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6/9/2020

Cancel Culture Goes Off the Rails

Filed under: General — JVW @ 2:33 pm



[guest post by JVW]

We’ve seen time and again the effect that cancel culture — the idea that people who say or do something that falls short of the diktats of modern wokedness ought to lose their jobs and be ostracized from society — has had upon our society ever since it oozed down hill from college campuses to infect the entire body politic. Heretofore, we have largely limited the punishment to those who have done the wrong themselves, avoiding the guilt-by-association trap so popular with totalitarian societies everywhere. But according to National Review, it’s a new day for the crybullies:

If things weren’t already chaotic enough, Serbian soccer player Aleksandar Katai was released from the Los Angeles Galaxy last Friday following a day of indignant protests by fans outside Dignity Health Sports Park. What was Katai’s great offense? Being married to Tea Katai, who made Instagram posts comparing police-brutality protestors to cattle, called for violent action against them (“shoot the s***s”), and captioned an image of a supposed looter carrying off a pair of sneakers with “Black Nikes Matter.” Days before releasing Katai, the LA Galaxy had requested the removal of his wife’s posts and had made a statement condemning “racism of any kind, including that which suggests violence or seeks to demean the efforts of those in pursuit of social equity.” Mrs. Katai subsequently took down the posts, and Mr. Katai issued a personal apology in which he rebuked his wife’s insensitivity. But these actions were not enough; Katai was still booted for his wife’s transgression.

Yes, yes, I know: to many soccer is a “sissy sport” that is “boring” and “pointless” with low-scoring games and plenty of players writhing around on the field in imaginary agony at the slightest foul. Let’s not turn this discussion into a recitation of how no real American patriot could possibly support a sport beloved and dominated by nearly every nation that got its ass kicked in the Second World War. The point here is that the wokedy-woke are now happy to demand that you pay for the sins of your family, which beyond being completely counter to what had once been part of our shared notions of justice is a really bad idea for a movement whose adherents have their own problems with inflammatory rhetoric coming from family members.

– JVW

76 Responses to “Cancel Culture Goes Off the Rails”

  1. The lunatics are running the asylum.

    P.S. Another police station in Seattle was under attack and now abandoned. Its a no go zone now for police and being run by antifa and other anarchists.

    Have fun.

    NJRob (f22bea)

  2. A good thing about cancel culture is that it helps everyone get an idea of what everyone is thinking. At this rate no one will be surprised at all by the 2020 election. I also expect actors and celebrities I idolize to share my opinion on every subject otherwise my entire emotional framework crumbles. Bullies are cool.

    frosty (f27e97)

  3. Someone I was watching the other day made an interesting (to me at least) generational observation. One of the things the Boomers and the Millenials have in common is that they are Very Invested in making people believe what they believe (whatever opinion that is) while genX, as a generation, has been very much “yo, dude, you do you, but don’t try to push it on anyone else.” I don’t think it was a bad observation.

    (If you want to see people playing hard-core soccer without the silliness, watch the women.)

    Nic (896fdf)

  4. Let’s not turn this discussion into a recitation of how no real American patriot could possibly support a sport beloved and dominated by nearly every nation that got its ass kicked in the Second World War.

    You’re no fun at all.

    Dave (1bb933)

  5. If you want to see people playing hard-core soccer without the silliness, watch the women.

    I’ve always always felt the same way – also about tennis – and not just because the opposite sex is more pleasing to the eye.

    In both cases, I think the size of the playing area is better matched to what the women’s bodies are capable of.

    Men’s soccer and tennis both need larger arenas in this era when athletes’ strength and speed are so much greater than when the sports were originally invented.

    I have many other ideas for how to make men’s soccer watchable, but sadly I have been marginalized and silenced by JVW’s diktats

    Dave (1bb933)

  6. One must know the environment in which you roam.

    mg (8cbc69)

  7. “ Yes, yes, I know: to many soccer is a “sissy sport” that is “boring” and “pointless” with low-scoring games and plenty of players writhing around on the field in imaginary agony at the slightest foul. Let’s not turn this discussion into a recitation of how no real American patriot could possibly support a sport beloved and dominated by nearly every nation that got its ass kicked in the Second World War.”
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    This is awesome.
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    harkin (9c4571)

  8. This instance is not a question of soccer as a sport, it’s a question of soccer as a business, with a Los Angeles customer base to boot. Mrs. Katai’s comments could have cut into the bottom line.

    nk (1d9030)

  9. @1 IDK how true this might still be or how long ago it might have changed (Paul might have some insights, I haven’t live in Seattle in almost 20 yrs), but if you want some history on Cap hill, there were significant parts of at least the 90s when there was basically no police presence on Cap hill. Policing was mostly done by a vigilante group that walked Broadway and a couple of other main thoroughfares, so I don’t know that this would be a particularly odd situation for most of the businesses in the area.

    Nic (896fdf)

  10. “ (If you want to see people playing hard-core soccer without the silliness, watch the women.)”

    If you want to see hard-core get pwned into soft-core, watch them play the under-15 boys team.

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    harkin (9c4571)

  11. New Jersey lifts stay-at-home order as Murphy approves outdoor protests, religious gatherings
    New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy on Tuesday lifted restrictions for outdoor protests and religious events, days after violating his own social distancing guidelines by attending two protests inspired by the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis police custody.

    The governor also announced during his daily briefing in Trenton that he is lifting his March 21 stay-at-home order, a largely symbolic move as the state has gradually loosened restrictions since the number of Covid-19 cases peaked in New Jersey in April.

    Limits on outdoor gatherings that are not protests or religious services will likely be increased to 250 by June 22, Murphy said, and to 500 by July 3 — just in time for outdoor graduation ceremonies, which can begin July 6. Outdoor recreational businesses, except for amusement parks, water parks and arcades, will also be allowed to reopen.
    ……

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4)

  12. Texas reports two consecutive days of record coronavirus hospitalizations weeks after reopening
    …….
    There are currently 2,056 patients sickened with Covid-19 in hospitals across the state as of early Tuesday afternoon, up from a record 1,935 patients Monday, according to updated data from the Texas Department of State Health Services.
    ……
    Texas was among the first states to relax its statewide stay-at-home order, allowing it to expire April 30 and some businesses to resume operations May 1. On June 3, Gov. Greg Abbott issued an executive order to announce the third phase of the state’s plan to open additional businesses and activities.
    …..
    Coronavirus cases in the United States have been slowly ticking up since the Memorial Day holiday, according to a CNBC analysis of data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The coronavirus has now infected nearly 2 million people in the U.S. and has killed at least 111,014, according to Hopkins data.

    Public health specialists warn that a slow burn of infection through the summer could lead to a massive resurgence this fall.
    ……
    Entirely predictable.

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4)

  13. @10 Speed and power and size count. It’s why wrestling and boxing have weight classes. You want to go tell the boxing featherweight champion that he’s a worse boxer than the heavyweight champion?

    FWIW, the four times my competitive under 15 team played the girl’s varsity HS team, we lost.

    Nic (896fdf)

  14. I’m unclear on the rules. They seem to always be in a sate of flux: Are we are we not responsible for our spouses or children’s comments/tweets? I was repeatedly told that Hillary wasn’t responsible for Bill’s inappropriate behavior and lies, so which is it?

    Dana (0feb77)

  15. can’t sell advertisement with a 1/2 hour half followed by another nil – nil half.

    mg (8cbc69)

  16. Nic (896fdf) — 6/9/2020 @ 3:40 pm

    I agree Nic, but the East Precinct covers the Central District north of I-90, and there’re some high-crime areas south of E Madison. I don’t see anything good coming from Durkan’s decision to abandon the precinct. It’s bad optics, capitulating to the mob like that, akin to how Mayor Schell handled–er, mishandled–the WTO riots.

    Paul Montagu (567b83)

  17. If you want to see hard-core get pwned into soft-core, watch them play the under-15 boys team.

    Fake news. It was scrimmage, not a game. If it were true, then the boys would sought after players.
    Haven’t heard of any signing multi-million dollar contracts. Why aren’t they on the pathetic men’s team?

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4)

  18. ‘I am viewed not as a child but as a color’: Black teen spit on by white woman at protest speaks out

    A Milwaukee-area school district is calling on prosecutors to file hate crime charges after a white woman spat on a black teenager during a peaceful Black Lives Matter demonstration in Shorewood, Wis., during the weekend.

    The woman, 64-year-old probate lawyer Stephanie Rapkin, interrupted the protest on Saturday when she parked her car in the middle of the street, apparently to go to a store, blocking the marchers’ path, video shows.
    …..
    Eric Lucas, a 17-year-old black high school student who helped organize the demonstration, was among the protesters who closed in on Rapkin, joining them in chanting at her as she apparently continued refusing their demands to move her car.

    Just as he approached her, Rapkin spit on him, video shows.
    ….
    Rapkin has been arrested on charges of battery and disorderly conduct — and faces a professional misconduct complaint as a lawyer — over the spitting incident as well as her behavior in the aftermath. On Monday, calling the incident an “appalling display of racial hatred,” Shorewood School District Superintendent Bryan Davis said he has asked the Milwaukee County District Attorney’s Office to file a hate-crime enhancement as well.
    …..
    Rapkin could not immediately be reached for comment late Monday night.

    Rapkin was arrested on Saturday for the spitting incident — and then again on Sunday, in an incident outside her home.

    In chalk on the sidewalk, a group of protesters wrote messages such as, “I spit on a child! How dare you!” Rapkin emerged to confront them.
    ……
    Rapkin then walked up to Friedman and shoved him, insisting she was only “explaining how it happened.”

    Shorewood police came to her residence to arrest her a second time, but she would not cooperate with officers, police said. She kneed one in the groin as they tried to arrest her, police said, leading to additional charges of battery of a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest.
    ……
    Get off of my lawn!

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4)

  19. I was repeatedly told that Hillary wasn’t responsible for Bill’s inappropriate behavior and lies, so which is it?

    My understanding from the various and sundry media outlets that are accepted in all the right places is that Donald Trump Jr.’s and Jared Kushner’s business dealings are a reflection upon President Trump, but James Biden’s and Hunter Biden’s business dealings have nothing at all to do with Joe Biden.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  20. This is awesome.

    Thanks harkin. I sometimes let loose with my inner P. J. O’Rourke.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  21. @15 Action is, of course, why baseball is so popular, and why we watch American Football instead of rugby. 😛

    @16 I thought the CD was better than it used to be. It was basically a no-go area when I was there.

    Nic (896fdf)

  22. This is only vaguely on the topic of cancel culture, but Romney has been pretty well canceled by Trump culture and has gotten more acceptance from liberals and Democrats. However, as Jonah mentioned, it would be nice if they apologized to Romney before praising him, starting with Harry Reid. The scorched earth politics of 2012 were that bad.

    “Romney didn’t win, did he?”
    That was former Senate Democratic majority leader Harry Reid’s response to whether he regretted lying about then-GOP presidential nominee — and now Utah senator — Mitt Romney.
    Reid accused Romney on the Senate floor in 2012, when he was running for president, of not having paid any taxes in four years. It was absolutely untrue and was discredited by Washington Post fact-checkers and others at the time. But that didn’t stop the onslaught of unfair and inaccurate accusations and innuendos.
    […]
    You remember 2012, right? That was the year of the last presidential election before Donald Trump’s victory. And the way liberals attacked Romney’s presidential campaign on opinion pages of newspapers, news broadcasts and in the media echo chamber of blue check-mark Twitter, has a lot to do with how the next election went — and how this one will go. Their treatment of Romney was an inflection point for many on the right.

    Becket Adams has a similar take.

    Paul Montagu (567b83)

  23. The CD is better than it was, Nic. Given the real estate prices, there’s been quite a bit of gentrifying, with developers taking advantage of comparatively low land prices so close to downtown, but quite a few rough spots remain. One drive down Rainier Ave will tell you that things have changed, but a lot is still the same.

    Paul Montagu (567b83)

  24. @23 I’m glad things have gone better, even if it’s not all the way cleaned up. I suppose every city has some places that aren’t ideal, though.

    Nic (896fdf)

  25. Do these cancel culture people ever stop to consider that, when they make a foot-in-mouth gaffe, or say something inappropriate, the same principles that they are now espousing will be used against them at the time? They don’t strike me as very bright people.

    Dana (0feb77)

  26. These are post-Tito Serbians. The previous generation would have known that sports are supposed to pacify the proles, not rile them up.

    Also, if they were Americans, they would have known that it’s all about the Benjamins. If Mr. Katai was bringing in enough money for the owners, his wife could have shot someone at Hollywood and Vine and they would have kept him. Or, at worst, sent him to the Dodgers farm team to fulfill his baseball passion for a season. See e.g. Michael Jordan.

    nk (1d9030)

  27. “Men’s soccer and tennis both need larger arenas in this era when athletes’ strength and speed are so much greater”

    I might add…to a degree….basketball….where everything has drifted out to the 3-point line….and inside play is no longer valued…and we have to pretend that we don’t see the traveling penalties. Despite modern equipment and rules changes, the speed and ferocity of football continues to grow…..where 260lb linebackers and 330lb linemen are the norm….and let’s face it…in time something will have to give. Women’s soccer is not flawless….still too many weak rollers to the goalie…..but the speed of the game is well suited to the field…..tennis too…..we don’t have 6’8″ giants serving at virtually unhittable speeds. There are actual rallies….and court coverage matters. Still, I can’t stand women’s basketball…I can appreciate the shooting….but there’s just not enough athleticism for me to find it interesting. I can’t wait for football…but I fear we are going to see more and more stars hanging it up after getting just beyond their rookie contract. Who wants to have a scrambled mind in his late forties and ache from head to toe? At some point it’s not winning…..

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca)

  28. Do these cancel culture people ever stop to consider that, when they make a foot-in-mouth gaffe, or say something inappropriate, the same principles that they are now espousing will be used against them at the time? They don’t strike me as very bright people.

    Dana (0feb77) — 6/9/2020 @ 5:46 pm

    No. They think they can change the rules to where they remain in charge. The rules don’t apply to them. Just look at Al Sharpton. Race baiter, incited a riot, spread lies constantly and still has politicians on the left beg for his approval and kneel to him.

    NJRob (f22bea)

  29. Regarding the nonsense of cancel culture: I try to listen and read sane people on both side of the aisle. On that note, I highly recommend a new podcast by two liberals, Jessie Singal and Katie Herzog called Blocked and Reported. The latest episode covers the Bari Weiss drama and other episodes have discussed these kinds of incidents and why they’re so dangerous. Both have written a lot about the perils of cancel culture. I especially like Singal’s willingness to challenge the logic, or rather illogic, of some beliefs that are slowly picking up steam in the Democratic party. From his newsletter:

    Left-wing identitarianism: If X and Y disagree on a social-justice subject, then whichever person has more marginalized identity characteristics relevant to the debate should be seen as the authority, regardless of the specifics of the argument in question. Whoever has fewer relevant marginalized identity characteristics should be deferential: s/he should sit back, listen, and learn rather than participate directly in the debate in question.

    I know this sounds like something Bill O’Reilly would make up, but if you look around in certain left-of-center spaces, you’ll see it everywhere. And it stems, again, from the belief that identity explains almost everything. The reason Y can’t chime in on an issue if she isn’t a member of a marginalized group is that only members of that group have access to certain insights and forms of knowledge.

    There’s obviously a kernel of truth to claims like “The average black person can understand and explain the feeling of being followed around a department stores in a way the average white person cannot.” That’s an important insight, and one of many good arguments for diversifying newsrooms, academia, and other institutions. Homogeneity can bring with it myopia, especially with regard to the concerns of groups with less societal power. This is from his newsletter:

    But left-wing identitarianism extends these eminently reasonable observations, which are more or less consensus progressive beliefs, and over-essentializes everything to the point where certain groups are seen as being more or less completely incapable of chiming in on certain issues, because they lack some essential identity characteristic.

    JohnnyAgreeable (1b878e)

  30. Dana (0feb77) — 6/9/2020 @ 5:46 pm

    It bites them all the time and it’s not just foot in mouth. Every so often old tweets or videos will resurface and torpedo someone. Jimmy Fallon got in trouble for an SNL skit from 20 years ago. I don’t care about Fallon or SNL but if you’re going to attack Fallon for that you’ve got to attack all of SNL. I think Robert Downey Jr has the right of it with the Tropic Thunder pushback.

    frosty (f27e97)

  31. https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1270570826585300994?s=20

    Just have some kids having fun in Seattle breaking into City Hall and making demands.

    Good times.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  32. CrossFit founder retires amid consumer demands for corporate action against racism
    CrossFit’s founder and CEO, Greg Glassman, announced his retirement Tuesday evening, following a multi-day firestorm over remarks he made that appeared to make light of the death of George Floyd.

    “On Saturday I created a rift in the CrossFit community and unintentionally hurt many of its members,” Glassman, 63, said in a statement released by the company. “I cannot let my behavior stand in the way of HQ’s or affiliates’ missions. They are too important to jeopardize.”

    Glassman was replying to a health research institute’s declaration on Twitter Saturday that “racism is a public health issue,” when he tweeted, “It’s FLOYD-19.”

    By Sunday, gyms across the country were dropping affiliations with the brand that cost them thousands of dollars annually; as of Tuesday evening, one informal count provided to The Washington Post put the number at well over 1,100. In addition, the athletic apparel company Reebok ended its corporate sponsorship and Rogue Fitness, a supplier of equipment, said it would remove the company logo from a 2020 event.
    ……..
    …….. CrossFit released a separate, lengthy statement in which it apologized for his “incredibly insensitive and hurtful” actions and said, “We failed catastrophically by not effectively communicating care for the Black community, all as the online world was watching and experiencing extreme pain.”
    ……

    Rip Murdock (a217ed)

  33. @32 Peaceful Protest (they didn’t break in, they were let in). Apparently they were there for an hour and sang songs and then left. According to various Seattle news people, they are back on cap hill watching a movie.

    Nic (896fdf)

  34. And Madame Defarge knitted on, planning the second act.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  35. Madilene murray the athiest faced the same type of harassment as well as the hollywood black list of alleged communists. And other leftists to numerous to mention. What goes around comes around, paybacks a bitch!

    asset (539f06)

  36. Compare and contrast liberals and their media:

    Coverage over a ranch

    Coverage over Seattle

    The USG deployed scads of federal law enforcement and snipers to the Bundy ranch. No one is doing anything about liberals taking over parts of Seattle. Police are even bugging out.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  37. JVW Wrote

    My understanding from the various and sundry media outlets that are accepted in all the right places is that Donald Trump Jr.’s and Jared Kushner’s business dealings are a reflection upon President Trump, but James Biden’s and Hunter Biden’s business dealings have nothing at all to do with Joe Biden.

    Do you really not see a difference between a family member trading on their father / brother’s name and high ranking government official (Kushner) maintaining control over a large business while working in the white house? Both are corrupt. But the later is more corrupt and it would be very easy for the President to address the situation by requiring a blind trust or removing Kushner from power.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  38. The Bundys took over federal grazing, park, and forestry land. The property of the United States of America and of the people thereof. Without paying just compensation to the United States of America and of the people thereof. Squatters and land-snatchers.

    What parts of Seattle are the liberals taking over?

    nk (1d9030)

  39. Da Trump boys work for daddy’s businesses. Does Hunter Biden?

    nk (1d9030)

  40. My granddaughter had to be taken to Childrens Hospital last night. Paramedics showed [friends I golf with] and I asked if they had a National Guard escort to Childrens and they said no. I reminded them that their effing union folded on letting them carry and said no problem we have you covered. Three vehicles with retired state police and decorated Veteran friends locked and loaded followed the ambulance all the way to Childrens. A few idiot white trash wannabe black people were seen but no incidents. I understand most of you think I’m a azzhole but family first and I cherish my friends.
    Stay safe. Be prepared.

    mg (8cbc69)

  41. What parts of Seattle are the liberals taking over?

    A six block area, including a Seattle police department station.

    But hey, those ranchers were grazing on empty federal land. Deploy snipers.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  42. I’m sorry to hear that about your granddaughter, mg. I wish her the best of care at Childrens and that she’s back home strong and healthy soon.

    nk (1d9030)

  43. What parts of Seattle are the liberals taking over?

    A six block area, including a Seattle police department station.

    But hey, those ranchers were grazing on empty federal land. Deploy snipers.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 6/10/2020 @ 5:51 am

    It’s strange that you look at this a discrimination against conservatives. From what I recall there was never any force used against the Bundys. They deployed force, but spent a lot of time and resolved it peacefully. I think that’s all to the good. But I don’t really see how you list this as a grievance for conservatives.

    Time123 (457a1d)

  44. Robert Stacey Stacy McCain noted:

    Bonfire of the Wokeness: Feminist Editor ‘Steps Down’ Amid Racism Accusations

    The situation at Refinery29 has many layers of rich, sweet irony. The site was started in 2005, and hoovered up more than $100 million in investment capital before being sold to Vice Media last year for a reported $400 million. Refinery29 was originally a fashion/lifestyle sort of site, but in 2015 decided to dive into politics and news — of course from an ultra-“woke” left-wing intersectional feminist angle.

    The person presiding over this was editor-in-chief Christene Barberich, who decided that hiring a lot of “women of color” (WOCs) would convey sufficient wokeness, but amid the #BlackLivesMatter furor, a former black staffer at Refinery29 decided to “spill the tea,” as the kids say, about her experiences working at the publication. Using the hashtag #BlackAtR29, several other ex-staffers joined in, and within a couple of days, Barberich announced she would “step down” as editor. In other words, she got fired from a company that she started — yes, Barberich was a cofounder of Refinery29, and had put 15 years of her life into the site, from start-up to corporate acquisition, but none of that matters, because racism! Oh, how beautiful! Barberich was all about the “sisterhood,” supporting the Women’s March and every trendy progressive cause that came along, but it wasn’t enough, because it’s never enough. Hire as many WOCs as you want, and you’re still just another cracker honky when push comes to shove.

    It seems that Mrs Barberich’s sin was a ‘brownface’ Hallowe’en costume . . . seventeen years ago.

    This is why every HR department is obligated to do a thorough due diligence examination of every applicant considered for a position. Collegiate memberships, Facebook and Twit posts, the whole shebang, because you simply cannot allow any of the ‘woke’ to infest your company. They are like roaches; they will multiply and soil your firm.

    The Dana in Kentucky (6a5316)

  45. The much nicer Dana wrote:

    Do these cancel culture people ever stop to consider that, when they make a foot-in-mouth gaffe, or say something inappropriate, the same principles that they are now espousing will be used against them at the time? They don’t strike me as very bright people.

    If they were smart, they wouldn’t be leftists.

    The Dana in Kentucky (6a5316)

  46. If the ‘woke’ were at all educated, they might be able to see some parallels in history.

    Maximillian Robespierre was unavailable for comment.

    The Dana in Kentucky (6a5316)

  47. Relatively speaking, it hasn’t been that violent in Seattle. A night or two a week or so ago and, surprisingly, one night in Bellevue. They even some boarded up windows in downtown Everett. Most Seattleites are more irritated about the crumbling West Seattle Bridge, built only 36 years ago and shut down because of cracking.
    That said, Durkan has mishandled the situation by shutting down a precinct and for not making any real progress on the homeless/vagrancy situation.

    Paul Montagu (91c593)

  48. @14

    I’m unclear on the rules. They seem to always be in a sate of flux: Are we are we not responsible for our spouses or children’s comments/tweets? I was repeatedly told that Hillary wasn’t responsible for Bill’s inappropriate behavior and lies, so which is it?

    Dana (0feb77) — 6/9/2020 @ 4:11 pm

    The rules are that there are no rules. It’s whatever pushes the “correct narrative”.

    whembly (c30c83)

  49. We should put people who gave Hillary a pass but call for canceling people because of what their spouses say in the same “ignore” category as religious leaders who profess to care about family & Christian values and support Trump.

    They’re being hypocritical about a fundamental issue.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  50. It’s strange that you look at this a discrimination against conservatives. From what I recall there was never any force used against the Bundys. They deployed force, but spent a lot of time and resolved it peacefully. I think that’s all to the good. But I don’t really see how you list this as a grievance for conservatives.

    Discrimination? You said that, not me. I’m just wondering why a ranch elicited the response it did while no officials – state, local, federal – seem interested in this takeover by leftists.

    The problem is, no one in the media will ask those questions. They have to bury the story, at least until November.

    Hoi Polloi (7cefeb)

  51. I’m just wondering why a ranch elicited the response it did while no officials – state, local, federal – seem interested in this takeover by leftists.

    Seattle was taken over by leftists back in the 1980s, which is not news. It’s a blue-on-bluer situation right now, considering that there at least two self-professed socialists on the city council.

    Paul Montagu (91c593)

  52. The problem with moderates and libertarians is they always hit soft against the Left. Any attack never identifies the Left as the problem, instead generalities are always used. But then if you pride yourself on always thinking “both sides are wrong” or being the “only adult in the room”, its a natural reaction. Others simply refuse to think in ideological terms, its simply beyond them. So “People” are just doing “dumb stuff”. The fact that these “People” are Leftists with a plan and an agenda is something they don’t want to attack.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  53. “But hey, those ranchers were grazing on empty federal land. Deploy snipers.”

    IF you’re talking about this guy, he’s one of the ranchers.

    https://i.imgur.com/2r83wFl.png

    Davethulhu (b9acf0)

  54. @54

    “But hey, those ranchers were grazing on empty federal land. Deploy snipers.”

    IF you’re talking about this guy, he’s one of the ranchers.

    https://i.imgur.com/2r83wFl.png

    Davethulhu (b9acf0) — 6/10/2020 @ 8:43 am

    It’s even worse… that wasn’t one of the rancher, just some joeblow supporting the ranchers.

    Still amazing to me that the prosecutors screwed up this case…

    whembly (c30c83)

  55. https://spectator.org/systemic-racism-bigotry-left-black-lives-matter/

    The truth about systemic racism.

    Divide and conquer. Justified hate. Evil never rests.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  56. Paul Montagu (91c593) — 6/10/2020 @ 8:03 am

    Seattle was taken over by leftists back in the 1980s, which is not news. It’s a blue-on-bluer situation right now, considering that there at least two self-professed socialists on the city council.

    Boys will be boys and all, or in this case, marxists will get their marx on. Best to let them work it out. No need to worry until people start getting shot in the street or strung up.

    BTW, do the state or local government still control Free Capital Hill? Is it still practicable to enforce the laws of the United States there by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings?

    frosty (f27e97)

  57. Is it still practicable to enforce the laws of the United States there by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings?

    Like I said, Durkan was foolish for shutting down the East Precinct. The city’s failure to enforce the law is a main reason for the homeless problem.

    Paul Montagu (91c593)

  58. LOL! A twit who protected her account — but not before a screenshot — whined:

    ALERTA#2 The homeles people we invited took away all the food at the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.

    we need more food to keep the area operational. please if possible bring vegan meat substitutes, fruits, oats, soy products, etc. – anything to help us eat

    Vegan meat substitutes? Soy products? Yeah, those are some real revolutionaries!

    Just shut off the water and electricity and WiFi, and they’ll want to heat back home to their parents’ basements double quick!

    The Dana in Kentucky (6a5316)

  59. Mr Snowman wrote:

    Boys will be boys and all, or in this case, marxists will get their marx on. Best to let them work it out. No need to worry until people start getting shot in the street or strung up.

    The Summer of Love wasn’t all it was cracked up to be. A lot of the guys who wore flowers in their hair to head for San Francisco for free love and sex weren’t really prepared to take no for an answer from the lovely ladies there. The culture there was such that girls often felt that it was wrong to say no, and some of those who did were just raped, but hey, boys will be boys!

    When the law is gone, lawlessness arises.

    The Dana in Kentucky (6a5316)

  60. Do you really not see a difference between a family member trading on their father / brother’s name and high ranking government official (Kushner) maintaining control over a large business while working in the white house? Both are corrupt. But the later is more corrupt and it would be very easy for the President to address the situation by requiring a blind trust or removing Kushner from power.

    Counterargument: the Trump family went to the White House with an existing business portfolio worth however much it is worth, but certainly a substantial sum. Joe Biden went to Washington DC with whatever he had saved in his one year working in the district attorney’s office in Wilmington, so a huge chunk of the fortune that he and his family has accrued since then has come directly from peddling influence in his half-century of — cough, cough — public service. I’m not going to tell you that the Trumps aren’t fiendishly corrupt, but they are pikers compared to what the Bidens of the country manage to pull off which is more in line with how families in tinhorn dictatorships become rich.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  61. The greenest skies you’ve ever seen are in Seattle.
    And in the hills the bluest trees, in Seattle.
    When the pot is too mild, shrooms sprout up free and wild.
    All your hopes, all your fears, flashbacks that recur for years,
    In Seattle.

    nk (1d9030)

  62. Antifa have taken over Seattle
    Their loins they have girded for battle
    But it doesn’t matter
    Alone they will chatter
    As mature as they were with their rattles.

    The Dana in Kentucky (6a5316)

  63. Brent Scher
    @BrentScher
    The first demand of the Seattle BLM protesters is to abolish the police department and court system…

    https://medium.com/@seattleblmanon3/the-demands-of-the-collective-black-voices-at-free-capitol-hill-to-the-government-of-seattle-ddaee51d3e47__

    “In credit to the people who freed Capitol Hill, this list of demands is neither brief nor simplistic. This is no simple request to end police brutality. We demand that the City Council and the Mayor, whoever that may be, implement these policy changes for the cultural and historic advancement of the City of Seattle, and to ease the struggles of its people.

    1 – The Seattle Police Department and attached court system are beyond reform. We do not request reform, we demand abolition.

    It just gets nuttier from there.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  64. @41 I hope your granddaughter recovers well and quickly.

    Nic (896fdf)

  65. mg,

    I’m glad you have friends and patriots willing to help and protect your granddaughter. God bless her and protect her.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  66. ” Joe Biden went to Washington DC with whatever he had saved in his one year working in the district attorney’s office in Wilmington, so a huge chunk of the fortune that he and his family has accrued since then has come directly from peddling influence in his half-century of — cough, cough — public service”

    Most of Biden’s wealth came from books and speaking after he left office.

    Davethulhu (b9acf0)

  67. “ From what I recall there was never any force used against the Bundys”

    From what I recall the Bundys kept their looting to a minimum.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  68. @67 Wasn’t Biden consistently one of the least wealthy members of the Senate during his entire Senate career?

    Nic (896fdf)

  69. My thoughts and prayers are with you, your granddaughter and family, mg.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  70. “From what I recall the Bundys kept their looting to a minimum.”

    The Bundys are thieves.

    Davethulhu (b9acf0)

  71. From what I recall the Bundys kept their looting to a minimum.

    I’m 100% ok with using force to take Looters into custody.
    I’m less OK with using force against peaceful protesters.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  72. MG, I hope your granddaughter is OK.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  73. Hey! Have you read the news
    ‘bout the attack of the killer shrews?
    Though brains they be lackin’
    These clowns are attackin’
    All those not sharing their views

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. https://nypost.com/2020/06/10/ucla-suspends-professor-for-refusing-leniency-for-black-students/

    More struggle sessions. How dare anyone disagree with the new norm.

    NJRob (49852a)

  75. NJRob (49852a) — 6/10/2020 @ 2:00 pm

    The people suspending him should at least be able to answer his questions. If the class was online and he didn’t know who was black how is he supposed to know who to give grades too?

    He was stepped in it the minute he asked about mixed and Asian students and the question about white students sealed his fate.

    At least the white allies didn’t ask for equal treatment. Wasn’t someone asking about being patronizing in another thread?

    frosty (f27e97)


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