Minneapolis City Council President: Calling the Police Comes from a Place of Privilege
Insanity:
Minneapolis City Council Pres on 'Defund the Police' https://t.co/Z7pOZdr0b8
Camerota: What if, in the middle of the night, my home is broken into?
Bender: I hear that loud & clear from a lot of my neighbors and myself too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege. pic.twitter.com/kGSEkcAYzV— Caleb Howe (@CalebHowe) June 8, 2020
She never does answer the question: who ya gonna call when people break into your home. Ghostbusters?
Meanwhile people are telling us online “when we say ‘defund’ we don’t mean ‘defund’ we mean [insert gobbledygook].”
These people are frightening. If they want less money going to police then maybe don’t burn police stations to the ground, because that kinda makes people feel like we need a whole hell of a lot more police. Not less or none.
But maybe that’s just me.
Defunding the police is about as likely to happen as Mexico writing Trump a check for a wall.
Dave (1bb933) — 6/8/2020 @ 8:36 amDoesn’t the Governor and/or State Legislature have a say here?
I mean… I can certainly buy the idea that the current police department may need massive changes, up to merging with other departments under new leadership/infrastructure. (that’s not so far from the conversation the St. Louis municipal cities are discussing… merging with their St. Louis County police).
But…this? This is inviting Mad Maxism.
And what the tap dancing jesus about wanting to be safe comes from a place from privilege???
whembly (51f28e) — 6/8/2020 @ 8:53 amAt this point in time, city officials have to say either “defund” or “abolish,” otherwise, it won’t just be a protest they’ll be kicked out of…
It’s pie-in-the-sky dreaming to believe that abolishing the police – formally put an end to (a system, practice, or institution) – is the answer. It would certainly make criminals, and would-be criminals happy though.
I think the vast majority of Americans believe police reforms are desperately needed. Why not just say that then? That’s what will get almost-universal support, not abolishment.
Dana (0feb77) — 6/8/2020 @ 8:58 amThat’s not what she said.
I guess what she’s trying to say is that the expectation of the police always being there to protect you is not shared by urban minorities who fear them as much or more than any burglar.
Dave (1bb933) — 6/8/2020 @ 9:06 amAnd we wonder why smart government officials aren’t creatively looking at ways to organize and do policing better….this lady gets an “A” for virtue signaling….but an “F” for having a clue. Step 1, fire anyone that can’t reason through why defunding the police is a horrible idea.
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 6/8/2020 @ 9:07 am@4
That is indeed what she said.
That’s one guess.
Everyone knows that the police is under no obligation to protect you (that is, cannot be liable for failing to do so).
whembly (51f28e) — 6/8/2020 @ 9:12 amTyranny leads to anarchy, and anarchy leads to tyranny, and it’s still more than most people deserve, and you can go back to the Garden of Eden for proof of the fact.
nk (1d9030) — 6/8/2020 @ 9:19 amThis is the kind of idea that hangs itself.
I note that there is a city council by-election for Ward 6 on August 11. I wonder how that will play out.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 9:26 amI suspect the idea here is to disband the police, then create an organization of “community peace officers” or some such. Former police would qualify so long as they were “good” police and signed the
loyalty diversity and inclusion oath.I also wonder what happens to police pensions for the officers in the disbanded police. I have no idea what their contract says, but I’m willing to bet that every contract going forward will make this painful.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 9:30 amClose your tags!
I suspect the idea here is to disband the police, then create an organization of “community peace officers” or some such. Former police would qualify so long as they were “good” police and signed the
loyaltydiversity and inclusion oath.I also wonder what happens to police pensions for the officers in the disbanded police. I have no idea what their contract says, but I’m willing to bet that every contract going forward will make this painful.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 9:31 amI guess what she’s trying to say is that the expectation of the police always being there to protect you is not shared by urban minorities who fear them as much or more than any burglar.
Because?
a) Because cops look for any opportunity to beat down little black and brown children?
b) Because the residents are doing lots of things they don’t want the police to see?
c) Because the residents live in fear of local gangs who don’t want the police around?
d) Because they are here illegally?
e) Because the culture they fled (but brought with them) has a fear of police?
Anything but a) and I say “That’s TFB”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 9:37 amIs there any reason to believe that the Minneapolis city council and mayor would be of any higher quality than the cops they’ve been hiring? FUBAR follows FUBAR.
nk (1d9030) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:03 amIs there any evidence that the Minneapolis PD is measurably worse than others in cities of comparable size and demographics?
One guy seriously f***ed up, and three others didn’t do anything to stop him. They have 800 officers.
Dave (1bb933) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:12 amBecause the police don’t give all people the equal protection of the law.
And if Black Lives Matter had its way, it would be like that in spades.
Sammy Finkelman (22cc00) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:23 amRemember Justine Diamond? Remember Philando Castile? They have a problem with low-quality cops in that general vicinity, and I would attribute it to the low quality of the general vicinity, with this lady as representative which she literally is.
nk (1d9030) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:25 amThe pensions are owed by the city.
As for people still on the force:
https://www.lcpr.leg.mn/documents/backgrounddocs/MN_Public_Pension_Plan_Basics_as_of_6-30-2017.pdf
Sammy Finkelman (22cc00) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:27 amMinneapolis Rioters Burned One Of America’s Most Beloved Independent Bookstores To The Ground
“Uncle Hugo’s and Uncle Edgar’s were legendary among the community of science fiction, fantasy, and mystery readers—and now they’re gone.“
“There was a call from the security company around 3:30 this morning that the motion detector was showing somebody in the building. I threw on clothes and headed over there,” said Blyly in an email. “When I was 2 blocks away, I received a call that the smoke detectors were showing smoke in the store. Every single building on both sides of Chicago [street] was blazing and dozens of people dancing around.”
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“It’s only property”
They have insurance”
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I think I can figure out why it was just torched and not looted.
harkin (d8e40a) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:30 am_
8. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 9:26 am
The Republican Party could win that (and stop that idea) if they were to take a courageous stand against it. While at the same time warning against the police being arrogant and so on.
Otherwise they’ll have a hard time stopping themselves from doing it.
If the county or the state takes over police responsibilities, the city of Minneapolis will save itself a lot of money.
Sammy Finkelman (22cc00) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:32 am“ Tyranny leads to anarchy, and anarchy leads to tyranny, and it’s still more than most people deserve”
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Is this directly out of the Antifa Handbook or just stream of consciousness mental diarrhea?
harkin (d8e40a) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:33 am_
They’ve lost the plot, and their minds.
Time123 (52fb0e) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:34 amOr this is a re-naming exercise.
17. harkin (d8e40a) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:30 am
Why?
The planners of the looting don;t like reading?
Sammy Finkelman (22cc00) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:34 amApparently, Uncle Hugo’s did have insurance, which will pay for the wholesale cost of the inventory, but probably not the building or furnishings. There’s a GoFundMe page which has raised $117K so far, which will pay the costs of restarting, possibly elsewhere.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:39 amThe planners of the looting don;t like reading?
Try “can’t”.
And really, if you had to protest the city’s maladministration in African-American areas, why the police when the schools are the real problem?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:41 amPlease, oh please, defund and effectively abolish the police…just do it
Horatio (805f23) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:41 amIs this directly out of the Antifa Handbook or just stream of consciousness mental diarrhea?
Covfefe.
nk (1d9030) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:47 am“ Apparently, Uncle Hugo’s did have insurance, which will pay for the wholesale cost of the inventory, but probably not the building or furnishings. There’s a GoFundMe page which has raised $117K so far, which will pay the costs of restarting, possibly elsewhere.”
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If there’s anything easy to replace, it’s a book store inventory and all the work it took to build it.
When they re-build they should re-name it ‘Alexandria’s Book Store’.
harkin (d8e40a) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:51 am_
I believe what they’re trying to do is invite MAD MARXISM.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:54 am“ I guess what she’s trying to say is that the expectation of the police always being there to protect you is not shared by urban minorities who fear them as much or more than any burglar.”
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As bad as the police have been in these Democratic cesspools of corruption, crime and ignorance, not knowing the data on the greatest cause of death of black people just means the main causes of urban misery are still not being addressed.
This will all be played out again in the future; hopefully it’s a long way off but I doubt it.
harkin (d8e40a) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:59 am_
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:41 am
Because they’re pro crime.
Everything is logical if you assume Black Lives Matter is a pro crime organization.
Sammy Finkelman (22cc00) — 6/8/2020 @ 11:01 amHmm?
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/8/2020 @ 11:01 amMaybe you could say they did read Fahrenheit 451.
But there they burned only books.
Sammy Finkelman (22cc00) — 6/8/2020 @ 11:03 amIn watching the video clip ( in the post), my question is: why didn’t City Council Prez Bender take a few seconds to, at the very least, reassure citizens that the police would indeed be available for calls if they suspected their house was being broken into in the middle of the night? Is that on the table as a possible no-go for police, because that’s how I’m taking her silence on the question. I don’t see how that could possibly be a winning tactic in either the white or black communities of the city.
Here is an interesting report from November 2019 that analyzed the volume and processes of how 911 calls are handled in Minneapolis. At the time, city was trying to realign the priority of calls or considering how to work around Minnesota law that only allows police officers to respond to the calls. Basically, they were in dire straits because of a shortage of police officers available to respond to the calls in a timely manner.
Dana (0feb77) — 6/8/2020 @ 11:19 amThese folks should definitely be more afraid of police than criminals:
“Chicago saw its deadliest weekend of gun violence this year as protests, riots, and looting continued to rock the city after the death of George Floyd at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer.
A total of 24 people were killed and at least 61 injured by gun violence, more than half shot on Sunday. Chicago Police Superintendent David Brown said that 17 of the gun deaths occurred on Sunday alone.“
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/chicago-sees-deadliest-weekend-of-gun-violence-in-2020-as-george-floyd-protests-continue/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
harkin (d8e40a) — 6/8/2020 @ 11:25 am_
Time123 (52fb0e) — 6/8/2020 @ 10:34 am
It isn’t a renaming exercise. It is about control. BLM has been very clear about this from the start.
It will be interesting to see how far this goes. If the city disbands it’s police I would expect more burden to fall on the county and state. The argument to disband the police isn’t disband and stop spending the money. They fully intend to spend that money on “community activities”. I don’t imagine the suburbs and rural areas will want to pay more for the county and state police to offset that burden.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/8/2020 @ 11:37 amDana (0feb77) — 6/8/2020 @ 11:19 am
Yes, that is off the table. This is why there’s an entire sub-genre of social justice theory devoted to explaining how the police as we know them are an invention of the slave-holding south as a means of perpetuating slavery. That was expanded into the more general marxist argument that the police are simply a tool of the elite used to maintain an oppressive system. Get rid of the tools of oppression and the oppression can’t be maintained.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/8/2020 @ 11:51 amThe pensions are owed by the city.
So, if the typical active-duty officer is 35, has been on the job 12 years and has averaged $80K/year for the formula, they have to pay him $29K/year for the rest of his life (40+ years typically). Plus, no doubt, a solid medical plan.
I would guess that they’d end up hiring back most of the younger officers, who have no real vesting, for their Mall Cop program but anyone who gets anything reasonable will be finding another line of work. Like a cop in another state. Santa Monica pays well.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 11:56 amGood for Biden. He needs to have a Sista Souljah moment with the ever-batty AOC and tell her defunding a$$ to sod off.
Paul Montagu (795667) — 6/8/2020 @ 12:18 pmGood for Biden.
He may be senile, but he’s not stupid.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 12:24 pmLet’s see how long he holds out on this.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 12:25 pmIt will be interesting to see how far this goes. If the city disbands it’s police I would expect more burden to fall on the county and state.
I can’t speak to Minnesota but in some states this would result in the state seizing control of the city government, for gross maladministration.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 12:27 pmIf the city wants to change how it polices itself, and they have the votes to do it, have at it. I doubt they will “defund” the police. More likely they will end proactive patrolling and change the parameters of when/how police respond to 911 calls.
I for one welcome this because there is nothing Democrats and the liberal media like to do then set the Republicans against the far right, or try to paint Republicans with the same brush as the far-right whackos out there.
Turnabout is fair play.
Hoi Polloi (7cefeb) — 6/8/2020 @ 12:34 pmTrump should speak to the nation, with these reassuring words:
“… and so, in order to begin binding the woulds that separate us, I am announcing my resignation, effective noon tomorrow. I wish that everyone would join with the new President in praying that this country can continue to serve as the beacon of liberty and justice the world admires. Together, we can make America great again.
Good night and God Bless America.”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 12:34 pmAmen.
Dave (1bb933) — 6/8/2020 @ 12:43 pmthe mayor was elected by ranked voting, with only 26% of the vote, demolition man, is a documentary, they were off by 15 years,
narciso (7404b5) — 6/8/2020 @ 12:55 pmIt’s undeniable by now that different communities of Americans experience policing in different ways. That is not acceptable, and there is little evidence thus far that police departments are able or willing to transform their culture of how they engage with poor and minority communities left to their own devices.
Regardless, armed police certainly aren’t the only or best possible response for every situation.
Be nice to have another tool or two in the box which could possibly deescalate disorderly people without violence. Ya know, like parents, teachers, special education professionals, medical staff, not to mention police all over the world, are expected to be able to do.
TR (9bed35) — 6/8/2020 @ 1:07 pm“Defund the police”? If I were a Russian bot, I’d be pouring gas all over that dumpster fire.
noel (4d3313) — 6/8/2020 @ 1:17 pm42, I’d settle for an LBJ style exit. Just be about the judges and leave it at that.
urbanleftbehind (2641dd) — 6/8/2020 @ 1:37 pm47. Well, yeah. With the Sentate up all night until Jan 3rd or 20th, depending. And the RNC would be fun, fun, fun.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 2:00 pm“Defund the police”? If I were a Russian bot, I’d be pouring gas all over that dumpster fire.
Why? It’s burning just fine as it is.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 2:01 pmI note that Biden, wanting to show that he’s not entirely caving to the Left has come out against defunding/disbanding. And this will be played up while his many other “concessions” (that’s your blood he’s spilling) go unremarked.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 2:03 pmSo, there are serveal kids of exits:
LBJ: Announce you won’t run again
Nixon: Resign.
Many: Lose.
FDR: Die of natural causes.
Park Chung Hee: Killed by patriot
McKinley: Killed by whackjob
Lincoln: Killed by dead-ender opponent
Kennedy: Died in coup.
Which will Trump choose?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 2:10 pm1970 conservative answer to anti police left. Don’t like police call a hippy when you need help. 2020 conservative answer to anti police democrats. Don’t like police call a protestor when you need help. 2020 left has answer No we will form an anti-fascist/racist volunteer peoples militia to root out fascist and racist enemies of the people.
asset (5dc688) — 6/8/2020 @ 2:18 pmantifa’s reign of terror rolls onward
Dave (1bb933) — 6/8/2020 @ 2:28 pmRe-read the post and one observation:
This isn’t what I’ve been seeing. I’ve been seeing “we mean defund” and fellow-travelers saying, “when they say defund it means [insert gobbledygook].” It’s a subtle but important difference.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/8/2020 @ 2:32 pmI think it’s perfectly reasonable to scrutinize what police departments spend some of their funding on. Ending the purchase of surplus military gear is a step in the right direction.
Gryph (08c844) — 6/8/2020 @ 2:33 pmKyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Los Angeles prosecutors won’t charge thousands of protesters for curfew, other violations in city with most arrests.
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Surfer fined $1,000 for ignoring coronavirus closure in Manhattan Beach
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harkin (d8e40a) — 6/8/2020 @ 2:36 pmConfirmed: The shooter who gunned down/blew-up a sheriff’s deputy in Santa Cruz over the weekend is an active-duty Air Force Staff Sergeant, and has undergone elite “Raven” security training.
They think he might also be responsible for shooting two other cops in Oakland on the night of May 29, leaving one dead.
Dave (1bb933) — 6/8/2020 @ 2:45 pmHis wife committed suicide in 2018, and their kids were removed from him to one of her family members. The wife’s aunt/great aunt…
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/8/2020 @ 3:04 pmpepper spray the hag
mg (8cbc69) — 6/8/2020 @ 3:20 pmWhich will Trump choose?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 2:10 pm
A very good comment. I would change only one word:
Which will Trump Suffer?
felipe (023cc9) — 6/8/2020 @ 3:30 pmI was watching the Cincy police chief talk about 40% of their calls are for things unrelated to what he considers “police matters”, yet it also doesn’t fit what EMS or Fire does either and they are spread even thinner, so it just defaults to the police.
This is the kind of stupid training that police are getting from people who have no idea what civilian police are supposed to do.
I met Grossman a few times and he’s the typical try-hard blowhard that you’d expect, he’s energetic about it though. He has to sell his training now that the Army tradoc has discredited his entire thesis. So he’s selling it to the police, and they’re buying it.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/8/2020 @ 3:39 pmhttps://www.startribune.com/officers-slashed-tires-on-vehicles-parked-during-mpls-protests-unrest/571105692/
Davethulhu (2768d4) — 6/8/2020 @ 3:53 pmBecause there’s a First Amendment right for the people peacefully to surf and petition the waves to hang five. I looked up “indiscriminate clod” in the dictionary and it said: “See Trumpkin.”
nk (1d9030) — 6/8/2020 @ 3:56 pmI
I wonder if the City could approach the LE Union and use this topic as a starting point for negotiations? Say, what concessions would they find appropriate for relieving them of 40% of unrelated calls, which would be handled by either a different, new group, or a subset of (perhaps police academy cadets) of LE?
felipe (023cc9) — 6/8/2020 @ 3:57 pmDavethulhu @62. Cops slashing citizens’ tires. It’s not a coincidence that Minnesota’s official state bird is the loon.
nk (1d9030) — 6/8/2020 @ 3:59 pmLet me think like a liberal for a moment:
How about a city-funded domestic “Peace Corps?” Slogan: If you don’t want to call the Police, then call on us. [not affiliated with LE]
felipe (023cc9) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:07 pmActing pairs would consist of a younger and an older citizen.
felipe, please tell me: What are your 40% of things that you called 911 for that did not fit either Fire or EMS so they sent a police car?
nk (1d9030) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:10 pmHow about a highly questionable idea?
The city “use” their “mob” connections to establish a “syndicate” that would regulate all criminal activity and social problems?
felipe (023cc9) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:12 pmOh, I have non, nor can I imagine what those might be, in any credible capacity. I am taking the following comment on good faith:
felipe (023cc9) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:14 pmWelfare checks might be part of that 40%.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:18 pmNoise complaints.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:19 pmPerhaps reports of all those activities that disturb the easily disturbed, such as strangely behaving individuals that are keeping to themselves?
felipe (023cc9) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:22 pmDRJ (15874d) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:19 pm
And complaints such as trashed yards, and other unsightly evidence of human origin?
felipe (023cc9) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:24 pmI was looking for some stats on the most common 911 calls, and most are basically like the Lancaster PA county. Only one of the top 5 are somewhat police related, and of the top 30, only a few were actual crimes.
I also learned a new definition of “frequent flyer” repeat 911 callers. There are a few different categories, but the medical frequent flyer is the worst.
This is in Chicago, where they have a total of 80 ambulances, 96 engines, 61 trucks. In comparison, depending on the shift the Chicago PD has between 600 and 2,000 patrols out at any given time, so they get dispatched to lots of things to see if its actually bad enough to call medical/fire.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:33 pmJust so you know, in case you ever visit Chicago and bring your cat with you or rent one while you’re here, it is the official policy of the Chicago Fire Department that they don’t bring cats down from trees.
nk (1d9030) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:33 pmAnd what about this one nk?
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/nj-lockdown-protest-organizer-faces-charge-she-violated-coronavirus-ban-on-gatherings.html
NJRob (744c64) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:40 pm39. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 12:25 pm
He’s gotten close to George Floyd’s family who are also not in favor of this, or of other things that have been going on.
They are trying to take control of the movement. It’s very obvious.
Today, two weeks after being killed, George Floyd lay in state (or the equivalent) in Houston, Texas, with people lining up all day, outside in the heat, to see him. Tomorrow will be the funeral.
Joe Biden left the vicinity of Delaware to go to Houston, where he met with the family for an hour in a restaurant. He did not go to see the body or any place alot of people were because he didn’t want the Secret Service to disrupt things.
Meanwhile the organized looters and police attackers haven’t been see around for several days.
Sammy Finkelman (70b0bc) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:40 pmActually, though not a call made by me, I commented on this site on a post about Police and owners of gods. Where Police responded to a neighbor’s 911 call about barking dogs in my sister’s yard. The police discovered my mother fallen in the backyard which prompted the dogs to “call for help.”
felipe (023cc9) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:42 pm“gods”, heh, I mean dogs, of course, though still Man’s best friend.
felipe (023cc9) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:43 pmHey Patt,
Here’s another video with the Pres.of the Minneapolis city council on CNN:
https://mobile.twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1270121119526408193?s=20
Forget anything learned about policing in the last 150 years, defund the cops, give the $$$ to the ‘community’ and if ‘someone starts shooting’, the community will deal with it.
harkin (d8e40a) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:54 pmFlorida police organization offers to hire cops who were fired or resigned over police misconduct
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One Florida police organization has said it will re-hire those very officers accused of misconduct, and that offer is prompting outrage.
On Saturday, the Brevard County chapter of the Fraternal Order of Police posted a message on Facebook addressed to the “Buffalo 57” and “Atlanta 6,” saying that it was “hiring.”
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“Lower taxes, no spineless leadership, or dumb mayors rambling on at press conferences… Plus… we got your back!” the Brevard County F.O.P. added in its post.
In another Facebook post made on Sunday, the organization made the same offer to the Minneapolis police, who are currently facing calls to be defunded and dismantled after four of its officers were charged for their involvement in George Floyd’s death.
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Both posts have since been deleted and the Brevard County F.O.P did not return CNN’s request for comment.
But in comments to Florida Today, Brevard County F.O.P. President Bert Gamin claimed responsibility for the post regarding the Buffalo and Atlanta police officers and defended them.
“The police had the legal authority in both cases,” Gamin said in an email to Florida Today. “At the time the warnings were provided, the citizens were already breaking the law. Those citizens chose to disregard the warnings. It led directly to escalations and confrontations with the police. When we issue lawful commands/warnings, citizens have a responsibility to comply. The reality is failure to comply leads to escalation.”
Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:55 pm…..
Apparently he doesn’t have the courage of his convictions since he deleted the posts.
What about it, NJRob? It’s New Jersey not California and they charged only the organizer and let the rank and file go. She has a better First Amendment case than the churches, in my opinion. She was not packing them in an enclosed place siting next to each and breathing in each other’s exhalations.
nk (1d9030) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:55 pmTrump last week: “I’ve gone down two or three times, all for inspection. And, you go there, some day you may need it. I went down. I looked at it. It was during the day, and it was not a problem … There was never a problem … nobody ever came close to giving us a problem.”
Barr on Monday: “We were reacting to three days of extremely violent demonstrations right across from the White House. A lot of injuries to police officers, arson. Things were so bad that the Secret Service recommended the president go down to the bunker. We can’t have that in our country.”
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/8/2020 @ 4:56 pmShutdowns prevented 60 million coronavirus infections in the U.S., study finds
Shutdown orders prevented about 60 million novel coronavirus infections in the United States and 285 million in China, according to a research study published Monday that examined how stay-at-home orders and other restrictions limited the spread of the contagion.
A separate study from epidemiologists at Imperial College London estimated the shutdowns saved about 3.1 million lives in 11 European countries, including 500,000 in the United Kingdom, and dropped infection rates by an average of 82 percent, sufficient to drive the contagion well below epidemic levels.
The two reports, published simultaneously Monday in the journal Nature, used completely different methods to reach similar conclusions. They suggest that the aggressive and unprecedented shutdowns, which caused massive economic disruptions and job losses, were effective at halting the exponential spread of the novel coronavirus.
Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/8/2020 @ 5:03 pm…..
The researchers concluded that the six countries collectively managed to avert 62 million test-confirmed infections. Because most people who are infected never get tested or diagnosed with covid-19, the actual number of cases that were averted is much higher — about 530 million in the six countries, the Berkeley researchers estimated. They estimated that the United States, had it not imposed shutdowns and other measures, would have seen an additional 4.8 million diagnosed infections and 60 million actual infections.
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“Societies around the world are weighing whether the health benefits of anti-contagion policies are worth their social and economic costs,” the Berkeley team wrote. The economic costs of shutdowns are highly visible — closed stores, huge job losses, empty streets, food lines. The health benefits of the shutdowns, however, are invisible, because they involve “infections that never occurred and deaths that did not happen,” Hsiang said.
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Trump says no defunding, dismantling or disbanding of police
President Donald Trump on Monday sent a clear message during a White House roundtable with members of law enforcement: The police are doing a “fantastic” job.
“There won’t be defunding, there won’t be dismantling of our police and there is not going to be any disbanding of our police,” he said at the afternoon event.
Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/8/2020 @ 5:09 pm…..
I guess that settles that, given there is really no federal role concerning policing (outside of investigating “rogue” departments, which has ground to a halt.)
No sane person believe that BS Murdock.
NJRob (744c64) — 6/8/2020 @ 5:10 pm“It will be interesting to see how far this goes. If the city disbands it’s police I would expect more burden to fall on the county and state.“
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harkin (d8e40a) — 6/8/2020 @ 5:10 pm@ZaidJilani
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Camden, New Jersey, cited as a model for eliminating its police force, actually just replaced them with a much bigger police force (250 -> 411 officers) run by the county, making it the “highest police presence of any larger-sized city” in America. https://books.google.com/books?id=pY6KDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT324&lpg=PT324&dq=
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William Barr’s Four-Pinocchio claim that pepper balls are ‘not chemical’
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PepperBall’s website declares: “With multiple payload options and a proprietary chemical irritant that’s proven more effective from even greater distances, PepperBall® projectiles offer the protection and versatility for any situation.” (The company did not respond to a request for comment.)
What’s that ingredient? It’s called pelargonic acid vanillylamide, or PAVA, a “synthetic” form of capsaicin, the active ingredient in hot peppers. Anyone who’s tried to insert contacts in their eyes after cutting hot peppers knows what that feels like. PAVA is mostly derived from synthesis rather than extraction from natural plant sources, according to the “Handbook of Toxicology of Chemical Warfare Agents.”
Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/8/2020 @ 5:14 pm…..
If Barr had bothered to check with his own department, he would have quickly learned that PepperBalls are a chemical irritant. A 2009 Justice Department report noted that the PepperBall system “fires projectiles containing highly irritating pepper powder,” saying the “system’s accuracy and accompanying blunt trauma impact made it an ideal chemical dispensing system.”
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Perhaps Barr really thinks “pepper balls” are just made from pepper. But it’s hard to believe he’s so poorly informed about facts. A simple Google search would have found that a key ingredient in pepper balls is in fact a chemical irritant. So he appears to playing a game of semantics to confuse listeners.
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NJRob-
I assume you are referring to post #84. Feel free to post alternative studies.
You probably can’t be bothered.
Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/8/2020 @ 5:17 pmis this the same mr. president donald trump who threatened to defund the police of sanctuary cities and all his supporters shouted “hallelujah!”
or was it “hosanna”?
nk (1d9030) — 6/8/2020 @ 5:18 pmCDC: 19% Of Americans Have Put Bleach On Food To Kill Coronavirus, How Instead To Keep Food Clean
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……..[A]ccording to survey results just published in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), 39% of the Americans surveyed have done high-risk things with household cleaners in attempts to stay safe from the Covid-19 coronavirus. That’s based on a web-based survey administered to a nationally-representative sample of 502 adults on May 4. Yeah, when people encourage you to take risks in life, this is probably not what they mean.
These high-risk activities included drinking or gargling diluted bleach solutions, soapy water, and other cleaning and disinfectant solutions, which 4% of the survey respondents said they have done. It also including trying to clean their hands or skin (18%) or misting their bodies (10%) with household cleaning and disinfectant products. There was also the 6% that have inhaled the vapors of such products, even though such products are not bacon or fresh-baked cookies.These are all no-no’s, as in “noooooo.”
But the most common high-risk thing to do was applying bleach to food items such as fruits and vegetables, which 19% did. Umm, don’t do this. Your food isn’t a bathroom tile. You can’t just apply bleach to food and then expect to wipe it off completely. Anything that you put on food could potentially seep into the food and eventually make it into your mouth, assuming that’s where you end up putting your food.
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“I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.”
Apparently some have taken Trump seriously.
Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/8/2020 @ 5:22 pmTrigger warning to the culture of death:
The health benefits of
felipe (023cc9) — 6/8/2020 @ 5:24 pmthe shutdownsabortions, however, are invisible, because they involve “infectionsbirths that never occurred anddeathslives that did not happen,”HsiangNo liberal ever said.“ Because there’s a First Amendment right for the people peacefully to surf and petition the waves to hang five.”
I saw one of your soulmates yesterday:
https://twitter.com/jtLOL/status/1270078639657422849?s=20
harkin (d8e40a) — 6/8/2020 @ 5:31 pm_
A dozen people got coronavirus at a college party in Cape May County, officials say
The Bucks County Department of Health in Pennsylvania reported Sunday that 11 people had contracted the virus at Jersey Shore house gatherings from a New Jersey resident “who attended multiple house gatherings at the shore during the past two weeks.” Another Bucks County resident who became infected from the same New Jersey source was announced Friday, according to a news release.
The party was attended by college-age students, according to the New Jersey Health Department, which also said Bucks County officials described the people who became sick had “mild” cases. Health officials did not say where in Cape May County the party took place.
The state Health Department said Monday that it was working with the Bucks County Health Department to look into the Memorial Day party and that contract tracing is ongoing.
Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/8/2020 @ 5:48 pm……
“This is exactly why we can’t let our guard down now, even if it feels `safe’ to be at the beach,” [David Damsker, director of the Bucks County Health Department] said in a statement. “One unlucky exposure can lead to a large cascade of cases down the line. We want everyone to enjoy the warmer weather and have fun, but let’s keep in mind that COVID is still circulating in the community at baseline levels.”
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The example I keep seeing float around is the way that Camden NJ redid their public safety system, which seems to be working OK, but I don’t know enough about it to really say one way or the other.
Nic (896fdf) — 6/8/2020 @ 6:01 pm95. If any public safety system involves giving “peace officers” rights and privileges that ordinary citizens don’t have, we’ll go right back to having the same problems we had before.
Gryph (08c844) — 6/8/2020 @ 6:28 pmLOL
They lie so often, and about so much, that it seems a bit unfair to expect them to keep their stories straight.
Dave (1bb933) — 6/8/2020 @ 6:50 pmHow Trump’s failed ‘maximum pressure’ tactics could inspire a pre-election provocation
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Three years of Trump’s “maximum pressure” campaigns have given Iran and North Korea motive to deliver a nasty October surprise — and the abject failure of U.S. policy has given them the opportunity.
The most likely source of such intervention is the regime of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, whose deep antipathy toward the United States has been compounded by hatred for Trump. …….
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What it has done is given Khamenei good reason to try delivering Trump to the same fate suffered by Jimmy Carter, who became a one-term president after failing to free U.S. hostages held by Iran………
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………Iranian-backed groups have attacked U.S. forces in Iraq more than 20 times. Trump, wishing to avoid a military escalation in the Middle East that might alienate his base, has not responded other than by continuing to apply sanctions. That gives Khamenei motive to launch a larger provocation that would either force Trump to respond or look impotent. Either way, the electoral impact on the incumbent president likely would be negative.
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……… Yet the point is that three years of “maximum pressure” have left Tehran with nothing to lose; Trump can only hope that the regime chooses to quietly endure the sanctions for the next five months.
He will also have to hope for similar restraint from Kim Jong Un, the North Korean despot with whom he once famously claimed to have fallen “in love.” ………Trump’s ham-handed attempts to negotiate a nuclear deal with Kim flopped, in large part because the president vastly overestimated his ability to win the dictator over at one-on-one summits.
Rip Murdock (f56c1e) — 6/8/2020 @ 6:52 pm……….
Re; Camden. The unioized city police Departent was replaced by acounty run police department that, however, only operated in Camden, New Jersey. A cursory look doesn’t tell you what really happened. The police union claimed that crime spiked in 2012 because they cut the police force and that the statistics later weren’t good.
https://patch.com/new-jersey/collingswood/state-pba-president-obama-dont-be-fooled-camden-county-police-numbers-0
Maybe this has alittle something to do with it:
https://www.wypr.org/post/watch-part-9-what-does-camden-new-jersey-have-baltimore-doesnt
I;m looking for what really happened here.
https://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/local/camden-police-warn-heroin-buyers-to-stay-in-the-suburbs/article_af44b5ce-543c-11e1-bf90-0019bb2963f4.html
Maybe they just got all the drug dealers to move out of the city. And the Camden crime problem couldn’t have been caused by people who came in just to buy drugs.
Sammy Finkelman (a248bd) — 6/8/2020 @ 7:49 pm@99 IDK if you can take the union president’s word for what has happened. I suspect he might be a little bitter.
Nic (896fdf) — 6/8/2020 @ 8:35 pmOne Florida police organization has said it will re-hire those very officers accused of misconduct, and that offer is prompting outrage.
The city of Culver City hired fired officer Timothy Wind, who was acquitted in the Rodney King beating, as a “community service officer.” Much like they want to have replace the cops in Minneapolis.
Wind left in 2000 to attend law school.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-08-26-me-31275-story.html
An interesting where are they now…
https://www.businessinsider.com/ap-key-players-in-the-rodney-king-riots-and-where-they-are-now-2017-4
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 11:03 pmL.A.’s UTLA school union has voted to demand the disbanding of the separate School Police. School board election coming up.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 11:05 pmI thought (prayed actually) that I would never have to live through a year like 1968 again. 2020 is shaping up worse.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/8/2020 @ 11:08 pmhttps://www.lawofficer.com/america-we-are-leaving/
mg (8cbc69) — 6/9/2020 @ 1:59 amvote for puppet biden and kiss your azz and property buh bye
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/06/democrat_cities_fourth_world_scourges.html
mg (8cbc69) — 6/9/2020 @ 2:30 amthanks democrats for creating shiffhole cities
Column: Biden’s response to the George Floyd protests isn’t presidential. He should be tweeting more insults!
nk (1d9030) — 6/9/2020 @ 4:35 amI thought (prayed actually) that I would never have to live through a year like 1968 again. 2020 is shaping up worse.
If we only had Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin again too, instead of Lil’ Wayne and Nikki Minaj. Yesterday, a person of color driving by was playing “All Along The Watchtower” in his motorized boombox. It was a like a breath of fresh air.
nk (1d9030) — 6/9/2020 @ 6:10 amFree Huey!
nk (1d9030) — 6/9/2020 @ 6:20 amTold you! https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/08/army-reverses-course-will-consider-renaming-bases-named-for-confederate-leaders-307594
nk (1d9030) — 6/9/2020 @ 6:31 amL.A.’s UTLA school union has voted to demand the disbanding of the separate School Police. School board election coming up.
If the School Police there is like the School Police in Miami, that’s a good thing.
Kishnevi (65803b) — 6/9/2020 @ 8:08 amThe man in the car with George Floyd (assuming he’s the real one)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/us/politics/george-floyd-witness-maurice-lester-hall.html
Tpday the New York Times reports, George Flyd lived apart (with roommates) from the woman who was the mother of his daughter, but, after he recovered from the coronavirus, began spending a lot more time with her – and at any rate was not regularly sleeping where he officially resided.
That doesn’t mean George Floyd wasn’t seeing another woman too, if the woman in the car was with him and not his friend who also moved from Houston.
Sammy Finkelman (fe9fb2) — 6/9/2020 @ 8:11 amIt seems like George Floyd was friends with people a few years younger than he was. Former NBA basketball player Stephen Jackson, who seems to be the same age as Hall, also knew him.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29241854/stephen-jackson-twin-george-floyd-speaks-rally-police-officer-charged-murder
That makes sense if Chavin didn’t realize he was being recorded.
George Floyd’s family believe it was something personal. Both his family and Stephen Jackson believe this was fully premeditated.
George Floyd played both basketball and football, and had an athletic scholarship to his first college. But something went wrong. They’re not saying. Jackson was considered another George Floyd in Houston, but some years later and this may have been pointed out to George Floyd. Floyd must have started mentoring him. Jackson’s success probably wasn’t so much due to opportunities Floyd didn’t have, but (bad) opportunities Floyd did have. Unless Jackson was also slipping into a drug problem and had an opportunity to get out of it.
Sammy Finkelman (fe9fb2) — 6/9/2020 @ 8:40 amCould be worse. We could have bombings like we did in the 70’s. Such excitement, much wow.
Capsaicin Addict (041266) — 6/9/2020 @ 12:58 pmCBS is running an= 1 hor special on this whole matter
They reported some things yesterday and today about the George Floyd case.
They reported something like this:
The owner of the place where Derek Chauvin worked, which has since been burned down, says that she had problems with him that he was too aggressive. He used pepper spray too much. She was asked about his feelings about blacks and she said he was afraid of them. Afraid and d another word.
A black co-worker says Floyd and Chauvin knew each other and they didn’t get along. Floyd thought he was too aggressive.
Sammy Finkelman (fe9fb2) — 6/9/2020 @ 7:27 pm