Governor of California: State Residents To Wear Face Masks In Public
[guest post by Dana]
Gov. Gavin Newsom on Thursday ordered all Californians to wear face coverings while in public or high-risk settings, including when shopping, taking public transit or seeking medical care, following growing concerns that an increase in coronavirus cases has been caused by residents failing to voluntarily take that precaution.
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The state mandate exempts children 2 years old and under and people with a medical, mental health or developmental disability that prevents them from wearing a face covering. Restaurant customers are also exempt when eating and drinking, as are residents recreating outdoors as long as they are able to socially distance from others.
Face coverings also are not required for the hearing impaired, or those communicating with them, or for workers whose health may be put at risk or may need to temporarily remove a mask to perform a task or service.
Masks must be worn by Californians in their workplace, when serving customers or any member of the public, by all food service workers, when working or walking through hallways and parking facilities and when riding on elevators, according to the order. People who drive buses, taxis, ride-hailing vehicles or any other service that accepts passengers also must wear masks.
Apparently the state is still trying to figure out how to enforce the mandate:
The Newsom administration did not address how the new requirement will be enforced or if Californians who violate the order will be subject to citations or other penalties.
If there’s no real teeth to the order, then why would those currently opposed to wearing a mask (because they believe it infringes on their civil liberties) decide to start wearing one? I don’t see that happening. I’m okay with wearing a mask when in public because it’s not just a courtesy to those around me, but it if can help spread the rate of infection, why the heck wouldn’t I wear one? It doesn’t cost me a thing to put it on.
And there is more confirmation that wearing a mask helps slow the risk of transmission of the virus:
A recent study from Germany found that face masks reduce the daily growth rate of reported infections by around 40%. Another study, published Thursday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, concluded that “wearing of face masks in public corresponds to the most effective means to prevent interhuman transmission.”
Anyway, here are the most recent Covid-19 numbers for California:
California reported 4,291 new COVID-19 cases on Wednesday, a new single-day record and the first time the state has broken the 4,000 barrier since the pandemic began, according to The Times’ coronavirus tracker.
Most of those — 2,129 — were in Los Angeles County, which continues to be the epicenter of the Golden State’s outbreak. Health officials said the total, a single-day high for the county, was fueled by a backlog of test results that accounted for roughly 600 of the new cases.
I also heard on the news that a California Facebook group is campaigning against wearing a mask by calling on all Californians to go “A Day Without A Mask”.
–Dana
Here we go.
Dana (25e0dc) — 6/18/2020 @ 1:55 pmApparently the state is still trying to figure out how to enforce the mandate:
Oh, clearly the answer will be to have armed police accost citizens in public and enforce the mandate under penalty of immediate arrest. That would be the irony of ironies if Newsom were to enforce it that way, wouldn’t it?
JVW (1af3db) — 6/18/2020 @ 2:02 pmYet another assault on common sense, ‘right’ out of the Culture Wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN5IM7oa4sI
DCSCA (797bc0) — 6/18/2020 @ 2:19 pmFauci now admits the government lied when it said people shouldn’t wear masks.
There are a lot of cops dealing with the riots that are also running out of OT. Fire those cops and give them applications for the newly formed mask patrols.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/18/2020 @ 2:33 pmI now live in the Bay Area, for whatever that’s worth. Mask compliance has been pretty good in my personal experience, but of course I don’t personally see 98% of it much.
Personally hoping the refuseniks can be marginally sensible; I don’t care if some idiots want to make whatever point they think they’re making, so long as I can avoid them. (And, probably not what they had in mind, but as there is still some risk of problems with vaccine development, it makes sense to continue to develop herd immunity. I thank them for volunteering themselves and their families, again if I can avoid them.)
I will say that I have learned a lot about a couple coworkers who are in this group. In the work place I don’t give a nun’s porno about other people’s politics, but I care a great deal about their judgement, reasoning and risk analysis.
john (cd2753) — 6/18/2020 @ 2:34 pmIn our grocery stores, I would say 90% or more are wearing masks. However, at our downtown shopping/eating areas, almost no one is wearing a mask. The majority of those not wearing masks are young people. Is there really any feasible way to enforce such a mandate? I don’t think there is. But I still wish people would just put on a mask when they are out in a crowded public area.
Dana (a7db8e) — 6/18/2020 @ 2:41 pmI agree.
Better to protect the police, and responsible members of the public, by simply shooting those without a mask on sight.
Dave (1bb933) — 6/18/2020 @ 2:47 pmPoor Californians. This may be one of the most abusive relationships evah.
felipe (023cc9) — 6/18/2020 @ 2:53 pmThe state is facing a severe budget shortfall due to the virus, so confiscating the homes, cars, financial assets, etc of violators seems like a good idea too.
Dave (1bb933) — 6/18/2020 @ 2:57 pmHey, They have a huge budget shortfall to make up! Even a minute fine (possibly paid on the spot) would add up pretty quickly.
felipe (023cc9) — 6/18/2020 @ 3:00 pmHeh, it would help alert “upstanding” citizens to the presence of a LEO by the sound of jingling change.
Dave, you read my mind.
felipe (023cc9) — 6/18/2020 @ 3:01 pmWell, it’s just common sense isn’t it?
Dave (1bb933) — 6/18/2020 @ 3:03 pmThe police had better have their guns at the ready.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 6/18/2020 @ 3:45 pmIt appears LA County had better remain in lockdown for the foreseeable future…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/18/2020 @ 3:56 pmOT… some good news is that the feds have begun a thorough national investigation to determine which academics in our nation’s colleges and universities have colluded with the CCP and provided them access to technology and research in exchange for financial gain.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/18/2020 @ 4:03 pmEvery country has a state/region that does everything the wrong way.
DRJ (aede82) — 6/18/2020 @ 4:10 pmBe careful in assuming masks really work. I had to read all of the extant guidance from OSHA, CDC, WHO and others during the early pandemic days to figure out my companies policies. I also had input from my business partners two emergency room MD son’s. All agreed that healthy people not working in high risk areas should not wear masks.
The studies that have popped up have all been comparing statistics from tests to assumptions in epidemiology models in determining the net benefits. Masks are mandated as a way to appear to take real action without further destroying the economy. The social disapproval for non-mask wearers is a political impact. It has a real effect on peoples willingness to cooperate with other more effective restrictions.
I hear this a lot from store owners and others that they wish this had not been politicized. They also almost all wonder what it was all about since even in hot spot Connecticut the infection rate is low in most places. The state appears to just make stuff up every day and this had greatly diminished public confidence in “experts”.
DirtyJobsGuy (08569b) — 6/18/2020 @ 4:13 pmthere’s literally nothing wrong with catching covid and being sick for a little while
people are so dramatic
happyfeet (3f4dc1) — 6/18/2020 @ 4:17 pmhappyfeet, when did you come back?
DRJ (aede82) — 6/18/2020 @ 4:29 pm6. If wishes were fishes… 😉
Gryph (08c844) — 6/18/2020 @ 4:31 pmBeen wearing a mask in public since the lockdown. When I grocery shop I wear a mask and surgical gloves which are tossed as I leave the store and return the cart to the cleaning station.
I helped an elderly neighbor chose a new car at a sales lot in late May and I was the only person in sight wearing a mask. The only people I saw wearing a mask that trip were the employees at In & Out when we stopped for her to eat.
Not wearing a mask seems wrong whether you’re buying groceries or protesting.
Not maintaining social distance no matter what you’re doing seems wrong too.
I can certainly understand some thinking it’s not effective after the bizarre double standard of the past few weeks but I guess politics are more important than public consciousness.
The worst offenders of all are the health professionals who deemed protesting more important than masks and distancing, tell that to the virus oh masters of science.
harkin (9c4571) — 6/18/2020 @ 4:43 pm_
“ Every country has a state/region that does everything the wrong way.”
We call ours the District Of Columbia.
harkin (9c4571) — 6/18/2020 @ 4:44 pm_
So are the 120,000+ dead people just playing along with Fauci’s sleight of hand?
Dave (1bb933) — 6/18/2020 @ 4:56 pm25. To put that into perspective, ~8000 Americans die daily of things that aren’t CoViD-19, which means that 120,000 people represent approximately two-and-a-half weeks worth of death from all other causes combined. Whether that sort of number is accurate is certainly debatable, but assuming it is, I still don’t find it to be worth national economic suicide. As always, YMMV.
Gryph (08c844) — 6/18/2020 @ 4:59 pmThat’s 120,000 people so far with the all the coronavirus precautions. Without the precautions, the whole country would be a New York nursing home.
nk (1d9030) — 6/18/2020 @ 5:07 pmAh, forget it! Just like democracy, the Greeks invented medicine for intelligent and socially responsible people.
nk (1d9030) — 6/18/2020 @ 5:09 pmLA County, or at least the part where I am (kind of around Burbank) seems to be slowly unlocking itself, as it were. Everyone wears masks in stores, but people are largely maskless if they’re just walking down the street. That was me earlier today — no mask until I was about a block away from Trader Joe’s, then put it on. Formerly closed restaurants are now reopening with outdoor seating on the sidewalk or in the back, and the palpable frenzy that was present in stores a while back has been gone for weeks. A couple of popular neighborhood bars had customers both inside and outside. The mood seems to be that people are still taking the virus seriously, if they’re inside a store or restaurant, because no one really knows for sure if the threat is over, but if it’s sunny and in the 70s or 80s no one pays attention to it when outdoors. Life isn’t back to normal yet, but at this rate it will be close to that by July.
RL formerly in Glendale (40f5aa) — 6/18/2020 @ 5:16 pm“ That’s 120,000 people so far with the all the coronavirus precautions. Without the precautions, the whole country would be a New York nursing home.”
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Over 33,000 in NY alone.
And the Governor who forced the nursing homes to accept infected residents was interviewed yesterday, told he was the ‘Homecoming King’ of the Democratic Party and was not asked a single question about the nursing home deaths.
Janice Dean✔
@JaniceDean
I just watched the @GMA interview with @NYGovCuomo again to see if I missed the part where @arobach asked him about his deadly policy of allowing Covid patients into nursing homes. And she never asked about it. Instead she asked if he liked being called the Luv Guv.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/18/zero-questions-about-janice-dean-shreds-gma-for-biggest-softball-interview-ever-with-ny-gov-andrew-cuomo/
harkin (9c4571) — 6/18/2020 @ 5:23 pm_
I’ve linked the studies re mask wearing in the post now.
Dana (25e0dc) — 6/18/2020 @ 5:29 pmhappyfeet,
It’s great to see you back. I may sometimes disagree with you, but your style is undeniably entertaining.
norcal (a5428a) — 6/18/2020 @ 5:33 pmThe weather has been sublime in So Cal, and it’s been great to spend most of the time outdoors. We walk and hike without masks, and if we bump into someone on the trail, we go to the far side and let them pass, or vice-versa. Same with biking. I haven’t been to the beach yet, but from what I hear, it’s not a problem there either. Outdoors is way different than being indoors in a limited space with other people.
A man, described as a “conservative activist” was kicked off his flight from NY to Dallas for refusing to wear a mask:
He recorded his push-back against the directive:
Dana (25e0dc) — 6/18/2020 @ 5:37 pmHe recorded his push-back against the directive:
“You’re asking me to do something that’s not a law,” Straka tells the flight attendant, who responds that it is the “procedure American Airlines follows.”
It’s also not a law that men wear shirts (as far as I know), but if I want to go inside certain stores I have to abide by their rules.
norcal (a5428a) — 6/18/2020 @ 5:44 pmRIP – Vera Lynn
She was 103
Kubrick added her for atmosphere.
https://youtu.be/wxrWz9XVvls
harkin (9c4571) — 6/18/2020 @ 6:16 pm_
Also hauntingly honored in Pink Floyd’s The Wall:
Does anybody here remember
Vera Lynn?
Remember how she said that
We would meet again
Some sunny day?
Vera! Vera!
Dave (1bb933) — 6/18/2020 @ 6:43 pmWhat has become of you?
Does anybody else in here
Feel the way I do?
A GOP sheriff vowed not to enforce Arizona’s coronavirus restrictions. Now he’s tested positive.
As the rest of Arizona followed a stay-at-home order imposed by the governor in May, Pinal County Sheriff Mark Lamb proclaimed that the state’s attempt to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus was unconstitutional.
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….. “ Three hundred deaths is not a significant enough number to continue to ruin the economy.”
……. Lamb announced he had tested positive for the coronavirus before a scheduled meeting with President Trump.
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The sheriff, who is asymptomatic, said he believes he got infected during a campaign event on Saturday, speculating it was “likely I came into contact with an infected individual.”
A video of a campaign event in San Tan Valley, Ariz., over the weekend showed Lamb, who is running unopposed in November, hugging, shaking hands and taking pictures with supporters. The video shows no one in the large crowd of people appears to be wearing a mask or maintaining social distancing. …..
Rip Murdock (212cb2) — 6/18/2020 @ 7:47 pm……..
…….Since June 11, there have been nearly 9,700 new cases of the coronavirus in Arizona, an increase of 31 percent, according to an analysis by The Washington Post. In total, the state has had almost 41,000 confirmed cases and at least 1,239 deaths.
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Are CA residents so irresponsible that they need the government to mandate mask wearing?
frosty (f27e97) — 6/18/2020 @ 8:02 pmAre CA residents so irresponsible that they need the government to mandate mask wearing?
Rip Murdock (212cb2) — 6/18/2020 @ 8:09 pmApparently.
If the governor can mandate masks to prevent the spread of covid can he mandate the wearing of condoms to prevent the spread of STDs? Can he mandate wearing burkas to prevent skin cancer.
I’m impressed that CA is so progressive that mandating something like this can be done without new legislation. Did anyone know the governor had the power to do that prior this situation?
frosty (f27e97) — 6/18/2020 @ 8:13 pmThere comes a point where “emergency powers” are just “powers.” How and why can the governor rule by decree? If he can do so for a limited time, what sets this time apart from another?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/18/2020 @ 8:33 pmBetter to protect the police, and responsible members of the public, by simply shooting those without a mask on sight.
Heck, why not just shoot anyone who tests positive? Cut the infection at the source. They probably got it by not wearing a mask.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/18/2020 @ 8:36 pmThe state is facing a severe budget shortfall due to the virus, so confiscating the homes, cars, financial assets, etc of violators seems like a good idea too.
How about collecting up the assets of all state employees and dividing them up equitably?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/18/2020 @ 8:37 pmEvery country has a state/region that does everything the wrong way.
Despite everyone from the government who’s there to help.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/18/2020 @ 8:38 pmthere’s literally nothing wrong with catching covid and being sick for a little while
you first.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/18/2020 @ 8:38 pmAt this rate I’m expecting the brown shirts to show up in a week or so. I really hope they pick a better color this time.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/18/2020 @ 9:25 pm@43-
Rip Murdock (212cb2) — 6/18/2020 @ 9:33 pmThey’re wearing Hawaiian shirts now.
Rip Murdock (212cb2) — 6/18/2020 @ 9:33 pm
Do they also get to live on fancy estate and drive a Ferrari?
frosty (f27e97) — 6/18/2020 @ 9:42 pmThis order may have unintended consequences if it is enforced, e.g., adding new people to the list of those who hate the police.
norcal (a5428a) — 6/18/2020 @ 9:47 pmCalf is a one-party state that will do anything the D Governor or D legislature wants. Its full of immigrants and the Sainted “Sons of immigrants” and has no viable Republican Party. Maybe the losertarians will squawk a little, but its just kabuki theater and means nothing.
rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:04 amDana,
FYI a couple of typos. The first (if I can help) is utterly inconsequential. The second (spread/reduce), if such things bother you is one you may want to clean up.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:23 am>can he mandate the wearing of condoms to prevent the spread of STDs
adult film actors are required to wear condoms for exactly this reason.
aphrael (7962af) — 6/19/2020 @ 12:16 pmI wear a mask in public because (a) it is impossible for me to know if I am infectious because I’d be infectious before I showed symptoms and could be infectious before a PCR test result showed me testing positive, and (b) while a mask won’t stop all viral particles, it’ll stop most of the droplets on which particles ride, and so wearing a mask dramatically reduces the risk that, if infectious, I would infect someone else.
As a corollary to this, I look at people who refuse to wear masks in public, view them as being unwilling to subject themselves to a minor inconvenience in order to reduce the risk that they might infect (and potentially kill) someone, and conclude that they are selfish assholes with whom I do not wish to associate and with whom I would prefer not to do business.
aphrael (7962af) — 6/19/2020 @ 12:20 pmaphrael (7962af) — 6/19/2020 @ 12:20 pm
If you are in CA you don’t wear a mask for any of those reasons. CA residents can pretend they do if it makes them feel better. But CA residents wear masks because it’s mandated by the state.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/19/2020 @ 12:35 pmAfter a lunch of carne asada tacos a week ago this last Tuesday in Winnemucca, Nevada, I feel I must suggest that Nevadans insist on wearing masks 24x7x365. For their own good.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/19/2020 @ 12:42 pmFurthermore, Frosty, if what you say at #52 is true, then it’s equally true that the only reason you don’t murder people in their sleep is because doing so is prohibited by the state.
aphrael (7962af) — 6/19/2020 @ 12:42 pm@35 he was asymptomatic, which just further confirms he was right not to enforce the order. Just another virus, not a reason for stopping the economy. The more asymptomatic the better.
Very Surprised (096a6c) — 6/19/2020 @ 12:49 pmI don’t wear mask in public, primarily, because there is not one good reason for it. Death rate is low, people know how to reduce risk if they are afraid of it.
Very Surprised (096a6c) — 6/19/2020 @ 12:53 pmaphrael (7962af) — 6/19/2020 @ 12:42 pm
Not exactly, if what [I] say at #52 is true, then it’s equally true that the only reason you don’t murder people in their sleep is that doing so will be punished by the state.
It sounds like you might be unfamiliar with the Hobbesian social contract theory. It seems to be the direction CA is going so you might want to brush up.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/19/2020 @ 1:10 pmfrosty, I believe the overwhelming majority of people don’t murder each other because they believe murdering each other is wrong, and the state’s prohibition on murder only acts as a deterrent in a tiny minority of cases.
but regardless — you have asserted that i am wrong when i say I do not do [x] because [y], that in fact i’m not doing [x] because [z].
based on that, i think it’s entirely appropriate to assert that YOU PERSONALLY would murder everyone around you if the state didn’t prohibit it. it’s structurally the same allegation.
aphrael (7962af) — 6/19/2020 @ 1:24 pm25. Well that’s just great then. If we managed to keep the numbers down to 120,000 with the precations other people did take, it didn’t cost me a damn thing! 😀
26. You just said that the precautions helped. So did I or did I not harm people by refusing to wear a mask?
Gryph (08c844) — 6/19/2020 @ 1:41 pmaphrael (7962af) — 6/19/2020 @ 1:24 pm
You are free to make whatever assertion you want. You misunderstand my statement and went for the ad hominem attack in almost record time.
You’re also making an error in your analogy. Murdering someone in their sleep on purpose is not equivalent to not wearing a mask. Not wearing a mask increases the chance of passing a virus that has a small probability of killing someone (at least that’s what we’re being told now). You might be closer if you were talking about going around intentionally coughing on people after you found out you were positive. But this is confusing malum in se with malum prohibitum. I agree that people should wear masks but it’s ridiculous to the point of absurdity to compare not wearing one with intentionally murdering someone in their sleep.
If the state mandates that you wear a mask it’s immaterial whether you would have done it anyway. And you don’t get to say this sort of mandate by the government is fine because you would have done it either way.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/19/2020 @ 1:55 pmgoddam it! … if you have a need to murder someone, move to teh Windy City.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/19/2020 @ 1:58 pmaphrael (7962af) — 6/19/2020 @ 1:24 pm
You’re also making a simple technical mistake. I said CA residents. You may be a CA resident but I’m not. So, I don’t think it’s correct to reformulate my statement like you did. I don’t know where you live and if you told me I’d forget it because I don’t want to know.
A more correct formulation would be:
and
This is still a misstatement of my comment but that’s a different issue. I don’t have an opinion either way on your assertion. As I said, you are free to assert whatever you want.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/19/2020 @ 2:04 pmFrosty @46-
Rip Murdock (212cb2) — 6/19/2020 @ 2:10 pmNo, but they ambush and kill cops.
Rip Murdock (212cb2) — 6/19/2020 @ 2:10 pm
That needs to be stopped.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/19/2020 @ 2:37 pmThat’s what happens when the reboot features a Latino Magnum.
urbanleftbehind (509313) — 6/19/2020 @ 2:57 pmMr Polloi wrote:
I think that only applies if the offender is a Person of Paleness, and possibly only if he is wearing a MAGA hat.
The Dana in Kentucky (83b53f) — 6/19/2020 @ 3:01 pmaphrael wrote:
And that is absolutely your right, to take private action.
The Dana in Kentucky (83b53f) — 6/19/2020 @ 3:08 pmMr Snowman wrote:
Actually, that’s what a lot of people are doing; they don’t see it as an imposition on their freedoms and rights because they were doing so voluntarily.
This is what we are missing in this country: people willing to stand up for their rights even if in their personal choices they go along with authoritarian mandates.
The Dana in Kentucky (83b53f) — 6/19/2020 @ 3:13 pm68. But I’m a bad person because I don’t wish to be part of the herd of sheeple. SMDH
Gryph (08c844) — 6/19/2020 @ 3:17 pmGryph wrote:
That’s the conundrum: you might wish to protest the authoritarian dictates, but the only way to do that is to decline to wear the mask. But if you believe that wearing the mask is a good idea, you wind up choosing: follow what you believe is a good idea, and be seen as one of the sheeple, or not wear one, because you are protesting the order, and violate your own ideas about what is a good idea.
The Dana in Kentucky (83b53f) — 6/19/2020 @ 4:47 pmthen it’s equally true that the only reason you don’t murder people in their sleep is because doing so is prohibited by the state.
Well, some people, yeah.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/19/2020 @ 4:52 pmDeath rate is low, people know how to reduce risk if they are afraid of it.
Shoot people without masks?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/19/2020 @ 4:53 pm@70
Very well put, Dana. It’s too bad everything has to be a political statement.
norcal (a5428a) — 6/19/2020 @ 5:04 pmActually, that’s what a lot of people are doing; they don’t see it as an imposition on their freedoms and rights because they were doing so voluntarily.
And they understand that the government is not taking away their freedom or doing something government should not be doing.
If you disagree with this, please explain how it is different from traffic signals and stop signs. Which are backed by punishments far stiffer than anything imposed for not wearing masks.
Kishnevi (03cc8c) — 6/19/2020 @ 5:18 pmMr M wrote:
Were murder not illegal, I’m sure an [insert slang term for the rectum here] like me would never have made it to thirty. And there are a few people on whom I might have taken my anger out differently.
The Dana in Kentucky (83b53f) — 6/19/2020 @ 5:22 pmMr nevi wrote:
Yet they’ve been told, time and again, that other people see it as a violation of their rights. The government should be suggesting preventative measures; it should not have the power to impose them.
Traffic signals and stop signs are self-enforcing: people obey them because they don’t want to get broadsided. A more apt comparison would be speed
suggestionslimits, which are frequently honored in the breach.I royally pissed off a PennDOT inspector when I told him how speed limits were determined. I told him that when a new road was completed, PennDOT sent out a crew of two men, with one instructed to drive the comfortable speed for the road, and the other to monitor and record the speed. They’d then take the information back, the state would average the speeds, subtract fifteen, and that would be the set speed limit.
Bob sputtered in righteous indignation, “That’s not how it’s done!” but what I described would explain most of the speed limits in the Keystone State.
The Dana in Kentucky (83b53f) — 6/19/2020 @ 5:30 pmaphrael (7962af) — 6/19/2020 @ 12:16 pm
I missed this one. Are all the residents of CA adult film stars? But, oh, wait,
I’m having trouble finding anything about the governor mandating that all film stars, much less all residents, wear condoms. The above quote was from 2018. I’d be happy to see anything that says this is changed. I’m also having trouble finding anything about the voters in CA voting on a proposition to have everyone wear a mask.
You should wear a mask to reduce the spread of covid. The governor of CA is also an idiot and CA residents shouldn’t put up with it.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/19/2020 @ 5:31 pmKishnevi (03cc8c) — 6/19/2020 @ 5:18 pm
This is totally wrong. This is the same argument as I don’t care about government wiretapping because I don’t have anything to hide. Or I don’t care about limits on the 1st because I wouldn’t have said/worn/associated with that anyway. Or I don’t care about limits on the 2nd because I don’t need to defend myself.
The same logic that covers mandated mask wearing can be used to cover a lot of things you may not anticipate. I hope you didn’t have plans for your master bedroom or kitchen because some of the people doing mask patrol might need a place to be quartered.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/19/2020 @ 5:45 pmWhat does this mean? What does recreating mean?
Along with Parkinson’s I have respiratory problems and I’ve been told not to wear a mask. Even though it’s difficult for me to breathe I choose to wear a mask.
If I have to take my mask off briefly to breathe would you consider me a “selfish asshole”? I am on Social Security and a small pension and using Instacart ads $40-$50 to my grocery bill. That’s not something I can really afford. So if I am in a store, socially distancing, and have to take my mask off briefly to get a breath am I
I am on Social Security and a small pension and using Instacart adds $40-$50 to my grocery bill. That’s not something I can really afford. So if I am in a store, socially distancing, and have to take my mask off briefly to get a breath am I a “selfish asshole”? What if I’m walking down the street?
Because I choose to wear a mask and have respiratory problems that means that I am forced to isolate at home more often than other people in the Los Angeles area. I actually live in North Hollywood. Isolation has its own problems that may be worse than the virus.
I believe that the number of new cases is irrelevant because you can’t test everybody and each test is only valid for that specific point in time. You could take a test that says your negative and yet five minutes after you take the test get the virus. What if you test positive and like 81% of the people who have the coronavirus are asymptomatic? I think the more appropriate numbers we should be looking at are hospitalizations and deaths. Are they going up?
Finally Dr Birx says the number of deaths by COVID-19 are at least 25% too high. In Washington state a man was killed by gun shot, yet because he tested positive for COVID-19 he was listed as a COVID-19 death. I don’t believe the numbers are to be trusted.
Tanny O'Haley (8a06bc) — 6/19/2020 @ 5:59 pmThe more people we have who don’t take coronavirus precautions, the fewer people we will have who don’t take coronavirus precaustions. It might even contribute to herd immunity.
Just keep it within your own families and communities and don’t bring it to ours; and when you come down sick just die quietly at home and don’t go using up our medical resources.
nk (1d9030) — 6/19/2020 @ 6:11 pmI think the more appropriate numbers we should be looking at are hospitalizations and deaths. Are they going up?
I agree, Tanny. That would have the added benefit of acting as a reality check, and (I think) lessen the panic the media is hellbent on cultivating and spreading.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:13 pmTanny O’Haley @79-
Finally Dr Birx says the number of deaths by COVID-19 are at least 25% too high.
Do have a source for that statement?
Is the Coronavirus Death Tally Inflated? Here’s Why Experts Say No
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……[P]ublic health experts say the method used to count deaths from a disease like Covid-19 is decades-old and some amount of uncertainty is simply part of the process.
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States rely on two systems in partnership with the C.D.C. In one system, called disease surveillance, public health staff members and health care workers track the outcomes of people with Covid-19 infections, producing a quick but imperfect public number. In the other system, doctors and coroners submit death certificates to vital records offices, which work with the C.D.C. to tally Covid-19 deaths to create the country’s official death toll from the disease.
Here’s how Washington, the first state to announce Covid-19 deaths, reconciles these two systems to better understand Covid-19’s toll. ……..
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Many more death certificates show Covid-19 as a cause of death but do not match up to positive coronavirus cases found through disease surveillance. If a person dies from Covid-19 without a lab test, that is a probable death. The C.D.C. has said probable deaths are a standard part of the counting process.
The president and conservative news media have accused states of inflating their counts, even as public health experts have said that undercounting is more likely. …….
Rip Murdock (212cb2) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:20 pm…….
“ If we only counted lab-confirmed deaths, we all agree that we will undercount the number of individuals that have died,” said Janet Hamilton, the executive director of the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists, a group that helps the C.D.C. define cases and deaths from disease.
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Dr. Birx is valued for her expertise… until she goes off-script and does not feed the narrative. These people will employ everything but the kitchen sink to defeat the guy they hate. They fool no one.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:28 pmhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=akgd2xGxnpA
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:31 pmI thought the CDC reduced the fatality rate into the range of the flu around .02%? And about half of those deaths are those that were going to die within the next year? Have those numbers changed or are we just falling for a new State of Fear that Michael Crichton warned us about?
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:32 pmI have a sister, niece and nephew who are just fine after having the virus. You’ve really become a nasty piece of work lately. What is wrong with you?
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:34 pmI’m sick of suffering fools gladly.
nk (1d9030) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:35 pmBirx and Fauci reject Fox News-promoted theory that coronavirus deaths are inflated
Rip Murdock (212cb2) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:36 pmhttps://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-coronavirus-updates-unique-covid-19-strain-in-chicago-u-of-i-classes/2292273/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:39 pmNk,
then take a time out. If you cannot talk civilly to people anymore, what are you doing? Emoting? Using base anger? Rioting? Acting out?
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:39 pmYou’re the only who’s complaining. Who put you in charge of my comments?
nk (1d9030) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:41 pm88… watch 84.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:46 pmnk (1d9030) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:41 pm
He’s probably the only one who thought it might work. It sounds like he was overly optimistic.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:48 pmNo one nk. Just commenting on such a drastic change that it’s concerning. You used to explain your positions and reason through them. You’ve stopped and just expressed anger and outrage all the time. It’s a mob mentality.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:49 pmI’m going to sleep early. Have a good night. May tomorrow be a better day for all.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:50 pmHe’s probably the only one who thought it might work. It sounds like he was overly optimistic.
And there I thought you’d like me and vote for me for President because I fight.
nk (1d9030) — 6/19/2020 @ 7:56 pmI believe comrade nk mentioned that people close to him (medical professionals) are in the trenches risking their own lives to care for people with the virus.
Everyone too lazy, arrogant or stupid to take common-sense precautions against infecting themselves and others is recklessly endangering us all – and especially the doctors and nurses whose job is to take care of those who in many cases refused to take care of themselves.
Dave (1bb933) — 6/19/2020 @ 8:11 pm70. That’s just it; I think at worst, wearing a mask is counterproductive. At best, the reasons for and benefits of wearing a mask are grossly inflated. I’m not one of the guys who’s going to get in people’s faces and try to shame them for disagreeing with me, but I’ve made it quite clear in this forum and others that the faster businesses in my immediate vicinity get back to normal, the sooner they will get my business.
Gryph (08c844) — 6/19/2020 @ 8:24 pmHmm, what nice thing can I say about this?
It’s a creative writing challenge.
nk (1d9030) — 6/19/2020 @ 8:25 pmnk,
That NYT article just begs the question: Can a U.S. Attorney stay in office if the Attorney General orders him to leave?
norcal (a5428a) — 6/19/2020 @ 8:40 pmThe Law and Order President can just fire him, no?
Dave (1bb933) — 6/19/2020 @ 8:48 pmNo. The AG can fire them. U.S. Attorneys may be individually appointed by the President, but they are not independent offices like local States/District Attorneys. They are under the DOJ, which is under the AG.
nk (1d9030) — 6/19/2020 @ 8:48 pmThe “No” was to norcal. Yes, the President can fire them, too, but it usually goes through channels, like Barr or whatever DAG.
nk (1d9030) — 6/19/2020 @ 8:51 pm“I have a sister, niece and nephew who are just fine after having the virus. ”
I’m sure this is a great comfort to the families of the 120,000+ people who have died so far.
Davethulhu (9921df) — 6/19/2020 @ 8:53 pmOk, Patterico now has a post up which says that Berman cannot be fired until the Senate confirms his replacement.
nk (1d9030) — 6/19/2020 @ 8:57 pmWell then isn’t that what Barr just did?
Dave (1bb933) — 6/19/2020 @ 8:57 pm