.”

    He also considered movies such as “Easy Rider” and “Midnight Cowboy” perverted, and used a gay slur to refer to the two main characters of the latter film.

    Dave (1bb933)

  23. The conversation that seems slow to emerge is: will police unions relinquish influence on officer discipline and accountability….and transparency? Will local legislators more aggressively push for such reforms? Is it healthy for police unions to play a significant role in funding campaigns for officials who have to manage those departments? Yes, it’s a basic speech right….but does it create a conflict of interest when we get to these negotiated deals.

    Still, the police culture issue is a tough nut to crack. You want cops to have each other’s backs….but does it go too far….so police are trained how to shade their reports of questionable shoots or arrests to minimize accountability. Even the report of George Floyd conspicuously lacked the detail of the officer kneeling on Floyd’s neck. There’s a lot of areas that could be worked on without all of this other dubious canceling and virtue signaling going on. Times have largely changed….there is no generalized cover or toleration for racism any more. Society may not be perfect, but the change in attitudes and what is accepted from the 1970’s to today has been remarkable. There will always be holdouts….but they mainly hang out in the shadows

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  24. I remember reading an article a year or two ago in which a veteran newspaper editor lamented the fact that modern journalism students graduate from their j-school programs and all they really want to do is write about their own experience. He was saying that it was difficult to get them to go cover a city council meeting because they have so little training in this sort of thing, and that when they interview politicians and candidates they tend to frame their questions in reference to the journalist’s own experience. He felt that one of the problems is that modern college newspapers contain very little actual reporting, mostly opinion columns and lifestyle columns. Having visited lots of campuses myself, I can attest to that.

    In any case, this kerfuffle about novelists writing about cultures that are not their own ties into this. Once upon a time it would have been considered a great skill to learn about another culture and then create rich and interesting characters based within that culture. We would have congratulated a young white author who could write sympathetically about the Gullah or a black author who could write about Japan. But now, in these highly stupid days, we instead lash out against them and accuse them of cultural appropriation. In so many ways we are drifting back to segregation, with everyone being expected to stay in their own lanes.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  25. A group spread face mask exemption cards on Facebook. The DOJ says they are fraudulent
    …….
    The laminated cards feature an image of an eagle and say “Face Mask Exempt Card” in bold letters across the top. They appear to be geared toward people trying to skirt state and business requirements to wear face masks in public, or to receive service. The card also references the DOJ and the Americans with Disabilities Act.

    But Freedom to Breathe Agency, the group that posted them on its website and distributed the cards, isn’t a federal or state agency. It’s a Facebook group that says on its website it’s trying to stop face mask orders “from spreading nationwide and globally.”
    …….
    The DOJ’s Civil Rights division and a US Attorney’s office have now posted warnings about the cards, calling them fraudulent.

    “Do not be fooled by the chicanery and misappropriation of the DOJ eagle,” Matthew G.T. Martin, US attorney for the Middle District of North Carolina, said in a news release. “These cards do not carry the force of law. The ‘Freedom to Breathe Agency,’ or ‘FTBA,’ is not a government agency.”
    ……..
    There are multiple versions of the main card, including specific ones for Colorado and California.

    “I am exempt from any ordinance requiring face mask usage in public,” one of the cards says. “Wearing a face mask poses a mental and/or physical risk to me.”
    ……..
    “Denying access to your business/organization will also be reported to FTBA for further actions,” it reads, in all capital letters, at the bottom.
    …….
    ……. Facebook removed the group for “fraud and deception.”
    …….
    Gryph?

    Rip Murdock (0240e5)

  26. “I definitely struggled with whether it was okay for me to write about a culture outside my own”

    I guess the NY Times will have to stop reporting on anything west of the Hudson or south of Long Island. Maybe not even Long Island.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  27. @26-
    I tend to separate artists professional lives from their personal lives. Wayne was a popular, but journeyman actor. His best films were playing against type-The Searchers, She Wore A Yellow Ribbon, and The Shootist.

    Another actor/director who has been “canceled” is Woody Allen. You can add Roman Polanski to the list, but since their sins were personal and not political they don’t fit the “cancel culture” narrative.

    Rip Murdock (0240e5)

  28. The DC Statehood bill is too cute for words, trying to dodge the need to amend the federal district language in the Constititution (put there to make sure no state had the advantage of hosting the federal capitol). By redefining the federal district to be a few blocks near the White House and Mall, they then carve out the rest as a new (and very tiny) state.

    Perhaps folks who want to carve up Texas and California, and maybe New York and Illinois, can make them a deal. As it stands this is just posturing. It will take the nuking of the filibuster to get this done.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  29. I agree, JVW. The whole “cultural appropriation” thing is incredibly stupid.

    To imitate or adopt elements of another culture is to honor them and affirm that they have value no less than one’s own.

    And this process of building on the innovations and accomplishments of all cultures has been the single most important means of improving the human condition worldwide for millennia.

    Dave (1bb933)

  30. Re: “I definitely struggled with whether it was okay for me to write about a culture outside my own and especially about the difficult topic of passing,…”

    This makes no sense to me. I read in order to learn about cultures outside my own and about actions that I am unlikely to take during my lifetime.

    John B Boddie (f44786)

  31. John Wayne was what he was. An outspoken actor of the “Greatest Generation”, most of whom were just as racist as he was. This retconning of the past is tiresome and will end in tears. MLK, Jr was no saint when it came to women you know.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  32. Another actor/director who has been “canceled” is Woody Allen.

    Dealing with people who offend CONTEMPORARY mores is different than digging up graves.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  33. Trump Calls For Tougher Republican Response To ‘Political War’
    ……..
    In response to a question on whether he expects to soon be banned by Twitter — where he has over 82 million followers — Trump said: “Yes, I do.”

    The president believes the ban from the popular platform will happen in the fall before the 2020 election, an opinion shared by others in the White House. For Trump and those close to him, Twitter’s reaction to two recent tweets — including one where he warned rioters against breaking the law — are being taken as warning shots.

    “Some people say I should join Parler,” Trump said. “Maybe. We do have over 194 million followers, though, across multiple sites.” Trump complimented Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg, saying he had been far more open and less biased in his treatment. But as for a Twitter ban: “I expect it will hurt them more than they realize.”
    …….

    Rip Murdock (0240e5)

  34. Gryph?

    Gryph don’t need no STEENKIN’ card to show his contempt for public health!

    Dave (1bb933)

  35. MLK, Jr was no saint when it came to women you know.
    He wasn’t racist though. He loved both black and white women.

    Rip Murdock (0240e5)

  36. WaPo: Trumps keeps claiming that the most dangerous cities in America are all run by Democrats, they’re not

    Absolutely correct. Not “ALL.” Just “damn near all.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  37. 35.John Wayne was what he was.

    Except he wasn’t: Marion Morrison was a toupeed thespian.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  38. Isn’t a Gullah a female cannibalistic Djinni (or Afrit) from where we get the word “ghoul”?

    No, it’s an isolated Creole-speaking African-American community descended from former slaves. It’s most prominent member is Justice Thomas.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  39. @39. He wasn’t racist though. He loved both black and white women.

    Which makes him decidedly Jeffersonian. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. About the young author who self-cancelled: I read American Dirt specifically because the white author had been attacked for writing about immigrants coming across the border to the U.S. The scolds decided that she had no business writing about a culture of which she was not a part. Mind you: this is a work of fiction. It came from her imagination. She never presented it as anything but that. And frankly, the only reason I read it was because I read about the Latina authors attacking her for having the nerve to write a piece of fiction that involved illegal immigration, fleeing a corrupt government, and a daring story of a woman determined to get her young son across the border and to safety. It was an incredibly compelling and gut-wrenching story, beautifully told, and with an obvious eye for detail based on extensive research. Tell me a writer is being bullied because they dared to write a fictional story about X, and I’m buying that book and digging in full force. How dare anyone presume to tell someone else that they cannot write a story they make up, no matter who it involves.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  41. FTR, ghoul is an Arabic word.

    Kishnevi (18234a)

  42. On a completely different subject, there are just two more days of this year’s session left for the Supremes to rule on two cases involving Trump’s tax returns.

    Certain to be a news item, one way or another, early next week…

    Also an abortion-related case (creating new restrictions that doctors in Louisiana must meet to perform abortions) still pending.

    Dave (1bb933)

  43. How dare anyone presume to tell someone else that they cannot write a story they make up, no matter who it involves.

    Man, you just don’t understand how important a coordinated narrative is.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  44. How dare anyone presume to tell someone else that they cannot write a story they make up, no matter who it involves.

    It can’t be long until marginalized hobbits, elves and dwarves come after J.R.R. Tolkien…

    Dave (1bb933)

  45. The stock price of “content of their character” has plummeted, while “color of their skin” is at a 52-week high.

    beer ‘n pretzels (b27f61)

  46. Which makes him decidedly Jeffersonian. 😉
    Except MLK’s women weren’t slaves.

    Rip Murdock (0240e5)

  47. It can’t be long until marginalized hobbits, elves and dwarves come after J.R.R. Tolkien

    Future editions will have Gandalf, Glorfindel and one of the hobbits (but not Sam) as beings of color.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  48. Texas Republicans move forward with plans for an indoor convention in Houston, the state’s biggest coronavirus hot spot
    ……..
    ……. Harris County, where Houston is located, has the highest number of coronavirus cases and deaths in the state, but the Texas GOP plans to press forward with plans to hold an in-person convention from July 16-18 in the city’s George R. Brown Convention Center.
    …….
    ……. The Texas GOP convention is expected to draw about 6,000 attendees, roughly half of what it would expect for such a convention in normal times, according to Whatley. ……..

    David Lakey, the former commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services, said he believes large indoor gatherings of more than 100 people are not advisable at this time.
    …….
    The party does not plan to require masks at the convention, though chairman James Dickey acknowledged Tuesday that Harris County is currently under an order mandating that businesses require customers to wear masks.
    ……..
    “If you have a convention where there’s a large number of people inside, sitting close to each other, especially without masks, then no one should be surprised that there will be people that will get infected in that setting,” he said.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (0240e5)

  49. Future editions will have Gandalf, Glorfindel and one of the hobbits (but not Sam) as beings of color.

    Gandalf was already a being of color (Grey then *trigger alert* White).

    Dave (1bb933)

  50. #43…that’s the in-laws (or beard in Mitchie’s case) talking, Dave – same as with the G. Abbott turnaround.

    urbanleftbehind (2641dd)

  51. Karen Tumulty (political columnist for the Washington Post)
    @ktumulty

    Opinion | It’s time to rethink the presidential debates
    __ _

    ßlair Anton
    @blairantonshow
    ·
    Haha. Already begun. Find a way to shield Biden. Haha.
    __ _

    T-Covfefe
    @MyPlace4U
    ·
    Joe can’t do live, unedited interviews, can barely complete sentences, can’t do debates, but wants to be President? Do you hear yourself?
    __ _

    Anchorman30
    @robertanchor
    ·
    Nope, nothing’s changing just to appease your obvious concerns over Biden. If we can have people marching, looting, and destroying property in the streets, then we can have debates.
    __ _

    Kaye
    @Liberty4Life73
    ·
    Hilarious the lady who gave the blackface governor a pass, wants to rethink the presidential debates.

    Media is so corrupt….
    __ _

    Lulu Lapin
    @Lulu_Lapin
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    Why do Dems always want to rethink things when they are losing?
    _

    harkin (f58543)

  52. Opinion | It’s time to rethink the presidential debates

    Do you even bother reading what people say before you blindly demonize them?

    Her proposal (given that one venue has already backed out due to public health concerns) was to hold them without a live audience.

    Dave (1bb933)

  53. 38. You’re right. And George Washington and his buddies didn’t need any card to display their contempt for King George and Parliament, either.

    Gryph (08c844)

  54. Gryph don’t need no STEENKIN’ card to show his contempt for public health!

    Dave (1bb933) — 6/27/2020 @ 11:29 am

    Do you even bother reading what people say before you blindly demonize them?

    […]

    Dave (1bb933) — 6/27/2020 @ 1:03 pm

    Hypocrisy in 94 minutes. Not a record but impressive.

    frosty (f27e97)

  55. And George Washington and his buddies didn’t need any card to display their contempt for King George and Parliament, either.

    I’m sure they’ll carve your (mask-free) face into Mt. Rushmore someday, right next to Donald Trump’s!

    Dave (1bb933)

  56. Hypocrisy in 94 minutes. Not a record but impressive.

    Except Gryph proudly agreed with me:

    38. You’re right.

    Dave (1bb933)

  57. Gryph at least has the courage of his convictions. The card people, claiming HIPAA or “breathing problems” just want to be able to lie without consequence.

    Davethulhu (125ee4)

  58. Some of you people here are mischaracterizing my “arguments.” My repetition of “No, I won’t” isn’t an argument. It is a statement of fact. And in that fashion, I am absolutely correct and speaking truth. I am not doing something I said I wouldn’t and won’t do. That’s a statement of fact as far as it goes, but I don’t really expect anyone to be swayed who isn’t already on the fence.

    Gryph (08c844)

  59. 62. Thank you, DT.

    Gryph (08c844)

  60. @3

    I would add Sarah Cooper’s interpretation of the exchange between Hannity and Trump.
    Paul Montagu (c8b54e) — 6/27/2020 @ 9:14 am

    ♥♥♥Sean Trump♥♥♥

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  61. Gryph at least has the courage of his convictions.

    Exactly my point. Pretending you got permission from the government to be a special snowflake would kill the whole buzz.

    The card people, claiming HIPAA or “breathing problems” just want to be able to lie without consequence.

    Speaking of which…

    (h/t Drudge)

    Dave (1bb933)

  62. 66. I’m not that guy, Dave. I’ve never made a big deal over it like that and I never would. Where masks are required, I just don’t go. Again it’s worth noting, I don’t have a lot to lose here and I know it. The only direct impact this has had on me is that I am delaying a trip I planned last year to visit a friend of mine who lives in Albuquerque.

    Gryph (08c844)

  63. Gun Maker Remington Preps for Bankruptcy, Seeks Sale to Navajo Nation
    Firearms manufacturer Remington Arms Co. is preparing to file for chapter 11 protection for the second time since 2018 and is in advanced talks for potential bankruptcy sale to the Navajo Nation, people familiar with the matter said.

    The bankruptcy filing could come within days as the gun maker makes preparations for the Navajo Nation to serve as the lead bidder to purchase Remington’s assets out of chapter 11, these people said……..

    The Navajo Nation—a territory with roughly 175,000 people across parts of Utah, Arizona, New Mexico—could finalize a bid for Remington as soon as Friday, one of the people said. Any bid for the company would be subject to competing offers and require bankruptcy-court approval. …….
    ……..
    The (firearms) industry’s fortunes also tend to rise and fall based on the country’s political climate. Under former President Obama, firearm sales rose as enthusiasts feared gun control. Demand has generally fallen since President Trump took office, though the number of gun background checks—a proxy for sales—rose in recent months as fearful Americans rushed to stock up on firearms and ammunition during the coronavirus pandemic.
    ………..
    Sweet revenge alert!

    Rip Murdock (b6106c)

  64. Trump’s Tulsa Rally Drew People From Dozens of Virus Hot Spots in U.S.
    Mobile-phone location data from people who attended President Donald Trump’s rally in Oklahoma show that most came from outside Tulsa, hailing from at least 44 counties spread across 12 states. Covid-19 is on the rise in 33 of them.
    …….
    People came from places including Tarrant County, Texas — home to Fort Worth — where new cases were up more than 50% in the two weeks before the rally. There’s also Shelby County, Tennessee, where Memphis is located, which put plans to loosen restrictions on hold last week after new infections spiked, and Wake County in North Carolina, where the state capital of Raleigh is and the virus is spreading faster than anywhere else in the state.
    …….
    Steve Jimenez drove 300 miles from Fort Worth to attend the rally. He said the virus is a hoax.

    “It’s about control,” Jimenez, 61, said while camped outside the arena on the eve of the rally. “The numbers are fabricated. They’re not real.”

    …….. How widely infections may spread after attendees head home won’t be known for weeks as it can take two to 14 days for symptoms to show.
    ……….
    Most rally-goers from the sample analyzed were in-state, including 40% from Tulsa itself. The county accounts for the biggest share of infections in the state, with 2,949 of Oklahoma’s 11,948 total cases. Oklahoma City, where average new cases were up more than 75% in the two weeks before the rally, was also well-represented: 15% came from four counties in the region.
    …….
    The Tulsa Health Department is encouraging anyone who attended the events to get tested within five to seven days, spokeswoman Leanne Stephens said in an email.
    ……..
    They only thing scarier than not wearing a mask at Trump’s rally is the cellphone location tracking.

    Rip Murdock (b6106c)

  65. If purchase goes through, expect a lot of memery in this vein.

    urbanleftbehind (263d05)

  66. Trump’s Tulsa Rally Drew People From Dozens of Virus Hot Spots in U.S.

    It’s called the fever swamp for a reason.

    Dave (1bb933)

  67. Minneapolis city council votes to disband police — but pays $4500 a day for private security

    https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/06/27/course-minneapolis-city-council-votes-disband-police-pays-4500-day-private-securty/

    “ “Those things that we called the police department are gone,” Gordon said. “Certainly, there is a provision in here that would allow this council or future councils to maintain a Division of Law Enforcement Services, but I think what we need to do is have that possibility there and talk to people about what the future should look like.”“
    _

    Lol Seattle is showing the world what that future will look like.

    Coming to a Dem-controlled city near you.
    _

    harkin (f58543)

  68. Sweet revenge alert”
    __

    More like sweet delusions:

    Gun sales soar as calls to defund police grow louder

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/gun-sales-soar-as-calls-to-defund-police-grow-louder-report?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true
    __ _

    David Harsanyi
    @davidharsanyi
    ·
    The recent surge in gun sales includes 2.5 million new individual gun owners — and women accounted for around 40 percent of these buyers.
    __ _

    Julio Gonzalez
    @TaxReformExpert
    ·
    There was a record-breaking 80.2% increase in gun sales last month.

    Thanks to the riot insanity, the Second Amendment is stronger than it’s ever been!
    __

    harkin (f58543)

  69. #66

    Speaking of which…

    (h/t Drudge)
    Dave (1bb933) — 6/27/2020 @ 1:45 pm

    She’s the soul of reason next to Citizen’s Arrest Lady.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  70. Workers removed thousands of social distancing stickers before Trump’s Tulsa rally, according to video and a person familiar with the set-up

    As part of its safety plan, arena management had purchased 12,000 do-not-sit stickers for Trump’s rally, intended to keep people apart by leaving open seats between attendees. On the day of the rally, event staff had already affixed them on nearly every other seat in the arena when Trump’s campaign told event management to stop and then began removing the stickers, hours before the president’s arrival, according to a person familiar with the event who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters.

    In a video clip obtained by The Washington Post, two men — one in a suit and one wearing a badge and a face mask — can be seen pulling stickers off seats in a section of the arena. It is unclear who those two men are. When Trump took the stage on Saturday evening, the crowd was clustered together and attendees were not leaving empty seats between themselves.

    It’s not like the knuckle-draggers in attendance would have paid any attention to the stickers, of course. But still.

    Despite video evidence and eye-witness testimony from the executive vice-president of the company that owns the arena, Trump’s campaign denies knowing anything about it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  71. @51. Ever seen MadMen? You’d get an argument from the ladies of the day- and night- on that one.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  72. Julio Gonzalez
    @TaxReformExpert

    Who? Sounds reliable to me!

    Rip Murdock (b6106c)

  73. @75-
    You obviously don’t get my joke. An Native American tribe owning a gunmaker whose weapons undoubtedly killed thousands of Native Americans throughout our history? Of course it’s sweet revenge.

    Rip Murdock (b6106c)

  74. Patrons are asked to self-quarantine after about 85 people who visited a Michigan bar get Covid-19
    People who visited a bar in East Lansing, Michigan, are being asked to self-quarantine because roughly 85 people contracted Covid-19 after visiting the establishment this month, a health official says.

    That number is up from the 34 reported Wednesday and is expected to rise, Ingham County Health officer Linda S. Vail told CNN.
    …….
    The bar followed safety guidelines for employees, capacity guidelines and table spacing, the statement said.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (b6106c)

  75. @73-
    But it’s only young people getting infected. Pence has nothing to worry. Besides, by not going to FL and AZ he’s going against the new Trump campaign slogan ‘What, Me Worry?”

    Rip Murdock (b6106c)

  76. “The house” did not vote for DC statehood, the DEMOCRAT controlled house did. D’s voted for the Bill 231-1, Republicans voted against 180-0.

    Its a naked power grab by Pelosi and will thankfully die in the Senate. If Biden gets elected, we’ll get DC statehood and 2 more D senators. Of course Never-Trumpers will approve.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  77. Can we stop with the CV-19 hysteria. Cases Do NOT equal death. That’s very true of those under 45. Data from Florida shows 50,000 CV-19 cases thru June 22, 2020 for those under age 45. Total Deaths? 24. yes, 24.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  78. The goal no longer seems to be to “flatten the curve” but keep us locked down and poor until January 2021 when Joe Biden can assume office.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  79. Woman Who Shamed Starbucks Barista for Refusing to Serve Her Without Face Mask Speaks Out as Barista’s GoFundMe Grows
    ……..
    “I never threatened him, I just called him out on his actions. I never threatened him and I’ve received death threats, thousands, it’s very upsetting. It’s very scary,” said Amber Lynn Gilles.

    Shortly after being refused service, Gilles posted a photograph of barista Lenin Gutierrez on her Facebook page.

    The post reads: “Meet Lenen from Starbucks who refused to serve me cause I’m not wearing a mask. Next time I will wait for cops and bring a medical exemption.”

    Face coverings are mandatory inside businesses in San Diego County. Public Health officials said businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone not complying with the public health order. …….

    Gilles ………considers herself an anti-vaxxer. She says face masks are ineffective.

    “It starts with coffee but it ends with digital certificates and forced vaccinations,” Gilles said.
    ……….
    For her part, Gilles, who started the incident with her post, said she wants some of the money and is threatening to sue the page creator for defamation and slander.
    ………
    The GoFundPage is called “Tips for Lenin Standing Up To A San Diego Karen“. Is being called a Karen slanderous? I can see why she wants the money, nearly $70k has raised.

    Rip Murdock (b6106c)

  80. @86-
    The goal no longer seems to be to “flatten the curve” but keep us locked down and poor until January 2021 when Joe Biden can assume office.
    You can blame Trump for that. He’s surrendered to the pandemic.

    Rip Murdock (b6106c)

  81. Drag a $20 dollar bill through a trailer park ….

    nk (1d9030)

  82. #85

    Can we stop with the CV-19 hysteria.

    Ataboy, rcocean, don’t let anybody tell you COVID-19 kills people.

    In fact, here’s an expert who agrees with you, and he went to Youtube University where he graduated MAGA Yell Loudly!

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  83. 90. Hold up there. Straw Man Alert! That’s not what RCocean said. I call shenanigans.

    Gryph (08c844)

  84. Yeah, life ends at 45. What a Trumpkin!

    nk (1d9030)

  85. Gov. DeSantis: Median age of Florida COVID-19 patients declining

    Florida has seen a dramatic decrease in the median age of people testing positive for COVID-19 over the last couple of weeks, Gov. Ron DeSantis said (a week ago) Friday.

    …….. “When we started this, the median age, I think, was in the 60s in the state of Florida for the past when there wasn’t a lot of tests being done. Then it slowly went down to get into the 50s. And then, what we’ve seen over the last couple of weeks, is really a dramatic decline in that median age.”

    As of last week, DeSantis said, the median age of the positive tests in the state was 37. With increased cases this week, “that median age is plunging even further,” DeSantis said.
    ……..
    “…….. Huge, huge numbers of people, particularly in that 20 to 30 cohort for testing positive — 62% of all new cases in Florida for the week of June 7 are under the age of 45,” DeSantis said. “Again, from what we’re seeing, I think that percentage is going to increase once we get this week’s results in. That is a big change from where we were, say, at the end of March, in the beginning of April, and skewing much older at that time.”
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (b6106c)

  86. Welp, if he gets a second term, it looks to be…uh…yeah…something:

    ????

    “Make America Great Again… Keep America Great…” or something…

    American troops occupying Germany for 75 years under the guise of ‘protection’ as 21st century Germans cut deals to tap Putin’s Russian energy resources– the very regime American taxpayers are borrowing from China to ‘protect’ the Germans from.

    That’s something all right: especially in a post-WW2/post-Cold War world. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  87. I don’t know how I feel about DC. On one hand, the people living in DC definitely don’t have the same representation as the rest of us and that isn’t particularly in line with our values as Americans. On the other hand, there are specific reasons DC was carved out separately from the states. It almost seems like they should basically turn it all the way into a big federal zone, with no private residences, but it’s also kind of too big for that. I don’t know, it isn’t an easy question.

    Nic (896fdf)

  88. ‘The Flag is Coming Down’: Lawmakers Vote to Change Mississippi State Flag
    In a historic vote today, large majorities in both houses of the Mississippi Legislature voted to move forward on an effort to retire and replace the Confederate-themed Mississippi State Flag.
    ……
    The Republican-dominated Senate voted 36-14 in favor of the resolution to change the flag hours after the House, where Republican members hold a supermajority, voted 85-34 on its resolution.

    The votes on the resolutions suspended the rules in each house, allowing for the introduction of a new bill to change the flag.
    …….
    If the proposed legislation became law, Mississippi would not have a flag until the Legislature decided on a new one. It would require legislators to design a flag with two stipulations: It must not include the Confederate battle emblem and it must include the words, “In God We Trust.” Supporters of changing the flag thought that requiring the words, “In God We Trust” on a new flag would woo some conservative lawmakers who were reluctant to embrace a change.
    ……
    Mississippi Sen. Chris McDaniel, R-Ellisville, would make a similar argument in the Senate, and accuse lawmakers of “sowing the seeds of discord by not allowing the people” to decide on the flag.
    ……..
    “ There’s no desire here to usurp anybody’s right to a vote. People voted for you and me. You went to their door, and you knocked on it and asked them to vote for you. You signed up for this,” (Mississippi House Rep. Jason White, a Republican from West) White said.

    “…… This state seceded from the union and they didn’t run a ballot box up through the Mississippi River and down the middle of the state on a railroad to see where everybody weighed in on it. Delegates went and they took a vote and they moved. And why today would you urge anything different?”

    Earlier, White told members of the body that voters elected them “to make tough decisions” and that they could not “shirk (their) responsibilities.”

    “In one of our nation’s darkest hours, President Lincoln, addressing Congress, described the inescapable duties of elected leaders. Those words still ring true today. Here’s what he said: ‘We cannot escape history. We will be remembered in spite of ourselves. We hold the power and we bear the responsibility.’”

    “It’s time to exercise our responsibility today,” White continued.
    ……..
    .”…….It must include the words, “In God We Trust.”

    All others pay cash

    Rip Murdock (b6106c)

  89. American troops occupying Germany for 75 years

    Wrong, as usual.

    The American occupation of Germany ended in May 1955, more than 65 years ago.

    Dave (1bb933)

  90. “ Who? Sounds reliable to me!”
    __ _

    Gun Sales Skyrocket Amid Pandemic And Unrest Fears – Forbes June 24

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisdorsey/2020/06/24/gun-sales-skyrocket-amid-pandemic-and-unrest-fears/#6742d92c2421

    Gun and ammunition sales soar as defund-the-police movement grows – San Jose Mercury News June 24

    Gun Sales Soar In Virginia – Washington Post – June 20

    Gun Sales Soar In California – MSN News June 26

    Gun Permits Up 500% and Sales Skyrocket Amid Chicago Protests – CNS News June 26
    _

    Who?
    _

    harkin (f58543)

  91. @97. ROFLMAOPIP. That would be news– to Germans.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  92. ‘Washington‘ is going to be canceled before ‘Redskins’….

    Did NOT see that coming.
    _

    harkin (f58543)

  93. @97. Germany “hosts” the largest portion of US troops in Europe — roughly 38,600, though the numbers vary as troops are regularly rotated to other countries. -source, wikiKrautskeepingcount

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  94. 98. What are they doing with them besides posing for the TV cameras in front of the Michigan State Capitol (and remember that this is a family blog)?

    nk (1d9030)

  95. The Germans have a word for everything so if you really want to know what the US Military there is just find their word for ‘cash cow’.
    _

    harkin (f58543)

  96. Goldesel.

    Bad news for German lingerie shops; good news for the Ukrainian prostitutes who’ll be working closer to home.

    nk (1d9030)

  97. That would be news– to Germans.

    Wrong again.

    Dave (1bb933)

  98. Gun Sales Skyrocket Amid Pandemic And Unrest Fears – Forbes June 24

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisdorsey/2020/06/24/gun-sales-skyrocket-amid-pandemic-and-unrest-fears/#6742d92c2421

    Gun and ammunition sales soar as defund-the-police movement grows – San Jose Mercury News June 24

    Gun Sales Soar In Virginia – Washington Post – June 20

    Gun Sales Soar In California – MSN News June 26

    Gun Permits Up 500% and Sales Skyrocket Amid Chicago Protests – CNS News June 26

    Well, since gun sales reached an all time high according to NICS requests in April, then flattened out in May, and have dropped in June due to supply issues, reality says that most of all the sales happened due to the Covid, there were few guns to actually buy over the last month. Also, permits are up in June in Illinois because they had shut the office that issues the permits down for 2 months.

    Even I am down to maybe 2 a month, go to TTAG and look at the articles stating the same thing in Feb, and March…

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (9878f6)

  99. Can we stop with the CV-19 hysteria. Cases Do NOT equal death. That’s very true of those under 45. Data from Florida shows 50,000 CV-19 cases thru June 22, 2020 for those under age 45. Total Deaths? 24. yes, 24.

    126,000 in 4 months, #1 killer in America. But as long as you don’t know anyone over 24, cool.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (9878f6)

  100. @104. ROFLMAOPIP Germany “hosts” the largest portion of US troops in Europe — roughly 38,600, though the numbers vary as troops are regularly rotated to other countries.

    ___

    @102. Somebody has to protect all those Nazi/Hitler monuments from being toppled. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  101. > The American occupation of Germany ended in May 1955, more than 65 years ago.

    If we’re going to split technical hairs, this is not true. It either ended with the foundation of the and transfer of most legal power to the BRD in 1949 or with the end of allied jurisdiction over Berlin in October 1990.

    aphrael (7962af)

  102. > It will take the nuking of the filibuster to get this done.

    I’m about 80% certain the filibuster is dead the next time the Democrats have a majority in the Senate.

    I don’t think that’s a good thing, but I think the politics of the issue have shifted so that it is unavoidable.

    aphrael (7962af)

  103. Oh, and by the way, Under 45 deaths due to Covid, 5,478
    Also, Florida is a terrible state for stats, they haven’t been reporting deaths uniformly, some large counties are not reporting deaths for those under 9. Even then, it’s not 24, it’s 481, at least.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (9878f6)

  104. “To reinforce his thumb in the eye, Mr. Cuomo declared that travelers to New York from Utah, Arizona, Texas, Arkansas, Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina and Florida will need to quarantine for 14 days. The order applies to states either with a positive-test rate over 10% or more than 10 in 100,000 residents testing positive per day over the last seven days. This will be difficult to enforce, but Mr. Cuomo said New York police may pull over cars with out-of-state licenses.

    This comes with ill-grace from the man whose state still has by far the most virus infections and deaths. He’s also contradicting his own statements from earlier in the pandemic. When Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo in March had police stop cars with New York license plates, Mr. Cuomo threatened to sue and tweeted, “We will not let New Yorkers be discriminated against.” Now he’s discriminating against other states, and notice that just one of his eight target states is run by a Democrat.

    Mr. Cuomo is responsible for the single worst public-policy mistake of this pandemic: His administration’s order requiring nursing homes to accept Covid-19 patients from hospitals. That bad judgment let the virus rampage through institutions with the most vulnerable populations. Florida has some 4,000 homes for assisted senior living but locked down those facilities and it tests every worker at those institutions every two weeks.

    None of the new state flare-ups come close to the severity of New York’s. New York state’s average positivity test rate exceeded 30% in late March and peaked above 50% in early April. Deaths are a lagging indicator, but New York had more than 900 fatalities a day at the peak. That’s more than as many daily deaths as there are in the entire U.S., with the exception of Friday when New Jersey reclassified some 1,854 deaths as probable from the virus.

    The Statista website, which tracks Covid deaths, reports that as of June 26 New Jersey (167) and New York (161) had far and away the most virus deaths in the country per 100,000 people. Arizona had 21, Florida only 15, and Texas eight.

    Perhaps Mr. Cuomo is touting outbreaks elsewhere because he hopes they will help people forget his record. He ought to be thanking everyone, in Washington and other states, who helped New York in its hour of desperate need.“

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/cuomos-covid-chutzpah-11593212522?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/
    _

    harkin (f58543)

  105. Florida does not report total hospitalizations (thank you Gov DeSantis) but an unofficial tabulation shows hospitalizations in all three SE Florida counties are approaching or at their previous highs in April.

    These three counties are the ones that started reopening two to three weeks after the rest of the state.

    Kishnevi (e7d334)

  106. I’m about 80% certain the filibuster is dead the next time the Democrats have a majority in the Senate.

    So January 2021?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  107. 126,000 in 4 months, #1 killer in America. But as long as you don’t know anyone over 24, cool.

    #1 killer in the world. Quickly surpassed malaria earlier this year.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  108. >So January 2021?

    seems more likely than not at this point.

    aphrael (7962af)

  109. Lawmakers want answers from Trump Administration on reports Russia paid Taliban to attack US troops
    Lawmakers on both sides the aisle in Washington want answers on new explosive reporting that a Russian spy unit paid the Taliban to attack U.S. troops stationed in Afghanistan.
    ………
    “If Trump refuses to hold Putin accountable for funding terrorism against US troops in Afghanistan, then Congress must again step up,” tweeted (Sen. Bob) Menendez, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said it’s “imperative” to get answers and urged the Trump administration to tell Congress what it knows about Russia’s efforts to pay bounties to kill American soldiers.

    “I expect the Trump Administration to take such allegations seriously and inform Congress immediately as to the reliability of these news reports,” Graham, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, tweeted.
    ……..
    The White House, however, said Saturday that Trump was not briefed on the alleged Russian bounty intelligence, but didn’t confirm or deny the underlying reporting that Russia was giving out rewards to attack U.S. soldiers.
    ……..
    During a town hall Saturday, former Vice President Joe Biden brought up the “shocking revelation” that Trump reportedly knew of the bounties for months and slammed the president for doing “worse than nothing.”

    “Not only has he failed to sanction or impose any kind of consequences on Russia for this egregious violation of international law, Donald Trump has continued his embarrassing campaign of deference and debasing himself before Vladimir Putin,” Biden, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said. “He has had this information according to the Times, and yet he offered to host Putin in the United States and sought to invite Russia to rejoin the G7. His entire presidency has been a gift to Putin.”
    ……..
    I know nothing…..nothing!

    Rip Murdock (b6106c)

  110. If we’re going to split technical hairs, this is not true. It either ended with the foundation of the and transfer of most legal power to the BRD in 1949 or with the end of allied jurisdiction over Berlin in October 1990.

    aphrael, the treaty I linked went into force on May 5, 1955. Article 1, translated from German, reads:

    1. With the entry into force of this Treaty, the United States of America, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the French Republic (also referred to in this Treaty and in the Additional Treaties as the Three Powers) will terminate the occupation regime in the Federal Republic, repeal the occupation statute and dissolve the Allied High Commission and the services of the National Commissioners in the Federal Republic.

    2. The Federal Republic will therefore have the full power of a sovereign state over its internal and external affairs.

    I think my characterization was accurate, whether one splits technical hairs or not.

    Dave (1bb933)

  111. Lawmakers want answers from Trump Administration on reports Russia paid Taliban to attack US troops

    Let me go out on a limb and predict Putin will deny everything, thereby putting the matter to rest as far as our Dear Leader is concerned.

    Dave (1bb933)

  112. 107. #1 single cause of death in America. Do you know what it dethroned? Automobile accidents. And let’s add a bit of perspective here: There are approximately 8000 deaths daily from all non-CoViD-19 causes. 126,000 deaths are roughly 16 days worth of deaths from all other causes combined. If you really want to be cautious enough to save your loved ones from an untimely death, keeping them from driving or riding in cars will do at least as much to keep them safe as putting a diaper over your mouth in public will.

    Gryph (08c844)

  113. Crap.

    Trump admits it: He’s losing

    The president has privately come to that grim realization in recent days, multiple people close to him told POLITICO, amid a mountain of bad polling and warnings from some of his staunchest allies that he’s on course to be a one-term president.

    It was probably too much to hope that he could remain in denial about his campaign’s collapse for the next four months, as he has for the last four with the pandemic.

    Although it does go on to say:

    Trump, who vented for days about [his epic failure in Tulsa], is starting to take a more hands-on role in the campaign

    Trump taking a more hands-on role in anything should lead inevitably to disaster.

    Dave (1bb933)

  114. If you really want to be cautious enough to save your loved ones from an untimely death, keeping them from driving or riding in cars will do at least as much to keep them safe as putting a diaper over your mouth in public will.

    Wrong. The current death toll is the result of aggressive isolation and social distancing measures. Without them it would be many times higher.

    Dave (1bb933)

  115. 122. You can’t say that with scientific certainty. I have to confess that it’s just as likely it could be true, but any scientist with two brain cells to rub together will tell you that correlation != causation. And I hold up my home state of South Dakota as counter-evidence.

    Gryph (08c844)

  116. Keep fighting the good fight, Gryph. Resistance is victory!

    nk (1d9030)

  117. There is no such thing as “scientific certainty”, and you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

    Dave (1bb933)

  118. Be of good cheer, friend Dave, such as you brought me in your comment 121 above, and be not cross with our friend Gryph, for is it not written that “all things can be cured save perversity in asses”?

    nk (1d9030)

  119. G.O.P. Platform, Rolled Over From 2016, Condemns the ‘Current President’
    …….
    “ The survival of the internet as we know it is at risk,” the platform reads. “Its gravest peril originates in the White House, the current occupant of which has launched a campaign, both at home and internationally, to subjugate it to agents of government.”

    The warning about speech online is one of more than three dozen unflattering references to either the “current president,” “current chief executive,” “current administration,” people “currently in control” of policy, or the “current occupant” of the White House that appear in the Republican platform. Adopted at the party’s 2016 convention, it has been carried over through 2024 after the executive committee of the Republican National Committee on Wednesday chose not to adopt a new platform for 2020.
    ………
    The platform censures the “current” president ……… and his administration for, among other things, imposing “a social and cultural revolution,” causing a “huge increase in the national debt” and damaging relationships with international partners.
    ……..
    When Axios first reported on efforts to rewrite the party platform that involved Mr. Kushner, grass-roots activists were livid, and some of those discussed organizing an effort to resist what they viewed as his changes — even though the options had been drafted primarily by the campaign, a person familiar with the process said.
    …….
    The decision to simply let the current platform stay in effect, rather than try to pass any new platform, was ultimately driven by logistics, officials said. Republican officials decided it did not make sense to ask about 5,000 delegates and alternates to pay to fly to Charlotte, N.C., when the speeches and most of the action of the convention, including the hallmark speeches by the president and the vice president, would be happening in another city altogether.
    ……..
    Now, the party is stuck with a platform with positions that already seemed outdated to a large segment of its members four years ago. …….
    ………

    Rip Murdock (b6106c)

  120. #1 killer in the world. Quickly surpassed malaria earlier this year.

    No, it’s not #1. In 6 months, there have been about 500,000 deaths worldwide. In that same time, about 9,000,000 people have died from heart attack or stroke, about 4,000,000 people have died from cancer. (This is based on WHO estimates of 17.9 million heart disease deaths and 8 million cancer deaths every year.) COVID has a long way to go to beat either of them.

    Chuck Bartowski (6fff93)

  121. A one-term presidency is a wet dream in NeverTrumpLand.

    beer ‘n pretzels (98776e)

  122. Donald Trump Town Hall Transcript with Sean Hannity June 25

    ……..
    Sean Hannity: (35:55)
    Let’s talk about a second term. If you hear in 131 days from now, at some point in the night or early morning, we can now project Donald J. Trump has been reelected the 45th president of the United States. Let’s talk. What’s at stake in this election as you compare and contrast, and what is one of your top priority items for a second term?

    Donald Trump: (36:17)
    Well, one of the things that will be really great… You know, the word experience is still good. I always say talent is more important than experience. I’ve always said that, but the word experience is a very important word. It’s a very important meeting. I never did this before. I never slept over in Washington. I was in Washington, I think, 17 times. All of a sudden, I’m president of the United States. You know the story. I’m riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our First Lady and I say, “This is great.”

    Donald Trump: (36:43)

    But I didn’t know very many people in Washington, it wasn’t my thing. I was from Manhattan from New York. Now I know everybody, and I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes. An idiot like Bolton, all he wanted to do is drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to drop bums on everybody. You don’t have to kill people. [ crosstalk 00:37:01]-
    ………
    Content free answer, meaning he doesn’t have an one.

    Rip Murdock (b6106c)

  123. Content free answer, meaning he doesn’t have an one.

    Reaganoptics: the hats say it all; ‘Make America Great Again…’ ‘Keep America Great…’ 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  124. ‘Trump taking a more hands-on role in anything should lead inevitably to disaster.’

    Anything you say, Hillary. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  125. I’m rooting for the onetime Playboy model, because Tucker has been a stinking liar.
    It would be justice that a centerfold has more honor than a FoxNews opinion host.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  126. Now, the party is stuck with a platform with positions that already seemed outdated to a large segment of its members four years ago.

    It’s actually a stroke of genius.

    They’re going to try to pretend that Obama has been president for the last four years, by way of absolving Trump of culpability for everything that’s happened since.

    “I don’t take responsibility at all,” remember?

    Sure, it reeks of desperation, like a “Hail Mary” play call, but the low-information types he needs to turn out for him might just fall for it, and what the hell else can he do?

    Dave (1bb933)

  127. With Trump leading the way, America’s coronavirus failures exposed by record surge in new infections
    Five months after the novel coronavirus was first detected in the United States, a record surge in new cases is the clearest sign yet of the country’s historic failure to control the virus — exposing a crisis in governance extending from the Oval Office to state capitals to city councils.

    President Trump — who has repeatedly downplayed the virus, sidelined experts and misled Americans about its dangers and potential cures — now finds his presidency wracked by an inability to shepherd the country through its worst public health calamity in a century. The dysfunction that has long characterized Trump’s White House has been particularly ill-suited for a viral outbreak that requires precision, focus and steady leadership…….

    …….. On Friday, Vice President Pence used the first White House coronavirus task force briefing in almost two months to praise Trump’s handling of the virus and cast aside concerns about a record spike in new infections.

    “We have made a truly remarkable progress in moving our nation forward,” Pence said, a few minutes after announcing that more than 2.5 million Americans had contracted the coronavirus. “We’ve all seen the encouraging news as we open up America again.”

    It was the latest example of whiplash from the Trump administration, which has struggled to put forward a consistent message about the pandemic. …….
    ……..
    The White House has blocked Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-disease expert and director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, from some appearances that he has requested to do in recent weeks, according to two people familiar with the matter. White House aides have argued that television interviewers often try to goad Fauci into criticizing the president or the administration’s approach, and that Fauci is not always good about “staying on message,” in the words of a senior administration official. Aides did allow Fauci to appear on CNN recently for a town hall, the official said.
    …….
    Trump’s intense focus on his campaign comes as he has been sliding in public polling and trailing Democratic rival Joe Biden, who is winning support from voters who disapprove of the president’s handling of the pandemic and the accompanying economic recession. ……
    ……..
    …….. He has expressed frustration to aides that he was criticized for a lack of adequate testing and is now not being given enough credit for the 500,000 daily tests that are currently being conducted, officials said. Trump has repeatedly claimed that the caseload is only going up because of the increasing number of tests, and he has openly discussed reducing testing.
    ………
    Politicization of the pandemic has left many Republican governors to choose between staying a doomed public health course while touting economic recovery or acting on recommendations from public health experts who Trump has dismissed.
    ……….
    Publicly, GOP lawmakers remain largely supportive of Trump’s handling of the pandemic, declining to put any blame on him or the federal response for the upward trend in infections. They generally say the decision-making responsibility now lies with state governments, and that individual citizens bear the onus for responsible behavior to hold down infections.
    ……..
    While Trump has attacked some Democratic governors for their handling of the virus, its recent spread in Republican-led states such as Texas, Florida, Arizona, South Carolina and Oklahoma has complicated the politics around the president’s response.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  128. Her proposal (given that one venue has already backed out due to public health concerns) was to hold them without a live audience.

    Seems fair … they arguably have no live candidates.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  129. I’m sure they’ll carve your (mask-free) face into Mt. Rushmore someday, right next to Donald Trump’s!

    Well, by the time this is done even Lincoln will be gone. He was a white supremacist, you know.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  130. Amber Lynn Gilles.

    Who has invented a new twist on the Streisand Effect.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  131. The American occupation of Germany ended in May 1955, more than 65 years ago.

    Please to call it “protection.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  132. 125. The hell there’s not. “Scientific certainty” is what happens when you conduct an experiment of sufficient soundness (in the case of medical experimentation, double-blind with placebos) that it can be reproduced with the same results over and over again. “Consensus” only means anything insofar as all of the individuals conducting the same experiments would get the same results. Until that point, a consensus is only a matter of belief and speculation.

    Gryph (08c844)

  133. I checked on the rate of positive cases yesterday and noticed that 17 of the 18 states with the highest infection rates as a percentage of tests were Republican states. (More than 6% rate.) This morning I saw an article about states that mandate mask wearing in public. Of those sixteen states, only one has a higher than 6% positive rate. That state… Nevada…. only recently mandated masks in public.

    Don’t count on my statistics skills. They are limited. But check it out for yourself and you may attain more knowledge than the entire White House staff on this subject. Or, as you might suspect, they do know the facts and are just mirroring the ignorance of the boss at a cost of tens of thousands of lives.

    noel (4d3313)

  134. These are the States that Require Masks…. CNN June 25

    noel (4d3313)

  135. The hell there’s not.

    All scientific knowledge is tentative.

    There is no such thing as “scientific certainty”.

    And you still don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

    Dave (1bb933)

  136. Well, by the time this is done even Lincoln will be gone. He was a white supremacist, you know.

    So, by my count, after Gryph takes Washington’s spot, that leaves room for three Donalds on the new mask-free, un-socially distanced Rushmore.

    Dave (1bb933)

  137. I could be taking bets. When Trump visits Mt. Rushmore on July 3rd, will he suggest that he belongs up there? Duh. And who should he replace?

    After all… he will have unique qualifications. Lost the popular vote twice and was impeached.

    noel (4d3313)

  138. And who should he replace?

    All of them!

    Trump has Washington’s dignity, Jefferson’s eloquence, Lincoln’s honesty, TR’s courage and Gryph’s medical knowledge.

    All rolled into one!

    Dave (1bb933)

  139. Trump promotes video of a supporter saying ‘white power’
    ………
    The video of a pro-Trump golf cart parade in the Villages, a retirement community in central Florida, includes counterprotesters calling the president a bigot. The video shows Trump supporters and opponents facing off in screaming matches filled with expletives and insults.

    “Thank you to the great people of The Villages. The Radical Left Do Nothing Democrats will Fall in the Fall. Corrupt Joe is shot. See you soon!!!” Trump tweeted, as he shared the video that opens with an elderly white man in a golf cart decorated with Trump signs being heckled by a counterprotester who asks “where’s your white hood?” The man responds by twice saying “white power” as a woman beside him chants “Trump! Trump!”

    On Sunday morning Sen. Tim Scott (R), the only black Republican Senator, called on the president to take down his tweet.

    “There’s no question: He should not have retweeted it; he should just take it down,” Scott said on CNN’s “State of the Union…….
    ………

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  140. 143.

    And you still don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

    Dave (1bb933) — 6/28/2020 @ 6:55 am

    Be that as it may, you can take your face diaper and shove it squarely where the sun doesn’t shine.

    Gryph (08c844)

  141. Both The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times have run stories on the recent spike in new coronavirus cases among younger people, both of which emphasized the youth’s trips to the bar as a reason for this uptick.

    The temptation is obviously to blame these state’s case spikes on hasty reopenings. A cross-state comparison complicates that picture somewhat.

    Colorado, where bars serving primarily drinks were allowed to open at reduced capacity last week, is seeing a minor uptick in new cases. South Dakota, which never implemented a lockdown order, is seeing its number of new cases go down. Meanwhile, states like Washington are seeing a big spike in new cases despite bars remaining closed in most of the state, and indoor dining being allowed only at reduced capacity. Parts of Pennsylvania, which has also been slow to reopen, are seeing spikes in new cases as well.

    https://reason.com/2020/06/26/florida-and-texas-close-their-bars-in-response-to-surge-in-new-covid-19-cases/
    _

    Going out of their way to ignore the protests.
    _

    harkin (f58543)

  142. Rip Murdock (b6106c) — 6/27/2020 @ 5:48 pm

    In a historic vote today, large majorities in both houses of the Mississippi Legislature voted

    A small light in a sea of insanity. No executive mandate, no mobs tearing things down, just a bunch of elected representatives doing what they’re supposed to do.

    Good for you Mississippi.

    frosty (f27e97)

  143. Harkin: “The temptation is obviously to blame these state’s case spikes on hasty reopenings.”

    I’m tempted.

    noel (4d3313)

  144. @150-
    I agree, except most of the opponents wanted a statewide vote.

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  145. Rip Murdock (5bd9a8) — 6/28/2020 @ 7:40 am

    heckled by a counterprotester who asks “where’s your white hood?” The man responds by twice saying “white power”

    Both sides need to back away from this or it will get worse.

    frosty (f27e97)

  146. “ I’m tempted”

    Are you tempted to also call thousands of people jammed together for hours, a third to a half of them wearing masks for some of the time and egged on by deranged physicians who claim politics is more important than existing regs……a ‘hasty reopening’?
    _

    harkin (f58543)

  147. Harkin: “South Dakota, which never implemented a lockdown order…”

    Yes, I see. Governor Noem of South Dakota is bragging about her keeping the state open. While S.D. is not heavily populated, she may yet find, like Florida and Texas, that she has spoken too soon. It looks like they have 4th of July super-spreaders scheduled throughout the state for the holiday this year.

    Like DeSantis, she may ultimately look like a fool. But, as we know… that is a badge of honor… in the new Republican Party.

    noel (4d3313)

  148. Noel

    I’ll take that as a ‘no’.

    harkin (f58543)

  149. 145, Stone Mountain perhaps, and only because Fulton County wasnt allowed to gobble up parts of DeKalb, Cobb, Gwinett and give Georgia a 4-County Pat governor.

    urbanleftbehind (247c32)

  150. How far the liberals have come.

    Now they’re saying the protests did nothing to spread the virus even though people were jammed together like sardines because they were outdoors.

    In May it was DONT YOU DARE OPEN THAT BEACH!
    _

    harkin (f58543)

  151. Harkin: ” Are you tempted to also call thousands of people jammed together for hours, a third to a half of them wearing masks for some of the time and egged on by deranged physicians who claim politics is more important than existing regs……a ‘hasty reopening’?”

    And are you saying white people don’t need masks? As you can see, I am easily confused.

    noel (4d3313)

  152. For #148, Gryph tempts the likes of Andrew Cuomo, who in sotto voce, replies with “how would you like to wear a used face diaper, think I’m kidding, cowboy… look at Shady Acres over there…I turned that place into a crematorium!”

    urbanleftbehind (247c32)

  153. Sure. Blame me, Harkin. I just try to listen to experts on the subject. Even the President’s experts. The people that he shelved for the last two months.

    Indoor activities without masks or social distancing is the Presidents M.O. Not mine. He really is the one that needs to explain his position to you.

    noel (4d3313)

  154. I hope you people worried about “superspreading” are at least as worried about the protests are you are about my refusal to go places that require a mask. I’m personally not sure if the Fourth of July celebration out at Rushmore is a good idea for a number of reasons, but I’m not going and it’s on the other side of the state from me.

    Gryph (08c844)

  155. I hope you people worried about “superspreading” are at least as worried about the protests…..
    Given the caviler attitude of Trump supporters, I’m as worried for them as for the protesters.

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  156. 163. I’d be inclined to agree since I’m not a Trump supporter. I didn’t vote for him in 2016 and I’m not voting for him in 2020. That said, I’m diametrically opposed to most of what BLM stands for so I don’t think there’s any immediate danger of catching CoViD as a rally/protest/CHOP/CHAZ participant.

    Gryph (08c844)

  157. Black votes matter to the democrat party.
    DEAD
    or
    ALIVE

    mg (8cbc69)

  158. “Black votes matter to the democrat party.
    DEAD
    or
    ALIVE” ….by mg

    And they used to matter to Republicans.

    noel (4d3313)

  159. @164-
    Obviously there are other sources-like bars. See #82 and why Florida and Texas are closing their bars. Mere close contact with an infected person (whether or not symptomatic) can transmit COVID-19. And those Trump supporters who attend rallies may be from your community. You obviously do not need to attend a rally as a supporter or protester to spread it everywhere.

    But I’m sure you know that. Good luck identifying those who are infected so you can avoid them!

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  160. “As a doctor, a scientist, an epidemiologist, I can tell you with 100% certainty that in most states where you’re seeing an increase, it is a real increase. It is not more tests; it is more spread of the virus,” CDC Director Tom Frieden told Fox News on Sunday.
    In the South, the numbers are rising as a result of hasty reopenings, he said, and it’s “going to continue to get worse for weeks.”

    CDC. Center for Deep State Control. Obviously.

    noel (4d3313)

  161. “In the South, the numbers are rising as a result of hasty reopenings”

    Well, many have said the South would rise again….

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca)

  162. #BLM and #ShutdownSTEM go hand in hand so of course the virus doesn’t impact BLM protestors. They are completely safe and are approved to march on July 4th. Everyone else is at risk and are recklessly endangering everyone.

    frosty (f27e97)

  163. Well remember the thousand experts who saifracism is worse than the virus, as if we didnt notice anything since last week

    Narciso (7404b5)

  164. So what’s the death rate of the Wuhan Flu now? Approaching influenza rates? There’s no vaccine. Does that account for the difference?

    How many people are dying of different causes, gunshot wounds, etc, that test positive so they still count as Wuhan deaths? We live in a constant “State of Fear” exactly as the leftists want us.

    I refuse to play. Leaving for Virginia tomorrow to visit Williamsburg and Jamestown before the leftists burn them down as well.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  165. Anyone see the study from Norway where they had over 10k individuals using the gym and had 0 infections. But that won’t get the play that these bar outbreaks get.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  166. Well he was orange so probably.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  167. Window is closing’ for US to get coronavirus under control, Trump’s HHS secretary warns
    Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar warned Sunday that the “window is closing” for the United States to get the coronavirus pandemic under control, as confirmed cases are surging in a majority of the country and some states are dealing with record numbers of hospitalizations.

    “Things are very different from two months ago… So it is a very different situation, but this is a very, very serious situation and the window is closing for us to take action and get this under control,” Azar told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union.”
    …….
    Azar denied that reopening too quickly was tied to the rise in cases, but instead “inappropriate individual behavior” that has enabled the spread of the virus.

    “That’s not so much about what the law says on the reopening as what our behaviors are within that,” he told Tapper.

    He cautioned that if Americans “act irresponsibly, if we don’t socially distance, if we don’t use face coverings in settings where we can’t social distance, if we don’t practice appropriate personal hygiene, we’re going to see spread of disease.”

    Asked about the Trump’s administration’s request to the Supreme Court on Thursday to invalidate the Affordable Care Act…….

    “We have made very clear that the Supreme Court strikes down all or a large part of Obamacare, because it is constitutionally or statutorily infirm, we will work with Congress to create a program that genuinely protects individuals with pre-existing conditions,” Azar said, adding that the exact details will be dependent on the court’s decision and makeup of Congress.
    ……….
    Yes, because working with Congress is Trump’s forte.

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  168. Sorry, it was 3.5k in the study.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  169. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html

    And then we have this to look forward to nationwide if leftists get their way with mailing ballots.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  170. @174-
    The study results are after two weeks. Give it some time.

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  171. Rip, just because you’re too lazy to workout doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t want to get back to our healthy routines.

    But on the bright side, I’ve been running more and getting natural sunlight when I can.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  172. #73

    All scientific knowledge is tentative.
    There is no such thing as “scientific certainty”.

    Some people think this means: Scientists don’t really know much about their own area of “expertise,” so we should ignore them and instead listen to people with Common Sense, or Sharp Instincts.

    Never mind that the projections of the epidemiologists have been more on-target than the predictions of the people who have trashed them.

    Radegunda (51e6d7)

  173. #114 Yes, I”m sure all the Never-Trumpers will be cheering when Biden, Pelosi, and D controlled, filibuster free Senate, pass socialized medicine, $500 Billion for climiate change, open borders, and defunding the police. Not to mention statehood for DC, and whole bunch of election laws that mean a one-party state forever. Then the entire USA will have a Government like California. Woo Hoo! “Conservative” mission accomplished!

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  174. Anyone see the study from Norway where they had over 10k individuals using the gym and had 0 infections. But that won’t get the play that these bar outbreaks get.

    Rob, Norway currently has 2.8 new cases per million people per day.

    The US is now up to 110 new cases per million people per day. 39 times higher.

    At the end of March, the US and Norway were tied at about 50 new cases per million per day. Since then they have crushed the virus.

    Thanks to Trump, and people like Gryph, the virus is in the process of crushing us, instead.

    Dave (1bb933)

  175. How many people are dying of different causes, gunshot wounds, etc, that test positive so they still count as Wuhan deaths?

    Show me a case where someone had a lethal gunshot wound and the death was judged to have been caused by Covid-19.

    How many people have died before they otherwise would have but where never tested for Covid-19? When NYC was the hot-spot, the overall death rate was markedly higher than normal but the deceased were by no means all tested for Covid.

    Radegunda (51e6d7)

  176. “Conservative” mission accomplished!

    Maybe nominating and electing an aggressively ignorant and criminally insane game-show host to be president wasn’t the best idea?

    Dave (1bb933)

  177. 186. Don’t you have to be aggressively ignorant and criminally insane in order to run for federal office these days? I look at Joe Biden, and I certainly don’t see much better being offered by the Dems.

    Gryph (08c844)

  178. And should I trust these “experts?” Because I’ve been following this advice from the World Health Organization since the beginning.

    Gryph (08c844)

  179. They both say stupid stuff. The difference between Biden and Trump is that Joe doesn’t usually do it on purpose.

    noel (4d3313)

  180. 190. Oh, I see. Since Joe doesn’t usually do it on purpose, I guess that makes it okay./

    Gryph (08c844)

  181. 187: the report also says this:

    “We don’t always know the cause of death for a death when it is first reported on our dashboard. That is true. Over the course of the outbreak, we have been monitoring and recording the causes of death as we know it. We currently do have some deaths that are being reported that are clearly from other causes. We have about five deaths — less than five deaths — that we know of that are related to obvious other causes. In this case, they are from gunshot wounds.”

    2. DOH may update the way it reports COVID-19 deaths going forward.

    “Over the course of the outbreak, we have been very aware of a small number of deaths being reported on our dashboard that end up not being due to COVID… We will be removing them over time from our death count.”

    “Our current dashboards reflect anybody that has died from COVID irrespective of cause of death. Those numbers will be adjusted.”

    So, a small handful of deaths “related to obvious other causes” have shown up on the dashboard at some time, but the authorities are making an effort to adjust the numbers appropriately.

    That’s a far cry from numbers being deliberately inflated just to sow panic and put the jackboot on the neck of the citizenry — which is what a part of the population has been claiming.

    And there’s still the matter of elevated death rates where many of the deaths don’t show up on Covid lists because the people were never tested.

    And the people in their 30s and 40s who have been sick for months (or have died) from the virus that some people claim is just killing old people so why should we care.

    The people who were saying “It’s only one poorly run nursing home in one remote state!” or “It’s only New York City!” don’t seem to be apologizing for having been much more wrong than the experts they think they’re smarter than.

    Radegunda (51e6d7)

  182. 192. Oh, okay. So we should trust them because whatever “mistakes” they made were all accidents. I should ignore that it looks like someone out there could have an agenda.

    Geez, people. I’m not a rabble rouser. I’m not the Karen who demands things be done my way. If I have to wear a mask to go someplace, I just don’t go there. Why does that bother you people so much?

    Gryph (08c844)

  183. That led to Russia’s hit job on the Skripals (a defecting former Russian intelligence officer and his daughter), described by [British National Security Advisor] Sedwill as a chemical-weapons attack on a nuclear power. Trump asked, oh, are you a nuclear power?, which I knew was not intended as a joke.

    Bolton, John R. . The Room Where It Happened: A White House Memoir (p. 149). Simon & Schuster. Kindle Edition.

    Dave (1bb933)

  184. Radegunda,

    you’re moving goalposts now. But to your remarks, over 40% of all Wuhan Flu deaths are from nursing homes. I’d say that’s relevant. Very few deaths are under 45 years of age. I’d say that’s relevant.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  185. (((Harry Enten)))
    @ForecasterEnten

    Today tied the second lowest % of positive Covid tests at 0.8% in Manhattan, NY… No sign of any upswing after protests + phased re-openings.
    _ _

    Elon Tusk
    @Justanormaldu10
    ·
    They’ve both reduced testing and been forbidden to ask whether or not those tested attended the protests / riots. But k.
    _ _

    Cox
    @HOLYSMKES
    ·
    I’m blown away. Imagine what would happen if Trump had demanded nursing homes to accept patients while liberal states such as CA had changed their policies a full month earlier because of the enormous risk and death potential. Journos turning their heads are now blaming Fox.
    __ _

    Krian Brassenstein
    @KBrassenstein

    Imagine if Trump instructed contact tracers not to ask if people attended his rallies.
    __ _

    Jack W.
    @WokeLawyer
    ·
    He’d be double secret impeached

    _

    harkin (f58543)

  186. > If I have to wear a mask to go someplace, I just don’t go there. Why does that bother you people so much?

    Because you have no way to be certain that you are not infected with a disease that kills 7 out of every thousand people it infects, and you go places while choosing not to take a trivial step to minimize the risk that you infect other people with a disease that kills 7 out of every thousand people it infects.

    You do not care if you kill inadvertently kill someone. Why wouldn’t that bother people?

    aphrael (7962af)

  187. Facts not in evidence aphrael. Do you say the same about the flu? If you are asymptomatic, what is your risk of spreading the virus?

    You just make stuff up because you are in a state of fear. We don’t have to live our life at the mercy of your fear. People can make adult decisions on their own. Show respect for others.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  188. 197. Of course I care if I do. But the odds of that happening are so vanishingly small, I am willing to take that risk. I care if I kill someone behind the wheel of a car, as well. That doesn’t mean I stop driving. I care if I die or kill crossing the street on foot; there is a non-zero chance I could get killed or startle someone so that they swerve off the road trying to avoid me. That doesn’t mean I never take that risk, just that I accept it.

    I am genuinely sorry that bothers you, but I simply refuse to live my life paralyzed with fear. I will grudgingly accept policy such as it is in whatever municipalities or private businesses I do business with, but there is a point at which risk mitigation has diminishing returns and I happen to believe that we are long past that point.

    This column sums up my feelings perfectly.

    Gryph (08c844)

  189. 198. I am not living life at the mercy of anyone’s fear. I will not. For that, I am slandered as an unfeeling, unthinking narcissist lacking in “common sense.” Oh well. Here we are.

    Gryph (08c844)

  190. > Facts not in evidence aphrael. Do you say the same about the flu? If you are asymptomatic, what is your risk of spreading the virus?

    The worst-case estimate for the infection fatality rate of flu is 1/5 to 1/7 the infection fatality rate of covid-19. This has been demonstrated repeatedly by comparing serum surveillance data of infected populations with the reported death rate in the jurisdiction containing those populations.

    People are infectious before they are symptomatic. This has also been repeatedly demonstrated.

    >You just make stuff up because you are in a state of fear

    No, you deny the evidence because you don’t want to believe it, and then because you are unwilling to take care of the people around you, you accuse them of living in fear.

    > People can make adult decisions on their own.

    Yes, they can. And you, and everyone else who refuses to wear a mask in public, is deciding to value your freedom from a minor inconvenience more than you value the lives of the people in your community.

    > Show respect for others.

    Behave in a manner worthy of respect.

    aphrael (7962af)

  191. @199-
    Your position regarding yourself doesn’t bother me in least. I didn’t care if you get infected or not. It’s your shortsightedness toward others is what is appalling.

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  192. @200-
    At least you defined yourself.

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  193. Covid doesn’t care how brave you are.

    Davethulhu (749f04)

  194. @139. Which makes for quite a MIC ‘racket’ 😉

    “You can go a long way with a smile. You can go a lot farther with a smile and a gun.” – Al Capone

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  195. 202. Other people’s chance of dying from CoViD-19 is the same as mine. If I believed that some people were more at risk than others, I would act accordingly — which is precisely why I haven’t set foot in a nursing home since this thing started.

    203. I said I’ve been *slandered* as such. Which by definition, means it’s a falsehood.

    Gryph (08c844)

  196. IN about a month, the states with the highest infection rates among the young will be seen as the leaders in the fight against Covid. Until there is some herd immunity the pandemic will continue. You CAN get there with a vaccine, but if not you still have to get there. Better it’s the half of the population under 40 than the survivors among the elderly.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  197. Or the best treatment has been dismissed through frauds like surgisphere and nejm fixed trials.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  198. Trump’s claim that he’s done more for black Americans than any president since Lincoln

    “My Admin has done more for the Black Community than any President since Abraham Lincoln. Passed Opportunity Zones with @SenatorTimScott, guaranteed funding for HBCU’s, School Choice, passed Criminal Justice Reform, lowest Black unemployment, poverty, and crime rates in history.”

    — President Trump, in a tweet, June 2, 2020

    …….
    In his …….. tweet, Trump pointed to specific achievements to bolster his claim, so we will see how this stands up to the work of previous presidents.
    …….

    [T]he claim that Trump has exceeded every other president since Lincoln earned only derision from prominent historians. Instead, they said Lyndon B. Johnson, who signed into law the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, is clearly the president who had the most lasting impact on the lives of African Americans. These legislative victories were not easy, requiring Johnson to build coalitions with moderate Republicans and liberal Democrats to defeat the powerful segregationists in his own party who dominated the South.

    Here’s a sampling of historians who point to Johnson:…….
    ……..
    As for Trump’s list of achievements in his tweet, that was dismissed as small beer. “Trump’s so-called accomplishments will not even be noticed by historians five years from now,” (historian H. W.) Brands said.

    Trump’s Opportunity Zones program, for instance, was supposed to channel investments into poor neighborhoods. But the New York Times revealed the “most visible impact so far has been to set off a feeding frenzy among the wealthiest Americans. They are poised to reap billions in untaxed profits on high-end apartment buildings and hotels in trendy neighborhoods, storage facilities that employ only a handful of workers or student housing in bustling college towns.”

    The funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU) is a congressional initiative. ….
    …….
    As for black unemployment rates, they continued on a downward trend that started in the Obama administration — until the coronavirus pandemic. ……… “If he gets credit for the improving economy through early 2020, why should he avoid blame for the current state of the economy?” (said David Greenberg, a Rutgers University scholar who has written a history of White House spin in the past century.)

    On the negative side, many experts faulted Trump for his attacks on voting rights (which mainly benefit minorities) and his statements as president that have been labeled as racist and have fanned the flames of racial division.

    We asked the White House for a defense of Trump’s tweet, in light of the objections from historians, and did not get a response.
    ……

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  199. Rolling Stones threaten to sue Trump over using their songs
    ……..
    The Stones said in a statement Sunday that their legal team is working with music rights organization BMI to stop use of their material in Trump’s reelection campaign.

    “The BMI have notified the Trump campaign on behalf of the Stones that the unauthorized use of their songs will constitute a breach of its licensing agreement,” the Stones said. “If Donald Trump disregards the exclusion and persists, then he would face a lawsuit for breaking the embargo and playing music that has not been licensed.’’
    …….
    The Rolling Stones’ 1969 classic “You Can’t Always Get What You Want” was a popular song for his events. It was played again at the close of Trump’s recent rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma……..

    The music rights organization BMI provides licenses for venues to play a broad array of music and has a catalog of more than 15 million songs that can be played at political events. Artists can opt out of having their music played at political events, and a BMI statement says the Stones have done that.

    BMI has informed the Trump campaign that if it plays Stones music again at an event, it will be in breach of its licensing agreement, the statement said.
    ……..
    They should be playing Sympathy for the Devil

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  200. You can’t be serious, Texas:

    As the coronavirus pandemic engulfs Texas’ metropolitan areas, Republican Gov. Greg Abbott has left the door open for massive indoor gatherings. And organizers are moving forward with some big ones, including the Texas Republican Party’s upcoming convention in Houston.

    Harris County, where Houston is located, has the highest number of coronavirus cases and deaths in the state, but the Texas GOP plans to press forward with plans to hold an in-person convention from July 16-18 in the city’s George R. Brown Convention Center.

    “All systems are go, folks. This is happening,” Kyle Whatley, the party’s executive director, said Tuesday during a tele-town hall, noting the convention program is already being printed.

    On Tuesday, Abbott granted local officials the power to restrict outdoor gatherings of more than 100 people, but made no mention of indoor gatherings. The Texas GOP convention is expected to draw about 6,000 attendees, roughly half of what it would expect for such a convention in normal times, according to Whatley. The party’s website brands its annual convention as the “largest political gathering in the free world.”

    Although officials say they will revisit the mask issue again, before the convention, here’s where it stands now:

    The party does not plan to require masks at the convention, though chairman James Dickey acknowledged Tuesday that Harris County is currently under an order mandating that businesses require customers to wear masks.

    “The Republican Party isn’t considered a commercial entity so they themselves are not required to comply with the mask order,” said Melissa Arredondo, a spokesperson for the office of Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo, who issued the mask order.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  201. In the bill that passed the House of Representatives, Washington, would still be called Washington, D.C., but D.C. would stand for Douglass Commonwealth, not District of Columbia.

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  202. Re: Filibuster end.

    Probably not January, but February, March or April, also provided that a Democrat is president.

    The Democrats will first try to keep the filibuster, but use the threat of abolishing it to prevent Mitch McConnell from stopping legislation. There are other way of delying legislation besides the filibuster.

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  203. Trump retweets video with his supporter yelling “white power”. Now he has removed the tweet, of course. And then the…. “oh, I didn’t hear him say that” routine will follow.

    Dog whistle after dog whistle. Donald Trump’s racist ways are becoming obvious for anyone willing to see.

    noel (4d3313)

  204. I’m all for massive indoor gathering, of young people. Best to do it all at once so the window of danger for older people is short and they can be prepared to take measures.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  205. Ben Rhodes
    @brhodes

    How would Fox, Lindsey Graham, and the GOP react if any other President knew for months that Russia was paying bounties on our troops, did literally nothing about it, praised Russia, invited Putin back to the G-7, and used our military for campaign photo ops? Vote them all out
    __ _

    Drew McCoy
    @_Drew_McCoy_
    ·
    “A report dated Oct. 15, 2010, from the Theater Intelligence Group based out of Bagram Air Base, said that Iran’s Quds Force was paying $1,000 for every U.S. soldier killed and $6,000 for American vehicles destroyed.” https://militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2020/01/14/iran-support-to-the-taliban-which-has-included-manpads-and-a-bounty-on-us-troops-could-be-a-spoiler-for-peace-in-afghanistan/

    __ _

    Send them pallets of cash.
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  206. Dana, it would be Lt. Col. Allen West’s worst nightmare to attend, make his speech and still not get chosen chair of the Texas Republican Party after what seems like a few years anticipation, plus catch a case of the CV.

    urbanleftbehind (247c32)

  207. When you watch the images from The Villages in Florida, ask yourself why any President would retweet such a divisive and racially explosive video. Although you might be tempted to laugh at some of the non-racist insults, try to consider what black citizens must be thinking about this retweet.

    More “great people” making America grrrreaaaat!

    noel (4d3313)

  208. The Stones blocking Trump from using their music probably means we won’t see any political ads showing Biden while Mick sings the first line of Mother’s Little Helper:

    ‘What a drag…..it is….getting old
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  209. They should be playing Sympathy for the Devil

    I’d try to work Lies, Monkey Man and Turd on the Run into the rotation too…

    Dave (1bb933)

  210. Bloomberg QuickTake
    @QuickTake

    LIVE: Aerial footage shows massive crowds rallying to celebrate #Pride in Chicago
    __ _

    Mark Dice
    @MarkDice
    ·
    So coronavirus only infects straight people?
    _ _

    Alex Jeffries Fire
    @the1codemonkey
    ·
    So… “stay at home” and “social distance” are not part of this week’s narrative. Got it.
    __ _

    El Risitas Fanclub
    @risitasfanclub
    ·
    It’s okay the virus knows it’s pride month.
    __ _

    Scott S
    @scotts_3101
    ·
    COVID is the least dangerous thing being spread down there

    __

    harkin (5af287)

  211. New York State had 17 deaths from the coronavirus (diagnosed cases I assume, and probably in hospitals) then 10 and the latest date, 5.

    There was a high school graduation ceremony in cars at the train station in Chappaqua, in Westchester County, for the class of 2020 of Horace Greeley [problematic name?] High School, Saturday a week ago.

    It turns out that one senior girl had just returned from Florida, and later tested positive. Four others (could include parents) at the high school graduation also did. Not all people stuck to the rules of not getting out of their cars, or mingling outside.

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/27/ny-student-sparks-covid-19-cluster-after-returning-from-florida

    They didn’t say if all four left their cars. So long as the rules are unlikely to be followed 100% you can always blame not following the rules, or perhaps focused on the wrong rules as key.

    Now everyone there is supposed to quarantine themselves until July 5.

    The girl who went to Florida also attended some other kind of event that day but there has been no news released about that.

    Governor Cuomo also declared that any state worker who voluntarily travels to high-risk states after last Thursday, June 25, and gets sick won’t get COVID-19 paid sick leave.

    By the way, there were some kinds of commencement addresses, delivered remotely and projected on a big screen, from Bill and Hillary Clinton, and some others too.

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  212. LIVE: Aerial footage shows massive crowds rallying to celebrate #Pride in Chicago

    No wonder nk has been quiet today!

    Dave (1bb933)

  213. @220-
    Add It’s All Over Now

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  214. Dana @ 211. I don’t blame Abbott for the allegedly too-soon re-opening of bars — every cowboy knows that you can keep cattle away from a waterhole for only so long before they stampede — but this state convention thingie is just loco.

    nk (1d9030)

  215. The massive indoor Texas State Convention is on!

    “Our decision to hold an in-person convention comes as a direct result of wanting to protect the rights of our delegates as the grassroots of our Party, as well as to lead the way in promoting and practicing our principle of personal responsibility,” James Dickey

    “personal responsibility”? …..S.N.A.F.U.

    noel (4d3313)

  216. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/27/world/europe/coronavirus-spread-asymptomatic.html

    Dr. Rothe had written that patients appeared to be contagious before the onset of any symptoms. The government team had written that patients appeared to be contagious before the onset of full symptoms — [that is] at a time when symptoms were so mild that people might not even recognize them.

    The Chinese woman, for example, had woken up in the middle of the night feeling jet-lagged. Wanting to be sharp for her meetings, she took a Chinese medicine called 999 — containing the equivalent of a Tylenol tablet — and went back to bed.

    Perhaps that had masked a mild fever? Perhaps her jet lag was actually fatigue? She had reached for a shawl during a meeting. Maybe that was a sign of chills?

    Merle Böhmer and her team wrote that patients appeared to be contagious before showing full symptoms, not before showing any symptoms.

    After two lengthy phone calls with the woman, doctors at the Robert Koch Institute were convinced that she had simply failed to recognize her symptoms. They wrote to the editor of The New England Journal of Medicine, casting doubt on Dr. Rothe’s findings.

    Editors there [at The Lancet] decided that the dispute amounted to hairsplitting. If it took a lengthy interview to identify symptoms, how could anyone be expected to do it in the real world?

    “The question was whether she had something consistent with Covid-19 or that anyone would have recognized at the time was Covid-19,” said Dr. Eric Rubin, the journal’s editor.

    “The answer seemed to be no.”

    The journal did not publish the letter. But that would not be the end of it….

    ….Dr. Rothe’s report quickly became a symbol of rushed research. Scientists said she should have talked to the Chinese patient herself before publishing, and that the omission had undermined her team’s work. On Twitter, she and her colleagues were disparaged by scientists and armchair experts alike…..

    …The next morning, Dr. Clemens-Martin Wendtner made a startling announcement. Dr. Wendtner was overseeing treatment of Munich’s Covid-19 patients — there were eight now — and had taken swabs from each.

    He discovered the virus in the nose and throat at much higher levels, and far earlier, than had been observed in SARS patients. That meant it probably could spread before people knew they were sick…

    …But the Science story drowned that news out. If Dr. Rothe’s paper had implied that governments might need to do more against Covid-19, the pushback from the Robert Koch Institute was an implicit defense of the conventional thinking.

    Sweden’s public health agency declared that Dr. Rothe’s report had contained major errors. The agency’s website said, unequivocally, that “there is no evidence that people are infectious during the incubation period” — an assertion that would remain online in some form for months….

    …Once the Science article was published, however, the organization waded directly into the debate on Dr. Rothe’s work. On Tuesday, Feb. 4, Dr. Sylvie Briand, the agency’s chief of infectious disease preparedness, tweeted a link to the Science article, calling Dr. Rothe’s report flawed.

    It is important to differentiate asymptomatic from pre-symptomatic transmission. #2019n_CoV Study claiming new coronavirus can be transmitted by people without symptoms was flawed https://t.co/qZ8285IrwF

    — Dr Sylvie Briand (@SCBriand) February 4, 2020

    With that tweet, the W.H.O. focused on a semantic distinction that would cloud discussion for months: Was the patient asymptomatic, meaning she would never show symptoms? Or pre-symptomatic, meaning she became sick later? Or, even more confusing, oligo-symptomatic, meaning that she had symptoms so mild that she didn’t recognize them?

    To some doctors, the focus on these arcane distinctions felt like whistling in the graveyard. A person who feels healthy has no way to know that she is carrying a virus or is about to become sick. Airport temperature checks will not catch these people. Neither will asking them about their symptoms or telling them to stay home when they feel ill.

    Thought: This is why the disease was not contained like SARS was, although maybe a very careful look could contain it.

    If we say it is axiomatic that a person must have some signs of the disease in order to be contagious, there might be a way of finding it. The NBA thinks it has a ring it can give to players that will detect it.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/21/health/nba-smart-ring-tracking-covid/index.html

    And a dog maybe might too. The nose knows.)

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  217. Dana quoted Melissa Areddondo: “The Republican Party isn’t considered a commercial entity so they themselves are not required to comply with the mask order,”

    They are no longer considered of sound mind…. so they should not be bound by typical contractual or legal constraints.

    noel (4d3313)

  218. The NBA ring measures pulse, other heart activity, temperature, movement and probable periods of sleep. It would be trying to determine if there is a slight sign of debilitation – that the body is fighting an infection. Everything would depend upon the criteria they use for a positive indication.

    I suppose they could also take a blood est and measure white blood cell count.

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  219. Great article by David French:

    I’m Not Hateful, You Are

    On Thursday, the good folks at Beyond Conflict released a study called “America’s Divided Mind,” and while I’m not sure they had Matthew 7 in mind when they looked at the results, they provided strong evidence of the spiritual consequence of unjust judgment—by the measure we judge others, so shall we be judged.

    Its results show why we’re in the grips of toxic polarization and a nonstop state of political emergency. Across the great American political divide, the two warring tribes have made an identical judgment about the other—“I’m not hateful, you are.” Or, to put it even more precisely, “I may not hate you, but you hate me.”

    Here’s the summary of the findings:

    Large majorities of both Democrats and Republicans substantially exaggerate the extent to which members of the other party dehumanize, dislike, and disagree with them—creating a significant divide between perception and reality.

    This means:

    The more we feel disliked and dehumanized by members of the other party, the more likely we are to express greater dislike and dehumanization toward them. In this way, the divide between actual and perceived dislike and dehumanization can create a downward spiral of hostility that fuels further toxic polarization.

    When you dive into the details, the study gets even more remarkable. With striking regularity, Americans misjudge each other in exactly the same ways.

    Read the whole thing, it’s eye-opening.

    Dave (1bb933)

  220. Covid doesn’t care how brave you are.

    It only cares about your political affiliations.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7dbf31)

  221. Gryph (08c844) — 6/28/2020 @ 10:38 am

    If I have to wear a mask to go someplace, I just don’t go there. Why does that bother you people so much?

    Because it’s much easier to not read what you’ve said and attack you than it is to ask questions or give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

    Based on where I live and my lifestyle I don’t need to wear a mask very often. I also see people in cars by themselves wearing a mask. That makes no sense to me.

    The real problem some people will have with your approach is that it’s a person making a decision based on the information available to them. This can’t be allowed. Not only must you say two plus two equals five but you must believe it.

    frosty (80b89b)

  222. If I have to wear a mask to go someplace, I just don’t go there. Why does that bother you people so much?

    It doesn’t. But you go way beyond that. You’re trying to convince us that your state’s coronavirus curve which reflects your governor’s bodily curves is the situation everywhere.

    nk (1d9030)

  223. 231. beer ‘n pretzels (7dbf31) — 6/28/2020 @ 1:28 pm

    It only cares about your political affiliations.

    Well, Democrats think so.

    They seem to think it makes a difference. Republican assemblies indoors in the Southwest are bad, but two or more days of indoor ceremonies in Houston for George Floyd don’t matter.

    Republicans, following Trump’s lead, think it doesn’t matter whether a crowd is predominantly Democrat or predominantly Republican: Covid will respect your first amendment rights to freedom of religion or freedom of assembly in either case.

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  224. https://www.aier.org/article/why-facts-dont-matter-to-people/

    For those of you who claim to be using reason, yet are screaming that people who disagree with you want others to die due to their negligence.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  225. Dave @77: “knuckle-draggers”

    Dave @230: “Great article by David French” about perceived dislike and dehumanizing language.

    Yes, there’s a “divided mind” all right.

    beer ‘n pretzels (afb340)

  226. Dana quoted Melissa Areddondo: “The Republican Party isn’t considered a commercial entity so they themselves are not required to comply with the mask order,”

    They are no longer considered of sound mind…. so they should not be bound by typical contractual or legal constraints.

    noel (4d3313) — 6/28/2020 @ 1:17 pm

    And you’re supporting the leftists trying to turn America into the USSA?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  227. The NBA ring measures pulse, other heart activity, temperature, movement and probable periods of sleep. It would be trying to determine if there is a slight sign of debilitation – that the body is fighting an infection. Everything would depend upon the criteria they use for a positive indication.

    I suppose they could also take a blood est and measure white blood cell count.

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6) — 6/28/2020 @ 1:25 pm

    My “smart” watch does similar things.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  228. … yet are screaming that people who disagree with you want others to die due to their negligence.

    Not an honest characterization.

    Not caring if others die due their negligence is not the same as wanting others to die due to their negligence.

    Drunk drivers don’t generally want to kill people on the road, either. But kill them they do.

    Dave (1bb933)

  229. frosty (80b89b) — 6/28/2020 @ 1:30 pm

    I also see people in cars by themselves wearing a mask. That makes no sense to me.

    People aren’t thinking very deeply about this.

    I know someone who worried when a person without a mask passed – just passed by – within 6 feet of him, and he himself had on a mask. One of those flimsy surgical masks, but still a mask. And this is in New York, where the virus, is for now, practically eliminated and one third or more people are immune.

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  230. Yes, there’s a “divided mind” all right.

    Touche’, but “knuckle-draggers” was an indictment peoples’ intelligence for the objectively stupid act of attending a (sort of) large indoor rally without protection during a pandemic, not their humanity.

    Dave (1bb933)

  231. I also see people in cars by themselves wearing a mask. That makes no sense to me.

    If it’s a short ride between two stops, or if I’m picking something up at a drive-through, there is no reason to take the mask off, and it’s best to handle the mask as little as possible before disposing of it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  232. Spies and Commandos Warned Months Ago of Russian Bounties on U.S. Troops
    ……..
    The emerging details added to the picture of the classified intelligence assessment, which The New York Times reported on Friday was briefed to President Trump and discussed by the White House’s National Security Council at an interagency meeting in late March. The Trump administration had yet to act against the Russians, the officials said.
    ………
    Though the White House press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, claimed on Saturday that Mr. Trump had not been briefed about the intelligence report, one American official had told The Times that the report was briefed to the highest levels of the White House. Another said it was included in the President’s Daily Brief, a compendium of foreign policy and national security intelligence compiled for Mr. Trump to read.

    Ms. McEnany did not challenge The Times’s reporting on the existence of the intelligence assessment, the National Security Council meeting and the White House’s inaction. ……..
    ……..
    In addition to saying he was never “briefed or told” about the intelligence report — a formulation that went beyond the White House denial of any formal briefing — Mr. Trump also cast doubt on the assessment’s credibility, which statements from his subordinates had not.

    …….. Mr. Trump also suggested that the developments could be a “hoax” and questioned whether The Times’s sources — government officials who spoke on condition of anonymity — existed.

    ……. Mr. Trump then pivoted to attack former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr…….. as well as Mr. Biden’s son, Hunter, who is the target of unsubstantiated claims that he helped a Ukrainian energy firm curry favor with the Obama administration when his father was vice president.
    ……..
    One official said that the seizure of a large amount of American cash at one Taliban site got “everybody’s attention” in Afghanistan. It was not clear when the money was recovered.

    Two officials said the information about the bounty hunting was “well-known” among the intelligence community in Afghanistan……The information was distributed in intelligence reports and highlighted in some of them.

    Within the last several months, the assessment was compiled and sent up the chain of command to senior military and intelligence officials, eventually landing at the highest levels of the White House.
    …….
    Ms. Pelosi said that if the president had not, in fact, been briefed, then the country should be concerned that his administration was afraid to share with him information regarding Russia.

    Ms. Pelosi said that the episode underscored Mr. Trump’s accommodating stance toward Russia and that with him, “all roads lead to Putin.”
    ………
    If Trump was required to read it in his Presidential Daily Brief, then no wonder he doesn’t know anything.

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  233. 238. NJRob (eb56c3) — 6/28/2020 @ 1:51 pm

    My “smart” watch does similar things.

    But what you don’t have is a program that tells you that you might have an infection. Or any instructions about what to do in that case. Quarantine yourself for two or three days, and if it still says there’s a problem, or you feel bad, get a test at an Urgent Care Center or CVS maybe?

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  234. If Trump was required to read it in his Presidential Daily Brief, then no wonder he doesn’t know anything.

    I think this is pretty unfair to President Trump.

    In March he was very busy telling us the coronavirus was under control, chloroquine was a game-changer, and everything would be back to normal by Easter.

    Dave (1bb933)

  235. As the coronavirus pandemic engulfs Texas’ metropolitan areas, Republican Gov. Greg Abbott has left the door open for massive indoor gatherings.

    Defiantly waving muskets and not wearing masks didn’t work at the Alamo, either. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  236. Biden could use the Stones line from Sweet Virginia: Got to scrape the sh*t right off your shoes.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  237. …… everything would be back to normal by Easter.

    To his credit he didn’t say Easter of what year.

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  238. One of the first and most elementary things a young Christian learns in Sunday school is the idea that God’s commands are “good for you.”

    Wrong, Frenchy.

    The first thing ‘young Christians’ learn in Sunday school is some old dude passes you a collection plate you’re expected to cough up a quarter, a buck or a sawbuck into inside cute, little pre-dated envelopes.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  239. @247. If a lawn is not available, more likely the Stones line:

    Hey, you, get off of my cloud. Hey, you, get off of my cloud. Hey, you, get off of my cloud. Don’t hang around ’cause two’s a crowd. – ‘Get Off Of My Cloud’ – The Rolling Stones, 1965

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  240. To his credit he didn’t say Easter of what year.

    Actually he did.

    FOX NEWS TOOL: “You said that we would – I’m paraphrasing now – that you’d like to be back to normal by Easter Sunday. That’s 19 days from now. Is that true?”

    CRIMINAL TRAITOR TRUMP: “I think it’s possible. Why isn’t it?”

    Dave (1bb933)

  241. “For those of you who claim to be using reason, yet are screaming that people who disagree with you want others to die due to their negligence.”

    Deceptive charts, especially the “available hospital beds” one. Having beds available Omaha doesn’t help if Houston runs out. For example:

    As the number of patients hospitalized with the coronavirus has reached record highs 12 days in a row, Gov. Greg Abbott and other health officials have stressed that the state has “abundant” capacity to care for them.

    Statewide, there were 14,260 available hospital beds and nearly 1,500 intensive care unit beds as of Tuesday.

    But regionally, some hospital officials are reporting that intensive care units — for seriously ill patients, like those on ventilators — are near or over capacity, and local leaders have warned that hospitals could get overwhelmed if the number of infections keeps climbing.

    In the hard-hit Houston region, hospitals have begun moving coronavirus patients from crowded ICUs to other facilities. A local children’s hospital said this week it is admitting transfer patients, with and without the virus, to help other facilities manage their capacity.

    “We appear to be nearing the tipping point,” Dr. Marc Boom, head of the Houston Methodist hospital system, wrote in an email to employees Friday. “Should the number of new cases grow too rapidly, it will eventually challenge our ability to treat both COVID-19 and non-COVID 19 patients.

    https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/23/texas-coronavirus-hospitalizations-icu-houston/

    Davethulhu (749f04)

  242. I also see people in cars by themselves wearing a mask. That makes no sense to me

    I put my mask on when I leave the house. If I don’t I will forget to put on when I get to the store I’m going to. But I keep it hanging around my neck, not over my face, while I’m the car.

    Kishnevi (70222c)

  243. DCSCA (797bc0) — 6/28/2020 @ 2:22 pm

    You don’t have a chip on your shoulder. You have a boulder on it.

    Kishnevi (70222c)

  244. What is the President’s answer to the challenges of a pandemic? Ridicule mask wearing. Encourage indoor events without social distancing. Use unproven drugs and bleach injections. Reduce testing. Yes. REDUCE testing.

    OK. Now we are at a tipping point. If he is not crazy, who is? Really folks.

    noel (4d3313)

  245. Don’t be fooled by confidence and an expensive suit. His fame and fortune either. He is nuts.

    noel (4d3313)

  246. 233. Nowhere have I ever said that. If you read that into whatever I *did* say, that’s your problem. Not mine.

    Gryph (08c844)

  247. Trump campaign scrambling to revive the president’s imperiled reelection bid

    President Trump and his campaign team are grappling with how to resuscitate his imperiled reelection effort amid a wave of polling that shows him badly trailing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden and losing traction even among core constituencies.
    …….
    …….[T]hen there’s Trump himself, who has derailed his team’s desired themes on an almost daily basis — deploying racist rhetoric and mounting incendiary attacks on critics amid a surging coronavirus pandemic, an economic crisis and roiling protests over police brutality.
    ……..
    Trump’s advisers and allies have grown frustrated with some of the president’s incendiary and divisive behavior and comments in recent weeks and are dismayed by the polls, including some of their own internal surveys that also show him losing to Biden. …….
    …….
    The president has responded to the turmoil by emphasizing his nativist and base instincts, attempting to rally his core supporters through controversial and racially tinged comments and tweets.
    ……..
    Advisers, meanwhile, are frustrated with the president’s tendency to portray himself as the victim, and have urged him to stop the public displays of self-pity.
    ……..
    The trend is obvious,” (former New Jersey governor Chris) Christie said. “The trend is moving towards Joe Biden when Joe Biden hasn’t said a word. Joe Biden’s hiding in the basement and not saying anything. No discredit to the vice president — if you’re winning without doing anything, why do anything.”
    …….
    ……… In a clear sign of worry, the campaign has purchased ad time in Georgia, a longtime GOP stronghold.
    ……….
    Speaking Thursday in Pennsylvania, Biden similarly took aim at Trump’s seeming inability to rise to the moment, saying the president is handling the coronavirus “like a child who can’t believe this has happened to him.”

    “All his whining and self-pity,” Biden said. “This pandemic didn’t happen to him. It happened to all of us. And his job isn’t to whine about it. His job is to do something about it, to lead.”

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  248. Houston hospitals hit 100% base ICU capacity. Then they stopped reporting data.
    Texas Medical Center hospitals have stopped reporting key metrics showing the stress rising numbers of COVID-19 patients are placing on their facilities, undermining data that policy makers and the public have relied upon during the pandemic to gauge the spread of the coronavirus.

    The change came one day after the hospitals reported their base intensive care capacity had hit 100 percent for the first time during the pandemic, with projections showing the institutions — which together comprise the world’s largest medical complex — were on pace to exceed their “unsustainable surge capacity” by July 6.

    It also followed discussions between Gov. Greg Abbott and hospital executives in which the governor expressed displeasure with negative headlines about ICU capacity, sources familiar with the talks said.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  249. Just like NeverTrump, a one term presidency is one term more than the Lincoln Project will ever achieve.

    But maybe they think Lincoln was a Democrat, which would explain a lot.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7dbf31)

  250. Sacha Baron Cohen apparently infiltrated a right-wing militia rally in Washington State last night and, posing as the lead-singer of the musical entertainment, got the crowd to sing along with verses like:

    Doctor Fauci, what we gonna do?
    Inject him with the Wuhan flu…
    W.H.O., what we gonna do?
    Chop ’em up like the Saudis do…

    According the reports, he hired his own security to keep the organizers from throwing him off stage or cutting the power to the sound system, and then made good his escape in an ambulance rented as a getaway vehicle…

    One might reasonably question whether this raises the tone of political discourse in America (well, not really – obviously it doesn’t…), but it was definitely ballsy.

    Dave (1bb933)

  251. But maybe they think Lincoln was a Democrat, which would explain a lot.

    It’s hard to believe, but some people apparently think Donald Trump is a Republican, too.

    Dave (1bb933)

  252. #214

    Donald Trump’s racist ways are becoming obvious for anyone willing to see.

    Becoming? LOL

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  253. Mississippi lawmakers vote to remove rebel emblem from flag
    Mississippi will surrender the Confederate battle emblem from its state flag, more than a century after white supremacist legislators embedded it there a generation after the South lost the Civil War.

    Mississippi’s House and Senate voted in succession Sunday afternoon to retire the flag, with broad bipartisan support. Republican Gov. Tate Reeves has said he will sign the bill, and the state flag would lose its official status as soon as he signs the measure.
    ……..
    A commission would design a new flag that cannot include the Confederate symbol and that must have the words “In God We Trust.” Voters will be asked to approve the new design in the Nov. 3 election. If they reject it, the commission will set a different design using the same guidelines, and that would be sent to voters later.
    …….
    ……. The House passed the bill 91-23 Sunday afternoon, and the Senate passed it 37-14 later.
    ……..
    Legislators put the Confederate emblem on the upper left corner of Mississippi flag in 1894, as whites were squelching political power that African Americans gained after the Civil War.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  254. But maybe they think Lincoln was a Democrat, which would explain a lot.
    He certainly would be today.

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  255. The White House has already gotten the President to delete his “white power” tweet. Only took three hours for the staff to drag his finger over to that delete button.

    noel (4d3313)

  256. Speaking of ballsy-
    Choir of more than 100 people perform without masks at Pence event
    A choir of more than 100 people performed without masks at a robustly attended event in Texas at the First Baptist Church on Sunday that featured a speech by Vice President Mike Pence.

    Nearly 2,200 people attended the “Celebrate Freedom Rally,” in the Lone Star State……

    Throughout the service, the members of the choir sang at full volume, behind an orchestra. Between songs, the choir members put their masks back on when they sat down, according to pool reports from the event. The members of the choir had space between them, but it was not clear if it was the recommended six feet.
    ……..
    When Pence arrived at the event, he was wearing a mask. Sen. John Cornyn,a Texas Republican, and Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson, who traveled with the vice president, also wore masks. Pence said in an interview that aired Sunday that people should listen to state and local officials on wearing masks in public, adding that “every state has a unique situation.” Pence took off his mask when he began speaking.
    …….
    Flashback:
    How coronavirus spread from one member to 87% of the singers at a Washington choir practice

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  257. The White House has already gotten the President to delete his “white power” tweet. Only took three hours for the staff to drag his finger over to that delete button.
    Yeah, but the message got loud and clear. With all the reporting, no one missed it.

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  258. 265

    Mississippi lawmakers vote to remove rebel emblem from flag

    Good for them, but if they replace it with Aunt Jemima I’m going to question their sincerity.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  259. Can Trump Beat the Florida Convention Curse?
    …….[T]he event will mark the fifth time that a political convention has been held in Florida at the height of the state’s molten summer. If it’s anything like the other four, something—or quite possibly several somethings—will go wrong.

    The first three, all held in Miami Beach, were marred by riots, major political miscalculations and the kind of odd behavior that has become the hallmark of everything connected with Florida. The last one, held eight years ago in Tampa, was even wilder, featuring mermaids, penguins, police spies, a tropical storm, a bizarre movie star interlude and some very disappointed strippers.
    …….
    ……. The day Trump will accept the nomination coincides with the 60th anniversary of Jacksonville’s infamous Ax Handle Saturday, a day in which hundreds of angry whites attacked African-American civil rights protesters but the police arrested only Black people.
    ……..
    Florida has built its economy and its identity on accommodating the wildest dreams of its millions of visitors. But if its past convention history is any guide, the dream of a full-scale, old-fashioned spectacle to celebrate Trump’s nomination seems liable to turn into a nightmare scenario.
    ……,
    Hilarious history of political conventions over years in Florida.

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  260. Narciso (7404b5) — 6/28/2020 @ 4:40 pm
    Which merely means we need to ask why the NSC didn’t tell Trump. The underlying story, that the Russians offered a bounty on coalition forces, has been confirmed by other countries, and other sources, so there was enough intelligence on it that it should have been told to Trump.

    Kishnevi (de99b8)

  261. 274, now will we start seeing a lot of young Patrick Mahomes, Zendayas and Archie Windsors in late February or early March?

    urbanleftbehind (adc881)

  262. I think U.S. intelligence doesn’t like to find crimes or treaty violations or inexcusable negligence by other countries. If they didn’t put it into the president’s daily briefing, it’s most likely because they didn’t want to admit it.

    It seems there are supposed to be lots of sources, including interrogations of captured Taliban prisoners.

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  263. Trump’s denial that he wasn’t briefed on the Putin scheme to pay bounties to the Taliban to kill Americans is just as believable as BunkerBoy’s denial that he didn’t hide in the White House basement when the DC protests got hairy.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  264. We know from the “perfect” phone call that Trump has fixers who stash politically incriminating documents in ultra-classified memory-holes where they are supposed to disappear from history.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if a PDB book spelling out the bounty intel, with vulgar, Sharpie-drawn doodles of Nancy Pelosi in the margins, is secreted away in one of his bunker’s SCI vaults.

    Dave (1bb933)

  265. Or maybe its out of whole cloth, what evidence is there wire intercepts, cash transactions,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  266. GOP Senator Questions Whether Fox News Wants Trump Re-Elected After Hannity Doesn’t Help President Answer Key Question
    Republican Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley on Saturday questioned if Fox News even wants to see Donald Trump get re-elected in November, criticizing a Friday town hall interview the president gave with host Sean Hannity.
    …….
    “ Does FOXNews want Trump Re-elected? Watched Hannity/Trump interview/KEY QUESTION “What goals in next term?Trump starts answer/gets off point and Hannity helps digress and that’s end of the most important Q to get FOUR MORE YEARS OF DRAINING THE SWAMP &Justices,” Grassley tweeted Saturday morning.
    ……..
    Meanwhile, the president tweeted Saturday morning touting his interview with Hannity: “Do not believe the Fake News Media. Oklahoma speech had the highest Saturday television ratings in@FoxNews history.@seanhannity dominated T.V. with my interview on Thursday night, more than@CNN & MSDNC COMBINED. These are the real polls, the Silent Majority, not FAKE POLLS!”
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  267. He certainly would be today.

    Yeah, and Lincoln would be tearing down his own statue.

    But, hey, Rip is a Democrat! That’s like finding out Richard Simmons is gay.

    beer ‘n pretzels (494acc)

  268. Breaking-
    Russian bounties to Taliban-linked militants resulted in deaths of U.S. troops, according to intelligence assessments
    Russian bounties offered to Taliban-linked militants to kill coalition forces in Afghanistan are believed to have resulted in the deaths of several U.S. service members, according to intelligence gleaned from U.S. military interrogations of captured militants in recent months.

    Several people familiar with the matter said it was unclear exactly how many Americans or coalition troops from other countries may have been killed or targeted under the program…….
    …….
    The disturbing intelligence — which the CIA was tasked with reviewing, and later confirmed — generated disagreement about the appropriate path forward, a senior U.S. official said. The administration’s special envoy for Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, preferred confronting the Russians directly about the matter, while some National Security Council officials in charge of Russia were more dismissive of taking immediate action, the official said.
    ……..
    …….. Richard Grenell, who served as acting director of national intelligence until last month, tweeted that “I never heard this. And it’s disgusting how you continue to politicize intelligence.”
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  269. @283-
    Just one of the many neverTrumpers here.

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  270. https://reason.com/2020/06/28/cdc-antibody-studies-confirm-huge-gap-between-covid-19-infections-and-known-cases/

    That mortality rate just keeps on dropping. But shut down the world in perpetuity you scared little rabbit.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  271. https://www.mdpi.com/2079-7737/9/6/128/htm

    IFR varies from region to region and in the US runs from as low as .17% to 1.3% while in spain it ranged between as low as .13% to 3.25% with a median of 1.07%.

    ——-

    more broadly, the studies seem to converge on a median IFR of between .5 and .7% IFR. That’s been true for months and hasn’t changed substantially since early May.

    ——–

    i’m not saying “shut the world down in perpetuity”. i’m saying “if you are refusing to wear a mask in public you are an asshole who does not care about the potential that you might kill someone”. those are different sentiments, you condescending jackass.

    aphrael (7962af)

  272. Gavin Newsom
    @GavinNewsom

    NEW: Due to the rising spread of #COVID19, CA is ordering bars to close in Fresno, Imperial, Kern, Kings, Los Angeles, San Joaquin, and Tulare, while recommending they close in Contra Costa, Riverside, Sacramento, San Bernardino, Santa Barbara, Santa Clara, Stanislaus, & Ventura.
    __ _

    harkin (5af287)

  273. Why would they ever open up, a vaccine those have never worked for this type of virus of course hcq is out because of surgisphere and related fraud.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  274. @247. If a lawn is not available, more likely the Stones line:

    Hey, you, get off of my cloud. Hey, you, get off of my cloud. Hey, you, get off of my cloud. Don’t hang around ’cause two’s a crowd. – ‘Get Off Of My Cloud’ – The Rolling Stones, 1965

    In Trump’s case, it could be “Hey, MacLeod, get off of my ewe”. (Trump is a MacLeod from his mother’s side.)

    nk (1d9030)

  275. Anyway, if the venues already bought the songs with a license to play them over their PAs, a common practice, they do it in packages, Mick Liverlips can go piddle in his Liverpool.

    nk (1d9030)

  276. That mortality rate just keeps on dropping. But shut down the world in perpetuity you scared little rabbit.

    The mortality rate is what it is. The current stated mortality rate is 4.9%, using confirmed deaths and cases. If the actual number infected is ten times the stated amount, then the real mortality rate is closer to 0.5%, which is not news, and still five times more lethal than common flu. However, CV19 is substantively more contagious than other flus.
    Also, while the denominator (number of cases) is obviously higher than what’s been confirmed, so is the numerator (deaths), because there’s still a gap between excess deaths, the natural death rate and confirmed CV19-related deaths. Those are the facts.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  277. Anyway, if the venues already bought the songs with a license to play them over their PAs, a common practice, they do it in packages, Mick Liverlips can go piddle in his Liverpool.

    The campaign licenses the music, not the venue.

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  278. It’s amazing how we survived so many previous flu outbreaks without the world ending. But this generation is just so much stronger, so much brighter, so much MORE…

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  279. It’s amazing how we survived so many previous flu outbreaks without the world ending.

    Straw man alert.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  280. It’s amazing how we survived so many previous flu outbreaks without the world ending.

    Tell us one of Trump’s stories about the 1917 pandemic. I love those.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  281. 1010 WINS
    @1010WINS

    112 injured or killed in 83 shootings over 9 days in NYC: ‘I haven’t seen anything like this in my entire life’ https://bit.ly/38a0Nag
    __ _

    harkin (5af287)

  282. What’s amazing is that a virus can have a Fifth Column.

    nk (1d9030)

  283. A policy that kills the vulnerable and smothers more than a third of the businesses give me more of that.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  284. Ask and ye shall receive, narciso. That’s exactly what Trump and his groveling governors are doing. Giving us more and giving to us good.

    nk (1d9030)

  285. A policy of “I’m not responsible”.

    nk (1d9030)

  286. Seeing all those cops run over those pantifa made me feel warm and fuzzy. Thanks Narciso.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  287. That your governor creosote and fredos brother and miss wax work and the cadaver of madison

    Narciso (7404b5)

  288. nk (1d9030) — 6/28/2020 @ 6:37 pm

    confirmed evil genius

    Dave (1bb933)

  289. Ten cops versus one girl, and she still looks likes she’s ready to whup their twink asses.

    nk (1d9030)

  290. Well its portland, the place thar berkeley say hold my latte

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/nike-suffers-790-million-loss-ceo-confirms-layoffs/

    Narciso (7404b5)

  291. WSJ contributors on masks.
    What gets me is that Trump doesn’t get that masks–used with common sense–are a legitimate way to more quickly reopen the economy, allowing more folks to get out without risking the virus’ spread. It’s working here in WA State, and you can tell by the amount of traffic.
    The Czech Republic started a mask-wearing mandate early on and they contained it to the point that they lifted the mandate over a month ago. Except for the last week (which had an uptick in cases), their numbers are exemplary.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  292. Trump’s Real Reason for Running for a Second Term: Fear of Being Remembered as a One-Term ‘Loser’
    At a Thursday night “town hall” event hosted by his most obsequious of interviewers, Fox News star Sean Hannity, Donald Trump struggled with the simplest of questions: What did he want to accomplish in a second term in office?

    The president had no answer. And the rambling response he did offer raised the specter that there actually is no second-term agenda in place.

    …….. But a prevailing interest driving Trump’s desire for another four years is not ideological. It’s reputational.
    ………
    “The president has told me [on multiple occasions] that he is determined to not be a one-termer, and says that history forever remembers them as ‘losers,’” said a former senior Trump administration official. “A lot of it is about legacy for him and how he will be remembered. And if he loses, I don’t think he’ll take a defeat [at the hands of] Biden, of all possible people, lightly.”

    Another individual familiar with the president’s private remarks said they recalled Trump making similar comments as far back as late 2018. Trump, the source said, specifically referenced former President Jimmy Carter as an example of a modern political “loser,” and how “you never want to be that guy,” the source said, paraphrasing Trump.
    ………
    Advisers acknowledge that any Trump second-term agenda would be severely complicated by two major components: the lingering effects of the coronavirus, which has claimed more than 120,000 lives in the United States and torpedoed the American economy; and the likelihood of Democratic control of one, or perhaps two, chambers of Congress. Re-election, in short, would come with the demand to repair the damage from the pandemic and more protracted partisan squabbles and standoffs that yield scant major legislative victories.
    ………
    Various Trump advisers have long said that if the president hones his message, and quits running off on bizarre and damaging tangents, he’d have a good shot at victory. However, several of them privately concede that this president’s apparent inability to stop being consumed by wild personal grievances and petty feuding has continued to hobble his chances.
    ………………

    Rip Murdock (5bd9a8)

  293. 112 injured or killed in 83 shootings over 9 days in NYC: ‘I haven’t seen anything like this in my entire life’ https://bit.ly/38a0Nag

    , I notice you didn’t put the actual murder’s separate, I remember this one time, in New York, 3,000 people died, in like, an hour.

    And there is this one year 1990, where there were 2,605 murders and 17,460 shootings. The worst week, 60 murders, and 1,400 shootings.

    But that’s a scary number, I mean, not in comparison, but sure.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  294. Trump doesn’t get that masks–used with common sense–are a legitimate way to more quickly reopen the economy, allowing more folks to get out without risking the virus’ spread.

    That he can be so oblivious to the only interest he actually cares about – his own – shows how monumentally stupid and utterly out of touch with reality the man is.

    Dave (1bb933)

  295. Oh my blessed stars.

    Amazon.com Inc. bought the naming rights to Seattle’s KeyArena, the new home for the city’s expansion hockey team and the WNBA’s Seattle Storm, but the company isn’t putting its own name on it.
    The venue will be called the Climate Pledge Arena, a nod to Amazon’s push to get companies to have net-zero carbon emissions by 2040. It unveiled the pledge last year, which requires businesses to reach the goal a decade ahead of the Paris Agreement.
    The stadium will be the first net-zero carbon certified arena in the world, Amazon Chief Executive Officer Jeff Bezos said in a post on Instagram. The site will “generate zero waste from operations and events, and use reclaimed rainwater in the ice system to create the greenest ice in the NHL,” Bezos said.

    I’d love nothing more than to have an NBA franchise return to Seattle, but to watch them play in Climate Pledge Arena? Gah!! Maybe if the NBA team were named the Seattle Wetskins.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  296. Of course they don’t. When all you have is a hammer…

    I canceled my Bloomberg subscription, but Dr. Gottlieb has an easy geography lesson.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  297. @284. It’s bee done: Charlie Wilson’s War.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  298. ^been

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  299. KEY QUESTION “What goals in next term?Trump starts answer/gets off point and Hannity helps digress and that’s end of the most important

    Trump started to answer the question: Why people should vote for him, or perhaps what can he do in next four ears that he didn’t do till now?

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  300. 310. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/28/2020 @ 8:05 pm

    , I remember this one time, in New York, 3,000 people died, in like, an hour.

    They didn’t include that in the statistics for 2001, for obvious reasons (it would have distorted them.)

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  301. The problem with American antibody testing, which means we still don’t really have a good idea of how many have been infected.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  302. The problem with American antibody testing, which means we still don’t really have a good idea of how many have been infected.

    The FDA’s malfeasance, and the fact that unreliable, unvalidated tests are worse than none at all, was discussed here frequently back in April, see for example here, and links therein.

    At the same time, crazy results based on these crazy tests were leading some to draw crazy conclusions.

    The ripple effects of incompetence and fecklessness at the highest levels of government continue to cripple our response, even today.

    Dave (1bb933)

  303. Dave (1bb933) — 6/28/2020 @ 9:51 pm

    , and the fact that unreliable, unvalidated tests are worse than none at all,

    No, they are not, provided people know they are unreliable. The tests can be tested later, and they were.

    I am wondering – could the false positives come from infections by another coronavirus?

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  304. Sad thing is opera singer up thread is a consummate Portland 10, rocking a flannel up top and a bear rug…in the winter.

    urbanleftbehind (adc881)

  305. No, they are not, provided people know they are unreliable. The tests can be tested later, and they were.

    Telling someone they have immunity when they really don’t is worse than not testing them at all.

    The poor saps who wasted their money on the bogus tests the FDA allowed on the market were not looking to embark on an extended research project. They wanted reliable results with a short turn around time.

    I am wondering – could the false positives come from infections by another coronavirus?

    Yes, that was noted as one of failure modes.

    Dave (1bb933)

  306. opera singer up thread is a consummate Portland 10

    “Opera singer” = Valkyrie? Solid lumberjack stock in the fourth generation is my guess.

    nk (1d9030)

  307. https://taibbi.substack.com/p/on-white-fragility

    One of the worst books ever produced, but a perfect fit for the propaganda of the left.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  308. @135 I was going to post that link too, Rip Murdock, but why be repetitive. So, instead I’ll post this one.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/we-could-be-feeling-this-for-the-next-decade-virus-hits-college-towns/ar-BB163B6P?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

    That should make the anti-academia crowd happy. It would be with a pyric smile though.

    Most college towns actually have fewer residents than they do students. Yeah, there are several prominent universities in cities with large populations, but that’s not the point. They depend on the influx of revenue brought by students as well.

    It’s not going to hurt the colleges or universities themselves. If the students choose remote learning or online courses, they still have to pay tuition. It’s going to hurt the restaurants, bars, nightclubs, apartment complexes, hotels, and other businesses that surround campuses, which are only able to maintain profitability from student spending. And parent spending, during graduation ceremonies (that’s when hotels are packed to capacity).

    Even worse would be the loss of revenue from sporting events. Hey, college sports is big money. There were college football championships in the 1930s, during the Great Depression, that had double the attendance of any Super Bowl ever played, and there are still college championships that outnumber Super Bowl attendance to this day. That’s because it’s not just students in attendance, but parents and alumni, who are fiercely loyal to their team, was well.

    It’s the same with college baseball and basketball. Then there’s high school sports. Think of the revenues lost should those events be cancelled, not just to the schools but to all the businesses surrounding campuses. We are talking about billions of dollars here.

    The economic wreckage caused by the Trump administration’s utter and complete inability to contain outbreaks will be devastating. Perhaps that’s why Trump is already blowing dog whistles about a rigged election.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-attacks-seen-undercutting-confidence-in-2020-vote/ar-BB164kmI?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

    This is Trump doing what he does, blaming everyone and anyone else for his own failure.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  309. Oh, and for those of you recommending theme songs, the Rolling Stones do not license their songs for political campaigns. But if Trump were to ask, I bet they’d give him a license to play Casino Booggie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXaqbdwI3Dc

    No good, can’t speak, wound up, no sleep
    Skydiver inside her, sLip rope, stunt flyer
    Wounded lover, got no time on hand

    Money cycle, thrill freak Uncle Sam
    Pause for business low, you understand
    Judge and jury walk out hand in hand

    Dietrich movies, close up boogies
    Kissing c*nt in Cannes
    Grotesque music, million dollar sad
    Got no tactics, got no time on hand

    Left shoe shuffle, right shoe muffle
    Sinking in the sand
    Fade out freedom, steaming heat on
    Watch that hat in black
    Finger twitching, got no time on hand

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  310. Jonah on Biden…

    In a normal time, Biden is a bad presidential candidate—which is why he did so badly the last two times he ran. He’s still a hugely flawed candidate. You never know when he’s going to say “that refrigerator won’t vote!” or “I bark flowers like the best of them.”
    But up against Trump, most of his flaws matter less or are just a wash. They’re two irritable old white guys who often say very strange things. The chief difference is that Biden is less offensive to the voting blocs he and Trump both need to win (as I write in my column today).
    […]
    But there’s one argument from Trump spinners and pro-Trump pundits that I think is just wishful thinking. I constantly hear that what Trump needs to do is make the election a choice between him and Biden rather than a referendum on Trump. Once Biden comes out of the basement, Trump will be able to define him, and define him in a way that makes voting for Trump more attractive than voting for Biden.
    There are many problems with this theory. First, as I write today, Trump seems clueless about how to define Biden. Second, it assumes that once he figures it out, he’ll succeed. Third, Biden isn’t Hillary Clinton. Trump benefited from decades of pent-up dislike for Clinton and a vast armory of anti-Clinton ammo he and his surrogates could take off the shelf. Biden is much more likeable than Clinton and while some of the ammo against Biden has merit, it only has real purchase among people who are going to vote for Trump already.
    But these are all secondary. The primary problem for Trump is that he wants the election to be a referendum on him. “Want” may be the wrong word here. Maybe “he needs to make it about him” works better. Or maybe it’s simply that he’s incapable of not making it about him.

    Biden on Biden…

    If you can wear a hat. You sure as hell can wear a mask. It’s a mouth hat. That’s all it is. Can we pipe down, collectively

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  311. mr. president donald trump, who has spent many a sleepless night wondering why shariff don’t like it, has 95% support among republicans

    that’s like 51 out of the whole 52

    nk (1d9030)

  312. Remdesvir costs 100 times what hcq does who has the patent who benefits.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  313. The only drug which has been proven to work is dexamethasone.

    nk (1d9030)

  314. I’m guessing that Trump is thrilled by today’s Supreme Court abortion decision. It’ll take his racist tweets and non-believable Russia denials and CV19 incoherence off the front page for a day.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  315. The supreme court has decreed the reaping must continue at the cost of a million innocents a year

    Narciso (7404b5)

  316. Roberts demonstrates again what a Bush judge he is.

    beer ‘n pretzels (883307)

  317. He was lawrence tribes student like obama, they absorbed the same lessons

    Narciso (7404b5)

  318. During one of the nation’s most serious moments of outrage over racial injustice, the President retweets a “white power” video out to the world. And doesn’t take it down for almost four hours? And we are supposed to believe his staff didn’t notice?

    If you are still supporting him, you know what you’re doing.

    noel (4d3313)

  319. The Louisiana statute is basically identical to the Texas one the Supremes recently decided (and Roberts voted to uphold).

    Did Kavanaugh and Gorsuch have their fingers crossed or something when they said they would respect stare decisis?

    Dave (1bb933)

  320. Biden on Biden… If you can wear a hat. You sure as hell can wear a mask. It’s a mouth hat. That’s all it is…

    And what’s a jockstrap, JoeyBee?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  321. You’re right, Dave.

    All those years of overturning precedent at the hands of liberal justices means conservatives need to respect those new precedents.

    beer ‘n pretzels (b27f61)

  322. OK, don’t wear a mask. What you got to lose?

    Oh… let’s see… Maybe the election as this continues to worsen. Maybe the economy. Perhaps your grandmother or neighbor.

    What you got to lose over your right to spread a virus?

    noel (4d3313)

  323. “https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/06/29/gun-stlouis-right/”

    I liked the part where the guy repeatedly muzzle sweeps his wife.

    Davethulhu (749f04)

  324. I was wondering if I was the only one who saw that, Davethulhu.

    nk (1d9030)

  325. Trump also tweetered out this.

    This is an example of two idiots. I’m about as staunch a 2A supporter as you can get, but sometimes people exercising their rights need to have more respect to the tools they’re using. They’re flagging each other, not to mention everyone else, bad trigger discipline, and acting, generally, in a manner that adds danger to themselves and everyone around them.

    Also, there were dozens of police with the marchers exercising their 1st amendment rights (also debatably trespassing, debatable because though its gated, it’s not actually a private street according to some of the articles, one of my neighbors put a private property sign on the road leading to our gates, it’s a county road), they were peaceful and these bozos were just…showing their @$$, Texas folks, am I using that right?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  326. where the corrupt prosecutor let all the criminals out, and freed the rioters, that’s so funny, same corrupt prosecutor who cooked up the fraud against greitens,

    narciso (7404b5)

  327. I’m sure we’ll hearing from the left side of the aisle that Roberts has gained a “strange new respect” and that he has “evolved and grown” in his role as Chief Justice.

    Paul Montagu (c8b54e)

  328. This was a slapdown of the Fifth Circuit. The Supreme Court had struck down the exact same Texas law, also up from the Fifth Circuit, in 2016.

    nk (1d9030)

  329. And there’s nothing new or strange about Roberts’ respect. Scalia would always observe stare decisis on issues where he had previously dissented. (Like Roberts had in the Texas case.)

    nk (1d9030)

  330. he upholds obamacare, the daca travesty now this, hydra craves it’s sacrifice,

    narciso (7404b5)

  331. am wondering – could the false positives come from infections by another coronavirus?

    323. Dave (1bb933) — 6/28/2020 @ 10:15 pm

    Yes, that was noted as one of failure modes.

    But that’s NOT a failure! They are immune. The virsuses are lets;s say 75% identical. It’s been estimated that the average person in the word=ld has been exposed to 3 ut of the 4 common cold coronaviruses. That’s why so many peole are asymptomatic. Get infected but never get sick.

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  332. 331. Narciso (7404b5) — 6/29/2020 @ 7:34 am

    Remdesvir costs 100 times what hcq does who has the patent who benefits.

    Remdesvir is useful at aother sage of the disease – when an nfection is well established. CQ can prevent that, particuaklrly when given with zinc, whose blood levels may be low in a particular person. There;s another they use to prevent a cytokine storm which is exactly the same thing as the Kawasaki like syndrome they talk about. It saved lives at the end, but costs lives if given too soon. (but the results were not at statstically significant levels for the latter point, that is to few cases but the probabiliy that is true is over 50% – just not 95%)

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  333. Remdesvir costs 100 times what hcq does who has the patent who benefits.
    Remdesvir is useful at aother sage of the disease – when an nfection is well established. CQ can prevent that, particuaklrly when given with zinc, whose blood levels may be low in a particular person. There;s another they use to prevent a cytokine storm which is exactly the same thing as the Kawasaki like syndrome they talk about. It saved lives at the end, but costs lives if given too soon. (but the results were not at statstically significant levels for the latter point, that is to few cases but the probabiliy that is true is over 50% – just not 95%)

    Remdisivir is a treatment, Hydroxychloroquine is worthless for Covid, no, it makes it worse; so it being cheap is meaningless.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  334. Justice Roberts joins the left again. This time to murder babies in Louisiana.

    NJRob (95f515)

  335. > It’s amazing how we survived so many previous flu outbreaks without the world ending.

    Yes. We survived, for example, the 1918-19 flu pandemic. But an enormous number of people died.

    Why does an enormous number of people dying preventable deaths matter to you so little?

    aphrael (7962af)

  336. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/29/2020 @ 10:14 am

    Remdisivir is a treatment, Hydroxychloroquine is worthless for Covid,

    It’s worthless once the disease really gets started. It is useful as a prophylactic or at the very beginning of the infection. All the studies that claim it is useless tested it at the wrong stage of the disease.

    Of course other things help too, including Vitamin D, and best would be artificial antibodies, which should become more generally available around September if nobody tries to sabotage it..

    no, it makes it worse; so it being cheap is meaningless.

    The idea that it makes it worse is part of the slander campaign against hydroxychloroquine. A quite sophisticated fraud was pulled off against the Lancet to get it to publish a false study against hydroxychloroquine.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s-coronavirus-papers-top-medical-journals-may-be-unraveling

    But just as quickly, the Lancet results have begun to unravel—and Surgisphere, which provided patient data for two other high-profile COVID-19 papers, has come under withering online scrutiny from researchers and amateur sleuths. They have pointed out many red flags in the Lancet paper, including the astonishing number of patients involved and details about their demographics and prescribed dosing that seem implausible. “It began to stretch and stretch and stretch credulity,” says Nicholas White, a malaria researcher at Mahidol University in Bangkok.

    Even after it was exposed somebody in the U.S. government got the FDA to withdraw its approval of emergency use for hydroxychloroquine.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/health/fda-hydroxychloroquine-malaria.html

    According to the letter, written by Denise M. Hinton, the F.D.A.’s chief scientist, the request to revoke the authorization came from the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, the unit of the Department of Health and Human Services that had initially asked for the authorization.

    In April, the head of that unit, Dr. Rick Bright, said he was removed from his post after he pushed for rigorous vetting of hydroxychloroquine, even as Mr. Trump and his allies were enthusiastically promoting it.

    Now actually it isn’t helpful in hospitalized patients so that may be OK as far it goes.

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  337. . Of course if you say it prevents it, it may be given to people who never would have become sick anyway, so you can say how do you know?

    But I read in a letter published in last week’s edition of Yated Ne’eman (dated June 26, 2020, page 20)

    ..I watched a video of him [Dr. Zelenko] giving the grim numbers: There were over 1,000 Covid fatalities r”l [Hebrew abbreviation of Rachmana Litzlan ~ God help us] in the frum communities on the East Coast: 75 in Crown Heights, over 600 in Boro Park, Flatbush and Midwood, over 250 in Monsey, and 75 in Lakewood. In Kiryas Yoel, there were just 14 fatalities, and in his practice just one. You would think that someone who had such a success rate when everywhere else people were dying would be honored and celebrated. Shockingly, Dr. Zelenko is being persecuted and criminalized. He was forced to close his practice and was driven away from his hometown with the FBI on his heels. His crime? Stepping out of the line the CDC has drawn.

    It sounds similar to what happened to Dr Herman Taller circa 1961 who was the first modern doctor to argue that carbohydrates and not calories are what counted. This investigation now started when when Jerome Corsi sent an email to a federal prosecutor with a similar name to that of Dr. Vladimir “Zev” Zelenko.

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  338. Well, this is interesting. Reddit has banned The_Donald forum, along with roughly 2,000 others, for violating its policy against promoting hate speech.

    https://www.axios.com/reddit-bans-the_donald-forum-as-part-of-major-hate-speech-purge-fbc8a185-0f81-402a-8629-08bec50be4f9.html

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  339. Ne genuone study that a newspaper article claims showed Hydroxychlroquine was not useful as apreventative actally showed the opposite.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html

    There was no meaningful difference between the placebo group and those who took the drug. Among those taking hydroxychloroquine, 49 of 414, or 11.8 percent, became ill. In the placebo group, 58 or 407, or 14.3 percent, became ill. Analyzed statistically, the difference between those rates was not significant.

    That means there is not a 95% probability that the difference was not the result of chance. But the probabiliy=ty that hydroxychloroquine had some effect is over 50%.

    The hydroxychloroquine group had an infection rate 82% of that of the placebo group. And that was probably without zinc. And if they could tell what they were getting, the placebo group may have taken other precautions that the hydroxychloroquine group. And maybe a higher dose wold have been more effective. Of curse, in both cases, the illness rate was low. This was done early i the epidemic in the United states.

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  340. A column in a newspaper today says that the main photograph released of the noose is misleading – it is only big enough for a hand, not a neck.

    Sammy Finkelman (3102d6)

  341. O.M.G. JoeyBee gives Covid-19 speech to gymnasium w/less than a dozen reporters.

    Attention ladies: today’s Biden Gaffe:

    “I like to be out there to get the greatest feel.” – Joe Biden 6-30-2020

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  342. O.M.G. JoeyBee gives Covid-19 speech to gymnasium w/less than a dozen reporters.

    It’s 2020 now. JFK beat Nixon on TV, shocking all the old people who thought Nixon won on the radio.

    Nobody’s watching TV, and nobody under the age of 60 cares about the size of crowds in 2020. Biden’s voters have internet access.

    Attention ladies: today’s Biden Gaffe:

    “I like to be out there to get the greatest feel.”

    See, this is what I warned you about. Biden’s just talking normally. Michael Scott ‘That’s what she said’ sexualizing is amusing, of course, but it’s been a while since you’ve found Biden making a gaffe. By falling for the idea Biden is a brain damaged vegetable, people are relieved he speaks so much more intelligently and reliably than Trump, who actually did brag about feeling women up sexually without their consent.

    Don’t lower the bar. Raise the bar. Ask what President Biden generally plans to do about Russia, who has attacked our nation and our families, ultimately causing tens of thousands of American deaths by inflicting us with Trump. What is the plan? That’s what a president needs to have.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  343. O.M.G. JoeyBee gives Covid-19 speech to gymnasium w/less than a dozen reporters.

    That’s way worse that retweeting white power videos and ignoring Russia paying for attacks on US troops, and getting busted for it, and lying about it, and getting busted for it, and lying about it again, and getting.

    But you go grrl. Biden’s also a plagiarist, oh my.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  344. @363. That’s way worse that retweeting white power videos…

    White people constitute the majority of the U.S. population, with a total of about 234,370,202 or 73% of the population as of 2017. – source, wikipastiface

    That’s a powerful voting bloc worth appealing to.

    …and ignoring Russia paying for attacks on US troops.”

    Bone up on your Charlie Wilson.

    “Klink, you boob!” – General Burkhalter [Leon Haskin] ‘Hogan’s Heroes’ CBS TV, 1965-1971

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  345. @363. Biden’s also a plagiarist, oh my.

    Oh my indeed:

    Flashback: Joe Biden’s first presidential run in 1988 cratered amid multiple instances of plagiarism

    ‘Former Vice President Joe Biden mounted an unsuccessful presidential campaign in 1988.
    When incidents of plagiarism in campaign speeches and during his time in law school came to light, his campaign was soon suspended.

    Incidents of plagiarism both on the campaign trail and during his time at the Syracuse University College of Law became some of the final issues that dogged Biden before he ultimately suspended his floundering campaign.

    During his failed 1988 run, Biden lifted portions of a speech by United Kingdom Labour MP and Margaret Thatcher challenger Neil Kinnock.

    New York Times reporter Maureen Dowd reported on the fiasco in September 1987.

    During an event at the Iowa State Fair, Biden mimicked entire portions of Kinnock’s speech from earlier in the year. At one moment, Biden repeated the line that he was the first “in a thousand generations” to graduate from college, gesturing to his wife in the exact same way Kinnock did, while also saying the same line about her education and lineage.

    Biden would later acknowledge that he in fact did have relatives who attended college, directly contrasting the Kinnock lines.

    As Dowd reported, Biden’s staffers were defensive about the allegations of blatant plagiarism. Nevertheless, Biden dropped out of the race by the end of the month.

    According to another 1987 article in The Times, Biden acknowledged plagiarizing a law review journal for a paper during law school, and asked school administrators not to be expelled. But Biden also said he made a mistake in the citation process.

    “My intent was not to deceive anyone,” Biden wrote at the time. ”For if it were, I would not have been so blatant.”

    The scandal erupted at the same time Biden was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and was overseeing the infamously partisan confirmation process of the failed-Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork.

    Biden’s plagiarism became a hot campaign issue which his 1988 Democratic rival, Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis, used in a video attack ad that was passed around to several media outlets, according to a Washington Post article in 1987.’- source, businessinsider

    The party of ‘character counts’ doesn’t count it anymore.

    Oh. My.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  346. It’s true, Biden is not a leader, not a uniter, and not an honest person. But it is really hard to make these points seem relevant now, because he is conspicuously not as weak a leader, nor as divisive, or as apparently dishonest, as Trump.

    It’s even worse when Trump supporters act super offended that Biden is somewhat creepy. The college republican ‘I’m not really breathlessly concerned, but I’m showing the hypocrisy of the left’ thing is impossible to use when you’re attacking a specific person.

    All over the place with the Biden attacks and all he has to do is sit back, live in the Trump team’s head, and wait four more months. I’m not saying biden will win. I’m saying the case is really overwhelming that if he doesn’t Trump must have done something truly horrible again.

    Dustin (739c8b)

  347. @366. Trump weak? He beat- what was it– 15 or 16 GOP seasoned candidates in primaries and the Clinton’s political machine towinthe presidency having never run for political office.

    He’s certainly a lot of things– but not weak.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  348. 363. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/30/2020 @ 10:51 am

    > That’s way worse that retweeting white power videos

    You;re talking about only one video, although Trump has retweeted other vdeos with problematic things in them, and it wasn’t billed as a white power video, but rather, a pro-Trump one (one person is it thought shouting “white power” was a good response to something somebody else said)

    Now the question is, why do you think this got retweeted:

    A) Trump doesn’t care what’s in it – he only cares that this is something that is supposed to support him.

    B) Trump listened to the video, and doesn’t care that that was said.

    C) Trump listened to the video, and didn’t notice that was said.

    D) Trump actually wanted to re-tweet that slogan.

    and ignoring Russia paying for attacks on US troops, and getting busted for it, and lying about it,

    Do you mean Russia got busted for it?

    Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc)

  349. Dustin,

    You mean root for the party that calls America racist and wants to destroy our historical monuments… which includes those in the Dakota Black Hills.

    NJRob (508cb3)

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